>uhm game is about le cancer killing a childHOLY SHIT SO DEEP I AM GETTING AN ERECTION OVER THIS PRETENTIOUS MASTER PIECE AHGHGHGHHGH IM CUMMMMMINNNGGGG HAAAAAAAAA
OFF was an interesting game.
>>736497861More like a game of a murderous angel with a baseball bat
>>736497861I like more the fan game where you play as the judge and the other cats.
>>736497861it's actually about baseball man purifying hell and turning it into something habitable
>>736497861I have come to the conclusion that OFF was never really that good and is by far the weakest out of the famous RPG Maker 2003 classicsIt peaks at Zone 110/10 soundtrack, though
Jack OFF
>>736497861That's Jimmy and the Pulsating Mass, not OFF.
>>736499775Yeah, the soundtrack carries the game. The music isn't even original though, so it shouldn't even get praised for it either. Pretty basic RPG maker game.
>>736497861>Game's name is OFF>Kid has cancer, dreams of a world to escape his shitty life>Dreams of Batter>Batter's holy quest is to end everything>At the end when Batter has purified everything, he flips off a switch to end it>Game's name is OFFTrue kino, if cancer is the only thing you got out of it you are an impure spirit meant for purification.
>>736497861sad that games can't just be about random worlds with their own magic rules anymore, everything's gotta be an allegory for an illness now, mental or physicalno fun allowed I guesshope toby fox doesn't take TOO much inspiration from this for his game
>>736500486>hope toby fox doesn't take TOO much inspiration from this for his gameOh don't worry, Deltarune is all about Toby telling the audience to go outside and leave him alone (he did this for Undertale but he's doing it again)
>>736500486>anymoreBrother off is like 15+ years old
>>736501275just shows how long this has been going on for, and it has only gotten worse since then
>>736501327The thing has gotten worse is the education system since its failed you hard retard.Go play more nintendo games if you want nothing of substance
>>736501452>he calls allegories for cancer/depression "substance"lmaoI have pretentiousness fatigue
>>736497861I used to think that OFF was just pretentious absurdist frenchfaggotry (dude, what if the air was smoke and water was meat?? crazy!!) but after replaying the remake I actually came to respect it a whole lot more. It's a very unique game with a very unique tone and atmosphere, even today.People think it's about a father killing his terminal ill child but that's too literal of an interpretation, I think it's supposed to be a message about how when we grow up into adults, we begin to scrutinize our blissfully naive childhood ideals and poke holes in our conceptions of how the world works, more and more until eventually the kid inside us dies and we become very bland people.
>>736497861It was never about killing a kid with cancer. Hugo is a demiurge that was suffering and ruined by the queen which in turn soured and ruined the rulers of the other zones making everything go to shit. Essentially Hugo subconsciously created batter to end everything because the queen made everything go to shit.
>>736497861It's actually about Space Apes.
>>736502574>we begin to scrutinize our blissfully naive childhood ideals and poke holes in our conceptions of how the world works, more and more until eventually the kid inside us dies and we become very bland people.I like this reading of the characters, but it doesn't work when you consider how the Guardians all were all very much not bland in their personalities after losing sight of their original, naive ideals. Forgetting Hugo is just a parallel to how they forgot what they were building towards, and that led them to becoming tired, bitter, and egotistical. Even The Judge mentioned that he had carved out a cellar for him to hide away in and forget the world, but ironically Batter made him remember what his own ideals were, ironic given how Batter was only created to end it all.
>>736500486Isn't that ENA game just no-strings-attached weirdness
>>736500486>everything's gotta be an allegoryOFF is not an allegory, people are just retarded theorists who took the intentionally mind-bending final area as proof that the story is a puzzle that needs to be solved. They couldn't accept the idea that a french artist made a weird world for the sake of it being a weird world, and did a basic subversive concept of secretly playing as the villain the whole time. The dev cites Killer7 as his inspiration, but all the fags on tumblr never played that. They were all "I'm 13 and this is deep" kids who thought they stumbled on high art.
