>In an in-depth interview with Reece "Kiwi Talkz" Reilly, former Rockstar Games audio engineer Rob Carr – who worked on the likes of GTA 5, La Noire and Red Dead Redemption during his tenure at the company – spoke about the current state of the games industry where layoffs and studio closures are becoming a common occurrence. "It's not nice to lose your job at any particular point" Carr says, "but, you know, when when there's literally thousands of people in the exact same situation, you find yourself in a position where it's no longer like – my 20-year tenure is no longer good enough for me to get a job whereas 5 years ago it was.">Carr adds, "I got 20 years industry experience, I've worked on some of the biggest titles in the world, but there's 35 other guys with the exact same amount of experience and tenure and projects behind them as I've got." And that when it comes to the interview process, Carr recalls being told there's nothing wrong with his applications, and that "It's a toss of a coin at this point."https://youtu.be/_GgqUvHQE3g
>>736486647>work at rockstar for 20 years>the only games you worked on were GTA V, RDR2 AND GTA 6
Then band together with some other long timer devs and startup a new company.
If you are that good and experienced, where is your indy studio?
>>736486803This. Other devs have done it already. Get those 35 other dudes and do your own stuff.
>>736486647More jeets, more AI, more public debt.
>>736486803This, once devs ripen they should split off to do their own thing and hopefully nurture another studio that eventually becomes too big to be good and spawns another wave.
This is the endgame for all capitalism.Start small business > create quality product > grow company > go public > become slave to stockholders > profit margin becomes your God > can't hire experienced workers > quality of product begins to deteriorate > only hire workers fresh out of college/outsource work > quality of product becomes dogshit trash > company dies, leaving only the people at the very top richerTruly a lovely world we've built for ourselves
>>736486858>>736486976This was also the standard for decades until all the smaller studios got eaten up by the likes of EA Activision, etc. I guess these guys had cushy jobs at these giant companies and can't fathom what it's like working for a small studio again. These are the types that, on paper, should be able to make good indie games or present some sort of tech demo or idea to a larger studio that could get them hired for a project.
>>736486647That's because they don't want the 'bigoted old guard'. They want søiboys, jeets, nigs, trannies and fat bitches. Experience means shit to them.
Great news! Every leftist who loses his job is a net benefit for mankind. Shouldn't have been an anti-White shabbos goy :)
>>736487136The problem is they now likley have a family to support and so need the income now. Not in a years time.
>>736486647>audio engineer >(((worked))) on 2 games I'm 20 years>leave your comfy job because you "know your value">nobody wants to hire people who don't actually contribute shit towards making gamesthe mind boggles and is perplexed by this
>>736486803Then the game will be a flop because these retards will make DEI garbage.
>>736487270Welcome to the real world? Their bubble popped
>>736487270This. The economy isn’t the same as it was in the 90s when you had these game dev studios popping up all the time. Our current economy doesn’t support that anymore
Do you remember "hua hua lr2 code, you deplorable bluecollar cis rayciss"?I remember
>>736487270That's what publishers are for
>>736486647We have a mass shortage of Plumbers, Electricians, Farmers, Carpenters and other hands on jobs.>"But I don't want to work with my hands!"Congrats on being homeless then.
>>736487403That's why they should be making an indie game lol
>>736487403Our current economy doesn't support anything. It is explicitly designed to curb any and all upward mobility.
>>736487540every zoomer, spic, and jeet is getting into trades now
>>736487540>We have a mass shortage of Plumbers, Electricians, Farmers, Carpenters and other hands on jobs.Well, the upside of that is that the increased demand will make it so companies offer more and higher paid apprenticeships and internships and increased wages so that demand can be serviced. Right?
>mfw working as an underwater welder and watching the bubble of shit useless job finally popworld economy collapse soon
>>736486647 based, fire all western "devs"
>>736486803With what money
>>736486647Why don't these head up their own arse devs band together and make the best games ever made?
>>736486647Good.
>>736488357Blackrock
>>736486647>Sir what did you do specifically at Rockstar?>Uuuuh you know those boring GTA live service slop missions? That was me>Get the fuck outta my office
>>736488686Where the fuck is my free Blackrock money
>>736488174Sorr goy, best I can do is import infinijeets who will do a shitty job for half the pay.
