>Marcus i... war... is bad.Bravo intelligent systems
Kill Lalum
Fire emblem
More melanin enriched girls please
>war... is good
>>736493000Rape Lalum
https://youtu.be/bGli4JmutBc?si=6qS7MxzRHHCWK3F-/ourboy/ at it again
all those war stories will have the same "war bad" message, but none of them has the balls to ask why wars happen in the first place.
>>736493274Bankers?
>>736493274hey cool it
>>736493274>The dragons are back>The gods are back>Evil people manipulate behind the scene>Evil power corrupt kingWhat else did I miss?
>>736493435Idiot womanletsHorny
>>736493274Most FE games don't actually go for a preachy "war is... le bad" angle.
>>736493435>Evil people manipulate behind the sceneThis one is based on real life
>>736493576Cecilia I... war is bad.>yes
Post the Awakening Alm quotes image
>>736493794
>>736493232Here is the official /vfeg/ Fates skill tierlist
I didn't realize my post about shanna last thread would generate so much discussionfor the record to that one anon, the reason why I brought up her combat is because back in the days on every FE6 tier list you'd see people talk about her being better than thea because of her combatI know she's good because she's your only flier for like 9 chapters, but she was often rated close to the top and I highly doubt that amount of availability is enough to make her next to, like, marcus
>>736493906>two wrongs don't make a right!>two rights don't prevent the bext wrong.Chad. I loved SoV but I really wish that was what Alm was like. Just get shit done.
>>736494023What's wrong with Wary Fighter?
>>736493274>>736493576>most anime protags talk about "war bad">meanwhile the chad Ephraim
>>736494103The easiest to measure thing is whether or not she can save turns with her flier stuff and she does that on maps like 8x, ferrying people across the gap to prevent having to loop around the map. Her placement at the top should mostly be contingent on stuff like that. That's not to say that she isn't helpful if you don't care about turns, just that her placement on lists like that would be predicated on similar scenarios to that.
>>736494401Literal seconds before Eirika was mounted
>>736494401Why would he fear her sword? He has weapon triangle advantage
>>736493274wars happen because the other side doesn't listen, and that's what no one did
>>736494401Imagine the bed breaking sex that they totally didn't have because that would be disgusting.
Girl abs erotic
>>736494231Enemies aren't very fast and you have numerous ways of boosting your own units' speed. Like I see people have Effie equipped with wary fighter despite being a naturally fast character and being supported by berserker Arthur giving a bunch of speed. It's just stopping you from doubling the slow enemies. Benny is slow enough that it's worth equipping, but that's also kind of the reason I hate Benny.
>>736494401>Brother...>Brother...>Brother...>Brother...
>>736494023feel like i'd move savage blow to A. 20% AoE damage is surprisingly nice for moving more threats into a reliable ORK threshold, and anyone already gunning for trample will get savage blow as a nice freebie.>>736494103i'd have to mull it over to an extent given the amount of trash in FE6's roster, but even then I wouldn't place Shanna anywhere near the top. flight utility is nice, but it's just not something I value that much in Binding Blade specifically, and her combat contributions are not significant enough for me to influence my decision on her placement
>>736494401>Ephraim please turn your never ending lust for war on the people who were mean to me!
>>736494401based sister fucker
>>736494743It's pretty much only worth it on Benny and he's balanced around having it which really sucks for getting him there. I think F is fair because of this.
>>736494921That's the hardest part of all of the runs because of the scrimblo fiends. Just one more inventory's worth of Javelins, please, I need this.
>>736473930 for anyone planning on continuing the relay. might do it myself but >lategame FE6 so i'm not particularly compelled to do so at the moment
>>736494401Eirika was a waterfall hearing that speech about her brother being a mass murdering war monger
>>736494743>>736494838I suppose that's fair given the context of using only Benny/Effie as Generals. I've done a generics only run on Lunatic and it was nice having a Wary Fighter general around.That aside, I dont think it's F tier. I'd say it's probably more like D, because it's more reliable than skills like Good Fortune or even Luna
>>736495208So was I but no one cares about my pussy because I'm not a pretty anime girl
>>736494921I didn't even know it was possible to be completely broke like this while also having absolutely no fucking items in the convoy
>>736495280Good Fortune is solid even if unreliable because most sources of healing are unreliable so stacking them insulates you. Proc skills aren't anything you can rely on but on units that face a lot of combat they'll let you ORKO some stuff you wouldn't otherwise which helps on PP. That said I suppose I would run it over just about every other skill in F. Except Nobility. Why is that there?
>>736495308>but no one cares about my pussy because I'm not a pretty anime girlYes now show tits or gtfo
Anyone wanna do a luigis mansion relay after fe6 is done?>>736495340Genuinely what did we spend all of our cash on?
>>736494401Why is Erika like this
>>736495552Don't blame a girl for being horny.
>>736495487Nobility is shit. The EXP formula combined with Corrin being likely overleveled at all times means it does practically nothing post-branch of fate.
>>736494752https://youtu.be/PP_yI2mKjtc?si=SdxzMozYCQrKGOyr&t=40
>>736495671Corrin gets overleveled because of Nobility.
>>736495729I don't think that's true. The diminishing returns make a 20% boost nonexistent pretty quickly.
>>736493274Because humans will always want to destroy or subjugate whatever it is they dislike regardless of their reason for it. And if they're in positions of power that allow them to do so, they will try to.It's really not complicated or grandiose. I'd say that lack of complexity is the true reason for why war and racism plots are boring. There's not much to chew on, because this has been known for ages, and there's no real solution, because those issues are born from what makes humanity itself."Don't start a major conflict that will destroy lives" and "Don't make sweeping judgments about people based on what they are just because it feels good to blame everything you hate on a single idea" are also, inevitably, what the moral will be, because that's just obviously true.The most you can really get from those types of stories is exploring why somebody goes to war or why they have prejudice, but that's still incredibly limiting. There's not much there you can't get from "smaller", more personal motivations and themes, and those can branch out into other questions about the human condition that don't have a clear answer or are worth observing from different angles.
>>736494103>>736494429On normal mode (lol), Thea doesnt stand a chance since Shanna is going to be well ahead of her in levels and there's no hard mode bonuses to bail her out for free stats.On hard mode, base Thea is likely to have comparable strength but she'll lose in terms of other stats and weapon level.
>>736495729Corrin is only over for the very beginning of branch of fate. After its like +1 level on average.
>>736495729Corrin gets overleveled there you don't have many other units to focus on leveling before Branch of Fate. It's really just Felicia/Jakob (calling them GOOD leveling candidates is another matter entirely) and Kaze for a few chapters, so you're naturally going to funnel more experience into them at that point.
>>736496182So it's like half a Defender.
>>736495552it's a mystery
>>736494103Tier lists are rating something that is extremely different than the game you're used to. In that world saving a turn moving through an empty map is just as important as wiping out an enemy army. Tate struggles to reach level 10 to promote and never has the weapon level to use the S rank lance.Not applicable in a "normal" playthrough.
>>736496206Not really. At the point where you're getting like 1 exp for a hit, you'd have reached the same level without nobility. It's like half a defender 20% of the time.
>>736495552She's a woman(female)
>>736496301Not in my experience.
>>736492815Roy never says this
>>736496553>be against war in general>support your country during a war anywaysimple as
>>736496297Tier lists are virtually never rated on the basis of LTC. Like it seriously just doesn't happen.
>>736496649Tier lists are based on "efficiency", measured through "expected turncount", which is turncount x reliabilityIt's not a real playstyle that people actually do but the tier list ratings are theorycrafted based on what they think the meta would look like
>>736496440I don't think I've ever felt like Corrin leveled noticeably faster than my other units. Once you're outleveling the enemies enough the skill basically deactivates as 20% of a 4 exp gain just gets rounded down to 0.
>War... i lost my home to a war. War is bad, rose.>yes, kurt, war is just awful>RAH! W-whats happening!? My head- MY HEAD!>The shadows! Fight it prince kurt! >RaghEAGHHH I have to kill the empire!! RAHHG>Stay behind me rose, the prince is being consumed by his own hatred.>ah, protect me robot corrin!>Grrraah The shadows have taken my soul... war.. is GOOD!>Kurt no!>Prince kurt isnt there anymore rose, it's time to put this imposter down like the dog he is>hah, corrin, dont you get it, if you fight me, you'll become just like me!
Cutesythea
>>736495524>>736495340A random suspect mind misread the menus and threw away two (2!!) elysian whips trying to promote fliers so we had to buy two to get the wyverns promoted
>>736497138How do you make that mistake twice?
>>736496890>Tier lists are based on "efficiency", measured through "expected turncount", which is turncount x reliabilityNot even, though. Discordfags and redditors have been trying to push this "expected turn count" meme for years now but if you ever actually sit in or participate in of these community lists, it's clearly just a bunch of dumbasses voting on vibes and/or what some "thought leader" said in a Youtube video. That's why it takes fucking years to get to shitheads to notice fairly obvious truths like "magic good in Fates," because it HAS to be said in a YT video or argued by some micro-eceleb for it to reach mindshare levels and become consensus.The exception to this is if you're looking at a TL made by said FEtuber or eceleb, and those are somehow even more prone to biases and retardation, because they often assume their "expertise" makes them infallible and miss a lot.