>>736498319HOME was too much fanfiction. All fan games are, but that one especially felt like wish fulfilment. It's a shame it's basically the best fan game the community is going to make.
>>736497861Shadow will RAPE and GAPE him in M/v/P btw
>>736506664New DF is the best OFF fangame though even with the second zone being a thing
>>736498319You mean Home?All i know about it is that its creator was featured in Oneshot credits>>736505649>The dev cites Killer7 as his inspirationDidn't Mortis Ghost also said he was inspired by Silent Hill too?
>>736507505New DF's download page is deleted, but yeah that's a solid pick too. Gazmel being what he is also doesn't serve the game well, but from what I understand New DF is a heavily cut down version of previous versions of the game. I can only assume the dev was trying to pace the game out better, realized the story was unsalvagable, and just focused purely on the vibes, which I can respect but it only leads to me thinking less about the story, and more about it as an RPG with hype moments.
>>736507763SH2 was one of his cited inspirations yeah, though I'm led to believe he found the atmosphere more inspiring than the story itself. I've watched his streams for OFF's anniversaries and he's admitted plenty of times that he just wrote the story on the fly, and that he'd make the game completely different if he attempted it today. I don't think he ever intended for people to read into it as an allegory for anything.
>>736500084JATPM is the better game for that anyhow. I never got the impression that OFF had any greater meaning like all of the theories suggest, or rather that I never saw a theory that made any sense to me. I assumed that it was just a weird surrealist game that loosely followed the concepts of criticizing capitalism and how most RPG games are "good guy kill bad guy and save the world" but more bleak and open-ended.>>736505327ENA seemingly has these tidbits sparsely scattered throughout the worldbuilding that could hint that there's something going on but as far as we as an audience are able to discern from what's been given to us through both the game and the animations so far, it may as well just be nonsensical weird shit with cool visuals.
>>736505649>>736499775 here, can confirm I was 13 and I thought it was deep
>>736508385I'm pretty sure it's still on itch.io
>>736509117It's not public anymore, and you need this specific link to access ithttps://ivynivek.itch.io/is-a-fangame-based-on-mortis-ghosts-surreal-indie-rpg-off-with-a-heavy-focus?secret=jB51KuMSbvaZEMx49DALoFqN0I found it on a youtube video of a guy reviewing it who ended the video with being morally outraged at a character going "uoh"
>>736509383Oh I saw that review and frowned
>>736509383 lmao I know exactly which video you mean. Dude spent 20 minutes pretending to do media analysis and then completely derailed because a character said “uoh” like it personally assaulted him.It’s wild how these people can stomach abstract murder zones made of meat and smoke but draw the line at one mildly gooner-ish line. New DF already wears its shitpost energy on its sleeve, getting “morally outraged” over it just screams “I desperately need to let everyone know I’m above this.”Secret link being passed around like contraband just makes it funnier. OFF fangames are already niche as hell and we’ve got hall monitors patrolling vibes instead of just not playing it.
>>736512584>“I desperately need to let everyone know"isn't that the same kind of signaling "uoh" does
>>736502574Does it help the remake kind of sucked?
>>736497861OFF isn't about a cancer patient. It's a literal story about a magic kid who's sick and wants to die. There is a connection to euthanasia very broadly, it's an important theme.But there's also religious themes, commentary on player-culpability in video games, and even some smaller themes of social commentary on the labor market and environmentalism.It's a nuanced piece of art which doesn't narrowly define itself. It doesn't define itself at all really, it's supposed to be very up for interpretation.
>>736499775>It peaks at Zone 1What the fuck are you talking about? Zone 1 is easily the worst out of the 4 main levels (Zones 1-3 + The Room)Zone 2 has way better music, puzzles, and atmosphere. And Zone 3 is like a full on horror game. And the Room is fun and trippy.
