>Miyazaki-san, please look at this wonderful performance this VA did for the questline of Kale. It has so much passion and emotion behind it, and since it intricately relates to a fundamental aspect of the game's lore, do I have your blessing to add it to the gameNO WHITE PIGGU, YOU CUT!>Ah... Well, Miyazaki-san, how about this questline with Asimi, that helps to provide some context for the Nox and Marika, as well as directly relating to the single best summon in the game. It's well acted and has a satisfying conclusion and-BAKA WHITE PIGGU, YOU CUT!>As you say... What about this painstaking animation that was made for the demigod considered to be the most powerful in the world of Elden Ring, that shows him building a sapling out of his blood that would eventually become the Haligtree dungeon, as you can see it's beautiful and-YOU CUT! HAKUCHI WHITE PIGGU YOU CUT!
>>736435570If it was cut, there was a good reason>haligtree saplingBecame the Heart of Aeonia itself which Malenia creates to enable Miquella's ascension (flipping the roles). None of the "cuts" in these games ever alter the story at all, because Fromsoftware worldbuilding for each game always revolves around set concepts and metaphysics.If anything that cutscene proves the Battle of Aeonia was used for Miquella's rebirth, so it further fucks cut-content fags and anti-SOTE fags in the ass
>>736435798>None of the "cuts" in these games ever alter the story at allThe story was altered with a day one patch.
based, lorefags are turbo gaylords
>>736435869No it wasn't. There can be very minor changes and it's always hilarious hpw they never actually have any different implications or deviations from the narrative and story>>Miyazaki-san, please look at this wonderful performance this VA did for the questline of Kale. It has so much passion and emotion behind it, and since it intricately relates to a fundamental aspect of the game's lorePointless with Hyetta, the cultists and the grapes which also better contextualizes how grace works and how the flame of frwnzy is just burning corrupted grace, like Hyetta is a corrupted kindling maiden. Also important to contextualize how kindling maidens burn grace (both for the level up and for Melina to burn the Tree), later shown with Golden Vow and the golden flame "bracers" in the DLC>>Ah... Well, Miyazaki-san, how about this questline with Asimi, that helps to provide some context for the Nox and Marika, as well as directly relating to the single best summon in the game. Pointless with the D brothers, which better connects the creation of silver tears and merging souls and connects it to Fundamentalism>>As you say... What about this painstaking animation that was made for the demigod considered to be the most powerful in the world of Elden Ring, that shows him building a sapling out of his blood that would eventually become the Haligtree dungeon, as you can see it's beautiful andPointless with the DLC. Plus Malenia blooms into Godhood with a Scarlet Aeonia and remains a flower, leaving her side of the story effectively unaltered.None of those chances hide or alter story about the game, they arguably give far more background
>Miquella uses his blood (and the one of those countless buried in the catacomb under the Haligtree foundation) to create a Crucible sprout >Then has the player claim spirits to the Haligtree and fight Malenia until she blooms when struck and that makes the Crucible sapling sprout>>HOLY SHIT BEST STORY EVER MIYAZAKI WHY DID YOU CUT IT NOOOOO>Miquella uses his blood (and the one of those countless harvested by bloody fingers in the Moghwyn palace) to create a Crucible sprout >Then he has Malenia make it bloom by siphoning life with scarlet rot after she fights to the death Radahn>THIS IS AWFUL WRITING MIYAZAKI RUINED THE STORY SOTE IS BAD BAD BAD
>>736435570see, this is the stuff they should put back in on post release as DLC. but they didn't. I think it's stupid, I think they should have put it in completed afterwards at least, and that they should have actually gone and completed the game. but they didn't. Japanese are very stubborn, and once they feel something is completed and matches their vision, that's it. they will absolutely refuse to change it, and their fans will support them in this. It's a cultural thing. That's why I am at least happy there are mods to fill in the blanks that they refuse to. If you want a Japanese company to make a game, you're going to get Japanese work culture too. The same as any other company.
>>736436235From cultists are the video game equivalent of qanon believers. From can put out anything, it can be the most incoherent slop that has exactly the same themes as their last five games, it can cut the best content, and they will slurp it all up and feel proud of it. There is no evidence that can dissuade them, no worldbuilding too shoddy for them to ever question it.
>>736437118They cut it because they didn't want it in game, why would they put it>>736437151See>>736437041
>>736435798The cut line where Miq says things either good or ill will flourish changes the perception of his character.
>>736437118>Japanese are very stubborn, and once they feel something is completed and matches their vision, that's it. they will absolutely refuse to change it, and their fans will support them in this.The Japanese correctly disliked the Elden Ring DLC though.
>>736437215That's exactly what I just said in my post did you not read it? I clarified that I personally thought it was a poor choice, and I wish it would have been put back in. possibly by mods, but I also understand that the Japanese culturally don't think like that. especially not in things that are considered art forms like video games.
>>736437242No it doesn't
>>736437280well a little under half of them did according to that metric if I'm reading it right. do you have any records of them commenting about how the cut parts should be put back into the game? I wonder if they feel the same, the Japanese player base.
>>736437316Yes it does, because in the base game he seems an benevolent character, looking to cure his sister's rot with unalloyed gold. But his Haligtree was planted in a manner to magnify what was already present, whether good or ill. Not meant to remove or expunge corruption or rot.
