>be windmill tower>mindbreak millions
Yeah, that's what happens when an idiot designs a game.
>>736456183He couldn't possibly have millions of personas...
>>736456183Makes no sense for it to host the entrance to Iron Keep.
>>736456350It does, you can go up there and burn the windmill, the boss Mytha is in an area behind the the tower, you go through a long hallway to find her then after you kill her, you go through another hallway that takes you to the elevator, i don't understand why so many mouthbreather latched on to this when it can easily be disproven
>>736456607You know what I mean.The elevator isn't actually connected to anything on its own, you just load into a new area that can't possibly exist, considering the distance that you travel to get there. It's lazy as fuck. Not to mention the orange skybox that's not seen from anywhere outside.
>>736457716NTA but this was debunked years ago
What the fuck? What kind of game has Giants that look that scary?
>replace the elevator with a teleport >no one cares
Ds2 has a mansion with an elevator that leads to mountains in the sky with dragons and no one ever brings it up instead retards focus on the one tower that actually makes sense design wise
>>736459009It even worse when you look at the collision map
>>736459009The point is that the scope of the layout is fucked up. DS1 doesn't have this issue. Yes, you could explain how it's SUPPOSED to function but it's not how it does. The game literally switches scenes mid elevator ride. You're expected to believe that you travel an elden ring map worth of distance in 15 minutes,
>>736459859I just showed you how it's laid out. Earthen Peak is under Iron Keep
>>736460056So the only way into the keep of the region's king is through a random woman's bathroom?
>>736460056It's not. It's not the actual layout. Also your schematic doesn't even make sense, you'd literally have to have a mountain with an active volcano be hangin in the air.
>>736456183>THAT'S RIGHT COCKSUCKER! GO BACK TO THE THINGS BETWIXT!
>>736460226You're not entering the keep of the region's king, you're entering the dilapidated ruins of his keep>>736460350It's not an outcrop at the top of a mountain, it's just a slice of the topography. Earthen peak is functionally underground, it's just that the cave is so big that you can't really tell
>>736459859>You're expected to believe that you travel an elden ring map worth of distance in 15 minutes,Because you do, there is a in-game map that shows the distance between bosses
i know /v/ hates remakes but i wish they would remake dark souls 2 but take out soul memory, way better graphics, and add back cut content like the path between the windmill and iron keep.
>>736460549Kys
>>736460549
>>736460549Not even Fromsoft is ready for a Dark Souls 2 remake, their Japanese shame prevents them from even recognizing the good aspects of that game, like clever NPC invaders and bonfire ascetics
>>736460427>>736460446Except you don't travel shit.You walk down a couple of hallways, ride an elevator for 30 seconds and get magically warped into an area that can't logically exist that close to where you were.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=621xrr_M7fs
>>736460702I just told you, Earthen Peak is underneath Iron Keep
>>736460853No it's not.
>>736460702Most of the distance is parkoured in the back of the tower numbnuts, the elevator isn't at the top of the windmill but in it's rear side and it's not a 30 second ride, the bonfire from the windmill to mytha is between two long hallways
>>736460891It is, look at the diagram >>736459009
>>736460549>way better graphics
>>736461112The entire world of ds2 would be underground then. It's not underground.>>736461072It's not connected to anything. The IK being there was just them doing a bad job at properly scaling and laying it out.
>>736459009>npc wearing an elevator helmetlol
>>736460680I don't think they are ashamed of it, the ds3 dlc has you traverse earthen peak and fight the pyro witches there
>>736461341No it's an open-faced cave. Basically like a giant hole in the side of a mountain. And on top of that mountain is Iron Keep.
>>736461575Yeah I thought about it afterwards and Elden Ring has powerstancing as well. Also I didn't play the DLC for DS3 or for Elden Ring, they started taking too long to come out and I had my fill of the games before then
Is it silly? Yes?Do I subscribe to the post-hoc rationalisation (ie "cope") that Drangleic is a place where undead lose all sense of self, time and location, resolving the Iron Keep problem? Also yes.Time and Space are convoluted, and you lost your connection to reality when you entered the ghost whirlpool at the start of the game.
>>736461674Yeah i skipped the DLC for ER aswell, the base game was so vast it burned me out
>>736461207yeah. dark souls 3 lighting isnt as good as dark souls 2. i mean remake ds2 with graphics/lighting that are better than 3 too.>ds3 graphics arent better than 2 therefore nothing can be ebtter than 2!
