What are your thoughts on sweaty players and gregors in video games. Particularly, multiplayer video games? From what I gather, a games multiplayer health really depends on more "casual" players. Basically, gregors and more sweaty players generally don't like to play against other sweaty players. Not sure how true that is because I am generally garbage at multiplayer games even though I enjoy them. However, people argue that a game being too oriented towards sweaty players usually ends up torturing more casual players because they get dunked on relentlessly. Honestly, I have no issue with getting dunked on or losing. Sometimes I even put up a good fight. Some games however do really have a high sweaty player population compared to the casual population. What do you think? Who should game devs even cater to? The biggest eye opener to me was that sweaty players don't like SSBM? Mostly because SSBM forces them to play against other sweaty players. But is that a bad thing or a good thing?
i think its funny that the average /v/ poster is so incompetent that knowing how to play a game is seen as a bad thing
>>736512953I think the issue is that people perceive certain tactics as being super sweaty. So if you are player in lets say... Super smash melee and you are wave dashing, its likely you are somewhat sweaty. Compared to the guy who is playing Donkey Kong no wave dashing etc. Or in certain shooting games, you can "head glitch" and use tactics like that. Basically, using the borderline glitch "techs" makes it seem sweaty. Some games have a lot of those. Things that are basically bugs but allowed.
>>736512813>get called sweaty or tryhard by players worse than youtale as old as time lol
>>736513131best fps mechanic ever was born out of a physics glitch. the argument is just "i dont like doing this" at which point play a different game
>>736512813as a mohnhun sweatlord i've seen an uptick in casual shitters recenlty - case in point alatreon.in elden ring its more apparent since the inclusion of overpowered gear and assymetrical pvp made the playerbase turn into ganking faggots.
>>736512813Optimal spread is 70% casuals to 30% sweats. Enough sweats that they can tryhard against each other and make the occasional casual game interesting, but not so many that it kills the game.
>>736512813You should care less about what others think and do and more about what you do and think.
>>736512953>The RTS threads on /v/Kek yes exactly this
>>736513501Oh I know what I think. I think sweaty players are fine in proper doses. Any game that has majority sweats usually dies because the truest statement is that "sweats don't like fighting sweats". I imagine its because they realize how aids they have to play to win. Also the prime reason why games with a lot of sweats like call of duty, the sweats hate SSBM. I personally don't think I am sweaty or casual in a lot of games that I play. I think I am some sort of mid range player. I make some good plays. I wouldn't say I am a total lemming though. I have definitely met casual players who feel the game should coddle them though which drives me nuts.
>>736513657My favorite threads for when I want someone who clearly doesn't play the genre to tell me why it failed
>Game has a clear skill ceiling>It's made to reach it>Mediocres get mad when you naturally seek it>Mediocres get mad when you start naturally gitting gud>Mediocres get mad when you do what the game is about
I think it'd be better if the average mouth breather could hold back their ADHD long enough to learn how to play the game. Catering to them just results in an overly simplified and boring game that also happens to play like everything else
>>736513795Sad part is that RTS, arena FPS and fighting games aren't that hard to begin withThey might just be really really bad at life
>>736512813You just need an MMR ranked mode and a server browser
As someone with a wife and a child in their 30s now, i fucking love shitting on people who make video games their life and act like it matters when it's just a toy.
>>736513968The issue is that many players don't like getting their ass beat relentlessly. I personally don't mind that. However, I don't think people realize how much and how common it is for people to get mad at video games when losing. I never get mad about video games but A LOT of gamers are controllers throwers, table punchers etc. Its very odd honestly. Also, a lot of people have the mindset of "I don't want to come home from working 8 hours and get destroyed all the time in games."
sweats are literally the equivalent of trannies who join women's sports to beat up girls weaker than them with no repercussionsthey don't exist to have fun, they exist to ruin other people's fun
>>736514289this was less a of a problem when there were server lists with large player counts.yea thered be a guy whod fuck you up but he would be player 1 of 20 and you could just instantly join another game in progressmatchmaking and getting points/ranking each match puts it in the noobs head that shit is more serious than it needs to be
>>736512813There hasn't been a MP game to attract people out of "Rule of Cool" in years. The only 2 I can think of recently that people play are Helldiver 2 and maybe Deep Rock Galactic. To elaborate: People didn't play CS 1.6 because of MUH ESPORTS. It was because it was the only real tactical military simulator shooter on the market at the time. Unreal Tournament appealed to the SciFi nerds at the time. Hell, you look at the finaly Quake 1 match of the first ever tournament and they play nothing like how people do today. WoW and OSRS were amazing fantasy sims you could play with friends and see tangible, real time results unlike tabletop games.Marathon is MUH ESPORTSValorant is MUH ESPORTSOW, CS2, etc. Don't get me wrong, I played Quake Live back in the day but by that point the novelty of Quake 3 had worn off and I was playing to see how git gud I could become.I cannot think of a single modern MP game, especially FPS, that make me go, "I want to experience and play in that world with other people because it looks interesting and fun". >>736514504Arguably this as well.
>>736512953This. /v/ will be advocating for gatekeeping until it exceeds their own skill level and then post copium like OP.
>>736514624>mfw low effort players call knowing how to play a game "esports"
>>736512813Gregor isn't a sweat, he's just really good at the game.
>>736514504noobs ruin my fun by not providing adequate challenge, you're the problem.
>>736514680Not my point. Esports come from people wanting to play the game. It used to be esports developed out of people's love for the game as opposed to now where it's a game made with esports in mind. Esports for the sake of esports.Also:>low effort players1v1 me Aerowalk, cunt.
what is it like being someone who gets dunked on in fps games? i've never been down there
>>736512813In a happy world we had server browsers, and the sweats could find the appropriate challenge for their slayer oathsNow we just all suffer together
>>736512813I don't have it to hand, but the image about matchmaking vs community servers perfectly sums up the problem with modern multiplayer games. It forces everyone into the same meta chasing competitive bullshit. I played UT2K4 and TF2 for hundreds of hours each without ever having a competitive format match, that's just not possible in modern shit.
>>736514504Sorry for beating your ass lil bro don't worry you'll drop to where you belong.