>>736497182Tate just straight up got fried. Didnt drop the whip
>>736497182You don't, you just create a very bad cover story to try to convince people.
>>736497112>gacha has better writing than engage
>>736497225Oh right. They were waiting to promote at 20 lol
>>736496267Eirika with a belly full of oniichan
>>736497138I think he threw away one and lost the other when Tate diedWe also bought extra promo items since we're using so many underleveled characters, and got some angelic robesWe would still be able to afford lots of javelins, hand axes, fire tomes, etc. since we could sell a secret book or something like thatI think some people just forgot to visit shops
>>736497326whatever helps you sleep
>>736497393Hot
>>736492815I haven't played Fire Emblem in months
>>736497202>it's clearly just a bunch of dumbasses voting on vibes and/or what some "thought leader" said in a Youtube videoFucking this, and it's always clear as day that's what they're doing when you're arguing with these retards. They're more hyperbolic and narrow minded than the average anon on /v/ somehow.
>>736496017I think what truly makes a memorable "war is bad story" is the character work that goes into how the war affects people in an individual level, which often has to be overlooked in fire emblem for the series' trappings to work. It's hard to have big impactful character stories when your cast is 50 scrimblos. To that end I think the tomino gundams do a great job of exploring that and I believe FE has some gundam DNA in it
>>736497202The process is>elitist says "unit x is good" in the secret LTC hangout>this info makes its way to a youtube poop creator, getting slightly distorted along the way>youtube video spreads information to the drooling retards who watch fire emblem youtube shit, though much of the context of the statement has been lost>youtube viewers pretend to be elitists as they try to repeat whatever they heard, but they don't understand it at all>redditors are then polled to create a tier list. the redditors have heard that x unit is good through a game of broken telephone so they say x unit is good. sometimes they try to rationalize these claims with their own casual experiences, without realizing that the initial claim about unit x was only relevant in extreme ETC efficiency meme runs
>>736497202I used to read tier list arguments on Serenes for fun. It's mostly just squabbling over minor things. Not really that dissimilar to here. The burden of proof is usually pretty high in these kinds of threads to see any kind of movement at all once things have settled.
War is...le bad
>>736497230That's probably what happened desu>Darn, put Lilina in the boss' Bolting range seconds after starting the map. Just a little goof teehee>Whoops, I threw Tate in the range of every enemy on the map and she died. Retreating? What's that?>Consume vs Throw? How am I supposed to tell the difference between those? It makes no sense at all!We still made it to endgame and we are on traxk for the best ending though, so whatever.
>>736498007
>>736497409>we're super broke with no weapons>mfw the original save that I did that got lost had even LESS weapons because I didn't get to visit the shop
>>736498073It's just insulting to see them try to still pass it off.
>>736497858Some of the best unit analysis is in the FE wiki and I'm sure many of these pages haven't been touched in years despite Youtubers' many attempts to rock the boat.
>>736492815
>>736498073white cnt vs glowing green TRW all caps
>>736498167I've never had a bad time getting information from there. They've gotten thorough with game information over the years too. I used to always have to go to WoD for exact information.
kind of obsessed with this level 7 unpromoted peg knight with a crisp 10 attack on a slim lance in MID GAME fe7
>>736497858That is pretty much it, yep. I do think tier lists tend to get *overall* more sensible over time (i.e. more accurately describe what is good and effective at beating the game), but they're also prone to sudden memes and thought viruses. Odin being re-appraised as a valuable unit was correct, but it took Zoran saying it to get people to finally believe it. And they're not necessarily basing it in their own experience and experimentation, in many ways they're just repeating what they heard an authority said, and you can tell by vagueness/inaccuracies of their arguments.
>>736498134I mean, I've called it out as suspicious instantly, but dramafagging over it would've done more damage to the relay than just dropping it, sadly.
>>736497858yes trust me, contrarian dipshit on an image board and my casual experiences, over decades old settled opinions.
>>736498118you used clarine twice and didn't notice she needed a fire tome?
>>736498395Correct, my opinions are as old as those arguments.
>>736498395If anyone this was "settled," people wouldn't still be making FE7 tier lists in 2026. Obviously nothing has been settled.
>>736498202>It's le greenGreen only signifies that you can keep doing actions after selecting that option, which of course would make no sense for a promo. Trade and Supply should've taught you how green text works by now.>TRW in all capsTrw isn't in caps, just like how Cnt isn't in all minor
>>736498426I'm retarded what can I say
>>736498395I will never cede ground the RD Jill gaslight.
>>736498461because some random retard that thinks he's hot shit is going to tier potential man over known generally accepted good units for (You)s. you're irrelevant.
>>736498523Don't worry about it, it's just funnyAs long as we get a decent player on chapter 22 we should be fine
>>736498178I love both of them.
>>736493435
>>736498616Why are you so bootyblasted? No one has even given specific examples for your bogeyman. The point I'm making is that tier lists are inherently vibes based, they have to be. Most players are not basing their arguments on hard and logically airtight numeric data, but rather on map-to-map "feel," and even skilled players have holes in their knowledge because there are too many permutations to actually weigh at once. Seth is obviously good, but how do we decide Franz is good? Because he feels like mini-Seth, not because he saves X-turns if you feed him 500 EXP points in Chapter what-the-fuck-ever, and he hits his low average to rout what's-his-face. See, I can't even think of anything specific, but I *know* Franz is a good unit.
just a couple more levels and she can have that promo br-AIEEEEEE
>>736498395>t. discord circlejerker
>>736498949This unlocked her potential in the next run
>>736498884https://forums.serenesforest.net/topic/16443-fe9-tier-list-v3/Do you think they spent almost 10 years and over 150 pages of threads arguing about "vibes" or do you think they probably got into some numbers?
>>736498263>Odin being re-appraised as a valuable unit was correct, but it took Zoran saying it to get people to finally believe it. And they're not necessarily basing it in their own experience and experimentation, in many ways they're just repeating what they heard an authority said, and you can tell by vagueness/inaccuracies of their arguments.this extends way beyond just odin. everyone similarly parrots how good wyvern elise and elise!ophelia are, but when you watch someone try to actually use those units in a run it's plain as day that they have no experience actually training and using them effectively, and just think they're Free Win buttons
>>736498949>Boss is gray>Gray pirate right next to Tate>Second bolting sage attacked for the death quote(lol
>>736498949AIEEEEEEEE
>>736492815The art style has just that something modern pixel art doesn't get. I love the early 00s GBA/DS style that gets this... fuck dammit.
>>736499039You're not as smart as you think you are, and nothing is settled. That's my argument. I get into data too, but data is not an objective facet baked into reality itself. Numbers are prone to our own biases. It's best to keep that in mind at all times, and to realize tier lists are something of a rhetorical/verbal game more than mathematics.
>>736499048>wyvern eliseThe irony of that one is that running her requires blatant favouritism but it's okay because muh eceleb approved it.
>>736499215>running her requires blatant favouritismBut enough about Mozu
Odin bad actually
>>736499039>the science is settled goy they talked about it on the forumsCome on dude. You're arguing for the authority of a nebulous consensus. Not that the result of "150 pages of threads" isn't a good starting point but that sounds far from settled.
>>736498604what gaslight is this? that she's good or bad?
>>736498884>I CAN'T MAKE THOSE ARGUMENTS THEREFORE NOBODY CANlol ok you self centered dipshit. what the fuck does discord have to do with anything by the way? thanny has been called a good unit long before discord even existed.
>>736499249ummm it doesn't le count because she's my waifu
>>736499316I didn't say anything about whether or not they were right.
>>736499249>DeflectionAt least Mozufags are honest about the fact that they need to favour their unit, while W!Elisefags still cannot do the same.
Who is more useful, Mozu or Engage Anna?
>>736499323You have people literally banning her from draft-races because the Youtubers think she's Haar. Potential-woman being treated like the second coming, it's insane.
>>736499039>boyd above ikelol
corrin is only an S tier unit when given blatant favoritism too btw
>>736499418She has worse bases than haar but is fairly uncontested in the shitter brigade, and carries them so hard I can see the logic
>>736498884What sort of rebuttal is this?>UM UM I ONLY ARGUE BASED ON VIBES SO THAT MEANS EVERYONE ELSE DOES OR THEY'RE LYING!what massive projecting is this you retard?
relay??
>>736499249At least mozufags admit you have to scribmlo her
>>736499485go ahead, start the chapter>>736495175
>>736499048Every mage in Fates was deemed unusable dogshit at release by popular consensus, and they all ranked at the bottom of tier lists. Today they are at least acknowledged as useful units when invested in, if not distinctly powerful and upper tier. The narrative used to be was that "magic is weak in Fates," which seems comical now.It's not that nobody could see how obviously strong magic was back then...Horse Spirit was always talked about as a strong thing, for example. It's that there are a hundred narratives and personal experiences initially, and it takes a dominant narrative to cut through the bullshit and prevail over counter-narratives. And once it does, it's prone to being misunderstood itself.Wyvern Elise is almost annoying nowadays because it's obviously good when done right, but it isn't the ONLY thing that is good, and it's not exactly "free" either.