>>736461674>Elden Ring has powerstancing as well.it quite literally does not>everyone calls it power stancing everyone is retarded.
Looks like a ps2 game
>>736462324That would explain all the soul.
>>736460702There is an example of non-sensical design, it's aldia's mansion having an elevator to the dragon shrine, this earthen peak example you are constantly obsessed with is not it, there are plenty of logical explanations for it
>>736462264It is power stancing except you don't have to hold in a button.
>>736463176>there are plenty of logical explanations for itIt doesn't function like it's supposed to. They cheated there.Your example is also correct.
>>736460702Drangleic is not 1:1 in-game. Obviously this isn't what the developers originally wanted, but that's the canon explanation.
it makes perfect sense stop being retards
>>736456183Retards still do not understand the beauty of DS2 story. Your character is literally losing his mind. The deeper you go, the more reality breaks down.
>>736465720that would have been a big ass boss arena before the elevator.
I like how we have DS2 apologists in this thread who are arguing both that "it does make sense" and "it doesn't make sense, and that's on purpose and thematic."
Is Seeker of Fire any good? Apparently it rearranges the world and actually puts in background details so it all makes more sense, still kinda feels like a slightly less mean vanilla so far but it's only the start.Ogres can eat my ass.
>setting a metal bearing on fire drains a poison pool at the top of the towerThat's exactly what I thought when I saw the windmill.
I still don't understand the intro cutscene. The protagonist just jumped into the lake then traveled through time?
>>736468508You do understand it.
>>736465737*only manifests in nondescript elevators and corridors and the inability to walk around or jump over minor obstacles
>>736456183I don't really care. Iron peak is cool
>>736469118Based video game enjoyer.
>>736459009Those clouds aren't real
>>736465537Why are small, compact and selfcontained areas affected by this, too, then?Why did they make it so that you walk five meters into the cliffside at the Bastille, ride an elevator and then walk out of it in the same goddamn direction?Why didn't they just fucking rotate that tiny section by 180°?
>>736456183>Chad elevator that doesn't care if it breaks logic>Virgin fade-to-black that's insecure about consistency of facts and science
Logic is gay, there's a reason why GTAV's open-world felt boring, while SA's bullshit openworld that had barren wasteland 15 minute drive away from city felt grand and fun
>>736468508>Protagonist is searching the world for a way to cure going Hollow.>During travels hears from an old crone (Who is actually The Emerald Maiden) that a kingdom called Drangleic might have a cure.>Searches for a way to get there.>Finds a spooky portal to the Things Betwixt (aka the Hallway of Doors from the Matrix movies)>Uses it to travel to Drangleic.
>>736460680why did they put references to it in DS3 then
>>736471205>>736461674
>>736460371He was gay, Vendrick?
>>736456183Is crazy how people have never noticed that it's literally Alice in wonderland.Look at the reflection in the lake from the intro sequence.
>>736468276>it's funny how these people have different opinions and aren't just parroting talking points What did he possibly mean by this?
>>736473685What am I supposed to be seeing here?
>>736473685>AI generated slop cutscene proving anything
DS2 is in an interesting position. On the one hand, loads of people are complaining about it, on the other, it’s the most iconic game in the series, with most of the modern features coming from it. DS1 and Demon’s Souls were completely different games in every respect, and DS2 was the one that finally established the foundations of the series. When you play them now, you realise that they’re just normal games and not difficult at all. Demon's Souls in particular doesn't feel like a Souls game in the usual sense at all, and it's actually really easy.
>>736456183I could tell at the start of the game that the perspective was obviously less realistic than DS1. In Majula you can see heide's tower miles in the distance but if you take a short jog on the path in the cave you are instantly there. However Earthen Peak was just such a grevious use of perspective shift, taking an elevator in to the sky on top of a broken windmill and ending up on a volcano was a hilarious "wut" moment for me
>>736473685>>736473853>>736473946Isn't it about traveling back in time my dick smells
Is it a bad time to point out Dark Souls 2 is set inside a dream much like bloodborne? Everything follows dream logic short only of falling teeth and urgency to find a place to pee. You are inside an illusion, it is in the intro.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKD7QZe3DmMYou are called into a world that is an illusion that is constantly breaking down.
>>736473946>Jeet generated post proving you are retarded
>>736474118Wow that's fucking lame and gay. Time travel is much cooler.
