>gaming isn’t considered a real hobby>gaming isn’t considered art>gaming isn’t a real sport >videogame music and writing isn’t on the same level as TV, movies or popular cultureSo what are games then to normal people?
>>736418996Toys.
>>736418996Elaborate toys.
>>736418996toys isnt inaccurate, but i'd say its more a fad that'll eventually pass.
>>736418996>So what are games then to normal people?That's irrelevant. Take a look at the bestsellers and you'll see that, to ordinary people, literature is a big joke. What ordinary people think doesn't matter.
>>736418996gwen
>>736418996Are any of the Ben 10 games good?
>>736418996>>videogame music and writing isn’t on the same level as TV, movies or popular cultureThis is BS btw, FF7 is miles deeper and better than Breaking Bad
>>736418996>gaming isn’t a real hobby>gaming isn’t art>gaming isn’t a real sportAll true
>>736418996>>videogame music and writing isn’t on the same level as TV, movies or popular cultureWhat, this shit is better than that shit? They're both shits. Stop eating it.
>>736418996Electronic toys. And they're right. Videogames are even below tabletop games.
>>736419492>>736419554Are /v/ anons the biggest cucks?
>>736418996I remember when I was young I was trying to learn how to play super Mario world (SNES) music on the piano because it’s catchy and upbeat and I liked it. My parents mocked me incessantly to my face and to my extended family and then asked me why I had stopped practicing the piano.
>>736418996wtf is unc yapping about
>>736419708As much as I love videogames (they're my only hobby) I can't deny they're just glorified toys. It's how things are.
>>736418996A toy for children to play with. Adults should be working.
>>736419834>As much as I love videogamesYou don't. Not every game is tendie slop
>>736418996Art is a buzzword. It used to mean technique, but it lost all it's meaning after the modern art stuff.I talked to lots of art students and art teachers and art academics about the history of art and what it means.it's the primordial buzzword, the buzzest of words. If it FEELS like art, it's art, if they don't personally like it, it's not art. If the artist can poop on a jar and sell it as art, then it's art.I don't know why people waste so much time arguing something that has no meaning at all.
>>736419070>>736419069Probably not because toys can also be a hobby, whether it be collecting them or even playing with them.Games are probably nothing to normal people.
>>736420085Yesterday I started Space Marine 2. That game is "if you press this button bald soldier man shoots evil angry aliens". And the day before I finished playing the Fatal Frame 2 remake which is "if you press this button scared girl shoots evil angry ghosts". Neither of those sound like media but they do sound like someone playing with a toy. You can't deny what video games are: toys.
>>736420352Disco Elysium is my favorite toy
>>736420421Lol
>>736418996Old talking point that doesn't matter.
Gamers let others outside their own hobby dictate how they should think or feel. What else is new?
>>736419156>its more a fad that'll eventually pass.Games have existed as long as civilization has. Why do you people hate video games so much that you're willing to spout absolutely brain damaged gorilla nigger retardation of all time in order to justify your hatred?
>>736420686It doesn't mater but it isn't old.
>>736420168Think it's really just about "artists" having a huge ego and wanting to be taken too seriously, or wanting to make it "marketable".In reality, it's fairly easy to define art: a product of self-expression. Whether this is socially appropriate, serious, expresses some technical mastery or it can be sold, all of those are completely accidental at best, and harmful to the self-expression at worst.
fuck being serious
>>736418996>real hobby
>>736421147>Games have existed as long as civilization hasTABLETOP games, not videogames. Videogames are indeed a fad that is already dying, lasting only a few decades; spit in the wind.
>>736418996>>736419069>>736419492>>736419853you're a retard if you listen to what retards have to say and live by their conjectures and lies
>>736421497retard
>>736421497>in a decade people will stop putting tabletops inside a videolel
>>736418996Narrative created by boomers who weren't able to figure vidya out and felt alienated and estranged by their kids who picked it up.Vidya is mainstream now. The normies bust out their phones to play clash of clans or fucking bloons. We're officially hipsters scoffing at them joining late and having poor taste.America has a very hard resistance to things that are "for kids." It's the reason we can almost never make serious animation, it always has to be grossly satirical or obviously for children. Other countries do not have this issue with animation or vidya.
>>736421497Alright, Shakespeare was just a fad, like novels. Videogames are the final definition of a total work of art: Music, Direction, Prose. You have the astraction of literature and the strength of cinema, but you're not limited by the 2 hours of a movie.