Its everywhere, not just gaming. Things are fucked and will only get worse.>>736488720He was an audio engineer.
DEWD I WORKED ON GTA V!!! I WAS AUDIO ENGINEER LEAD TEAMER!! I HAND PICKED ALL THE GAY SHITTY RAP AND PLOP SONGS FOR THE GAYME!!!! FUCKING EMPLOY ME!!!! WAAAAAAA
>>736486647kek wagies
>>73648721350-something xcucks make up the majority of the faggots pushing DEI and woke, dumbass.
>everyone is experiencedEveryone is *pretending to be as* experienced as you are, you mean
>but there's 35 other guys with the exact same amount of experience and tenure and projects behind them as I've got."Wait so in the entire games industry there is 36 audio engineers all with the same exact experience all going for the same jobs? Lmao
I lost my job last May and haven't had any luck, you're fucked if you're a junior dev.
>>736488357Don't most of these startup studios secure funding with a loan, government grants or by trying to interest investors? How can indie studios accomplish this, but not tenured game devs?
>>736486803>band together with other devs>Interviewed guy was an audio engineer>he's now competing with 35 other audio engineersYeah, lets base the entire company around 36 audio engineers who spent their life on audio stuff. The "games" they'll make will be so good.
its not my fault im neet if they don't want me to work
>>736486803They can't because the people complaining are brainless code-monkeys, 3d modelers, ect with no imagination. People who were never needed to make video games.
>>736489271Those kind of indie studios are run by trust fund kids whose parents can pull some strings.
>>736489271>Don't most of these startup studios secure funding with a loan, government grantsYeah sure, government funding indie GTA that's a great use of tax dollars that will definitely be okay with the majority of your constituents and not be political career suicide.lol (mentally) immature kids say the darnest things
>>736487270Time to sell coffee, code monkey.
>>736486789When it says "who worked on the likes of ___" it doesn't mean those are the only games he worked on. It just means those are examples of some of the games he has worked on. 20 years ago none of those games were even in development.
>>736486803The guy in OP is an audio engineer. He's probably really good in his field of expertise but that's not the type of job suitable for starting up a new game dev company.
>>736487101>marxist faggot is saying corporatism is capitalism again
>>736487540Lmao, this was the case 5 years ago, now every blue-collar field is being flooded by people desperate for literally any form of pay to the point where large companies are talking about people "paying" them for the privilege of working for them and learning from them.
>>736489520You realize loads of games are funded by the government right?
>>736487270Well the coal mine just left town and I got five mouths to feed too, tough shit. They should check their fancy degree and see if there is a bit that says the world owes them a livelihood.
>>736489520Making games would be a far better use of tax dollars than what they are currently being used for. Mostly to be given to Israel, corporations, brown bioweapon "people", and corrupt politicians
>>736489174>became a game devWhy, game dev has been known to be a dogshit career path since like before 2008
>>736487540learn trades is the new learn to code kek
>>736489819The guy is in a uniquely terrible position where his role is mostly suitable for big AAA games but the AAA industry is dying hard. R* was probably the most job security he was ever going to get in the industry and he purposely quit it
>>736489271Most of the experienced people in any industry is either already deep in dept or they have absolutely no wiggle room since they have mouths to feed/other priorities that NEEDS to be met right fucking now. It's why most of the vidya scene was made up of nerds and weirdos with soft hands in the 90s since they had 0 obligations to fulfill right out of uni and had no prospects in traditional fields of employment so they could spend a large amount of time on stupid bullshit that had a low chance of success since the only people who would suffer from it would be themselves and even then they probably had family members to fall back on.
>>736487950The more I look at it all the more I worry the Leftists were right.
>>736490329The blue collars laugh at the white collar workers, but they literally shit their pants and vote like crazy at the illegal who will do his job at a quarter of the pay. Because they know most would hire the illegal over them to save money.
>>736490442Time to flip burgers, then.
>>736490489Last time I checked, being a burger flipper pays like shit and gives you 0 job security or guarantees. I should know, I applied for 13 positions 2 years ago and only one of them replied with "we are full, fuck off lmao".