>>736500486>hope toby fox doesn't take TOO much inspiration from this for his gameI doubt it, for one he seems to have really not taken inspiration from the translation policy. Mortis Ghost, despite having made a much more nuanced and artful game than Toby's offering, has made his game available in just about as many languages as he possibly could.Plus if any Toby game took inspiration from OFF, it was Undertale. Undertale's frequent atmospheric exploration, focus on the theme of player moral responsibility, as well as more surface level odds and ends like Papyrus's design or the 'meat factory' song from the Gaster's Theme Easter egg, all show it.
>>736505327Yeah. It's self-contained surrealism that scratches an itch that I didn't even know I had.
"this work has themes and allegories" doesn't mean "there is a secret second story you have to decode" OFF has themes of euthanasia and child abuse and addiction and a whole lot of other shit. That's very obvious if you bother to play the goddamn game. There isn't a "deeper meaning" it's just a meaning in the normal story.
>>736503212The comic Mortis made for the pre-order edition "OF" shows that I think the world of OFF should be taken more literally.Not to say it can't thematically have a lot to do with euthanasia or terminal illness, but that the world of the game isn't a dream or a literal allegory."OF" shows the Queen forbidding Enoch from bringing Hugo some cake for his birthday, and the Judge completely forgetting who Hugo is in his rush to rebuild the world.Hm, maybe that's another theme. When people get so focused on ideals and broad notions of the future that they forget the humanity of the world and the people who rely on them.
>>736507763>Didn't Mortis Ghost also said he was inspired by Silent Hill too?Yeah Mortis really just put a bunch of shit he liked into the gameThe whole 'Endless Hallway' section of Zone 3 is directly a Silent Hill homage. Down to using a remix of a silent hill track for the battle theme.
>>736513487The Remake was fucked the moment Alias Conrad Coldwood didn't sign on for it.Everything else is a moderate improvement. The new bosses are really fun, I like the revamped UI. The combat is mostly better. Once you turn it on the fastest pace, anyway.If you mod back in the OG soundtrack the new version is a superior way to play
>>736497861Is that true? You were playing as a white blood cell?
>>736515268I liked the polite long-winded explanation conrad gave for not being on board that was basically just "jews"
>>736515687I wonder if FanGamer is really that shady or if ACC is just paranoid as shit
I actually like the new OST and think it's a good "two cakes!" situation.
>>736514965The people who think themes are a secret second story they have to decode think their preferred type of stories don't have "hidden" themes and either show very literally what they are about or don't have themes at all. The idea that there are themes to interpret at all is offensive to these types.
I don't like the new UI and think the expanded combat is actually worse than the original
>>736497861>uhm game is about le cancer killing a childit was about a child giving power to 3 retards that created and ruined their worlds, and to solve it he created an even bigger retard to kill them all, and also kill him.The world was fine until the queen decided to infest them all with ghosts.
>>736516402The new combat needs to be on the fastest, non-stop mode to be an improvement.Because the one good bit about the combat of the original freeware game was that it was hectic and felt thematically appropriate because of that.It being made turn-based actually just makes it more brain dead
>>736515268I kind of fucking hate the new artwork
>>736514779Do people really look at generic clipart, random 3d models, badly photoshopped photos, plastered on top of a shitty background full of color banding and dithering while horribly larping as a windows 95 application and pretend it's good? Sincerely, not in the irony-drenched manner of pretending to like the most vile diarrhea dump possible while posting a gigachad jpeg to signal you're being le heckin based.
>>736516990Yeah the sketchy style of Mortis in 2008 is a lot more interesting than his bulbous and cutesy style he has these days
>>736517049Yes. Yes I do.
>>736516990Agreed. His new style is a massive downgrade and has dissuaded me from buying merch
>>736497861This game was praised heavily nufag
>>736520182It's a Tumblr game, newerfag.
