What went wrong?
>>736418894reddit
>>736418894Marvel-ficationLost Saturation
>>736418894Doom 3 is better than these unironically
>>736418894I didn't make it.
Redditfication
They recognized they had nowhere else to go after Eternal and they didn't manage to make gameplay systems that are as fun.
THE SLAYA HAS ENTERED THE FACILITY
>>736418894No game company has made 3 ground breaking titles in a row.Doom 2016 was ground-breaking.The other 2 are good sequels.
>>736418894Never thought any game would top gow 2022 for being reddit-coded but DA managed to outdo it.
>>736418894Reddit writing
>>736418912>>736418945/thread
>>736419102lmao
>>736419102>Doom 2016 was ground-breaking.outside of gore kills it was the most vanilla singleplayer shooter ever with nice graphics, Eternal actually improved on the formula
>>7364188942016 is great and Eternal was even better.Dark Ages is merely middling. Probably because it ran like shit on my 3070ti but alas I'm not interested in upgrading at the moment.
>>736418894Turning Doom into an almost turn based game with 3 and later.
>>736418894Dunno I thought Eternal was peak. Excellent music and the gameplay was fast like the OG DOOM.
>>736419403>the gameplay was fast like the OG DOOMYou never played the original gangsta. In fact, I may take a gangster in your mouth for saying that.
>>736419242>BEST E3 EVER!!!>Fallout 76, DMC 5, Halo Infinite, dying light 2 and now this...>Is this heaven??Wow that aged well
>>736419360I have 3060 mobile (6GB) can I hit atleast 60 with 1080p on Dark Ages considering i cant turn off the RT
>>736419507Probably not
>>736419403>Toxotranny>Likes reddit trash
Doom 2016 translated classic doom to a more modern feel, which worked but it became repetitive.Eternal increased the speed and added tactics, that made it far less repetitive but also a lot more exhausting. the downside of eternal was the plot.Didn't play dark ages but it looked like they removed everything that made eternal good and doubled down on everything that made it bad.
>>736419470It was retarded even at the time
>>736418894>eternalAll the fucking platforming, endless fucking jumping every-fucking-where>tdaDragon and mech stages were total shit, and the cutscene length was a pisstake2016 was just one of those games the like of which we won't see again, until we dun do.
>>736419854It's nothing like classic
>>736418894Apparently that they have the balls to make each game play differently is what went wrong according to /v/Because here we just want the same slop with a new coat of paint every time
>>736420084Dark Ages changed for the worse after Eternal changed for the better.
>>736420084because people didnt like boring flat maps, shield parry slop and downgraded music.
>>736420069yes, its translated
>>736420153See you just wanted to play Eternal again
>>736420402I would like to play something better than Eternal.Dark Ages was not better than Eternal.
I downloaded Eternal last week off ps+ to try it out and it tried to force me to make a Bethesda account before I could play. Instantly deleted that shit. Shame because 2016 was p fun
Marvel
>>736418894People loved how Doom 2016 was about a dude ignoring the plot so he could instead focus on killing demons. So they decided to make him ignore the plot even harder so he could kill more demons.You don't get to ignore the plot though, you have to patiently watch on the side how the Doom Slayer is ignoring the plot and not listening to any of the cutscenes.It's the story equivalent of games like Far Cry 3 Blood Dragon going "Don't you just fucking hate long unskippable tutorials? Anyways, here's a lengthy unskippable tutorial you're gonna hate."
>>736420859Dark Ages wasn’t even meta anymore about Slayer ignoring stuff. He just stands there for 90% of cutscenes. Genuinely baffling choices in that game.
Everything must become soulslopBecause soulslop is good right?People are not tired of soulslop, they demand more soulslop, it just has to be done right, even if the official soulslop games are a fucking slogEternal being a huge success? that was a random fluke, you cant count on it, you actually need to go SLOWER. And I mean, S L O W
>>736421171Dark Ages is parryslop though.Eternal is Soulslop because I guess it's more reliant on dodges?
>>736419507Not at all, it's time to upgrade anon. Unfortunately if you really want to be safe with laptops your best bet is probably 5070ti and it can't really be a justified purchase unless you're constantly on the go. Even mobile 5090 is weaker than desktop 5070 so the fall off is insane after 5050 which actually performs better than its desktop variant. You're honestly not missing out on much, for modern standards this is an 8/10 game but like a 4/10 Doom game. I started immediately from Nightmare, ignored the sliders and I truly got the combat loop on mission 16/22 so there is fun to be had but it is definitely easier than any other Doom. I miss when nightmare difficulty actually added interesting gimmicks like in classic Doom and Doom 3, not it's just damage goes up.