>>736490645Time to sell your ass on the street, then. What are you looking for? That we all cry for liberal leftist video game developers that always were anti consumer?
>>736490714I'm saying that it's not just retards losing their livelihoods, its everyone as the economy keeps reshaping to serve less and less people while politicians keep pushing more and more people into it.
>>736490865Oh now you care about people losing their jobs. Now that it affects your liberal pals. Well, guess what? All the bridges were burned. No help or compassion is coming.
>>736490962I don't give two fucks about anything other than pointing out that the 1% is coming for everyones money, including yours and you can't stop it because your politicians are either retarded or are in on the scam.
>>736489821>marxistlol, no>corporatism is capitalismAlso no. What I'm saying is that the same way that corruption from the human element ruins communism and makes it impossible to function also ruins capitalism. Capitalism will always be pushed into corporatism in the end because humans can't moderate their greed.Literally the same failing as communism, just takes longer to snowball to this point of no return.
Operation Epstein Fury is driving the global economy into a recession. Deal with it.
>>736491107AAA is crumbling because they only release garbage. Now that the blackrock gravy train left the station, they are dying as they should.
>>736486647>2 game>20 years old veteranLol lmao even
>>736489520You do realize that's extremely common in the industry now, right? Way to talk confidently about something you have no idea about.
>>736487101Just don't go public lmaoLook at steam
>>736491265This is bigger than shitty vidya, the "gravy train" would have kept going for another 15 years if the economy hadn't shat the bed 5 years ago and AI didn't become a new religion 2 years ago.We arent seeing retards reaping what they sow, we are seeing everyone being dragged down into the same hole and AAA vidya is the canary in the coalmine that is proving it because the economy hasn't been about pleasing consumers and uplifting people since "trickle down economics".
>>736490645It pays more than not having a job at all.
>>736486647>Barely any experienced dev can find jobsYeah and ill bet if they were willing to take lower pay there would be plenty
>>736489821Capitalism can't even function without the state protecting private property, thus inevitably business becomes entrenched within the government
>>736492297Business becomes entrenched within the government because they have enough money to bribe the entire system. It's nothing inherent of capitalism. It's human nature.
>>736491483>>736490080lmao list games funded by government grantswhy does 4chan not understand burden of proof?
>>736492412>he thinks it is just bribing when in actuality business people becomes the part of the government
>>736492565>He thinks the merchant class of old didn't have the king in their pockets.
>>736492627Didn't state at all it is a capitalism only problem, was pretty much implying that it applies any time businesses and government gets involved. Hence the East Indes companies
>>736491107The economy's been like that for 10ys now. I WILL gen slop with "AI". Not often but if i feel like it. Next time don't ruin the economy and blame it on "AI" ""suddenly"" ruining it but only when it's ur turn machine-hater
>>736486803None of these retards that can't find jobs have any game ideas worth actualizing, they're just grunts.
>>736488686Free Blackrock money?Just put some trannies and niggers in your game!No overt sexuality unless it's homo!
>>736493457Neither have those who stay employed though
>>736486647>In 2016, Carr left Rockstar Gameslol retard
>>736492423The Long Dark.
>>736489821>real capitalism hasn't been tried
>>736491502That requires the original owner, or the kids that inherit the business, to resist the temptation to make a huge, huge amount of moneyMost people don't have that discipline and go for the easy money.
>>736486647WE DON'T need more subpar vidya slop but we do need tree cutters and pressure washerschop chop
Not my problem.Just like me not finding a job isn't their problem.
>>736492412So you're ready to admit communism works? It failed because of human nature.
>>736494342...you listed one game when I asked for multiple and it's Canadian money4chan doesn't like to think things to, does it?Once again, asking for government grants to fund your game does not happen. 4chan is a bunch of nitwits
736486803The world doesn't need more audio engineers, it's automated now.
>>736486789Uhh yeah?
>>736486647Yeah, being one out of thousands of little cogs that don't do much on their own tends to impact your visibility in the market, yeah
>>736487270Divorce is always an option
>>736491502Valve hasn't made a good game since Half-Life 2
>>736487283Are you retarded? Reading isn’t hard, but apparently you’re too fucking brain rotted to even do that.
