I believe in the opposite of everything tourneyfaggots believe. I fundamentally despise their cheap tricks and it makes my fights desperate and stressful though satisfying. It's just the only game I can play when getting drunk off my Vyvanse high after making a better game. My excuse is that I "find nuances" every time and add it into my design but my design is looking pretty kino. So much so that I dare not share any hints as not to spoil it.I don't think there are any games that are easy to just pick up and play while drunk as fuck, at least none that are this fun.
>how do I stop playing thisits a 20 year old game with no online outside of modding, you just... stop playing it, walk away, go do literally anything else
>>736469026>easy to just pick up and play while drunk as fuckonly because you've been playing it for 30 years since before you knew how to read. You have probably been playing melee longer than you've been jerking offyou can prove to yourself that I'm right by trying to read high literature while drunk as fuck
Melee is the only platform fighter worth playing
>>736469158I've only been playing since slippi and I'm about to go off grid with no wifi. I've only gotten addicted to it since getting heavily into game dev and making my own clone with both a tutorial, AI and insight into what would make this game playable by keeping all the same mechanics but preventing trannies from ruining it with cheese slop>>736469071I can't find anything else that feels as right as coming down off a Vyvanse high and getting drunk playing a game very similar to my own, particularly because I play it the correct way.
>>736469158High literature is a good idea. I tried reading War and Peace while going through my Meade phase in college. Maybe I'll pick it back up. But damn Melee just feels right. I get an inkling of competition when I get drunk like my warrior ancestors who'd get drunk and go to war with swords
>>736469026>>736469204play combo devils
>>736471117NOLol no. Not samvrai enough
>>736471312what's the matter kiddo too hardcore for you?
>>736471414>wavedashing
>>736471414The characters are awful. Particularly the Fox character. It's amazing how none of these ideas are intriguing to me as someone who's making a similar game. Everything this game added to attempt to improve Melee is a step in the wrong direction.
>>736469026Finally a good thread on here about a great game!
>>736471707It could have been great sans one Californian fox faggot who ruined the game with "shine" and forced everyone to play a specific style which is cheap and forces everyone else to never use all their moves, just spamming cheap shit.
>>736471671what's wrong with jingo? his kit is coo- oh wait you haven't played it
>>736471808He looks like shit.
>>736471913And that's the one of the biggest flaws of this game. Like who the fuck even is jingo?Melee used characters from different Nintendo games which set the stage for the entirety of its identity.You can't just come in here with characters nobody gives a fuck about and slap on some nushit that isn't even compelling.Did it seriously add Ultimate cinematic KOs?That's like the worst part about that game
>>736472225Interesting how you only care about the superficial aspects of that indie game and also say the worst part of Ultimate is a superficial aspect, the zoom-in effect on kills (which Nintendo didn't even invent btw). If OP is playing Melee, a 20 year old game, surely it's not for shallow reasons of muh fanservicealso Like who the fuck even is Roy?
>>736471117Are you the dev? I've seen an insane amount of shilling for this game the last two weeks and I'd never heard of it before that.
>>736471414A lot of people play smash precisely because it doesn't have things like predetermined combos, directional shields, and specials. And real fighting game players wouldn't touch a platform fighter with a 10 foot pole. So who the fuck is this game even for?
>>736473045>I've seen an insane amount of shilling for this game the last two weeks and I'd never heard of it before that.it has been having beta weekends, genius>>736473136while i agree the game is unlikely to get traction because it filters too many people and is simply too unique and interesting,>people play smash precisely because it doesn't have things like predetermined combossmash absolutely has some inescapable combos that DI can't help with>directional shieldssmash sort of has this with the shrinking shield that must be tilted
Melee is the best casual game in the series. Best content. Best items. Best stages.
>>736472664Roy's a fucking badass in a cool game with an epic sword. Not some furry retard Ninja bastard who sucks ass mechanically due to his shite hitbox and weight.
>>736473626>shite hitbox and weightskill issue unironically. someone published a jingo guide, go watch it.