>>736435798TRVKE>>736435570Your shitpost really doesn't hold water, because as recently as the Elden Ring DLC, Igon's VA said in an interview that Miyazaki is personally present at recordings and is super particular about the performance. So as that anon said, if something is cut it's for a reason, because overall he very much does care.
>>736437041Kek it's hilarious how it actually proves lorechads correct that Miquella's Godhood and the Battle of Aeonia/Kidnapping were always planned. The Battle of Aeonia is literally an extended version of Miquella's base game questline 1:1>>736437280Gooks, Japs and Slavs getting filtered only speaks highly of it
>>736437378From what I have seen from Japanese comments at the time the feeling seemed to be that Miquella was built up as a mastermind and ended up being a sissy hypno retard. Even loretubers like Vaati basically made one obligatory video and moved on, clearly they knew it was shit and didn't want to focus on it more than they had to.
>>736437470nta but I don't agree with you at all. I think they should have allowed mods to put those things back, any content should be included. Just cutting stuff frivolously like that is in poor form.
>>736437528You know someone is laughing when they have to start every post by reminding you that they think people disagreeing with them is hilarious.
>>736437540understandable. I love Elden Ring, and it's one of my favorite games that I still play to this day. especially with the convergence mod. unfortunately, it's very clear that there was some serious shortfalls in the development. I think an open world was too much work and scope for that team and leadership, and judging from how the DLC ended, it seems they wanted to be quite done with it all.
>>736437587NTA but maybe he changed his mind and felt that the merchant arc portrayed them and Kale in too bad a light, being totally focused on revenge.
>>736437687perhaps so, I'm not sure if they were able to pry out his reasoning for choosing some of the decisions he did, like removing all of that stuff with Melania being your friend or whatever, but it was his choice to make after all. in the end I just wanted more to do with the characters. I hope at some point they release a Fromsoft game creator to let everyone make their own Souls game. that would be so sick. I'm sure the community would produce someone that would challenge even Miyazaki.
>>736437470The proof is in the pudding. AC6 is a remarkable coherent and complete narrative, and nobody thinks it would be better if you cut out 90% of the dialogue and just tried to make it into a bunch of cryptic bullshit. That game was also not directed by Miyazaki.The reason why all Souls games feel this way, why they all have troubled development where countless resources are wasted, why the stories always feel like shoddy garbage, is because Miyazaki is bad at storytelling.
>>736437874Well yeah, it's not a priority for him. To this day everyone knows the story about how his stories are the way they are because he tries to get across his memories of reading fantasy books in English and only understood a fraction of it. And how the co-op is the way it is because he got stuck in snowy traffic once and people helped each other out, then never saw each other again.
>>736438053He has maybe two or three ideas that he just repeats over and over again. You can get the best of what he has to offer by just playing Demon's Souls and stopping there.
>>736437436>He wants to heal rot>But also he doesn't want toYeah I'm thinking you are schizophrenic.Miquella wants a tree that beckons all souls to his Order, without exclusion and restiction. He wants a system that trascends Grace and hates the system Marika implements. This is consistent across every """version""" of the game because Miquella remains the exact same character. He wants to offer rebirth to the Albinaurics, who lacks grace and divine descendance, accepts Misbegotten who can't imbibe the amber of the Erdtree. Miquella always has the goal of replacing the Erdtree and renouncing the grace of gold (which is why his spells are light, not gold, amsimilar to the era before Marika), the Unalloyed Gold is nothing more than Light, as the game itself call it with various spells, with Miquella's DLC stuff and with the Sword of Light, before Marika bastardized it with the creation of Gold. He sees in that Gold the imperfection of the current system. Malenia's rot is just the motive behind questioning it all.
>>736437874>AC6 is a remarkable coherent and complete narrativeLol>Wasn't directed by MiyazakiI can tell because it fucking sucked>Walter and Rusty just dueoffscreen in the "true" ending and Allmind attacks for no reason>Gay ass anime moment of screaming that gives magical power and sudden jump of the shark >>736437528Makes it even more clear because it more closely resembles Siluria's spear
Is this the fanfiction thread?
>>736435570Some anon said it'd be fun to start a silly lore iceberg. Give me your favorite schizopost recommendations.
>>736438568I can't wait to see Patches kick me into a pit for the twentieth time in the next Miyazaki game. It gets better every time!
>>736436235>There can be very minor changes and it's always hilarious hpw they never actually have any different implications or deviations from the narrative and storyThe Nox were called Empyreans before the day 1 patch. This was repeated with the Hornsent before that early patch.
>>736438167The gameplay of Demon's Souls is dogshit compared to Elden Ring.
>>736438719that guy who started a lawsuit against from soft saying they were hiding the actual game behind some kind of Japanese only wall was amazing. imagine if it was true, that they only allowed their fellow Japanese to play The superior version of their games as some kind of revenge for the nuclear bombings. I could actually see that happening, just some form of generational spite. Just a funny little fantasy of mine lol>>736438185imagine milking Miquilla's prostate and then calmly brushing through his yards of hair every morning while you two share tea and watch the sunrise.
>another fromschlop extremely low quality thread
>>736437041Genuinely you're on an advanced level of lore schizoposting.I'm stealing this.
>>736437436Miquella's entire scheme was to cover all under his aegis, whether they be accepted by the current dogma or not. That stayed the same, even after the DLC when he becomes a villain, he is still one that views all equally.