>>736514716>Plus if any Toby game took inspiration from OFF, it was Undertale.You're forgetting that Deltarune dark worlds are very similar to OFF's zones. They're separate worlds, the chapters main antagonists being the dark world's guardians (King, Queen, Tenna), and how your job is to shut down the fountain, which would retroactively shut off the dark world and their inhabitants, similar to OFF zonesThe big difference is that dark worlds doesn't have disgusting creatures roaming around like OFF do after you seal the fountains, and how the dark world inhabitants can find somewhere else to live>>736516068>I wonder if FanGamer is really that shadyIf they were, many indie devs wouldn't have struck a deal with them>if ACC is just paranoid as shitI think the issue is that ACC wants the soundtrack to be free and easily usable by other people, but doesn't want it to be commercialized and have people deal with bullshit copyright issues like UT/DR soundtrack doThat's my best guess
Mortis released "prequel" comics for supper consumer edition of remake. I will just dump it here
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>>736520256>It's a Tumblr game, newerfag.Anon in order for a game to be considered a tumblr game it has to have gay stuff in itOFF doesn't have any gay crap in it.
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>>736522078Excellent of you. I'm glad I have it physically, though- the Batter bobblehead is HEFTY.
>>736522418And that's all
>>736522325The Onceler sends his regards.
>>736522480>The Onceler sends his regards.Wth does lorax has to do with OFF ?
>>736497861>getting an erection over killing a child
>>736522460I don't get it
>>736497861If you're a metaphorfag sure. I prefer a literal interpretation here.
>>736523004Hugo is terminally sick and Queen erased any mention of him to the point people don't remember he existed so people wouldn't be sad about his condition.
>>736522547Holy fuck you're a retard. Never speak to me again.
All the graphs and the talk about the elements really sucked me in.
>>736522480>>736523256I'm seconding this. What the fuck does the Lorax have to do with OFF?
>>736524192The claim was that "tumblr = MUST be gay", I gave an example that RAPES and GAPES said claim.I didn't say it was related, you intentionally misinterpreted it in a retarded way.
>>736497861Didn't the game show that the Batter is a fictionally comic strip character and that Hugo created him the moment (You) pressed the new game button?
>>736497861kill as many monsters as you can before you wake up
>>736520256So were Danganronpa and Undertale, and both of them are pretty good
>>736524912VNs aren't games and Alphys is fucking annoying.
>>736522078This comic alone made me buy the consoomer edition.I love comic books and I love OFF
>>736522547Tumblr sometimes adopts random media. There was/is this whole concept of the "Tumblr sexyman" just some random fictional character Tumblr decided to latch on to.The Onceler from the CGI remake of the Lorax was one of these characters.OFF itself took off because of Tumblr. Even though OFF came out in 2008, it was incredibly obscure until the Tumblr 'Homestuck' fandom started looking for new media to autistically obsess over during a hiatus of that webcomic. They found OFF by happen stance and for the early 2010s OFF was one of the biggest games on Tumblr, having more 'blogs' tagged with it than even the Legend of Zelda.That same Tumblr Homestuck fandom would also start to follow an translated AAR of the original Danganronpa around the same time, which was the reason why the whole Danganronpa series was translated into English.
>>736523004It's showing how the world of OFF forgot about Hugo, and how the Queen was directly responsible for that. It's developing her character even without her showing up.I often thought that both the Queen and the Batter were inherently limited in what they could do because they were emulated off of Hugo's bad real world parents.Hugo remembered his father as a bad man, so the Batter can't do anything but destroy. Hugo remembered his mother as neglectful and so the Queen can't actually take care of him.
>>736524975>VNs aren't gamesDanganronpa technically isn't a VN.>Alphys is annoyingShe's also not in most of the game.
>>736525160>tfw had a Tumblr just to interact with the Homestuck fandom in more places>tfw also followed RPGM projects>tfw shared some OFF stuff in Homestuck spaces
i hate his new art style, but also it's drawn in a way that makes you say: "dang this nigger looks cute".