>>736473409Best art. Best weight, best mechanics, best characters, best design. Sakvrai was operating off of pvre SOVL with his Dragon King: The Fighting Game burning with pure passion https://youtu.be/026oD-L3Nrk
>>736473723Dude what the fuck. The opponent can't even fucking move. Might as well put down the fucking controller. This is precisely what I'm fixing with Melee which isn't even this bad. Fuck this shit. Who wants to see their character just get owned helplessly. This is fucked.
>>736473314Those aren't combos. That's just spam.
>>736473780no, he misses techs and twice he gets hit when he could've blocked. he also could've DI'd up to the side plat early in the clip, and later DI'd left to avoid the dair.idk why people glance at a webm and act like they understand how punish game works. you need to actually play a game to critique it, sempai!
>>736473915>techs>DIFucking lol I do none of this tourny shit and own at Melee. Techs meaning cheap dishonorable slop where you spam constantly instead of exploring the verbose range of moves painting a piece of art. Does your game even have meteor smash dude? Cause that's like the funnest part of the game. Holy shit this is just so fucking awful. That one Californian destroyed Melee in the West. I need to apologize to Sakurai personally for this type of shit. Terrible slop.
>>736471414What game?
>>736471414Why the fuck do all Melee 'clones' have such a stupid focus on comboing? Part of what makes Melee so great is how balanced its combo system is, where following up on a hit is possible, but requires both substantial setup and improvisation, but everything else actively tries to make combos more mindlessly technical. And they almost all have fucking airdashing. Why?
>>736474029Because it isn't about variety to them, it isn't about choice, it's about the NPC tourneyslop lingo that fucking ruined melee. Consult the fucking manual before labeling shit. It's called the Reflector, not "Shine"
>D00D NOSTALGIA!!! DO YOU SEE MY CARTRIDGE??? LOL REMEMBER THOSE?? AAH THOSE WERE THE DAYS AMIRITE MILLENNIAL BROS??? ALSO SKATEBOARDING LOL REMEMBER THAT?That is the entire characters personality. Delete all of the characters and replace them with something actually interesting and cool if you want a single person to play combo devils outside of the 2 week honeymoon phase on your games release.
>>736473998combo devils>>736474131skateboard-fu is cool. also you're still typing like a spastic even if you put a comedy chevron in front of it.
>>736474231Skating sucks. Why is an extrovert skater trying to copy an introvert Japanese Samurai game?No wonder shit's all fucked up. You and your ilk clutter the 間 with spam.
>>736474231If you dont take my advice you'll be sorry. I am right about your game desperately needing characters people would be interested in
>>736474420He can't do that, look at the slop he's put out. None of it even makes any fucking sense within its own universe. This is peak disenfranchised millennialslop. I'm just lucky enough to have the precise knowledge of everything that's fucking going on to create a better version of melee. I empathize with Sakvrai himself. It takes this deep level of understanding to make a better game, not just a bunch of weird as fuck characters. None of them likable at all. I'm legitimately repulsed by them on a visceral level, as I'm sure most people who aren't thinking in whatever cheesy way this guy is, arehttps://youtu.be/6nxr1cYQIew
>>736469453>making my own clone with a tutorialIf there's anything more complicated than the How-to-Play screens they have since 64 no one is going to read it
>>736474830No one fucking even follows the how-to-play screens and that's exactly why my game is better. Dude, Mario meteor smashes Bowser in the Melee tutorial, he doesn't do that fucking dipshit back air spam that Mario players do in Melee. I'm making a game everyone can finally play. Do the fucking CPUs do wave dash or dash dance? Fuck no. That's not how the game is supposed to be played. That's not fun. I'm using a counter because I expect my opponent to fucking attack, not run away like a little bitch and kill the fighting momentum.
>>736473987>I do none of this tourny shit like... steering away from the blast zone your getting sent towards so you don't go towards itvery cool anon
>>736474996Building damage is cool. It plays into the launch physics which make the game fun and unique. Are you coping or something?
>>736474910There's plenty of players in bronze and silver on slippi that play in the way that you've deemed acceptable. Just play there. No idea why so many people on here get their panties in a twist about how high level players play despite not being high level players themselves. T. Silver ranked slippi player
>>736475037If you like building damage so much, you should make sure your opponents know to hold the analog stick away from the blast zone, so they don't die until you give them even more damage than they would otherwise.
