>*after going through the door*>???: Listen! I was lied to! He lied to me! He put me in here!>???: It was him! He killed me! It was him!why didn't this retard just tell everybody who killed him?
Uchikoshi is a hack
sex with lotus and alice. that is all
>>736436561lotus' juice...
>Made a fortune from investing in Cradle PharmaceuticalWhy doesn't he recognize the CEO of the company that made him rich? This is from before the retail investor era where people were just putting money on random shit through Robinhood.
>>736437026the game is set in 2027 actually
>>736437272But the game was written decades prior, so the writer couldn't have known about Robinhood.
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>>736436372the weirdest thing is that people already weren't using their real names and it would have been entirely reasonable for him to say "it was Hongou" while panicking, since he's known him for years and knows his name. so the player and junpei wouldn't have had any idea who he was talking about, without having him need to just not identify the person he was talking about at all. And it wouldn't have mattered to the plot at all, since everyone in the group who knows who Hongou is already knows he's a psycho.
>>736439112>since everyone in the group who knows who Hongou is already knows he's a psycho.Why didn't Snake and Clover reveal his identity?
>>736439741Snake had that message from Zero that said "if you say anything about the previous nonary game I am going to instantly kill you and your sister with bombs." I'm not sure if Clover would recognize him, since she was at the other facility for the first game and would have never met him.
>>736436372Lotus was such a massive bitch in the sequels
>>736436372his mind was panicking. when you're emotionally excited the words you blurt don't tend to be coherent. he didn't think he'd fail the sally anne test by forgetting to tell everyone that it was Ace who was responsible999 has small plotholes much more relevant than what you pointed out though. Still a better game than VLR and the abomination that is ZTD
>>736436372Man, VLR really ruined Clover's look.
>>736437026He does
>>736436372He didn’t remember Ace’s codename
>>736443252Yeah Clover was cutest girl in 999 but she's kinda shit after
>>736437389It's not strange to imagine that in the future there would be a way to automate or instatrade stonks.
>>736436372Even if he named him would anyone know who the named person was? And besides, why would anyone trust him? Ace is a smart guy, he could talk his way out of it.
>>736443252My beloved axe murderer
>>736437026Book-definition retard
>accidentally follow the correct path> ends abruptly to force you to play the other pathsI never bothered with the sequels because the writing was absolute garbage from path to path
>>736436372Every character in this game loves giving a scientific lecture they remembered from high school
I think everyone would agree this game is as retarded as ZTD if it had the same bad animation instead of sprites
>>736448697I think you need to play them again and actually read the words on the screen this time,
>>736446447>Even if he named him would anyone know who the named person was?Snake
>>736448638Have you heard about Ice-9?
Did Uchikoshi write 999 based on this?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_10%2B01
>>736448946No, but have you heard of prosopagnosia?
>>736448697999 was good. ZTD was shit and I'm STILL mad about it.
>>736449120Wow, yeah that's incredibly similar.>1h10mI might have time to watch this tonight. Looks interesting.
>>736449207Anon, you already explained it to me. I think you mistook me for somebody else.
>>736449120No, he (partially) self-plagiarized ever17.
Do I ever get to meet Alice? I'm currently doing the "true" ending after doing all the other paths and I just found the coffin but she wasn't inside.
>>736451069It'd be better if we didn't meet her.
What vidjas do you play with your daughter?
>>736451158are these characters from VLR/ZTD?
>>736452383both, mostly
If you're going to poke holes in the story of 999 then maybe focus on the massive glaring ones instead.The villain's plan was to kidnap and torture children in a massive underground complex with a bunch of futuristic technology bullshit and Saw traps in order to force them to DEVELOP MAGIC POWERS so that he could CURE HIS FACE BLINDNESS.
>>736452661That's not a plot hole?
>>736452661And it worked.
>>736436372I wonder what happened to Clover in the axe ending, either Ace bashed her brains in or she got burned alive in the incinerator
>>736452661Can you imagine how annoying and inconvenient and embarrassing it would be to have prosopagnosia?
>>736452897Maybe Epstein just had prosopagnosia?
>>736452738Allow me to spell it out specifically since you're just as retarded as that villain then. He somehow made this facility, kidnapped these kids and started his bullshit despite this all being infeasible. Then when he managed to get a kid which apparently developed magic power through literally sudoku he then did absolutely nothing because that timeline had shifted so in that timeline presumably he just walked away and shoved his thumb up his ass for a few years. Then, his desire was to cure his face blindness? Does it make sense to torture/murder a bunch of kids to achieve that? What kind of difficulties could he have possibly suffered from that disability that would lead to that method. It makes no sense. And then his idea of how making kids magic would somehow cure his face blindness was? Never mentioned. Doesn't exist. Makes no sense.None of it makes sense and I fucked your mother.>>736452783No it didn't. He was still face blind. He remained face blind. And he was also captured and almost died. Because his plan was retarded.
>>736453039No, it worked. Hongou just didn't receive the morphogenetic fields hard enough.
>>736452661He also thought that sinking the not-Titanic was a more financially sound than building two bunkers that could be reused.
>>736450647It's called recycling.
>>736453039He's a richfag high on his own farts who doesn't care for the suffering of some children. The human experiments just show him as being pretty sociopathic. And it's not like we lack real life example of similar richfags in recent years (OceanGate guy for the former, Epstein for the latter). A character having crazy ideas isn't bad writing or a plot hole, it's characterisation.
>>736452661His reasoning makes some sense, I don't think it's a plothole, it's just ridiculous. Psychic theory was already partially tested, so he made increasingly more ridiculous experiments by putting gifted children in exceedingly more dangerous situations. He didn't just set up the entire thing and went straight to the deathgames from the start, it was gradual. And it worked, although it was ultimately used against him.It's not like ultra rich people IRL don't do way stupider and more vile things with their immense wealth and power, to children, for even dumber reasons, and also get away with it.>>736453039I see you're just a moron crashing out for some reason. You're literally too stupid to understand basic James Bond villain plot and motivation. Rich people being selfish and uncaring to a comically evil degree seems like a new concept to you. Just go down the adrenochrome rabbit hole for real life examples.
>>736454480Didn't read lmao.