>>736499476>and carries them so hardShe honestly doesn't unless you give her transfer bonuses and like every stat booster.
>>736499598Yeah, Volug, Zihark and Tauroneo can all put in a lot of work too.
>>736499598which is worth it because her class is so dominating. why is it so hard for you to wrap your head around the idea that certain units are more deserving of resources than others
>>736499347I didn't even bring up Shanna, nigger. Literally why are you fags coming to me with your pet grievances? I'm making a general observation on how units are rated, not talking about anyone specific. It's just a fact that LTCfags gather in private chat rooms and jerk each other off, I've seen it in action.
>>736499598She doesn't need transfer bonuses but she is the best recipient for stat boosters, and they're there, so why not?
>>736499598Why are you unable to accept that a unit can be good
>>736499925Actually we're gonna need to give that Speedwing to Tauroneo.
>>736499993Great use of resources. And Micaiah is gonna need that dracoshield so she can go from 2hko by everything to 2hko by everything
>>736499925Which is fine, but her stats are way overstated in how good they are. You're crossing your fingers for good level up luck or she'll be noodle-armed even with an energy drop.
>>736493274dragons, dark gods, dark dragon gods, dark magic, dark magic cults worshipping dark (dragon) gods, Edelgard
>>736500203The Dracoshield can go somewhere else but Tauroneo needs that Speedwing for 3-12 where it makes a significant difference in his performance. Jill notably has left the Dawn Brigade at this point.
>>736499786people talking with each other privately isn't the problem you seem to think it is.
>"Hmm. A speedwing would be pretty great on Leonardo or Meg! They WILL be very great help :)"
>>736495175save some for chapter 24 retardswe don't even have anyone that can use armads
>>736499563I already played the last map
>>736500312Meg is indeed good, yes.
>>736500303It's not a problem, who said it's a problem? I'm *describing* something that happens and the *effect* it has on tier listing. It's something to be aware of. Tier lists are glorified opinion pieces. They have some validity in broadly indicating which units have more utility, but take them with a giant grain of salt, they're not hard data and they're not even remotely context sensitive.
>>736500379Nigger...
>>736500379Didn't ask Nigger
>>736500215She can get by with forges to some extent but yes she runs the risk of being bad if rng screwed, which affects most units to some extent. you have to be seriously unlucky for jill to end up having very low str with an energy drop
>>736493274Literally 95% of wars happened because the nobility was greedy or bored. War was their one job.
>>736500290Huh? Jill never leaves the dawn brigade until part 4 unless you purposefully screw yourself over by recruiting her with Haar. Why do you want to give a stat booster to Tauroneo, who has far less availability and is just a worse unit in general?
>>736500624>Jill never leaves the dawn brigade until part 4 unless you purposefully screw yourself over by recruiting her with Haar.Of course we're doing that, we need to send some stuff over to Ike's squad.
>>736500693Of course we aren't doing that unless we're retarded.
>>736500624>worse unit in generalReclass him out of it if the class bothers you that much.
>>736500624he saves a turn in one very specific situation (probably)
>>736500739Yeah, like I said, it helps you clear 3-12 faster.
>>736500418what effect? the information in question is older than whatever discord chat you're pissed about. you're the one making a vibes argument based on nothing. you don't even have skin in this debate, so what's the point if not you don't like these certain people and want to blame them for a percieved problem.
>>736500760Is that the new ltc meta or something?
>>736500810On 0% growths, yes.
>>736500845>on 0% growthyou could have said that from the start and I would know to disregard whatever you say
>>736500894But then I wouldn't have gotten you to read all that, teehee.
>>736500773Dude what are you talking about? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, anon? Skin in the game? What information?Are you talking about Shanna again?I'm not talking about Shanna, I'm not even thinking about Shanna. If anything, I'm talking about Fates mages. But it's not even exactly about them either. My argument can broadly be summed up as "memes determine tier lists." Not internet memes, actual social-cultural memes.Units are considered good if they win out in the dominant narrative, not based on strictly mathematical realities. I can think of so many examples of this that I haven't even gone into.
>>736499479there are two autistic ways of rating units1) count up the number of turns a unit savesthis has fallen out of favor because there are often situations where you're supposed to use a specific unit for something very basic, but it's technically doable without the unit if you take 1000 turns2) give a subjective rating to every unit for every chapter and then synthesize that data for an overall ratingbasically just vibes
>>736500379Based nigger
For me, it's rating units on ranked runs, aka the only IS approved way to metafag.
>>736499598Who would use those stat boosters better in your opinion?
>>736501120Nino mid tier thanks to EXP rank contribution.
>>736501131Meg
>>736501179Nigger please...
>>736501120I like FE4/5/12 ranks
>>736494752Is what Erika says when masturbating
>>736501029First one is the one that makes sense. Let's call it "Power Efficiency." How much power it saves whilst being efficient with time it takes to beat the game with.
>>736493274In Fire Emblem it's usually because some big dragon gets greedy.That said, Triangle Strategy handled it pretty well, it's a pretty grounded story that actually explores the geopolitical crisis leading to the war pretty well. It also lets you explore different viewpoints, all of which are ultimately 'bad endings' while the good ending is something that happens only if you do literally everything right.
>>736501023That's why it's called a metagameIt will keep evolving long after the current players have stopped caring about it, and the new ecelebs or "authority figures" of the community will come up with new evaluation and deem Titania to be overrated for some obscure reason no one has thought of yet.
Who would you say is generally more helpful in RD. Makalov or Fiona?
>>736501340
>>736501324Titania has been the queen for like 2 decades now, I don't think she's going anywhere.
>>736501340Fiona, simply because she gets deployed for the Dawn Brigade
>>736501023I am talking about you admitting to not even participating in the debate yet making your snide discord to reddit pipeline comments when you have no clue what you're talking about.
>>736501401She's now bad because people started playing the higher difficulties instead of the easy modos.
>>736501314but there's too much dialogue and fft fanboys hated it for that.
>>736501520Cope.
>>736501324Some weirdo obsessed with Vaike actually memed him into a top placement on the last reddit list. It's literally a question of if you can make a persuasive enough video argument to redditors who don't know any better and don't play the game. "Titania bad" might be a tough one to make happen.>>736501456You are taking this awful personally, you must be one of the discordfags I alluded to. What fucking debate are you talking about? I still don't know. I'm NOT talking about Shanna, for the final time. I was never talking about her.
>>736501569Seethe.
>>736501302AlrightIn FE5 chapter 4 Lara is supposed to open the jail cells with her lockpickBut it's theoretically possible for Brighton to move through the map, capture an armor to get a door key, move back through the map, and open a cell door to free LifisYou need specific stat rolls and lucky crits to capture the armorFactor in the turns it takes and likelihood of working, and in this chapter alone Lara technically saves hundreds of turns
>>736501569Yeah, that's what hag obsessed metafags are doing. Turns out that higher mid-lategame stats matter when the enemies aren't complete jobbers.
>titania le falls off in maniaceveryone falls off in por maniac which is why the epic meta strat is to just let ike solo blender the lategame with his mary sue sword that he was secretly holding onto but not using for a year
>>736501023>I can think of so many examples of this that I haven't even gone into.nta but I'd like to hear about these, ideally for the pre-3ds games
>>736501819No bro, Oscar having 2 SPD and 4 STR is totally going to help him against those 60 HP enemies.
>>736493274>all those war stories will have the same "war bad" message, but none of them has the balls to ask why wars happen in the first place.Dragon madness *nod* *nod*
>>736501616>Some weirdo obsessed with Vaike actually memed him into a top placement on the last reddit listWhenever I see this guy mentioned it's just to make fun of him.
>>736501340Makalov imo
>>736501896this but unironically.
>>736500348fir stocks looking up
>>736501616you're doing nothing but seethe about discord ltcers and redditors that you brought up and you're accusing me of taking things personally?>I'm NOT talking about Shanna, for the final time. I was never talking about her.yes, that's the problem. you weren't participating in the conversation but felt the need to inject yourself into it with your fates and discord babble. the situation isn't remotely comparable to whatever stupid argument you're trying to make.
>>736501023One must imagine anon happy
>>736501939That's because you're on 4chan and not on reddit. Anons here realize that anyone could've been trained in the same method, and what was actually proven is that Frederick carries Awakening's early game hard.
>>736501819Actually you should use brom/gatrie and give them resolve
>>736502058That's a good point, if lategame performance is what really matters.
>>736502040I saw him being made fun of on Twitter, too, so I assumed he was just a schizo redditor everyone hated.
>>736501673Also she becomes a dancer later. S tier, indeed.
>>736501673"Technically Possible" =/= "Efficient Strat." If it clearly takes longer to do the autistic way.
