No.

>>736525317
no

cyberpunk was clowned on because it ran like shit and was filled with bugs. That sort of thing is easy to fix. The story and writing and basic combat were fine.

Starfield though, EVERYTHING is fucked. There is literally nothing good in the entire game. It's unsalvageable.

Did they rewrite the whole game because the problem is in the writing and the characters nothing else

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No (No)

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cant wait to meet my boyfriend all over again

They just need to reduce the amount of loading screens.

That’s the biggest issue for me.

>>736525317
Look at fallout76 for your answer.
Bethesda fanfags will shove it down their throats as usual.

>>736525317
Lol no

>>736525637
if youre flying from planet to planet in the same system theres now one less loading screen

>>736525715
Yeah but the biggest gripe for me is having a loading screens everytime you enter a small shop.

>>736525384
The ng+ stuff where you got to do shit like recruit yourself as a party member was cool. Everything else was way too sanitized and trying way too hard to be star trek.

>>736525317
Cyberpunks redemption arc is people being tricked into liking a game by an animation, starfields animated shorts landed with a wet plop.
No man's sky redeemed itself by adding more to nothing, Starfields foundation is rotten

>>736525317
Pozzed game, so no.
>b-buh cyberpunk also pozz
Its within tolerance

>>736525317
Cyberpunk's redemption arc was mostly bug fixes, no amount of bugs fixed will make Starfield any less painfully fucking boring and generic

>>736525317
Reminder that es6 wont come out until 2032 at the earliest and some of wont be alive at that point.

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>>736525317
>like Cyberpunk did?
That game is still shit, and those Poles are still lying faggots.

>>736525317
I don't know, but I'm excited to finally try it this week anyway.

>>736526000
This cyberpunk is still a dogshit far cry game instead of an rpg and the world is pretty but boring

>>736525317
there are a ton of "starfield is good actually" videos already out on youtube since they announced the update and that its coming to ps5

>>736525317
cyberpunk didn't need redeeming, it was never bad

>>736525317
You can't redeem shit.
This isn't India.

>>736525317
Yeah, it's already happening. People are finding out starfield is actually a great game and unfairly hated upon.

>>736525838
Yeah real fun stuff forcing players to play the same exact game over and over for minor, completely pointless changes and a story the gets shittier every time you experience it.

>>736525317
cyberpunk had a great game under that mess.

this pile of shit is just a pile of shit, there's nothing you can do about it.

>>736525317
No. Cyberpunk had redeeming qualities (it's creative direction and visuals), Starfield has none.
Cyberpunk is still shit btw, the anime and all the patches didn't change that.

>>736525317
Starfield is already getting a lot of patches and dlc. Not to mention how bethesda is still going to keep pumping out starfield content for the next decade. Starfield has a dedicated fanbase and the word of mouth will eventually turn the tide of opinion just like it did for NMS and CP2077 within the next 5 years, by then everyone will act like the game was good all along.

Cyberpunk has always been woke slop and despite all the patches you cant redeem dogshit no matter how much work you put into it. Meanwhile starfield is kino and one of the best games of the generation, it doesnt need fixing.

>>736525317
Everyone is just waiting for the next TES game at this point

>>736526000
Cyberpunk at it's core had a lot going for it and Phantom liberty was a good expansion. Even if you found the game boring at least the world and lore is pretty interesting. Starfield has one of the most unimaginative worlds ever created, the MC is called Starborn like Wtf Bethesd?

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>>736528438
>Had a lot going for it
It's just GTA with pretty lights, trans rights, and the worst "roleplaying" options in anything ever

>>736525317
Cyberpunk was a good game brought down by bugs
Starfield isnt a good game

>>736528531
Compare that to starfield which has quite literally fucking nothing. Their version of a nightclub is just some autistic retarded costumes and random generated npcs that look like they don't belong there.

