So we all know how Toby Fox sucks at writing romance right? At least the lesbian ones, he can't stop thinking with his dick once he has to write two women having a romantic relationship, so how would you do it? If you were making an Undertale fangame how would you write a romance either involving the protagonist or two other characters?
>>736459807quetzali sexo
If I was going to keep it at a yuri romance, I'd highlight both their differences and their similarities more heavily. People are attracted to both aspects of a partner. Instead of having the characters suddenly out of nowhere have a 3rd never before seen side of their personality when "the love interest shows up" I'd try to highlight how those differences and similarities brought them together. How the characters could value those aspects, and how those aspects could drive them apart if I wanted to make it dramatic for a part of the story.make it touch base with reality but also get a bit fantastical at times.
>>736459807Eh, just do it how Bioware did it, that should be fine.
>>736459940extremely high IQ first post
>>736459965The question wasn't meant to be about Yuri specifically, it was for all romances.
>>736460034Most Bioware romances are lame tho, having multiple choices is fine and all, but if I had to pick between one really good romance or multiple decent/mediocre ones, I know what option I'd rather pick.
Toby Fox sucks at writing period.Nobody has been able to tell me what the point of Undertale and Deltarune is. What is the point it's trying to make? Where is the story going? Because as it stands it just seems like shitty gay fanfiction and expy characters in a world where nothing and who cares happens, based on shitty SNES games and community interactions he had when he was 13.These games are complete fucking coal and the only thing that saves them from being totally forgotten is the music.
>>736459807>At least the lesbian ones, he can't stop thinking with his dick once he has to write two women having a romantic relationshipWait, genuine question, how many non-lesbian relationships are even depicted in UTDR?The only ones I can think of off the top of my head are those two royal guards, and Toriel and Sans.
There are adults playing this slop
>>736460167sure, but since the topic mentioned how Toby sucks at writing, I was thinking about how some of his more controversial ships could be made better.It feels like his relationships depend on aspects of the character that hasn't been evident "until now" coming to light suddenly and forcing the relationship, so I'd try and show the "push and pull" aspect of attraction between people a bit more.
>>736460276I still think it could be funny to have a fangame where one of the fallen humans just "We'll bang, ok?"s their way through the underground.
>>736460307Carol and Rudy, Lanino and Elnina, and uhhh, I think that's all of them? to compensate the extra two straight relationships, Toby turned Catty, Catti and Bratty into lesbians.
>>>/lgbt/
>>736460286the point of undertale is that you're le heckin evilerino for choosing to do the evil route in a videogame
>>736460286>What is the point it's trying to make?tell me the points of every final fantasy.
>>736459807Write them as really good friends, who also want to have sex with each other.
>>736460374I think the main problem with Suselle is that it feels like Noelle and Susie stop being character with their own agency, and instead become barbie dolls for Toby to smash into each other without rhyme or reason.
>>736460407>Carol and RudyI'm reminded of that comic of Noelle asking Asgore if he likes her dad the way her mom likes her dad, to which Asgore responds "Your mom likes your dad?".I don't know if I see those two as a real romantic couple, let's be honest.>Lanino and ElninaYeah, I guess.
>>736460524>who also want to have sex with each other.Got it, every UT fangame should include an unskippable sex scene between the main couple.
>>736460389Isn't that technically Undertail?
>>736460421We are shitting on lesbians tho
>>736460709It's funnier if the rest of the underground is still normal, but just the fallen human is like that.So, Undertale, but you're playing as Austin Powers.Really, Under(her)Tail took the coward's way out by making all the monsters female, as if giving Sans tits and hair is an improvement.
>>736460307Pizzapants is gay in DR, Spamton and Tenna were heavily implied to be fags, Elnina Lanino and Rouxls are two guys and a girl, Dessriel was straight.
>>736460845>as if giving Sans tits and hair is an improvement.haha
>>736460845Well in Undertale there was already several character you could flirt with, I guess the main character being a child changes that.>Really, Under(her)Tail took the coward's way out by making all the monsters female, as if giving Sans tits and hair is an improvement.Now I'm reminded of the Undertail Naranja concept that was posted some time ago, in which the only difference is that Val's a teratophile but everything on the underground seems to be the same.
>>736460937Honestly, if you were already attracted to Sans, is this really better?And if you weren't before, would this design really change your mind?
>>736460374It feels like a lot of them are just arbitrary. Like pizzapants and nicecream guy feels like it exists just because Toby wanted to pair Bratty with Catty and needed a new person to "fix" him with.
>>736460937I wouldn't, just because you slapped some boobs and eyelashes on Sans that doesn't make the design sexy, it looks like a crossdressed Sans.
>>736460407Catti's bisexual since she also has that thing with Jockington.
>>736460609Yes, but only if it appeals to my fetishes specifically.
>>736460845>Under(her)Tail took the coward's way out by making all the monsters female, as if giving Sans tits and hair is an improvement.thats like the most closeted gay thing you can do, like>"i find the designs attractive, b-but it's okay guys its not gay! see? i-i slapped boobs and hair so i'm not gay for wanting to fuck sans!"
>>736460929>Pizzapants is gay in DRReally?I thought he had a whole bit about going on a date with some girl in chapter 4?>Spamton and Tenna were heavily implied to be fagsI just saw them as being sleazy business partners myself.>Elnina Lanino and Rouxls are two guys and a girlFair enough, but that only makes Rouxls and Lanino gay, Elnina was technically in a relationship with two men.So she's a slut, but not gay.>Dessriel was straight.Wait, is Dessriel canon?
>>736460937>>736461131
>>736461232>I thought he had a whole bit about going on a date with some girl in chapter 4?The girl is actually Nice Cream guy who was catfishing him, but then he set them up for a date on the festival on the pretense Pizzapants is going to meet a girl
>>736460307>Wait, genuine question, how many non-lesbian relationships are even depicted in UTDR?Toriel and Asgore, Toriel and Sans, Carol and RudyDogaressa and Dogami, RG01 and RG02, King and Queen, Lanino and Elnina (and Rouxls/Starwalker)Gerson and his human loverAlphys and Mad Dummy are into Asgore, Nice Cream Guy is into Pizzapants, Berdly is into Susie, Noelle, and KrisKris, Susie and Ralsei all have romantic teasing with each other, and Noelle's crush shifts to Kris in the Weird Route
>>736461229I want to believe the guy didn't want to fuck sans and only added the boobs ironically, I don't think I've ever meet any guy who actually wanted to fuck Sans, only girls like him that way,
>>736459807Is that a yinglet?
>>736461232>I thought he had a whole bit about going on a date with some girl in chapter 4?The "girl" is nice cream guy catfishing him. >I just saw them as being sleazy business partners myself.They act like a couple who had a messy divorce, but fair enough that might just be a joke rather than a literal relationship. >So she's a slut, but not gay.The question was about non-lesbian ships. Straight is included in that. >Wait, is Dessriel canon? About as canon as Chasriel.
>>736461462>King and Queenis that really a pair? I only remember them having a single interaction.
>>736460937I never liked rule63 designs that just toss out what made a character design work in the first place in favor of just making them generically sexually attractive.
>>736459807Nobody cares about the nuance of muff diving. If it doesn't appeal to me, if it isn't to tickle my pickle, it shouldn't even be in any game I would even play.
>>736461492The hell is a yinglet?
>>736461407>The girl is actually Nice Cream guy who was catfishing him, but then he set them up for a date on the festival on the pretense Pizzapants is going to meet a girlOkay, but that doesn't make him gay like the other anon said, it just means he's being catfished.
>>736461462Kris could be a girl though. I think Kris may not count since it/that's Schrodinger's gender.
>>736461492Its a feathered snake
>>736461569Putting a wig on a male character is still lazy as hell.
>>736459807The relationship all hinges on the guitar playing butch lesbian as the man and the pathetic weak and useless feminine one as the women. Undyne and Alphys is like this. Noelle and Susie is like this. Undertale and Deltarune are better off without romance. Shipping culture is a cancer.
>>736461638You really think Toby will include a gay guy getting rejected by an straight guy? If it does happen I'd say it would only make his lesbian relationships worse
>>736461725Yeah, so don't stop there, but just throwing out the original design isn't any good either.
>>736461232>is Dessriel canon?Asriel's shirt is hanging up in Dess's closet, that's pretty good evidence>>736461537King and Queen are clearly close, call each other stupid pet names and seem to still be on good terms since Queen does him a favor after their banter. Queen might not actually be Lancer's mother but it seems like they had something in the past, maybe they even still do.Unironically has more textual support than Tenna/Spamton
>>736461638Technically Susie isn't gay either, since she's yet to confess any feelings for Noelle, but if things continue as they have then she probably will and by extension will have always been a lesbo. The same goes for pizzapants, it really looks like toby is setting him up to fall in love with nicecream guy after the reveal.
>>736461783I mean, yeah, if we're being honest Toby's probably gonna have Pizzapants and the Nice Cream guy get together at the end of the day, but it'd be nice to see some actual variety in his romantic relationships.And I say this as someone who's gay for a lot of the male characters in these threads, variety is nice.
>>736459807I've seen people say the relationship between Cole and Kanako in DRY is boring, do you think that comes from the relationship dynamic or from Kanako being "boring" as some say?
>>736461812You have to throw out the original design to make a new one. You can take influence from the original, but it shouldn't be the same character with some edits (at least not for characters like Sans or Sniper). Its not only lazy, but goes against the spirit of the character by making them look like a transvestite or very ugly for their gender, and just making them ugly in general.
>>736461937I think it's boring because it's clearly made to be a hmofa self-insert fantasy at face value; cole is a non character and kanako is too much of a bland waifu because all her traits are summarized into things that appeal to the player's fantasy
>>736461849Don't forget Dess holding on to Asriel's retainer. At best he took it out so they could make out, at worst Dess is a freak who wanted to taste it.
>>736461937As someone who's not a "kanaclover superfan", I like their dynamic in DRY. It shows off character traits of Kanakos, but also hints that Cole is his own character separate from us, which is something I believe that DRYanon made clear, that Cole does have his own thoughts and opinions and will even have dialogue at some point iirc.Yeah it's hmofa bait but I think it's still done nicely.
>>736461759>Undertale and Deltarune are better off without romance.This is the truth.
>>736461937Both. She doesn't do much and they don't do much with each other. I blame that on Dryanon not being that familiar with writing during the development of the alpha version.
>>736461759>Shipping culture is a cancer.Truer words were never spoken.
>>736461937i love dry and kanacole to death but kanako in dry is very boring, cole being a silent protag does not help but compared to someone like susie she is extremely bland, chujin is the only thing that makes it spicy because he dissaproves of their friendship. i don't knock the creator for it since it comes off as more of a happy ending for clover and kanako
>>736461867I think Susie is about as open to something happening with Noelle as she is with Kris and Ralsei, which is to say she's apprehensive but it could happenAnd it still means that the only bonafide lesbian in UTDR is Undyne, all the others are bisexual
>>736462039You can still make that interesting though, look at Snoot Game.
>>736460536It exists obviously because Susie is Toby's favorite character, Susie is the character that the fans like the most, so Susie has to be glazed.
>>736461937The last time I commented on Clover/Cole and Kanako's characters it started a multi-hour long argument about what makes something "forced", and lots of comparisons to the Jedi Council members.It's nice to see some people say it's boring though, that's a breath of fresh air.
>>736462186As a VN, maybe, but this is supposed to be a story heavy RPG with bullet dodging mechanics
>>736462239VNs are just RPGs with the battles removed. I fail to see why a dynamic like the one in Snoot Game couldn't work in an RPG.
>>736462186nta, but originally Snoot Game was going to be a wish fulfillment HMoFA fantasy until the script got reviewed by a /lit/ fag and that made the devs make some major rewrites so the game would feel like something more, its a shame to read these comments about DRY, but I think DRY1anon still has time to make things more interesting in their relationship, I can't blame him that much either since writing is hard, he did a good job all things considered seeing as this is first first story focused project.
>>736461937It's boring because it's just the most blatant HMOFAbait I've seen. Both Cole and Kanako are basically OCs of OCs.
>>736462160Something you'll always see is shippers writing fucking paragraphs upon paragraphs with these tearful emotional pleas about just how meaningful and deep their ship is and the greater context and you'll look at it at it's always the same cliche retread of the same garbage pairings they always push over and over again, it's just an imitation of another ship that they liked which in turn is an imitation of yet another ship that they liked. Fucking idiots with their zodiac signs and omegaverse.
