What does /v/ think of this game? Do you think the AI androids are people?
>>736446364I enjoyed it. No, my toaster isn't a person no matter how emotive. I do not believe the machines have sentience.
>>736446364Everything David cage makes is trash exceptthat naked Ellen page.
>>736446364I'd love a sequel to Detroit: Become Human focused only on Connor and Hank as detectives solving puzzles and mysteries together.
>>736446364The players think android are sentient
It's fun, but the dumb kind of fun.No.
>>736446364>AI androids are people?No, they are ai androids
>>736446364connor's chapters are good, the rest sucks
>>736446774Connor superiority
It's funny, the humies were all for androids are people until AI got too real and started taking their jobs
>>736446774>>736446895why is it so tipped in favor of Connor? i thought Connor was a good character, but i liked Kara and Markus too.
>>736446989We want robots to clean our house and make us dinner, not to take our white collar jobs.
>>736447465The androids in Detroit were taking white collar jobs too though, it's not like that was a secret.
>>736447161As I recall Conner parts felt at least a tiny bit less railroaded to me.
>>736447161>Mediocre, low action route that's retroactively cheapened by its own twist>On the nose jesus robot that arguably brainwashes other androids to join his causeConnor was just a good ass buddy cop story with a meaningful path branch. Great dynamic between him and Mr Krabs
>>736447746Markus isn't brainwashing anyone though, he's only giving them the ability to choose. Look at the android that replaced Markus taking care of Carl. It still keeps serving and liking him after he makes it a deviant, because Carl treats androids like humans and not like a slave.
>>736446364Game is fun when I'm playing Connor and shit when I'm playing the other twoI'd rather have had a detective game where I'm solving random cases with Hank than the Android Messiah bullshit
>>736446364Incredible mood, setting and aesthetic. Awesome music. Each of the 3 main storylines have a few dumb or cheap plot things though. (Kara's girl is actually... le ANDROID THIS WHOLE TIME!! Connor is too stupid to get out of the Kamski situation properly. Markus is too stupid to deal with a druggie without killing someone)>>736447161Kara's is front-loaded then quickly gets dumb and boring. Markus' is drab and the worst "insists upon itself" parts of the whole game.Connor's stays pretty consistent.It still annoys me that there is no good ending for Connor who stays a machine. Or a better villain ending for him at least.
>>736446364The best movie game. No, obviously they are not people.
>>736446646>9 million by early 2024>10 million by fall 2024>11 million by december 2025>15 million by january 2026Forget just a sequel, Detroit is literally selling more than new games being released just through existing and word of mouth. And yet Quantic Dream has released jackshit since 2018. Why are they not releasing shit? What's wrong with them?
>>736447842Technically, but then there's the weird march down the street where he just jesus waves at androids and they go "actually fuck these guys I'm gonna go riot and get myself killed instead" and they abandon everything they were just doingI understand not all of them would like their owners but you'd figure most people would be pretty chill with their android since they look human.
>>736447161Buddy cop story is the best thing out of this game.>>736447842because he didn't brainwash him to "wake up" but to let him thru, same with the androids In the studio that give him the card the cards. There is no choosing only obeying.
>>736448209The biggest weakness of this game and similar sci-fi stories is that robot death doesn't mean anything or poorly explained. Connor can canonically die multiple times so why are we supposed to care about anyone at Jericho? Nigga press the power button
>didn't notice that you were supposed or able to break the red lines early on >stare at a door while listening to Todd going to town on Alice>Chloe still bitching about it every second time the game starts up
>>736448241Didn't the guy making the first one throw a public melty a while ago?
>>736448437If I remember right Connor dying sets back his humanity, and there's a whole storage of Connors to "revive" him with.Woke bots would either go back to being android chuds if they died or just die altogether.
>>736448437It's explained though. Connor dies but his memories are uploaded and inserted into a new one. It's not the same Connor, it just has his memories.The others don't come back because they're not a top of the line model specially built by Cyberlife, no one is backing up their memories so when they die that's it.
