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Perturabo coming back is kinda cool and the rage bait to sell steel legion is kind of funny. But if we get a handed Dorn, that will be cringe.

>>736470045
1 has more SOVL than 2, 2 is too tryhard

>>736470045
>Yes, there's a tyranid hive fleet destroying the entire system
>BUT WHAT ABOUT THOSE WHACKY CHAOS CULTISTS
jesus CHRIST dude enough with the fucking chaos niggers

>>736475218
1 was incredibly boring to play though.

I haven't played 2 but it was very amusing to me to see people act like it was this long awaited sequel to an amazing and beloved game. The first game was nothing more than another mediocre licensed game that the vast majority never played and never gave a shit about.

>>736472663
Watch it just be Corax getting out of the warp because he got bored of stalking Lorgar.

>>736475684
2 isn't any better, it's just take 1 but game made in modern day

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>>736476364
2 is too dude touchy, 1st one's stoicism was better.

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>>736472663
I'm sorry anon but modern 40k is a superhero comic now, you'll get Dorn fighting Perty in some inconclusive battle where nobody with a name is in any danger of dying because of fags who endlessly jerked off to the Horus Heresy for years and years and legitimately do not understand that 30k and 40k are supposed to be radically different settings.

>rage bait to sell steel legion
That was a legitimate fuck up on GW's part, they genuinely didn't think that people would react so badly to the Steel Legion being killed offscreen. The concept art they showed off is extremely rough and so early that they haven't actually settled on a design for them (and I don't think GW has ever used that stage of concept art for advertising before), and they openly stated that it's going to be literal years before any models get released. I think there's a non-zero chance that the Steel Legion update actually was scrapped after some initial exploratory concept work and this controversy sent them scrambling to actually make them, but it's also possible that GW was always planning to release them alongside the 11th edition Guard codex release which is possibly years away, and they're so tone deaf that they didn't realise that people would be upset by saying "oh yeah they're all totally dead btw here's how to paint your Death Korps as Steel Legion!" in their promotional material.

>>736476915
>Steel Legion being killed offscreen.
Is that what happened? I thought that "Kriegers" were just Steel Legion but thanks to all the muck of the planet and the gloom of the night their mustard yellow somehow sticking out wouldn't really make any sense.

>>736476915
If steel legion team looks good. Imma buy a box and paint them as SS panzergrenadiers. as it should be.

>>736472663
I can't stand the dudes artstyle. Its not even the retarded edgy stuff or how he stole Cultist-chan from us but something just feels off with that artstyle. It's like pretending to be oilpainting without ever having seen one

>>736480086
It's coomer trash. Of course it sucks.

>>736475743
Based, bring back my nigga

>>736481148
Corax was always the most retarded Primarch.
>I am a freedom fighter who hates slavery and fights for the common man!
>Also my dad is taking over the universe and enslaves every planet he finds, he needs my help!
>Gonna have a scene in my own book where I go back and kill my best friend from the revolution, because he continued to fight against the slave masters and I am on their side now
Even Angron comes across as smarter and had his brain replaced with a machine that makes him angry and in pain 24/7. Corax fucking sucks.

>>736481212
>Angron comes across as smarter and had his brain replaced with a machine that makes him angry and in pain 24/7.
That wasn't his own doing. That was his "adoptive" planet doing it for gladiatorial slave fight shits and giggles.
Angron got the butcher nails removed, but later put them back in because shit was too depressing and would rather be blinded with rage.

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>>736475684
Between 1 and 2, 1 had greater focus on ranged gunplay since you had 3 primaries to pick from, and the ever present bolt pistol (later replaced with the plasma pistol) to fall back on. This meant you were just as likely to swap weapons for a specific engagement than just wade immediately into melee to save ammo, you had 3 guns and possibly one that was tailor made for that particular task. Likewise, your melee was pretty basic (2 is about as basic) with a handful of combos, a simple block, but not a parry, so you had to know when to either block an attack or just dodge and blast a bitch in the face before going back to melee. Since the only method to regain health was through the glory kills, but you didn't have invulnerability while doing it, you could die while attempting to get health back on harder difficulties or later levels. So you had to strategically pick when and who to smash in the face for health gain, but your armor regen was fairly fast so just finding a hole to stick in for a bit and you got your armor back.