>>736475119>muh bronze >muh silver>muh social statusIs that fun or stressful retardslop who show off their inferiority with a badge rather than introspect the time they've spent as fun with cool meteor smashes and high damage KOs rather than cucked gimping where their opponent falls to death at a low percentage and they've never used a fully charged smash in their life?
>>736475189>muh blast zoneWith my level of skill and powerful attacks the blast zone is anywhere from the center of the stage.
>>736475193For extrocucks who show off their inferiority complex*
>>736475262Sometimes I feel like I'm forced to ledge gimp to win or my opponent will try to rush the match early with their own gimps and it sucks. Samurai made a game that paints matches like a piece of art, not spamming back and forth like an autist. You're supposed to embody the character you play. Would Peach dash dance? Would Peach "DI"? The unnatural analytical movement players do is both unsettling and unnatural.
I like Link. He's comfy and easy to play.
>>736475398>unnatural unnatural Lol drunk philosophy.Not like anyone is reading this thread anyway. They can agree that combo devils(shit name btw) is slop but can't understand why due to lack of natural talent, just grinding like everyone else. Extrovert curse upon an introvert game. Damn my take is truly rare cause not only are pure introverts rare but they don't have enough problems like I do to drink heavily and take on the burden of an introvert game ruined by extroverts and try to fix it. https://youtu.be/HExIkF1yj_8
>>736475398>Would Peach dash dance?Probably, I'm sure there's something close enough in Tennis>Would Peach "DI"?Absolutely, she did the float in Subcon
>>736475453Link is the most balanced character in Smash, the posterboy. That's why having to sift through a sea of foxes and falcos makes the game unplayable.
>>736469026Just play Marth, nigga.
>>736475542Peach wouldn't run back and forth like an idiot, it's neither elegant nor practical. You run into my back air eternally with such a retarded "strat" already. No one in real life messed up their cardio with walking-to-running animations so frequently to begin with. It's unnatural hyper-vigilant slop that follows the tourney guide rather than flows naturally
>>736475582I play Marth the right way. I don't chain grab or do ledge shit or spam tipper...I use his blade dance to close distance. Dash dance is just so fucking annoying. The noise, aesthetic...that's not what Marth would do.
>>736475610>he never dash dances in tennis>he tried to go for back airs in tennisOh shit nigga tf you doin
>>736475851I play tennis like I would in real life, covering distance with athletic decision and prowess. Dash dance is indecision and clumsiness
I honestly hate how much this thread is crumbling apart, how no one understands the truth of melee and just follows the herd. This honestly sucks for me. I'm not like egotistical morons who only want to feel superior to others. I just want to play the game.
>>736475658Marths do that because of Fox and Falco. Who am I kidding, everyone loves those cheap OP furries.I'm just going to have to deal with isolation and maybe play chess or something if I get competitive until my game is released and then roll the dice on planet Earth to see if there's anyone out there who will give me a fair fight. Cause it's all I've ever fucking wanted man.
Why are Melee players such degenerate druggies?
>>736476204The only drugs trannies do is estrogen. If they were half as cool as me they'd want a fair fight man to man because they have spirit.
>>736476140As if you wouldn't bitch about other chess players just the same.>en passant is cheating tourneyfag shit>it's not in character for a castle to move eight spaces
>>736476295And that sucks man. I'm the only one who plays a soulful game with spirit. It makes me feel bad because winning isn't everything, the battle is an expression of who you are and yet the communist hivemind truly encompasses everything and makes it terrifying. I bet it's because I played System Shock 2 5 years ago that they forced me to realize the hivemind is a biological weaponized force that I'm battling against with mere individualist verbality against internalized conformist ideationhttps://youtu.be/pp5xGLj1RME
>>736476412There's no enough flow in a turn based game like chess to get the disruptive feel that trannies embolden with shit like monkeying on the ledge. The game is truly over when that happens, when your opponent cannot move due to you hiding with ledge invulnerability, or running away with dash dance-avoiding a real fight.
>>736476489Like bro this shit is established. Tourney Melee players want a one sided fight, it's all about the punish, it's all about capitalizing on a mistake. If I don't make a mistake it becomes a one sided fight in my favor, which I don't want, because making a mistake could be as simple as actually using a fucking B move for once. Fuck man. Brick wall.