Is ZTD basically the Joker 2 of the series
How did Gentarou recognize Snake and Clover from the first Nonary Game if he had prosopagnosia?>He knew Snake was blindIt's not like he's the only blind person on the planet
>50 replies>yet no pictures of the black chick with huge titsI hate it here.
>>736436372and you’ve been NICKY NICKY NINE DOORS’DUP AND DOWN THE SCARBOROUGH BLUFFSNicky Nicky Nine DoorsI’m the guy who does that stuff
>>736456017>complains about lack of big titty bitches>fails to post them himselfbe the change you want to see
>>736456472YOU GOT A DOORBELL? I'LL RING IT!
>...Never mind her. She's just like him. Not the Akane I knew. She must have seen some pretty awful things over the years. Hell, she might not even be human anymore. But the Akane Kurashiki I know isn't here. She's not anywhere."
>>736456765I'm not going to be fat brown tits, you stupid faggot
>>736457567did Lotus ever explain why dresses like a slut
ALL ICE
>>736443252What, you don't like her teen Pebbles Flintstones cosplay?
odds 999 cloverevens vlr clover
>>736452383The two on the left are the main characters of VLR, the one on the right is kind of in VLR, but the real answer is spoilers, and all three are one of three three-person teams in ZTD.
I just got to the plot twist in 999. How did they adapt this for the single-screen remake?
>>736457637did they ever explain why clover went full slut for the second game?
>>736457850
>>736457850You have an option to swap the narration at any time, but many people including myself probably never fucked with it after settling on one they preferred.
>>736457850They didn't and it ruins the twist, if you're a brainlet like me you won't figure it out until reading a wiki afterwards.
>>736453039Brother was the one who convinced Hongou that morphogenetic fields were the key to fixing his face blindness, as it is mentioned in the secret files of VLR that Ace is a devoted follower of Free the Soul.
>>736448697>I think everyone would agree a game about communicating with someone further back on the timeline is as retarded as the game where it turns out the character who's been alongside our protagonist for two games now was actually his daughter but not really his daughter because it was a different him who fathered her in a failed timeline where he sent her through an alien fax machine to the past and actually the big bad of the whole series he was also a kid like that fathered in a different timeline then sent through an alien fax machine to the past except further back so hes even older than you now and he was actually present or the entire 3rd game you just didnt know because he was slightly offscreen and suddenly he tells you yep im the big bad everything was done by me and his motives are complex but hes got no fucking motives and then the game ends on a cliffhangerI want to skin anyone who thinks ZTD is anything above a 0/10 alive
>>736457850>>736457906Adding to this, for the finale the text on the toggle switches to Akane Vision/Junpei Vision and the game automatically switch between the modes using a goofy TV static transition.
>>736457637every game has to have a slut
The Junpei VA in the remake is the worst i've ever heard in my life. I hope you all played the NDS version.
>>736457893pretty sure they did yeah, it was because she looked up to Alice.
>>736458786The timeline jumping in the remake seems like a good QoL change but I'll always recommend the DS version because it presents the story and twist better.
>>736458978The NDS version isn't that inconvenient because you can just hold the right button to speed through all the dialogue and remember the puzzles from before. I wish somebody told me about that because I *almost* considered playing the remake since I was under the impression that I would have to read the entire thing again.
>>736452661Haha yeah who could ever believe rich assholes conspire to kidnap children to nefarious ends for no reason other than their own satisfaction?
>>736459334why are you talking about this? have you seen the DOW?
it kind of annoys me that (at least in the DS version) the localization staff come up first in the credits before the actual developers of the game
sex with alice
>>736452661You forgot to mention the actual main villain of the game: sudoku
>>736456891
has any plotpoint from the first game been addressed on the sequels?
>>736460201Making her not actually an ancient mummy was a mistake. Killed any interest I had in the character.
>Build up an entire new plot in VLR>Abandon 99% of it in ZTD>The 1% that remains is barely relevant>The plot quickly switches to something else entirelyWtf was Uchi thinking?
>>736462394>I am tired of these toys, I want new ones.
>>736443252You fucking wish.Yotsuba PEAK IS GYARU PEAK.
>>736457637She says something vague about going to a "themed office party" before she was kidnapped.
>>736462770If you ignore everything above her waist maybe. It's like she got halfway through picking out the outfit and gave up.
>>736462825I want to work at that office.
>>736460201Yes.
>>736462394He got bored of his old story outline, Telltale games were big and he wanted to make the game accessible to people new to the series.
>>736443252
Virtue Last Reward is kino.I am NOT hearing anyone out.
>>736463258All three games are kino, that doesn't mean they're good.
>>736462770Actually, looking at her for the first time in a decade I like the tall seminude sticc thing she has going on. But the hair and the fuzzy donut thing are retarded, and it should have been another character using this style because Clover being short and soft looking is what really sold the little sister aspect of her character.
I seriously need a GIF of K riding that bunny to rythym of RECREATION.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oRWR603ObI
>>736463391
>>736453478DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT?
kuroba sexo
It kinda amazes me that some random japanese guy made the perfect escape room type game series years ago before they even got popular.And the fact that most people wouldnt even know...
>>736462825she must work at a strip club
>>736463821She's a wacky smart programmer thats for sure... but maybe she got kidnapped at her nightclub side-job lolShe has kids to feed afterall..
Does prosopagnosia also prevent you from recognising facial cues?Would it be classified under autism?
im not ashamed to say i did not understand 999 back when i played it, and to this day, i still have no idea what the fuck i played.
>>736464060Good luck seeing facial cues from something like this.
>>736454837Speaking as a retard with face blindness, eventually you just start using certain physical characteristics + general traits as a way to recognize who is who. Like say, a certain haircut, the way someone walks, the gestures they use, their voice and word choice, etc. Tons of dumb shit like that works pretty well as a replacement for remembering faces.
>>736465930would you do that even if you haven't seen somebody for 9 years?
>>736464246what part confused you?
Zero Escape as a franchise was ruined by the amount of retarded twists and plot elements that were needed to justify the obscenely retarded moon reveal."This airborne virus causes you to perceive time at about 1/6th of normal speed" FUCK YOOOOUUUUU
>>736467276Anon, from the very first game it was all about retarded twists.
>>736467276It was kino anonUnfortunately there is no way to continue the series from there, unless: They had competent writers, a well thought out plan, and time to cookBut it did give us some incredible memes thoughLook out for snails
>>736453039You know people have done plenty of worse and dumber experiments than that in real life right?
