Nomura wants to turn FF into Kingdom Hearts.Yoshi-P wants to turn FF into a western game.Kitase doesn't want to return to turn based combat.
>>736457135That sexy little creature took Lightning Returns from a 7/10 to a 10.
>>736457135Akitoshi Kawazu
I wish her English VA didn't do mostly kid shows. Her performance as Lumina was the best part about this game's characters.
>>736457135That hagaguchi hamaguchi guy from rebirth. He clearly knows what he is doing. The rest of them are retarded
>>736457135What about Toriyama?
>>736457135Yasumi Matsuno
>>736457205BASADO
>>736458235Has he actually done anything lately besides yet another remake of Tactics Ogre?
>>736457135The Gooch. Because once he dies, FF is truly dead.
>>736458565A port of Final Fantasy Tactics.
>>736458617He doesn't have much time left, he will die any day now.
>>736457135Hironobu Sakaguchi and Nobuo Uematsu made FF what it was.Any game made without them is not FF.
>>736457135Kunihiko Tanaka
>>736457135Whoever did 12.
>>736458667Lumme, make a different game already. Ogre Battle was supposed to have eight episodes.
main reason I'd go with Tanaka is because he's an outsider. insiders have obviously gotten too comfortable sniffing their own farts about their creativity and innovation (while trying to do what everyone else was doing at the time).I think Tanaka would just stick to what made FF great in the first place out of respect.
>>736458617He is not involved with the series since FF11 retard.
>>736457135Just started playing FF13-2 on Xbawks Series SRuns and looks greatAmazing OSTHas to be one of the most underrated FF games me thinks
>>736458726>Nobuo UematsuI think it was him mostly. Sakaguchi didnt wasnt the main director of the the golden ff run ( 6 to 10 )Bit surprised how kino Uematsu was though. Just one astonishingly good ost after the otherhttps://youtu.be/sVLVAw3NlVsThey linked up for fantasian a couple of years ago but the magic is gone
>>736457135KH without disney shit would be fine by me (I haven't played any KH games btw)I also don't mind it being western styled... I mean FF15 was already pretty western in its aesthetics and I don't think aesthetics is something people dislike about 15So if you force either of them to make their game turn based it'd be fine
>>736458924There hasn't been a good game since X. XII was shit XIII was shit XIV is a cancer XV was shit XVI was shit
>>73645885812 had like 5 different directors and a very troubled development. No one person made that game. That's why it's a mess with no direction and a shit story full of terrible characters.
>>736458858Hiroyuki Ito, the guy who invented ATB. He was co-directing with Matsuno, but Matsuno backed out due to health issues and they replaced him with the art director Ogre Battle and Vagrant Story - Hiroshi Minagawa.
>>736459051Yeah but the game was good.
>>736459001KH but not Disney was basically what Versus 13 was supposed to be, before it got retooled into 15.
>>736459098It was okay. It's very grindy so you get addicted to it, but it's not that great. All the characters play and feel the exact same and summons suck. The dungeons all look very repetitive and boring too. The Zodiac Job version is better, but it isn't balanced very well.
>>736457135KH is fun but it wouldn't be good in a turn-based format (I did not enjoy Olympus in Re:Coded).I hate 14 conceptually and I found 16 to just be okay. You know the "it's a good game but not a good [franchise] game" saying? 16 was like that but instead of being a good game it was just an okay game, but not an okay FF game by any stretch.I want turn based combat back.I guess if I only have those options, it's Nomura by process of elimination. I'm not happy about this, but that's how it's gotta be.
>>736457135do men play kh?
>>736460597Yes, i'm a man and i played KH...you have a problem?
>>736459012This. It's hopeless.
Get some new blood. The senior staff at Square Enix are all perfect examples of the Peter Principle at work. A dude whose only expertise was in drawing has no business being a project lead for multiple flagship titles just because he's been at the company longer than most of his coworkers.
>>736457135i played nearly every FF out there and i have to say that dropping the turn based combat was one of the best things they have done in a long time. FF15 and FF7 remakes combat aren't perfect, but it gave the franchise some life back. I had the most fun with FF Origin,10 and 12. Other JRPGs did the 5 niggers in a row just better.
