I HATE UNREAL ENGINEI HATE UNREAL ENGINEI HATE UNREAL ENGINEI HATE UNREAL ENGINE
>>736485562Same but waiting for shader compilation is not a big deal. It has bigger issues.>shit performance>blur>shit lighting>all games look similarAll of these stem from UE5's biggest issue which is that it advertises itself as streamlining development by handling all the tedious tasks by itself.This fosters lazy development practices with UE5 developers not bothering to light scenes properly or optimize anything because these things are technical and boring so they just rely on UE5's sub-optimal presets.You have games like Silent Hill 2 remake where your guy can't see 10 feet in front of him but the game just renders the entire map in full detail + ugly ass Lumen because UE5 is supposed to handle all the LOD and lighting for you.
I hate it for the opposite reason, too many devs don't allow you to compile shaders before playing so you have to endure on-the-fly shader compilation stutters the entire fucking game
>>736485562Are you braindead? Shader compilation isn't UE exclusive, you fucking mongoloid.
takes a minute or two on my machine
idc because the game is shit anyway. graphics aren’t a big deal to me
>>736486639Everyone hating UE just for being UE (not by its use) is retarded by definition
>>736486718It never takes more than a minute unless it's one of the games that does one big shader compilation when you first play it and my PC isn't even good.
For us retards on stock coolers these things are scary. Your CPU instantly jumps up to like 95c and stays there for several minutes.
>>736485562It only has to do that once you big sobbing baby.
>>736486824unity went through the same thing years ago
>>736485562I unironically respect the frostbite engine more than unreal, and I know frostbite cannot make an RPG
>>736486925That sounds like you fucked up installing your CPU cooler.
>>736485562>pckeks
>>736485562Why did games in the past never compile shaders? Why did this suddenly become a thing?
>>736487224Compiling shaders is basically actual 100% CPU utilization which will heat the bastards up quickly without a good cooler.
>>736487139If I can recall correctly people disliked Unity because of all the low effort shovelware that often just used assets from the asset store without any regard for consistent art direction. It wasn't really a technical thing like for example UE5's lumen looking like crap most of the time.
>>736485562>playing unstraight troongineslopyou get what you fucking deserve, slopeater
>>736485562NOOOOOOOOOO I HAVE TO WAIT 1 MINUTE FOR SHADERS TO COMPILE AAAAHHH SAVE ME NIGGERMAN
>>736487340If your CPU temperatures are going above 90c at any point there is a problem with your cooler like misapplied thermal paste, it's clogged up with dust or it's far too weedy for the chip you are asking it to cool.
>>736487318Less stuff to compile so it was done on the fly without you noticing it.
>>736487318They did compile shaders. It's just the shaders were extremely basic and quick to compile.
I'm making a UE5 game, but been completely rewriting their systems. When I launched their templates, one that ran like shit on my top of the line rig was the horror one. Somehow dips to 40 FPS when there's fucking nothing. Character and CharacterMovementComponent run like shit. I got rid of Lumen and went back to old techniques, got rid of virtual shadow maps, Mega lights. Now I'm back to proper FPSs of 300. I'm hoping to reach higher numbers soon enough and keep working on my game
>>736487459>If your CPU temperatures are going above 90c at any point there is a problemSeems it isn't just people that have become emasculated
>>736487602?
>>736487459Did I not just post AI saying it's completely normal? It is completely normal for a Ryzen CPU using a stock cooler and under 100% load to hit 90s in an moderate environment. AMD themselves straight up say that is an expected and safe temperature.
>>736487594Why would you want to go over 300 fps?
>>736487665Above 90C is the point where silicon chips start to burn out. It is dangerous and should never get there.
>>736485562>Retarded faggot would rather have more random stuttersWhy is OP like that?
>QUICK TO THE UNREAL ENGINE 5>WOOOOOOOOAHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAHHHHHH OH GOD OH GOD OH MY GOD>PETER WHAT THE HELL>JOE JOE GET INSIDE THE SHADERS ARE STILL COMPILING>WHAT THE HELL PETER THE CPU IS HITTING 90 DEGREES>WOAAAAAAAAA- O, O, O, O, O, O->*ue5.exe has stopped responding*Every AAA and indie game now
>>736485562hmm, weird, never seen this screen before
>>736487787Because normies are retarded and hate anything immediately inconvenient even if it will improve their experience in the long run
>>736487724>Above 90C is the point where silicon chips start to burn out.Nope. The permanent damage threshold is far higher than the reliable operating temp. You have to get it to like 150c for there to be long term damage to the chip.