>>736467363There was nothing in 999 that comes even close to how hamfisted Radical-6 was in terms of being nonsensical and warping the plot around it, and it's extremely obvious that the highly-specific characteristics of Radical-6 only came about to justify the big stupid setting reveal, like Uchikoshi came up with the twist first then wrote backwards to make it remotely feasible.Not to mention how poorly the twist is hidden in every other regard>"The air is so dangerous out in this "desert" that we have to put on "quarantine suits" and go through a decompression chamber, no it's not a spacesuit, shut up">"Hey isn't it cool that this quarantine facility is extremely sci-fi and may as well be in outer space? Also the AI running it is a FUCKING MOON RABBIT, but I'm sure that doesn't mean anything"There were so many fucking hints that I was expecting the twist to be that they WEREN'T on the moonI can tolerate a twist being extremely retarded OR blatantly obvious, but not fucking both
>>736462394setup is easier than payoff, doubly so when it's anything involving a mystery, no different than jj abrams school school of storytellingif the writer was actually competent when it came to being coherent, he would not be nearly as famous, so it's not a bug but a feature
so why did seven remember akane dying if she lived?
>>736436372same energy
>>736457786>>736462770https://files.catbox.moe/nyabz3.png
i just started virtues last reward i miss the DS sprites so much
>>736436372How come this kino never got an anime but Reddit's Gate and Danganslop did?
>>736469959because its less popularbut if it was more popular you would call it reddit slop too
>>736453039the goal was to invent reverse telepathy so other people could insert each other's faces into his mindit's obvious, retard
>>736469959999 and VLRs twists wouldn’t work in anime format
>>736437026he's just pretending to be retarded, duh>>736439112only thing I can think of is they were given instructions not to reveal their names or the bombs would detonate instantly
>>736473581one of VLR big twist is Sigma being an old man, which doesn't work in anime format, and even if the anime exclusively use 1st person view (which would limit the presentation) they still need a way to hide his decaying voice and wrinkly hands.
>>736436372yjk he groped clover
>>736436372if there's one thing that pisses me off about uchikoshit is how everyone gets away with leaving everyone for dead to save their skin, but the moment you do the same the punishment is swift, ruthless and brutalother characters will murder without a second thought. the PC takes it like a bitch. the only exception is carlos cutting down the psycho bitch
>>736474326thats a fucking gay way to do it.
>>736475986I didn't attack you at all, I said your idea was retarded and shit. Stupid fallacy spouter.
>>736462770Her 999 design was gyaru already
>>736468071Insanely low IQ post. Nothing in VLR comes anywhere close to the insane retardation of Akane being an astral projection from her child self. Nothing. It's 'a wizard did it' tier.
>>736477637>brother being able to peek far into the future and sending his agents to the moon for the very purpose of foiling the plan... that he actually needed to succeed in the end because his birth is actually dependent on it, which akane actually foresaw, so she set everything up to hinge on her death in the futureyeah no, that's even more contrived and improbable
>>736458082You just got mind hacked. His motives are too complex for you.
The guy being slightly offscreen the entire game is actually a hilarious extension of the assumption of narrative that VLR did with its protagonist. They made the entire game 3d to justify its inclusion and they couldnt animate for shit, it brought the entire game down but I think its mad genius.- quote from man mind hacked.
>>736448697999's sprites are really cheaply done, and there's a couple (eg Ace's outstretched hand pose) which turned to complete garbage in digitization. Nobody likes this games chiefly for its character sprites.
>>736477963>Bringing ZTD nonsense into thisYour lies are more transparent than Alice's dress in 999's ending.In VLR, Brother is just a religious fanatic who tries to stop the nonary game because it conflicts with his dogma and fails because Akane outplays him on account of being the more powerful esper. There's nothing contrived about it.
>multiple routes setup of ice9/all-ice>its totally irrelevantamazing.
>>736454837>It's not like he's the only blind person on the planetNo, but if you're in the same scenario you engineered and people with the same traits as the kids you kidnapped showed up, and they've aged the proportional amount to the time difference, you're not going to assume it's coincidence.
>>736478413Yeah, it's called a red herring and is an essential part of any good mystery. You need to distract your readers from what's actually happening with false leads. Ice-9 works very well for that purpose because it's pseudoscientific nonsense that sounds vaguely plausible to laymen, just like the morphogenetic field.
>>736478621im not sure that's what a red herring really is, that's meant to be the false lead for the solution. But this is just a mystery with no resolution or real relevance (besides complicated setup for the plant the drug company uses).
>>736454480>It's not like ultra rich people IRL don't do way stupider and more vile things with their immense wealth and power, to children, for even dumber reasons, and also get away with itTorturing children in fake programs in WWASPS-affliated institutions is a multi billion dollar industry. It's sadly not the most unrealistic plot point in the series.
>>736478675It's one in the sense that you're supposed to be wondering whether you're in a grounded setting or one with supernatural elements; there's a lot going on in 999 that could be explained easily with supernatural elements, and the characters bring up such elements over the course of the story to make you consider the possibility of it. At the same time, there's grounded explanations for most events, so you're supposed to wonder about whether it's a game about esoteric pseudoscience being real or if you Junpei just happens to talk about it with the girl who firmly believes in healing crystals and astrology.Ultimately, the answer is that some of it is true (morphogenetic field yes, Ice-9 no) and that's supposed to be the twist.If there's anything unsatisfying about it, it's that the morphogenetic field actually isn't a false lead because it leads to the nonsense in 999's ending.
>>736478905oh I never thought it unsatisfying, I loved 999 thoroughly. I was sincere when I called it amazing. I agree with your surmising here.
>>736478675>im not sure that's what a red herring really isit's meat you throw on the side to distract hunting houndsthe twist is no such thing was actually deployed in real life, though strong-smelling smoked fish have been used for the purpose of training hunting dogs to test whether they can manage to keep their focus on the prey's scent
>>736478905why do all jap mystery games have a scene at the end that explains absolutely fucking everything? ace attorney does it too. do japs have the memory of a goldfish or something?
>>736479142They have a tradition of mystery fiction that's rooted in the classics, which also tended to do that (deriving from Watson's closing monologues in Sherlock Holmes)
>>736479142the japanese view anime and games as being for children. Therefore it needs to treat the audience as stupid.