I wish they would have kept redan as his OP form at the end of the game. It was a nice send-off to just shit on the player like that. especially if they spent all the time min-maxing their stats and gear.
>>736438804>The Nox were called Empyreans before the day 1 patch. No, the Nox royalty was in fact Empyreans, and they are in fact numen, and the game still states they are kin of Marika through the Black Knives. The Nox puppets are Marika's kin that transfered their selves into puppets. This link remains in the game, but the game chooses to withhold some info>This was repeated with the Hornsent before that early patch.And that was also correct, in fact, the Hornsent "Empyrean Grandam" is the name of the Grandam that performed invocations on the Empyrean (Marika, which is why she has personal animosity), and does not imply she is an EmpyreanNeither of those were wrong, and they weren't changed because they were wrong, just like turtle neck lore that reproduction stopped happening in the Age of the Erdtree is not wrong either even if cut
>>736439236He doesn't become a villain in the DLC, the player just opposes him for no real reason.
>>736437874AC6 story fucking sucks if that's your bar for a good story you are fucked in the head>Hey buddy, remember me, we fought for 2 mins at Operation WallclimberOverall a very safe and disappointing game and the story is par the course.You are right it doesn't feel like a Miyazaki story despite including a lot of fantasy/souls tropes Nu-Marathon feels a lot more as if Miyazaki wrote a sci-fi game than Armored Core 6. I wonder if how similar the Duskbloods will be to that
>>736435570You know From is a Japanese company right? It's not Miyazaki bossing around a load of white people.
>>736439859Armored Core 6 is good because it feels like Miyazaki had nothing to do with it.
>>736439621He wants to remove the grace of Gold and implement an Order of Light that allows him to use all the same exact manipulation and mind control the Fingers could also use. The way Marika spread her faith and the Fingers used manipulation (like how they compelled all in the Lands Between to hunt the Tarnished, sew the Fingers spell) was evil, and now that the Grace of Gold has faded from most eyes and is weak enough to be defied Miquella wants to impose his own will through that same power , under the vague promise that he will be the good pastor leading his flock. But he already used his powers to beckon sacrifices and force aggression, so yeah, he is the villain in a typical free will vs "supposed" benevolent tyrant storyIf you want a Miquella that is good Goldmask is that, he can do Light cogitations through Fundamentalism but uses that to create an Order that reaches oit towards other Stars, the exact opposite of binding all Souls to an Order controlled by a God
>>736439539The name in the game data for the Hornsent is Empyrean, the 'Grandam' was not the 'Grandam to the Empyreans', but the 'Grandam of the Empyreans'>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UUEkHdcnlIIt was a collective term for the entire race. Given that the term Empyrean was totally scrubbed with regard to the Nox, I don't think your interpretation fits.
>>736439621He is a heartless, sightless, and loveless deity that knows no sense of doubt or fear regarding his actions. That is literally the most evil thing imaginable. Miquella wanted to avoid becoming his mother and turned himself into something worse.
>>736435570If white people were actually involved they would've asked Miyazaki to make Melina a black girlboss with an afro and add explicit gay sex scenes with every male NPC
>FUCK THAT SHIT>RELEASE THE GAME NOW AIIIEbamco probably
>>736440568>That is literally the most evil thing imaginable.
>>736440716Weird how this didn't effect AC6 in the slightest and that game feels complete and coherent.
>>736440479>The name in the game data for the Hornsent is EmpyreanNo they don't actually>the 'Grandam' was not the 'Grandam to the Empyreans', but the 'Grandam of the Empyreans' Yeah it was the Grandam of Marika in this case. They serve a Goddess with invocations exactly like Maidensdo and like the ancient shamanic rituals imply with the festival of the Dominula Village maidens, where a maiden is chosen as Goddess-like figure and maidens recite prayers for her to ascend. The Hornsent do the exact same thing with Miquella.>Nonsensical video that jumps at the most insane conclusions off not even an in game filename but a script event>Same video says that Messmer Crusade started after Marika became Goddess (factually wrong)Yeah I'm not even watching past that, Zullie the Trans
>>736437470No one doubts Mitsubishi is doing it for a reason, it's just not always a good reason.
>>736441036If there's one game that is actually rushed as fuck and with a stupidly barebones story that rushes through events that's AC6>Do 3 missions>Wow you are getting famous 621
>>736435570>make shitty 3d rpg>43IQ westoids think its a ragegame about roll button simon says>accidentally sell 30 gazillion copies>spend the next 2 decades selling the exact same game with a new texture packHe is a god
>>736440479The lore in that video is completely wrong, so why do you assume he is correctly interpreting whatever is that he has found in the files?
>>736435570I'm sorry you got this schizo >>736435798 for your first reply, but why do you think a white person wrote all of these questlines?Also, to the schizo, how the heck do you think the literal Haligtree became the center of a swamp that existed as the crater of the Scarlet Aeonia when the literal Haligtree exists in the game in a grown state as a legacy dungeon?
>>736437151You're talking to the hyper schizo who tries to supplant the facts in the game, including the clear-cut facts, with his delusions. The guy is claiming the Haligtree somehow quit being the Haligtree when we literally see the colossal Haligtree and walk across its branches in the game itself.
>>736440147A video from their office had lots of white devs, actually.
>>736435570why do third worlders feel like they're entitled to cut content
>>736435798Fromsoftdrones are MIGAtards of videogames.