>Todd's dream game he couldn't make until the tech had caught up with his imagination
>Emil's narrative magnum opus and storytelling tour-de-force
>Bethesda's biggest and most expensive title to date
>the start of a whole new franchise, the first made by Bethesda since the Elder Scrolls

>it's not even half a good as the worst episode of The Next Generation and everything about it is shitty, miserable and ridiculously badly written to the point of it being childish

Unless this update tears this game down and builds from scratch, no.

>>736525317
It wont but I wish jt would. And open world space exploration RPG with fun ship customization sounds fucking awesome, Bethesda is just the last company that should make something like that these days.

>>736528665
>My RPG may not have dialogue or quest options, but at least it has goonslop!

>>736525317
Starfield is a completely unsalvagable mess that doesn't even have the mechanics necessary to make a good game - there's quite literally not enough features of objects or characters in the game to make anything playable with, it will always be a boring shooter. They'd need to remake the entire game from scratch, pretty much.

>>736528987
Cyberpunk has dialogue and quest options but unless you're some queer fag there's nothing sexy in it

>>736528987
It's actually got more and better options than starfield but keep coping if it helps you sleep at night. Make daddy Todd proud

>>736528797
>>Todd's dream game he couldn't make until the tech had caught up with his imagination
what a load of horseshit considering it just turned out to be Privateer packaged with Morrowind

>>736529134
>Blue option that loops dialogue back to the main branch
>Orange option that continues the dialogue until the questline ends in exactly one outcome
Holy fucking roleplaying, the anime was right!

>>736529254
nta but cyberpunk and starfield are two completely distinct categories of suck

starfield is filled with a baffling number of quick fixes patching over critical mechanics, like where items are stored on maps for example

the whole game reeks of indians doing a rush job 5 minutes before their team meeting

>>736525317
Bethesda Game Studios is a very small studio with 3 employees. It's going to take them a long time to make Starfield a better game. Be patient.

>>736525317
It's built on such a shoddy foundation I don't think it's remotely possible. Cyberpunk is still pretty jank even after all the improvements but at its core it has a really interesting setting and story. The combat also improved significantly once they stripped a lot of the boring stat increase filler and encouraged build variety. Starfield on the other hand is so utterly boring in just about every aspect that the only way you could truly fix it into something approaching good is if you rebuild the entire thing from the ground up and that includes foundational shit like the entire setting.

>>736525317
No because starfield problem lies in game design, not technical like cyberpunk; its unfixable

>>736529549
so it's like crimson desert

I didn't play the game long enough to know. Does starfield have anything remotely lewd in it or anything that can be considered for mature audiences

>>736530127
there's implied sex in it and people flirting with you, is that lewd?

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>>736530127
AVERT YOUR EYES

>>736525317
It will probably end up like 76. There was no big update that suddenly changed everyone's mind but opinions of it gradually became more postive. My biggest issue with it was the lack of space content and that seems to be what is being addressed with the dlc and update at least.

>>736528797
who do people always bring up writing in these threads? the last Bethesda game with half decent writing was Morrowind. It's not even as bad as fallout 3, though to be fair, not much is.

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I will never forgive Todd Howard for introducing paid mods.

>>736531150
You might not like this but it was inevitable. If Todd wasn't the one to do it someone else would have

>>736530848
>It will probably end up like 76. There was no big update that suddenly changed everyone's mind
Wastelanders

>>736530925
>the last Bethesda game with half decent writing was Morrowind.
This is actual rose tinted glasses to the extreme. Morrowind's writing, as in the quest/NPC writing, was almost non existent. Almost all the factions were nothing but a collection of like 30 side quests, many of which were skyrim radiant tier, that just handed you leadership afterwards. The Main quest was also barely put together.
-The first like 3rd is you doing largely unrelated tasks that amount to "you might be the Nerevarine"
-The 2nd 3rd was "do more random tasks that barely relate to each other for them to name you Neravarine"
-The back 3rd was just meeting up with Vivec who goes "guess you're the Nerevarine, go kill Dagoth Ur"
Oblivion was a massive step up compared to Morrowind because questlines actually had narratives. The thing you did in the early missions acxtually fed back to later missions, there was an actual cast of characters that did stuff throughout the questline, rather than it being a collection of things that would otherwise be labeled side quests that they just called main quests.