>>736479142Sometimes I feel like japs geniunely don't know what subtlety is. I watched the japanese remake of cube recently and holy fuck. Despite heavy handed allusions and smaller flashbacks throughout the entire movie there is a scene where a movie of a memory plays that shows straight up everything about what the main character's problem is, like they were too scared that a small child would miss the meaning. There's also a very dumb twist at the end that wouldn't be out of place in a uchikoshi game now that I think about it. Huh.
>>736462770she looks like a cheap ugly whore in that game, 999 is tasteful
>>736458082june's plan makes no sense>i'm alive right now but i need to do something in the present to save myself in the pastit's pure retardation, uchikoshi was always a hack and you're a retarded goy mongrelas i said the only reason some people get tricked into thinking this garbage is good is because it doesn't have the same horrible presentation as ZTD
>>736436372Is it worth playing Uchi's other games/VNs besides 999 and VLR?
>>736436372I hate Akane so much it's unreal.
>>736483012>too retarded to understand a closed timeloop, the most basic form of time travel>calling someone else a retarded goyNo wonder you type in full lowercase
>>736483993try to explain how a "closed time loop" would work or make any sort of sense using your own words
>>736483538ZTD: It's worth playing, most of the people hating on ZTD played it 10 years ago and are reposting memes from then, it's not nearly as bad as you might be led to expect. The plot is not flawless or perfectly coherent but why would anyone expect that after VLR anyway.Never7: It's probably not what you're looking for, it's more of a dating sim with a few supernatural elements, but I liked it.Ever17/Remember11: You should read these, I think they're better than the ZE series. The science fiction elements which are often criticised in ZE feel more grounded here. Ever17 was very popular. The criticism Remember11's ending got was overblown, it's still great.AITSF: I disliked pretty much every character but it has a serviceable mystery if you ignore the vibe destroying attempts at "humor". The sequel is worse in every way. Maybe worth playing if you want.World's End Club: Probably bad, I haven't heard anyone talking about it and apparently it's written for a younger audience.Hundred Line: I only played half of the demo but it looks like a waste of time.
>>736484179>The plot is not flawless or perfectly coherent but why would anyone expect that after VLR anyway.You are being straight disingenuous, sorry. You know perfectly well what the difference between the two is, you saw the reaction even from the general audiences that game was trying to court in discarding its existing plot.
>>736483993The timeloop in 999 isn't closed.
>>736484563General audiences don't always have good taste. If you're a serious hat lorefag for this series you're a moron, I was laughing at some of the plot reveals and it was great fun. ZTD has people trapped in a mysterious facility and forced to solve puzzles, dying in horrible ways with surprising twists, that's why I liked it and why I think anon will like it if he allows himself to.
>>736484179>Hundred Line: I only played half of the demo but it looks like a waste of time.I did play it, it is a waste of time
>>736484179>plot is not flawless or perfectly coherent but why would anyone expect that after 999 anywayFTFY.VLR is the only ZE game with a coherent plot.
>Delta is only born in one timeline>somehow exists in every timeline including the one where everyone escapes unscathed
>>736468071>how the fuck would sigma, phi, clover, or alice know that they were on the moon>tenmyouji and quark were told to keep quiet, luna is not allowed to speak up outside of very specific circumstances, k either has amnesia or is akane who is deliberately withholding information, why would dio want to explain anything to anyone>sci-fi means you obviously must be in outer space>a rabbit mascot that goes away after the first round of the ab game means we're obviously on the moonIn the Dio ending Sigma and Phi most likely do find out they're on the moon after they get to the settlement, but that's past the point that's relevant for the story of the game.
>>736486018Every single Zero Escape timeline is branching off from the one where two babies suddenly appeared inside pods of an alien artifact the Germans found in Antarctica.
>>736486018In the branching timeline model he and Phi appear in the one version of the 1900s that all other realities branch from
>>736483538ZTD can be a very fun experience if you approach it with zero (hurr hurr) expectations. Treat it like an unexpectedly extensive fangame and it becomes hilarious.Ever17 and Remember11 are like proto-ZE. You'll notice that Uchikoshi retreads some themes he touched upon in those games (he does this a lot in general) in the ZE games, particularly VLR, but it's done more competently in ZE. He was still finding his footing as an author in his earlier works. Still rather worth playing.AITFS is alright, but I couldn't shake the feeling that the entire series is just him coping with how badly ZTD was received. It feels comparatively forgettable and 'safe'. Not bad, but I would only play it if you explicitly want more of his style.
>>736486140But that makes no sense considering the only way he appeared there in the first place is if he was born to sigma and diana in the shelter and put into the fax machine, and that doesn't happen in the true ending despite delta being present. Which means in this timeline delta simply appeared out of thin air
>>736486410You're assuming the other timelines disappear. If you put something from the future into the past, it will exist in all branches of time from that point.
>>736486410>and that doesn't happen in the true ending despite delta being present.It happens in a parallel timeline, which is still exists. Have you not played VLR?
>>736486563They should disappear. They didn't happen in this timeline. It doesn't make sense for a potential future (that didn't actually happen) to influence the past>>736486579Sigma going back to the past to prevent radical 6 also makes no sense, and in this case it can be handwaved away as him trying (and failing) to stop radical 6 over and over and being stuck in an infinite time loop
>>736486690>Sigma going back to the past to prevent radical 6 also makes no senseWhy?
>>736486690Oh you're retarded and only think there should only be one version of time travel despite the second game explaining how timelines in the game's universe work.
>>736486690>time travel doesn't make sensewe know...
>>736486410nta, but I assumed the alien fax sent them to every possible past timeline. So the 'very complex' motives included making a single possible timeline of babies to alien copy-paste into every other timeline, solidifying Delta's existence.
>>736486732https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandfather_paradox>>736486770Nice argument
>>736486818Grandfather paradox does not apply when you have multiple branching timelines.
>>736486926If you have multiple branching timelines it makes no sense for delta to be part of every timeline. He's only born in one timeline.
Is Zero Time Dilemma any good?
>>736487069It's certainly a Time. I can tell you that much.
>>736487005He isn't part of EVERY timeline in existence. The events of 999/VLR/ZTD happen in the timeline where he was born.