>>736476643The stale move mechanic isn't pronounced enough for spamfags to notice. It should have been implemented better but Sakurai couldn't even imagine the retardation of Westoid trannies creating a fucking wall of Marth(or fox, or falco, or mario, or fuck you) fair/nair spam because that's fucking lame as fuck and only cucked extroretards with something they try to prove do that shit.
Every day I'm SHFFLin'
>>736476892Do I need to rage more at these faggots for this travesty? What am I doing wrong? Just kidding. I know it's their fucking fault for everything wrong in this godforsaken world and that my unbelievable rage at the violation of the core of humanity is ineligible to soulless inhuman faggotshttps://youtu.be/Eiy9vAFcl3U
>>736473409>>736473732brawl's jank, large character roster, stage count, and items made it better than melee for casual play
>>736473045There's one guy very obviously shilling it in /v/ fighting game and platform fighter threads, but calling it shilling is disingenuous. There's such a thing as simply liking a game and wanting people to play it, and I see nothing wrong with that. I'm not playing Combo Devils until it's actually $20, though. $50 is too much for beta access.I'd probably kill myself if I felt so inclined to shill other platform fighters to Smash players. Most are insufferable faggots, in my experience. You can't even get half of them to play Remix.
>>736477674Tripping was not the answer to dash dancing.Simple as.Just going to have to let a targeted individual blow your narrow minded new world extrovert order out of the water and deal with the fallout of social interaction being slop shit that sucks ass https://youtu.be/tzzPZz10Sxg
>>736477753Don't see no rollback slippi for remix. Make it online play for PJ64 easy and you'll see an actual playerbase.
>>736477815tripping isnt any more random or punishing than items and stage hazards, doesnt matter
>>736477904items and stage hazards don't apply to competitive play...meaning in the context of online play they didn't matter...what game were you even playing? I don't remember items in my online brawl matches
How do we get Meleefags to stop abusing drugs and alcohol?
>>736477936we were talking about casual play
>>736477952tourneyfags are straightedge. Zane isn't cool enough to do drugs. that's why he has a hotwife
>>736477994Melee doesn't have items at all online. By casual play I thought you meant unranked.
>>736477674Personally, I hated how half the items in Brawl would backfire while many of the stage hazards were instant kills or near instant kills. The event matches and Target tests weren't as good either. Co-op and coin launcher were fun tho. The vault modes were definitely the most fun part of playing Brawl. Regardless, anyone who claims Ultimate is the best casual Smash shouldn't be taken seriously. There's nothing to do in that game.
>>736478107Items fucking suck in most games. You gotta stop playing and fuck around with items. It's retarded. My game evolves past that. Items are auto.
>>736478012Zain smokes weed.
>>736478282Oh boohoo he smokes a plant.Straight edge non-threatening normie faggotGet in with the big leagues.Then talkIf you can even speak.Coward.https://youtu.be/nSrvFjJ4MIQ
>>736474343>extrovert skaterskating is a solitary sport, its perfect for introverts
>>736478461Weed is a drug.
>>736478475>sportBAHAHAHAAHAHAWhere is the fucking improvement? Some gay little fucking trick on you homemade retard ramp in your gay backyard? Most fags need to go to a park and be around people. Don't yid yourself.https://youtu.be/z_iBtMD4PHk
>>736478537>muh weed is a drugWho let this boomer commie spy criminal cop faggot in here?Back in the day everyone was in a private militia and would blow your head off for talking such prison state commie faggot shit
>>736478616>this psychoactive drug that makes you behave much differently isnt a drugyou lost your chud card, faggot.
>>736478704>o-oh no I'm better at making music, so scary! Not that Zain ever made any music, he's too busy ruining Marth with chaingrabs so his hotwife can cuck him ironically similar to every anti-weed faggot commie in existence.It's all about getting cucked with you faggots.Is that why you're drawn to Zain?https://youtu.be/2ZANNt_uyvM
>>736478815>Marthspam>great>can't fucking even move due to nair/fairspam and chaingrab>yup>this is meleeFucking cucks!https://youtu.be/I49otOBp4YI?si=lt3mIY6XBiC4fMUd&t=77
>>736478896Zain could 4-stock you without using any of those moves.