>>736421621Yes. Videogames were such a vapid fad they were desplaced by Tiktok and youtube shorts.
>>736421497Videogames have existed since the 70s. They are older than you and predate your shitposting career and dysgenic existence.
>>736418996>So what are games then to normal people?video gamesnormal people don’t view movies or tv shows as art either, just so you know >isn’t a real sportobviously, science olympiad isn’t considered a sport either
>>736418996define >normal peoplebecause there is no normality in this world to be honest, you mean the overall herd that is shaped by various fads?
>>736421658Always wondered what's the psychology behind Americans fearing anything that has to do with youth and sincerity, and is especially willing to attack other countries such as Japan over it. Anecdotal evidence suggests this is basically shadow rejection and projection, while the rest of the world integrated it in their culture one way or the other in more healthy ways.
>>736418996>>736419216genuinely surprised the thread stayed on topic with this OP pic/v/ is getting better
>>736421730>Videogames have existed since the 70sAnd will fade into nothingness beyond a historical curiosity by the early 2030's 60 years is nothing.Meanwhile as long as human beings exist they will feel the need to test their skill and luck against each other using die, cards and minis.
>>736422006you can't use dice or cards if you cannot read or count. tabletop games end with gen alpha.
>>736422006AI generated video games will save us
>>736421317Call self expression self expression since you just admit it has nothing to do with art
>>736418996>>gaming isn’t considered a real hobbyWrong>>gaming isn’t considered artRight>>gaming isn’t a real sport Right>>videogame music and writing isn’t on the same level as TV, movies or popular cultureWrong
>>736422175we're doomed
>So what are games then to normal people?Slop
>>736422240no its simply the next step in video game evolution
>>736422209But I believe this is the actual core of "Art".People just confuse the process for the product, thinking it's about refining technique over actually having something to express through it.
>>736422283we're so fucking doomed...
>>736421497>Videogames are indeed a fad that is already dyingLOL
>>736418996>gaming isn’t a real sportCorrect
>>736418996>what are games then to normal people?Who cares?
>>736419430FFVII is no longer a story about anything. It's now just a product for people who want to see the characters waved around in front of their eyes in a consequence free world that goes on forever and ever like the MCU.
>>736423958>tfw no gwen-like gf
>>736420168>Art is a buzzword "Art" is about the transcendental: you can be a technically competent draftsman who cranks out well-rendwred furry inflation porn 24/7, but don't dare call yourself an artist or I'll find you and break your legs.The Sistine Chapel is Art; Banksy is activist faggotry at the end of a can of spray paint.
>>736424012yeah, that's true
>>736420194I don't think normal people see playing with toys as a hobby any different than games as a hobby. No one's out there defending playing with childrens' toys as an artform.
>>736424012Correct. I loved FFVII when I was younger: the world, the music. I even loved the quaint, blocky graphics.Anything after the original is licensed fanfiction, and it's all garbage.
Xers, the anti gaming psyop is working right? It IS working, right?Tbh I'm not sure anyone is engaging but our discord...
>>736424242The Sistine Chapel is the definition of ability over soul
>>736418996An investment pit
>>736418996>>gaming isn’t considered artWasn't this just about censorship? Games were under fire for violence, racism, etc. while the US government was trying to push pro-war messaging. People responded that vidya deserved freedom of expression as an art form and that feminists and glowniggers could suck dick.
We all know why you're here.
sex with Gwen
>>736424428It reaches beyond the merely human to something ineffable. Notre Dame is Art, even though it was the work of generations of labourers, and not a single Artist.This isn't a debate: capital A "Art" needs to aim for something higher. Whatever the background to the completion of the Sistine Chapel, the subject matter combined with its execution, and how it's endured, make it Art.
>>736422098>>736421682youtube/tiktok is a Video service.As long as Video exists, someone will think to put the dice, cards inside the Video. Backgammon in a phone, etc. It is now a video game.
>>736424842And it's completely soulless. It's the vidya equivalent of The Last of Us 2.
>>736418996Gwen's hairless pussy (˶´ཀ`˶)
What do Gwen and Raven have in common?They both love having their assholes stretched by family members with big red cocks
>>736421887trying real hard to sound like a philosopher not realizing 'normal' distributions exist and describe what you just wrote about
>>736424681Nobody believes in freedom of expression. Even /v/ the self admitted champions of esoteric hobbies and niche interests wants everything censored and only catering to them and them alone.
>>736425001>NobodyI do
>>736425001>he fell for the glowie psyops
>>736424964You are watching the dunning kruger effect at play. All of there retards think their opinions are absolute.