>>736457135As long as they don't entrust it to Disney to ruin the franchise, like George Lucas did with Star Wars.
>>736459381Your taste is shit you should consider killing yourself.
>>736462975>thinks the series was right to ditch turn-based combat for FF15 and 7R>Series hasn't had pure turn-based combat since 1991>Cites FF10, the only fully turn-based game since FF3, as one of the best
>>736463336I count them as turn based even if they have that weird cooldown mechanic. It's not turn based in the traditional sense, but it feels like one.
Kingdom Hearts as a whole series, every single game, is tied for the worst game ever made amongst itself, and KH is the worst franchise of all time. Nomura is a hack and has never made or drawn anything good and he is the sole reason why SE is in such a dire state. You all know this ot be true. >b-b-b-but I liked KH1 and KH2!You have shit taste kill yourself.>b-b-b-b-but I liked the games cause I played them when I was 8You have shit taste as a kid and an adult for defending your childhood which was wasted on such trivial bullshit. Kill yourself.>So fine anon how do you fix SE and FF since you're so perfect and sexy and know everythingGet the guy who made Strange of Paradise. He seemed to understand the soul of the franchise and the combat and job variance was great. It doesn't have to be a 1:1 but he get the franchises core. Fire Nomura first though.
>>736463624There are plenty of things to not like in Kingdom Hearts, but it's fun to play. The KH2 Sephiroth battle but in a game that doesn't have Winnie the Pooh would be perfect.
>>736463828Refer to my first and second point.
>>736463852As I said, there are things in Kingdom Hearts that are not likeable. You don't have to like singing with Ariel to like some boss fights.
>>736464180I'm not being clear. You need to kill yourself.
>>736457135Nakahara. Bravely default was the last good final fantasy game.
>>736464210Absolutists are insane
>>736464210I noticed you saying that again and again. It wasn't worth acknowledging.
>>736457135it should've ended with X
Hot take I would rather have play like kingdom hearts if they gut the turn based systems entirely.FF7 rebirth combat will be probably be the basis for the franchise going forward.
>>736459057Matsuno hasn't been the same since FF12. Being in charge of a huge project and having half your team leave for Mistwalker is a level of betrayal most men can't handle.
>>736458946>Sakaguchi didnt wasnt the main director of the the golden ff run ( 6 to 10 )He was the main producer and story writer of VII and IX. Those are still very much Sakaguchi games. The directors were just yes men.
Yoshi-P16 was unironically a good game if you trim out the Eastern slop like repetitive side quests and busy work.
>>736463624KH has better combat than SoP
>>736466105>the basis for the franchise going forwardFF has had no basis since X. Directors come in and do whatever the fuck they want.
>>736457135give it to Miyazaki
>>736458946>PandemoniumKinohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl_PkGrQidg
>>736457536I would be willing to give this a shot.
>>736466392I wouldn't mind giving him one more shot, he just needs to focus on doing one thing well instead of doing a bunch of shit poorly.
>>736457135Whoever was behind Jack's game.
The only correct answer. He knows what he is doing unlike the other dinosaurs
>>736457135Who could acquire and save FF the day SE goes bankrupt?
>>736457135Give Nomura his own franchise. Let him make his dark fantasy action game, but don't call it Final Fantasy. Yoshi-P handled XV right? There's a place for his efforts to appeal to the west. If he makes new games, maybe they also shouldn't be called Final Fantasy games either though. He could be given an explicitly western style fantasy project, if that's what he wants to do.I'd probably give it to Kitase, with the guidelines that he has to do something approximating turn based combat. Doesn't have to be turn based, but has to have the spirit of Final Fantasy gameplay. It might be a mistake to try to appeal to younger generations by moving away from turn-based gameplay, instead of figuring out what kind of turn based gameplay younger generations want to play. You do have examples of recent RPGs with turn based gameplay doing well.
Nomura.Every other answer is wrong. >huh you want nonsensical stories that foreshadow shit that gets revealed in mobile games??Yes. That's I want.
