>Miyazaki-san, please look at this wonderful performance this VA did for the questline of Kale. It has so much passion and emotion behind it, and since it intricately relates to a fundamental aspect of the game's lore, do I have your blessing to add it to the gameNO WHITE PIGGU, YOU CUT!>Ah... Well, Miyazaki-san, how about this questline with Asimi, that helps to provide some context for the Nox and Marika, as well as directly relating to the single best summon in the game. It's well acted and has a satisfying conclusion and-BAKA WHITE PIGGU, YOU CUT!>As you say... What about this painstaking animation that was made for the demigod considered to be the most powerful in the world of Elden Ring, that shows him building a sapling out of his blood that would eventually become the Haligtree dungeon, as you can see it's beautiful and-YOU CUT! HAKUCHI WHITE PIGGU YOU CUT!
>>736435570If it was cut, there was a good reason>haligtree saplingBecame the Heart of Aeonia itself which Malenia creates to enable Miquella's ascension (flipping the roles). None of the "cuts" in these games ever alter the story at all, because Fromsoftware worldbuilding for each game always revolves around set concepts and metaphysics.If anything that cutscene proves the Battle of Aeonia was used for Miquella's rebirth, so it further fucks cut-content fags and anti-SOTE fags in the ass
>>736435798>None of the "cuts" in these games ever alter the story at allThe story was altered with a day one patch.
based, lorefags are turbo gaylords
>>736435869No it wasn't. There can be very minor changes and it's always hilarious hpw they never actually have any different implications or deviations from the narrative and story>>Miyazaki-san, please look at this wonderful performance this VA did for the questline of Kale. It has so much passion and emotion behind it, and since it intricately relates to a fundamental aspect of the game's lorePointless with Hyetta, the cultists and the grapes which also better contextualizes how grace works and how the flame of frwnzy is just burning corrupted grace, like Hyetta is a corrupted kindling maiden. Also important to contextualize how kindling maidens burn grace (both for the level up and for Melina to burn the Tree), later shown with Golden Vow and the golden flame "bracers" in the DLC>>Ah... Well, Miyazaki-san, how about this questline with Asimi, that helps to provide some context for the Nox and Marika, as well as directly relating to the single best summon in the game. Pointless with the D brothers, which better connects the creation of silver tears and merging souls and connects it to Fundamentalism>>As you say... What about this painstaking animation that was made for the demigod considered to be the most powerful in the world of Elden Ring, that shows him building a sapling out of his blood that would eventually become the Haligtree dungeon, as you can see it's beautiful andPointless with the DLC. Plus Malenia blooms into Godhood with a Scarlet Aeonia and remains a flower, leaving her side of the story effectively unaltered.None of those chances hide or alter story about the game, they arguably give far more background
>Miquella uses his blood (and the one of those countless buried in the catacomb under the Haligtree foundation) to create a Crucible sprout >Then has the player claim spirits to the Haligtree and fight Malenia until she blooms when struck and that makes the Crucible sapling sprout>>HOLY SHIT BEST STORY EVER MIYAZAKI WHY DID YOU CUT IT NOOOOO>Miquella uses his blood (and the one of those countless harvested by bloody fingers in the Moghwyn palace) to create a Crucible sprout >Then he has Malenia make it bloom by siphoning life with scarlet rot after she fights to the death Radahn>THIS IS AWFUL WRITING MIYAZAKI RUINED THE STORY SOTE IS BAD BAD BAD
>>736435570see, this is the stuff they should put back in on post release as DLC. but they didn't. I think it's stupid, I think they should have put it in completed afterwards at least, and that they should have actually gone and completed the game. but they didn't. Japanese are very stubborn, and once they feel something is completed and matches their vision, that's it. they will absolutely refuse to change it, and their fans will support them in this. It's a cultural thing. That's why I am at least happy there are mods to fill in the blanks that they refuse to. If you want a Japanese company to make a game, you're going to get Japanese work culture too. The same as any other company.
>>736436235From cultists are the video game equivalent of qanon believers. From can put out anything, it can be the most incoherent slop that has exactly the same themes as their last five games, it can cut the best content, and they will slurp it all up and feel proud of it. There is no evidence that can dissuade them, no worldbuilding too shoddy for them to ever question it.
>>736437118They cut it because they didn't want it in game, why would they put it>>736437151See>>736437041
>>736435798The cut line where Miq says things either good or ill will flourish changes the perception of his character.
>>736437118>Japanese are very stubborn, and once they feel something is completed and matches their vision, that's it. they will absolutely refuse to change it, and their fans will support them in this.The Japanese correctly disliked the Elden Ring DLC though.
>>736437215That's exactly what I just said in my post did you not read it? I clarified that I personally thought it was a poor choice, and I wish it would have been put back in. possibly by mods, but I also understand that the Japanese culturally don't think like that. especially not in things that are considered art forms like video games.