2 allows you to be more aggressive since you have a block, a dodge, and a parry, and that parry is strictly better than other defense choices until you're actually required to move to avoid damage. This means you can be more outwardly aggressive and be in melee combat more often, which you will end up doing anyway because you only get 1 primary and 1 secondary in SM2, so ranged gunplay is meant to be weaved into normal combat more often. Doubly so when doing glory kills restore armor, so while the ways to regen hp are lower, keeping your armor topped off is noticeably easier now.

TLDR: SM1 is better if you like shooting xenos and heretics in the face. SM2 is better if you like punching things in the face. Both play like something from the mid to late 2000s, which is still leagues above most games being released today.

>>736475618
>fuck yeah finally some fucking NIDS
>just kidding it's chaos again
I dropped the game right then and there.

Magnus did nothing wrong.
As in he was told to "do nothing" and he did that wrong.

>>736476915
>That was a legitimate fuck up on GW's part, they genuinely didn't think that people would react so badly to the Steel Legion being killed offscreen
They killed off the Steel Legion?

>>736481491
They're using the Krieg models for Armageddon Steel Legion, because GW basically axed most of the other Guard regiments models because they weren't selling as well as the dozen or so Space Marine variants were. So they ended up just painting Krieg models in Steel Legion colors.

>>736481462
Russ being a retard didn't help at the end but Magnus is such a fucking retarded that it overshadowed everything else

>>736481212
>most retarded Primarch.
How can you say that when Magnus, Curze and Alpharius exist

>>736481780
In order for Alpharius to be the most retarded, he has to have actually done something, anything relevant. He's too busy playing the worlds longest game of hide and seek to do anything else.

>>736475684
Modern games have gotten so bad that SM 1 has gone from being a 6/10 to an 8/10. If there was anything good to play, SM 2 wouldn't have been nearly as popular.

>>736481554
What the fuck. Isn't Armageddon the main focus for their next release?
Are you telling me they didn't plan ahead?

>>736481943
Anon, they produced femstodes with the expectation that people would buy them. This is after they released a crap codex that makes Custodes bad on the table top and no one actually wanting femstodes that weren't perpetual twitter brained.

GW is not known for their long term planning. More like they stumble into success while their competitors sabotage themselves.

>>736481943
I'm betting they just figured it wasn't monetarily wise to release a bunch IG in gas masks and trench coats and then a year later release another bunch IG in gas masks and trench coats.
I'd rather have Vostroyans or Catachans.

>>736481943
They didn't even show off Perturabo when they announced him. I think this is a response to femstodes bombing and them trying to get hype back up by rushing out something they had planned later this year

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Primarchs are fucking lame and Phoenix Lords are far cooler.

>>736481943
Anon, GW doesn't give a fuck about any faction that isn't Space Marines. Intercessors alone sell more than most entire factions.

I honestly thought they were saving the Armageddon shit for when they finally do Ragnarok/Russ returns

>>736481554
>They're using the Krieg models for Armageddon Steel Legion
It all comes full circle, considering that Krieg was just a recolor of the Armageddon models.

Is there any actual hope for DoW4?

>>736470045
>Woke marine
lmao

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>>736481491
Are you people retarded? Go open a guard codex right now
There is no guardsmen in the entire book. Generic squads do not exist anymore. There's carian units, catachan units, and a Krieg units

Literally every other army was eliminated months ago and we flipped a tit over at /tg/ but even then they're mostly brand slaves so it was a quiet event.
It's not just steel legion they're all gone

>>736484009
Buddy, you're flipping a tit over your dumbass plastic crack. We're talking about lore shit. Show the fucking book or codex entry that says "and then 99.9% of the various guardsmen regiment got thanos snapped" and you might have an actual claim. As it stands you don't got rules for generic guard squads because they're trying to roll out new shit and like >>736482036 said GW is retarded when it comes to long term planning.

>>736472663
>guys it's not GW having 0 care and knowing the whales will eat any slop thrown at them it's for the ragebait

At least my nigga Leandros got promoted to a place he deserves, he proved he was able to think outside the box but alas 40kiddies just know the lore by meme and porn

>>736484009
Fucl off tt nigger. Lore and story is all that's good about 40k. Take your gay little dice, your ruler, and whatever stupid shit you autists use to play your autistic ass game, and shove them up your ass.