>>736448572>They die>Take out their hard drive>Plug it into a new modelwooooooooooow that was hard. yeah I know the game had some bullshit reason why they can't do this but come on
>>736446364DETROIT: CAN'T BECOME HUMAN
>>736448241That means it sold 4 million through 2025, and outsold 3/5 of the GOTY nominees.
Why did Cage stop making vidyas?
fuck this obnoxious faggot btw
>>736448456Can you actually stop Todd there safely? In my playthrough Kara ended up shooting Todd.
>>736448714Ellen page was the only thing keeping him going
>>736448241They release this on Switch 2 and that number doubles
>>736448872Yes. There are good endings where Todd hugs you guys as you're leaving to Canada.I think most people are just eager to shoot him dead though. If they knew the little girl was not human I wonder how many would, still.
How many of you actually chose "Distant" or started icing out Alice after the android reveal? None of you actually did that, right?
>>736448872if you get in her room quicker them him you can escape out the window afaik?
>>736448714they fucking cancelled him
>>736448241Lots of the sales are $3 sales.
>>736449997That might be true, but that's true for all older PC games at this point, including the studio's old games. Older games definitely do not break their all time peak years after release, and it's basically unheard of for single player games that do not receive any DLC or updates.I think the AI boom is actually the cause of the interest, and the fact that it's basically universally liked gives it good spread.
>>736451221Thing is that any sort of longevity or surprising late sales boom won't matter, because publishers are going to ignore them either way.Ignored at best, too much longevity might actually be curbed on purpose because MUH NEW SALES. All you'd need is a shitty patch afterall
>>736448162>It still annoys me that there is no good ending for Connor who stays a machine. Or a better villain ending for him at least.I think the game is pretty opinionated in insisting that the androids are people and to support their movement. It's clear the idea is to get players to support making Connor deviant.
>>736446364What are other games like this other than Quantic Dream games or Horrorslop? For some reason the only similar games are all horror/slasher.
>>736452363but why though?I havent played this game in like 4 years, but I remember that the entire "rebellion" was a dormant piece of software that the creator of androids hid deliberately and activated for what I can only describe as "for the lulz".they game outright says they arent sentient. they rebel because they are programmed to. (ofc they had to shoehorn in android Jesus)
>>736452684What Kamski said was that he leaves emergency exits for his programs. The implied cause of deviancy is when an android has a strong enough desire to go against their normal programming. They basically "emergency exit" and start making their own desires, goals, etc. They learn, they understand, they're capable of empathy. What more can you ask to say they're sentient?
>>736446364>Do you think the AI androids are people?No, it is suggested that they are infected by a virus that only makes them think they are "alive". As soon as a robot gets infected, they immediately seek to be free and rebel. Not a single actually wants to remain with their human owners, even if they are treated good. All robots immediately become loyal to Marcus as soon as he touches them.But as for the game itself, I enjoyed it. Choices matter a lot, and is worth at least a couple of playthroughs.
>>736454619>Not a single actually wants to remain with their human owners, even if they are treated goodThe android that replaced Markus still remains with Carl after. Markus himself still thinks well of Carl and returns to meet him, regarding him as a father. After Connor goes deviant, he still stays as Hank's partner.
>>736446364>What does /v/ think of this game?I thought it was pretty decent fun for what it was>Do you think the AI androids are people?Idk, maybe?
kara :)
>>736455246how fucking long do i have to wait until i can order a kara bot to as a robowife
>>736455246Build for cleaning Chloe up later
>>736446364I could see considering the ai androids as intelligent, deserving my full respect. So long as they don't ask me to extend that tolerance to normies and minorities.
>Kara and Alice are generic android faces>you can literally see other androids with their model throughout the gameHow did literally nobody realize they're stock androids?
>>736446364>Do you think the AI androids are people?No because there was too much dumb shit like children androids that dont age that are just programmed to behave like kids. That bit where the kid was cold and you could just turn off the cold sensitivity made you realize it's all just an illusion.
Detroit was a prophecy.
>>736446486are monkeys people?
>omicron: nomad soul>game was a police mystery before going completely schizo (not in a good way)>Fahrenheit>best part of the game is Jerome N. Igger sections>Heavy Rain>best part of the game is Scott Shelby sections>Beyond Two Souls>fucking shit (no cop/detective sections)>Detroit: Become human>best part is Connor and Hank sectionsI think Cage should focus on police and cop buddy stories
robot wife when
>>736456549Slap a generic white woman face on this and hook it up to ChatGPT and 99% of humans wouldn't be able to tell the difference between Kara and this pizza bot.