>>736487174>The events of 999/VLR/ZTD happen in the timeline where he was born.But they don'tIn the radical 6 timeline, he can't possibly be born because sigma escaped the shelter and didn't have access to the fax machineIn the true ending everyone escapes the shelter yet delta shows up at the end and laughs about the complexity of his motives, which he wouldn't be able to do normally since he was never born.
>>736487262>anon can't entertain the idea of delta existing in multiple timelines because his birth didn't happen in the true timeline>anon is also willing to entertain the idea of the vlr timeline despite radical-6 not being released in the true timelineWhat did he mean by this?
>>736486770>>736486926Doesn't June/Akane get erased from existence in the safe ending from 999 because of failing to save herself in the past in that ending?
>>736487345Are you acting retarded on purpose at this point?
>>736436372I played 999 about a year ago and had fun but didn't play VLR. Is VLR as good? I might try it since I already own both. Just didn't want to get burned out/confused between the two.
>>736487369>safe ending>not safe at allwhat did they mean by this
>>736487262With the power of the AFM you don't need to be born in the timeline you exist in. If I fax you a picture of my dick then a picture of my dick exists at your place even though the picture of my dick was never taken at your place.>>736487369That got retconned when Uchi decided against Back To The Future time travel rules. Also didn't make much sense in the first place because getting the safe ending is required to save herself in the past.
>>736487413VLR is amazing and very worth playing.
>>736487369which also makes no sense, because if she was erased from existence who kidnapped people and made them play the nonary games? and why would she suddenly be erased from existence in the present as a result of something that happened in the past and never affected her up until that point?
>>736487369The way time travel works in 999 makes no fucking sense whatsoever because its a poorly forced contrivance in that game. Uchikoshi doesn't get his own rules straight until VLR.
>>736487607So the explanation is that the alien fax machine sends something to every single timeline at once? The game never made mention of this but it's the only to explain delta's existence
>>736487718>the alien fax machine sends something to every single timeline at once?No? The picture of my dick I faxed you didn't get send to every single other fax machine.
>>736487796Then how do you explain every timeline having delta in it despite delta never being born?
>>736488274He's not in every timeline though.
>>736469959Kinos;Gate was a much more coherent story
>>736488347He's part of timelines he was never born in
>fax myself to the past before we're all trapped in a psychotic killing game>can't show my face in public around where i usually live because there's another me living life>can't stop us all from getting trapped because if i do that then i wouldn't have met my best friends
>>736488456Again>you don't need to be born in the timeline you exist in
>>736488647That doesn't seem to make any sense, care to explain?
>>736488579smartest character in all of zero escape
>>736488725Were you born in the same room you are currently in? If not, how can you exist in the room you weren't born in?
>>73643656/thread everything else on this thread can be ignored.
>>736488579Yeah, what did Junpei and Akane think he was supposed to fucking do after stopping the games if he did? Live out the rest of his life as a fucking hobo with no identity or something?
>>736488843For delta to be sent to the past, he needs to actually be born at some point, right? How do you explain him existing in a timeline if he was never born? He must have been born in a different timeline surely? So the alien fax machine sends things to other timelines? yes or no?
>>736489005>the alien fax machine sends things to other timelinesThis is explicitly shown happening in the game
>>736489005>So the alien fax machine sends things to other timelines?Sends things back to a selected point in time, yes.
>>736489140That's a different thing. If it's a "selected point in time" in the same timeline, it doesn't make sense, because delta was never born therefore he couldn't be sent there in the first place.
>>736489097Carlos gets sent to the past and affects things in one specific timeline. He doesn't magically appear from the future in every timeline the decision game takes place in. That's different from delta somehow always being present when he couldn't be.
>>736462770Even if you like Clover 2.0, she's just not the same character at all. Especially with that weird grin frozen on her face.>>736463258
>>736489227>If it's a "selected point in time" in the same timeline, it doesn't make senseWhy not? It just creates a new branch where "thing appeared inside the AFM".>delta was never born therefore he couldn't be sent there in the first placeHe will be born, which is why he could be sent there.Do you have problems with causal loops or something?
>>736489442How do you know he doesn't exist in every single timeline of ZTD?
>>736489578Did that bug exist on 3ds? I feel like I saw her normal expressions when I played
>>736489589How is this a causal loop? >He will be bornNo he wont, in most of these timelines he is never born, and never sent back to the past via the fax machine
>>736489726As long as he exists to do it once, he's covered
>>736489837That doesn't make sense. He only exists in one timeline in that case, so why does he suddenly exist in every timeline retroactively? We're going back to the original explanation that the fax machine must be sending people to every timeline at once somehow.
>>736489726>How is this a causal loop?Because you can follow the causality leading to his birth and getting send back in time, which forms a... loop? Just because there a lot of branches on the way that don't close the loop (i.e. the timelines you think he shouldn't exist in for some reason even though they branch of from when he appeared in the AFM) doesn't mean it's not a loop.
>>736490016This shit makes zero sense, you're saying a branch of the timeline will somehow affect a common root of every branching path instead of splintering off into yet another branch. So are there two carlos in every decision game as well? Is the second carlos about to pop out of the shadows in the true ending when everyone escapes? You're saying it's a "causal" loop but it goes against every principle of cause and effect, in the vast majority of timeline delta's existence has no cause.
>>736490257Anon, your problem is that you treat time like a linear one-way street when the games have shown you multiple times that his is not the cause. Why would the event that caused the branch somehow result yet another branch for no reason at all?>So are there two carlos in every decision game as well? Is the second carlos about to pop out of the shadows in the true ending when everyone escapes? Yes, Carlos 2 was a common meme.>You're saying it's a "causal" loop but it goes against every principle of cause and effect, That's the definition of a causal loop.>in the vast majority of timeline delta's existence has no cause.It has a cause. The AFM printed a Delta baby.
>>736490643>Carlos 2 was a common memeIt isn't shown in the game and while it's funny I doubt that's what the writer intended.>The AFM printed a Delta babyIt didn't in the vast majority of timelines where delta exists. So how many timelines are affected then? You claim there are timelines where delta didn't pop out of the AFM here >>736490016. What determines which timeline is which if it isn't determined by a cause that is traceable and actually belongs to that specific timeline itself? "In one possible future, akane fucked every single black man on earth and sent their babies back in time" Does that mean their children are now part of certain timelines, and if so, how many? Why doesn't it affect every timeline at once?
