A gift just for (you).
>>736500274Wow Hitler's a cool guy, thanks
>>736500274Why is a tyrannical genocider being handed over to me by Hitler?
Just to answer anon's last point the advantage of distract is that it has a long range so you can safely attack from afar for cheap without getting too close, and it helps set up for other cats to finish the job if you can't kill
>>736499901The problem, as you will realize if you roll a backstabber Thief, is that you will frequently find yourself unable to backstab no matter how fast you are. Enemy layouts CONSTANTLY have them with their backs to either a wall or another enemy, and I’m pretty sure they’re programmed to put their backs to a wall at turn end, when possible.Distract makes it actually reasonable to backstab.
Justifying Distract is probably worse than justifying Grill
>>736500274w-what do i do with it?
AAAAAAAAH PTSD FROM WHEN THESE FAGGOTS GAVE ME MALARIA 3 TIMES IN A ROW
>Alright, guys, give me your weakest non-collarless abilities so I can buff them>NOOOO THESE ARE PERFECTlmfao what is wrong with this spaz?
In the meantime, we can expect an harpooner buff, a poison gas buff, a caltrops buff (?) a cha cha slide buff, and a general buff for tinkerer and forbidden spells.
Kill marshmallow
>>736501412>file for ants>all of those abilities are actually good aside from Grill
>>736501257Shake shake, shake ‘em and bake ‘emShake shake, shake ‘em and bake ‘emGrab ‘em by the tail, they're tastier than snailsGrab ‘em, stomp ‘em, skin ‘em, crunch ‘emGrab ‘em, stomp ‘em, skin ‘em, crunch ‘em
>>736501486>an harpooner
>>736500274General threads have their own containment board. >>>/vg/
>>736501570>>736501629>mobile poster
>>736501678Have fun there!
>>736501412>wind element kills grassIT SURE WOULD BE NICE IF YOU SAID THAT IN THE GAME STEAKMUND
>>736501251Distract is great in a backstab build.The problem is it’s a vital component to one and rarely worth taking otherwise. And the odds of getting backstab abilities/passives AND Distract start getting really slim.
I tried to improve apon this image by removing the + const - speed part
>>736501792You didn’t already figure that out from druid bird?
>>736501806No you should keep the -1 speed part because people need to learn to chew slower.
>>736501486I don't think caltrops is even weak, Thief just has so many good skills. Harpooner is one of those odd ones that's weak with Butcher's hook but broken on another class if you have a gun. Until you get to higher difficulties and then it's mediocre again because reflect.
>>736501251Distract is a good skill at any time.2 mana to deal +25% damage to an enemy until their next turn is great on its own.Sure, obviously sometimes you can backstab them without it (and without repositioning in a bad place), but that's less than half the time. And when that happens you can simply not spend the 2 mana.Better than any collarless spell at least, which is more than you can say about Grill.
>>736501862I got you
>>736501251In lategame when you're bursting down all enemies round 1 it's pretty good, they don't get the opportunity to move away from the walls or each other, so Distract is just a +25% damage boost against those guys. That's not even getting into backstab synergy. Grill is way worse.
>>736500749>the advantage of distract is that it has a long rangeSo it's less useful on characters that have high SPD and a large amount of movement abilities like thief does? Thief can just walk around an enemy, hit it, then use a movement spell to get safe (which movement spells are more versatile and worth the extra mana and are more deserving of a space). >it helps set up for other cats to finish the job if you can't killYeah let's just hope that enemy doesn't have a turn inbetween you and your teammates. >>736500990>Enemy layouts CONSTANTLY have them with their backs to either a wall or another enemy, and I’m pretty sure they’re programmed to put their backs to a wall at turn endGood point but I'm still not sure if that justifies itself. Most of my thiefs oneshot enemies with or without backstab, and I have been able to just use movement to get behind most bosses.
>>736501251Going back to my MTG comparison, Distract is for Spikes. It's a solid efficiency improvement when you're playing "optimally", ie. killing everything before they get a turn.
>>736501806>>736502031I made it look more like a steak
You know what really needs a balance pass? Damaging status effects. With like the one exception of Leech because Immortal Leeches exists.They’re only good for activating "on (statused) enemy" effects, they simply do not scale with everything else.
>>736501251Distract also helps against copbots and other enemies that have directional block, it's not really comparable to grill
having a losing streak of runs that feel like utter bullshit, and now hitler's coming
>>736501678Lord forbid people use /v/ to talk about video games.
Stand aside, Grill.Why in gods name is it DIAGONAL ONLY?
>>736501486>all forbidden spells will get a buffguarantee it still won't be enough. Nobody wants injuries when casting spells, and injury immunity options aren't available every run.