>>7364188942016 had a reasonable level of hyping up doomguy but after that it went off the rails. Eternal was really bad about it, just sucking him off the whole time in the same way a teenager would talk about their Cold Steel OC. Also DA's gameplay sucks.
>>736420065>2016 was just one of those games the like of which we won't see again, until we dun do.Doom 4 was a boring slog and only retired boomers will argue otherwise, it has neither the atmosphere or Doom 3 or combat of Eternal. It's a game you pretend to like because your DPS potential is absolutely absurd against mindless enemies and the movement is so slow you don't require any reflexes.
>>736418894The pandering
>>736421248Dark ages is excruciatingly slow and your positioning/movement doesnt matter that muchEternal doesnt have you relying on parry/iframes and you're supposed to actually move out of the way and pay attention to a thousand enemies at once and never fucking stop moving, chaining and comboing all your movement and offensive options at the same time
>>736418894They forgot where they came from
>>736418894TDA should have been so good but they fucked it up with boring setpieces and shoving in more of the cringe reddit lore nobody wanted
>>736419350this is so obvious playing the games back to back it's not even funny. fps fans get a game with a genuinely high skills ceiling and piss their pants because they don't want to improve.
>>736418974that's not a high bar
cuz random indie fps like zortch or quake arcane dimensions rapes every big studio fps, normie dont care and plays arc raiders or whatever instead
I lament to this day the Doom 2016 multiplayer.I thought it was great. But less so the gameplay even, but God-tier level design. Beautiful and interesting
>>736418894>2016Almost kino, but undercooked gameplay with too much emphasis on cinematic kills>Eternaloverdesigned gameplay leading to the start of "simon-says" type of design which I didn't like, also going too far into the "it's a videogame!" anti immersive stuff like exploding rainbows at each kills or floating bing wahoo scenery was sort of shame. Still the better game of the 3 and they had the guts to push the difficulty very high which for an AAA western game deserves a lot of praise>TDAthe worst one yet, extreme garbage and totally uninteresting parry mechanic that they didn't even bother to perfectly balance themselves and instead ask the players to do it ?!?!? fuck you
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>>7364200652016's platforming was even more obnoxious than Eternal's.
>>736422985We meet again.
>cutscene>2 seconds of gameplay>cinematic>finally get to play>half the combat is forcing cinematic QTE killsGames for retards
now that they have milked the DOOM series for 10 years, we can expect a single player Quake right?
>>736423668>single player Quake
>>736418894they made these games for consoles instead of making them pc exclusive
>>736423872a strictly multiplayer Quake will fail again
>>736418894>Doom Eternal was too hard for /v/>/v/ cried and demanded the game be easier>Devs make the sequel easier>/v/ cries about it now being too easy and simplisticWhat drives this behavior?
>>736424216based
>>736419854>the downside of eternal was the plot.I genuinely wonder what happened there. It's such a mess, it's just random shit happening with no rhyme or reason.
>>736424216believe it or not, /v/ isn't one person
2016 and Eternal are ludokino. Their biggest problems were filtering the dadgamers. You see them bitching even on this board about their shot reflexes and inability to adapt to new systems in their old age. In short, they're washed, and they made it the game's fault.
>>736418894>>736418912Reddit in general and Reddit Eternal in specific
>>736424328we are anonymous we are legion
>>736418974Doom 3 is not better than Doom 2016
>>736424323Writers got high off their own farts, and turned fanservice into extreme pandering to the point of obnoxiousness.
>>736418894Reddit aesthetics
>>736418894Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal are some of the best games ever. If you think otherwise you're a contrarian.
>>7364188942016 was a simple game, "here's some guns, there's some demons, you do the math" with maybe 2 story cutscenes and everything else being optional flufeternal comes of as a game made by ppl that were bitter that most players ignored their contribution to the first game so now you have to use certain guns on specific demons unless you want to be fighting against the game as well as the demons and you'll sit down and listen to this "epic story" we've written and you'll like it.also most gameplay additions add little to nothing and would've ended up ignored if it wasn't for the game screeching at you that every tool has a purpose.dark ages just took everything eternal did wrong and doubled down on it.
>>736418912>>736418945>>736418974>>736419058Only boomers think like this.
>>736418894As someone who preferred the classics over nudoom, I was actually pleasantly surprised by how much I enjoyed TDA
I'm ambivalent regarding 2016.I really liked Eternal.I haven't yet played Dark Ages.