>>736457135As a longtime XIV player,Nomura >>> Yoshi P
>>736466392The hate for XVI is extremely overblown. It is easily the best FF since X, although that's not exactly a high bar, I know. Trimming down the sidequests, having either different weapons or a party you can actually control with different weapons would have made the game better.The world was also kinda barren, which worked against it.
>>736458924>He is not involved with the series since FF11 retard.The point.Your head.(PS: 12 was the last good Final Fantasy and he started the project, FF12 was "leaked"/announced in *1999* with FF10 AND 11, targeting the PS2 during the PS2 run-up to launch)
>>736459129And it would've been ok, if it wasn't Nomura (and Square pulling in twenty different directions instead of letting him buckle down to get shit done).vs 13 was the only interesting part of the FNC bullshit. I'll give Agito/"Type-0" props, but it ultimately wasted it's world and the game design for PSP was pretty poor (trying to copy Monster Hunter but badly).
>>736469320Idk if I think Nomura is a good choice for Final Fantasy as a series, it probably does need more of its own tradition now rather than trying to be westernized like XV or XVI, or morphing fully into a Nomura action gamebut man i think Nomura might be my favorite game director. i can't even fully explain why i feel this, but when you feel the ambition of what he's trying to do it's unlike anything else in gaming
>>736463624The Disney shit really ruins Kingdom Hearts, IMO.What I expected:>Final Fantasy with some Disney charactersWhat I got:>Disney Adult power hour with some Final Fantasy characters thrown in because OH YEAH, SQUARE(SOFT) MADE THIS!I haven't even bothered with playing 2->on because of that bait and switch.
>>736457135Sera was sex incarnate. Snow did not deserve her.
>>736469775Aside from FFXIV's golden years, the man has singlehandedly been picking up the slack on the Square side of SE, and he has kept them afloat when FF didn't, he deserves a crack at it. XV sold as well as it did because of his vision for it and no one will tell me otherwise. That gayass boyband teenage angst hold O to fight bullshit was terrible.
>>736458673So you're saying Final Fantasy will finally die and Square can stop beating the dead horse? YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHH.>>736458903That would require Mastuno to not be worked to death and given how much Square wants to sit on/attempt to 'tard wrangle him when he seems competent enough for story/lore... that'd be a bad fit for him.
>>736469818You might as well just skip cutscenes and get to the fights quicker. Everyone should do that, but it's especially relevant for someone who specifically hates the Disney suck off content.
>>736469901>XV sold as well as it did because of his vision for it and no one will tell me otherwise.Agree there. I think there were some things about the roadtrip angle that were enjoyable, but the final combat left something to be desired.>he has kept them afloat when FF didn't, he deserves a crack at it. I think Nomura *could* be tied to FF and given the reigns on the franchise; he'd probably do well with it. But I just personally get the sense he wants to make something beyond what people think of as Final Fantasy.
>>736470238i dunno, have you kept up with kingdom hearts?his Verum Rex stuff is basically him reusing Noctis and the other Versus XIII characters. I think he has a fixation with that project. I do know he wants to make a super edgy game, but XVI raised the bar in that regard, so who knows? I would also say Taro, but honestly, I do think Nomura deserves it more.
>>736457135The only person I'd trust for the job is doing some Evangelion thing right now because Square Enix kept canceling his projects (while still paying him for them)
Whoever can bring the series back down to reality and set up multiple teams working on multiple successive titles ensuring that a mainline FF game releases at least once every 3 years.
>>736469901>XV sold as well as it did because of his vision for it and no one will tell me otherwise.No one will tell you the truth? It sold as well as it did because it had an incredible advertising campaign that lasted about ten years including a theatrical film. A lot of work went in to tricking people into thinking it was worth playing.
>>736470529Yea I've been following KH and Versus XIII. If you look at the early trailers for Versus XIII, there really aren't any recognizable Final Fantasy elements in there, at least as far as I remember. No Chocobos, no Cactuars, no Crystals, etc. ... what we saw of Versus XIII seemed to be almost entirely original, if not entirely. Maybe in one of the combat trailers there were Coeurls or something like that, and I guess there was the Leviathan fight in Altissia in one of the later trailers, but I get the sense that that early thing, the "Fantasy Based on Reality", with Noctis fighting down the side of a skyscraper, the dark city, the mafia overtones, Stella next to the Etro painting in the penthouse, and so on: I'm just guessing but that seems like where his real passion for the project lay, and none of that needs to be tied to Final Fantasy to exist.