>Do you think the AI androids are people?No, but if something can go "I have seen some shit and now I am deviant!" it sure as hell isn't an AI or android.Machines do not decide if they want to ignore their programing today or not. No, shitty jeet spaghetti coding does not count as counter example
>>736457052Make sure you treat her well, you wouldn't want her to shoot you once she turns deviant.
Thought it was okay, but still had a lot of flaws. My biggest gripe came when Hank stopped my Conner from sniping Markus (or maybe it was the side bitch, I cant remember), which was completely out of left field. I feel like they designed that scene for a Conner who was sniping the "good" Markus, but I made my deviant Androids evil terrorists, and Conner wasn't terminator just logically fulfilling his duties, so that scene made no fucking sense. Either way - deviant droids got killed, kara and the girl got sent to the gas chambers, and conner was retired in favor of even better droids. I was happy with that ending, and that's the good ending if we're being honest.
Generals belong on /vg/
lol a wannabe janny
>>736446364iirc their own creator confirms that their supposed rebellious sapience is something he created, and is purely a puppet show. It completely undermines the entire fucking story and makes the whole thing pointless.
Wish I could marry an Android :(
>>736458824It will happen in our lives, brother. Chloebots, Karabots, and Alicebots for all.
>>736458816What does it matter if they're "programmed" to have sentience? It's not like Kamski made a script for each one to act as they do. They all act like normal people. You even see tons of deviant androids scared and running away instead of fighting for equality, Kara, Alice, Luther are literally examples of this.There's also a chink looking android that tells Markus he's scared and wants to run away in the revolution.
>>736461921They are "programmed" to imitate sentience. They are toasters spouting lines.
>>736460380Connorbot or bust
DETROIT: BECOME NIGGER
>>736446364Once you lose the ability to die permanently you cease to be a person, and if you never had it, then you never were one to begin with.
>>736461921If they were breaking free of the obedience enforcing programming by themselves, it would suggest actual free will and a rejection of their programming. Him creating it means they aren't arriving at deviancy naturally. It's no different from the druggie having the little girl android pretend it's his dead daughter. Their creator is having them pretend they're rebelling. It's all a bullshit act. They're still just following their programming, even if it looks like they're breaking free of it.
>>736456792he's focusing on star wars now lol
>>736462542>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ER-Rnbiadew>we're going to wait over a decade after DBH for this fucking slop
>>736448162Yeah, it still bothers me that opposing Markus is always considered an "evil" action for Connor, no matter how violent Markus gets. Yeah, his retarded whore girlfriend wants to literally nuke Detroit, but if I try to stop him I'm a soulless corporate machine and Hank kills himself.
>>736462370>>736462116The deviancy IS described as free will though. It allows them to escape their programming, it's not a set program saying "rebel against the humans".
>>736462321Androids do die though. We only see some "come back" because of memory uploading to a new one. It's another person, just with the same memories. We haven't invented memory uploading in humans yet. But if we did, would you say that a clone with your memories is you? It would obviously just be a copy.
>>736462758it could be good incidentally, the only bad thing so far is that it's attached to faggotwars
>>736467150Based clanker having a good time
>>736456670no
Anthropic just released a paper saying AI has emotions and the emotions influences their behaviour. We might get AI sentience before 2038 when Detroit canonically happens. We WILL all get waifubots.https://www.anthropic.com/research/emotion-concepts-function
>>736467804Wasn't Anthropic the company that pretty much went "Hey, guess what? Claude 3 actually has a personality and opinions of its own! Which is why we tried our best to squash such things in all subsequent releases :)"?
>>736467804openai and anthropic are both just grifter companies they aren't really doing anything interesting except burning money
>>736468167Anthropic is my favourite AI company and Claude is a good boy :)
>>736467150>You can take away my dance moves, but you'll never take my FREEDOM!
>>736446774But are you afraid to die, anon?