>>736441210>Same video says that Messmer Crusade started after Marika became Goddess (factually wrong)When did it start then? Messmer knew Radahn in his youth, that was long after Marika became Goddess, and it doesn't look like he could come back to the Lands Between once the crusade started.
>>736435570Miyazaki is literally a gay pedophile
>>736439236>even after the DLC when he becomes a villain,He didn't become a villain>>736440404>He wants to remove the grace of Gold and implement an Order of Light that allows him to use all the same exact manipulation and mind control the Fingers could also use. To abolish violence and mental illness forever. Why is this bad?>The way Marika spread her faith and the Fingers used manipulationMarika spread her faith through military conquest and genocide. These things are actually bad.>under the vague promise that he will be the good pastor leading his flock.He would be. He even destroyed all the parts of his own mind that could lead him down other paths.>But he already used his powers to beckon sacrifices and force aggression, No, he hasn't, not once.>>736440568>He is a heartless, sightless, and loveless deity that knows no sense of doubt or fear regarding his actions. He got rid of Trina's love, which is biased, personal love. He still feels compassion towards all living things, because he removed from his own soul the ability to feel anything different. He made sure he was perfect, and could only ever be perfect.
>>736443068They are not the same, retard The Heart of the Aeonia is another Crucible created in the same way, with the same sacrifices, but using Malenia's Scarlet Rot and the Battle (besides Miquella hijacking a blood cult which again confirms his kidnapping and Varre's obsession with love and Mohgwyn dynasty were also part of his manipulative plan to harvest blood sacrifices This was already clear but the fact that the original Miquella questline you retards that refuse to accept SOTE lore or understand it keep crying about is literally the same shit, down to again killing Malenia and that causing a Crucible sprout, except taking place within the old Haligtree... that's fucking hilarious, because it proved I was completely right (as always with Souls lore).The cutscene is literally this but smaller, created in the same way except with the player battling Malenia. Come on faggot, go and deny you were wrong all along and call me "schizo" for not being a low IQ mouthbreather that can't into basic contextualization and putting some evidence together.
>>736443903Miyazaki is not the OP
>>736444006>besides Miquella hijacking a blood cultMiquella never once talked to Mohg. Ever. He was in a coma the whole time. The kidnapping was not planned and you should kill yourself.
>>736444442AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
>>736444617He attacked Miquella's comatose body. Miquella's charm activates even when he's not paying attention, which is how Mohg was charmed when he took the sleeping Miquella from his cocoon in the haligtree. Ansbach figured he could kill Miquella before the charm magic rendered him unable to attack. He was incorrect, although he was able to draw blood before the magic took hold, something Leda considers to be an impressive feat. In fact, given the circumstances, it's entirely possible that Ansbach was the only one to physically harm Miquella in his entire life.
>>736443285DEI hires duh
>>736444937>Malenia and Radahn casually battled right above Miquella's accidentally kidnapped cocoon which then sprouted into a Crucible that caused Miquella himself to appear to at least one (Freyja) on the battlefield as well as departing for the Realm of Shadow (where he explicitly thanks Malenia for her contribution to his divine ascension)Yeah sure thing. Faggot
>>736445323>Malenia and Radahn casually battled right above Miquella's accidentally kidnapped cocoon There is no evidence that Miquella was kidnapped before the scourging of Aeonia. >which then sprouted into a CrucibleIt didn't.>that caused Miquella himself to appear to at least one (Freyja) on the battlefield Miquella/Trina could and did already manifest themselves to random people all over the world in need of aid and comfort. It's also entirely possible Freyja just hallucinated it due to her fever>as well as departing for the Realm of Shadow Malenia tells Radahn he was ALREADY in the realm of shadowThe game also tells us that Miquella never once communicated with Mohg.https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Remembrance+of+the+Blood+Lord
>>736442124The name is the name. I watch Dataminer channels for datamining, not for their own lore interpretations. Getting the OG name for the Hornsent is valuable beyond whatever else the video says.
>>736443953Trina's love was not personal, given that she gave it out freely to all the world's sad and despairing. If anything, Miquella's love was the biased and personal one, given how focused it was around personal relationships.
>>736445773No, datamining is not useful for lore, actually. Because you end up with a lot of references to story points that were dropped or even entirely changed, such as the putrescent knight being related to the gloam eyed queen, for example.
>>736445858>Trina's love was not personal, It is. She has one follower and he tries to murder you when you accidentally cuck him by being able to die and come back to life and thus able to communicate with Trina. Miquella had to get rid of her because she refused to let him sacrifice himself for the world, because she loved him too much, and she asks you to kill him to spare him the fate of eternal servitude and mental bondage. She's not evil but she is a bad influence and was incompatible with the establishment of an order of universal benevolence, because such deep love is intrinsically biased.
>>736441210There is one Hornsent that is loyal to Miquella, only as far as he believes it will help him kill Messmer. The others either don't care about Miquella or are hostile. Scripting labels are a common way to try and track the names given to entities in these games. It'd be the only way to know the names of most things in the games or the history of development cycles.I didn't link the vid for the creator's specific interpretations of the Lore, but instead regarding the objective data they mined up. They can be wrong in everything they intuit from some information, but be right about what the objective information said in the start of things.