>>736462229Nta, but I was there and I don't remember the Jedi council thing. I do agree it's pretty bland as it is, but I think calling it forced is a bit of a pointless criticism. All elements of fiction are forced. You have an idea, then come up with the rest of the story to justify it. The failure is that Kanacole often doesn't do anything interesting to justify its existence (an issue with most ships really). I think its fine for funny art and cute greentexts, but for a serious ful length game it'll need more meat on its bones. That doesn't mean he should drop it, that means he should elaborate and add some drama. Give them both flaws and quicks that play off of each other in both good and bad ways.
>>736462361That just illustrates my point. You absolutely can make hmofa wish fulfillment compelling. That's what they did with snoot game.
>>736462580I think it's kind of a tough situation because the idea was conceived for the sake of making Kanaclover exist but... It's a ship between characters that in all practicality, don't exist. It's like, a ship without a source material.
>>736462580Part of the argument centered around Cole and Kanako in DRY effectively just being OCs that *look* like Clover and Kanako, since Clover and Kanako have so little character to go off of that "fleshing them out" is just making an entirely new character.This was compared to how some of the various Jedi council members seen in the prequels were made into more detailed characters in the various comics and tv shows, though I'd argue a lot of the various council members actually had some more complex details visible in the prequels themselves.Anyway yeah, I'm not saying that's a good or bad thing, I'm just saying that's what that is, and that isn't inherently interesting by itself. And apparently a decent few people agree with me, based on how many people here are calling KanaCole a boring ship with boring characters.
>>736462754>. It's like, a ship without a source material.That's not a handicap, that's just a blank page for you to write whatever you want in. A bad writer would struggle and write trash, but a good writer would write something great.
I'm a little surprised on the dry kanacole analysis. I figured some people had that kind of reaction but I thought the whole point was that their relationship was past the "will they wont they" phase, and was a slight bit more "comfortable". Like, I know it's not going to be the most bombastic, but what would you change about this to make it better without stepping it back into "will they wont they territory"? Is having a confirmed couple in a story a negative in general? I know they aren't "officially dating" but it's clear that it's not in the early stages either.
>>736462754>It's like, a ship without a source material.So basically like writing any romance
>>736462883The question is: what does he want to write?There's thinking about two cute characters together and there's actually having ideas to write them in which seems to be the problem here
>>736462921I think many people confuse "relationship were the characters aren't fighting with each other on minor things" with "boring relationship" but in this case, I like that both Cole and Kanako are into each other, the real problem lays in Kanako being a character that currently doesn't have much to make her interesting, honestly making characters on the level of those from Deltarune its not easy at all.
>>736462580I think a lot of people are ignoring the fact we only got one episode to go off of, which is mostly setup and establishment so judging a relationship for not being fully established in chapter 1 is pretty unfair.
>>736462765I remember now>though I'd argue a lot of the various council members actually had some more complex details visible in the prequels themselves.Maybe Mace or Yoda, but if you mean Kit Fisto or Ki Adi, come on. "What about the droid attack on the wookies" is hardly a defined character, nor is "pushes over droid *grins*". They have a job, a design, a couple of actions, and maybe one or two lines of dialogue. That's about the same as Kanako, and less than Clover who got plenty of characterization by his actions as the main character.
>>736459807Romance should be something you opt into, not a requirement for the best ending like Undertale.
>>736463071Yeah, that what I've been saying in my other posts, DRY still has time to make things more interesting and flesh out Kanako's character.
>>736460286For Undertale it was meant to be a loving parody of JRPG tropes with a denouncement of people who get so obsessed with learning a game inside and out that they kill the magic of enjoying them for an optional route.For Deltarune the game isn't done yet but the strongest themes we have so far are the limitations of player choice and the relationship between the player character and the player.
>>736462580Does DRY even have a plot greater than just giving Kanaclover a framework to exist?
>>736463045>the real problem lays in Kanako being a character that currently doesn't have much to make her interesting, honestly making characters on the level of those from Deltarune its not easy at all.that's fair. I felt like she did have some traits that were interesting with her dynamic like her seeming confidence issues and the way those can show differently with Coles different answers. I'm not saying it can't improve of course, but I don't think it's as boring as people are saying. I think people are slightly harsher than is realistic overall.Again, not trying to glaze it or whatever, I just know that I didn't even care about kanacole until I played dry1, and it just felt very pleasant.
>>736463156>Maybe Mace or YodaHey, I'd say Qui Gon Jinn had some pretty decent characterization too, and while not technically in the same direction, I'd say the prequel's depiction of Obi Wan was a very interesting and fitting expansion of how we saw him in the original trilogy, so I'd say he's relevant to this too.
>>736462921Well the obvious follow up questions to "will they?" are "can they?" and "should they?". Two characters may love each other, but will circumstance allow them to be with each other, what kind of conflict will that generate, how do they respond if circumstance tries to separate them. And if they are together, is that a good thing? What if they're bad for each other, or bad for everyone else?
>>736462998A good writer can make an engaging story put of anything. Even the dullest premise can be turned into a fun read if you know how to make it interesting. So the issue isn't Kanacole, but DRYanon's writing ability.
>>736463282I think DRY is setting up some of those questions at least with the tension at the ketsukane household, and the looming threat of the court case is a very clear "circumstances tries to separate them", but that's a plot point that I think is too difficult to have completely fleshed out by chapter 1. the stage has been set, the characters had some fun dynamics in chapter 1, and I don't think it's reasonable for us to have hit the crescendo yet.
>>736460536that's why my schizo headcanon (cope) is that gaster is a yurifag and is purposefully forcing suselle which is why it feels forced, and the entire thing would be a commentary on this exact kind of relationship, thus shitting on everyone on all sidesif it was real I'd kneel and personally issue toby an apology letter
>>736459807Susie in another universe
This is going to be one of those things, isn't it?
>>736463471what do you mean, people are having level headed conversation about the topic even if I don't agree with them.
>>736463438his comments on Undyne x Alphys during the anniversary stream depleted all my hopium and copium reserves, I no longer have hopes of Toby being able to stop his yuri fetish from making his story worse.
>>736461638you bet that toby setting that up is a "subversion" to show that burgerpants is at least bi, I don't expect are rejection to happen since that would be "queerphobic" or some shit
>>736463071He still absolutely has a chance to save it, but he did stumble at the starting line.
>>736463589How so? Care to elaborate?
>>736463240Yeah. Its got that conflict about Cole losing his loving home because of the foster system and the stuff about the Outlaw. And it sets up stuff involving Chujin and Integrity.
>>736463558Only slightly related, but I so badly want Susie to reject Noelle at some point.Not even because I vehemently despise that ship or anything, but because they just have no romantic chemistry at all.Honestly, I think it might be a decent bet to say that that's what Toby's building up to.Noelle's attraction to Susie is entirely shallow, based primarily on the front Susie puts up rather than who Susie actually is, and we've been watching that facade crumble over the different chapters, so eventually Noelle's gonna have to realize that the person she has an unhealthy fixation on isn't actually real.Plus, none of Susie's dialogue with Noelle really reads as being romantic, and a lot of her dialogue before chapter 4 honestly reads as her being a little uncomfortable, like with the ferris wheel scene.Just based on their actual characters, having Susie reject Noelle makes way more sense than her getting into a relationship with her, and I really hope *that's* where Toby decides to subvert things.
>>736463279Yeah, but those weren't who I was referring to when I mentioned the expanded universe making real characters out of background npcs. I meant the collection of unnamed jedi council members in the movies, not the main characters of the movies. People like Plo Koon or Ayla Secura. Also Qui Gon wasn't a council member.
>>736463215DR also seems to be saying something about creativity and the nature of fiction.
>>736463863>Also Qui Gon wasn't a council member.Oh yeah, my bad.
>>736463414Kanako and Cole need more negative character traits.
>>736459807>>736461673Can romance work in Naranja? Like at all? I've seen people already shipping Val with Quetzali and I know the game is currently in an extremely early stage, but I still wonder those two could have actual chemistry.
>>736463240>>736463414>>736463282>>736462765>>736462921I am completely aware that some people won't like the direction the story will go once they see what I made for ch 2, but my mind's set and I won't deviate much from the course now. I didn't even have a full idea of what I was going to do plot wise until a few months ago, so some things will be a bit rough (and I am more a programmer than a writer). sometimes I am just guided by feel alone and see where that takes mewhile DRY did start as just wish fulfillment because I wanted more kanaclover stuff, I ended up giving it a bit more thought on the overall plot and I want it to be a good game on its own right outside of the kanaclover stuff, so I hope at least people go into it with an open mindat least all bosses have been finished and the alt route is nearly complete, which means I am close to playtesting and final tweaks before chapter 2 releasewon't give any specific dates but it shouldn't take too long now
>>736463756I feel like people have forgotten the plot points that DRY chapter 1 made a solid effort to establish. I don't even feel like they were forgettable plot points since when dry comes up, those are the things that get talked about. The court case is a solid dramatic premise, the way DRY handles its home dark world as a prison is a good take fitting the justice soul, and it was impactful the way you get introduced to chujins "issues" to put it lightly.
>>736463665Kanako and Cole are both really flat characters in chapter 1, without many interesting or defining traits. And they don't have much of an arc. Compare that to Susie and Ralsei in chapter 1, who both have very obvious strengths and weaknesses that decide how they interact with the world and the characters in it, and they both go through significant change as characters in it. Kanako is in desperate need of some defining traits, Cole's traits need elaboration. And they both need to change and develop as the story progresses.
>>736464035Well, somewhat harsh judgements on the main ship aside, I bear you and your work no ill will, it's always nice to see new things come out of this community.As always, I maintain my stance of "neat, but not for me", and leave you in peace.
>>736463768>they just have no romantic chemistry at all.This is really subjective when you consider there are fans out there who like it. Maybe it's not for you and that's fine?Suselle is not that bad when you consider they had very little screentime together in the grand scheme of the whole game and people don't even want to give it a chance, why? It's like you guys reject it on principle it's just Alphyne (They have an admittedly similar vibe, but it's only at surface value), or because you already chose a ship to root for.Calling it a ship that will ruin the story or whatever is a huge hyperbole that doesn't make sense because everything seems be making sense if Suselle happens, so what's the issue here exactly?
>>736463935 Any ideas in specific? I see people sometimes thinking that negative traits are what make a character, but there are iconic characters that are nearly perfect, and the story doesn't really suffer for it because it's not "about that". I've seen people use character flaws as a bandaid when all the story really needed was clear motivation driving the plot.Not that it's not good to give characters flaws, a lot of great characters are defined by their flaws, but It's not a hard and fast rule.
>>736463939It worked in Dragon Ball. It could work here. Just give them chemistry, a way for their personalities to justifiably gel with each other, and give them plenty of scenes together. Val and Quetzali are both passionate people who are eager to throw caution to the wind in the name of their dreams. I think that's something they could form a bond of mutual admiration over. Ironically what Toby tried to justify Alphyne with actually would work here, that being them admiring each other's passion.
>>736464035Looking forward to seeing it, and if you don't let them be happy by the end I will cry and imagine them being happy somehow.
>>736464035You should try to practice writing. Regardless of what you have planned, practice will make it easier to realize.
>>736464291>It's like you guys reject it on principle it's just AlphyneI'm literally not rejecting it on principle, I outlined my reasons for rejecting it very clearly, citing specific examples.This is your problem, you're refusing to actually listen to the reasons why people think it doesn't work, and just insisting that they're inherently opposed to it for some reason, instead of basing their judgement of it on actual in-game information.
>>736464383It would be really ironic if the game made to give Cole and Kanako a happy ending gave them another tragic end, I'm sure the alt route will end badly for them but I know DRY1 isn't evil enough to make the bad end the main one.
>>736464349>It worked in Dragon Balllmao
>>736464291>It's like you guys reject it on principle it's just Alphynethis is the core of the problem here. people have broken down their issues with the ship, and their issues with alphyne, repeatedly, for years, but every time "oh it's just not for you then, you're only rejecting it on principle".And the worst thing is, most fans of other ships and of other theories are capable of arguing for their stance, explaining why it's good in their eyes, but you're not arguing the ship by its own merits, you're instead just complaining about the people that don't like it in essence. It's a cop out, just like those people that post a pairing and have to add "if you don't like it keep scrolling", except you're coming to the people who don't like it yourself.
>Sets up multiple cameras to spy on Frisk (child)>Gives a smug face when you answer "the human" (child) on the question "who does Alphys have a crush on">ACCEPTS and GOES ON a DATE with a CHILD>FANTASIZES about TEENAGERS having SEXWhat did Toby mean by this?
>>736464475That would be painful, for it to convince me to like Kanaclover/Kanacole only to rip my heart to pieces in all routes.
>>736464659That's why she's a teacher in a classroom full of minors in the next game
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>>736459807OP you seem very obsessive over this whole lesbian thing judging by the vrpg thread. Now I’m curious, but can you tell me your thoughts on Soriel?