>>736501964who else did you deploy?No need to rush this chapter, it's best to wait until turn 46 to open the door
>>736501819Ike only gets Ragnell two chapters before Endgame
>>736501896Oscar's actual purpose is to be a buttbuddy for Ike Sue to be able to run double earth supports and to ferry him around.
>>736501859I never got into those discussions as much. But here's some Engage ones>Citrinne seen as a shitty Dire Thunder slave for like a whole year, now regarded highly thanks to video essays showing how to build her for speed in Mage Knight>Excelblem did his one of his dumb meme playthroughs in which he used Brave Assist to whittle everything down which poisoned Engage discussion for like a year, as people started unironically arguing for this as an effective way to beat the game; now people recognize this is mostly frivolous and Heroes are a weak class>took for months for everyone to realize Bonded Shield is gamebreaking, and then there was a paradigm shift overnight once people realized it was>>736501995I will talk about whatever I want, you're the one pestering me about a Shanna debate. Fuck off.
>>736501964Ignore the other retard, rush this chapter or no balls.
>Oscar slanderkneel
>>736501964I'll respect you if you play the chapter normally.
>>736502295>Speed not maxedStinky doodoo
>>736502227>Excelblem did his one of his dumb meme playthroughs in which he used Brave Assist to whittle everything down which poisoned Engage discussion for like a yearThis one really did have me thinking the majority of Engage opinions I was reading were people who haven't played the game. Who wants to have zero enemy phase and start every combat not knowing if you're going to deal like 12 damage or 40?
>>736502110Yeah she's good if you consider the real useful stuff, I'm just using this as an example of a stupid technicality>>736502150It takes ~12 turns to beat chapter 4 with laraIt takes ~1000 turns to beat chapter 4 without laraTherefore lara saves ~988 turns if you measure units by the strict number of turns saved
>>736502419All of his runs are like that, he built his channel off of that brand of group deathballing and intensive scrimblo. It's fine as a meme but it was perplexing that people were seriously arguing for it for the longest time. But it's partly because people didn't know how to build units for a long time, and felt like Engage enemies were hard to kill without such gimmicks.
>>736502515What, people didn't know how to give a couple of Forges and a SPD inherit?
>>736502502does ~998 have an ETA of gameplay calculated or is that too autistic even for the mega-tists to answer mathematically?
>>736502502You've convinced me, Lara is officially SSS rank and is confirmed the best unit in all of Fire Emblem.
>>736501964in awe at the size of this Lugh, although I wish Niime got one of those robes instead >>736502162pretty much just ran with what the default team setup was, although I subbed in Lance (for someone who I already forgot) and Zealot because who the fuck is using Zealot this late into the game>>736502245>>736502298cannot perform a contrarian play as all reasonable bases have been covered. tragic
>>736502580We didn't know jackshit for a while. I didn't even use Mercurius for 2x exp almost at all on my first run. Stuff like that influences perception and can become entrenched, because most people won't even play the game second time. So they just remember everyone sucking really hard until the prepromotes swoop in to save them with their pre-trained stats.
>>736497202I like when their dumb logic has so many swiss cheese tier holes in it that even a casual observer can call it out, like the people who will suck off every jagen under the sun but then call Edward F tier when he's the only reason the prologue of RD is even playable
>>736502613I just picked a big number to illustrate the point, no one calculated ETC for real
>>736502515It's funny that Zoran pretty much figured out the Engage meta on his first playthrough at around the same time as all of that other misinfo. Inherited canter and speed+x on almost everyone and I think stopped himself from abusing bonded shield because it was so busted.
>>736499418Obviously she has to be banned in a draft race. Shes the only flier for the DB and the only mount besides fiona
>>736502709I guess I just really loved Engage, I played it like three times in a row.
>>736502580People also sucked dick at the game when they first played CQ. A majority of the FE "fanbase" is legitimately too stupid to come up with a strategy of their own, and needs someone to tell them what to do.
>>736497202>magic good in Fates*horse scroll and kind of nos is good in fates
>>736502654lugh is basically the glue that held the run together desu
>>736500290You watched one dondon video and think its meta to give tauroneo the speedwing instead of a niche LTC strategy
>>736502778I definitely sucked at Conquest for a while, I found Engage straightforward though. Conquest has limitless options but especially if we're talking about Engage before the Well, shit like a Canter or +SPD inherit is all you can afford anyway, like what else are you doing with the SP?
>>736499418Draft races are dumb, but at least you get to stick with the team you drafted in every chapter. Draft racing in FE10 is extra retarded
>>736502896It is the meta, in 0% growths, since he's defining that one with those videos.
>>736502852Coincidentally, he also popped off in the final levels before his level 20 promo. 20/20 fags saved the run with him.
Does Jill even want the speedwing? It's her best base and growth stat already.
>>736503035No.
>>736502803Calamity Gate, Lightning, Mjolnir, and even ordinary Fire/Thunder/Ox Spirit/Rat Spirit are cracked as fuck. They're just not as "special" as HS. I wouldn't even put Nos above any of these as a general-purpose tome, but it's really amazing in early CQ.
>>736497857Three Houses on non-Crimson Flower routes showed how bad and miserable the war was for the average peasant and how even just getting through the day was a struggle. Edeltards ignored that at the time though.
>>736503035She could use it to double some specific cats in 3-6 iirc but i'm not sure
>>736502654a moment of silence for our temporarily fallen comrade
>>736503035it helps her snowball quicker, but paragon + beastfoe will do that on 3-6energy drop is essential for removing the AS penalty on steel axes.
>>736494023Why did they nerf Pavise when it was one of the things that made Armors feel good to use?
Are people finally accepting that staff users are indeed good in RD btw? Because they are.
>>736503242y tho
>>736503271Because it's horrible to play against when put on enemies
>>736503242THAT DOES IT
>>736503242VETO
>>736503290didn't want to check the math to see if any of my guys could handle a hand axe crit. i'm too used to fe12 h3 lol rutger and like zeiss could tank it
>>736499598Yeah she gets really good if you give her transfer bonuses, every stat booster, all your forged weapons, uhhhh an earth support from somebody, paragon obviously, then after auto leaving the party for the one swamp chapter she would be useful on she can shave a turn off like one chapter in part 3 that Zihark probably could've done if you gave him literally any attention at all. not a scrimblo btw
>>736503310True, although it's not like FE is against asymetric abilities for enemy and player units. There were probably solutions they could've taken.
>>736503242It's over....
>>736497858I think the one e-celeb in particular was behind the shanna is actually good training project stuff. The same dude also decided that Clive is great because you can give him all the stat boosters and exp and rush him to Gold Knight promotion, which is just scrimbloing with extra steps.
>>736503420In FE12 chapter 19 my dracoknight tanked a forged killer axe crit from a warrior
>>736503505>probablyvery convincing
>>736503152No anon, that's the opposite of what I'm talking about. It's not about showing how war makes it difficult for the peasants and stuff. It's about the character work done in writing. Talking about gundam again; the protagonist of the original series has his formative adulthood moments entirely shaped by a war. He kills people, he goes through mental anguish trying to cope with that. He has to see his mom face to face begging him to leave the group he's fighting with and deny her. He sees his friends die in war. The first time he gets the hots for a woman she is an army officer that kinda manipulates him to keep fighting harder (thank you tomino and co, for mentioning that he keeps a tuft of her pubic hair around for good luck). His entire existence is now shaped by that war. Fire emblem doesn't really have that. Fire emblem has war place tragedies on people but we don't explore those characters enough to really grind into the viewer how exactly war shapes a person.To give you an example. We know marth loses his family and this tragedy ends with him seeking a swift and final end to this conflict to stop other people suffering as he has. His pain from his sister sacrificing herself for him has him swear that he won't allow that to happen again. But aside from that one line attesting it, we don't get enough marth as a character to know how the war affects him. Very quickly he's just going around altea toppling governments to restore peace.
>reply to 3h post>wordswordswordsevery time
>>736503812
>>736501819>>736501896Titania's meme lv 20 averages that she'll never hit without intense favouritism don't matter. Even with the gorge of Maniac enemy exp her statline is generally too shit to hang around and you're better off dumping her at the desert. The Daein invasion full enemy promotion shit just destroys her in a way that other units don't really suffer from
>>736503767>we don't get enough marth as a character to know how the war affects himwe just ignore it because it's lame
>>736502717I do wish Eddy had more strength but he's not unusable trash garbage like everyone says.
>>736504017again anon; that's perfect. That's not us getting marth. we don't see marth be weak and vulnerable and getting destroyed by the weight of the war on his shoulders. That's the game simply telling us about marth in a side conversation that won't matter again anywhere else. Its why i said here >>736497857that the fire emblem series' trappings, like support convos, don't really matter anywhere else(if thats not a support convo, well my bad but also the point stands)
>>736504017simply press start during any dialogue section in fe12 and you're all the better for it
>>736504017me on the right
>>736502227I never witnessed any of these meta discussions but Citrinne to me was obviously the second best mage in the game just from a glance and I figured out you could forge early tomes to make her 1 tap things. Surprised people saw her as bad ever. I also remember recently someone mentioning there was a war over if the early ores should be spent on bolganone, thoron, levin sword, or killing edge (literally who the fuck uses the killing edge?)Engage always seemed like such a cheesy game to me that I didn't put much thought into what would be meta or discuss it.