>>736487702Because I got a 5090, and I know we'll enough if I can get it to 400 while I plan to add tech and gameplay on top, it'll dip back down to around 300. 300fps on a 5090 with some of the early benchmarking might be around 130fps on a 3060 at native res. If possible I'd like to push it further and get 1070 to around 120fps but I have no clue right now besides trimming and optimizing unreal more. I had no idea how much overhead the gameplay ability system has until I rewrote that to its basic core.
>>736487854You realise that chips don't heal? Any damage is permanent.
>>73648772490+ is fine for heavy load, but if its there for extended periods, like an entire game session, then yeah its bad. these things are literally made to get extremely hot.
werks on my console
>>736485562It has been worse in the pasthttps://youtu.be/S0aXAm0jqd0?si=teQhwrPlgcmPQCRm
The blur makes me feel sick. I legit can't play any of their games unless I install a proformence mod that disables it.
DirectX12 was a big mistake. Games regressed harder than DX11.
>>736487886And you need a temp higher than 90c to do any damage. These chips begin to throttle when the temp is too high for reliable operation, not when the temp is high enough to damage the chip. They throttle well before that threshold.Reminder people fixed the 360s back in the day by putting them in a 200c oven so the solder would melt and reconnect the chip. It did not kill the chips getting them that hot.
>>736488164So why do most chips throttle themselves around 90C if they can go to almost double that without damage?
>>736488164>>736488206Leadfree solder can take up to 200C but the transistors don't like to be enabled and cooking past 100C.
>>736488286>transistors don't like to be enabled and cooking past 100C.The entire CPU is transistors.
>>736488164>putting them in a 200c oveni just wrapped mine in towels>>736488206if your cpu is throttling at 90c, it must be like 10 years old.
>>736488349Why would the age matter?
>>736488329The ram will fail before the CPU or GPU. DDR5 already taps out around 60-80C.
>>736486535Couldn't you use a preset and modify it? Just tweak it a little devs
>>736488435We're not talking about the temperature inside the case. If that were to get to 90C then something is on fire.
>>736488206To protect the whole computer.AMD has straight up said Ryzen chips are designed to operate at 95c 24/7 with no effect on reliability and lifespan. The same cannot be said for, for example, the motherboard.
>>736488573>To protect the whole computer.What do you mean?
>>736488610Your whole system is connected and overheating CPU can mean overheating memory controller which means it's corrupting your ram and that corrupt your SSD. Its to protect your system.
>>736488610The CPU is plugged into a motherboard and surrounded by components that may not like getting heated over 100c.
>>736488696>>736488704The CPU getting to 90C is the CPU die itself. Not the surrounding air.
>>736485562The one positive thing about UE is that you can at least disable temporal smear.
>>736488734No one is talking about air. It's the entire SOC. Everything is connected. Your CPU die hitting 90C means your infinity fabric is also unstable and that controls PCIE/IO.
>>736487724Not really. That's modern CPUs for you. Intel's shit can easily go up to 100°C or more under full load. Fuck, even benchmarks account for that now as at some point almost all CPUs start throttling. The upside is that you're rarely using 100% of your CPU so it's not a big deal in general.
>>736488734https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_transfer
>>736486535>all games look similarThat's by far the 2nd biggest offender after the performance. But, I mean, there SHOULD be at least some UE5 game that looks different? At least one? People did some great stuff with UE4.
>>736488798The CPU itself running at 90C doesn't suddenly mean the RAM is. It will heat up the air in the case of course but not to that extent.
>>736485562At least these games can precompile the shaders, you should see the absolute state of modern emulators where they have to be compiled on the fly and the games turn into slideshows.
>>736488854The memory controller lives inside your CPU not your RAM
>>736487271Enjoy your 720p (checkerboarded)
>>736488885So why can't that run hot when the CPU apparently can if it's all on the same chip?
>>736487823KEK
>>736488854>It will heat up the air in the case of course but not to that extent.It heats up more than just air. It will continue heating everything around it by all the methods of heat transfer until thermal equilibrium is obtained. There's only a handful of hotspots that have cooling protection. Everything else just gets hotter and hotter and spreads that heat further and further.
>>736488929There are other misc voltages besides your CPU die retard. Fclk, IOD, IGPU, IMC, etc. They have different tolerances for voltages and temperatures. That heat from your CPU die also affects them because they are all together. It's a system. If IOD trips so does the rest.
>>736489060It's mounted on a thermal insulator.
>>736485562I have been avoiding UE games since it's 4th iteration. Honestly the best decision I made as I now play better video games.