>>736490257>what determines which timeline is which if it isn't determined by a cause that is traceable and actually belongs to that specific timeline itselfSo to you only events that will happen matter when talking about what timeline you're in? Delta faxed to the past is a part of every single timeline in zero escape, you can't ignore history. They all stem from that fax.
Who’s worse, Alice or June?
>>736491162Meant for>>736490943
>>736491162>Delta faxed to the past is a part of every single timeline in zero escapeYou're just saying "it is like that because it is". That doesn't explain anything, and it doesn't make it more logical or sensible.
>>736491191Mira
>>736460201>alice>posts Amen-Ra
>>736490943>I doubt that's what the writer intended.Uchi forgot about the Iron Fleet.>It didn't in the vast majority of timelines where delta existsIt did in every timeline that Delta exist. Which all branch of this one event of the AFM printing a Delta baby.>So how many timelines are affected then?Every branch down the branch where a Delta baby was printed.>What determines which timeline is which if it isn't determined by a cause that is traceable and actually belongs to that specific timeline itself?The information in it.>"In one possible future, akane fucked every single black man on earth and sent their babies back in time" Does that mean their children are now part of certain timelines, and if so, how many? Yeah they are part of the timelines where black babies appeared in the AFM. How many? Just the ones where black babies appeared in the the AFM.>Why doesn't it affect every timeline at once?Why doesn't every fax print the dick pic I sent to you?
>>736491460>>Why doesn't every fax print the dick pic I sent to younta but probably cause you're a coward
>>736491460>It did in every timeline that Delta existNo it didn't. Are you being willfully obtuse? Delta is never born in the vast majority of timelines shown in ZTD. He's never born in the original radical 6 timeline either.
>>736491627>he's never born in the vast majority of timelines shown in ztdBut he was faxed to them.
>>736491627I think your problem is that instead of multiple timelines being a giant branching tree you somehow think that it's a bunch of parallel but separate strings. Again, a Delta baby can get printed with information received from a different timeline, causing him to exist without being born in that timeline.
>>736491758But he shouldn't be able to be faxed to them because he was never born. If the past is affected by a future that never existed, this should apply to any and all events. There is a potential future where someone discovers a deadly virus in 3000 years, goes back to the past and kills all of humanity with it. Why is the universe limited to an arbitrary set of events that happened in one hypothetical future that never came to be, but not all of them?
>>736439962Also Snake is blind
>>736491834But in that case it doesn't explain what determines which timeline gets affected by delta traveling to itDelta gets sent to "the past". But as we learned there is not one past but multiple. Which "past" does delta get sent to?If someone else travels to 1911 afterwards, which "past" will be affected by it?An infite amount of potential branches exist but somehow only affect a finite and specific amount of "pasts" which doesn't seems to make sense and should cause reality to collapse
>>736492102>should cause reality to collapseWhy would that happen? Seriously, this particular outcome seems to be something you completely made up
>>736492504Because every single potential future is apparently interacting with the past constantly? And there's an infinite amount of potential futures
>>736492102From the perspective of a single branch there is only one past. Up the stream. A different "past" is when you go up the stream and then down a different branch, but that's what you would call "the past". From the perspective of every character in ZE the Hitler won branch is not past. The dino branch is not the past.
>>736461064Actually, is the funyarimpa
I like ZTD for its snuff horror film vibe. If only Uchikoshi went full in on that rather than LE TRAINING ARC FUCKING AGAIN
>>736492714Well now we go back to the problem of "why does delta exist in the past"If he isn't born in every single possible future it makes no sense for him to exist in the past, unless he is born in every "past" at once, which also doesn't make sense
>>736492617The only time the future is interacting with the past is at the moment of transfer, when a branch is created
>>736493009>If he isn't born in every single possible future it makes no sense for him to exist in the pastWhy? Why does information to print a baby Delta need to come from EVERY possible future and not just ONE? Do I need to send my dick pic from EVERY possible fax in the world for you to receive it or is one enough?
>>736493042In that case why does delta want to create his own birth? If the branch has already been created it doesn't need to be influenced by his actions, and he already exists. So he just lied about needing to create the circumstances of his birth?
>>736493749It's entirely possible that there are other timelines where Delta does not trap everyone in the Mars facility, but those are not relevant to the story. Just like how in VLR there could be branches of the timeline where Sigma can't solve an escape room and dies, we don't see those because they aren't important to the story.
>>736493261Because the information was never sent here in the first place if he was never born? For me to receive your dick pics you need to have a dick in the first place. Can you fax me pictures of your dick after it's been cut off, or if you currently exist in a timeline where you were born without one? Why does this need to be explained?
>>736436372god this game's ending pisses me offthe twist was that everyone was just lying to everyone else for no reason>Junpei! I kidnapped a bunch of people and spent years of my life coordinating this ridiculous operation so that you could save my life in the past!>No I don't know why I had to pretend to be my own victim, or why I had to kidnap a random milf, or why my brother had to be here, or why clover is here>I also used this opportunity to set up an elaborate trap for an evil CEO, which obviously puts everyone here in risk of being murdered for no reason. I could've just killed the people I wanted revenge on when I kidnapped them but it had to be this way because- because it had to okay!?>anyway my grand plan only works if you think you're in imminent danger, which is why I lied to you about the exploding bracelets, anyway now I'm gonna lock you in an actual incinerator for the last part! teehee!>what? that defeats the entire purpose of setting this up as a nonary game? I don't know what those words mean!
>>736493910He was born though. Just at a different point in time. Anon I beg you, please start treating the one temporal dimension the same you treat spatial dimensions. A regular fax machine can fax things from a different point in space, the AFM can fax things from a different point in time.
>>736494251She had to recreate all of it because she didn't just need his help for the final puzzle, she needed his help for all the puzzles, including the overall Nonary puzzle that needs 9 people.
>>736478307i really don't like ztd's twist because it adds nothing. there was a fourth guy just off screen, so fucking what?at least sigma being an old fart recontextualizes a lot of scenes prior.