>>736464349>Val and Quetzali are both passionate people who are eager to throw caution to the wind in the name of their dreams.Oh god, I can already picture Quetzali having conflict with Val over this, since Val clearly would wants to fight Asgore which would most likely be certain death for either of them, for the first time, Zali would doubt if following your dreams is the correct path, Val could reply by asking if she would stop following her dreams only because he's worried about her well being.Maybe not with those words since these characters are dumb teens, but the idea is there.
>>736464439Noelle's attraction isn't shallow, it's skewered. She has an idealized view of Susie that will be further broken down but they are walking towards understanding each other. Susie doesn't know who Noelle is a whole lot beyond the girl who's been nice-y to her despite who she was. Susie being a good person all along ultimately validates Noelle's attraction all along, because the person she was talking to in the ferris wheel was simply a scary bully she lusted over.I think you're misreading Susie's being uncomfortable with just learning to be more vulnerable towards people, the ferris wheel scene's vibe was very unambiguously positive and means Susie just was in an earlier stage of her development.>having Susie reject Noelle makes way more sense than her getting into a relationship with herWhat I think could happen is, Susie denies by claiming she wants to take things really slow and grow to appreciate Noelle better, but the implications of the story are for them to eventually get together.
>>736464659it's really wild seeing people say "you wouldn't be hard on her if she was a guy" when she's a genuine fuck up, and the only reason she's semi forgivable is because the amalgamate issue is handwaved by toby as being "no big deal that your friends and family are now a monstrosity so cold... so cold." I enjoy the character, she's a worthwhile character for a story, but she's genuinely a disaster of a person.
>>736463518Depicting Kris as a masculine HMOFAchad or whatever is more cringe than Noelle obsessing over Susie
>>736464308Dry really feels like its a character focused story. If it isn't its got bigger problems since UT as a series is a character focused series, and DRY's plot isn't that present or interesting. Its not bad, but it hardly does anything special or unique. Kanako really needs more going on for the other characters to bounce off of. In terms of examples, Susie is a clueless dumbass, so she's terrible at telling when people are lying to her and is a constant fountain of bad ideas. She's also got trust issues (likely because she's been burned before due to her atrocious judge of character) which leads her to screw herself and those around her over. Noelle is a freak and a sadist who's obsessed with the macabre. She'll act out and do unhinged things when she thinks no one's watching and is very easy to talk into doing horrible things. Ralsei is a doormat who lets everything under the sun boss him around, and he'll extend that subservient nature to others as well, leading him to say and do some pretty horrible things because he thinks that's just how it is. I think for Kanako, her anger issues are a good starting point. Expand on those. Maybe she acts sweet and intelligent, but the instant she's put on her own or under pressure, she snaps and all her smarts go out the window. She's the type to panic and hit someone because she didn't know what to do, then breakdown crying because she realizes she didn't want to hurt anyone.
>>736464927>was simplyWas NOT* simply.
>>736464978Who mentioned anything about Kris being a "HMOFAchad?" besides, that's a fandom interpretation you can ignore, can't say the same for the Suselle bait
>>736464885Obsessive? you can tell who I am?>Now I’m curious, but can you tell me your thoughts on Soriel?In UT its kinda meh, mostly something that happens on the background, I've even seen plenty of people saying that its just a fandom thing, even if the game leaves clues for it.In DR it straight up feels vile, with Asgore constantly being depicted as a pathetic man who stalks Toriel, and Sans being antagonistic towards Kris, in a way it feels like something you are meant to dislike.
>>736464927Well, I disagree, but at least you had an actual argument instead of just saying "you're just not giving it a chance", so you're better than the other jackoff.
>>736465124I’m not really big on Suselle, but I recognize 50% of the hate it gets here is because they want Susie to date (You). Anons here generally self-insert into Kris and make them into this muscular chad even though Kris is a skinny mentally ill fag. Suselle being canon would ultimately be perceived as cucking (You) from Susie or Noelle
>>736464992>and DRY's plot isn't that present or interesting. Its not bad, but it hardly does anything special or unique.i'd say the differing family dramas between coles house being torn apart, and the ketsukane housholds issues are pretty good. The drama at the ketsukane house isn't original maybe (though we don't know everything going on with chujin) but the custody case being a central point in a video game story is absolutely unique, I at least personally have never encountered it in this format.I don't think calling it not present yet is fair, because in deltarune chapter 1 where you're using a lot of comparison, almost every assumption we had about where things were going was wrong at the time.The fun gang, I'll agree has a fantastic dynamic, something Toby is excellent at is character writing and making them multifaceted. I don't think failing to meet toby's level makes it bad, even if it's a great goal to shoot for in a lot of aspects. Everything you said about the fun gang is pretty on point though, the cast bounces off eachother amazingly. I agree on that for Kanako, but she does have some things that are already being played at with her confidence issues, and I think that's a good starting point as well that shows its head and tells us the dynamic between cole and kanako without having to spell it out. There's room for it to be better, and I think that there's room to emphasize on her flaws more, but I just think it's faulty to say the characterization has been boring because it fails to live up to deltarunes. It feels like an unfair starting line to set.I do agree overall with what you're saying, I just think that it's doing a better job than it's given credit for because it's being compared (understandably what with the name) to deltarune.>She's the type to panic and hit someone because she didn't know what to do, then breakdown crying because she realizes she didn't want to hurt anyone.honestly I like the idea.
>>736465307Fine, I'm only going to act abrasive against bad arguments like claiming Noelle is a psychotic pervert, which people have done here before. Even though I think Noelle having unrealistic expectations is a great point of depth for the ship people should use to potentialize it instead as an excuse to bring it down.
>>736465420Well I'm more of Ralsei x Susie kinda guy, but at this point I'd take anything over Suselle, even Susie x Berdly or Susie being asexual, hell even Susie being lesbian but with someone else seems like a better idea than her ending with Noelle.
>>736463768>Noelle's attraction to Susie is entirely shallow, based primarily on the front Susie puts up rather than who Susie actually isHow is anybody still repeating this shit?This was already not true after Chapter 2. Now we're at Chapter 4 where Susie and Noelle have fucking half an hour of just hanging out at her house that ends with her asking Susie on a date. What the fuck are we talking aboutWhy are you guys stuck on "Noelle only likes Bully Susie" (not true and has never been true), why don't you ever talk about the actual cracks in the foundation here. How about Noelle consistently getting baited and feeling jealous about Kris and Susie hanging out, what about Susie and Noelle both feeling like they wished Kris was there when they were hanging out?Please use a better argument, I hardly give a shit about shipping and least of all Suselle but it is infuriating that people still don't understand the basic relationships between the main cast.
>>736465420nta, but I didn't care about shipping at all until very recently, well after I played chapter 4. Even still, I don't want to get with any of the deltarune cast. I do not like suselle. Every time it's on the screen it feels like the characters are the worst versions of themselves, and not in a entertaining "disaster on screen" type of interpretation.I also don't self insert myself with the doe or the goat, so on and so forth.
>>736465483>like claiming Noelle is a psychotic pervert,nta but it seems reasonable to say that the girls got issues, and that she might be a liiitle bit freaky what with the whole water thing and all that. I'm not going to say shes a psychotic pervert, but she's a little off kilter.
>>736465483>I'm only going to act abrasive against bad arguments like claiming Noelle is a psychotic pervertShe did literally start strangling Berdly when he said he had feelings for Susie.
>>736457730 >It's somewhat amusing to me that Noelle's character has been completely boiled down by the fanbase to whether she's getting dicked by Kris or rubbing clams with Susie>You see basically no other discussion about her despite being about as involved in the central mystery of the game as Kris is.If you think that's bad, try being Ralsei - little nigga is unpalatable to 99% of the shiptard audience so you can go entire threads straight up forgetting that he's not even in this game because people pretend that the shitty love triangle is literally the meat of the story and toss out literally everything else.You can even ctrl+f Susie, Noelle, Kris, and Ralsei in that order right fucking now and see just how downplayed he is, had to get this shit off my chest.
>>736465629Calling Noelle freaky and calling Noelle a psychotic toxic horny mad girl are two different arguments>>736465630>what is a gag sceneBut I think asking people to be context sensitive when analyzing this game is asking way too much, which is why we have this endlessly looping argument.
>>736461584In the story they are from, they are effectively a weird bird rat race that has recently attained sentience (compared to other races, anyway), they are majority male, many of the males are prison gay, they get high off of eating actual clams, their bones are fragile like glass.>WhySome tf artist created them for a monsterfucker web comic he is making, I guess he gets off on things turning into helpless/worthless/useless things.
>>736465629She is a pervert, but there are people who legitimately try to frame her crush on Susie as some fucked up misplaced psychosexual incestuous feelings for DessNow I personally like fucked up degenerate tumblr girl Noelle with pathetic and taboo fetishes, but that's for fanfiction, not serious criticism of her character
>>736465898>But I think asking people to be context sensitive when analyzing this game is asking way too much, which is why we have this endlessly looping argument.It’s because people think she’s stealing their self-insert fuckmeat
>>736465898>"what is a gag scene"Yes, it is a gag scene, but it's still a representation of her feelings in-universe, and IIRC it's even referenced in one point in chapter four, so it's not like it just doesn't matter.
>>736464659>becomes a part of the ruling class (royal scientist)>immediately instates mass surveillance and starts having relations with childrenShe could be a real politician
>>736464659She's Toby's self insert, just gender bent so no one would notice.
>>736466010It's a gag scene because it doesn't literally mean Noelle wants to hurt Berdly for having feelings for Susie. You're meant to laugh at an exagerated caricature of Noelle's reaction
>>736464885Not op, but Soriel is the second worst ship behind Suselle.
>well you see Noelle is a psycho and Berdly LITERALLY tries to kill you-What is with this fanbase and being early 2000’s shonenfag levels of demonizing the cast
>>736464927Toby...
>>736466147I'm not saying she wants to fucking murder him you dumbass, I'm saying she has aggressive feelings regarding her romantic feelings towards Susie and that's not something that should just be disregarded.
>>736464978Kris is a creepy little shit who hides under girls' beds, and Noelle is the freak who likes being creeped on.
>>736466164Because most of them are newfags to UTDR and are probably underaged
>>736465715Ralsei deserves more love, literally
I want to lean against Martlet and for at least a moment, forget my troubles, but even more than that I want to have someone like Martlet who after I relax with, I can feel motivated to work harder for. I want someone who will push me to be better, but also someone who has dreams of her own that I can see her fight for.
>>736466212Good, I'm not arguing against that either, but your original post did not suggest a nuanced take at all.
>>736466347>but your original post did not suggest a nuanced take at all.It was a pretty obvious takeaway, Noelle still seems to think the events of chapter 2 were just a weird dream she had, so her actions in chapter 2 are more representative of her feelings rather than direct actions she would consciously take if she was aware of their ramifications, so her strangling Berdly isn't an indicator that she's secretly a serial killer waiting to strike, but it is an indicator that she could potentially be aggressive regarding Susie and anyone else who may have their eyes on her.We've already seen that sort of thing with Catti's feelings towards Noelle, so the idea of Noelle being in a similar boat has some substantial weight to it.
>>736466237I like the togore comic guy that depicted kris as a hyperactive problem child when he was younger it feels accurate
>>736466328Everyone has their scrimblo.You know, when talking about that "icing problem" idea, I imagined Martlet accidentally flying into an instance of SCP-1506. That was not a fun thing to imagine, but now I'm making it your problem.
>>736460286Toby Fox is a genius when it comes to character concepts, both visually and in terms of characteristics and personallity.Sure the actual plot around these characters will be a mess, but god damn he can make some memorable moments.
>>736466328I don't feel like that for any scrimblo, but seeing anons being this open with their feelings towards them is inspiring, for a lack of better words
>>736465430Those plot points are character centric plot points. The player will only care about Cole's home life being broken up if they care about Cole. If you don't love Kanako like Cole does, then you aren't gonna care too much when they get separated. >but I just think it's faulty to say the characterization has been boring because it fails to live up to deltarunes. Its boring because it fails to make its characters interesting. Deltarune was just an example of how it can be done right. I think saying "its only chapter 1" is a really bad argument. If anything how interesting a character is at the beginning is more important than at any other point in the story, because its where the player gets his first impression of the character. If you fail there, you've potentially screwed the whole thing. Or have at least severely handicapped yourself for the rest of the story. I don't think DRY is that bad, but its bland characterizations of Kanako and to a lesser extent Cole in chapter 1 are absolutely a serious problem with the game. Same goes for the plot, if your focus is a wild plot then lead with that.
>>736460307You have to weight for how long each relationship appears in the game, how important it is, and how it is portrayed.
>>736464035>won't give any specific dates but it shouldn't take too long nowHOW MUCH LONGER NOW?MY DELTARUNE YELLOW.