>>736471320>It sold as well as it did because it had an incredible advertising campaign that lasted about ten years including a theatrical film. A lot of work went in to tricking people into thinking it was worth playing.You do realize most of that advertising was for Versus XIII right...Your post is frustrating to read.
>>736457135It's not really a person thing, but rather more that whatever they made would have to be a MODERN JRPG. And I can't stand those anymore. I yearn for return to PS1-era titles.
>>736471443that image gives me agitayou're still allowed to imagine a future, you just don't
>>736471515FF16 is a future I want no part of.
>>736471413>>736469901It didn't sell based on the merit of what it was, it sold based on the marketing of his vision. The actual game was a complete and total disaster. Would his version had he not been pulled away actually been a good game? Maybe, but we will never know. I definitely think he should be in charge of some mainline FF titles but certainly not THE guy in charge of everything. Let him make a game in rotation with 2 or so other directors.
>>736471320>incredible advertising campaignI disagree. Them wasting money on a car and a stupid movie and anime didn't sell that game. It was the fact that for fucking YEARS people were obsessed with Versus XIII's reveal trailer. The hype was such, and SE knew, that the reason that shitty Vita game originally part of the XIII trilogy was sold on PS4 with a demo of XV.>>736471357Bro, the project started out as part of the "Fabula Nova Crystallis." It did have crystals, in fact in interviews you learned that Noctis had his power because his nation had the last crystal or something. Maybe he doesn't need that NOW, but I think he had a vision of perhaps subverting and paying homage to FF with Versus, but alas we will never know.
>>736471443>things are really bad if you interpret things in the most pessimistic way possibleyou are the problem. holy shit
>>736471627>It was the fact that for fucking YEARS people were obsessed with Versus XIII's reveal trailer.The ad? Yes, that was an effective ad.
>>736471584What do you think you're trying to say here?Re read the other posts and try to understand you're not saying anything interesting.
>>736471705>interpretI mean, would you say FF is in a good state right?
>>736471627>Bro, the project started out as part of the "Fabula Nova Crystallis."The initial trailers for Versus XIII were all but a remake of the KH1 secret movie. I don't think Nomura needs Final Fantasy to make the game he wants to make.
>>736471413The game that had a trailer that showed it got a name change to Final Fantasy XV?
Serah is a way better character than boring ass Lightning, and hotter too
>>736471769Your image isn't about Final Fantasy. It's doomer "the world isn't what it used to be 20 years ago and I want to kill myself" bullshit. It represents a bad/non-functional interpretation of REALITY
>>736471717You said it was the advertising campaign, which started in earnest after the title change was revealed. A trailer for a game that was basically vaporware is not part of an campaign. >>736471789Okay, but that's just your fanfic.The game was going to focus on Crystals. The entire gist of the project was taking FF back to its roots in a modern setting. Obviously a lot of the secret movies he did for KH in that style were oozing out of Versus XIII.
>>736471805Yea...People were sold on the idea that XV was still, in some ways, what Versus XIII was meant to be. I know I was.Playing it of course you realize how much was cut, and how little of the energy of the Versus XIII trailers actually ended up in the game, but Versus XIII's marketing was a big part of XV's success. Not sure what you're trying to say.
>>736469901He already got his crack and it ended up being a disaster. Nomura can blame no one but himself for fucking around during Versus XIII development with a vision that changes every year.
>>736471898>Okay, but that's just your fanfic.Saying "Nomura doesn't need the Final Fantasy brand to make a game about a swordsman in black running down the side of a skyscraper" isn't fanfiction. It's not even in the realm of fanfiction.
>>736457135Franchise is beyond redemption at this point.You cannot undo 20 continuous years of shit games. Even just the idea of playing a new FF game leaves a terrible taste in the mouth. It's fucked.