>>736437242No it doesn't
>>736437280well a little under half of them did according to that metric if I'm reading it right. do you have any records of them commenting about how the cut parts should be put back into the game? I wonder if they feel the same, the Japanese player base.
>>736437316Yes it does, because in the base game he seems an benevolent character, looking to cure his sister's rot with unalloyed gold. But his Haligtree was planted in a manner to magnify what was already present, whether good or ill. Not meant to remove or expunge corruption or rot.
>>736435798TRVKE>>736435570Your shitpost really doesn't hold water, because as recently as the Elden Ring DLC, Igon's VA said in an interview that Miyazaki is personally present at recordings and is super particular about the performance. So as that anon said, if something is cut it's for a reason, because overall he very much does care.
>>736437041Kek it's hilarious how it actually proves lorechads correct that Miquella's Godhood and the Battle of Aeonia/Kidnapping were always planned. The Battle of Aeonia is literally an extended version of Miquella's base game questline 1:1>>736437280Gooks, Japs and Slavs getting filtered only speaks highly of it
>>736437378From what I have seen from Japanese comments at the time the feeling seemed to be that Miquella was built up as a mastermind and ended up being a sissy hypno retard. Even loretubers like Vaati basically made one obligatory video and moved on, clearly they knew it was shit and didn't want to focus on it more than they had to.
>>736437470nta but I don't agree with you at all. I think they should have allowed mods to put those things back, any content should be included. Just cutting stuff frivolously like that is in poor form.
>>736437528You know someone is laughing when they have to start every post by reminding you that they think people disagreeing with them is hilarious.
>>736437540understandable. I love Elden Ring, and it's one of my favorite games that I still play to this day. especially with the convergence mod. unfortunately, it's very clear that there was some serious shortfalls in the development. I think an open world was too much work and scope for that team and leadership, and judging from how the DLC ended, it seems they wanted to be quite done with it all.
>>736437587NTA but maybe he changed his mind and felt that the merchant arc portrayed them and Kale in too bad a light, being totally focused on revenge.
>>736437687perhaps so, I'm not sure if they were able to pry out his reasoning for choosing some of the decisions he did, like removing all of that stuff with Melania being your friend or whatever, but it was his choice to make after all. in the end I just wanted more to do with the characters. I hope at some point they release a Fromsoft game creator to let everyone make their own Souls game. that would be so sick. I'm sure the community would produce someone that would challenge even Miyazaki.
>>736437470The proof is in the pudding. AC6 is a remarkable coherent and complete narrative, and nobody thinks it would be better if you cut out 90% of the dialogue and just tried to make it into a bunch of cryptic bullshit. That game was also not directed by Miyazaki.The reason why all Souls games feel this way, why they all have troubled development where countless resources are wasted, why the stories always feel like shoddy garbage, is because Miyazaki is bad at storytelling.
>>736437874Well yeah, it's not a priority for him. To this day everyone knows the story about how his stories are the way they are because he tries to get across his memories of reading fantasy books in English and only understood a fraction of it. And how the co-op is the way it is because he got stuck in snowy traffic once and people helped each other out, then never saw each other again.
>>736438053He has maybe two or three ideas that he just repeats over and over again. You can get the best of what he has to offer by just playing Demon's Souls and stopping there.
>>736437436>He wants to heal rot>But also he doesn't want toYeah I'm thinking you are schizophrenic.Miquella wants a tree that beckons all souls to his Order, without exclusion and restiction. He wants a system that trascends Grace and hates the system Marika implements. This is consistent across every """version""" of the game because Miquella remains the exact same character. He wants to offer rebirth to the Albinaurics, who lacks grace and divine descendance, accepts Misbegotten who can't imbibe the amber of the Erdtree. Miquella always has the goal of replacing the Erdtree and renouncing the grace of gold (which is why his spells are light, not gold, amsimilar to the era before Marika), the Unalloyed Gold is nothing more than Light, as the game itself call it with various spells, with Miquella's DLC stuff and with the Sword of Light, before Marika bastardized it with the creation of Gold. He sees in that Gold the imperfection of the current system. Malenia's rot is just the motive behind questioning it all.
>>736437874>AC6 is a remarkable coherent and complete narrativeLol>Wasn't directed by MiyazakiI can tell because it fucking sucked>Walter and Rusty just dueoffscreen in the "true" ending and Allmind attacks for no reason>Gay ass anime moment of screaming that gives magical power and sudden jump of the shark >>736437528Makes it even more clear because it more closely resembles Siluria's spear
Is this the fanfiction thread?
>>736435570Some anon said it'd be fun to start a silly lore iceberg. Give me your favorite schizopost recommendations.
>>736438568I can't wait to see Patches kick me into a pit for the twentieth time in the next Miyazaki game. It gets better every time!