>>736481212
Corax is a huge "the ends justify the means", it's precisely why he's "afraid" of Curze because he represents everything he could have become

>>736484009
my vostroyans... my Elysians...

>>736484814
Speaking of Curze, is he dead dead or is he also just stuck in the warp but can come out every so often if the stars align?

It's funny how /v/ always preaches against CONSOOOMing only to CONSOOM Games Workshop's shit

Warhammer symbolizes everything wrong about capitalism.

>>736484943
they kept him in a weird gemstone in case of marvel hero to bring back. He SHOULD be dead dead for sure dead. Sangi is more implied to be able to be brought back than him

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>>736484973
who said anything about buying their plastic shit? I just get their games on keysites years later

>>736484765
>Lore and story is all that's good about 40k.
Buddy I hate to break it to you but even that fucking sucks. 90% of it is;
>And then Captain Fistius of the Baby Blues Chapter hit Chaos Lord Childmaimer of the Angry Sons Legion really hard with his thunder hammer, and the day was saved (Est. Imperial casualties; twenty bajillion. Decisive Imperial Victory.)
The only good part about 40k is that it has some cool designs.

>>736485029
You're still CONSOOOMing their shit. You're spending your time, resources and attention span on their products and by talking about them you're promoting them for free.

>>736485171
am sorry, am sure there's a twitter screencap I can find if it eases your pain

>>736484814
>the ends justify the means
That's what the point of him nuking his own planet. The Emperor was teaching him that you have to make hard choices. If they had him question the Emperor and his own beliefs you end up with other Kahn

>>736485205
pretty sure corax was already on his way to nuke the planet before Big E came in

>>736485040
I don't take anyone who gets filtered by on the nose names seriously. 40k has great characters, stories, and themes even if a lot of books are shit. Helsreach, the Gaunts Ghosts series, Brothers of the Snake, Baneblade. If not from a philosophical stand point, at least from a pure story standpoint. Go be a hyperbolic retard somewhere else.

>>736485276
No, Corax was on the fence about it then the Emperor showed up to pick him up. They had a conversation and Corax refused to go with him until he dealt with the rebellion that was going on which lead to him nuking the planet.

>>736485546
ah damn, thought he was a based nigga from the start. Loved when he sent his worst sons to die in Horus's assault. I don't like the Khan he's too perfect

>>736485690
In a family of retards who take their personalities to the extreme, I think it's fine having one guy not be turbo autistic in any direction. He's like the only normal one.

>>736485873
the universe bends itself for him to have the perfect retort, his only weakness is being insular. I much prefer the Lion because while it's shown he cares and is a great general, his lack of communication actually bite him in the ass. Hated how he mellowed out

>>736485690
Jaghatai Khan? What's so wrong with being a space mongol? He wants to go fast, kill xenos, and be the best hunter. Compared to the insanity the rest of the primarchs were doing the man was practically normal.

>>736485690
If you're talking about the dropsite massacre they actually pulled lots to see who would go and who stay behind. The one thing people forget is that Corax was the one of only two Primarch who never trusted Horus

>>736475684
>another mediocre licensed game
its still the best 40k 3rd person shooter by far, back then there was nothing like it, sorry you were low T, faggot

>>736486021
no no, before Horus turned heel. He sent the ravens at the front to flex despite Corvus's protstations. So Corax sent the most brutal to the meatgrinder

>>736486021
It was before the Dropsite. They had a joint compliance mission and Horus pretty forced Corvus to spearhead a massive assault that Corax really didn't like. Corax sent in his Terran born sons who came from the same stock as the Terran born Night Lords. They were hyper-violent and Corvus didn't like them because the Big E used them to oppress people.