>>736497861You know you're allowed to make a thread about a game without making the OP bait right
>>736497861It's about how parents abandon their children and call it caring for them.Hugo's dad didn't just disappear one day for no reason. He was probably working to keep supporting Hugo.The four administrators created a whole world, just for Hugo. But ultimately, they got so caught up in keeping this made-up world running and existing that they forgot about him. "We set up a party and baked a cake, but we forgot who it was for."The message is that a child needs more than just "to be kept alive". Do you think that Hugo is happy, alone in a little white room?
>>736525160Did OFF really took (heh) off because of Homestuck fans?That's something I'm having hard time to wrap my hand around It's like saying Hylics took off because Undertale fans wanted something similar Ain't no way more half of the people who played OFF back in the day were also Homestuck fans waiting for the hiatus to be over
>>736525515Yeah, I think it's too round, almost no actual angles. Which is what probably makes it cute as well, since it's "baby-shaped". Truly French calarts
>>736525707Homestuck is the reason why OFF went from an obscure RPGMaker game into a huge phenomena in the indie scene.Now most of the people who played OFF almost certainly didn't know what Homestuck was, but the reason the game got enough publicity to be all over Tumblr and played by big youtubers like Markiplier or whatever, was because it got a break into the large Homestuck fandom.Without Homestuck and Tumblr OFF would probably be a bit like Ib, likely smaller, since it's such a weird and abstract game and premise. And by today the only people who'd know about it would probably just be those who were really into RPGmaker games in the early 2010s
My biggest gripe with remake isn't the music, but how pointless combat rework is. They didn't try to make something fun, especially with using fucking Unity instead of RPGM. Truly a waste of remake
>>736526327Yeah right? You'd think they would have upended the entire system, but no. They basically just tweaked some numbers and added in critical hits. You can even argue it is a downgrade because it's fully turn-based instead of being really frantic like the original
>>736497861My SINGLE biggest regret in OFF was that as soon as I left each world I went right back into them which spoiled the surprise and then I was so overleveled the whole game was a cakewalkLike it was never gonna be hard to begin with but that kind of fucked up the surprise it would've been later on LOL also Dedan's a grade A badass
>>736520819>Deltarune dark worlds are very similar to OFF's zonesThey most certainly are not.>They're separate worldsOFF's Zones are all part of the same landmass. The Nothingness is just fast travel between the continents.>main antagonists being the dark world's guardiansEvery game has levels that end with a boss>your job is to shut down the fountain, which would retroactively shut off the dark world and their inhabitantsPurifying the zones in OFF didn't shut off the residents, it let the Secretaries get in so that they could kill everyoneDeltarune Dark Wrolds are meant to be Alice in Wonderland type worlds, where inanimate objects are animated, the rules are topsy turvy, and when you leave it's something you could pass off as a dream.
>>736497861Didn't That Dragon, Cancer record the kid's screams and put it in the game?
I love pretentious RPGmaker slop but I did not care for OFF
wow there's an animation of hugo giving the batter a blowjob
>>736497861People will refuse to play actual masterpieces like Ruina: Fairy Tale of the Forgotten Ruins, but then suck OFF's dick like there's no tomorrow.RPG Maker "fans" are honestly the biggest fucking retards around.
>>736528168>Every game has levels that end with a bossI think he picked the word "guardian" because it's usually a fairly "this is a game, you know what a boss is, don't overthink it" term for a boss, and he enjoys the portions of both Deltarune and OFF that technically align with the way things "just are" in games. Like, you know, the type of person who gets confused anytime an antagonist doesn't die the first time their health bar is depleted.
the fact that OP even made this thread and it survived with more than a handful of posts is proof enough the game did it's job
>>736532198Nobody wants to play final fantasy clone #24601 when they could just emulate the games themselvesThey want shit that stands out for better or worse
>>736525859for what it's worth the comic was nice. just wish he kept both styles rather than swapping one for the other. the depictions are super cute and most panels showcase a skill most artists don't have: making panels flow nicely.