>>736425084>>736424964they think so called normal people are absolutely normal
>>736425084retard smartass bitchass bitch, fuck your opinion too
>>736425001Leftists want video games to be overtly propagandized, and they can't help but see anything other then their own vision as "censorship".Both of those retards can all fuck off as far as I'm concerned, but it's a 99-1 complaint you're making.
Gwen supremacy
>>736425001I disagree. /v/'s consensus is that there should be games of all kinds. Even when they make games for nobody /v/ will celebrate a new Concord-like.
>>736425250GRUG BIG MAD.
>>736425001There's a difference between "not wanting expression" and "I'm not going to buy your purely propaganda game." Make all the "Relooted's" you want. But when you decide you want to make a profit, I'll await you making a big titty anime girls game. Because that's how a market works.
>>736425396yes and I'm letting it all out
Lefties give themselves away, because the way they see it, if it can't be co-opted to shit they narrative, it's not "art" and should be downplayed.
>>736418996Games can stand for themselves, they don't need to be something else or to parasite something else's fame and respect.
Finally a great thread.
Basicly reruns of movies on TV. They sit down and mindlessly consume it because it because theres nothing better on. Its why the casuals cannot commit or even bother playing games more than few times, they treat games like something your not supposed to waste time on.
How does Gwen do it?
Women will spend 4 hours on instagram/tiktok then get mad if they see a man play games for 15 minutes
>>736420848>GamersNo>Game devsYes. The biggest cücks on Earth
>>736419853“Just be a goy slave.”/v/ anons are actual cucks who sit in hotel chairs jesus christ.
Nobody cares what normalniggers think, fuck off.videogames
>>736418996Wait, was there actually a Ben-10 game?
>>736426743Change "normalfags" to "women" and I agree
>>736422006>by the early 2030'sEven if you believe video games will one day disappear, this is delusional. The VG industry is bigger than the music and movie industry put together, it is not going to just disappear in less than 10 years.
>not on the same level as TV or moviesgood because they're dying mediums, only old grandpas would say stupid shit like that
>>736425001I do. As long as you're not hurting anybody against their will, do whatever you want. If you're trying to feel out the collective will of groups, you're on a fool's errand, because you'll find they believe in everything and nothing simultaneously.
>>736427010I played one back in the day but all I remember of it was the guy going "better red than dead" repeatedly
A Gesamtkunstwerk (German: [ɡəˈzamtˌkʊnstvɛʁk] , 'total work of art',[1] 'ideal work of art',[2] 'universal artwork',[3] 'synthesis of the arts', 'comprehensive artwork', or 'all-embracing art form') is a work of art that makes use of all or many art forms or strives to do so. The term is a German loanword accepted in English as a term in aesthetics.
>>736427070But it's not just women. Normalfaggotry doesn't discriminate.The higher point is that yes, most people are sheep, and yes they intentionally seek somebody to tell them what to think and feel even if you give them total freedom. The condition isn't as imposed by an all-powerful cabal as much it's actually sought after by the masses. Arguably though, there are genuine attempts at keeping it this way instead of reducing the number of people with shockingly low degree of individuation.
>>736427296>licensed game repeats the same 3 audio clips ad nauseamtale as old as time
>>736419853Shalom!
>>736423958hnngg if i don’t get to see those hips I’ll die, sauce nao
>>736427694pretty sure that's gnsisir
>>736427010Every popular piece of media has a game. Now the real question is if its something thats actually fun to play like Xmen Origins or King Kong or shit like other licensed games.
>>736427694Gnsisirhttps://litter.catbox.moe/xl8t41.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/wgbbh5.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/8rtnli.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/jzkrkc.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/ksbtkd.png
>>736428037based
>>736427894>Every popular piece of media has a game.Not really. Especially when it comes to Cartoon Network properties. They are a sea of unrealized potential. Sometimes given to a low bidder, but other times overlooked completely.
>>736428160Have some more https://litter.catbox.moe/uh8v4f.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/z9www1.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/ube2uj.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/v19eca.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/w5mfuc.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/b502vk.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/u1q9nl.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/em15zi.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/buyj0k.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/ru5ul1.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/m37xs7.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/cyui2v.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/p5l1vz.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/p8basj.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/kocdtu.png
>>736428267Off the top of my head Powerpuff Girls, Dexters Lab, Johnny Bravo, Samurai Jack, Teen Titans 2003, ATLA, Spongebob, Kim Possible, American Dragon, Men in Black, Proud Family, Ghostbusters, Fosters, Ben 10 have games. Some of it might be shovelware or handheld trash.