>>736502654>people actually want you to believe there was ever a competition between this thing and ririna
>>736504182It's the prologue telling you to keep your units alive because marth can't handle loss
>>736504884same diff
>>736502717Edward is fucking trash and he stops doubling on CHAPTER 1 of hard mode if he doesnt proc speed. He loses I think 5 speed or something from the steel sword at base. No wta either. Hes so frail even after training that chapter 5 enemies can kill him in one hit, thats where I lost him
Edward > Mia
>>736505145>trash > garbageIt's the same thing.
>>736505239garbage > trash
>>736505239Mia is good tho
>>736498110This game could have been so much more, but the hate it gets is so exaggerated.
>lower bases than aran>level her twice>+HP, skl, res and speed across two levelsgive it to me straight bros. meg is unusable right?
>>736505350Give her a steel blade and report back
>>736502803No, pretty much all magic was good in fates so long as your unit was strong enough to use it properly. I.e. Nohr Noble/Witch Corrin and maybe Ophelia. The way magic's 1-2 range was balanced was by nerfing tome mt and making most magic users have ill suited stats, countermeasures you could plow through by forging and stacking stats through boosters, pair up, and elixirs on Corrin to make the usual 1-2 range juggernaut which as always is far superior to most 1 range builds.
>>736503242Hello anon???
>>736505350the metafag mafia has been suppressing potential girl, keep leveling her
>>736505438Magic isn't notably better than using the Levin Sword other than Horse Spirit.
>>736493274>>736492815I kinda hate when game about wars are so dishonest about themselvesI'm not playing 20 games about war because I hate, clearly even normies understand the concept of "just war" so why not challenge them a bit and push those boundaries?Let me have a Oda Nobunaga that unifies a place for his own selfish purposes, is he not a Japanese hero?
>>736505496The loss of Merlinus was too much for him to bear, so he commited Sudoku
>>736503242first person to reply chooses who the dracoshield goes to if they're alive and deployed on this map>>736505496i'm alive lol; i already play FE fairly slowly and chapter 22 isn't a particularly exciting map so there isn't much to talk about
>>736505712Roy's our boy.
>>736505571>Let me have a Oda Nobunaga that unifies a place for his own selfish purposes, is he not a Japanese hero?he's the demon king of the sixth heaven
Marriage with Marianne!
>>736505526Exactly. Anon is like the guy with the pickaxe about to hit the motherload. Nigger assured me of this. During the RD relay I accidentally erased her from existence by entering the map before getting her event and then returning to base. I felt bad for Nigger so I'm glad it lost to Fiona right after.
>>736505749it has been done. i forgot how tanky he becomes post promo with the binding blade equipped
>>736505864He normally doesn't. Our roy is ~5 def above average
Behead those who insult the name of Titania(PBUH)
>>736505560Magic weapons in Fates are overrated as hell. Huge stat penalties, not very accurate, can't activate skills. There's an enormous difference between LS and any standard tome not encumbered by a bunch of bullshit drawbacks. The only real reasons to use a magic weapon are a) you want WTA and b) for the high mt. Both of which are mitigated or nullified by Calamity Gate or and a simple tome forge.
>>736492815>Fe6 relay #1837472997447242>Lalum nigger picks Lalum againI just wanted us to use Elphin. Why won’t god do something about the subhuman gooner?
>>736506183The numbers chose the route this time
>>736505345
>>736506117>Huge stat penaltiesJust AVO which doesn't really matter.>not very accurateOh, you only use Bronze weapons I guess. >can't activate skillsThose are unreliable anyway. Also, the Bronze weapons you only use can't proc them anyway.
>>736502906>Well, shit like a Canter or +SPD inherit is all you can afford anywayI wish the "everything was too expensive before the well" meme would die. Outside of DPS skills most skills were cheap and most builds total cost would be around the same ballpark as canter + spd.imo people's obsession with those two skills and the misconception that skills were too expensive really hurt build exploration in early Engage days and honestly made people play worst.
>>736504861What happened to Lilina this run anyway?
>>736506391She got scrimblo'd to promotion then died to a bolting in 14x
>>736505145Trvke
>>736506391dead.
>>736506336>-20 avoid doesn't matter, but Horse Spirit is totally broken guiseCan you just admit you're full of shit instead of dying on this hill? You will get a LS user killed in a situation that a basic ass Fire or Thunder tome cruises through. It represents a *noticeable* decrease in survivability, it's huge. Taking 20 more accuracy to the face per attack is at least as bad of a reduction as 3 defense.
>>736506391Early promoted and sent into 14x boss' Bolting range
>>736505560Eh I never liked magic weapons for the reasons >>736506117 listed. Also they can't realistically be forged like lower grade tomes can, so there is much less mt disparity.
>>736506543I wouldn't rely on having to dodge to survive on enemy phase anyway. If I was that would be bad strategy. It's nice when it happens though.
>run is using both Rutger and Firi am honestly disgusted by this thread. You’re all horrible at this game. I wish I joined the relay earlier to rectify this.
>>736506543if I have 3 more defense I'm guaranteed to survive another hitif I have 20 more avoid I still might get hit and die, so I won't risk it
>>736506674If you're using tomes, you will get some dodges, it's just the way it is. Tomes absolutely wreck zerkers because the blind retards just straight miss them quite often. A LS is a free invitation to a big-dick fucking from said zerkers.
>>736506674When you're fighting like 10 enemies at once you are generally expecting to dodge some of the attacks since your avoid is likely pretty huge. Tanking your avoid sucks.
>>736506391larum mafia got her
>>736506391Spite killed by an autist.
>avoid doesn’t matterI’m glad someone else fucking understands why Diamant is good.
>>736506752I didn't say Tomes are useless after all, just not notably better. In some scenarios you'll prefer to use Horse Spirit over Levin Sword. Having just done a playthrough of Conquest, I didn't ever see much of a reason to use any other tomes. Maybe Calamity Gate but my Corrin wasn't even C tomes for a while.
>>736506848cope
>>736506741crits good
>>736506741no one cares how good you are at sniffing your own fartsplay a chapter or shut up
>>736506867yeah if you give him dex/str +5, dex/spd +5 and a dex boosting emblem he can almost hit 40% sol activation.
>>736506869And I'm telling you, they're notably better. You survived because you had Horse Spirit, not the Memein Sword. Everyone acknowledges HS is good, the point is that other tomes are also good and LS is worse than them.
>>736507039I carried around a Thunder +2. AVO mattering just never comes up. Levin Sword having way more MT did though.
>>736506741You have no idea how bad all our other heroes crest users really were. Meanwhile fir rolled an extra str on her hard mode bonuses and got like 3 more str levels on her join map
>cav nigger kills entire early game map with marcus>scrimblo nigger grabs next chapter and trains their favorite scrimblo>instead of using it next chapter cav nigger kills the scrimblo out of spite>scrimblo nigger kills some jeigan out of spite next chapterSo what is the point of relays? You guys fighting with each other sniping specific chapters to get the characters items you want or actually coping with the decisions made by multiple anons and working with what the run has? To be honest i would ban both of you faggots from these relays if I could. Nobody wants to play with either of you.
I'm going for S rank on FE6 normal.How strict is the EXP requirement (500 levels)? I know turns and funds are easy. Do I really need to be deploying Wendy and Barth to level them up?
Uhh risk avoider bros? Hector doesn't have perfect hit against the soldier. Is FE7 unbeatable?
>>736505864i'm probably fine but damn the anima tome situation was fucking dire when I checked our convoy. what are you cunts spending our money on
>>736507103It didn't come up because you had HS lol. If you want me to agree that LS has a niche, I can assent to that. It's a good priority target delete button. This does not mean it is a good general purpose weapon, and if the extra damage is not needed (as it often isn't), you want to treat it like the hot potato that it is.
>>736507139Gonzalez literally cannot be bad.
>>736507170Didn't ask lol
>>736507251Gonzalez was cheated to level 20 by having him dodge for 1500 turns so we refused to use him
>>736507235The original argument is that Horse Spirit is the only tome especially worth using. This is reinforcing that. Corrin rapes with the Levin Sword as soon as you can buy it.
>>736507170>none of what you said actually happenedlol
>>736507315And you know this how? Sounds like more power mongering. Gonzalez can be early promoted just fine as well
>>736507378Because the guy posted himself dodging a 0 hit attack for 1500 turns you schizophrenic retard?
>>736507170>Literally none of this happensmeds
>>736507346No it isn't, because there is ONE horse spirit to even go around in Conquest. Are you running literally one mage at a time? Your other mages need shit like Fire, Thunder, Mjolnir, Lightning, and do just fine with it in fact. The problem is that your thinking is black and white on the matter. You think something being worse than HS makes it bad, but everything is worse than HS.