The issue with Oblivion, and Fallout 3, is that they were way too black/white. Skyrim and Fallout 4 improved on both games by adding a lot more moral grey in many of the faction questlines, and the main quest.

Starfield took that and improved by a smidge by giving you more choices throughout the main quest and faction quests.

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i'm sure it will anon
i'm sure it will

>>736531656
desu I think it's a difference between the micro and the macro, at the micro level oblivion was better but at the macro level morrowind was better

there's a reason why we still occasionally get morrowind threads but nobody talks about oblivion's story anymore

>>736531150
don't be a redditor anon. the world does not run on free
go to bible studies if you have problems with temptation

>>736531825
DESU, most of the Morrowind threads are people wanking Kirkbride lore as if it was canon, and not anything that was actually in Morrowind.

>>736525317
Sarahfield, your vitals are... OH NO NO NO NO!

>>736531857
I doubt anybody cares what's considered canon by bethesda especially after ESO raped so much of the lore.

>>736531825
Oblivion was carried hard by how good the dark brotherhood was.

>>736525570
And the combat and the setting and the NPCs and the enemies and the equipment and the player character

>>736531762
SARRRRRRRRRRRRFIELD

>>736531904
>after ESO raped so much of the lore.
I'm not an ESO fan by any stretch, but it literally didn't.

>>736525317
Starfield is too bland for anyone to genuinely give a shit about it.
Also, 90% of the Cyberpunk "redemption" was the goonbait anime.

>>736532134
>I'm not an ESO fan by any stretch, but it literally didn't.
lol

>>736525317
It's Skyrim in space minus the stuff that makes Skyrim good.

Only if they gave you an option to join an entirely different faction. Aside for Armin Shimmerman who is based for buying friends, the Constellation Club is lame.

>>736525317
Yes but not cause of this slop. They are just also finally releasing proper documentation for the creation kit 2 so mods will be able to actually make the game what people wanted.

>>736529054
I honestly don't understand the people who say the gunplay improved or it's better? You're still shooting bullet sponge bosses and generic bandits. There's no real enemy variety it's the same terrible combat since Fallout 4.

all the mods are going to break tomorrow aren’t they?
i’m looking at nexus mods and most of the mods haven’t been updated since like 2024. are people even still modding this game?

>>736533331
Most modders(paid or free) are using the in-game creations menu since modding launched with it, and its just easier to use.

>>736525838
Still can't believe they did next to nothing with NG+ beside a few easter eggs. Literally an entire new universe and it's no different than the old one. What's the point?

>>736533407
oh neat. i haven’t touched this game since i beat it at launch and didn’t bother with new game plus. i’ll browse through it tomorrow

>>736533462
>Still can't believe they did next to nothing with NG+ beside a few easter eggs.
There's a large number of starborn dialogue options that let you complete quests differently, or faster, and save NPCs(even beyond your companions) that otherwise would've died.
>What's the point?
Play questlines differently, able to redo the game to get higher level/get more perks easier, upgrade starborn powers, see the dozen or so alt universes you can find.

>>736525384
The combat in starfielf is so far ahead of cyberpunk its not even funny. Gunplay in cyberpunk is pure unadulterated dogshit, the guns feel like weak nerfguns like in half life 2. You are just a sheepheaded npc, loving what you are told to love and hating what you are told to hate.

>>736525805
You must hate skyrim and fallout 3 & 4 & vegas then since they have even more loading screens within cities

>>736525317
They just need to commission an anime like CDPR did when they """"""""""fixed"""""""""" their game.

>>736534186
>he played CP2077 like an FPS
Big miss

>>736525317
No. Even that Star Wars modpack people were glazing doesn't remotely save the game, in fact it arguably made it worse because it's a pathetic repainting of the original story and characters but with even more obnoxious shit like dying in 2hits. Starfield is just too soulless and instanced a base experience to justify wasting time on. Unless you're making a new DLC or mod that completely wipes the existing game universe and has you start from scratch, it's not worth it.