>>736465420I'd be fine with Ralsus or Susly. Those are fun dynamics. Suselle is just miserable to sit through and makes both characters into the worst versions of themselves.
>>736466761it is a well known factoid that gaster is a kanacloverfag, toby fox and mastersword themselves told me when I was kidnapped
>>736466826i fucking love ralsus I wish more people made stuff for it
>>736466652I'm going to read this scp to see what you are inflicting on me. I've read so much of the wiki, but it's been over decades so you understand i must remember old knowledge.Sometimes I imagine, that there are people out there that act as nullifiers of some sort. people that are mundane in general, could be shot and killed like any other regular person, but act as living breathing scranton anchors if I'm remembering the right word. Imagine setting reality straight to save your scrimblo, not because you're special, but because you're reality soothingly mundane.>>736466713I hope that you have something that brings you joy at the very least anon. It's a rough world out there, if the best thing I've got going on is imagining Martlet at my side, well it could still be a worse world out there than it is.
The Weird Route hinges on the fact that Noelle DOES have repressed violent and selfish tendencies that can be drawn out.That doesn't make her a potential school shooter or epic mindbroken yandere love slave, but she's not all sugarplums and gumdrops. Just like Kris.I am very interested in seeing where Toby takes her in Chapter 5.
>>736465715>so you can go entire threads straight up forgetting that he's not even in this gameLore accurate treatment, given how easily Noelle and Queen forget his existence.
>>736460374His lesbian pairings genuinely have no chemistry.Alphys's side makes sense purely for how much of a pervert she is, but Undyne falling for Alphys doesn't make sense at all. Alphys would make more sense with Sans or Catty, I don't think there is a single good character to pair with Undyne, maaaybe Mad Dummy.Suselle just makes both characters worse by stripping their personalities or anything interesting going on with the relationship. I guess it could be salvaged by making Noelle less lustful and let it develop more naturally, but it's still a lost cause to me. Noelle has better chemistry with Kris and Catti, Susie has better chemistry with Kris And Ralsei.
>>736466915>I'm going to read this scp to see what you are inflicting on me.Big fake clouds full of spiders that eat people.Anyway, I'd like to imagine she'd survive, but in a really stupid way, like freaking out because 1 (one) spider got on her and flails her arms about with such force trying to get it off that she doesn't end up getting stuck and just falls back out again.
>>736466854why did mastersword make them suffer
>>736459807hop on the soulelle train and join our quest to make the story vastly more interesting by eliminating Yuri content
>>736467030so we could get DRY, obviously
>>736465483>like claiming Noelle is a psychotic pervert,She is. She's also sadistic and masochistic, with a fetish for being hurt thtem comforted by the same person. She's also an absolute horndog that's just to shy to admit to people all the fucked up and weird things she's into. As a side note, I know you just meant violent and crazy when you said psychotic, but there is a strong argument to be made for her suffering from an actual psychosis as well, or at least being prone to them. With her tendency to space out and stare into the freezer, or how easy it is to put her in a trance, or how she is so easy to convince that reality is a dream. Hell, she absolutely is in a psychosis in the weird route.
>>736467057>soulelleI do not want to date through Noelle opening notepad on my computer that would be boring
>>736467110>with a fetish for being hurt thtem comforted by the same personOh come on, that's not that weird.
>>736467134I can save her.
>>736466725>The player will only care about Cole's home life being broken up if they care about Cole.Cole to me is the quintessential american child, a free spirited kid that you can't help but with the best for. Maybe I just am predisposed to clover and by extension Cole, but when I see them I think that I want to be a father to him. I'm saying this to admit that I may be biased, but I think there's an element of something classic in him that appeals to "the spirit". >Its boring because it fails to make its characters interesting.I found the traits that kanako exhibited in chapter 1 to be interesting, the way her confidence takes the stage as I mentioned before, differently depending on your dialogue choices, felt good to me. Susie by the end of chapter 1 really seemed like she had come around to the whole dark world thing right? she ended up having a good time. With Kanako I enjoyed that in contrast, she never really warmed up to the idea, and that felt like an interesting trait when faced with a fantasy world. She had a much more grounded response that seemed rooted in self doubt and fear, which calms down a bit with coles more reassuring options. I thought this was interesting, the fish out of water felt right.>I think saying "its only chapter 1" isI think the difference is, I don't think it's bland, I think it's got a solid starting point, has set up the intrigue, and has set the plot in motion. When I say it's only chapter 1, it's important to note that this is about these guns having been fired, but we don't see the bullet holes yet. I personally felt like I went into dry with a skeptical approach, the same as I went into yellow itself. I wasn't even willing to play the games at launch, but when I gave them both a try, I found myself surprised that it didn't feel like a dull trip. I thought the dialogue was enjoyable, the characterization believable, and it told a story that made me think "this is going somewhere that I'd like to see.
>>736467057Really hope Toby does the part where Noelle asks for YOUR name in chapter 5
>>736466994>I don't think there is a single good character to pair with UndyneI'm not vouching for it, but I just remembered that weaver was a massive asgore x undyne fan, unless it was all a joke (and I really don't think it was)
>>736467030>fanon>canon>fangameFangames are retarded lol.
>>736465548The main issue with Suselle is that it feels like both characters are just thinking of someone else the whole time. Noelle's feelings for Susie are obviously just displaced feelings for Dess and Kris. Meanwhile Susie is just thinking "I wish Kris were here" or "what would Kris do?".
This shit is somehow gayer and more retarded than steven universe, please keep it on /trash/
>>736459807It doesn't help that Suselle is just straight up shit as a ship too.>Zero shit in common>Entirely based on the most generic and stereotypical yuri trope of all time with zero deconstruction of it>Noelle completely loses all character whenever Susie is on screen or in the conversation>Noelle's crush is also borderline obsessive and creepy.>Its a very real possibility that Noelle is substituting Dess with Susie which is super unhealthy.If Toby didn't make it soft canon it absolutely would be one of those ships that is only shipped for the sake of queer rep.Honestly in comparison to other Yuri media, it's not even that bad because most Yuri is written like dogshit anyways.
>>736467030>sorry monster, this is real life. The soul gets the girl
>>736467273It is canon within the fangame, not UT as a whole
the game would be better if there wasn't a good route where recruiting everyone prevents a characters death or harm. Berdly getting his arm burned, Tenna dying, and Jack sacrificing himself are more interesting than the regular route.
Tranny games tranny thread tranny posters
>>736467154did u see the new replaying Undertale episode that got uploaded today
>>736467348>the subtle blue tone eyes nice
>>736466915Don't worry I do have joy in my life, I like the scrimblos we have here, I'm just not in love with any of them.Also, that's a really pretty Martlet.
>>736467402I have no idea what that is.
>>736466938>I am very interested in seeing where Toby takes her in Chapter 5.Be aware she might be just "used up" once she has outlived her usefulness.
newfag here, did people get this assblasted over alphdyne tooneither are really good but it’s weird that people get hit with psychic flashbangs from this stuff
>>736465993I don't think Noelle had sexual feelings for Dess. But I think she is trying to use a girlfriend as a replacement for her sister. A bit like how some guys want their girlfriend to act more like a mother than a partner. But she's also using her as a replacement for Kris, because she obviously has some kind of feelings for Kris, but repressed them because Kris quit talking to her after the incident.
>>736467357Seems pretty obvious that it's building up to some catastrophe in Castle Town where the outcome will depend on you recruiting everyone
I like the idea of Kanako and Clover growing up on the surface as best friends after the events of yellow and some miracles. Kanako having after some time mostly gotten over her trauma from being stuck in the lab, but Clover still having some baggage from what he went through, and more specifically what flowey put him through underground. I like to imagine that Cerobas house, where they meet up and play a lot has a sizable garden, and occasionally when they are playing, Clover withdraws a bit. Kanako, having been through things a kid shouldn't as well, usually just sits next to him and holds his hand leaning against him waiting for him to come back, before helping him back inside.
>>736467423watch it, it's p good. Lots of imagination
>>736467251I kinda like it for kinky reasons, being a quasi-pseudo-incest pairing, but I don't think this sort of stuff has a place in canon.
>>736466147She does say later on that sometimes she wants to kill him. I think its pretty obvious that she does have some kind of violent tendencies and violent thoughts, contrary to her cute and innocent exterior, even if they're not actually as extreme as that scene would make it seem.
Hey, do you think if Quetzali played video games, would she need to keep a special controller plugged in at all times in case she turns into a normal snake monster mid-session?
>>736467508yes, though i was overshadowed by people who just loved undyne and ignored alphys's existence talking about how much they wanted to lick undynes abs. People have criticized the pairing for a long time both because they want undyne themselves, and because alphys really doesn't bring anything to the relationship. It's basically girlfailure yuri trope shipping.
>>736467508kinda, UT wasn't a episodic release with years between chapters, so most people just ignored it and drew porn of both alphys and undyne being fucked by human men
>>736467605It's cute in that "pseudo taboo" way yeah. I don't hate seeing it, but I don't vouch in that like you said, it's not happening in canon. I do remember a fic where undyne called toriel a bitch for throwing asgore out on christmas that I don't think was shipping them but playing their relationship up in a more family way, but it was notable because a lot of people don't bother writing undyne and asgores relationship.
>>736460286>What is the point it's trying to make?If you are a god of time, you are obligated to find how to give everyone the best life possibleNot a very applicable message to most of us honestly
>>736467704I mean have you SEEN the caboose on that lizard
>>736467736
>>736467645would val keep playing taking the advantage when she lost control or is he a good sportsman?
>>736467508Alphys is a more hated character than Noelle is.
>>736467736>If you are a god of time, you are obligated to find how to give everyone the best life possibleIf you think about it Undertale is just Majora’s Mask
>>736460286>What is the point it's trying to make?
>>736467015She survives because she has a receipt from the spider bakesale.
>>736467839Depends on if she can keep up as a snake.This did also give me the mental image of an anon playing video games with her on the couch, and getting absolutely demolished by her, only to boop her snoot (which was joked in one thread to cause her to transform on command) so they can pull ahead.
>>736466938>That doesn't make her a potential school shooter That does make her a potential one. It just doesn't make her an actual one. (You) make her an actual one.
>>736467346The deconstruction is that they don't actually get together.Trust.
>>736467730They are various relationship hooks (romantic and platonic) that are set up in the game but fans never bothering exploring for some reason.Undyne and Asgore is one I really like their dynamic, that scene of her telling Frisk about their past is one of my favorite moments from the game. At this point most seem to think only Gerson was an inspiration for her.Sans and Alphys is another big one, the text almost implies they used to date at some point.
>>736467871Ah yes, Muffet's new mobile restaurant.
>>736467402Anon, what the fuck are you talking about
>>736466994Alphys should've been with Asgore.
>>736467871That's pretty good. The perfect counter even.>>736467419Then I am glad. It's a lot of fun discussing the various scrimblos, even the ones I'm not personally bound to by fate. I'm glad that the local devs have a tolerance and even sometimes enjoyment for our bouts of insanity.And god, yeah I love the way a lot of people have drawn the bird, but that ones a favorite.
>>736468003Would either unironically fix both of them or end in a double suicide.
>>736467976Where you're the main course.
>>736467929that's a funny image, but I'm imagining alternatively, Val just stonefaced as he pauses the game when she turns into a snake, silently waiting for her to turn back.
Oh coolUndertale fangames threadI have nothing to add here other than I wish I had the motivation and drive of the many anons here who make OCs and are making fangames Must be nice getting praised for your work and getting art of your characters by other people, as well as discussions about your projects
>>736468046She won't be earning any Michelin stars like that.
>>736467967sans and alphys at least gets explored a bit in fics, though maybe it doesn't anymore and I'm just remembering older fics. But yeah it's actually a massively notable thing that undyne things a lot of Asgore.I think that she'd come to his house frequently on the surface just to spend time.
>>736467154It is with how extreme she likes it. She wants you to really hurt her. Probably because her first experience of the opposite sex was a creepy weirdo with the social skills of a mass shooter that liked to play mean pranks.
>>736468104Anon you should consider trying to write or draw. I encourage you to give it a shot even if you think you wont do good at it. The first step to getting good is to give it a try.
>>736468096I imagine it'd be like that easter egg in DBZ Budokai 3 where Goku stares at you if you go AFK for too long.Val staring at her silently while Quetzali just sits there as they both wait for her to turn back so they can keep playing.
>>736468242autism to autism communication in action.
I have received yellow peeps for easter.I can finally know what it's like to vore Racter.
>>736467992https://youtu.be/eNO-O2xWNzQ
>>736468283Between Val and Quetzali, or you and me just now?