>>736506878>doesnt deny itSad little lughfag
>>736507451That's actually an even better argument for Corrin sufficing with a Levin Sword. That said, I tend not to give most other mages Horse Spirit because they don't have the bulk to take advantage of it. Do you think I forged a Thunder +2 for no reason or something? Obviously other people got use out of it too, like my Nyx.
>>736507315Because we literally saw it. Omg just shut the fuck up. Why do people give opinions on things they didnt watch or participate in?
>>736507219never used igrene for that long; surprised she's faring relatively well right now. helps that she's the only person with a supply of 2 range for me right now lol
>>736507521Horse Spirit can make even Nyx into a tank, just shut up already, goddamn you're annoying me
>>736492815ROID
>>736507526Meant for>>736507378
>>736507581Nyx can be pretty tanky, but not because of Horse Spirit, mostly because of Shurikenbreaker.
>heals /vfeg/
>>736507219I forgot to buy books and lugh has been carrying this runalas
>>736507526NTA but why didn’t you just veto the run instead if it was an obvious griefer?
>>736508153We just didnt use gonzales at all after that chapter
>>736507714>dishonestfag
>>736508153vetos are gay and should only be used in the case of literally throwing the run
>>736508153Nobody would take it after a veto, suiciding him encourages further revenge killing, the best was done regarding the situation.
>>736508217I know I’m just saying why not veto the run instead and have someone else do it instead of banning a specific character?
>>736508347Because replaying chapters is boring
>>736508319I would have taken it. The way most in this thread handle vetos that are completely rational is idiotic and childish.
>>736506287Invincible is reddit, 4chan dog is 4chan.
>>736508406Then you could have taken the save and started posting your own run, but you didn't, so clearly you wouldn't have.
>>736507546beauty. at least we've got an armads user now
>>736508403>>736508347>>736508282So its just powertripping by whatever circlejerk is “running” the relay. Got it.
>>736508347Because it slows down the run and it is annoying getting someone else to replay the chapter if you aren't doing so yourself.
>>736507526Retard
>>736508470No cabal "banned" Gonzalez you schizo. Everyone decided to not use him. Anyone could have deployed him if they so pleased.
>>736508463I mean I wasn’t there. I’m just saying I would have. Knowing this thread its very likely I wouldn’t have been allowed to replay the chapter anyway, especially considering the cookie cutter squad I’m seeing here.
>>736508576There's no such thing as "being allowed". You can always take the save and post your own run and someone might continue it.
>>736508570>the relay is only fun when my certified goon squad is the one doing runs on it
>>736508707>there is no circle jerk i swear
>>736508576>the cookie cutter squad I’m seeing hereOh boy we really missed out on the extended goon sesh you would have subjected us to with your "unique comp" kek
>>736508467tfw no human genocide
This nigga is spamming his shit bait on cooldown
>>736508792So you don’t deny your intent after all.
>>736508470You're getting too close to the truththe meg council will visit you anon
>>736508791Really you're lucky, people tend to keep playing even when things they don't like happen, and you seem to be concerned about other people not liking how you're playing, so I'm assuring you it's fine.
>>736508829>CooldownLol he's switching passes
>>736508824>Good ending conditions metHere we go, bros
>>736508824oh no dragonbros, don't let Medeus see this
>>736508347As always, feg lacks the courage and character to do what is right and kill the gooned
>>736508824>didn't even need armadswe're probably parking percival and roy at the front considering nothing else has useswe have like one hammerne left right?
>>736508883A run where meg or fiona is used would unironically be fun. But I betcha the faggot circlejerk will seethe about it no matter what and will not allow it
>>736508824>final chapter of the game only had 10 screenshots in 2 and a half hours>half of them were stat screensIm just saying, we literally dont know what his plan was, what he did, if he was cheating by lack of context, etc.
>>736509057>read: wouldn't it be really fun to boss abuse Meg and Fiona to level 20 on their join maps?
>>736509057>But I betcha the faggot circlejerk will seethe about it no matter what and will not allow itIf your method of achieving this is spamming end turn as a bow user shoots from a below ledge with 0 hit, yeah
>>736509057The relay would have to make it past the Fiona chapter to begin with unlike the last 3 attempts, or play on Normal I guess
Please god stop taking the bait and replying to concern trolls
>>736509179No.
>>736509156>>736509142You will seethe like the faggot bitch that you are and veto if bexp is fed to either of them instead of jill. Faggot
>take a look at Sommie's twitter>he's praising Allah
The chapters where some autist takes 3+ hours gooning his waifu to level 20 are objectively the gayest and most boring part of the relays and your seething contrarianism is never going to change that
I would use Gonzalez to be contrarian, I'm just not in the mood to play FE.
>>736509057Sorry we didnt use your gooned unit and exercised free will. Better luck next time
>>736509265>/v/ too lazy to even be contrarianYou old fuck.
>>736509232better start a relay and put up or shut up after FE6 finishes
>relay>encourages anon who take the chapter to play however they want as long as they post screenshots>but its not allowed period to abuse any grinding strats that will take many turns as decided by the council managing the relay>also I will veto or kill your shitty scrimblo if you attempt to raise them legit instead of warpskipping the jeiganTruly relays are so much fun!
>>736509323RD is a doomed fucking relay for so many reasons
Goonerbros are the only happy anons in these threads
His bait isnt even good. Lets just finish the relay while we have momentum>>736508824Post the save
>>736508824gl on whoever's doing ch 23. what's with all of the sperging about the run? only joined in just now so i only vaguely know what happenedhttps://files.catbox.moe/74oito.gbahttps://files.catbox.moe/qaoy49.sav>>736509118the most degenerate thing i did was go out of my way to rise perceval's axe rank from mid B to S in one chapter, and that wasn't even too bad to pull off. i'd give more frequent updates if the captchas weren't hot ass
>>736509412As an LTCfag, I only have a great time in these threads, a lot of mirth and merriment. I don't really have the same level of attachment to the units a scrimblofag might.
>>736509353the real fun of a relay is that no matter what happens, even if it's literally nothing, some retard will get actually mindraped about it for multiple years
>>736509452well I guess we could do the dragon temple pretty safely if we can get Niime and Yodel to S too, that's 60 uses of a divine weapon
>>736509452Lmao so its allowed to grind as long as its the efficiencyfag certified unitHow much do you wanna bet this relay is being passed by the same 4-5 niggerd
>>736509452Whenever a relay is close to finishing, waifukeks have to try and derail or * it. Same thing happened to sacred stones, barely any controversy until the finish line
>>736509452there's not really any sperging it's just one person throwing out shit bait and people biting because they're bored. Indeed we could have used more screenshots of your process.
The sissy autist slapfights and drama are the only reason relays are worth the effort. I wouldnt change a thing about them tbqhwyf
>>736509481True. I still get a grin on my face when someone brings up things I did over a year ago that clearly gave them an aneurysm for some unexplicable reason.
>>736509452I get it, the captcha is super ass until you have done it enough times.
>>736509581What did you do anon? WHAT DID YOU DO!
I don't even know who's the new gooner.
is it time to post dragons yet?
>>736509581Damn, you must be a shit player. You probably deserve it. Nothing I've done is ever memorable, and I like it that way.
>>736509581What did you do? Is it mentioned on the thread? God anon you’re so cool I wanna be like you when I grow up a couple of years.
>>736509353I don't agree with vetos or intentionally killing off units, but yes, grinding is the gayest thing. Going in the arena is fine, but spam ending turn for hundreds of turns isn't fun to watch or participate in.
>>736509763I've not gotten anyone important killed if that's what you're implying
>>736509452>https://files.catbox.moe/qaoy49.savThis... gives me the Zephiel chapter.
>>736509830Niggas don't understand grinding is antithetical to the spirit of challenge conditions like ironman.
>>736509452>>736509885>he did it again
>>736509731War dragons... is bad.
>>736509581Were you the guy that got Vanessa killed by putting her in ballista range and then raged about it when everyone called you retarded? I hope that guy is still around, he got so mad lol
>>736509885>>736510024GBA saves are idiot-proof wtf
>>736510024w-well maybe he just posted the one he dowloaded and put into a separate folder or he uploaded it before saving the game haha
>>736509909Like I said, arena grinding is fine because there's a risk involved. That's a fair tradeoff in an Ironman, and even if you quit out of arena you still had to pay to go in.
>>736509885kmshttps://files.catbox.moe/cyqqge.sa1this should work
>>736509172we were playing on normal.
>>736510095I implicitly distrust arena grinders. Like that guy who sent Roy into the arena and he won with 5 hp. You just know if Roy died he'd have undone that.
>>736510095Arena grinding is the most suspect grinding there is. Its just savestate bait. I would ban them or require streaming if it was enforceable
>>736510191This is why we need HONEST MODE back
>>736510095I'll only accept arena grinding if you don't slow down at all to do it. Technically that's not even grinding, so.
war IS bad, though
Woah woah WOAH we are really close to the end of the playthrough. I hope we have all learned our lessons about the harsh reality of war and the bonds with out units that define us and allow us to succeed. I dont want to play gba or romhack crap so we need to decide on the next game to relay
>>736510416It'll be whatever game somebody actually starts playing instead of asking everyone else to do it.