>>736533462
Its for people who made multiple charcters in skyrim, now you can do it without starting from lvl1, and get a few wacky multiverse stories.

>>736534341
>he didnt play starfield like an fps
Big miss

>>736533543
>upgrade starborn powers
What kind of mental illness possesses anyone to go land on a shit barren rock, try find a shitty montolith, float about like a turd that wont flush, then kill 1 starborn over and over and over just to upgrade space-fus-ro-dah? At least skyrim had fucking dungeons to unlock shouts.

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>>736534186
sounds like a you problem

>>736534461
Hi Saar, you seem to have an obsession with shit, and toilets. Maybe you should consider getting a toilet so you aren't surrounded by so shit feces.

i don't remember much of starfield combat. i got some gravity well power from a Temple and I would just throw the gravity well at an enemy who would then ragdoll while i unloaded shotgun blasts on them. it reminded me a lot of Mass Effect 1 kinda where you just cast lift2win.
meanwhile in Cyberpunk I downloaded a lethality mod to reduce HP count across the board, PC and NPCs.

>>736534695
don't play doom 2 you might have a heart attack from the sheer excitement

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>>736534186
Starfield has more realistic future guns and more punchy gunplay. Pic related is a Metal Storm and FDM L5 inspired volley gun and so fun to use, rips everything at close distance. I wish it had a fun button that would spit out its entire mag at once, though.

>>736534756
>starfield guns
>realistic

>>736534186
>The combat in starfielf is so far ahead of cyberpunk its not even funny.
No one actually believes Starfield's dogshit combat that hasn't changed in 20 years in terms of mechanics, is better than anything in any modern game

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>>736534752
cyberpunk is an easy power fantasy even on the hardest difficulty

>>736534756
if you showed that image to some fag on /k/ he'd have a heart attack

>>736525384
Cyberpunk was also "clowned on" because it was marketed as an RPG based on the TTRPGs and they were straight up lying about it.

>>736533407
So is the library of mods smaller then

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>>736532134
Maybe you've forgotten how poorly written ESO is?

>>736534396
Ng+ could have been so much better though. What the fuck were they doing with this game for 8 years.

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>>736534780
The energy weapons aside, it's about as realistic as it gets, yes. Its emphasis on multi barrel and volley fire weapons is pretty accurate to the recent experiments in military technology. It's then combined with rather fictional in-game tech, such as high power magnetic fields, that gives them an excuse to look cool and bulky.

>>736534695
Anon is right, it's funny how classic doom still mogs modern fps combat

>>736535167
>generic interface exit
>actual writing
Reach for that toilet paper harder Pajeet.

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>>736535009
Obese fudds are prone to heart attacks, yes.

>>736530127
Seek help for you porn addiction.

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>>736532141
I think the spaceships, guns, space suits, infrastructure, and various tech are far from bland. But fuck, the wardrobe is so fucking awful and bland. But to be fair, CP's wardrobe is puke inducing too.

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>>736535228
rofl

>>736534808
It is starfield that has 20 year old combat you stupid homosexual

>>736534808
It is cyberpunk that has 20 year old combat you stupid homosexual

>>736534808
Its both games that have 20 year old combat you stupid homosexual.

>>736530781
Thats q comedy dance troupe in the lore

>>736535497
I found a few good ones, and a lot of just recolours. My favourite is the bland as fuck Longsleeve, sweatpants combo, 5th row last column. Because it gave my character a fat juicy butt

>>736535619
>>736535649
>>736535894
MW2's combat mogs them both to oblivion.

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>>736536159
I dunno this is pretty exciting combat

Is this the final dlc for starfield? I haven't written off this game yet because Mr Howard jewed me out of my money like the jew he is. First dlc sucked, uninstalled. If this sucks as well then all I can say is gg Todd you got me. I didn't get my moneys worth.

