>gives you depression
Flip a coin
>every 2 or so months 100% of cells in your has been completely replaced by new ones>every 2 or so months you are technically replaced by another person, by another amalgamation of molecules
Ah Subnautica
>>736468729Why don't they just copy their minds into robot body and rebuild earth instead? Ark will fail sooner than thousand years without maintenance.
>tfw your ai girlfriend runs away with another tranny doppelganger>tfw she pressuremogs you
>>736468729Minecraft gave me depression
I still think the protagonist is a little stupid.>conscious is clearly copied, not moved>he acts surprised every time this happens>the final twist is that conscious is copied, not moved>*acts surprised*He literally experienced this exact phenomenon 10 minutes ago and now he's shocked the mechanics aren't radically different?
>>736469087Because there's packs of roaming wauggers attacking everything they see. Didn't you see what the wau rat did in omicron? You can't fucking relax in pathos 2.
>>736468729I know my spreging glosses over the themes that the game was trying to provide, but it had me thinking.>huge asteroid coming to Earth>Humanity collectively goes "welp guess we die">Random underwater research station still survivedPart of me wonders if there weren't some sort of super reinforced bunkers for the VIP's. If a random underwater research station that wasn't even built to withstand global cataclysms survived, it makes me wonder if humanity could've built a bunker or two, even with the limited time they had. I mean, shit, we have that seed vault, for example. I'm pretty sure the Cheyenne complex can withstand the event unless it is directly impacted. Nevermind other top secret bunkers that Russia, China, UK, France, India, or any other world power could have.
>>736469087>rebuild earth instead?With what? What we can see of the world is either on fire, or completely drowning in massive clouds of ash. They'll need more than a dozen androids and a handyman belt.
>>736469349I've heard it's because his brainscan was "low resolution", but honestly I think it's particularly because he's retarded or had a few screws loose from the brain condition he already had. The brainscan simply copied that.
>>736469349Every other copy likely reacted the same way, the player just never got to see it until the end.
>>736469432Just send someone to kill WAU like Ross did with Simon.
>>736469349His stream of consciousness always let him progress and got him where he intended. He always ended upnon the preferred side of the split. Until the end where his consciousness ended up on the side hw didn't win. He finally lost the coin toss..
>>736469525Maybe. It is implied at the start of the game that he's been copied before so who knows how many times this has happened to him. Maybe the copy isn't 100% accurate and you start to get a little weird if done enough times.
>>736469514I mean if WAU was left alive I don't think it would consider that an enormous challenge.I'd be utterly terrified of what WAU would make on the surface world, but I have confidence that it could make it "habitable" for """humanity""" given enough time, and since it's an AI it won't become impatient.
>>736469514I mean not completely rebuild. Just build small settlement somewhere else.
>>736469575That doesn't really excuse the behavior of the one you play though. If you get copied to another body, and in that new body, see your old body moving around and acting like you and you ponder aloud "woaw, I was just copied!" and then your AI girlfriend confirms that is what happened, you can't be super surprised when later, the same procedure is done and you're copied.
>>736469473you're not wrong, but i can't think of another game in less need of a sequel than this one so it's better to just assume everyone's dead imo
>>736469349>twistit was never a twist, the game is very specific about that with the whole "killing ourselves immediately after the scan" subplot
>>736469473There might have been a few billionaires and their entourage fucking off into some underground vault or something, but I don't think a scattered handful of survivors is implied to be able to come back from that level of cataclysm. At least not in any way that undermines the story being about the end of humanity and our legacy as as we know it.
>>736469632nah it's heavily implied that both copies have consciousness we just watch the end of the game from the perspective of the consciousness that wasn't on the arklike someone above said every "left behind copy" probably felt like he did in that moment
>>736469087>copy their minds into robot bodyThat's exactly what they did and caused the problems
>>736469795That mostly because of WAU fucked with them.
>>736469473Humanity has no answer to an asteroid. If a big one is headed to us, 99.9% chance there is nothing we can do. This isn’t up to debate, it is simple physics.Sleep well tonight.