>>736440597Jews aren't white
>>736445681>There is no evidence that Miquella was kidnapped before the scourging of Aeonia. Yes there is, because Miquella appeared to Freyja in spirit when the Scarlet Aeonia bloomed and sucked the poison off her wound. Also there's no logical reason as tp why Miquella would get kidnapped after the battle and placed misteriously right under it >The game also tells us that Miquella never once communicated with Mohg. And neither did any of Miquella's fellowship except Leda, who doesn't even have Miquella's rune and under his influence specifically to off allies even slightly perceived as potential enemies (like her old knights). That's not through communication that Miquella spreads his influence. You can find an albinauric with his rune and using his incantation near Mohgwyn Palace and more near the access.
>>736444006There is nothing in Aeonia that links it to the Crucible regarding what lives there or what the inhabitants look like.
>>736444006You're spreading yourself too thin and too early into a thread, schizo. The Haligtree Miquella plants is the same Haligtree that's the legacy dungeon. There is only one Haligtree. There's no "Crucible sprout" either, the Crucible is some kind of current of life energy that was either turned into the Erdtree, channeled into the Erdtree, or was always the Erdtree and the Erdtree was planted to first make life on the planet. The Scarlet Aeonia is completely different and stems entirely from the Scarlet Rot outer god.
>I really needed to see miquella plant the haligtree for me to understand the story Elden Ring hate discord is grasping lmao
>>736446117>because Miquella appeared to Freyja in spirit when the Scarlet Aeonia bloomed and sucked the poison off her wound.That doesn't at all suggest that Miquella's body must have already been in Nokron>Also there's no logical reason as tp why Miquella would get kidnapped after the battle and placed misteriously right under it He could have been kidnapped at any point that Malenia was away, and he was placed there because THAT'S WHERE MOHG'S HOUSE IS>And neither did any of Miquella's fellowship except Leda, Correct! Leda's party had nothing to do with Miquella, they were not part of his plans, and were just incidentally following him out of worship.
>>736446025She has one direct follower because Trina doesn't create a movement, she heals en masse and at random, wherever it is needed. Miquella creates bonds of personal loyalty and fealty. Trina heals the downtrodden without qualification. Miquella had to get rid of her because she's the voice in his head telling him that he is going to fail to achieve his dream and to instead give up and focus on helping people as a Demigod instead of falling to the state of a subhuman deity. Miquella discarded her the same as his heart and eyes and doubt and fear and anything that would set his better judgment and common sense against his ascendancy.
>>736445908Yes, the documented change is the point. I know that Hornsent aren't called Empyreans in the game as it exists. But the point originally was that Empyrean was used as a racial identification twice over during development, as a counterpoint to a claim that there was never any change in FromSoft's lore Bible.
Can't believe FROM hid the fact MIQUELLA planted the haligtree by cutting that cutscene baka how the fuck were we supposed to know???
>>736446056>There is one Hornsent that is loyal to Miquella,No, Enir-Ilim is literally full of them, praying towards the top where Miquella is. This is common practice of invocations as seen with the Ancestral Followers shamans for example.You do realize that by pointing out it translates as "Grandam of Empyrean" you are saying it is equal to "Maiden of the Emperor". It's a transposition of the figure of the Japanese Nai-Shōten, maidens of the Emperor>objective data they mined up. A random flag for an event with a character named Hornsent that reads "Empyrean" is not evidence that he was ever called Empyrean. That flag could have meanteven "talk about Miquella"
>>736446434>She has one direct follower because Trina doesn't create a movement,I wasn't trying to condemn her lack of following, but that the one example that we have goes mad with obsession and possessiveness.>because she's the voice in his head telling him that he is going to fail to achieve his dreamShe didn't say this and doesn't say this. In fact she implies that Miquella would succeed, and only wants you to stop him to prevent him from being locked into a "cage" of divinity. >and focus on helping people as a Demigod He tried, over and over again, and he failed, because he wasn't strong enough.>a subhuman deity. Super human. He erased every part of himself that could lead him to be a bad god, specifically to avoid Marika's failings, which were entirely because she was still fundamentally just a normal human with god powers.>that would set his better judgment and common sense against his ascendancy.There is no evidence at all that what he was doing was a bad idea. Nobody in the entire game OR the DLC even ONCE suggests he was unfit for the role or that he would to a bad job.
>>736446295It's not the Haligtree. The Haligtree is always planted, it's the Aeonian Crucible except it likely didn't exist and the whole Battle of Aeonia probably was missing with it, it was moved from quest to teaser for the DLC
>>736446787>the aoenian crucible lmao ok imo it was the shabibi crucible
>>736435869bitch elden ring literally had unfinished npc questlines on release
>>736446202>There is nothing in Aeonia that links it to the CrucibleYes it does, the Crucible is just a sprouting new treeEven the Lands Between themselves are a Crucible as explained in the Mother of All Crucibles talisman
>>736446787>It's not the Haligtree.It is. It's literally the same fucking tree, watered with his blood, which is exactly how the game says the Haligtree came to be.>it's the Aeonian Crucible There is no "aeonian crucible" and the sapling shown in the cutscene does not even resemble the giant thorn bust that grew over the swamp of Aeonia.
>>736446898The fucking thing in Aeonia is not even a tree, let alone a crucible. It is a giant flowering shrub.