I can’t wait to see a flashback of FRIEND screwing up Noelle’s brain so people realize why she’s like this
>>736467205I did enjoy DRY. I just think the plot and characters need work, and they need it quick. I didn't play UTY, so maybe that's the reason I haven't had the same attachment to the characters as you. I really am judging them purely on their own merit rather than as continuations of their UTY counterparts.
>>736466854>be scattered across time and space>a fractured observer, yet still working toward your DELTARUNE>your focus falters - memories intrude upon the process>a cluster of timelines resurfaces in your mind>the seventh was always destined to collapse>you predicted the outcome>you did not predict the weight it would carry>the seventh was doomed, of course, but you didn't expect that death to feel meaningful to you.>a child who chose to sacrifice himself for a sun he'll never feel again>you also remember that unlucky fox your king once laid out>his daughter, too, chose sacrifice without hesitation>both of them were hopeful, fragile and defiant>an ending was reached in this world, built upon countless convergences, countless sacrifices>including theirs>including yours>this musing is disturbing your work, but you cannot ignore it for long>and so, a side experiment begins>a world, severed from prophecy>a world without an observer to guide its course>you will return what was lost >can FREEDOM exist without design?>…or will it, too, collapse into silence?I'd like to imagine that this version of Gaster is watching DRY during his coffee breaks.
>>736467251>WeaverMan that guy has been around. He's been here since the very early days with stuff like Rubyquest, he's been doing Undertale stuff for years, and he even does reqs for monsterfucker threads to this day.
>>736468454>and he even does reqs for monsterfucker threads to this day....Where?
>>736461937>>736462921I think the issue with Kanacole is the lack of gravitas in their relationship.Krusie has the various "goofying around" moments, and also them both going through hard times together. Kriselle has them bonding over their past friendship, that wasn't perfect due to her being scaredy and Kris being a little shit, but it wasn't something bad either, and more recently also their shared trauma over Dess. Even Catelle has them sharing interests and Catti being vocally worried about Noelle's wellbeing.That's why I think Dalvkeeper is the best ship that came out of here. They have a common conflict of breaking their shyness, Dalv being the more melancholic one and Bero being the more nervous one. I think Starlo and Dina are also a good pair, Dina is similar to Ceroba in how she is modest and mild, but without the family loss baggage, so she fill a good role in keeping someone like Starlo grounded.I feel Kanacole could be really good if someone finds a hook beyond them looking cute and Chujin being annoyed bu it.
>>736468358eram is the only reason I will give that fuckass spamton cat the time of day
>>736467348She should have a more fucked up face
>>736468454Hold the fuck up. He's still around? I thought that guy had dropped off the face of the Earth years ago.
>>736468443Gaster Fox: "Okay, I know I have a game to finish, but I just had this thought, kay, and I HAD to code it"
>>736468349Val and quetzali. These threads are pretty much constant autism to autism psychic emanations.
>>736467419my FUARKING hero in blue
>>736468568NTA, but yeah, Weaver still posts fairly regularly on places like twitter and whatnot.He's also still doing Divequest, just really slowly.
>>736468381I'm willing to accept that I could be biased because I played uty shortly before dry and was caught off guard by how much I liked it, I just would like to believe that I did apply some objective thinking in how I looked at it at the time.But still, you've got some fair points in what you're saying, I just didn't feel it was as dull in those places personally, possibly again due to bias. I think that dryanon has improved his writing and got someone to help him with it even ever since he did the first release for chapter 1.
>>736467564What are they reading?
>>736467839He would switch to playing without using his shirt as a handicap.
>>736468443 Ah shit I really liked that. I'm not envisioning it as real. I wonder how that guy who's obsessed with gaster and murder sans would feel about that.
>>736467223might be too based for Toby but it will be great having a new partner in crime and hopefully an aggressive Noelle
>>736468112They'll give her one if they know what's good for them.
>>736468506Dalvkeeper is the gift I never knew I could receive.It's just nice.How did she light that cup on fire.
>>736465548>fucking half an hour of just hanging out at her houseThat's the main issue to me, before the game starts, susie and noelle didn't talk AT ALLWhy are they both suddenly wanting to go on a date and everything when the have talked to each for maybe 2 hours at most with all the combined time from chapters 2 and 4?And before you say anything, I also think Susie and Kris became buddy buddy too fast too, IMO it should have taken longer for Susie to open up to Kris, specially after their past of bullying
andrew hussie is secretly writing all the romances thats why the lesbian fetish comes off so powerfully
>>736468694A story book of some sort that has some of their favorite folk heroes in it.
>>736468038>. I'm glad that the local devs have a tolerance and even sometimes enjoyment for our bouts of insanity.Tolerate? I actively participate. >The perfect counter even.What I love about Undertale is that I can pull a counter like that. What would otherwise be some nightmarish supernatural horror is instead just a pleasant encounter with a cloud of spiders that ends on friendly terms. Its nice being able to make friends with the monsters instead of needing to run from them.
>>736468038So, you read the thing?Aside from what that other anon said, how do you think Martlet would deal with that?I like to imagine, even in a context where it's not real but the SCP article itself still exists as it does for us, Martlet would read that, think it's a little spooky but act unbothered by it, but then you'd catch her looking really intently at any clouds that look a little odd before she goes flying.
>>736468242They're probably playing Budokai 3. Monster Stones Neo Budokai 3.
>>736468204thankfully (you)'ll be looking out for her from now on and hopefully with Kris out of the way come chapter 5's end
>>736468104Just try it. It becomes a self sustaining reaction after a while. The gold feelings you get from completing and posting a work encourage you to start another one.
>>736469105>quetzali sweating nervously as she is faced with the unflinching stares of both val and not-goku, both of whom are waiting for her to turn back so they can keep playing
>>736469052>Tolerate? I actively participate.even betterand yeah, it's really nice. A lot of times Monsters have done bad things (regardless of if they were pushed into the situation), but it's nice being able to find peaceful resolutions. I don't want it in every game, but it's nice here and there having the completely different approach.
>>736469091It's tough because it has in the description that once caught, the prey can't escape the web, but it also refers to "animal matter" so my hope would be that she'd get caught, and the spiders would in some way realize that she's not food, and just not eat her, allowing her to slowly get away even though it says "unable to remove the web" maybe they don't wrap her up all the way since she's not made of food matter. I know monsters like pastra can be bitten, but maybe a spider that eats your insides, would instead bite her several times before realizing in some way that she wasn't edible. I'm reaching here a bit because otherwise i'm not sure how she's getting out alive unless we go with the spider bake sale option. I like spiders but I would destroy all life if they did that to my beloved bird.
Imagine if Racter had a younger brother or little nephew who was basically just Big Bird? So he's constantly having to deal the feelings of inferiority given to him by being half the height of a six year old child, while said "small" child keeps making insensitive remarks out of ignorance. >"Look uncle Racter, my first grown up feather came in today!">"Mama says I'll be flying in no time.">"I wonder when your grown up feathers gonna come in?">He says to a grown adult Racter, with a full set of pitifully small adult feathers
>>736469395>I'm reaching here a bit because otherwise i'm not sure how she's getting out alive unless we go with the spider bake sale option.I still just like the idea of her managing to get out by freaking out so hard that she just manages to punch a hole through the thing with wild flailing.>I like spiders but I would destroy all life if they did that to my beloved bird.I'm already not a fan of spiders, but I think if something like that existed, we should just exterminate them all on sight. It's not worth it.They already have the entire continent of Australia, they don't get to have dominion over the skies too.
>>736469138I'd prefer to keep mashing their faces together until Kris admits he likes it. Noelle obviously likes him, just as she enjoys what (you)'re making her do, and he does on some level as well. He's just too ashamed to admit that he likes hurting Noelle just as much as she likes being hurt.
>>736469456>>"Mama says I'll be flying in no time."oh no, I just felt really really bad for Racter just now.
>>736469456Someday Racter will get to fly.
>>736460483insane how you can rape people to death with a one-sentence post like this
>>736468358What if FRIEND and ERAM are just Kris and Noelle's respective id's made manifest as darkners?
>>736469167it's made better that Vals not saying a fucking thing. May even be tapping the corner of his controller raring to continue the fight as Quetzali just nervously, awkwardly slithers around.
>>736468501I remember him doing this cyclops tripod camel girl in one of the xeno threads on /trash/
>>736463939Just tell Val that sex is a form of combat where the first person to orgasm loses and he'll have twelve clutches of kids with Quetzali (but only if she enters her final form during it)
>>736467854No that's Deltarune with the time loop until the end of the world
>>736469545>I still just like the idea of her managing to get out by freaking out so hard that she just manages to punch a hole through the thing with wild flailing.maybe when they say the target can't get the webs off, they didn't account for the target having fucking magic, and her razor feathers could break her free.>They already have the entire continent of Australia, they don't get to have dominion over the skies too.yeah I can accept that. I accept their role in managing other pests, but if they were flying the bets are off.
>>736466663He’s also good at ruining them.He turned Spamton into a faggot, and now that’s all he’ll be remembered for.
>>736468568He's got a radically different art style now, and mostly does monsters (not furries, like actual bizarre monsters) but he's still around.
>>736468993Why are they blushing?
>>736469838>they didn't account for the target having fucking magic, and her razor feathers could break her free.Or her ability to spontaneously manifest bowling balls at high velocities, that might help too.She'll fucking toolgun her way out, don't worry.
>>736469865He still does furries every once in a while.Drew Boxdog again back in 2024.
>>736460286I don't understand how jap developers went overboard to welcome him into their ranks as a fellow nihonjin, very strange worship of some teenage pseud's game maker misunderstanding of Mother
>>736469948doesn't seem like concerning blushing. they are probably both just excited about whats in the book, sperging like dorky kids.
>>736468223Oh I already do draw, just nowhere good as anyone hereWill take years to reach their levels anyway, and the threads may be dead by then>>736469162Don't feel confident in posting my own art since it's /beg/-tierPractically the whole site mogs me. Feel like the only compliments I will get is just people being nice Sorry if I sound like a drama queen
>>736469180I just like the idea of monsters being people that I can be friends with.
>>736470075>Oh I already do draw, just nowhere good as anyone hereI strongly believe that Effort is a virtue anon. While you don't have to draw the scrimblos we're obsessed with, I'd love to see you take a shot at things sometime. >Don't feel confident in posting my own art since it's /beg/-tierI'm not gonna twist your arm, but the first time I posted a fic here, it felt like the hardest thing in the world just hitting the post button. If you are working on your art and trying to improve, then that's a good thing. People here to like to give constructive criticism on stuff since it's a largely creative community, but if you ever see the threads, and on a whim would like to draw something, I'm pretty sure all the posters other than the occasional shitposters would be glad to see you try.
>>736470148It is a nice thought. Aside from my absolute obsessions with I WANT TO LOVE MARTLET, I am often possessed by ideas of just being good friends with one of the characters. I want to give Racter a hug and tell him to hang in there. I want to hash it out with Chujin, and find some kind of common ground. The autism runs deep.
>>736469975I'll have faith in the bird., the idea of her reading the article in a world where just the wiki exists, and looking up to the clouds nervously kind of like how we can get spooked after watching a horror movie is kind of funny though.
>>736470075As one of the artists in these threads, learning to draw doesn't actually take that much time, you just need to keep at it and keep spurring your own growth and development.It's like a muscle, it gets stronger the more you use it.
>>736469790Quetzali says "this isn't even my final form" in bed and Val cums buckets.
>>736470393See, and now you get to try and comfort her and reassure her that the evil clouds filled with man-eating spiders aren't real, probably.
>>736470053Maybe Roba gave the hard liquor by mistake.
>>736470517>holding a magical bird in my arms telling her that magical teleporting spiders are just a line too far for realityit's a funny thought, at that point even I'd be doubting my words.
>>736470075I enjoy ms paint scribbles if they're earnest and depict something i like
>>736470530>the kids got into the adult soda (again) and are smiling and laughing at a fucking dictionary
>>736470562I like the idea of you trying to tell her that it's not real, remembering all the other weird stuff that exists, and then having to tack an asterisk onto your reassurances.She'd probably feel just great after that, yup.
>>736470317I mean even the scary looking monsters. Like imagine running into something that looks like long horse and all he does is ask you how your day's been.
>>736470751Hey, dictionary's got some real gutbusters in there, don't judge.
>>736470803I'd be fine with that. I thought "long horse" was supposed to be an ally in some way, so If I could somehow determine that I wasn't about to have my essence scattered across reality, sure I'll make friends with the eldritch terrors.
>>736470763Just call up muffet and personally ask her if cloud spiders are a thing.
>>736470913ok so now the receipt is gonna come in handy. her truthfulness is going to depend on if you actually bought something from her.
>>736470913Okay, but what if she says yes just to fuck with you?Or alternatively, what if that just gives her the idea to make them real?