>>736536953
There's the free update and then the second DLC soon after. I don't think they'll release another personally, but nothing has been said about it so far.

>>736536953
>Is this the final dlc for starfield
Nope. They're releasing one DLC every year and big updates like every 3 years.
>First dlc sucked, uninstalled.
You missed Watchtower.

>>736531150
But you would forgive Gaben for wanting the same

>>736525838
imagine if cloning was a real thing in-universe instead. The universe has nothing going for it

>>736525346
/thread

>>736529549
>>736531982
You might be right.
See >>736530781
That script has a Sanskirt style and the "GE" in lounge looks like the Hindu OM symbol.

>>736525317
I still don't get why they didn't just go with having the 9 races with unique abilities of Elder Scrolls mixed with the role playing and perks of Fallout 3/NV. The perfect formula was there and they still fucked it all up. Oh and also just having attractive alien companions to fuck.

>>736525317
Starfield will be redeemed once it reward on ps5 and the Indian snoys can stop moaning. Cyberpunk never had a redemption.

>>736525317
PS5 Pro version intro: https://youtu.be/_XJwASYTUa0?is=u-YfD3U9h-qgZkBL

>>736537075
Wrong, they said more updates and dlcs are coming

>>736538789
because they wanted to do a different kind of scifi that hasnt been done in games often

>>736525384
>like shit and was filled with bugs

on consoles

>>736525317
sure just get the japanese to make a garbage anime for it and all the troon twitter weebs will eat it up and pretending the game is good

>>736534819
>cyberpunk is an easy power fantasy even on the hardest difficulty
while i don't want to defend Cyberpunk, and it isn't one, it feels like you don't know the definition of RPG or RPG-lite

don't worry happened many times on v
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/685778848/#685780795

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Betraying the pirates was kino. The objective is purely to gun them all down and they're all terrified of you.
This is the only thing that actually stuck with me from the entire game.

>>736542770
It's probably the only remotely interesting questline in the game. The main quest is ass. The terrormorph with the tranny is beyond ass.

>>736535197
Look, nogunz, you need to leave and go back to liberal retard land where nary a gun has ever been seen outside of a newscast giving wrong information.

>>736535330
thats a big bayonett

>like cyberpunk did
You meam "paying for a hyper agressive marketing campaign, telling kids that the people talking about the terrible launch are liars and hiring a shit studio to make a mediocre show without ever actually fixing the game"? Cyberspunk is still the same piece of shit it always was.

>>736542770
kino

>>736528797
>Todd's dream game he couldn't make until the tech had caught up with his imagination
What if the king of liars wasn't actually telling the truth? Is that possible? I know it sounds crazy.

>>736537331
Gay Ben was merely an accomplice in Todd's dark machinations.
Source: not retarded, was around back then and have been around ever since

i just wanted starfield to be nms but with bigger planets.

>>736546062
It already is that with the new update, they just copied NMS/Elite's space flight system in a system.

>>736525317
They would have to betray everything the game stands for as of now
That means making a planet sized map (or pretty big, really) packed with handcrafted content, decent writing, good music, good loot, rebalancing perks and combat systems, including meaningful random encounters, more powers to unlock instead of that shitty starborn grind
Basically skyrim in space, like most people wanted

>>736546206
Everything you mentioned is already in the game though.

>>736546517
In (modded) skyrim, yes
Starfield has nothing like that. Only an empty, loading screen filled procedurally generated world with the same 10 copy pasted outposts and a handful of creatures and space pirates to fight over and over

>>736546587
No all you mentioned is in starfield.

>planet sized map Va'ruun kai
>handcrafted content check
>decent writing check
>good music check
>good loot they added more loot so check
>meaningful random encounters check
>perk and combat systems are a mod away from your preferred version
>more powers to unlock without grinding temples are possible with the new update so check

yeah that's basically everything you listed.

>>736546587
It's clear you never played starfield, none of the things you mentioned is true.

The updates will help but it won't solve the biggest issue of how sterilized everything is. Having NASA actually involved ruined so much potential of the game since it really limited on what they could get away with.