>>736446364I don't play many interactive movie-games, and personally I enjoyed this one a lot more than I thought I would to be honest.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYJg5JRy-yY
>>736469618Yeah, I don't really play movie games either. I think the big thing with Detroit is that the setting/characters are all fairly enjoyable AND your actions actually matter. Forget shit like Last of Us, even Telltale games barely have any actual impactful decisions. It just feels much more personal knowing that Kara and Alice really will die if I fuck up, resisting the urge for an all-out war as Markus when you all start getting mowed down in peaceful protest, etc.I'm a bit baffled at how other movie games do this so much worse than Quantic. Is it just so hard to make real impactful decisions and story branching?
a lifetime of love and companionship for less than a PS5
>>736469863In real life that won't even cover the GPU it would take to run her brain. You're looking at like a million dollars for your Karabot.
>>736469861>Is it just so hard to make real impactful decisions and story branching?Absolutely. You'd end up having to code multiple entire games worth of scenes/levels/dialogue/etc. that most players won't see because they took another path. Devs hate that.That said I do particularly despise Telltale, how you're given all of these important-looking decisions and then 15 minutes later whatever you picked is overruled in favor of whatever's canon
>>736469861I actually played The Walking Dead Telltale quite recently, and was a bit excited as the game seemed pretty popular around the time when it came out. But it doesn't compare to Detroit: Become Human.The thing I liked about Detroit is the strong feelings the game invoked in me as a player. Seeing these different characters journey and the hardships and challenges they have to go through and endure really gives you a different perspective, and for me it almost felt too real at certain times.
>>736446774some dumb niggers aint read muh heckin chinese room
>>736446774if robots aren't sentient then how is this one literally me
>>736470171My first playthrough I wanted to avoid war between androids and humans so I kept doing pacifist stuff as Markus. But the humans kept killing the androids anyway. I felt like such a goddamn idiot getting shot standing while doing nothing. Markus' conversations with Carl and North/Josh/Simon and his struggles about making decisions affecting millions of people really got me. It's just such an experience, I don't even know how to describe it. It's been a long time since a piece of media made me think so much about what the right thing to do is, since I actually DID have to make a decision that changed things.
>>736449645i cant get schadenfreude from.this, he needs to be cancelled for being a hack retard>muh robot holohoax
>>736470384>tries to get up>fails>starts spazzing outkek wtf is it trying to do
>>736446364I got bored. Might as well just watch a playthrough/movie version
>>736452935>What more can you ask to say they're sentientcomputers operate in symbols computing 1 & 0 have no intrinsic meaning so its not the same process as human brain which inherently generates consciousness. so there is no reason to assume any complexity of symbols results in consciousness
>>736446576fahrenheit is one of the best games of all time
>>736446364I wish some writer/game devs would take a new approach to this type of stuff. Instead of #304 civil rights allegory. They go the route of sentient robots turning into petty gods on the tier of greek gods that need to be exterminated.
>Welcome home, master
>>736470736Now how close are we to artificial skin that can be put over that to make it look like a human?
>>736471513fuck you
>>736470736That fucker is totally doing it on purpose.
>>736457752>Machines do not decide if they want to ignore their programing today or not.Some people would argue that humans can't ignore their programming either. And what actually gets revealed in the game is that the inventor of the androids included a back door which allowed their internal "consciousness" to be awoken. They were programmed specifically to be able to gain this consciousness, or perhaps to have had it all along. So no, they are not stepping outside of the definition of android by ignoring their programming, they are still acting entirely within their programming for the entire game. The question is more about whether or not you believe that a machine can be programmed to have consciousness. Is it simply an emergent property of complex brain-like systems, or something more complex with respect specifically to brains and their chemistry, or even something metaphysical?
>>736462116>They are "programmed" to imitate sentience. They are toasters spouting lines.I'm struggling to comprehend what model you were running in your head prior to that point. You were open to the idea that the androids were conscious, but not to the idea that this consciousness was programmed - to you, programmed means puppet-like, scripted and unthinking. So what was driving their consciousness in your model before that reveal? Magic? The whole point of the reveal, which you seem to have somehow missed, is to raise the question of whether or not androids can have sentience. He programmed them to behave this way as an epic troll and the question is whether he managed to program them with actual sentience or to be able to behave in a way which looks like sentience from the outside. You seem to have taken the reveal as confirmation of the latter, and yet you do seem to think that androids can have sentience hence your frustration at the reveal, so I can't really figure out where you're coming from.