>>736474118Honestly I'm more willing to bet that it's more Drangleic became sort of stuck in ruin and time, and it took the right circumstances to reach it. The protagonist time traveling, the various discordant matters, are more like a sub-reality or a memory of the world that simply is utterly fucked up beyond all belief, but the kingdom existed and you're fighting through the world memory.
>>736474194
>>736456183I don't really care about the transition, but it's undeniably a kinda mid level, like most DS2 levels. The DLCs are cool though.
>>736474118The truth is that at least one location was cut. Earthen Peak were supposed to be the end of the line and Iron Keep was supposed to be in a completely different placeI wonder if any of that was eventually reworked into DLCs, DS2 feels too unfinished without them.
>>736456183Daily wholesome chungus "Dark Souls 2 was actually good guiz" sunk cost affirmation positive vibes thread : )
>>736474354Careful with those buzzwords, champ!
>>736468393its decent, i think ym favorite thing about it was it added in npcs to majula that you could summon. there was an onion bro i would always summon
>>736474074>it’s the most iconic game in the seriesdo DS2 fags actually believe this? i mean they pretty much pretended that DS2 and all its lore didn't exist for DS3.
i'm going to toast some bread
>>736474397Oop. Touched a nerve. I forget how DELICATE Dark Souls 2 fans are. Don't let me ruin your wholesome softboy vibes!
>It's OK when Bloodborne does it!
>>736474354Dark Souls 2 is goodDark Souls 2 is goodDark Souls 2 is goodDark Souls 2 is good!Dark Souls 2 is good!!
>>736456607i really appreciate that there's a little face on the sun in this shitty drawing
>>736474074DS2 is the only game left in the series with any dignity in it since streamers and speedrunners clowned on the series.They are fun to play blind but now everybody knows every trap and every strategy needed.I mean take a look at shit like this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi6SABpXjqM
>>736456183I've got your mindbreaking windmill right here.
>>736474118wonder if "it was all a dream" faggots ever realize that they are only doing the games they try to defend a disservice by resorting to the most nothing theme imaginable>perhaps you've seen it, maybe in a dream>WOW THE WHOLE GAME IS SET INSIDE A DREAM EPICincredible analytical acumen there
The only non-DLC areas in DS2 I actually like are Lost Bastille and Undead Crypt. A lot of them are OK but I could take 'em or leave 'em.
>>736474646What about Shrine of Amana? On XBox?
Reminder that DS2 lore is heckin valid and indispensable. >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm3u5PQmT0g
>>736474431DS3 borrows quite a lot from DS2. There are loads of spells, armour and other items that refer to DS2. There are also a couple of locations, like Earthen Peak from the DLC. The main NPC merchant in DS3 is literally taken from DS2.
The dark souls 2 trailer - whatever happened there?
>>736474679It's OK, it's memorable but it's a bit of a chore to replay since you have to be careful not to fall in the water and constantly watch for the sneedies, at least if you wanna get all the items. I don't mind the casters actually, sprinting for them is kinda fun or you can just use arrows.
>>736474559This. Dark Souls 2 has DIGNITY o algoPositive Dark Souls 2 Affirmations1. There is no game better to be than itself! 2. Dark Souls 2 is enough3. Dark Souls 2 gets better with every playthrough. I repeat these to myself in the mirror three times a day until I believe them.
>>736474750You don't actually have to sprint to them since the spells have poor tracking, you can just walk carefully and take your time. They'll never hit you unless you're not paying attention.
>>736474514S-SHUT UP
>>736468276HOLY jiggling tits, source?
>>736474514Bloodborne is explicitly a dream so people reasoned that away. Shit, sanity is a literal mechanic that alters your perception of certain things. Dark Souls II implies itself, and certain characters basically spell it out, that Drangleic is a discordant fuckery that makes no sense even in-universe anymore from all the curses and chaos, but it's that one meme that stuck because people act like it's some sorta "only real fans know" gotcha.
>>736456183>>736474567
>>736474431>i mean they pretty much pretended that DS2 and all its lore didn't exist for DS3.Did you fucking play DS3, nigger?
>>736474638It's just establishing the setting and it's rules. You're essentially complaining about someone telling you it's set in space as a response to you trying to claim the story makes no sense because they could just walk out the airlock to escape.
>>736456183https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhb4isNo_L8&t=100sMan...