>>736436235>There can be very minor changes and it's always hilarious hpw they never actually have any different implications or deviations from the narrative and storyThe Nox were called Empyreans before the day 1 patch. This was repeated with the Hornsent before that early patch.
>>736438167The gameplay of Demon's Souls is dogshit compared to Elden Ring.
>>736438719that guy who started a lawsuit against from soft saying they were hiding the actual game behind some kind of Japanese only wall was amazing. imagine if it was true, that they only allowed their fellow Japanese to play The superior version of their games as some kind of revenge for the nuclear bombings. I could actually see that happening, just some form of generational spite. Just a funny little fantasy of mine lol>>736438185imagine milking Miquilla's prostate and then calmly brushing through his yards of hair every morning while you two share tea and watch the sunrise.
>another fromschlop extremely low quality thread
>>736437041Genuinely you're on an advanced level of lore schizoposting.I'm stealing this.
>>736437436Miquella's entire scheme was to cover all under his aegis, whether they be accepted by the current dogma or not. That stayed the same, even after the DLC when he becomes a villain, he is still one that views all equally.
I wish they would have kept redan as his OP form at the end of the game. It was a nice send-off to just shit on the player like that. especially if they spent all the time min-maxing their stats and gear.
>>736438804>The Nox were called Empyreans before the day 1 patch. No, the Nox royalty was in fact Empyreans, and they are in fact numen, and the game still states they are kin of Marika through the Black Knives. The Nox puppets are Marika's kin that transfered their selves into puppets. This link remains in the game, but the game chooses to withhold some info>This was repeated with the Hornsent before that early patch.And that was also correct, in fact, the Hornsent "Empyrean Grandam" is the name of the Grandam that performed invocations on the Empyrean (Marika, which is why she has personal animosity), and does not imply she is an EmpyreanNeither of those were wrong, and they weren't changed because they were wrong, just like turtle neck lore that reproduction stopped happening in the Age of the Erdtree is not wrong either even if cut
>>736439236He doesn't become a villain in the DLC, the player just opposes him for no real reason.
>>736437874AC6 story fucking sucks if that's your bar for a good story you are fucked in the head>Hey buddy, remember me, we fought for 2 mins at Operation WallclimberOverall a very safe and disappointing game and the story is par the course.You are right it doesn't feel like a Miyazaki story despite including a lot of fantasy/souls tropes Nu-Marathon feels a lot more as if Miyazaki wrote a sci-fi game than Armored Core 6. I wonder if how similar the Duskbloods will be to that
>>736435570You know From is a Japanese company right? It's not Miyazaki bossing around a load of white people.
>>736439859Armored Core 6 is good because it feels like Miyazaki had nothing to do with it.
>>736439621He wants to remove the grace of Gold and implement an Order of Light that allows him to use all the same exact manipulation and mind control the Fingers could also use. The way Marika spread her faith and the Fingers used manipulation (like how they compelled all in the Lands Between to hunt the Tarnished, sew the Fingers spell) was evil, and now that the Grace of Gold has faded from most eyes and is weak enough to be defied Miquella wants to impose his own will through that same power , under the vague promise that he will be the good pastor leading his flock. But he already used his powers to beckon sacrifices and force aggression, so yeah, he is the villain in a typical free will vs "supposed" benevolent tyrant storyIf you want a Miquella that is good Goldmask is that, he can do Light cogitations through Fundamentalism but uses that to create an Order that reaches oit towards other Stars, the exact opposite of binding all Souls to an Order controlled by a God
>>736439539The name in the game data for the Hornsent is Empyrean, the 'Grandam' was not the 'Grandam to the Empyreans', but the 'Grandam of the Empyreans'>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UUEkHdcnlIIt was a collective term for the entire race. Given that the term Empyrean was totally scrubbed with regard to the Nox, I don't think your interpretation fits.
>>736439621He is a heartless, sightless, and loveless deity that knows no sense of doubt or fear regarding his actions. That is literally the most evil thing imaginable. Miquella wanted to avoid becoming his mother and turned himself into something worse.
>>736435570If white people were actually involved they would've asked Miyazaki to make Melina a black girlboss with an afro and add explicit gay sex scenes with every male NPC
>FUCK THAT SHIT>RELEASE THE GAME NOW AIIIEbamco probably
>>736440568>That is literally the most evil thing imaginable.
>>736440716Weird how this didn't effect AC6 in the slightest and that game feels complete and coherent.