>RNGslop
>>736503110Hello, ritual poster
>>736503180I miss the days of "I'm going to use the dice!" and "kill yourself tranny lover"...
>>736503097They’d be useful as a "break glass in case of emergency" pick, but they still come at the expense of some other ability that you can use all the time.
>>736501678I hate backseat jannies so much it's unreal. You don't even police actual trash like Twitter screencaps.
Has Ed said anything about Necrosis? I fucking hate that shit
>>736503097>>736503230the most baffling to me are some of the Mage self-injure spells (that aren't classed as Forbidden), like Corrupt and Deal with the Devil - they are both complete garbage.>hurr durr permanently lower a random stat to get...15 mana!>...or +3 damage (temporarily lol)what the fuck was ed thinking???>S tier class according Edmund btw
>>736503365What about it? It’s arguably one of the less crippling disorders unless you’re self-hit.
>>736503093I've never taken this, but I'm assuming it to knock around dudes so you can enable those swap stance skills and still hit people.
steak status?
>>736503386I like both of those, honestly. An actual nice "break in case of emergency" case that has no real permanent downsdes. The problem is that, much like the forbidden spells, it's extremely weak to charm effects.
>>736503460cat steak
>>736501486I hope the buff to forbidden spells is that they pool from every disorder instead of the limited pool of 6 that they have right now
>>736503481kat steak kat steakkat steak kat steakkat steak kat steakgot kat? eat steak
>>736501678There are currently 19 (nineteen) Resident Evil threads on the catalog
>>736500274
>>736503436I don't know why I always get it with thief just ruins the build forever
>>736503465>no real permanent downsdes???? You permanently lower a stat for a pitiful boost. Seriously, I just had a Mage run with Corrupt and it was a net loss to ever use it, especially once I got Latent Energy passive which made Corrupt laughably redundant
>>736503574Edmund should swap the effects of Latent Energy and Corrupt, unironically it would fix the former being obviously OP and the latter being garbage not worth the cost
>>736501862I would add +int because now you know
>>736503442If they’re not adjacent (which they can’t be, if diagonal) then you can already hit them with monk ranged.If it wasn’t diagonal only then yeah, it would be great to set up Combo Pulls and whatnot.
>>736503460(Chewing, chewing, chewing)
>>736503710Oh is that how it works? I thought you picked a target at range and the diagonals from that are what get knocked back. Didn't realize it was only diagonals from you.
Is there any reason to ever pick Math?
>>736503856low int builds
>>736503856if you have expensive skills that don't need to be cast multiple times
>>736503919oh wait i mixed this up with another skillnah it's kind of mddling
>>736503856There's two Math abilities.Math!, the Tinkerer active, is decent against bosses with large hp pools since they'll have more factors.Math?, the Fighter passive, is great on low int builds that won't be able to spam skills anyway.
>>736503778DOWN WITH THE DEVILDOWN WITH THE DEVIL
>>736503781Oh, shit, I’m stupid and didn’t notice that part.Awkwardly restrictive but theoretically useful, then.
>>736503995Math? is also good for loading up on expensive skills and being able to use them every turn. Like confront, Meteor Slam, one-two punch all in one turn.
>IT'S A GASYES, IT IS A GAS>WHEN THE FUTURE MEETS THE PASTWHEN THE FUTURE MEETS THE PAST>FIRST IS LASTFIRST IS LAST>IT'S SUCH A BLASTWHEN THE PAST MEETS THE FUTUREAND THE FUTURE MEETS THE PAST
>go forwards to the end of time to kill a cancer that ended the world>go back to dinosaur times and kill some dinosaurLame. We should go back to the beginning and kill the first fish to walk on land.
>>736504229Well yeah, I figured that was obvious. The unupgraded version is potentially all downside if you only have cheap skills.
>>736501570>>file for antsWorks on my machine. Outing yourself as a phonefag.
OH MANWHERE'S THAT LOVELY SMELL COMING FROM
I have never run a no-Int fighter and I probably never will.It’s a chicken and egg problem. You need the appropriate skills to even consider running one, because they’re a worthless cripple otherwise. So you collar cats with good stats. Which makes them poor fits for the dumbass build in the event that you are offered them.
>>736503856Yeah, I had a fighter with 6 int and took math? and every turn he would teleport + whatever skill he wanted. Was really great at teleporting in, hitting with his attack + skill + weapon and then just running away.
tips for Hitler house boss?
>>736504684Watch out for Pebbles. He keeps his instakill rock from the tutorial.
>>736504684Prepare for a long fight, don't bring cats that do electric damage.
>>736504649There's multiple disorders and items that reduce your int, you can set it up from the start even with good stat cats.