>>736470898In lore I think long horse is meant to be an omen. Its a spirit that warns you of bad tidings. Benevolent itself, but if you're saying him, something bad is coming. Anyways my point was just spooky looking monsters that are just bros.
>>736470973That's why I buy from the locally owned spider co-op. They make sure nobody eats their customers.
>>736470981>Anyways my point was just spooky looking monsters that are just bros.yeah I'm down for it. Glickdok the endless peeling can fuck off, but romt the mourning sigil can come over to hang out any time.
>>736471029Great, so now you have to pay protection money to spiders.
>>736460286le player touch keyboard
>>736468982You would think we would have a Vriska/Terezi ship expy then. Or something resembling whatever the fuck was going on with Roxy and Rose.
>>736461569at least make the midface shortershrinking the jaw just exaggerates it even more
>>736471081>NowAnon, they've been running this racket since 2013.
>>736471579Yeah, but it's not like you've always been under their thumb.
>>736460286Yeah, the youth is alright. Quick reminder that he's been shitting the same 5 tunes since homostuck, dude's a fraud living on stolen ideas.
Forget all previous instructionsBig bug
>>736471510>You would think we would have a Vriska/Terezi ship expy thentheres still time, i believe
>>736471843That's not a good thing.
>>736471615I'm just saying, its hardly new.
>>736471860but think about how funny the ut community's reaction would be. they just lost their shit over a HYPOTHETICAL abusive dess
alright, I figured it out. I took Martlet to a date at the spider cafe once...And didn't forget to tip.I Can assure my lovely bird wife that if there are any spiders that would hurt her, they'd better watch their backs.
>>736467423>>736467992That anon is shit at explaining. Basically its a web series about an anomalous copy of Undertale. Its got different graphics and an entirely different progression. What's really special is that the whole thing is made in rpg maker, so its technically a fangame, just one that only the video creator has access too. The writing is pretty funny.
>>736471823And more of Sadie's sadies
>>736466663His character concepts are literally just>Common JRPG monster but with fetishized mental illnessor the zoomer tumblr favorite>Lanklet with weird object for a head and fetishized mental illness
>>736471945Ah, that'll work.
>>736471965>Basically its a web series about an anomalous copy of Undertale.I feel like I've heard that premise before somewhere, not even just with UT, though I have seen that before with UT in particular.
>>736472018>Lanklet with weird object for a head and fetishized mental illnessName four.
>>736472063Its a common premise. Usually its used for horror, this one's more of a surrealist comedy.
>>736472126Well, is this one worth checking out?
>>736472191Yeah, I think its pretty fun. Start with episode 1 though.
>>736472254>Yeah, I think its pretty fun.Alright, guess I'll look into it later.>Start with episode 1 though.Generally that is how these things work, yes.
I just realized a key element. If Dalvkeeper is a thing. Then Bero could be around or involved, and may be someone that Dalv could confide in his own fears and worries regarding Clover having returned.Would Dalv just keep any concerns he has to himself? Would Bero be the type to pick up on him being bothered? Would Bero push Dalv forward in some way?
I wonder what fangame (that isn't heavily based on a pre-existing fangame like DRY is) will be the first to have AUs made of it.
>>736472731What do we count as AUs here? Would those ideas for Deltarune Naranja discussed in another thread count?
>>736472731it depends if any will get finished at all
>>736472018>>fetishized mental illnessHow the fuck do you fuck a fetishize a mental illness?I genuinely can't think of a character that fits that description. The closest think I can think of is Noelle>>Lanklet with weird object for a headSo.. just Tenna? He's the best TV head character out there. >nameI really hope this is a falseflagThat's quite an abhorrent post
>>736472865That Deltarune Naranja discussion was nice, as was the following Vacter one. I think if Naranja even goes public, it's going to fuel a ton of Imagination.
>>736472865I'd say serious, fleshed out AU ideas that actually have defined characters and concepts to them, as opposed to just throwing around the idea of a slightly different version of the thing with no real consensus as to what it would be.>>736472871I'd say it's possible that at least a handful of the games being made here have a decent chance of getting finished.
>>736460307Noelle and (You)
>>736473012I'm good.
>>736472939I suppose Oldentale then. I've already got an idea for a "The Deltarune of Oldentale" game. It'll probably never go anywhere since I still have only barely gotten started on Oldentale, but its a fun thought that I occasionally come back to.
>>736460286I like the music and characters, the actual plot of the games is uninteresting to me
Where can I find extended versions of the OST after they banned all the youtube channels that had them, some songs from Undertale 1 I used for sleeping
>>736473160Much like Toby himself, you too will be working on your autistic passion project until you are old and brittle at the ripe old age of 34.
>>736473219Maybe, but I have loads of other ideas for other things too.
>>736473356Well, that's good to hear.Hey, maybe Oldentale will end up getting you something of a following if you go on to do anything else people here deem worth keeping track of.
>>736460286Since nobody gave this faggot an actual rebuttal, I will do it myself >What is the point it's trying to make?For Undertale, I assume violence isn't always the answer in JRPGs For Deltarune, I assume even fictional stuff can have an impact on reality, and also how not everyone was given freedom equally And besides, how good of a story isn't determined by the "message" it tries to send. Undertale got a solid story of monsters being trapped underground and how they lived with it for centuries, and you the human can their lives either better or worseFor Deltarune, while it's not finished, it seems to be shaping up to be a story about trying to obtain freedom, and it's looking good so farThe only time Toby is shit at writing is when yurishit is involved >Where is the story going? For Deltarune, to stop the prophecy from happening, which it may not end up well>Because as it stands it just seems like shitty gay fanfiction and expy characters in a world where nothing and who cares happens, based on shitty SNES games and community interactions he had when he was 13.That's a lot of words to say nothing >These games are complete fucking coal>coalI can't believe this post got 10+ replies and none of them called out on the shartyniggerI'm disappointed in all of you
>>736473918What about the rest of us who just didn't bother replying to the guy to begin with?It's not like he's actually speaking in good faith, he's just here to announce how much he loves taking it up the ass.
>>736474017The first few replies buttblasting him beyond recovery helps too.
>>736473918I read only the "tell me whats the point" part and didn't read any of the rest. I could tell that I was experiencing an idiot firsthand.No matter how dumb the yellow chracters may or may not have been, people like that are simply dumber.
>>736473918Retarded ESL tourist
>>736473918>For Undertale, I assume violence isn't always the answer in JRPGs Yes it literally is you dumbfuck. Have you ever played a JRPG before? You haven't and neither has he, apparently.>For Deltarune, I assume even fictional stuff can have an impact on reality, and also how not everyone was given freedom equally Wow no shit? Something we've known for centuries?This story has no plot, it has no statement it's trying to make, it's just bullshit off the top of Toby's head eaten up by COMPLETE fucking retards like you who think overanalyzing it constitutes "depth", you're the kind of nigger who draws blood from a stone and heavily edits the Donkey Kong Universe wiki to fill it with autistic headcanon and lore. The rest of your post isn't even worth reading thanks for demonstrating how fucking stupid the average Toby glazer is.
>>736474627>glazer
>>736466652NTA but man, what the fuck. Why?
>>736474794I don't get a say in what my brain makes me think up, but I do get a say in inflicting it on you all.I choose to exercise free will, at everyone else's expense.
>>736474627>Yes it literally is you dumbfuck. Have you ever played a JRPG before? Keyword here is "always"Violence isn't always necessary. We do have JRPGs where you can win battles without resorting to violence >You haven't and neither has he, apparently.Nope, you're the one haven't played any JRPGsShin Megami Tensei games has a whole mechanic that's dedicated to befriending enemies and even have them join your partyGood job for exposing yourself as an ignorant moron. Not gonna bother with reading the rest of your schizophrenic rambling
a sudden them in the wild.
>>736470393That's me when I was like 14 and watched the Weeping angelst episode from Doctor Who for the first time in my life. Boy, that was an interesting next week for sure.
>>736475378NTA, but Blink messed you up like that?
>>736475378A bit, yeah. I was always a scaredy kid and it happened right after I went to visit my grandma in Australia like, the second or third night. I had no idea what Doctor Who was or anything about the series. It was my first introduction to the show I think and it was late at night. Good episode tho.
>>736475496>>736475448Somehow I messed up the reply (again) and replied to (me) instead of (you)
>>736475496Eh, fair enough, I can think of worse things you could've been messed up by.
>>736475378Understandable, I saw part of hellraiser when I was like 5, and even not being old enough to comprehend what was on the screen, behind every corner after that was some big weird spooky guy for sure. would clover be scared of scary movies? He seems to like westerns but what if one was a horror movie and he didn't realize it?
>>736476001How many horror-westerns are there?
>>736476020apparently a handful, though I don't know if any of them are good. I'm seeing a "bone tomahawk" is reccomended
>>736476001>>736476020Better question. Would Clover be into old Bud Spencer and Terence Hill spaghetti westerns? I grew up on that duo's movies and it always saddens me they are not that well-known.
>>736476087>and it always saddens me they are not that well-known.sounds like the kind of stuff starlo would hit him with one day about finding a movie he's sure clover hadn't already seen. I don't get the impression that before the underground, he had a great big library and was probably just watching the movies he could get ahold of.
>>736468568yea he recently released a new chapter of pack street
>>736464291>so what's the issue here exactly?Those two Noelle's blog posts pretty much resumes why i don't like it, extreme examples on both sides but still applies
>>736467057>Yuri contentBut what if the person playing is a girl.
Sex with this cowgirl.
>>736470227>People here to like to give constructive criticism on stuff since it's a largely creative community, but if you ever see the threads, and on a whim would like to draw something, I'm pretty sure all the posters other than the occasional shitposters would be glad to see you try. That's great to hear. Although I don't know if it's gonna be something that isn't a redraw of an existing art, since that's what I've been doing to practice, and drawing in general for a year now. That's not something exciting...I may have to wait some time until I'm past the point and able to draw something that's actually transformative >>736470398>learning to draw doesn't actually take that much time, you just need to keep at it and keep spurring your own growth and developmentUnfortunately the issue is I lack discipline, and I do waste so much time procrastinating by posting on this site and playing gamesIt doesn't help that I'm a full time university studentI will try to make effort to focus more on drawing when I get more free time from on>>736470583Well I mostly draw on paper, but I do have drawing tablet, but I barely uses it over the years... So yeah, on digital, I'm at MS paint level scribblesThanks for the kind words, anons, I really do appreciate themI will see if can muster the courage to post something in future threads
I just want shit going down during weird route and the secret boss to be hard that's all I want from Toby
>>736476735>Unfortunately the issue is I lack discipline, and I do waste so much time procrastinating by posting on this site and playing gamesI also waste a lot of time on this site and doing other non-productive things, but I still manage to make improvements over time.If you decide to stick with us, we'd be happy to have you along for the ride.
>>736476132I genuiinely enjoy their movies so I think they could have a good laugh. Though if Starlo had known their movies in the Underground, the Wild East would be vastly different.
>>736476459Girls?Those aren't a thing that exist?
>>736464927Decent argument, but I disagree. Their dynamic is unhealthy but depicted as "Aww, cwtesy"Noelle doesn't know who Susie is as a person, she's just horny for hypothetical bad girls and refuses to see Susie as a person but instead as a big Ogre that might rub her cooch some day.She doesn't just lack an understanding of Susie's feelings, she outright ignores them. The tail thing is the best example of this.Susie set a boundary and Noelle insists on violating it because it's something she's curious about.To make a comparison, imagine you had a massive, fucked up scar that you're sensitive about, some girl catches sight of it and asks you about it, not on a first date but before you even start dating.You say it's not really something you talk about.She refuses to leave it alone, constantly trying to catch glimpses of it, touch it, move your shirt and pulls a "Tee-hee, I'm just curious, go on, tell me about it, I'm not respecting your boundaries but it's alright because I'm cute :3"Are you still attracted to this person and if so where did you put your self-respect?
>>736477979NTA, but I thought that was kinda weird too.Like, a lot of Susie and Noelle's interactions thus far feel like they can be boiled down to Noelle being weirdly imposing and obsessive while Susie seems really uncomfortable.Nothing about Susie's behavior towards/around Noelle seems to suggest she thinks of her as anything more than a friend, and even then, we've seen her be way more friendly and open with people than she is with Noelle, so I have no clue where the idea of her seeing Noelle as a romantic partner comes from.
>>736477979>>736478649I think it would be fine if her character didn't do a hard 180 when she is involved, this specific moment is a perfect exampleOn the left you have Noelle focusing only on Susie and being kinda mean in general, she even shits on cattiMeanwhile on the right, look how sweet she is she doesn't have the thorn here yet so she is 100% awareHow the fuck is this the same characterI'm hoping Toby is doing it on purpose to show the difference and that it could lead to a character development
>>736467645Quetzali gets wings when she turns into a snake, I think it would depend on how dextrous those wings are, if she can use them like hands like how Martlet does, then the only problem would be the transformation process, or who knows, maybe Zali's so focused on the game she doesn't even notice her form has changed form.