>>736478940Bullshit, he'd be desperate to get a grab as his very first move. That's how fox-raped braindamaged tournytards work because of stupid fucking dash dancinghttps://youtu.be/gHkTLE44X1c?si=2ikG6IgqJhw2UXu5
>>736479006Zain knows how to play every character in the game well thanks to many attempts at going for a winstreak on every character in a row. Not every character can grabspam and win.
>>736479076he knows how to fucking spam A moves like a retard instead of balance his moves according to the all-too-subtle move decay system. https://youtu.be/ySp-u9kWVaQ?si=LTDFY_Tu3x1RGPaD&t=224A soulless wall of nair spam is ridiculously unfun
Is there even anyone who feels the stillness of the rain pour in silence as the cool humidity takes over one's bones in solemn display of sentiencehttps://youtu.be/-cM3QrFmgqo
>>736473723damn this looks like dogshit i thought it was a smash cloneremoved from my wishlist
>>736480059You need to be able to look at a fighting game's parameters and make sense of it immediately. The fuck is PSI?The fuck is that weird emotionless gay KO?Just awful. https://youtu.be/b5roMqfM3nQBet the music is rancid too
>>736473987No you dont. Next question please.
>>736474624You are not a gamedev lmao, its clear by how you speak and how you act. This is a larp thread where you want to feel cooler than you actually are. You can make great things but you have to actually try, get off of /v/, stop larping and try it out for real.
>>736469026what rank are you
>>736483027he shut up real fast after this lol
this thread is the personification of coal
>>736474624This is the archetypical narcissist diatribe. "I'm super cool and better than everyone else so everything I make will be perfect. Wait why does no one want it?"
>>736473723A game about spamming combos will not last
>>736482920>>736483027>>736483068>>736484245>>736484245>>736486735>>736487903A tidal wave of sneed.Real Euro hours
>>736491662i think you replied to the wrong posts, check what thread you're in
>>736483068I skip Falcos so I can't even play ranked. The game is ruined>>736484245I was asleep, Vyvanse finally wore off
>>736491073
>>736491869This is my thread cahntI'm OP.I want to post clips but dogowitz is still sleeping
>>736483027>>736487903>>736486735TRVKE hvrts innit.Get some style, it's all I'm asking.
>>736491662>>736492082>>736492362Sad behavior, get help and then try out gamedev for real instead of larping.
>>736493434Claude and Chudreal 4 are all pulling all the weightI barely have to lift a finger.Welcome to the future troonhttps://youtu.be/QbAA-8BX19s?si=gYbdKPYJH7MZCJoT
>>736495037Oh wow, its gonna be worse than I thought. Well at least you admit to being weak.
>>736495269All Chadvurai did was tell coders to make him game. It's basically the same thingI'm lucky me good at art and music naturally. The vyvanse increases my IQ by 10 points too https://youtu.be/Q0k0YZO8sPU
>>736495037Yeah you sound like you assume AI will solve all your problems and throw a temper tantrum when it doesn't.
>>736495471You don't have good art or music talent. Sorry. Sub40.
>>736491073>spamming combosThis is like the video game version of "Citizen Kane was just pointing a camera at some shit."
>>736495562I actually had to design the movement system myself, an idea I had prior to fixing the fighting mechanics of meleeOther than that it's just following a tutorial and tweaking it
>>736495580Cope. Check out a snippet of my TAL Basslinehttps://voca.ro/19e5UMUmpyle
>>736495686Done him
aaaaAAAAAHHHH PROOF NUKEThis is what happens when you don't base your style around Falcuck and need to spam grab and tilthttps://slippilab.com/YellowishCelebratedElephant
>>736495580My interpretation of every marthtroon in the business
>>736496670See you don't run awayJust dodge.
>>736469026you can't, no other game handles as responsively or expressively and just moving around feels like crack
>>736475560I think Link and Falco play have a lot in common.