>>736546587
>Only an empty, loading screen filled procedurally generated world
I never understood this criticism of Starfield, Skyrim is literally the exact fucking same thing. Skyrim's world was also made with procedural generation. Oblivion's too. There's a lot of empty wilderness in both games just like Starfield. Most people who play Skyrim fast travel everywhere to avoid the empty wilderness just like in Starfield.

>>736546941
Skyrim has way more POIs and they're not spaced out far as fuck. It's just a poor design decision cause they went with realism rather than substance.

Where are the PS5 scores? I'm guessing it's gonna get 78-82%

>>736525384
>There is literally nothing good in the entire game.
The zero g combat was pretty good. Youd fry backwards from shooting and have random stuff floating around. It was also extremly rare to encounter naturally.

>>736547286
>skyrim POIs
there's like 3 that are unique. rest are draugr/bandit caves

>>736547776
What do you expect? Every single one the like 100 dungeons in Skyrim should have 100% unique enemies not found anywhere else in the game? In story-driven linear corridors shooters that can be beaten in 3 hours don't have that.

>>736526961
I did a playthrough this year and 300 hours says otherwise

>prefer starfield over fallout 4
>still know this update in 75 mins from now will barely get it above a 6/10 game at best
stop coping.

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I like starfield

The update is out, right? Is it engoodened yet?

>>736548385
ask again in 2 hours

>>736548385
Another hour and 12 minutes, anon. No, they didn't think letting us preload would be a good idea. Can't wait for my mods to break.

ask again in 2 weeks

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sell me on the new free lanes shit

i played starfield on release and it was a hot mess
performance was insanely ass


the star wars conversion mod looks sick
theres a halo one too

>>736548420
>starfield mods
Haha good one lol

>>736525317
No because starfield is on a fundamental level completely outdated, while cyberpunk was pissed on in the beginning but it tried something.
Starfield doesnt even try.

>>736548447
>sell me on the new free lanes shit
That's easy.

Bethesda hasn't made a bad game in 24 years.

>>736548494
lol

>>736547452
That doesn't make any sense. Bullets wouldn't work in zero gravity.

>>736548447
Performance is mostly fine now, there's also a buggy that makes getting around less of a chore. The new space update is basically babby NMS with poi's, combat, and less loading screens while you're in space. They're adding an "endgame" progression system for powering up gear and some QoL stuff for starting new games such as the ability to take things with you through unity.

It's not gonna revolutionise anything but if you liked the game, you'll like it a bit more.

>>736548578
What idiocy made you think that?

>>736548625
is the buggy bethesda like on the head of an invisible npc i.e. fallout train?
i cant imagine bethesda making a working vehicle in buggy engine

I don't think Bethesda is capable of or willing to do extensive reworks, new voice lines, etc. Especially not through free updates

>>736548647
>fire gun
>bullet floats away

>>736548658
It actually works pretty well, but the biggest issue is how rocky/bumpy some of the planets are. They weren't designed to be traveled by vehicle and it's apparent.

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>>736548720
Oh, youre retarded.

Have they removed loading screens between entering a building / room?

Im expecting crimson desert of exploration

>>736548820
Loading screens are a good thing. They allow you time to reflect on what you just experienced, share some lore and gameplay tips for the game and also give me a moment to free my hands and light a cigarette.

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>>736548950
>Loading screens are a good thing

>>736548690
but they already did those with updates

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>>736548242
Starfield is kino

>>736534186
This has to be bait right? There are only two enemies in Starfield, bullet sponge humans with guns and bullet sponge alien blob
It has some of the worst combat of any game ever made

>>736548820
No entering buildings/rooms still require a loading screen just like in fallout 4 and skyrim.

>>736548820
Of course not. The wierd thing is they were capable of doing it in fallout 76. You still had them but not as much.well 1 map vs millions of planets.