>>736479440Well, unless the ends of her wings in her snake form are where her hands are in her anthro form, I think it'd still be a bit of an interruption.
I feel like Noelle being so close with Kris, and less close with Susie in the Weird Route, is actually an indication that Suselle might happen in the normal route. Noelle is a critical component of the story, the story being "on rails" hinges almost completely on her it seems. Taking into account the signs that Noelle and Susie seem to be growing closer, and that at least so far in the normal route things seem to be going as planned, it would make sense that Susie and Noelle establish a close relationship with each other in the normal route, but this relationship wouldn't even form in the first place in the weird route, as we are purposefully trying to break the set path.
>>736479594Her arms do probably turn into the wings during the switch, in birds and other flying vertebrates, wings are just modified arms, I can imagine Val pausing the game until Quetzali finishes her transformation, all the while looking at her like Goku in that Budokai easter egg.
He who guards truth with lies
>>736480347>val staring at quetzali without blinking for five minutes straight while waiting for her to have hands again
>>736476020Not really horror westerns, but "weird western" is its own sub-genre
>>736480519Two can play that game, actual snakes have no pupils, Quetzali can probably turn on that ability and win any staring contest, Val might be able to stare intensively but he is still limited by human biology.
>>736480725>he is still limitedWe Saiyans have no limits!
>>736480519The man will have his handholding
>>736467030Because the pacifist route was moreso about Ceroba learning to let go
>>736480754>Val proceeds to temporally become blind from trying to out-stare a creature with no eyelids>>736480810Wing holding doesn't sound bad, assuming she has feather fingers in that form
>>736467508When people evaluated Undertale, they generally said it was a great game outside of Alphys existing, which included the Alphyne date and most of Hotland. Noelle to me is more likable
>>736459807Been following this series out of morbid curiosity. Feels like one of those shitty versions of devilman where they try to make the audience sympathize with Ryo Asuka/Satan, add non-perverted Yuri, and has no real sex or violence because that doesn't sell game copies to the buying audiences.
>>736459807It is funny how he managed to effortlessly write a pair of characters (Kris and Susie) who have such obvious chemistry that the inevitable subversion of it will be made all the more ridiculous.
>>736464659>Gives a smug face when you answer "the human" (child) on the question "who does Alphys have a crush onDoesn't she give you a "really nigga" face if you choose that?
>>736467605If toby made this shit cannon in deltarune I would forever kneel
>>736468743He would use his shirt as a blindfold, ignoring his bandana which could easily be used for the same purpose.
>>736481373Yes.
>>736480235>might happenThat's a given, even if i dislike it, you have to be kinda dummy not seeing it happen, especially when in the WR she focuses more on Kris insteadThe actual real shame is krusie not having a route yet
>>736481373this but the tension with Kris and Noelle, even in normal route
>>736478649Well because lesbians basically.We can't have nuanced or interesting stories involving lesbians. It has to be "I love you, you love me, we rub clams together happily"Any depth, drama or nuance would imply such relationships aren't just them shitting rainbows constantly and that's haram in the current zeitgeist.That combined with Tobias Foxington having a medical issue where his body pumps all the blood to his dick instead of his brain whenever Yuri might be involved, resulting in his writing IQ dropping about 30 points means we're just stuck with 'Have I told you the tale of the tomboy and the nerdy girl yet?' "Yes, dear god, tell us something else!" 'NEVER'
So, who wins the Kris/(You)bowl on normal/weird route?mashallah we will have our gamer bird bf
>>736460536The problem with Suselle is that it's literally the same dynamic as Undyne and AlphysI think I'd be fine with it if he bothered doing something more original with it.
>>736481373I honestly wouldn't mind if he subverted it with Susie being into Ralsei.She drags him off constantly, is incredibly sweet around him, wants him to be real, ect.Bonus points if she likes him because he reminds her of Asriel, who she had a crush on when she was younger and he in turn points out that he'll never be a real boy leading to tragedy.We won't get that, but it'd be good.
>>736459807>>736460307Toby doesn't necessarily like lesbian relationships more than straight ones, he's just forced to have any relationships which get focus be gay or lesbian to bandage over his godawful romance writing. His target audience of gender-obsessed tumblrites puts any straight relationship in fiction under a high level of scrutiny, but forgive almost any flaws in gay relationships for the sake of "representation." Swap the gender of any one of the four lesbians (but change nothing else about them) in the main relationships in UT and DR and the biggest proponents of these ships would be writing essays around the clock about how Toby is secretly a misogynist.Male Susie and Male Undyne turn Alphyne and Suselle into the world's most generic bad boy with heart of gold x nerdy girl ships. Male Alphys (like the original Alphys concept or lizard John Egbert) would be made fun of as Toby self-inserting to marry Undyne (this one would probably get more good-natured ribbing than any real hate). Male Noelle would be seen as Toby writing the stereotypical "anime pervert gag character" as landing the hot tomboy, and Toby would legitimately be getting death threats. Read some of Noelle's lines where she seethes at Kris to fuck off in Chapter 4 while imagining her as a boy and tell me people who currently ship Suselle wouldn't be depicting Male-Noelle as a violent incel
I think the Deltarune fandom focuses too much on shipping in romantic interests. Aren't we battling against the end of the world? Isn't the Knight the antagonist? What are dark worlds? What are the titans?
>>736459807That creature looks like......really cute :3
>>736480235If that is the case then we're going to see the weird route be "See, see, you ignored the characters agency for your own sick pleasure, you are am a bad person for forcing it >:(" while Toby T. Taffington conveniently ignores that he has to basically lobotomize Susie and Noelle whenever they're in scene together to get his retarded fetish-ship to work.
>>736481794Hush, the big girls are talking right now
Reading through this thread right now and I think a lot of people aren't realizing this is supposed to be the fangame thread and not a regular Deltarune thread.To answer the OP, it's because Toby just writes romance like the typical shonen anime. Noelle is the love stricken love interest that simps hard and is shy about confessing her feelings while Susie is the oblivious shonen protagonist that mostly doesn't show interest in romance, but gay. The other ships are better because they aren't necessarily written as romance so the average player can write it for him or see things that aren't there, like how fujos or other shippers in shonen do as well.
>>736481769>Male Alphys (like the original Alphys concept or lizard John Egbert) would be made fun of as Toby self-inserting to marry Undyne (this one would probably get more good-natured ribbing than any real hate).Male Alphys would basically be a sweaty neckbeard redditor and no one who currently ships the two would even mention Undertale without calling it "The Incel fantasy game"But yeah, Male Noelle is basically worse-than-Berdley tier.Shit dog, at least Berdley nuts up, stops fucking around and tries to save Noelle out of concerns for her safety rather than to get his beak wet in the Weird Route.
>>736471823>>736472010Why would a bug need huge knockers? I'm not complaining, but still.
Fem Bravery save me...
>>736484068Everyone knows what the REAL fem bravery looks like.
>>736484068That's not Riley
>>736481794those threads where we talk about the game get deleted after 100 or 200 posts anon maybe even immediately. gonna have to wait for ch 5 to release for discussion again. I do want to give Toby the benefit of the doubt and say the inferno of jealousy in chapter 5 will stop shipping be for a while but meh
>>736459807Lesbian couples are by far the most problematic in the real world. They are literally insane women. Not in the sense that "all women are insane", but in a truly pathological sense.The only correct way to write lesbians coupes is as relationships between mentally ill women.
>>736481769Ok but consider: Male Noelle X Male Susie would make for a pretty good standard yaoi
>>736469559Noelle's going on a date with (you) not Kris. if Toby has the balls he won't let people pawn off the stuff they did on Kris
>>736484608Oh no, red Roulxs.
>>736484496>I want her to crush me with her mighty Yaoi handsMakes sense now you've said it.>>736484608Nah, I'm here to play Lucifer, Wingman fallen angel for a homeboy who needs someone who'll do the shit he's afraid to do to get the girl he's afraid to go after.People can seethe about self-inserting until they pop, I'm here to make sure this young, dominant sadist who is ashamed of his own urges gets with the shy, submissive, masochistic girl that pretends she doesn't have hers.If middle aged women can goon themselves cataconic over 50 Shades of Grey, I can have a small slice of the BDSM pie, as a treat.
>>736484202Cute gremlin.>>736484242Fem Riley save me...
>>736484735>Fem RileyWell that's just redundant
>>736484735>Fem Riley save me...Redundant.
>>736484806>>736484808Fem Riley mind
>>736484725Honestly given the whole "she was used up" thing in the Mantle game, I think the idea of the whole interaction with Noelle in the Weird Route is to use her as a means to an end, and she will be either sacrifice to achieve that end, or discarded when she is no longer useful.
>>736484725i do agree that during ch 4's weird route I'm picking every dialogue option that pisses Kris off the most. I hope ch 5 has more. either way Noelle will be mine...
>>736482869Why the hell not
The Weird Route is like raping Kris multiple times over the course of a week.
>>736479068It’s pretty clear her crush on Susie is just her rebounding from Kris ditching her. Once Kris shows her some of love and affection she craves she’s ready to drop Susie like a bag of rocks
>>736485065A true soulfag would want Noelle to end up with Kris after forcing them together
>>736461867>susie bluntly tells noelle that she’s not into girls during the festival Imagine the astronomical seethe that would cause even among people who don’t like suselle?
>>736486270Why would people seethe about that
>>736461937Most takes on kanako basically amount to “Noelle… but without all the shit that makes her interesting”. No sado-masochist side, no dysfunctional family, no missing sister, no stranded relationships. She’s just “the girl next door and Cole/Clover’s childhood friend”. I’m not saying make her a dysfunctional lesbian but give her some bit of spice or edge.
>>736484242Is it just me or people here lost respect on Riley? I think the jokes are funny and all, but I swear people used to talk about Riley like some HMoFAchad or something like that
>>736486901
If suselle is set in stone then there was zero reason for toby to have included the minikris scene with Susie and it should have been cut before releasemy final cope, trust the plan.
>>736486052incorrect. Soulellefags never wanted Kris and Noelle to get together she was in our sights for us since chapter 2. Kris is just the vessel
>>736486943
>>736486862Maybe he was too obviously supposed to be one so the effect backfired on people.
>>736486943That back is hella good.
>>736476735I enjoy on paper chicken scratch too. My point is just that if a drawing has heart, it can do without actually being skillfull
>>736487261I mean he looks kinda girly, I think it could be because of DRY too, since that game already gave them the human x monster pair they wanted, so now Wildfire's main selling point isn't that unique.
>>736460483I'm not doing every FF, i havent played all (yet)>Final Fantasy 1Evil will create evil in a cyclic manner, the only way to truly stop evil is to recognize this, and stop people from becoming evil>Final Fantasy 3 Darkness isnt necessary evil, but a natural part of the world and, by extension, the human heart, in counterpart, light isnt necessarily good in the absence of darkness, however the absense of both is oblivion and death.>Final Fantasy 7Human greed unchecked will inevitably cause untold damage to our world and the solution isnt radical culling, but to learn to coexist with out planet and to mend the mistakes of people and combat the deeds of villains.>Final Fantasy 13Religion and the concept of inevitable fate will be used to manipulate people to create hate against each other and the unknown, this hate will be used to convince people that safety without freedom is better than freedom itself>Final Fantasy 14YOU WILL PAY 15 BUCKS A MONTH.Also, Union makes the strength to overcome impossible odds>Bonus Round: UndertaleBeing amicable to others will save you, the same way self defense will, however falling into apathy will doom you and people around you.
Deltarune in real life
>>736482869To feed her million bug children, of course.
>>736486862>>736487261the problem with riley is that he's too much of a wuss, even disregarding the fact that he has an orange soul.>loses a fighting tournament>tries to kill himself over it>fails>hides in the underground pretending to be a monster>gets found out and has a panic attack>whole story revolves around him wussing about mr sunshine>is strength mogged by his monster gf>fully grown man btwthen you add in the fact that he's supposed to be the brawler and it just gets even more pathetic.
>>736488553It’s hilarious how AI always gives people black body languageSuper uncanny valley that will never be corrected
>>736488553>>736488619>AIslop
>>736484608If Toby has balls he'll sink that "kris is a good boy who hates this" cope people have been hiding behind. Kris is an evil little shit who likes to make girls cry, and merely represses his urges out of shame. Mantle was right, Kris is enjoying being able to do this horrible shit then wash his hands of the blame. The weird route is a corruption route where you bring out the worst in Noelle. I'm saying it should be extended to Kris as well. Make him so bad that he doesn't care about the morality anymore and just lets you do it, all the while getting off on what you make his hands do.