>>736490464The solution is to male mobility flat, everyone is equally poor.
getting a new job sucks. I'm currently looking and I have 13 years experience, but it's all super specialized stuff so either I take a big pay cut or I just stay at my current job... It really hems you in after a while, which is especially annoying when you can't get a good raise or your boss becomes annoying that said, I'm in financial consulting, not gaming
>>736486647>GTA VI developer realized he was making the FINAL VIDEO GAME.
>>736487101Yes so this, becoming slaves of the state is a much better alternative than suffering under the woes of capitalism.
>>736495961Every industry is fucked right now. I don’t think I’ve had more trouble finding a new job at any other point in my life like I’ve been having now. There’s a part of me that wants to hit the reset button and become a zogbot and make $40 an hour being a glorified babysitter, but I’m too pussy to pull the trigger fully.
>>736486647This reminds me of that old Steve Jobs quote about how Xerox ate itself alive because the suits treated the actual talent as disposable pawns to be shuffled around and disposed of. The suits and investors aren't the ones that bring in the money, yet they treat themselves with the highest level of importance when they should really be cultivating the talent.Capitalism is too stupid to keep itself alive.
>>73648664720 years of experience will expect 20 year pay.better off just hiring new devs
>>736496082Why do you think the only two options are capitalism as it is now and communism? Both are defunct and totally fucked by human greed.The human element fails both systems
>>736495401And? Rothchilds and Tim are still losing!
>>736486647Korean cinema has a solution for this.
>>736488357>With what moneyJust come together and work on the weekends and after work then release the game while still working for the company.
>>736496215my job is booming with new business but my bosses refuse to staff up because "lol ai," I ended 2024 with 18 clients, today I have 28 as well as additional work responsibilities.. all I can do is just pretend that I'm working and push back as much as I can
>>736489819Sounds like he should start a cheap sound bank asset shop instead. Customers won't be just video game devs but other media people too.
I'm playing RDR right now and I don't know the technical terms but the voices are actually kind of unpleasant on the ears. Needs to be compressed or something?
>>736497035Most people will just generate these sound effects. There’s literally no ramifications, and the only thing hold someone back from doing this is ideology. There’s no possible way to tell a sound effect is AI generated.
Yeah that’s because they give the job to danger-haired niggers and Indian Jeets nowThe world needs to crash
>>736488357They get paid like 100k/year, I live on 20k a year and I'm still deving all alone after work
>>736486647Not my problem. Shouldn't have thrown your lot in with the academic feminist culture warriors and you'd still have a vibrant, growing industry like they do over in Asia.
>>736486847That shit takes thousands of dollars in a post Biden economy where everything is 10x more expensive than it was ten years ago. >>736487540 spics can’t work for shit. Black women outwork them, I’ve never seen a fucking Mexican worth his salt. They move at a snails pace and do 1 hours work over an entire shift.
>>736488686To do that the game has to have Debra Wilson or be all black. So that game would be an instant flop.
Western games industry is fucked up, people are used up and then spat out, devs move from company to company looking for work. They'll work on a game or two and then bounce to a different company.Meanwhile in japan theres staff that have been with their same company for fucking years. Shinkawa STILL works with kojima at his new studio. Tsukasa saitoh and kota hoshino have been at fromsoftware since for over two decades.Theres people credited on otogi that are still at fromsoft to this day.Shinji mikamis new studio, unbound, has key staff from tango still.Imagine making vidya with the same people, for over 20 years.Id software only lasted like 5 after doom's release and everyone, romero included, stated publicly that after doom was made the company culture completely shifted and nobody wanted to work there anymore so they all parted ways.Its insane.Theres ZERO loyalty and cohesion in the western sphere, people love to spout about inclusion and a welcoming workplace but nobody actually WANTS to stay with their company, work with the same people. Theyre just looking to make a living and dip out when they added another bullet point to their portfolio.
>>736497652>spics can’t work for shitThey still hire them over you bro or you wouldn’t have base your entire political party around deporting them
>>736486803You need a good idea to pitch a project. And even better, you need a REALLY good idea to convince these jobless devs to abandon their ideas and rally around your vision. Indie is different from a studio as the latter would have a hierarchy and you simply have to go by the rules of the founder (since he's paying you).