It's actually the Raya Lucarian crucible, because he wants to fug radhan
>>736446583>I know that Hornsent aren't called Empyreans in the game as it exists. They aren't called Empyreans anywhere>But the point originally was that Empyrean was used as a racial identificationNo it wasn't. Stop lying, there's no Hornsent npc, enemy or whatnot that is called "Empyrean".The only Hornsent NPC that was called Empyrean is actually called "Grandam of the Empyrean", meaning she is the Grandam, and her role as Grandam is dedicated to serving the Empyrean, an hint to personal connection and animosity towards Marika
>>736438934>imagine milking Miquilla's prostate and then calmly brushing through his yards of hair every morning while you two share tea and watch the sunrise.We got another victim of Miquella's brainwashing here. Get him to deprogramming STAT!
>>736446730The dream I'm referring to him being the perfect god that will save the world, and not a caged god that has lost so much of himself that he's barely even a person anymore. Miquella's ability to become a God wasn't in doubt, being an Empyrean proved he could become one if he tried. What was doubtful was that he'd be a good God that was any better than his mother. Miquella erased everything about himself that would make him a good god. Ymir calls out that what he's doing is doomed to failure because he doesn't realize the fundamental con of divinity in the Elden Ring universe.
>>736446906>It is. No it's not>It's literally the same fucking tree, watered with his blood, which is exactly how the game says the Haligtree came to be. All Sacred Trees come from blood sacrifices, and runes are themselves blood saplings turned into gold
>>736446689If we're sticking to your title, then she was changed from the Maiden of the Emperor(s) to the Maiden of the Hornsent(s), without this having any substantial difference in who she is. At that point labels and titles don't really mean anything. The context of the term as it was used in the event flags makes it hard to consider it to just be a case of ambiguity. But if it was just on its own, that would be enough to ignore it. But in combination with the hastily changed name of the Grandam, makes it pretty clear that there was a shift in racial title at some point.
>>736447431True, it's actually the empyrean crucible grandam
>>736447282>The dream I'm referring to him being the perfect god that will save the world, and not a caged god that has lost so much of himself that he's barely even a person anymore.The former requires the later. Marika failed because she was just a human. Miquella scoured from himself every spiritual defect. He would be better than his mother specifically because he knew that he had to be. He didn't shed his flesh and his other half and parts of his own mind because he had to in order to be a god, he did it in order to be a PERFECT god. >Miquella erased everything about himself that would make him a good god. It's literally the opposite. He rendered himself incapable of ever doing anything but pursuing universal benevolence.>Ymir calls out that what he's doing is doomed to failure because he doesn't realize the fundamental con of divinity in the Elden Ring universe.No, he actually says that he thinks that Miquella overestimated the length of his own flaws, that all he needed to do was reject Marika. But then Ymir shows that he UNDERestimated the extent of his own personal flaws.
>>736446310>That doesn't at all suggest that Miquella's body must have already been in Nokron Yes it does actually >He could have been kidnapped at any point that Malenia was away, and he was placed there because THAT'S WHERE MOHG'S HOUSE IS Which is coincidentally the exact same place Malenia and Radahn fight in their planned battle for the vow which will ascend Miquella to Godhood, but the two things are totally unrelated to Miquella's kidnapping, that also happens to be very useful for Miquella to gain an elegible body vesselLol you Miquellafaggots lost hard
>>736447416>No it's notYes it is. It looks exactly like the Haligtree.>All Sacred Trees come from blood sacrifices, No, they don't. No blood sacrifice was implied in the creation of the erdtree and we know absolutely fucking nothing about the scadutree. The minor erdtrees were formed from a seed of the original erdtree and fertilized with the corpses of the dead, not the blood of the living.
>>736447530>she was just a human She was a vessel for the dragon god
>>736446898Crucible touched areas have things like horned or atavistic enemies in them. The Misbegotten are evolutionary throwback chimera, Omens are covered in horns, the Hornsent are covered in horns, the Specimen Storehouse is full of mutated horned beasts, Crucible influenced animals like the guardian lions or red bears have horns and other changes. The Aeonia Swamp just has Rot mutants and Pests. Nothing Crucible coded.
>>736447431>then she was changed from the Maiden of the Emperor(s) to the Maiden of the Hornsent(s), without this having any substantial difference in who she is. Neither of these titles would be wrong. Fromsoftware has a big history of choosing to cut relevant, true, fitting info to not give too much away directly. Fact is, if the Grandam was an Empyrean herself at any point, then she would be called Grandam Empyrean, not Grandam of the Empyrean>hastily changed >shiftEmpyrean had a defined meaning in the game two years prior to the DLC release
>>736435570>white pigguHe’s talking to his yellow subordinate though. The white piggu just sent over the sound files, no input beyond that.
>>736447551>Yes it does actuallyNo, it doesn't. Trina visited the merchants deep below Leyendell, for example, despite not having to be physically near there. Even fucking Morgott could project his spirit from Leyendell to Limgrave.>Which is coincidentally the exact same place Malenia and Radahn fight Yes. Malenia and Radahn fought in Caelid, Mohg's house was under Caelid, because Nokron is under Caelid, and Nokron had some prime real estate for him to take over far from the prying eyes of the golden order.
>>736447639Based on fucking what?>>736447687Your post is generally correct, but the omens are not crucible touched. THEIR horns are not evolutionary, not the horns of animals, but rather, self destructive cancerous growths. Their bodies are not chimeras, but actively harming themselves. They're maligned by the golden order because they incidentally resemble the hornsent, not for any actual shared spiritual heritage.