>>736499378Dash dancing sucks ass so I assume you mean jumping, of which I agree. I'm trying to get Falcon's precise jumps down in my game, it's very hard. https://youtu.be/W48LHhaMyUc
>>736499880I responded before reading the thread. Dash dancing is based and you are a faggot, good luck on your game, I hope you picked out a nice spot in the Melee clone graveyard.
Curious how you intend to remove dash dancing without resticting character handling and making it less responsive? Dash dancing is competitively superior to other movement in most cases so unless you intentionally restrict your players by making the game shitty on purpose they are going to do it. Why do you think Brawl had tripping? Retard
>>736500124Nah. It keeps the game grounded in an aerial based game. Go play Street Fighter if you don't like soaring through the air.https://youtu.be/iDE3rQfQOnU>>736499868See everyone plays Falco-style except mehttps://slippilab.com/CourteousTangibleDogfish
>>736500359I fixed it without tripping. You'll see.This is why drugs are based. https://youtu.be/AjEpQbFDsZk
>>736500596>grounded in an aerial based gamehehDash dancing is the equivalent of footwork in boxing. It makes your position and attack vector ambiguous to your opponent. Without something like this the defense flowchart is extremely simplified as it cuts your options in half at least.
>>736500769Do I have to "keep saying it"?Just dodge, then you're right there to deliver an attack or grab.Dash dancing is retarded cause you end up running into an attack, particularly Falcon or Ganon's back airhttps://youtu.be/9KJMPVNbrNkhttps://slippilab.com/BuoyantOffbeatCrocodile
vyvanse is trans coded
>>736501346Cope. Go get a prescription today if you need to make a game so you can finally play a game that isn't solely against trannieshttps://slippilab.com/MoralNastyParrot
>>736471671>>736471808>>736472225I have zero faith that someone who's talking about making his own "cool game for awesome people" on /v/ can actually deliver, but you HAVE correctly identified that the one number thing people get wrong when making their super epic indie fighter that fixes all the problem with big name popular ones, is the visual design. The characters and the world they inhabit. How cool the game looks to play is more important than most people realise. The actually successful fightan-devving companies like Capcom and Arcsys survive almost entirely off of their artists, not necessarily the people designing the gameplay minutiae. It just so happens that the latter people also landed on mostly cool concepts. It's not going to matter if someone makes a superior Melee if their characters do not have appeal on the level of beloved Nintendo superstars, and that people refuse to acknowledge this or subconsciously think it's unfair or whatever is just laughable. Even a company like Arcsys has to be consistent in the attractiveness of what they put out, when they make a new game they are effectively competing with both what their competitors made but also what they made before, it's a waste making new characters for your new installment if nobody wants to swap from playing the old guys. How do you compete with resident coolguy, Sol Badguy, the ur-example of an edgy self-insert that wraps around from embarrassing to just being as cool as the game presents him as? You make fucking Goldlewis Dickinson. Anything less than that isn't going to be enough.
>>736501978Fuck dash transinghttps://slippilab.com/ArcticBossyTigerAND wave transinghttps://slippilab.com/LeanCylindricalJayhttps://slippilab.com/NiceAchingHornet>>736501978I got it all figured outYour jaw is gonna drop like...YABBA DABBA DOO!!!
>>736502756Look at him fuckin monkeying around on the ledgeThat's so annoying dudeRuins my flow
>>736496221HOLY KEK this is on the same tier as the anon with the shop music
>>736505025It's been a decade since I made music...back when I was in college and C++ was too hard...before Unreal 4, before Claude...Listen to The Desert(Fast) by Soul of Language on #SoundCloudhttps://on.soundcloud.com/N1mTTDZLC8SpnbZYUN
>>736505025Listen to Kastro Castle by Soul of Language on #SoundCloudhttps://on.soundcloud.com/FL7yoNPWpCTtjhxg04Damn...I think I might be able to recapture this when I........
>>736505025I've already caught a glimpse...Of the true reflection...There are ripples...In the waves...Listen to North Haven by Soul of Language on #SoundCloudhttps://on.soundcloud.com/hxb9OAN1mNlTKPo7FX
>>736469026why don't you just play singleplayer?I never played online, it's shit, obviouslybots are really fun
>>736508769The Akaneia mod breaks it
>>736491073>spamming combos/v/ is so insanely scrubby my god