Gwen hugs
>Female character is le angry all the timeWhy is this trope so common?
>>736430158Have you never met a female before?
>>736421658>America has a very hard resistance to things that are "for kids." It's the reason we can almost never make serious animation, it always has to be grossly satirical or obviously for children.It's less that, and more that anyone who wants to do something "serious" is incentivized to make it live action instead. Animation was never really respected in America the same way Cinema was.
>>736421294saucy we know you turned 21 recently but yeah it is an old talking point, just because you recently heard it does not make it new
>>736422231Wrong? Yes you are, games are art. Sorry you had to find out like this. I accept your concession sub 40.
>>736430605Yeah American animation is just for kids, even shit like Family Guy or Rick & Morty are just for edgy kids, the only adult cartoon i know it's Bojack Horseman
>>736430158They’re angry because you aren’t turning their life into a nuclear family home.
>>736428639Who wants to see the grandpa fuck her tho
>>736421939I, too, like to make up bullshit and ask how could it be on a anonymous image board.
>>736432317But that actually happens, far too often.The only thing that's questionable is how well the rest of the world actually deals with it.
>>736428037max fits in her best
>>736431496Brown porn addicts.
>>736432425I'm gonna need examples. anon. I'm not even going to ask for evidence, just narrate a situation you have witnessed.
>>736420848This. I will play Terraria and Mario and Armored Core and other "childish toys" and the world will simply have to seethe.
>>736418996
>>736421497>Tennis for Two, created in 1958 by physicist William Higinbotham at Brookhaven National Laboratory, is widely considered the first video game designed specifically for entertainment rather than research.See you in a another 70 years faggot. And games are the perfect amalgam of art, science, and logic btw; it's the most advanced form of art we currently have.
>>736431195Archer tried. The writing got less funny as the seasons went on, but even then it's all just comedy with no attempt to take itself seriously.
>>736432589Just mentioned one right there, let's compare it to Japan to make it as obvious as possible>japanese see cuteness as a more universal thing, mutts have done shit like the angry Kirby cover artworks >japanese characters are overly sincere, emotional, expressive, 0 irony and mutts do the very opposite with overly sarcastic and ironic depictions>japan attitude over "underage" characters VS mutts getting worked over the sexy pixels being too young
>>736431353>my waifu fell for government propaganda designed to abolish extended families, make inheritance and property retention much harder, funnel the elderly away from their homes, and reduce local-community power among families
>>736421682Digital gambling is still a video game, just a very bad one.
>>736433017Hey buddy, she's MY waifu, got it?
>>736418996>what are games then to normal people?To the retarded, it's an ick, just something unnatural that repulses women. Nothing more, nothing less.Objectively, games are great art, a hobby, an actual sport, and superior to tv and movies.
>>736433017Most people don't really know what "nuclear family" actually means and think it means traditional family structure.
>>736420168Because criminals can use it to launder a lot of money very easily, next question
>>736418996What are games? What the fuck ado you think they are? GAMES. That’s all they need to be, man.Tabletop games and court games had staying power because there was less to do, cultural and social pressure, and just because they were easy to set up. Video games are heavily contingent upon technology that is still rapidly evolving, so it’s easy to see it as a fad when games release as recently as the 2010s fade from memory. You need to see video games as being like cars. Cars will remain popular for at least another two centuries, but there’s new models released every year. Same thing. Because devs are always trying to either improve on formulas or disrupt them. Technology only made 3D first person shooters viable starting in the early 90s. A century from now, people won’t know what the fuck Doom or Unreal Tournament or Counterstrike or Call of Duty or Battlefield are, but they’re still going to be playing first person shooters.
>>736419708This board is shared with people who just have a casual interest in the video games
>>736419069so are roller coastersfucking awesome
>>736431496>Who wants to see the grandpa fuck her thoben 10 came out 21 years ago you’re supposed to self insert as grandpa
>>736418996>videogame music and writing isn’t on the same level as TV, movies or popular cultureModern video game music easily eclipses music for tv and movies. You cant hum a theme from any movie made after like 2014
>>736432987The only good adult animated cartoon from the 21st century that isn’t irony poisoned and doesnt treat its audience like nitwits, was pic related and it got cancelled for not churning out a season a year and being too niche.
>>736421497>Videogames are indeed a fad that is already dying