>>736504684Kill Marshmallow, Arthur and Alice ASAP
>>736504684Kill good. Don’t end your turn in his melee range.
>>736504684It sends robot versions of each cat class miniboss. You have max 2 enemy units on the ground at a time.So dont bring electricity or big AOE
>>736504684Good: thief ignore shield skills, cats that can buff themselves and scale over a long fight, some healingBad: electric element, once per battle stuff, wide aoeIt'll be a gauntlet, so focus more on winning the long fight. I don't think I've ever seen anyone have trouble with hitler himself after beating up all the cats, you get so much time to buff up.
>>736504313>Amoebas: the act
>>736504804You can’t really add specific disorders after locking in. Yeah I know corpse guy gives syringes but that’s like 3x as many dead cats as I’ve ever had away Skull Clamp does the job, I suppose.
>>736504313>>736505041>features enemies based on Coil
>THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG HEREREALLY WRONG HERE>THAT GUY NEXT TO ME ACTS WEIRDHE'S TALKING ABOUT CHEWING STEAKS>THE DEVIL KNOWS HOW LONG HE'S BEEN AWAKE>HOW LONG WILL IT BE, ETERNITY?POSTING CRAP WHILE THE MODS LOOK OVER ME>THE SAME POSTS AND THE SAME REACTION PICSKILL ME PLEASE, I NEED SOMETHING ELSE TO CLICK
>>736505068William's Syndrome and Down's Syndrome are both potential birth defects, I think they can be inherited too. If you've got enough inbred kittens you'll see them eventually.
>>736505217>maybe I’ve been here too long section doesn’t need changing at all
>>736504649Low int fighters are a "when life gives you lemons" kinda build, where you try to make the best of a fighter that's infected with rabies or a brainworm or something int reducing like that. Even the posterchild for 0 int builds, stoopzerk, is at its most effective when you have HIGH int
>>736505481even the sister-kissing part?
>>736501715What does an harpooner have to do with phones? Or are you calling the original guy a phoneposter and not the guy quoting an harpooner?
>>736505412I actually haven’t seen those yet, I stress a lot over inbreeding so that’s probably why.Maybe I should run a freaks breeding room too.
>>736505629especially the sister kissing part
>>736505629Especially that part.I’ve seen enough Coffin threads around here to know that.
>>736505068once you install the Idol of Chaos, the dead cat donations to (You) become easy, just now i made 17 of them in one night
>>736505041>>736504313I wonder if this is was the plan. The amoebas don't really fit with the Crater. You have mind controlling plants, cats fused with plants and plant monsters, then coincidentally there's also mind controlling slimes. Maybe amoebas and the rock monsters were meant to be in The Beginning but stuff got shuffled around.
>>736505217I SAW SOME EMPTY FACED ZOMBIE GUYS>ARGUING WITH EMPTY BRAINS INSTEAD OF FACTSTHEIR LITTLE ARMS ARE TINY-SIZED>THAT WOULD EXPLAIN WHY THEY NEVER WIPE
>>736501412Bait trap is actually really nice it lets you lock down every unit in the game for free
>special unlock for defeating the final boss of each act with a collarless teamIs there any special reward for running all collarless teams in harder difficulties or am I done?
>>736504340>posting from the same platform that 80% of 4chan uses is bad>why? BECAUSE IT JUST IS OK!!!!
>>736503919>>736503937>>736503995>>736504660Was talking about the Tinkerer one, my bad
Lucy!
>>736507169now give her fat tits
>>736506946The Tinkerer one kinda sucks IMO. I think people extremely overestimate how many factors a number can have. It might actually be one of the worst abilities in the game.
>>736507347I can't into anatomy but here you go
>>736503097injuries are not a big deal in late game, it's a fine compromise, disorders are just too random and too debilitating
>>736508089I can work with this.
>>736505656They're the same guy
>>736504684Build a Fighter or a Butcher that scales off of kills or meat or something like that, after beating up all the robot cat mini-bosses my Butcher had built up so much strenght he two shot Hitler so I don't even know what his abilities were
>>736501570>mobile shitter filteredbased as fuck
>>736508447How would you feel if you took your meds this morning?
>>736506770More like 80% of the internet in general
>>736508630>Same posting format, one minute a part, replying in a sequence of two postsMobile poster got outed. You can stop defending him now. If you're defending yourself, it's even more pathetic.
>>736508742And if you failed for my "a part" bait, you're brown btw
>>736508089>Lucy's fat autistic tits spilling out of her topSEXO
>>736508742>an harpooner>>736508831>QUICK! I have to prove I'm not ESL by saying I was just baiting bro! No wonder you're getting triggered so hard by >an harpooner, it's almost like you have something to prove.