>>736468919that is not true for anything except your skin liver and gut
>>736469858So? Humanity has no answer to the sun burning out, alien invasions or nuclear war either. We just pray that it doesn't happen in our 80-ish years on this rock before we all go to the same end anyway.
>>736469721Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating for a sequel. I just find it surprising that everyone is dead-dead-dead on the planet. I mean shit even something like "XX days after impact, we lost communication with the last outpost" would've addressed my critique. Granted, it's a minor one but still.>>736469729I agree. Unless you make something huge like Underail or unironically Rapture from Bioshock. I forgot how long the asteroid had to impact earth before it was detected, but I have a feeling that major underwater cities like Rapture would be impossible in that time frame. Also given how the small research station had people having mental breakdowns I can't imagine what a Rapture would be like. The entire place would collapse within months, I feel.>>736469858Oh I'm well aware. I just find it funny that humanity collectively went "welp guess we die." I mean there's no way people wouldn't try to build reinforced bunkers for themselves no matter how futile, unless the asteroid was literally on top of them. I don't think it was, given how the underwater station was launching satellites right up until doomsday
>>736468919And yet I'm still getting older. Wtf?
>>736469632you lost the coin flip irl bro
>>736469087They have no tech to make land-capable robots that can survive the environment. The gel the WAU uses is probably useless when exposed to the atmosphere, as opposed to the recycled air of the ocean labs.Besides, I’m pretty sure the WAU believes that preserving human life means preserving biological life - see the lady kept in constant CPR agony. The WAU doesn’t consider consciousness transfer to be a viable solution and will rather keep humans “alive” in a physical sense for as long as possible.
>>736469763Yes they both have consciousness, but our perspective is from the consciousness that gets their preferred path up until the end. I guess im agreeing with you. Idk what my point is....
>>736468919Except your heart, your brain etc etc lol
>>736470035That's fair. It's a weird ending.
>>736469969>The entire place would collapse within months, I feel.At least we'd look classy on the way out
>>736468919I wish, that way you could be an immortal
>>736469712He never saw them thobeit
outer wilds > soma
>>736470126That's about as apples and oranges as it gets
>>736469969There is an audio log in the submersible ship where the captain tells the crew that “the last attempt to divert the asteroid has failed”, IIRC. Humans did try, and they did scramble for alternative solutions to survive. It’s safe to assume that nobody else survived and that humanity’s efforts were for naught. Which is kinda the basis for the story and it’s themes. I can get why people dislike the premise, but it’s fiction. People can force whatever stupid or frustrating premise they like. I think that SOMA’s premise is lacing in subtlety, certainly.
>>736469473They'd probably be just as much in chaos as the underwater station. I imagine if such a scenario were to happen in real life, people would go crazy in the underground eventually knowing there is nothing above the ground to return to.>>736469712I think he was either in really hard denial or legit 'but I did eat breakfast' intelligent. The fact that he still doesn't seem to fully comprehend the situation at the end makes me think its the later.
there is no coin flipyou always end up in both bodiesrefusal to accept your predicament and constant yearning to escape only leads to more suffering
>>736470158i have an apple and and orange on my desk right now
>>736470160>“the last attempt to divert the asteroid has failed”Was the plan made by people who watched Armageddon, or Deep Impact?
>>736469632what's actually happening is we're reliving the memories of the second simon's brain scan. we start out with the memories he acquired before the scan, then relive the memories of the first simon body, then finally we experience the life of the second simon body in real time. we never "won" the "coin toss" because it isn't real.
>>736468729>Dumbest playable character ever conceived in the whole medium>Depression No.
>>736470020>The gel the WAU uses is probably useless when exposed to the atmosphere, as opposed to the recycled air of the ocean labs.WAU is a rogue AI. If it can undo the shuckles it currently had then I don't think it'd take long for it to figure out a way to do that. It'd realize sooner or later resources in the underwater base are being used up so go "guess I better start gathering more resources"
>>736470160Yea as I said the entire thing wasn't a dealbreaker for me. The point is the asteroid hit Earth. The how and why are largely irrelevant as the game focuses on the immediate present.