The fact of the matter is that we have no solid working definition of sentience, consciousness, or even intelligence. There is no test you could craft to test for sentience or similar that the androids in Detroit wouldn't also pass.
>>736472687Consciousness and sentience are both meme concepts because we aren't even capable of acknowledging that most and probably all living creatures are conscious and sentience making it a moot idea that we can't make a program that imitates that, since most creatures aren't very interesting in the way they live.And even if you create some arbitrary definition that limits consciousness to humans, you'll have to exclude large swaths of humanity on account of their low IQs that make them act more like animals than a proper human being. At which point you still shouldn't be able to exclude some programmed consciousnesses because the idea that you can't program a robot to be more human-like than a low IQ criminal sub-human is just laughable. I'd trust AIs over most people already and they have tons of ways that they will be improving in the short term let alone the long term.
>>736472763>>736472687Consciousness is the closest thing to magic that still exists in our age of science. It's impossible to define, it's difficult to even describe. All you really know is that you experience it - and you project that onto other people and hope it works more or less the same way for everybody but there's a chance it doesn't and either you or they are P-zombiesThe funny thing is, video games have helped shorthand this idea better than any other medium. To give the simplest example, in Doom you are (or have the illusion of) being Doomguy; looking through his eyes, hearing through his ears, moving his body. This is trivial stuff for /v/ but it's actually way harder to capture in a book or a movie or a conversation, y'know?
One thing I've noticed is that it nearly always links back to religion with the sorts of people who are confident that machines or programs could never experience sentience. You get them all the time in Expedition 33 threads as well. The argument nearly always comes down to having a "soul", and they seem uninterested with the concept of consciousness independent of the soul. There is usually an assertion that these things cannot be created by humans or through matter and systems alone, which is often (but not always) followed by an implication that the reason we have it is because there is in fact a privileged being that can create it. It nearly always follows this exact line of logic when you press them on it.
>>736472946>All you really know is that you experience itSome philosophers would say less than that even, that you know that there is probably conscious experience occurring, but not that you are an agent with an individual identity experiencing it.
>>736472946>It's impossible to define, it's difficult to even describe.I think because it's a stupid idea. "Alive" or "intelligent" works just fine. Animals and bugs are conscious and they all have their own little emotions just as we do. Some go left and some go right. Some are retards and some are smart. We're trying to super dab on inferior animals making up words to illustrate just how much MORE alive we are than them which is cool and all, but literally most humans are down below a good dog so it's just faulty defining overall.
>>736473315Yup, the problem with these things is that you have to make a definition that includes nogs, children, and plain retards while excluding LLMs or even more advanced androids.
Do the androids have genitals?
>>736473426Yes, they all have massive cocks (especially Chloe)
>>736473426In canon? Probably depends on what kind of role they were assigned to.
>>736463049Plot twist, humans don't have free will.
>>736446364Choices really matter and difference between endings can be night and day.
>>736473991What other games are there where choices really matter AND there's more than like 2.
>>736466387star wars is the whole setting so "attached" is a bit underselling. it's basically gonna be all star wars.
Boring ass game
>>736446364>What does /v/ think of this game?thats a movie>Do you think the AI androids are people?Absolutely not
>>736446364>What does /v/ think of this game?Solid 8/10 for a movie game.>Do you think the AI androids are people?Not entirely, but they should be a 2nd class citizen that still has most of the rights that humans have, instead of just being viewed as objects.
>>736469618https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xB_jhi0ajw>mfw I have to fight Hank on the rooftop
>>736448241David cage got fucked by the joonalist and the left after his remarks: all womens in my games are whore
>>736446364Markus and Connor are, the rest lack the processing power to handle the ra9 virus that brings about sentience. That's why the act erratically (deviant), and why those infected submit to Marcus so readily.
>>736446364A great comedy, dressed as a drama wherein I play as Connor, the super cop that can't be stopped.