>>7364188942016 is great, it's like they went back to Quake and Halo and made them more arcade-like and fast.Eternal is also good, it doubles down on a lot of elements of the first in ways that some people might not like but which are very solidly designed in themselves.Dark Ages is genuinely baffling though. It's like they looked at the two prior games, lauded for eschewing trends and tropes and just delivering a solid and well-considered gameplay experience first and foremost; and decided they needed parries, semi-open-world sections (i.e. filler), cinematic QTE sections, and the fucking Accessibility sliders that invalidate any difficulty setting you choose.Story-wise they really lost the plot with Eternal, and even more so in DA. 2016 had a story, sure, but I think they were self aware enough to know that many players wouldn't care about it and thus kept it kind of minimal (obligatory John Carmack porn analogy)
>>736418894>What went wrong?Dark Ages was not cracked and /v/ couldn't talk about it. that's what's wrong and we all know it.
None of them wasnt fun to play and the artstyle looks like shit.
>>736422961i love it when a game like tda or tlou2 gives me a fuckton of options and asks me to design the game. isn't that the director's or the designers' fucking jobs?
Bloat, adhd and loss of identity amongst EBIN jump the shark shit.
>>7364188942016 was good simple fun. Very painkiller and shadow warrior 2013 inspired, but did it pretty well all things considered.Then Eternal decided to insist upon itself with the overtuned gameplay and attracted the most annoying fans to the franchise. Dark Ages was alright, but also insists upon itself with too much story cutscenes, and gimmicky gameplay sections.
>>736418894Bethesda
>>736429315>Eternal insisted upon itself with uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh basic videogame mechanics like ammo management, air movement, enemy weakpoints, and type weaknessesI'm convinced that boomer shooterfags on /v/ don't actually like videogames
zoomFactually all 3 of those are shit
>>736423394Quake cannot be topped.
>>736429913To be fair, two different types of grenades on cooldowns was too much. They should have shared the same timer at least so you would have had to choose which one to use.
For all the shitposts about Eternal's cooldown systems being supposed casualization, it unironically has some of the hardest CD management of all time, in terms of how much you have to keep track of in combination with the technical/mechanical demands of the rest of the gameplay.
>>736419854>Doom>PlotYou all will bitch about everything dont you?>>736422961The flashy colors was a neccesity in eternal so shit is clearly visible and distinguishable at such high speed gameplay
>>736432021>>Doom>>Plot>You all will bitch about everything dont you??it was bad when 2016 added it, it was worse when eternal double down on it, and i dont know how or why but dark ages quadrupled down on it
>>736420532>and it tried to force me to make a Bethesda account before I could playHave to do the same for Steam. Shame I'll never get to play it.
I think games take too long to develop now to do a by the numbers trilogy anymore. it was pretty obvious to me that 5 years after eternal people had mostly had their fill of that incarnation of doom. unless there's a major reinvention you should stick to a dualogy.
Tried to surf the first person bullet hell trend but droped the spaggethi
>>736431387eternal's cd omanagement is a response to the casualization inherent to 2016. they had to find a way to expand the skill ceiling of the game without making it impossible to play on controller so their solution was an economy minigame.
>>736418894>yay bing bing wahoo!>switching weapons all the time looks cool and totally not idiotic!>magic chainsaw ammo replenish because placing ammo thoughtfully requires level design and that is, like, such a hassle lolManchildren happened.
>>736434559Also>Marvel movie plot lmao
Doom Eternal is an amazing game that is always fun to go back to because killing demons and the flow of the combat feels incredible. I love it, it's a flawed masterpiece.Yes the story sucks, yes it's cringe. It's also amazing at the same time.
>>736429913Look man, It's not a bad game by any means when looked as its own thing. Its just too far removed from what I want out of Doom as an ip.
>>736418894forced gimmick gameplay things
>>736436314more like forced fun
Nothing. All three games are amazing.>t. 36 year old gamer who grew up on shareware doom in the 1990's from the eletronic store shareware bin
Why do you guys hate the story? The lore in new DOOM games is awesome. I love listening to the slayer testaments.Yet you flaming faggots like anime girl romance catgirl dating stories, but not DOOM?The Doom Slayer being blessed by a Seraphim (highest ranking angel) to fight demons in Hell eternally. It's fucking bad ass.https://youtu.be/T5UF6ashzkw?si=_pxVl0qB8052jzrG
>>736420532>>736433424Seems like gog free games just added it. Just pirate it, why buy it when it's not an online game? https://gog-games.to/game/doom_eternal
>>736419631>magatroon is mortal enemies with cats nowI know it takes some special kind of retardation to be in that cult but come on.
>>736418894i tried enjoying the game for what it was, but:no glory killsno mick gordontried chasing sekiro parry trend, but the execution was an abysmal dogshit made for 5 year olds with down syndromemicrosoft shilled game pass with it, since they own bethesda, so i assume a lot of people just rented it there, hence low steam player count for 70$ ~15 hour gamegood gameplay and word of mouth always help games no matter the genre and scale, but when you look at this webm, it's just one of the most retarded things i've ever seenso there
>>736419350And gore kills (among other things) were straight copied from Brutal Doom mod.