>>736447060They aren't called Empyreans in the game right now. They were called that in the game data, and the Hornsent Grandam's name of Empyrean Grandam is indicative of this. Your explanation doesn't make sense because FromSoft would not have changed it otherwise. They changed it because it was a mistake, and not an intentional label indicating her role in society. Instead, the error was that they left an old reference to the race's racial title in an item description and had to replace it with the new racial name. If it was just an ambiguity issue, they wouldn't have touched it because they never clarify that stuff with direct patches.
>>736438185>accepts Misbegotten who can't imbibe the amber of the ErdtreeThe misbegotten in the Haligtree were sent there by Radagon as a hit squad, it's why there's a misbegotten crusader with Radagon's greatsword in the consecrated snowfield. Consider that the couple misbegotten capable of using incantations in the DLC only use Radagon's, never Miquella's.
>>736447530Marika failed because she was a traumatized and cruel person that became a Goddess out of a very brutal background and ascendancy. Miquella failed because he overcorrected and removed anything that would restrain his actions as a deity and made himself into a Holy Robot that lacked any empathy or ability to reconsider his choices or actions. You cannot be benevolent without love, or the ability to self-doubt and reconsider, or to understand the fears of others, or the ability to see or feel the pain of others with your eyes and heart. What Miquella had left himself as, was just a pure shell of a creature with nothing but ambition and heartless paternalism driving his actions.
>>736447858Not my job to educate the ER schizoBut a few thingsShe appears in faram azula artwork The crucible (real aka scadutree) is in a painting called the domain of dragons, next to where faram azula used to sitGodfrey never fought the ANCIENT dragons? Huh? Wouldn't that be everything he lived for?Godfrey is Serosh's lord, or that's how it was supposed to be, and Marika the lord's vessel. Then she did a fuckery and didn't die to house Godfrey's soul, serosh didn't ascendBasic stuff desu
>>736447732Cutting overexpository or underexpository content after release almost never happens, neither does clearing up ambiguity. FromSoft thrives on either giving too much or too little information or leaving too much ambiguity because it covers up their sloppy writing and world building, lol. When they cut stuff, it is almost always because it was reflective of developmental changes where the story was rewritten and some bits were left in accidentally.
>>736437041>>THIS IS AWFUL WRITING MIYAZAKI RUINED THE STORY SOTE IS BAD BAD BADDesu everything to do with the demigods is full of Gurmisms, his influence on the game is bigger than people like to admit. I'd love it if one day FromSoft released the 400 page world building document he handed them so we could compare notes to the final game.
>>736448358There's no way From came up with a line like Marika's tits.
>>736447639Marika has no clear connections to the Dragons. They'd likely fallen as a civilization long before her apotheosis.With Gransax's attack being basically their last hurrah at preventing a new God from taking over the world. Farum Azula was lightly colonized as a prison for the Rune of Death because it was hard to get to. >>736448156Do we have any evidence that Godfrey battled any Dragons? He fought the Giants, but Godwyn was the one that beat back the Dragon invasion.
>>736448458That's the point Why would godfrey not fight the dragons? There's only one reason, they were on the same side.
>>736447632>Yes it is. No it's not >It looks exactly like the Haligtree. It doesn't. It looks similar as far as trees go, but actually lacks the interwoven trunk portrayed in the emblem>No, they don't. Yes they do>No blood sacrifice was implied in the creation of the erdtree You are beyond retarded. Marika climbs a mountain of freshly sacrificed Hornsent bodies to create the Erdtree. Sacrifices of blood are the basis of the creation of all Sacred Trees. Even in Nightreignthe cutting gifted tribe maidens that were sacrificed drop sacrificial twigs because the runes dropped onthe ground are literal blood saplings but golden, in the same way the Fire Giants (and other pre Age of Erdtree convicts and slaves grew Scadutree thorns from their blood.Blood is at the basis of the creation of ALL Sacred Trees. Why do you think jars being bodies of champions to the Minor Erdtrees?
>>736447892>They were called that in the game data,Source?
>>736448156>Not my job to educate the ER schizoYou fucking ARE the ER schizo>She appears in faram azula artwork No, she doesn't.>The crucible (real aka scadutree) is in a painting called the domain of dragons, next to where faram azula used to sitNot one part of this sentence is accurate>Godfrey never fought the ANCIENT dragons? Huh? I never said he didn't! Obviously he did, one of them attacked fucking Leyendell itself, but what does that have to do with Marika supposedly being vessel of their missing god? Wouldn't that make them LESS likely to attack?>Godfrey is Serosh's lord, or that's how it was supposed to be, and Marika the lord's vessel. Then she did a fuckery and didn't die to house Godfrey's soul, serosh didn't ascendThis is retarded schizo nonsense.