NO, STARFIELD IS NOT FUCKING GOOD. JUST BECAUSE ITS BEEN 3 YEARS SINCE RELEASE DOESNT MEAN YOU CAN START PRETENDING IT WAS EVER GOOD
FUCKING REVISIONIST RETARDS ON 4CHAN EVERY FUCKING TIME. THE GAME IS A PILE OF STEAMING SHIT

>>736549290
Did Todd hurt you

>>736549058
That will always be a thing too because of the havoc physics that every object has. Areas are loaded as small "cells" in Bethesda games so that physics aren't simulated outside of those cells at all times; one of the developers even mentioned that if they tried to make it seamless then the performance would tank to unacceptable levels.

>>736549290
BLOODY BITCH BENCHOD BASTARD
calm down, this is a white man's game.

>>736549290
WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING

>>736549058
>>736549107
Meh how many mandatory mods does the game need to be good?

>>736549467
Then why does it work in 76?

>>736549535
None really, they've done a good job at fixing a lot of issues with the systems and integrating it with the game.

>>736549023
There's more to combat than enemy type

>>736549592
I've never played FO76 but does it have simulated physics on all objects and do they remain in the world permanently?

>>736525317
No, and neither did Cyberpunk. Both games, for each their own reasons, are absolute dogshit

>>736548820
>Im expecting crimson desert of exploration
people praise the exploration in that game but its literally ALL bandit outposts, few templated puzzles and few POIs which look neat but offer basically the shitty kind of starfield sidequest level of content once you start digging deeper. also no real reason to go out and explore since all you need you get from the camp missions and vendors WHICH TO BE FAIR is also a starfield issue, but at least improving my ship and looking for the non shit side quests gave me an excuse to go and see the world.

>>736549657
Yes to the first unsure about the second pretty sure they despawn or reset after a reasonable time. Its not all objects though. Stuff you dropped spawns an imovable container. However if you shot a bottle on the ground it will move and stay moved.

>>736549884
thats just not true and you know it

>>736549950
That's the thing. Most creation engine games have full simulated physics on nearly everything (objects such as tables/lamps/decorations can be static meshes, which can't move normally) which is one of the more fun aspects of the game. Being able to spawn 10k watermelons and watch as they go crazy is unique to these games, but also limits how much of the game can be loaded at any given time. If the houses weren't instanced then every object in the house would be simulated even when you're not inside them, which would be very bad for performance.

Still, they could do better and try and find a way to make the loading screens less obnoxious, like character animated loading sequences or something.

Imagine playing Bethesda games after Skyrim. How could you play that and not realise the studio is creatively bankrupt?

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>>736550013
ive beat the game. i wish i was wrong but thems the breaks. it disappointed me just like starfield.

every location ends up being some 90% procgen village with the generic NPC vendors and radiant AI quests

its absolutely insane people are saying the exploration is good. starfield would blow their minds probably.

>>736525384
The story and writing were not fine. Wtf are you talking about. Tards that don't give a shit about vidya writing quality shouldn't comment on it.

>>736548950
You must smoke a lot then

>>736550742
>The story and writing were not fine. Wtf are you talking about
the pacing in cyberpunk was fucked but the story was fine.
heist movie into oh the thing that i stole is killing me and i need a cure.
its pretty much an oceans movie into johnny mnemonic,

>no mans sky goes on sale same day the Starfield DLC is coming out
kek i love Shawn

5 minutes until Starfield mogs all you haters ahahahaha

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>>736525637
>Need to go from a shop on one planet to a shot on another planet you haven't been to
>exit the shop (loading screen)
>get onto your ship (loading screen)
>take off (loading screen)
>warp to other system (loading screen)
>land on planet (loading screen)
>exit ship (loading screen)
>enter the shop (loading screen)
WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?!
and since apparently in this universe the fucking phone was never invented you have to do shit like this for quests way too many times where you're just fucking passing messages along

>>736551651
why dont you just press the map button and just go to the shop directly with one loading screen

>>736527943
>your story is all about time loops and multi-verses
>still have a critical path the player has to follow with no deviation
>still have essential NPC's that can't be killed or it would break the story
It was right in the palm of their fucking hands to break free of that essential NPC shit that's been plaguing their games since oblivion but they were too fucking retarded and shit to see it

>>736549023
>bullet sponge enemies
Mate you just outed yourself aa sucking at the game. I oneshot all mobs on very hard

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>>736525317
Cyberpunk was fundamentally fun an interesting when it launched and only got better. Starfield isn't going to be fixed by adding more when it's already fundamentally compromised.