>>736510367A little war is alright though. Just a bit.
>>736510191>>736510278anonymous streaming would be cool though I don't know how it'd work
>>736510416Should be a Kaga game. GBA is old and busted, Smellius no fun, DSFE has no charisma, 3DSFE is too autistic/cursed to failure. Kaga FE has the soul while being approachable enough.
>>736510538we could just upload videos like we used to do in the previous relay, unless people only trust streaming
>>736510538throwaway youtube accounts to which we post the password toYes some faggot could take it and grief by changing the passsword. so could they to the rom
I mean you guys just keep proving that no grinding is allowed at all in these runs. How am I supposed to trust a run where I know someone will seethe if you bexp any unit besides Nolan and Jill in the DB chapters.
THRACIA RELAY RIGHT FUCKING NOW WHO WITH ME RAISE YOUR HAND
>>736510416Genealogy, switch off every castle
Third fastest moving thread on the board. Didn't realize Fire Emblem was this popular, did something happen?
>>736510597Nobody wants to watch some long-ass video after the fact. It's not about trust. It's about entertainment.
>>736510538>dude just watch my 3 hour masturbation stream of a 25 year old video game No>>736510565I wont play a kaga shit
>>736510565I mentioned it before but it should be andaron saga. No one has encyclopedic knowledge of it to backseat hard. Its relatively unknown so there's no scrimbloing it. It's a well made hack so people would be fire emblem engaged by it
>>736510671Anons are playing one chapter of FE, posting the save file, and another anon picks it up. No resetting allowed, and if a Game Over condition is met, then the run is over.
>>736510659Yes, people lose interest if you grind. No, that doesn't mean it's not allowed. It just means no one wants to play with you if you do it.
>>736510671Relay ongoing + autistic arguing about shit nobody cares about = billion posts per minute
>>736510565>FE2 is horrible for relays because the maps are too short.>FE4 is horrible for relays because the maps are too long.
>>736510752Don't have too much >fun now, else jannies will try and take it away.
>>736510671We are very close to finishing a fire emblme the binding blade relay. Would you like to play?>>736510130save ^ and rom > https://files.catbox.moe/74oito.gba
>>736510802Haha...
>>736510725>No one has encyclopedic knowledge of it to backseat hard.i do and i will lilinette blast chapter 7 and i will intentionally throw the run if the early staves are mishandled
>>736510659Except degenerate cheating like gonzales there has been literally nothing that happened that was not accepted. Zero vetoes, Zero revenge kills, and if there were revenge kills we just played through them without caring. This narrative of no fun allowed is so out of touch, its like carried over conquest hysteria from 12+ months ago
>>736506741>>736508576We trained Fir (bad unit) and this is bad because it makes our team too cookie cutter?
>>736510937no u dont u donut
>>736510828>Myrienthaha...
>>736510661I'll always play FE5 but we technically did beat it twice. It's honestly kinda easy but it could be fun if we had more people doing it, but I doubt it can hold these fags' attention like a GBA game can.
I'm fine with grinding personally, as long as it's not degen tier, such as bringing someone to 20 in a single map by arena spamming, boss abusing or Merlinus style grinding. In fact, naturally feeding to non metafag units is what keeps runs entertaining.
>>736510764>bexp is grinding???Either way thats not the sentiment I am getting from other posters who say arena grinding or feeding should be fine. Feels like you’re just trying to bait.If grinding is bad then why are you okay with Lugh and Fir?
>>736510416Everyone is just waiting for fates salty runback again, idk why we are pretending any other run matters.
>>736510597>like we used to do in the previous relay,like one guy used to do and demand everyone else do the same.
>>736511031This is true but most scrimblofags don't know how to feed units other than spamming end turn 1000 times on a fort
>>736511031>Merlinus style grindingWhat do you mean with this? I thought he levels automatically each chapter anyway.
>>736511048>If grinding is bad then why are you okay with Lugh and Fir?I'm not okay with a lot of things in this run, anon. You can't just assume I am.
>>736510978you can get both lilinette and someone else to level 20 in time for chapter 7 even in an all secret objectives run because of how staff exp works in andaron saga though
>>736511059This, we're just stomping baby ass FE6 again to build /v/'s confidence again. Some games with bite to them would be nice.
>>736510671We're in our gregarious relay phase after leaving our hibernating-necrotic gamewars-goon-doom phase, like a water bear adapting to its environmental conditions. Something will happen to disrupt it soon though. Might just die with FE6 tbqh.
>dude just get all the units like 10 levels ahead of the curve so they gain no EXP anymore, nothing is a threat to them, and its entirely unsatisfying to play with them!!Honestly thats my biggest gripe with grindfagging in the GBA games. I dont care about the long play times as much>>736511059Uh anon, we beat birthright.
>>736511092It's funny when someone does feed a character like 8 levels in one chapter and nobody even notices because they did it quickly and efficiently.
>>736511139>stompingwe're entering endgame with only armads and the sword of seals not about to break in half
>>736509452Good job clearing the chapternext time try to provide a few more screenshots and explanations so we can follow alongWhat was your strategy for the chapter? Did you move two groups through the map or did you leave one at the start area? What turn did you open the door? Did you clear out the reinforcements that come from the spawn points or go straight to zephiel?
>>736511219Psh, we just beat the hardest chapter, nothing could go wrong from here.
>>736511108FE6 Merlinus can only be leveled by dodging attacks over and over for 1 exp. Usually, Merlinus style grinding is hyperbole for spending too much time in a chapter abusing certain enemies for crumbs of exp, but we had someone quite literally grind up Gonzo to 20 by having him dodge a brigand for 1500 turns.
>>736511219We can just sell the member card and promo items to buy some tomes for lugh and having him kill all the dragons. uh... not me though... i-i'm busy haha... war is bad
>>736511313I get why the guy is upset, even with speed up that'd take a lot of mashing end turn.
>>736509476>LTCfag>on /v/Post your lowest turncount
>>736511219The post Zephiel chapters are just a victory lap where you no longer care about breakimg your legendary weapons. We've basically won already unless someone purposefully tries to get Roy killed.
>>736511059But FE7 is the actual nemesis of these relays and the one game that will never be completed without an asterisk
>>736511384I'm an LTCfag in the traditional sense, which is to say I've never played it and I only express opinions garnered from LTCfags that I've watched on Youtube.
>>736511186I've said this before but this is why taking lategame chapters in these relays always just suckseveryone grinds too much, there's no danger to anything, nothing to build for either since it was all done earlier by a guy taking 50+ turns per map
>>736511391>And no, people claiming they savestated after the fact doesnt cancel the win
>>736511389isn't the final chapter all fuck you in the ass mamuketes that need a legendary to kill? or at least a wyrm weapon
>>736511514We have to beat brunya first
>>736511453>no danger to anythingI think we don't have weapons aside from irons
>>736511219What about Aureola and Apocalypse?
>>736511571Good thing we're all ironGODS who hoard anything more valuable than a vulnerary anyways.
>>736511585I dont think niime starts with S in dark and>light magicelmao
I guess I will pick this up as my first chapter of this relay.We need to restock badly, how is our money? Can Lugh get his fire tomes on turn 1?My general plan is to scrimblo Niime and Yoder (read: give each of them 50 weapon exp so we have actual divine weapon users for the finale). Idk how that's going to work with all the wyverns though.
>>736507172of all the ranks the exp rank is the strictestyou should be waiting for reinforcements to appeal just so you can feed kills to low level units like wendy
>>736511585>we have to goon freaking niime now for apocalypse rankI'll get the lube...
>>736511514The before last chapter is dragon spam, and the last is Idunn. The Binding Blade should be enough for the dragons that are essential to kill, but we still have several Legendary weapons in stock like Armads anyways. Hell, if somehow everything goes wrong, we can use Yodel and Niime until they get S rank tomes for Aureola and Apocalypse to carry us.
Who uses the Areola tome?
Can we have a war is good thread next?
This would be the squad plus Lance; I have one more slot. Not sure between Elen and Merlinus. Astolfo could steal some shit but idk how badly we need that.
>>736511628>>We need to restock badly, how is our money? Can Lugh get his fire tomes on turn 1?we're fucking broke. I think I saw 162G last time. if you get any money it will be from selling shitgood luck
>>736511767this chick fell off 20 chapters ago.
A Thracia 776 run would separate the artists from the chuds.
>>736511730No one. We have had 0 light magic uses the entire run because ellen was complete ass, no one trained saul.
>>736511821Right we should be deploying Tate. Where is she btw?
>>736511767Do our undeployed units have weapons in their inventories?
>>736511628If you still have a Hammerne, you could also be pretty agressive with the Binding Blade and fix it up afterwards.>>736511821>Thany le fell offAnd yet she still is getting deployed every map. Almost as if she didn't fall off at all
>>736511840Yodel is right fucking there!