>>736448743It came to me in a dream
>>736448458>Do we have any evidence that Godfrey battled any Dragons?Just the giant ass dragon corpse stretched across his city. Everything else he said is wrong though
>>736448097>The misbegotten in the Haligtree were sent there by Radagon as a hit squadLol>it's why there's a misbegotten crusader with Radagon's greatsword in the consecrated snowfield. Consider that the couple misbegotten capable of using incantations in the DLC only use Radagon's, never Miquella's.They use Radagon's incantations because they are kin to Radagon and connected to the Ancient Crucible of the Erdtree, not because they are an "hit squad". Radagon loved his children
>>736448791So the jagged peak isn't faram azula's original location? lol
>>736448860It's said very plainly godwyn fought gransax lmao
>>736447060Jesus Christ fromdrones sure are a dense bunch
>>736448667>but actually lacks the interwoven trunk portrayed in the emblemWe're talking about 2 trees here, not any "emblem">Marika climbs a mountain of freshly sacrificed Hornsent bodies to create the Erdtree. No, she didn't. She became a god atop Enir Elim, which allowed her to inter the elden ring in her body. She didn't make the erdtree at this time. She didn't make the erdtree until after the extermination of the fire giants, which happened after she married Godfrey, which happened after the destruction of the hornsent. >Why do you think jars being bodies of champions to the Minor Erdtrees?To fertilize them with their corpse wax. Not the blood sacrifice of living people.
>>736448947OK retard trying to argue godfrey killed gransax
>>736448876No! It isn't! One is a carefully curated and beautiful temple city, the other is a completely untouched mountainous hellscape, they are physically, visually, and spiritually completely opposite locations. Home to physically and spiritually opposite dragons. >>736448937Well I have to assume that Godfrey didn't just sit out of the dragon war for no reason. Unless it happened after he had already been banished by Marika. Is there any evidence of that?
Radagon was a leonine misbegotten that used a golden tear to become a demigod through the power of the rune of the unborn demigod. He's fused to Marika due to the power of that rune.
>>736448667>lacks the interwoven trunk portrayed in the emblemThe trunk is literally winding in on itself >>736437528
>>736449093Lots, actually. Btw lorelet, look at jagged peak and faram azula on a map at one point, if you even own the game. They are both surrounded by drakes.
People think the nox and the golden order are the gold interwoven with silver but it was the dragons, marika just stole their grace.
>>736447687You are beyond retardedThere's no Crucible "Touched"The Crucible Knights don't physically have hornsThe Banished Knights that WEAR horns on their armor are normal humans that don't grow hornsNiall is a super ancient veteran that served Farum Azula before being banished and leading his knights in the outskirts, where he serves Miquella in hope of restoring an Empire like the one pre Age of Erdtree. He hard horns like the Crucible Knight and other Banished Knights, but doesn't grow horns because that's exclusive to beastsThey worship the Crucible because they lives and served in the Age of the Dragons/Farum Azula before that Order fell.The Hornsent (and the beasts) grow horns and the former do because they are foreigners subjected to the Crucible currents, and then, ONLY THEN, started worshipping horns as symbol of divinity, fashioning their culture around ripping off the beast/dragon Sun RealmEvery single Sacred Tree is a Crucible before sprouting. Even the Lands Between is itself the Mother of All Crucibles, sprouted from the shoulders of giants (that can be even seen).The Misbegotten are creatures that descend from the era of the primordial Crucible, fiends, and don't mean that the Crucible has "areas" or spreads. They are simply creatures.>>736447858>Your post is generally correctNo he is fucking retarded
>>736448097The Misbegotten are at the Snowfield and the Haligtree because they're seeking shelter from persecution there. The Misbegotten Crusader has the Golden Order Greatsword because Radagon threw it out due to being a disingenuous person with no real care for others.
>>736449510>Niall is a super ancient veteran that served Farum Azula before being banishedYou are the dumbest motherfucker alive
Why would she be called the eternal if there were older beings walking around like dragons that are supposedly thousands of years older than her?
>>736448937Godwyn fought Fortissax. We don't know who killed Gransax, it could have been a team effort or Marika could have solo'd him herself.
>>736449691Ok retard. You lost, hard
>>736449723It's what she called herself and her religion to make clear her intentions to establish an unchanging eternal rule
>>736449836Nah she's just old af
>>736449723Marika was called "the Eternal" because she was supposedly immortal, and for propaganda purposes.
>>736435570Wouldn't this be BAMCOs fault. If he had to cut something that usually means time or budget constraints by the publisher.
>>736448120>Marika failed because she was a traumatized and cruel person that became a Goddess out of a very brutal background and ascendancy. Wrong>Miquella failed because he overcorrected and removed anything that would restrain his actions as a deity and made himself into a Holy Robot that lacked any empathy or ability to reconsider his choices or actions. Wrong>>736449653Retard
>>736449909Marika can't be that powerful if she needed Godfrey to clear out the giants and a bunch of rebellions for her. She can't even stop her own children from being born fucked up by the crucible she hates so much. The Elden Ring doesn't seem to be that impressive as an artifact, it's basically just a stop sign for other outer gods.
>>736448120>Miquella failed because he overcorrected and removed anything that would restrain his actions as a deityHe specifically removed everything that would even allow him to defy his own stated goal to save everyone in the world.>made himself into a Holy Robot that lacked any empathy Retarded baseless headcanon. >You cannot be benevolent without love, Yes you can. Good people are good to even total strangers.
>>736449909Very effective propaganda when there's a giant ancient dragon in your capital
>>736449653This would make sense if the misbegotten at the haligtree weren't chopping people up... Which they are.
Serosh is missing an eyeHid golden eye, his graceMarika stole it
>>736450385The misbeggoten at the haligtree are mostly praying
Why did they remove the option to side with Miquella? They even had the voice acting for it done and some of the animation. Your ability to play a role in this "role playing game" sucks.
>>736450312Ancient, but demonstrably not eternal