I think Nomura definitely understands it but at the same time he's clearly getting fatigued as a director. He's always said he hates directing, and would prefer to be on the "frontlines."
>>736472027You're way too intent on saying that Versus XIII never had anything to do with FF, which it did. It very much did. The fact that stylistically it shares similarities with KH's secret movies isn't indicative of him going all in on remaking KH1's secret movie. I agree with your point that he could salvage what he can from Versus XIII and make that, but it started as a FF game with clear telltale signs it was an FF game.
>>736463196he's right on every point. why are xii fanboys a bunch of histronic bitches?
>>736471898>You said it was the advertising campaign, which started in earnestInstead of using made up qualifiers like saying it only started because you wore orange socks, maybe the actual advertisement for the game was part of its advertising campaign.
>>736472175That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the KH1 secret movie (and frankly a lot of stuff in KH), and the initial trailers for Versus XIII, which had nothing in them that really had to do with Final Fantasy at all: that stuff probably represents the kind of thing Nomura would make if he weren't working within the confines of either Kingdom Hearts or Final Fantasy.
>>736472243I know it's hard for mouthbreathing retards like you to read, but a trailer for Final Fantasy Versus XIII is not part of Final Fantasy XV's advertisement campaign.
go nuts with the art, the music, the setting, the plot, the characters.just make it 4 niggas in a row.
>>736472308NTA, but technically Final Fantasy XV's ad campaign was part of Versus XIII's.
>>736472269You'd be right if that trailer existed in a vacuum, but again, it doesn't. I can't speak to what Nomura finds restrictive, but the fact he was given pretty much free reign with that project with the budget of an FF game probably made him happy.
>>736472527You have trouble looking at things from other people's perspectives don't you.
>>736457135The Expedition 33 guys
>>736472308Maybe one day you'll understand that people can read what you wrote and still disagree with you. It must happen constantly. Those are the same fucking game so the advertising campaign for one is necessarily the advertising campaign for the other.
>>736472714Nope, keep being retarded if you want though.
>>736472837You're wrong.
>>736472892I’m not the retard that lives under the delusion that 2 trailers released years apart without much rhyme or reason to them constitute an “advertising campaign.” Or magazine articles spaced out years apart.
>>736472837I'll call you Dave. Now that you have a new name, Dave, everything that was done by or to you now no longer applies. Maybe you can shoot laser beams out of your eyes. Apparently it doesn't matter that you had eyes that couldn't shoot laser beams before.
>>736472982NTA but>E3 2006>Announce a game>[several years and several advertisements later]>E3 2013>Announce that the game's title has been changedXV is part of XIII's ad campaign. You don't even remember what you're arguing about.
>>736472982>trailers>constitute an “advertising campaign.”Yes, trailers for something are part of the advertising campaign for that thing. Will you understand that if I say it ten more times?
>>736473134No, he wants to preserve his ego by being contrary.
>>736457135>Nomura wants to turn FF into Kingdom Hearts.When will you retards learn that it is and always was the other way aroundKH is the way it is because Sakaguchi told Nomura to make it more like Final Fantasy.FFVIII's plot is more nonsensical bullshit than any KH game and it precedes KH1 by 4 years.
>>736473284I think OP meant in terms of gameplay. Given Versus XIII's KH-like gameplay.
Larian. I feel like they'd be the only studio to treat the franchise right, if only for one game.
>>736472645>>736473391Nice ragebait try
>>736473391Bad bait innit
>>736471898The entire gist of the project was taking FF back to its roots in a modern setting>>736472269the KH1 secret movie (and frankly a lot of stuff in KH), and the initial trailers for Versus XIII, which had nothing in them that really had to do with Final Fantasy at all: that stuff probably represents the kind of thing Nomura would make if he weren't working within the confines of either Kingdom Hearts or Final Fantasy.>>736472527>the fact he was given pretty much free reign with that project with the budget of an FF game probably made him happy>>736473284>it is and always was the other way aroundHate to break it to you folks but Tetsuya made his pitch for a numbered FF game so he could force his producers and other Square execs to realize that they were too limited in defining what real numbered Final Fantasy could be and that storytelling wasn't all that Final Fantasy was. This isn't the first time this happened to Tetsuya and another Tetsuya numbered FF pitch got rejected for the same reason. It's not consolation that they became separate Square games.