>>736474886Just how desperate are you for attention?
>>736474341Earthen Peak would've been a side-section.The idea was that you'd activate the windmill to blow the fumes out of Harvest (actually Pooling) Valley and proceed further towards Undead Crypt (yeah, I know that this sounds retarded).It's why there are Grave Wardens in it where even the official guide is wondering why they're even there and why the wind is blowing and your cape is moving AWAY from the windmill.There's also an unused stepwell in the old mesh data of the valley that connected to some temple-esque entrance.
>>736475237video essayist-tier position, holy shit anonymousi myself have no qualms with silly windmill -> fire castle logic, as it's no worse than elden ring's nations being a single city imhobut trying to pull a NO YOU DON'T GET IT on that is just a terrible case of autism, it's no secret DS2 had some pretty big troubles during development
>>736460680If we're going to see another full from the ground up remake (ala Demon's Souls Remake, not Dark Souls Remastered) it'll be Dark Souls 1, not Dark Souls 2.Whenever they do these remakes they don't do it to the flawed gem that could be improved by a remake, they do it to the one that is already a success, aka the one that was already fucking perfect and doesn't need a remake.
>>736459009This is actually sensible and I like this idea, but it doesn't look like that at all in game and the transition is terrible and rushed. If they had actually finished the game, this could have been a really cool sequence of areas where you eventually scale your way up to the upper levels of earthen peak and realize that you're in a massive open cave once you're high enough to see past the smog. DS2 could have been so cool ffs, but I guess they weren't capable of providing a sense of scale to the world while having a bunch of different areas totally separated from each other instead of in big layers like Lordran
>>736475601You're the one trying to argue semantics over a simple concept, anon. You're complaining about people pointing out something you disagree with and then saying nothing about the actual topic, which is ironically the most video essayist comment you could possibly make.
>>736456183It's a magic elevator, nuff said
>>736476064>no uriveting stuffjust because somebody talks about dreams does not mean everything is just a dream, dork souls ain't fucking yume nikkimight as well say that all fromsoft games take place in a single universe overseen by a sparrow god or some other unfalsifiable shit>saying nothing about the actual topicthe topic is a persistent meme, born from a quick and dirty area positioningi don't know why some people insist on coming up with retarded diegetic reasons for perfectly understandable WE RAN OUT OF TIME AND MONEY LMAO production issues
>>736477486>i don't know why some people insist on coming up with retarded diegetic reasons for perfectly understandable WE RAN OUT OF TIME AND MONEY LMAO production issuesWell, they need to cope somehow
>>736456183Forget the iron keep shit, why was a windmill designed like Sens Fortress and housing a gorgon?
>>736475430>Dark Souls 2 fan criticizing anyone else for doing something for attentionPot meet kettle.
>>736462201I don't think you understand. There has NEVER been a remake with better lighting than the original game. For any franchise. It's an unspoken rule that any time a game gets remade the lighting gets ruined.
>>736456183>FromSoft shows that you just fucking walked between the areas in the announcment trilers>retards still debate it
The funny thing is that on its own the windmill is a pretty decent level.
>>736483257Not only this is not funny, it's not even true.
>>736456607>anon still deludes himself about the mill being connected to a mountain despite nothing being visible whatsoever
>>736465720the boss arena is inside the mill
>>736456607
>>736456183I've yet to see a proper explanation beyond the elevator was supposed to go down and they got their wires crossed
>>736459009>npc wearing an elevator helmetTodd worked on Dark Souls 2?
>>736468276>gif Chat bot
>>736474514Isn't that area literally called the Hunters Nightmare
>>736456607>>736459009The more you try to explain it away, the dumber you fucking get.
>>736484656>uhm it was all a dream and none of it was real, the game is shit on purpose and makes no sense on purpose
>>736459828Nothing about this makes sense in any way, you obese contrarian shithead.
>>736456183It's not even such a hard concept to understand but apperently retards are too busy being mad at a game they never played
The whole story theming of a falling-apart decaying drifting world here, is meant to map directly on to the game’s reality as a digital patchwork of zones that dont really need complete reason. Why cant you understand that
>>736484785It's not about some concept at all.
>>736459828I'd build my mansion next to the prettiest part of the entire world, too.
>>736484721It was, the location is literally, LITERALLY a bad dream, also known as a nightmare.