>>736494369The problem is that the "different point in time" is the future, and said future may never come to pass.If it doesn't come to pass, why is delta still here? It means that the "possibility" that he may have existed in one future is enoughIn which case, there should be a multitude of timelines filled with time travelers from "possible" futures. But the only true time traveler we encounter is delta. There's shifters but they work differently and don't physically duplicate their body through space and time. The mechanics of shifting are equally dubious, why is one shifter frm one specific timeline inhabiting carlos' body at the end of the true ending? Why couldn't another carlos from a different timeline, who was about to die, also decide to shift to the time where he won the coinflip? We have to assume an infinite number of these branches also exist then.
>>736478307The justification for VLR is that we follow sigma's perspective and he never figured it outWhat's the justification for ZTD? We follow the camera's perspective? Why is delta hiding from the cameras? It's not like the other participants have access to them.
>>736494251LMAO This bitch forced a lot of people into a death game because she couldn't solve a 1st grade puzzle when she was a kid
>>736494827>and said future may never come to pass.But it does, as seen by the AFM printing a baby Delta.
>>736494949All participants already know about Delta anyway.
>>736494251She actually just really wanted Junpei's dick and manufactured all of this to get closer to him. >>736494971The final sudoku puzzle was hilarious
>>736494994It does in one possible future but not all.
>>736436372I played this game ages ago on the DS, finished, through the ending was stupid and never cared about the series.I've been scrolling through the thread and I hardly remember anything about it.>>736437026I remember this guys autistic ow the edge story about bloody santa claus>>736457567I remember these tits>>736460201I think this was the ending that really annoyed me>>736463601I remember this bitch being a psycho with an axThat's it. The rest is like it has been wiped from my memory. I only wonder if I did it on purpose because I got that offended by the ending or if it was just that boring that I naturally forgot. I vaguely remember being entranced by the game at the start of playing it.
>>736494949The camera just conveniently never shows Delta until the twist. If you look very closely you can see his shadow sometimes, but the twist still doesn't add anything. It's a twist for the sake of having one, honestly.
>>736495138It's not a possible future, it an assured one. This one future is enough because all futures branching of are equally as valid. This is not S;G where only one world line is active.
>>736462770>>736443252Wasn't this not even her outfit? It was a disguise she was in when she got captured
Any horror game/movies/whatever recommendations of people stuck in a death game?
>>736495164that's the worst part is that the actual escape room gameplay is pretty good, and the dialogue writing isn't awful for the most part.It's just the actual plot itself was written backwards from the premise and is completely fucking retarded
>>736495224What do you mean by "assured" future and what's the distinction between that and "possible future"?It's something that happens in one branch. But not in the others. Therefore it is a potential, possible future. It exists among an infinite numbers of possiblities and branches.
>>736495320battle royale (2000)
>>736495343Assured meaning that the branch exists. Baby Delta is scanned and his information is sent back up the branch. Yes he wasn't born in branch X but he was in branch Y. That is enough for his information to get send back. I can receive pizza from pizza place Y without pizza place X making me one.
>>736494971>because she couldn't solve a 1st grade puzzle when she was a kidi'd like to see the 1st grader who could solve this on their own
>>736495598finished. thoughts on Battle Royale: Enforcers? It's okay so far but I think it's missing that grit that the first one had.
>>736495641Yes so all branches happen and exist. In which case everything that ever happens in every branch should affect the past constantlyThere should be a branch where carlos shifts to the good timeline where he won the coinflip after activating the force quit box. Only to be forcibly booted out of his body because another carlos shifted to that timeline as well right before dying inside the shelter.
>>736495831No, you cannot affect the past directly, you can only create branches. You cannot go back in time, kill Hitler and suddenly there was no WW2 in your original timeline. You just created a branch where Hitler is dead and other wacky stuff will happen.
>>736495764didn't know there was a sequel
>>736495964That doesn't contradict what I said, there should be a branch where a million people taveled back in time to where the decision game took place. It would just be another branch created by time travelers.
>>736495754I was definitely able to solve a sudoku when I was 12 years old
>>736496147What your point then? Weird branches could exist? Yeah we know.
nobody has posted it yet?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfOsjVT8mlU
>>736496309It's strange that the branches we get aren't weirder considering every future that can ever happen is apparently able to interact with them
>>736496469I couldn't find this video, thank you Anon
>>736441701>still pretending VLR is any better than ZTDBoth are equal.
>>736496481We have a limited cast of people, most not even aware of their powers, AFM could have more limits we don't know about because it was always just a stupid plot device and the game wants to tell a semi-coherent story. Your "what-if" scenarios were never the point.
>>736494971no one can solve a sudoku in 5 minutes. let alone someone who's never completed in in his life before
>>736496764Yeah so it's a contrived plot device that doesn't really make sense, which was my original point
>>736496716VLR has much better puzzles.
>>736496835It's dumb but makes perfect sense in what it does. Your actual problem is that you do not comprehend basic causal loops.
>>736496820she actually had 15 minutes to do it, she just spent the first 10 minutes crying like a dumb bitch
>>736496968>causal loop>doesn't have a causeok buddy
>>736497063You are starting to get it.
>>736497257A casual loop in a time travel story usually involves an event in the future causing itself to happen in the pastHere Delta exists in the past in most timelines because....he just does. And in one timeline, he happens to actually be born, which is actually irrelevant and has no bearing on whether or not he will actually be part of the timeline either way. This is retarded and my point has been proven, so there is no need to argue further.
>>736487413It goes full retard, and you've probably been spoiled already but the puzzle rooms are at least better than in 999.
>>736497604>Here Delta exists in the past in most timelines because.......he was sent back in time as a baby and we experience timelines branching off after this event.>And in one timeline, he happens to actually be born, which is actually......relevant to him existing in the past in the first place.See, this is the causal loop.
>>736498013>relevant to him existing in the past in the first place.But it's not. He exists even in the timelines where he is never born in the shelter
>>736498187He only exists in these timelines because he was born in the shelter.
>>736498283He wasn't, to be clear.
>>736498407He was. In every single timeline you can trace Delta's life back to the point where he was born in the shelter.
>>736498476Which never happened
>>736496132It has multiple lol
>>736498603You could actually play the game and see that he was actually born in the shelter. That's not debatable.
which costume is more iconic the ZTD plague doctor or 999 zero?
>>736498760I did and that only happens in one of the side branches, it doesn't happen most of the time
>>736499062Here's a little flow chart of timelines where Delta exists. Put your finger anywhere on the timeline and go against the flow of time to see if you reach the point where Delta was born. Can you point where you don't reach it? Hint: You can't.