>>736470237So were remembering everything up until the final coin toss? Theat final coin toss is where our life and agency begin?
>>736470237This. When they were doing brain scans of people and some killed themselves as they thought the scan of themselves would be the 'real' ones were just misguided idiots who were desperately clinging to any thread that could lead to their continued existence.
>good game>also good at starcraft and won the last asl
>>736470104i mean, aging happens cuz of DNA damage, the moment we manage to halt or reverse that then we finally achieved immortality, useful for when we start going to another planets.
>>736469858This isn’t true. Just a few years ago we successfully altered the orbit of a smaller asteroid. If one showed up tomorrow we’d probably be cooked but I imagine within a century we’ll be able to deflect asteroids as big as the one that wiped out the dinos, or bigger
>>736469582The WAU is the only thing that could rebuild life on EarthOnce it understands what "life" and "Quality of Life" actually means as well as "consciousness"It's all going to be a Gigerian nightmare landscape though
>>736469725Well it was a twist to Simon somehow.
>>736469349He was about as intelligent as the average poster here, so it's not that difficult to believe.
>>736471909The issue is not how, it’s when. Theoretically it is very easy to stop asteroids, but the intervention needs to happen a few light-years away. Tug at it in a teensy way and the .0000001% shift in trajectory would avert disaster.The issue is this - we need to identify the asteroid that is going to hit earth (hard to do when there are millions of candidates with many more we haven’t yet identified in our telescopes - another reason why telescopes still receive funding) and we need to have our shit together to plan such an undertaking when we identify that asteroid and BEFORE that point of no return.
>>736470265You give the WAU too much credit. It is literally following its shackles. Its primary directive is to preserve human life and it is taking that way too literally. It is keeping people in comatose states and forcefully pumping air and shocking a woman’s heart awake in a perverse attempt to prolong human life as long as feasibly possible.Transferring human minds into robot bodies is not “preserving human life” to the WAU.
>>736468919No! My body is defined by the topology, not the individual building blocks! Plus whatever memories and life experience my brain has stored, of course.
>>736468729if i created a perfect LLM replica of (You) and then killed you, waited 100 years, then turned on the LLM and let it LARP as a you, would that be (You)?no = soma is midwit slopyes = you are a retard
>>736469632>His stream of consciousness always let him progressthere is no consciousness there, only a computer model designed to predict and express what simon would doat the end when simon is sperging out, that's not because the robot is feeling anything, it's because that's what simon would've done if he was still alive
>>736468729How do people that can make something as bleak as Soma get out of bed to make Soma
>>736469349Reminds me of Dead Space 2:>Isaac knows GF is a brain ghost, made by the Markers or whatever>She strings him along the entire game, he goes along with it despite making a point of how he knows she's fake etc>in the end she says something like "Now, Isaac: time to die!">He replies "WHAT?!"I laughed so fucking hard at that.
>>736476590You know how Hulk in that least-shitty Marvel film says "That's my secret: I'm always angry". It's a bit like that, but with depression. For people who are, and have always been, some sort of depressed, they learn how to cope with it very well (except the ones who suck off a shotgun, of course). As it's all they know, things being shitty doesn't come as a shock to them. It's just everyday stuff. To them, if they haven't killed themselves yet, a shitty day is not enough to demotivate.Same reason miserable people are much better at dealing with bad news and setback than "optimists".They've had their entire life to level up their "resistance" to dread and gloom.
>>736468919ship of theseus doesnt apply to a full copy paste retard>>736469349You are right, the game should have had an autistic doomer like you as the MC so he just goes "its over" and cries in a corner till his battery runs out instead of hoping for a miracle that gets him out of that hell hole
>>736469087>>736469514Did you guys miss that there is other underwater bases and shit at play?You think all the superpowers of the world just sat down and died?