>>736486132
Oh, I forgot. It's when he learned that the whole shit could have been avoided and Horus was just using him to reduce Luna Wolves casualties. It's the reason why he hated Horus before the Heresy

>>736486286
I'd kill for a buddy cop book for Corvus, Ferrus (actual competent for once) and Vulkan (who doesn't abandon his sons like a black man)

>>736486363
>Ferrus (actual competent for once
Ferrus was never competent, the dude was Perty levels of petulant and constantly threw his sons in the worst campaigns

>>736486363
If you read the Dropsite Massacre novel they actually have a pretty good bro moment where Vulkan and Corax sit Ferrus down to ask him if this was actually a good plan. Ferrus actually chills the fuck out and actually gives a pretty decent reason why they should go through with it

>>736486443
except it was more about "survival of the fittest". I like the IH, they are probably the very few chapter that actually go against their progenitor's wish

>>736486661
The death of Ferrus scarred them deeply, and they've been hesitant to even have a singular "head" of the Chapter like most other Chapters do. They even got into a spat with their own successors in the Sons of Medusa over what is essentially an ideological difference. The IHs probably have the most interesting internal politics going on for any Space Marine Chapter, but outside of that and "reject emotion, embrace machinery" bit there's not much else to them.

>>736486761
yeah and the mechanicus trying to turn them into their proxy chapter, quite interesting indeed but alas last time ppl remembered them was during their meta

>>736486794
Ah yes, Chapter Master Smashfucker. Back when "herohammer" was big and a singular character model could wreck entire units singlehandedly. Can't say they were better than the stratagem spamming bullshit of modernity, but at least people still had to pay lip service to the force organization chart. Well, before detachments became stupidly broken, but that's another matter.

>>736481462
The emperor was in fault here, he should have told the primarchs he had to return to Terra to do something that would place humanity in a even better position.

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Techmarine is fun. The servo gun is mental and feels poweful af.

>>736488061
All Mangus had to do was surrender to Russ peacefully or travel to Terra himself. He was told to cut bullshit out and still did it anyway

>>736485301
The names weren't the point, it's that nothing matters besides Space Marines, who are objectively one of the most boring factions in the entirety of 40k. Every other faction ranges from 'Somewhat competent' to 'Comically incompetent' to sate the status quo of Marine dominance.
Those stories don't matter. They have no actual impact on the setting or lore outside of their self-contained plotlines. In some cases this would be a good thing, and for a while it was 40k, but this has been going on for so long now that it's stagnant. Just look at the new Armageddon 'plot'. Ghaz returns and Yarrick is there to fend him off. Just like before. Except now the focus is on the shiny new Space Marines. Make sure you buy the new Marine models, which look exactly the same but with the old helmet again!
There are an infinite number of worlds in 40k, yet the only ones that ever matter are the ones that have named Space Marine characters on them.
Did you know that the Necrons are currently undergoing a full fledged civil war, with Imotekh and Szarekh rallying Dynasties to fight it out against each other? Because going by GW's lore that doesn't matter, the only part that did was that Guilliman showed up briefly and then ran away, and that was where that plotline ended.
Did you know the Tyranids launched their biggest invasion ever in the galactic west, starting the Fourth Tyrannic War? Well GW only did that so they could show the new Terminator models fighting the Nids, it was forgotten about a month after 10e launched and was only just now mentioned again only to say that the Imperial Fists are no longer fighting Nids so they can go fight Iron Warriors.
Did you know the Tau were getting ready to invade Ultramar? Because GW evidently didn't, and instead made the Ultramar plot be about Titus and how he's sad his Primarch is telling him to do Space Marine things and fight random Necrons.
40k lore is a joke made to sell Space Marine models.

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>>736481396
>He thinks Nids matter at all when they have accomplished fucking nothing in the setting
>More than Chaos, who just assraped half the Imperium to death, blew up Cadia and are the only actual antagonist faction to have accomplishments worth a damn.
Imperium are the Protagonists and Chaos are the Antagonists, Xenos are nothing but fodder to fill out the setting. Nids don't matter, Necrons don't matter, Tau don't matter, all of you would get crushed instantly by Chaos without the Emperor holding them back. Every codex since 5th edition has confirmed this. Stop deluding yourselves into thinking the setting is anything other than the Imperium VS Chaos.

>>736489176
>>More than Chaos, who just assraped half the Imperium to death, blew up Cadia
You mean the Imperium that got huge Space Marine reinforcements via Primaris, and Cadia, home of the Cadians who are now more plentiful than ever?

>>736470045
I honestly had more fun with Darktide

Wanted to play the Assault Marine with the jetpack but there's always some little gay circle on my screen. Ruins the entire class, desu.