This shit doesn’t really matter and kind of exposes why self proclaimed dark souls 2 haters aren’t taken seriously. They actually think they are intelligent for noticing the elevator from earthen peak to iron keep is strange.
>>736484801the funny thing is when DS3 did it it was suddenly okay
>>736485223>This shit doesn’t really matterIndeed. The game has far more pressing issues like fucking soul memery.
>>736484785fuck you're right anon, now that I look at it, I just missed the massive fucking mountain with the lava pool that the mill leans against. Must be blind or something.
>>736485303>Mountain perfectly visibleYou blind
>>736474431DS3 directly borrows how Hollowing works from DS2. It does however, mostly reject DS2's ending for its own structure regarding linking the fire.
>>736484785>yeah bro just imagine big mountains behind the windmill and it starts making sense
can any of you meta gamers tell me why there are a bunch of blood stains of people comitting sudoku on the hallway leading to majula
>>736459009>>736456607Retards will draw their headcanon mspaint maps as if we can't just look at a 3d map viewer and instantly tell that is not how it is in the game lmao
>Boss is in pool of poison>Various pharros lockstones around the area >Go through effort to get more lockstones>All I get is some lame water fountainEnded up just slamming through the boss with my greatsword but that was the point where I realized I wasnt enjoying it much anymore.
>>736485346Yeah, it's like a kilometer behind the windmill.
>>736485463To scare noobs
>>736484721>>736474514yes
>>736456183I’m convinced Old Iron Keep was originally supposed to be connected to Forest of the Giants. There’s the fire theming and reused enemies between them
>>736485463Its funney. DS2 players actually have fun playing the game. Better then getting twinked 24/7 at the high wall in ds3
DS2 shit level layouts are still better than DS3 bonfire teleports everywhere
>they dont know that the protagonist is losing his memories while playing and thats why the world is dreamlike and disconnected why do you autists crave realistic.. geography in a fantasy game so much anyways
>>736485618>DS3 bonfire teleports everywhereDS2 is the one who started this trend. The world is littered with bonfires as much as 3. Even worse sometimes.
>>736485574That makes sense, especially given how you go down a literal firepit and the turtle enemies were very prominent in pre-release FotG marketing material, just for two of them to appear in one corridor in the final version. Until SotFS added a bunch more.>>736485618In DS2 you teleport everywhere as well.
Demon’s was the best one.
>>736485675>the world is dreamlike and disconnectedCope. I like how you added "dreamlike", there's nothing fucking dreamlike about it, you could say the same shit about dark souls 3.
>>736485675DS2 has the most dream-like feel of all souls games.Shit not making sense doesn't bother me at all, I'm here to have fun. Replaying DS2 is more fun than replaying DS1 for sure.
>>736461207>it has better lighting mechanics so this means the textures and models don't look like putrid shitCan DS2 fags just fuck off already? Did a youtuber make some clickbait video praising DS2 to farm views, is that why you fuckers have been uppity lately?
>>736485675The game does't articulate it artistically. They even made a throwback to it in BB where a snail girl falls from the sky on your head because the hamlet is directly above the cock tower. THAT's how you handle this stuff.
What happened to the Flames of Old lighting mod? Is that still in development?
>>736456183From the thumbnail I thought this was some kind of faceless woman showing her fat ass
>>736484785It's about the absurdity of the transition, you braindead gorilla.
>when your game is so good you have to spend a decade defending it against even the most basic criticism with made-up headcanon nonsense that is never reflected or mentioned in-game and trying to convince others it's a great game because you can break doors (this is never relevant to gameplay btw)
>>736460549They should make it harder and add even more ambushes. I love dark soul 2 but god dam the game just hates you. That's what makes it endearing.
>>736485930It's dead, Jim.Now we are waiting for PT mod.
I don't think a fanbase represents middle child syndrome any better than DS2 fans
>>736485470nobody had the 3d map viewer back when the game released and complaining about level transitions not being true to real life traversal is what mental retards do>>736485930the guy is still streaming on twitch but he never dropped any further info in the last 2 years o
>>736456183Remember when ds2 blocked your way to the castle with some ruble and there are still retards who come here and say that level design is good.
>>736475112this but unironicallythe story literally tells you everything is fucked up. DS2 does a great job of messing with you with shit like this. They don't shove everything in your face. It is a slow drip with interesting suprises that can be easily missed
>>736487834Yea I was expecting a good game but I got shit instead, expectations subverted!
>>736488473The DS2 classic