Wow, isn't that the badass LE DOOM SLAYA!?!? This is so epic and metal XD! le based dev god Hugo and his butt buddy le Marty want to EXPAND THE DOOM POWA FANTASY, uh, yayah!!! Shut up and take my money lmao :P THE DOOM SLAYA NOW HAS EXPOSED BICEPS OMGG!!!!!, I'm getting really horny!!!! Oh wow all wads are canon... wowow omg that means NUTS.WAD IS CANON OMG SO WACKY AND CUHHHRAZEH OMG DOOM SLAYA FIGHTING FOR AEONS OF TIME UHHHH MMMMM YESSSS THE ANCIENT DEMONS SAVED HIM UHHHH FEELS SO GOOD MMMM LORE EXPOSITION IM FEELIN REAL NICE!!!! MY PENIS HAS BEEN MEGASPHERED UHHHH *looks down at his shrivelled member and grabs it with a swipe from the side like an edgy DOOM SLAYUH cutscene* WOW, WHAT'S THIS?? HE STAYED IN HELL TO FIGHT THE DEMONS LIKE IN DOOM 64?!?!?! HOW BASED CAN ID GET?!! *starts stroking and making epic revenant AHHH meme noises* I-IS THAT A FLOATING QUESITON MARK AND EXTRA LIFE IN MY DOOM GAME, UH YYYYYYYESSSS!!!! *hand turns into a fucking mach 5 piston with iron man colors and a snoo decal* AHHHHHHH OH MY GOD HE IS AN ANCIENT WARRIOR AND LE ANCIENT CIVILIATION ALIENS LE ALIEN QUEEN AND VEGA ROAD TRIP THROUGH SPACE AAAHAAAHAHA IM COOOOOOMING AND CONSOOOOOMING REDDIT-TIER LOOOOOOOOORE!!!!!!!!11111 *wipes cum on doomguy amiibo and strokes 3d printed crucible he made from an r/doom tutorial while waiting out his refractory period by dressing up as doomgirl and posting it for karma then getting hard again because he read an epic marty strapon tweet about how mick gordon is farting into a mic for the third time to score the epic kar en kukold dlc*
EVERY DOOM THREAD UNTUIL IT SHUTS THE FUCK UPDOOM 2016 PROMISED IN THE INTRO THAT THERE WOULD BE NO STORY, BY DOOMGUY DESTRYOING THE GUY TALKING TO HIM IN THE ELEVATORNEXT, THROUGHOUT THE GAME YOU HAVE ROBOT MAN HELL POWER PORTALS TECHNOLOGTY BATTERIES >BUT IT LE DIDNT WORK?!!?!?!?! FAGGOT FUCKING ANTAGONISTIS DOOM 2016 IS JUST AS BAD TO GAMING AS CALL OF DUTY 4 WAS AND IS A DISGUSTING GAME
>>736418894>disruptive progression systems>rule of cool in the gayest ways imaginable, from the story to glory kills>all enemies are basically the same except Marauder and Spirit
>>736419403I agree. However the OP is still valid because we can discuss how Dark ages went so wrong.
>>736425385it's not even boomers, it's 25 year old LARPers pretending like "old game that most people consider decent is actually the best game ever!!"
>>736418894Very little.>2016 injected a much needed boomer shooter into the saturated CODslop market>Eternal was the magnum opus>TDA was a video gameAt least they're not iterating. Hopefully they make another game with a different (or dare I say it, original) IP.
>>736418894Gimmicks took over and faggots latched onto it.
>>736438861Doom has a story. It's just in text and deliberately barebones. 2016 is much the same.>>736436192>bind mwheelup Arbalest>bind mwheeldown Super Shotgun>press a number of your choosing between rolling back and forth between these two>bind le ebin dodge button to shift>bind le ebin double jump to spacebar>bind le ebin GLORY KEEL button to the rest of the keys as you roll your greasy face across the keyboard.Congrats, you just beat the game on nightmare, fuck off and Zoom Returnal to reddit casual faggot
>>7364188942016 > Dark Ages >>> Eternal
>>736438596>no mick gordonits crazy how bad dark ages audio design wasits not just mick gordon, its everything, from ambient sounds to weapon soundsthe worst parts is they removed demon spawn sound, so i died most by getting hit by an enemy that casually spawned behind my backin eternal when demon spawned it was loud with and distracting, and that was the point, to make you know where enemies aredesigners of dark ages clearly didnt understand eternal sound design