>>736482341
Conterpoint:
helmet looks dumb

>>736489176
>Chaos fan thinks he's any better
My brother in Khorne, we're speed bump NPCs for Marines too. Titus and two Intercessors fought a fucking Lord of Change and won. GW only promotes Chaos over Xenos because we have overpriced Primarch models just like normal Marines do. We aren't any better.

>Space Marine 3 is going to be about Titus fighting Orks on Armageddon, up until Angron and the World Eaters appear as the real big bads
Are you hyped?

So whats this i hear about femstodes being canceled? Is it really a logistical error, or are they pussying out of it

>>736475684
Its a fun game, holds up surprisingly well, but at the end of the day, its nothing special. 2 feels like a missed opportunity, its space marine 1.5

>>736491739
Custodes aren't a popular faction and femstodes didn't change that. In general it was just a huge nothingburger that blew up because GW's marketing team is incompetent (just like the rest of GW), and now that it's done GW's just moving on like they do with every non-Marine release.
People think this means Femstodes failed or got cancelled when in reality GW doesn't care. Odds are they never really did. They have new shit to hype up and are focused on that now.

>>736491893
>GW doesn't care
Pretty odd to go with an option that everyone told you they dont want, if they dont care.

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>>736492118
Welcome to 40k. If you aren't a Marine fan your opinion doesn't matter, GW will do whatever the fuck they feel like doing with your faction and you can sit there and eat it after they finish up and go back to shilling Marines. You are second class and your faction exists at the whim of Space Marine players.

>>736491893
>Femstodes failed
They did faggot, go back to r*ddit

I like how this thread is one guy seething about Space Marines being popular

I have never lost a game to a primaris player.

>>736472663
Perturabo will come back in an "End Times" scenario as "renegade" but anti-chaos and Dorn will come back having been corrupted by his knowledge of the warp (of course that will never actually happen but it seems like they tee'd that up in all the Horus Heresy lore)

>>736490954
I'm not, chaos isn't fun to fight in these games.

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>>736494648
>Perturabo will come back in an "End Times" scenario as "renegade" but anti-chaos
We actually have art of Daemon Primarch Pert now. He's up and active as of next week.

>>736491893
>they didn't care
>they pushed a hugely unpopular move that have them tons of negative PR for no reason
sure buddy, sure. same reason everyone in all their official fluff these days is a gay black woman, just coincidence.

>>736495368
man this art looks like shit. even at the basic level, this is like a first draft not ready for publication.

>>736495368
Yeah, I know, I just thought they were hinting at something like that with Perturabo being referred to as "my indefatigable lord of iron" with "a great sadness at things to come" when he meets the Emperor, and Dorn being noted to be too autistic to know of Chaos because he'd inevitably fall to it die to autism, and the symmetry in the two Primarchs. Also something something "iron is annealed and strengthened by fire" and "bends" to adapt whereas stone eventually erodes and crumbles. I was thinking something like an inverse of the whole Alpha legion "inside man" theory, an "outside man", an intentional seditionist as a last ditch safety measure.

Now that Perturabo is 100% Daemon Primarch that obviously won't happen (and it probably was never going to, just a little subtext for interest rather than anything concrete)

>>736495368
Why is he a daemon prince?

He's the only Primarch in HH to not use daemons and hates Chaos.

>>736495840
The gods uplifted him on purpose, as a joke.

Parturabo is omega cringe, btw. If ever the term "manchild" could be applied unironically, Parturabo would be it. The Iron Warriors deserved better than this spaz. They really needed iron within to be able to tolerate his faggotry. Even Angron is less of a millstone.

>>736495840
He's been established as being one for years now, it's just the HH books hasn't gotten to how that happened yet

>>736495903
I like their style.

>>736496168
Presumably it's something along the lines of
>Iron Warriors retreat into the Eye of Terror with the other traitors post-Scouring
>Chaos Gods come knocking on his door offering phenomenal cosmic power now that he's stuck in their neighbourhood and at his absolute lowest point
>accepts because he's genuinely at the end of his tether
>uses his phenomenal cosmic power to build himself a giant daemonic fortress security blanket and spends the next 10,000 years refusing to come out and just building things all day

>>736495840
>Why is he a daemon prince?
Because Lorgar won.

Iron Warriors are peak cringe.

Lame Primarch, his loyalist sons are far more remembered and have more impact in any setting plus yellow is best.