>>736440479>The name in the game data for the Hornsent is EmpyreanNo they don't actually>the 'Grandam' was not the 'Grandam to the Empyreans', but the 'Grandam of the Empyreans' Yeah it was the Grandam of Marika in this case. They serve a Goddess with invocations exactly like Maidensdo and like the ancient shamanic rituals imply with the festival of the Dominula Village maidens, where a maiden is chosen as Goddess-like figure and maidens recite prayers for her to ascend. The Hornsent do the exact same thing with Miquella.>Nonsensical video that jumps at the most insane conclusions off not even an in game filename but a script event>Same video says that Messmer Crusade started after Marika became Goddess (factually wrong)Yeah I'm not even watching past that, Zullie the Trans
>>736437470No one doubts Mitsubishi is doing it for a reason, it's just not always a good reason.
>>736441036If there's one game that is actually rushed as fuck and with a stupidly barebones story that rushes through events that's AC6>Do 3 missions>Wow you are getting famous 621
>>736435570>make shitty 3d rpg>43IQ westoids think its a ragegame about roll button simon says>accidentally sell 30 gazillion copies>spend the next 2 decades selling the exact same game with a new texture packHe is a god
>>736440479The lore in that video is completely wrong, so why do you assume he is correctly interpreting whatever is that he has found in the files?
>>736435570I'm sorry you got this schizo >>736435798 for your first reply, but why do you think a white person wrote all of these questlines?Also, to the schizo, how the heck do you think the literal Haligtree became the center of a swamp that existed as the crater of the Scarlet Aeonia when the literal Haligtree exists in the game in a grown state as a legacy dungeon?
>>736437151You're talking to the hyper schizo who tries to supplant the facts in the game, including the clear-cut facts, with his delusions. The guy is claiming the Haligtree somehow quit being the Haligtree when we literally see the colossal Haligtree and walk across its branches in the game itself.
>>736440147A video from their office had lots of white devs, actually.
>>736435570why do third worlders feel like they're entitled to cut content
>>736435798Fromsoftdrones are MIGAtards of videogames.
>>736441210>Same video says that Messmer Crusade started after Marika became Goddess (factually wrong)When did it start then? Messmer knew Radahn in his youth, that was long after Marika became Goddess, and it doesn't look like he could come back to the Lands Between once the crusade started.
>>736435570Miyazaki is literally a gay pedophile
>>736439236>even after the DLC when he becomes a villain,He didn't become a villain>>736440404>He wants to remove the grace of Gold and implement an Order of Light that allows him to use all the same exact manipulation and mind control the Fingers could also use. To abolish violence and mental illness forever. Why is this bad?>The way Marika spread her faith and the Fingers used manipulationMarika spread her faith through military conquest and genocide. These things are actually bad.>under the vague promise that he will be the good pastor leading his flock.He would be. He even destroyed all the parts of his own mind that could lead him down other paths.>But he already used his powers to beckon sacrifices and force aggression, No, he hasn't, not once.>>736440568>He is a heartless, sightless, and loveless deity that knows no sense of doubt or fear regarding his actions. He got rid of Trina's love, which is biased, personal love. He still feels compassion towards all living things, because he removed from his own soul the ability to feel anything different. He made sure he was perfect, and could only ever be perfect.
>>736443068They are not the same, retard The Heart of the Aeonia is another Crucible created in the same way, with the same sacrifices, but using Malenia's Scarlet Rot and the Battle (besides Miquella hijacking a blood cult which again confirms his kidnapping and Varre's obsession with love and Mohgwyn dynasty were also part of his manipulative plan to harvest blood sacrifices This was already clear but the fact that the original Miquella questline you retards that refuse to accept SOTE lore or understand it keep crying about is literally the same shit, down to again killing Malenia and that causing a Crucible sprout, except taking place within the old Haligtree... that's fucking hilarious, because it proved I was completely right (as always with Souls lore).The cutscene is literally this but smaller, created in the same way except with the player battling Malenia. Come on faggot, go and deny you were wrong all along and call me "schizo" for not being a low IQ mouthbreather that can't into basic contextualization and putting some evidence together.
>>736443903Miyazaki is not the OP
>>736444006>besides Miquella hijacking a blood cultMiquella never once talked to Mohg. Ever. He was in a coma the whole time. The kidnapping was not planned and you should kill yourself.
>>736444442AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
>>736444617He attacked Miquella's comatose body. Miquella's charm activates even when he's not paying attention, which is how Mohg was charmed when he took the sleeping Miquella from his cocoon in the haligtree. Ansbach figured he could kill Miquella before the charm magic rendered him unable to attack. He was incorrect, although he was able to draw blood before the magic took hold, something Leda considers to be an impressive feat. In fact, given the circumstances, it's entirely possible that Ansbach was the only one to physically harm Miquella in his entire life.
>>736443285DEI hires duh
>>736444937>Malenia and Radahn casually battled right above Miquella's accidentally kidnapped cocoon which then sprouted into a Crucible that caused Miquella himself to appear to at least one (Freyja) on the battlefield as well as departing for the Realm of Shadow (where he explicitly thanks Malenia for her contribution to his divine ascension)Yeah sure thing. Faggot