>>736497767A bunch of bethesda staff stuck around for a long time, although recently a bunch have jumped ship but a lot has changed for that company.
>>736486803lolGood luck trying to secure a loan for SME in this economy.
>>736496746>while still working for the company.What company
>>736499262i find it hard to defend devs when every time I hear them speak I face palm. Maybe it would be different if they weren't all so retarded, but i find it tough to only blame the business ppl.
>>736486647I'm currently playing GTA 5 right now and it's such a huge step down from GTA 4, it's practically criminal. If GTA 6 is even more of this shit I'll fucking firebomb Rockstar Studios.
>>736486647Nigga worked on two games and wants to act like his two decades of experience are worth anything.
>>736487540>farmersthat has its own fucking set of problems. Most of the land is owned by the government and Monsanto fucks over everyone
>>736496837Whats the source of the image? If it's a game I need to play it because the gameplay looks great.
>>736488357Many ways. You can use personal credit to secure loans. 10-50k can hold over a small team for at least 6 months. With that time, getting a working demo to secure the rest of funding is possible. If you cant use credit, forming an LLC/corporation and using the name recognize from previous IPs can influence private lenders. Angel investors and venture capitalists will ask for a percent of ownership in the firm and invest a certain amount of capital after you can prove the studio is Shovel ready. Usually with an office or some kind of design idea. From here produce a working demo to gain further investments. Talk to a few publishers and ask to demo an IP you're willing to sell. If they like it they'll come on as a publisher. Or Go to early access/kickstsarter asking for the rest of the capital to finish the game. If you still have credit as an option you can bypass this and just remortgage your property or apply for grants and loans. Hope this helped.
>>736500313wreck my bias
>>736486647>I worked for Rockstar, I deserve 3million per year>what did u do?>I'm an audio engineer>lol. Lmao.
>>736486647>Rockstar Games audio engineernot an important job.
>>736486803most people are not that sort of people. they want others to do the hard work, they want others to build the ship and invite them on.
im so happy i took the nursepill and my job will probably be safe no matter what happens. not great pay, not great hours, hard work but its bearable and safe.
>>736486803The problemo he has is that he doesn't have money, all of those six figure devs spend monthly as much money as they get paid, that's why they go broke in less than a month after being fired and not finding their next job.I personally spend a lot of money some months, but I barely earn 2k, all of those silicon Valley niggers literally get 12k a month and struggle to make ends met.
>>736488357Indie gamedev is super cheap these days. They could probably get going with something like 10k-20k for top of the line dev tools. Which really isn't all too bad of an initial investment if you split it up with a few other guys.
>>736496082Business always becomes entrenched within state because it can only function with private property protection, so inevitably you're getting fucked by both at the same time.
>>736501320Hey nurse janny, the obese diabetic with the gangrenous wound just took a mad shit all over himself. You better get in there and clean it up. Also we're out of peppermint oil.
>>736501320There are a ton of great paying, easy living nurse jobs.Look into being a traveling home health nurse. Mostly you just hang out at somebody's house and fuck around on your laptop, especially if you're willing to work graveyard.
Unionize
>>736501676no problem! Do unto others as you would have them do unto you :)>>736501779oh i do. i should specify that MY current nursing job is good, but there are a lot that are really hard. working ER or hospitals in general is really hard, but nursing homes and traveling home health nursing is indeed good. i am the latter and it works great for me. rather flexible with how i approach my day and i get to work by myself besides my interactions with the patients and my coworkers when we meet back at base for lunch. i used to work graveyard at a nursing home and it is incredibly chill, but graveyard really does do a number on your body and mind no matter what. its just so unnatural for your body that you are in a constant state of stress even if you're just sitting there. what people say about it is no joke.
>>736501998you get used to graveyard and get paid more to work less. My mom was a icu/ccu nurse for 40 years at a hospital working graveyard and is still chugging along, works home health now, and I've done graveyard for ten years.