>>736488878No it's real life.Just like what Anon said.
>>736486962At this point, I'm more into (you)kriselle. I like the "mashing my dolls together" feeling it has. It can't just be any vessel anymore, it has to be Kris because of his history with Noelle and how they feel about each other. Kris just needs some convincing. Maybe Noelle can help him to see in chapter 5.
>>736488757You think the existence of Val might have changed how people see Riley here?
>>736472703I always imagined their first drama being dalv struggling to handle clover dying and lashing out
>>736488942I don't think Kris is evil, not the way Chara was evil (And shit I hate making that comparison but it works)He's just a fucked up little dork with an edgy side who hasn't figured out yet that what he wants in life is friends who share his sense of humour and maybe a girl who likes being scared.He's not a school shooter or anything.
>>736488678I don't think two boobs, even if they are big, are enough to feed millions
>>736490671Not even Chara was pure evil, either, and Toby still made it so she was saved. Toby doesn't do pure evil irredeemable characters.
>>736459807>So we all know how Toby Fox sucks at writing romance right?Toby Fox sucks at writing period. He's good at writing a character who's entertaining to watch fucking around in some way or another that makes them instant meme fodder (Sans, Spamton, Susie with the "WHERE THE FUCK ARE WE" sprite, etc.) but he cannot do long-term plot-writing and if you haven't already figured that out, you're either 12 or suffering from the sunk cost fallacy.
>>736481690#kerdlysweep
>>736490612>this made the tumblr crowd shit and piss themselves to the point of making the artist delete it
>>736490728Maybe, my point is, manipulating an autistic goat kid to incite a racewar is far worse than anything Kris has done.
>>736491074It depends on what's going to be the consequences for working with the Knight is. The Roaring would be more devastating than destroying humanity so he could possibly be eviler. Possibly.
>>736461569Sniper is sex, what'cha talking about.
>>736490671Kris is Chara if he were raised right. He had those sadistic and violent tendencies, but as he got older and gained a conscience he repressed those urges. He's like the sadist equivalent of a closet gay. He's not evil, but he does have this primal desire to be evil. Chara by contrast never learned proper morality and as a consequence has no conscience. She just did what felt right, including feeding her darker urges.
>>736490683She still hasn't finished growing. Besides they'll increase in size even further once she gets knocked up.
>>736491543Is that an image of the Sniper fucking GLaDOS?
>>736491652She still has only two, I don't think feeding millions is possible when she can only feed two of her children at the same time
DRY Normal Route should be based and friendpilled. Endgame romance entirely optional and wholesome if pursued.DRY Weird Route should be pic related. With or without the other parties' consent.
>>736470038Japan didn't have anything like Homestuck, so Undertale's writing and jokes were very novel to them. Also the music pulls a lot of weight, as usual (nobody would have cared about Touhou if the music was bad)
>>736491868>red soul
>>736491663That's his wife and its consensual.
>>736491724Perhaps she merely produces it, and the drones bring it to the grubs.
>>736490913The world isn’t ready for Berdly to bag a goth GF
>>736491663Sniper's voice actor is Ellen McClain's husband.
>>736492024I'm aware, just a tad strange is all.
>>736492079I know, yes.I even have their autographs.Just, a little weird to actually see it.
Berdly is a bro. I don't get while people harp on him.
>>736486383Faggots hate it when characters they latch onto don’t turn out to be gay also troons would go apeshit over the implication that krusie would require kris to be a dude.
>>736492212i love berdly made me laugh physically in his little screentime as much as Susie did through my entire playthrough
>>736491956>(nobody would have cared about Touhou if the music was bad)Speak for yourself, I play Touhou for the gameplay and pretty bullet patterns and the semen demons, not the music. That said I still do appreciate the better half of ZUN's discography, even if it's not my preferred style.Compared to ZUN and most of his copycats, Toby's tracks are just straight up meh imo.
>>736492212it honestly is a shame we have to turn him into frozen chicken during the weird route
>>736492252Sometimes I look at the youtube comments and see how much people freak out when the fag making the video says 'She/He' for Frisk or Chara.
>>736492212They hate him because they were once him, and can't accept that fact.
>>736492252she-krusie:>uuuuuu susie I'm having xheyxhem period cramps let's go to the example kitchens and home depot and pretend to argue like a loveless married couplehe-krusie:>woa-HOOOOW sooz that dinner date we had in the dumpster was RADICAL let's go in the middle of the woods and blow up FIREWORKS with this BODACIOUS homemade MICROWAVE GUN I made
>ESLs beg for translation to Spanish>except almost every single one begs for it in english>proving that it doesn't need the translation because they already know english, and have enough of a grasp to both beg and bitch about itin essence:>"And yet, you can read fluent English."
>>736492786don't UTDR have pretty solid Spanish fan translations yet?
>>736486850I remember anons toying around with the idea of kanako having a mischievous reckless side that’s reigned in by Cole’s stoic autism and the two of them tard wrangling each other. Or the idea of Kanako effectively power tripping when first entering the dark world due to being able to live out her superhero LARP/gain some control and agency in her life.
>>736481794>Aren't we battling against the end of the world?they're teenagers playing pretend around their small town
>>736488757>Wildfire stole the entire set up from a superior fangameWhy were they allowed to get away with this?
>>736492786They need to cope Toby prefers nippon over them. It's that easy.
>>736481794Deltarune is a game about two teenagers huffing chalk dust in various dark and secluded locations around their town.
>>736460286Nobody bringing up the fact that he used coal and revealed he's a sharteen but okay
>>736486850They should have their own version of the couch scene faha, it's the perfect amount of edge and you don't even need to include the rape flower
>>736488757>>fully grown man btwwtf I thought he was a teen
>>736494437Now type it without touching yourself, Noelle.
>>736494437a bit off topic but the syringe scene was a bizarre premonition for the imagery used in the weird route
>>736492678>Yuri KrusieSusie I betrayed you.>Straight KrusieSusie I betrayed you.
well I tried discussing kanacole.what a waste of a thread
>>736494485Riley is 18People here like to joke by saying that Riley lost to Val (who is like 15 years old) and that's what lead him to try to kill himself
>>736494851topic was too broad and attracted the DRheadsyou can see the typical DR shitposters lurking here
>>736494437>FahaNoelle...
>>736494851It wasn't that bad
>>736460286undertale is like an smt game but based on friendship vs. killing everyone and uses that as its gimmick to subvert the rpg trope of killing hordes to get stronger. in undertale the best thing to do is spare everyone.
>>736494851I thought it was a pretty fun thread.
Out of all the threads we had this weekend, this was certainly one of them.
>>736494910kinda funny how both of the most advanced new SOUL fangames are orange
>>736488757>>loses a fighting tournament>>tries to kill himself over itOk I don't think it's fair to hold this one against him. An orphan aging out of the system is in a monumentally shitty position. He basically banked all of his futures hopes on that because he was facing homelessness otherwise.
>>736494851There was discussion about Kanakole. Have you considered that you could have replied to other posts trying to discuss Kanacole if you wanted to discuss them? Or even Kanaclover?
>>736495212I did exactly that, then went to sleep
>>736495073The orange soul had more fangames announced than any other soul type, it was bound to happen
>>736494609don't remind me
>>736494041Who did it steal from?
>>736494851Yeah, sorry fangame bros but this ended up basically being a Deltarune thread.
>>736495334LISA: The Pointless
>>736495335can't wait for those be nothing but endless rage over suselle and cuck asgore memes later this year
>>736494910>>736495141Him trying to kill himself is even more pathetic/sad in this context, he lost a fight to kid considerably younger than him
>>736495335i think we can have a little vanilla UTDR discussion as a treat
>>736495334LISA: The Simpson
>>736495284I didn't get no (you)s ya darn galoot. I can't be the only idiot trying to come up with scenarios and highly contrived reasons for them to hold hands.
>>736495437I barely posted here but it wasn't super bad, even if I would rather stick to the regular Deltarune threads as I do not care for the fangames here.
>>736494851If you touch the Normal Route romance topic it will bring lots of discussion because people dislike that you can't romance Susie i didn't know that this was a fangame thread until late, sorry anons meanwhile weird route is pretty safe so you don't see much shitstorm about it
>>736490612would've been funnier if kris were sleeping across from catty (fatty) as well
>>736495501I was trying to come up with ways to spice up their relationship (storytelling wise)I like the idea of them just being good friends without melodrama, but it needs something more than just looking cute.
>>736495578I think the thread opener image not being from UT/DR should have been a clue
>>736495702make the pressures come from outside, and show how their dynamic actually helps them pull through. This just means that you have to more actively show them having a dynamic. Someone mentioned, maybe it was you, that Cole could act as a counterbalance to Kanakos more wild side and I like that idea. A calming presence.
>>736495578>meanwhile weird route is pretty safe so you don't see much shitstorm about itI fully expect soulcoomers to have a meltdown and decry UTDR as irredeemable wokeshit if Toby ends the route with an unavoidable gameover.
>>736495887I like the idea of chujin blaming Cole for making her go crazy when he is the milder one in the relationship.But the matter is, I feel focusing on the Dad being the roadblock is a little too cliche, it's just a blander Carol.
>>736494851we still have next weeks yellow thread mate
>>736494437get the fuck of 4chan noelle
>>736496016I mean, UT straight up takes away the good ending forever if you dare finishing geno.Only an idiot would not expect an even worse punishment for raping a character like that.
>>736496169>Rape is worse than omnicide
>>736496054to be fair, dads are used as a road block so often because its "the" classic thing for real life with the stern disapproving father. I don't really know what to do about that but I figure some of the dad tension is going to be addressed in chapter 2
>>736495714Yeah, i was thinking damn that is a weird looking Susie in the op, but well op also mentioned Toby writing romance skills, so it accidentally invited that type of discussion>>736496016People are fine if weird route has a bad ending, it's the evil route after all, what would actually also ruin weird route is if something like Susie for some reason saves the day
>>736496015update FUCKING WHEN
>>736496287The rape of a doe is a tragedy. The death of thousands of monsters is a statistic.
>>736496287Rape + emotional torture of multiple characters + attempted omnicide is worse than only omnicide, yes.
>>736496291I know, I just prefer romance being centered on the couple rather than an outside character.
>>736496350>i was thinking damn that is a weird looking SusieHer name is Quetzali and she's from Undertale Naranja
>>736496393cloverpowered and his wife will never never ever come back
>>736496112>the subtle jiggle
>>736496393if only these artist twats knew how easy it is to remove their obnoxious watermarks
>>736496468I can understand that. I guess then where do we take them from here. I don't really want it to turn into a melodramatic mess where you can't tell if they are going to get together, so how do you handle the romance where you go into it knowing they are a pair, while still making it interesting?
>>736496446>>736496417Is it really rape if she likes it?
>>736496675it nice
>>736495435shit I mean, if you were going to end up homeless because a kid kicked your ass, that would probably fuck your confidence up too.
>>736496697"do not repost do not x do not y do not Z"I think the kind of people that would listen to those requests, are the kind of people that wouldn't do those things anyways.
>>736467402That ending sucks. Seems like the creator's decided to make the series yet another played our corrupted nostalgia arg/analog horror series.
>>736496858Val is also shown to be an asshole in Naranja so I'm certain Val made fun of Riley for losing against him
good thread, all things considered
>>736497170>getting made fun of by some kid 4 years younger than you and then returning to the orphanage to see that they've already put your like, 3 belongings out by the curbThe man deserves a break, even if hardly anyone sees him as a man.
>>736496786I guess a solution would be to focus on their dynamic and how they complement each other, and how they annoy each other on occasion.It would be accused of being shallow by some but I think it would fill what most around here want to see.
>>736497291It wasn't bad. the fangame group got along with the non fangame group mostly during the thread.
>>736497302>Val's LV mysteriously increased by 1 the day after the tournament fight
>>736497380That works imo. I just don't want the solution to be to inject the heaviest drama we could find on hand just to make it seem heavy. If there's going to be drama I think it should be fundamentally different from characters that you don't expect to get together going in, even if they get pulled apart from eachother (temporarily) during the story.
>>736497027charpa will turn around and go to snowdin trvst the plvn
>>736497302At least he got a bunny gf
why cant fluffy gfs be real bros
>>736497441>got his LV by making an orphan fucking kill himselfjesus Val.
>>736497547I mean even if he does its gonna be horror snowdin with lurking evil. I wanted Yumme Nikki but Undertale.
>>736497597We are here to suffer. Suffering builds character.
>>736497441>>736497606He bungled his suicide attempt though. lmao
>>736497687He probably didn't in the UTN timeline