>>736489076So why then can Ryzen chips run at 95C if the memory controller is still the thermal bottleneck?
>>736488772Is there a way to force this? An .ini or a command line argument maybe.I tried disabling it on Expedition 33 through the in game settings but I was still getting a subtle trail behind moving objects.
>>736489085No. It's actually mounted on a pretty decent thermal conductor. Do you think your CPU communicates with the motherboard by ceramic pathways or something?
>>736489169That's what the CPU die is rated for but if you have Hynix a die OC it will fail at 60c ram temp and that can happen just from your GPU getting hot that 350-450w of power is dumped directly into it.
>>736489110Such as?
>>736489283Well now you are contradicting yourself. Before you said that the throttling was to protect other components so it wouldn't matter what the CPU die is rated for.
>>736489281I mean on the bottom. Why would the heat sink on the top conduct to other components it is not connected to?
>>736489337There are multiple ways to throttle not just temperature. I suggest you look up how Ryzen works if you don't even comprehend misc voltages and misc limiters.
>>736489402If other chips throttle at 90C to protect other components, then one that does it at 95C instead would therefore be more dangerous to said components.
>>736489390>I mean on the bottom.So did I.>Why would the heat sink on the top conduct to other components it is not connected to?The CPU itself is connected and will transfer heat to your board and anything connected to the board.
>>736489521I don't think you know what a thermal conductor is. That would be something like a copper heat sink.
>>736489484You can hit power limit before temperature limit. This is what Nvidia regularly does to protect your system.
>>736489605So in conclusion Ryzen chips are running too hot.
>>736489550Pretty much everything is a thermal conductor. Just to different degrees of effectiveness. An insulator doesn't actually stop heat transfer. It's just something relatively slow at it. A conductor in comparison is something relatively fast at it. The connections between your CPU and the motherboard are good conductors of heat.
>>736489656Did you even read what I said? You can hit power limit before temperature limit. That power limit is not set by AMD it's set by your motherboard vendor. AIBs control the BIOS like Nvidia makes their VBIOs power limit to not cook your shit.
>>7364896569800X3D is a 65w average gaming CPU. 14900k guzzles 200+w in gaming. In what world is 65w too hot? Hyper 212 Evo cooler is rated for 150w and this is from 2009.
>>736489741How can you hold onto a match when the other end is on fire? Because wood is a bad conductor of heat. On the other hand if you were to put one end of a metal rod in a fire it will eventually burn your hand because metal is a good conductor of heat.
>>736489743How is this relevant to thermal throttling?
>>736489804Exactly. And your CPU is connected to your motherboard by a lot of metal pins.
>>736489889So? The motherboard is also a bad conductor of heat (and electricity, with these properties being related).
>>736489939There's lots of good heat transferring connections going all over the motherboard. And they also have a hard time dissipating that heat into the plastic of the board itself so they will send it to the individual components they are connected to.
>>736490095The circuitry is not substantial enough to conduct any significant heat to another component entirely.
>>736490095Also the board itself is made of fibreglass, not plastic.
>>736490252It's made of fibreglass reinforced plastic.
>>736489173Usually via Engine.ini but recently a lot of games ignore the config files and you need to change the values with smth like UE4/5 unlocker.
>>736490348No it isn't. Try snapping one in half some time. It's made of lacquered fibreglass.
>>736485562>pc gaminglol
>>736490421>FR-4 (or FR4) is a composite material classified as a thermoset plastic
>>736485562Custom engines are the way like in crimson desert or death stranding 2
>>736492219Crimson desert isn't a good choice as that game is still a mess and it's engine needs work since it was originally designed for MMO games.
>>736490421That sentence either mean you think circuit board are made out of genuine lacquer, which would be tree sap, or that you didn't think it through.Either way, that's pretty retarded.
>gorgeous visuals>amazing performance>zero crashes>zero loading screens>easily fits at least 100 NPCs on screenYeah, what a mess.
>>736492219crimson desert has some of the worst lighting I've ever seen to the point that it makes lumen look competent.so much for their claim that they put a lot of effort into making it look and run well.
>>736492219decima engine is the only good thing that came out of horizon games. more open world games should use that engine
>>736486535>disable lumen in config>increase cache>maximize gpu memory allocation>disable texture streaming>disable post processing>game now runs fine>lighting looks fine>zero shaders complied>zero popin>zero loading times as its loads everything at launchskill issue.
>>736487594 based if true. But why not go with UE4 at that point? You could also use forward render and DX11.