>>736486647There are plenty of jobs in game dev. He just wants a "20 year vet audio engineer" job and probably won't accept lower salary
The video game gold rush is over (at least in its Western AAA form) and the industry veteran grift is dead. No more "from the people who made..." dream teams (plus their inexperienced and incompetent friends) that spend 4-7 years fucking around with big publisher funding and pandemic era fed rates while never actually delivering on projects or moving units. They have the string of flopbusters from Redfall to Marathon to thank for ruining it for all of them.
>>736494679lmao communism works in the way that the people is robbed of their money and land and everything is tunneled to the ultra rich in the government. It works great.
>>736501921Devs in most companies are too expendable for that unfortunately for them, especially since most people attribute the quality of games to studios instead of the people making them.
>>736502604Was marathon a flop? It seemed to be doing fine from what I saw, well relative to most of these projects, it probably underperformed, but it didn't crash and burn.
>>736504445Yea bro, your next line is that it's too hardcore for most gamers but it has a niche community.
>>736502604This boy still kickin?
>>736504530It's a nu-bungie game so the only filter is how retarded you are with your money spending. But I still don't think it flopped.
>>736487540Bullshit. Every five years or so, our masters say "Don't waste your time on X, do Y." Then, after people waste their time learning and certifying, they say "Don't do Y, do Z." Rinse and repeat.
>>736488992>>736487319They are doing DEI garbage because their investors are mandating it.>>736488357Take a loan or look for investors. Plenty of game devs got laid off or quit, started new studios, and are doing well now. Petroglyph comes to mind, they used to be Westwood, got bought up by EA, killed off, then they started a new studio, and their first fucking game was a Star Wars RTS for Lucasarts (back when both Star Wars and Lucasarts meant something absolutely great).>>736489819>The guy in OP is an audio engineer. He's probably really good in his field of expertise but that's not the type of job suitable for starting up a new game dev company.New game dev companies don't need audio engineers?
>>736496516If only there were a third position.
>>736506178>They are doing DEI garbage because their investors are mandating it.This is cope. The majority of devs are leftwingers and libs who are pushing DEI from the bottom-up. It's not top-down.
>>736506559This. We are so sick of your California DEI bullshit. Now we want you to lose your job. We want you out of the video game industry.
>>736497792Get the fuck out of my country nigger.
>90% of jobs are ghost jobs>you need to pass through 300 layers of AI humiliation ritual >you need to pass 3 stage 3 months long interviews (you got filtered at stage 1 but they don't tell you that :)))))))))))>you need to have 10 years of experience to just apply junior level low bottom job >AI replaces literally everything>processionals can't find a jobs>40 years olds are now competing with 18 yo in McDonald'sThis is humiliation ritual. Can only imagine how bad it will be in 2030+
>>736486803And who will pay their bills until their first game is done? God?
didnt ask
>>736507094Back the their parents house like the rest of us.
>>736486789Where does it say that those were the only ones he worked on you illiterate nigger?
>>736502604>No more "from the people who made..." dream teamshasnt been the case since the 00s once western gamedev teams grew to unnecessarily enormous size and began recruiting unqualified peopleplus the massive brain and talent drain thats been happening over the two decadesmost of those talented dream teams have been disbanded years ago or left the industrywhich brings me to the second point...>4-7 years fucking around with big publisher fundingthats been happening since at least 2010 once suits fully took control and took one too many notes about insatiable greed from bobby kotickthe suits just thought they could fool everyone with selling them their watered down games and remade content foreverits reaching a point where they continue that tried strategy
>>736507349*where they cant continue
>>736502604The saddest part is that the experience wasn't passed on. It died. Nothing replaced it.
>>736496082Binarybrains like you should be vivisected and your remains sold to black market organ traffickers
>>73648664720 years working with RAGE engine probably has him cuckedthey want jeets that went to 3 months of tech school to learn Unreal Engine they can bully and pay minimum wage to pump out slopsomeone with 20 years experience working with a competent engine will be demanding top dollar
>>736487270If after 20 years working for fucking rockstar they don't have fuck you money so they can easily go another 20 years unpaid, they deserve whatever happens to them.
You losers deserve to lose your job after letting DEI fuck you up the ass. Whore. You made feminist garbage then shat on us. This is what you deserve. Flip burgers, dev.