>>736499426Oops it looks like on the "true end" branch, delta isn't born, therefore he isn't sent back to the past, therefore his entire existence is an unexplainable mystery. What a complex being.
>>736478413you're a complete retard
>>736499045The plague doctor suit is more iconic since we actually get to see a full body zero in VLR but zero’s role in 999 is more impactful
>>736483538only remember11 since it's like 20 hours max without any stupid filler
>>736499234Best girl in both games
>>736478413Alice is actually All-Ice, she just lied to hide her true identity
>>736499892before playing VLR I thought she was a genderbend noel
>>736495320bump. try to be a bit more obscure i've already known about the mainstream stuff already
>>736499234She was supposed to be able to jump kick like that because of a specific reason in VLR
>>736487069it's pretty complex
>>736500612There's a really short flash game called No One Has To Die, worth a play, though it's not really a death game it's in the same aurasphere as them.
Have you apologized to the funyarinpa today?
COMPLEXOMPLEX
Does Junpei act the same in 999 as he does in ZTD and I just didn't notice it because he's the POV character?
>>736507520No. ZTD has him as way more of a downer.
>>736507520Junpei definitely makes it sound like he was a detective working on some fucked up cases before the Mars mission happens, and he doesn't make bad jokes as much.
>>736507520>>736507641It's interesting to note that he's way more in-character in the actual escape room dialogue in ZTD, it's like they had completely different writers or localizers or something. the cutscenes are written like some amazon prime original movie garbage
>>736507520dude I saw some shit, dude the things I saw, dude
>>736499892lmao Phi is just skin and bones, I don't know why Sigma would want to see her using a bikini
>>736508747Because he's a man of excellent taste, of most excellent fancy? DFC superiority.
Baby making sex with Phi
I didn't beat the final route yet but I'm sad the final puzzle solution was spoiled to me. Should I might as well switch to the Nonary Games now?
>>736509319god LORD dem hips
>>736483538Remember11 is his best work. But it's also literally unfinished.
>>736441701Wait she's zero? I just started the game a few hours ago
>>736510491No, the meme is taken out of context to fit the format of the memeAlso LEAVE THE THREAD THAT'S FILLED WITH SPOILERS IF YOU HAVEN'T FINISHED THE GAME
>>736510491why would you read the thread before you finish the game? get out before someone spoils the entire series
>>736499426>>736499589You're both idiots making it seem more complex than it is.The first idiot doesn't know how to explain and keeps using retarded food analogies.The second idiot doesn't understand that Delta already exists in all ZTD timelines, he has to, he can't not exist because if he doesn't exist then the shelter experiment can't happen since he's Zero 2nd AKA the creator of the experiment.You're focusing on "he wasn't born in this timeline" and not the fact that he already exists in it and he does because he was sent there by the alien machine from the timeline where he was born. It's not his birth that he needs to ensure through the experiment, it's the creation of the timeline where that happens that will in turn lead to the point in time that all the timelines branch from (including that one where he was born) being created. With that point in time being created, the timeline where he was born will also be created, alongside all the other timelines.Does that answer your repeated question of how he exists in the True Ending timeline despite literally being there doing the coinflip, in the shelter he created? This is no different from Akane existing in all the different timelines during 999 despite being saved in just one.
>>736510491are you actually retarded?
>>736510884>he already exists in it and he does because he was sent there by the alien machine from the timeline where he was bornSo the explanation is that the alien fax machine sends something to every single timeline at once?
If I'm following correctly so far>zero escape time travel = dragonball time travel>delta = future trunks>he already exists in his own timeline of sorts (the underground shelter where sigma fucked diana) and no action he takes in this timeline will affect his birth anymore>his motive to run the decision game is far too complex to be understood, but does not really have anything to do with ensuring his birth despite his claim>somehow no other time travellers are encountered despite the fact that every instance of time travel creates a branching timeline
>>736511675There are multiple time travelers in the game.
been years since I played the games, but what was delta whole thing about the virus shit to kill a single terrorist or whatever snail life is simply unfair complex motives
>>736512009somehow he learned that a terrorist was going to destroy the entire world, but was never able to find out who that terrorist was. so he immediately released a virus to kill 75% of the world's population instead of obtaining more information. also, he doesn't actually release the virus in the majority of the outcomes of the decision game so I guess he forgets about it halfway through.
>>736509554The final route has a bunch of plot you should read, even if it doesn't matter in future games.
I was unironically following the series until they introduced aliens>inb4 but time travel magic powers and shityes it's retarded but aliens is just a handwaved nonsense shit
>>736511675No, because Future Trunks is a time traveler, which Delta is not.Delta is a mind reader/psychic puppeteer that has read the minds of those who can time travel, and seen a future that's so bad that he planned a murder escape room that would end up killing a majority of the Earth's population because that ends up killing the guy that would end up killing all of the world's population instead. He also has to create the setting in which he's conceived, because he's a time displaced copy of a child born in one of the bad endings of the murder escape room.
>>736512885Delta is a time traveler in the sense that his body was copied and sent back in time to 1901 or whenever that was.
what the fuck did mindhack even did anyway? read minds?
>>736512984That's the fun thing, he never time traveled. The device he was put into is essentially a 3d time photocopier. At best, the data he's based on is from another timeline, but the baby who he was copied from died in a bunker from starvation. His sister has an equally weird origin, as she was copied twice, once during the events of ZTD, and then again right after they were pulled out of the machine, sent to 20 something years before the events of the game. Then the early 1900s one became a scientist and worked at the facility, where she saw a time displaced version of herself copied 60 years later, who she then raised as her own daughter despite them being genetically identical.
>>736513660That still makes it time travel. You're sending information to build a person from the future. Without the original person to copy the information from, there is nothing, so time travel is a necessary component of his existence.
>>736513134It hacked minds, duhdoy
>>736513134Mind reading and possession, at least.
>>736513134It was a way to justify timelines where people did shit they would never actually choose to do
i think they mention in one of the games that he brain could be something like a monitor and it's just receiving a signal from somewhere, and your consciousness comes from that thing that's sending the signal, whatever it isfor some reason out of all the pseudoscience in these games that one feels most plausible to me. you could even imagine a single giant transmitter relaying a signal to every single living thing, causing all of them to have "separate" experiences and points of view despite it all coming from the same source