>>736458858So you want another retelling of Star Wars?
>>736471742>>736469320Get those tears out of your eyes, I'm not glazing Nomura like you are, he's capable of making FF titles but holy fuck he's not the guy to be in charge of everything.
>>736463624>Get the guy who made Strange of Paradise. He seemed to understand the soul of the franchise and the combat and job variance was great.>Fire Nomura first though.So Nomura? He handpicked all the staff members from Square who supervised Team Ninja and got the person from Days to work with him on the game's story. The game's director said that Nomura was personally responsible for either creating or approving every major decision there was, jobs being his and Nomura's idea (and he of every single job). Nomura was even going to cancel the game if he couldn't secure the rights to My Way which he only got when SoP was 80% in development
>>736457536Pretty good idea actually.
>>736473864>>736457536I remember that guy from an FF17 proposal posted someone on the board. He wanted him to work on it as producer and set it in the Crystal Chronicles world.
>>736473696I dunno where you’re getting all this. Tetsuya Takahashi got his proposal for FFVII, what eventually became Xenogears, rejected as a numbered FF game. Don’t know what that has to do with Versus XIII.
>>736474179isn't that the same thing that happened thoughxenogears was too dark, mature and political for main final fantasy and gooch said no but let it be its own thingversus was too dark, mature, and political for main final fantasy and kitase said no but let it be its own thingboth games even said level design was integral to the game design because it laid the foundations for everything elseit's all people ever ask nomura and takahashi about anymore>the only problem is we don't know who nomura's soraya is
>>736474321I dunno. Nomura’s case seems to be an upgrade because his project was actually called FF, and eventually got “upgraded” to XV even if by then it was no longer Nomura’s game.Did Nomura ever mention submitting Versus XIII as just XIII? In any event, it seems weird in hindsight they gave the greenlight to that insane Lightning waifufag.
>>736474536>Did Nomura ever mention submitting Versus XIII as just XIIIHe did. He even submitted it first. Noctis' design is actually older than Lightnings but Toriyama got his game approved because it was similar in style to the X and X-2 storytelling framework. There's a reason why I said Tetsuya and twice, let me find what I wrote
>>736457536no>>736458235noDon't get me wrong, I love both of them (AK being my favorite), but I think they are not made to make an FF game, they will need to limit and censor themselves way too much and the result will be very bad because of it. I would prefer them to work on a big budget SaGa or Vagrant Story type of game than wasting their time and talent on a FF game crippled by SE exec decisions.I know that may sound cringe, but I think I would actually be an excellent director for a future FF (even though it would never happen) and I don't think that the new wave of JP director/game designer/creator that we have now have what it takes to make a true good FF (western devs are even worse).I would do something like this for the art part:>Main Character DesignerTomomi KobayashiYoshitaka Amano>NPC and Secondary Character DesignerAkihiko Yoshida>ComposerYoko KannoIwashiro TaroHitoshi SakimotoMasashi HamauzuSaori Kobayashi>Orchestra and Arrangement (symphonic)Hajime MizoguchiNobuo UematstuTaro Hakase>Singer (one being also a character in the game)Shiina RingoMayaa Sakamoto>Art Director, Environment and Promo DesignYusuke NaoraVisual and music should be top of the top, something that really feel like a Fantasy:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvqAwpZiLk4https://youtu.be/W2nDpqjHhhk?t=84https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYINhRZuaechttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRYYfBQOjOoGame is turn based (grandia 2 style but a bit faster), you have access to a ship right from the beginning, you travel from "floating island" to another one in space, your ship is also your "town" and you can customize it (part by part), you can recruit a tons of NPC (a bit like MGSV) to manage your ship and make it faster and better, you have different type of combats (on ground, but also ship vs ship), dungeon require a lot preparation (sort of dark souls levels with bonfire), game difficulty is pretty high (SaGa type of difficulty) etc...