>>736511773well then it's a good thing we have stuff to sell and the silver card. I guess Merlinus it is. We mostly need thrash weapons and some aircaliburs, we have a few strong weapons to go through yet.
>>736511840I was making a shitty joke. The answer is Orochi or the evil big titty kingdom bitch from 3H something
>>736511891>yodel
>>736497857You're entirely correct, but I still think the framework itself, the skeleton, always end up similarly shaped.Maybe that's not necessarily bad and my bias is getting in the way. After all, you just mentioned Gundam succeeding. However, I'm reminded of the dicussion around Superman stories. You can absolutely make a good Superman story where he's still just Superman, with no turning evil or becoming more willing to kill or any of that stuff. A handful of those exist. But Superman, as a character, as the themes he embodies, is such a rigid idea, in part due to his power and moral code, that there's only so many times you can explore him before it starts getting samey.War and racism feel the same way to me. Yes, focusing on how war and discrimination affect people on a micro scale is fathoms more interesting than on a macro scale. You're seeing individual lives shaped by them in the long term, all in different ways and with different emotional and psychological responses. However, if those issues are the main backdrop, the driving point of the whole setting, rather than at most a side dish reserved for specific characters, I find that you inevitably have to reach the same "war blows and racism ain't cool" message. It is a true message, but also self-evident, and it being the final takeaway feels... not really trite, but lame since it's a foregone conclusion.
>>736511237>next time try to provide a few more screenshots and explanations so we can follow alongmy bad, it's been awhile since i hard committed to a relay run>strategyhad both groups go for the switch closest to them at first. afterwards, the left group converged to join the right one via the topmost path then cautiously picked off the enemies leading up to + close to the door leading to zephiel's throne, while trying to feed as many kills to axe using perceval as cautiously as possible.>What turn did you open the door?after turn 46; can't recall exactly when it was opened. sometime in the mid 50's at least>Did you clear out the reinforcementsyup. baited the druids with igrene, then used miledy, zealot and perceval to clear out the restshould also mention that a thief nabbed the nos and white gem chest before i could get astore over to them
The broke boy arc of this run has been the funniest thign
>>736511927bring merlinus and sell those schlock picks
I could instead bring Fa to bait staves and tomes, but then Elen is also good at that
Chapter themehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gCEB2411es
>>736511927>rom switching at the finish line
>>736512042>>736511993and so is Yodel with 30 res, so I guess we're going with Merlinus
>>736512053that's what I called the rom because somebody fucked with the rom to make the supports infinite, that's all I remember from the history of this runbtw our supports situation is not great besides christmas knight A support
>>736511838FE5 is pretty easy and has been beaten multiple timesThe problem with hard games (FE12 lunatic) is that a single bad player picking up the run is a game over. So either three elitists pass the run in a circle or we don't beat it.
>>736512150>neverending grinding>still no one worked on supports
>>736512150one anon fucked with the supports on his romthe thread said nosomeone else played the chapter on the old rom
>>736512235FE6 supports are a pain in the ass and some were lost to death like Lilina. The Christmas cavs are the only ones who can easily get their support in every run.
>>736512235We are waiting for the Rutger x Karel support.
>>736512235I don't consider supports grinding. A real grind takes over an hour, you can do supports in like 2 minutes.
>>736511941I would say, then, that "war is bad" is a terrible message to convey through a work. Rather than the message, "war is bad, racism sucks" has to be a natural conclusion the viewer comes to. If you let the viewer reach that point by themselves by simply exploring consequences of war through character works, it will feel less like an obvious moralizing work which is lame.
>>736512235fe6 supports take a century just for one rank, and i already don't care about gba supports unless it's something fairly quick like eli x hector C and B
>>736503575>ShannaPeople are too busy harping about muh con to realize that she's comparable to Lance early on with an Iron Lance.>CliveNo. He's one level away from promotion and joins at the same time as Python/the other dude who need more effort. If you promote him and give him one of the speed fountain uses, he does extremely well. If you want to talk about units that people dump literally everything into, look at Leon.
>>736512452War is bad is all Pluto is about really and it's fine. War is bad.
>>736512457Support grinding factually takes less time to do than actually playing the game. I think people have just been rushed by gaiden requirements or trying to skip chapters like the apocalypse gaiden
Preps done. I'll go poop, make some tea, Throw some coal into the stove, and then we begin a cozy chapter 23.
>>736512576Don't forget to support Yodel and Niime together while you grind their wexp
>>736512576>62 hour playtime
>>736512710That doesn't mean anything, I exclusively play in 2x speed and go up higher frequently.1
>>736512770>I exclusively play in 2x speedI can't do this because I fuck up menus
IS should let Matsuno spearhead a Fire Emblem>false flag attacks in my FE
>>736512770Plus, you can always pause the emulator so that the ingame timer doesn't run.
>>736512881You can set it up so it's always running in 2x speed and you get used to it.
>>736512886Matsuno is a fucking hack that doesn't understand his own works. He peaked at FFT
>>736512710i usually fast forward boring enemy phases or safe player phases; times on an emulator vary by a bit. gonzalez dodgegrinder definitely contributed to a few hours of that total though lol
>>736512886matsuno already got filtered by FE 30 years ago
>>736512986I've always preferred Ogre Battle.
>>736513121fair
>>736513108Matsuno would be a scrimblo gooner to be able to beat the games
>>736512942But sometimes you just wanna hear that wonderful GBA soundfont music
>>736513202Anon, we're playing FE6. This game has the same map theme for like 75% of it. I can just fucking hear it in my head thinking about it.
>>736506362No well runs finish between 2 to 2.5k on average. If you want a build that actually functions for most of the game 1.5k is what we're looking at which basically throws out shit like Hold Out memes.
>>736513245Yeah, every expensive inherit usually still ends up with stat inherit filler anyway because you can't afford anything else.
>Gonzales dodgegrinder brought him to 20 despite being told by people not to do that>Tells people not to use him if it bothers them>Nobody doesKek, the retard might as well have killed Gonzales.
We are on.This map is less cancerous than I rememeber, the only siege magic / status staves are near Brunya. it'd be nice to have Miledy clear out the ballistas quick, but I forgot the wyverns on this map all have capped strength, so she might not be able to just go right away.
>>736513465>That dialogueKek, even the game treats these chapters as a victory lap
>>736513227Di, didi, DI diririDI dudi
>killer ballista exactly overlays fire tomes shopdelightfully devilish IS
>>736513558DOOOOOO DA DOOOOOOOO, DOOOOO DA DA DOOOOOOO DA DOOOOOOO DA DOOOOOOFuck.
>>736513465>Jahn
>>736513176Nah, Matsuno is a prepromote guy. Units like Orlandeau and Agrias are basically the same as the OP prepromotes of FE6.
>>736513739The closest to Matsuno design is FE4, I think.
Matsuno would love Engage with how almost all of the early units are left in the shitter
>>736513739TG Cid is like PercivalAgrias isn't that busted, she's more like KleinCanopus is Seth
>>736513894Hey, F man, V guy and one other I remember bringing to the end because they had the best +RT of all available options.
>>736513894>bringing up engageThe browns who spam are asleep. No need to speak this evil on us
on the first round I put both Lance AND Alen into the range of horseslayer wyvern lord, splendid gameplay as always. We should be fine now.
matsuno would at least have the sense to make kagetsu someone likable and pleasing to look at like ozma instead of a gay homo that noone likes
it beginsman I wish different weapons gave different weapon xp in this game
>>736514097>Ozma>likableHuh?
>>736514154don't bother grinding light rank, he's not getting deployed next chapter
THIS FUCING PLACE DOESN'T SELL FUCKING FIRE TOMES IT'S THE ONE UP TOP AAAAA
>>736514190are you confused because she's evil, or because she doesn't have much dialogue
>>736514450The evil part.
THREAD DOOOOOOKOOOOOO
>>736509452>what's with all of the sperging about the run?A few threads ago we determined that a lot of the worst shitposters in these threads are brown when they were unable to post white hands (relayaryans were able to post multiple without issue). It's just in their nature to try and tear down something their betters made however possible. And when they realize they can't actually do anything on their own, that usually manifests as crying and trying to convince white people to side with them by undermining legitimacy. I wouldn't worry about it.
>>736512886This has to be one of the stupidest posts Ive seen on an FE thread>>736514097What does any of that have to do with gameplay?
>>736514813You actually got several people temp banned for replying to you, fat fuck. You're more of a destabilizing force than any "browns."
>>736514859Brown
oh this shitter had a javelin which oneshots merlinus in this gamehe had the silver card and some of the javelins/hand axes, but I have bought quite a lot, so we should be fine on that front at least
>>736514935nat forgot the screenshot again
>>736514935picbesides that I made two mistakes, but they worked out fine. These wyverns hit hard.
>>736514813Shut the fuck up with this tired /vpol/ bait. This shit never happened when normal FE threads weren't infested with relayfags
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