>>736508742You got me, bro. Well played. I'm such a fucking retard.
>>736508630But I chewed my steak this morning!
unironically, what did Ed mean by this?
>>736509462Stick is getting buffed despite already being insanely strong with the right build. Ed is a retard that is only barely better at balancing than his retarded fanbase.
>>736500274post butthoel
>>736509462If you have a stick and get hit with fire, it becomes a torch. If you get hit with earth, it becomes a spear.
honestly this dude has a point. Why would you ever want to spawn a meat that is actively on fire?it's a waste of a spell slot tbqhwy
I have been liking the butcher ability that does a fire fart on enemies in melee range. It's good on melees that don't have anything better to dump mana into.
>>736509724food that has burned heals for more (cooked) and it gives the ability the unique utility of being a combination of both a healing ability that synergizes with meat based passives and additionally being able to light things on fire such as burning grass
>>736509462I'm guessing if he's adding new classes as part of updated or maybe DLC he might make some sort of weapon master or cat-at-arms that can get extra buffs for equipment and weapons and deal with consumables better than Hunter, or maybe he's giving tinkerer a buff so even sticks can do better damage
>>736509724>spawn a meatIt doesn't spawn a meat that is actively on fire. What it does is it turns a meat that isn't on fire into one that is on fire.
>>736509946So obviously you breed bait trap into a butcher and put the bait on fire
>>736509870Can I have a recipe for spaghetti bolognese without meat?
>>736509946>It doesn't spawn a meat that is actively on fireYes it fucking does anon I've had it before, it spawns meat in a tile that's on fire
>>736510104wait I'm mixing it up with BBQ
The ESL that doesn't know the difference between "an harpooner" and "an heir" is just ruining the thread with disinfo now. >>736510104>>736509870
>>736510297>/v/ is one personFuck off retard
>>736500990>enemy layouts often prevent backstabbing on turn 1, sometimes even turn 2>meanwhile my fucking cats start each fight presenting their fucking assholes to the enemy It's not a big deal most of the time, but it drives me crazy when high-speed enemies, especially on the hard path, just get a free 25% damage because my cats apparently back into every single fight.
>>736510297
If you want cooked food, a goddamn collarless ability does that without setting you on fire.If you want to burn an enemy, there’s many ways to apply it directly instead of hoping the enemy walks over the single tile of fire you just made.
>>736510628Butcher at least gets a harpoon to pull enemies through the fire. I think Grill sucks dick but it's not even bottom 10 abilities for Butcher.
>>736510826>it's not even bottom 10 abilities for Butcher.Complete bullshit, name 10 Butcher abilities that are worse. Optimistically, it's bottom 5.https://mewgenics.wiki.gg/wiki/Butcher
>>736510297He could just be retarded anon. Doesn't mean he's ESL.
i think the game has a bit of an identity crisis about whether it's about stacking the deck in your favour or rolling with the punches
>>736511110It's obviously both, there's no issue with that. People love Balatro.
>>736511110You stack the deck so that you can take the punches.
>>736503574it's really not that big of a deal, they especially shine during house fights because you wont be needing those stats anymore anyway
>arthur fight>first spell mass psychosis, giving all my cats confusion and madness>second spell form of the squirrel>immediate wipeawesome boss ed thanks
>Try to do a fun run with 2 Necros, one with Malaria and the other with Naeglaria fowleri, and 1 cat with The Loner.>The fucking swarm that Malaria spawns keeps trying to kill the downed Necro because "he's on the way">Whenever the Naegleria's Necro revives, he revives with no brace from the fucking item.It's obvious what has been tested and what hasn't. Btw I'm playing in the lastest patch which has the line:>Fixed Naegleria Fowleri not applying Brace properly
>>736510987everything that only works on adjacent tiles, because the whole benefit of the butcher is that he can attack diagonally
>>736501251>not justifying both on the basis of costing 2 mana, which on top of their own effect can be spammed with a single dunce cap/neural chip so another cat with latent mana can nuke half the mapDOWN ON YOUR KNEES
>>736512047>no tinfoil hat + repair on all your catsskill issue
>>736512642That's like saying Thief has no good melee abilities because the basic attack is ranged. You can still attack adjacent, you're not going to be at a diagonal every time.
>>736512917thief's melee abilities do suck ass, though, glad you agree with me
>>736513169Steal Time alone destroys that idea
no justification for steakmund's lies of omission
>>736513445It's a roguelike :)
>>736513486if you're going to not explain what every enemy can do that's fine, but you shouldn't pretend that you're going to
>>736513770Isaac worked the exact same way. Until he gave in and added the more detailed descriptions at least.