Cyberpunk is still hot garbage and has not earned any kind of redemption, the casual retards thinking its good now because it has better FPS is the biggest gaslighting event in gaming history.
>>736525384
>cyberpunk was clowned on because it ran like shit and was filled with bugs
And it being nothing like it was advertised to be, somehting that never got "fixed".

>>736551651
GUYS I WANT TO BE THE AVGN SO BAD!
At best you'd be a faggot with a crossed-armed anime avatar mumbling into the mic. Starfield isnt your game, it's ours.

>play starfield for like half an hour before I refunded the game
>even the controls in fucking CD were better

Holy shit did they replace all the good developers with DEI hires?

>>736552717
buy an ad for your gook game already

>>736550680
Nah exploration is better in CD because everywhere is handcrafted. It might be populated with basic npcs but everywhere you go is beautiful and intentional

>>736552756
CD literally has dogshit controls but somehow nu-Bethesda managed to make that even worse, with one of the worst intros, I've ever seen in video games.

>>736552829
>nu-Bethesda managed to make that even worse
Mouse and Keyboard is fully rebindable, Chang.

>>736552865
it's still dogshit.

>>736531150
Yeah I hate this Creations bullshit.

>>736550680
>never even used the bells

>SFSE guy said he got help from Bethesda to make sure an update was ready
>update isnt ready
>"Use of creations will disable achievements"
kill yourself Todd

>>736525317
cant wait for the new shill campaing going on here meanwhile no mans sky will get another wave of new buyers because people will again want to play NMS instead

Will they optimise it better so it doesn’t utterly rape high end hardware with 100 degree temps?

I am about to start having a blast

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>>736553016
>caring about cheevos

>>736552804
i disagree its handcrafted in the meaning of the word. a lot of it feels like its made by a procgen tool, very competently made procgen tool but especially the locations , its all just procgen environments with some town plopped in that lacks proper storytelling or soul. i dont need every town to be novigrad but i need more from my POIs than the generic vendors. there's even a whole city up north that is clearly unfinished, with 20 or so buildings and 2-3 vendors and just a couple NPCs fishing. the whole game largely feels like a very pretty but soullesss game. which is a shame, because it is very pretty and inviting so the disappointment is even higher once you realize not much there when you start to dig deeper.

>>736553479
Well you’re just wrong then. Compare beighen versus delesyia, everything from the flowers and trees and rocks and dirt to the inhabitants are wildly different and unique.
Its a bit thin in areas but for how much there actually still is its understandable. Go back to playing skyrim I guess. For me, I’ll enjoy one of the few new medeival fantasy open world rpgs we have instead of analyzing it to death so that I ruin it for myself, like you.

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>>736553861
having different biomes is irrelevant if you can't populate it with enough unique content where exploring it has any merit.

i challenge you to name what is actually unique about beighen besides the "dirt", and the main quest step. what interesting side quests are there? or stories about the place? because i doubt there are any beyond a 2min investigation if you're lucky.

>>736552865
did mods or bethesda ever let you rebind melee pistolship/grenade to different buttons? dumbest shit to have it like that.

>>736554231
>Beighen is a biome
Excuse me?

>>736554658
you can't name whats unique about the place but you claim its "handcrafted"?

>>736554231
So you haven’t even been there but you know it’s empty? What?

>the enemy faction running the Terran Armada are called THE REDEEMED
holy fucking kek it writes itself

>>736554796
I'm NTA, but he cleary said beighen is different from delesyia which is factual. If you want to hone in on what makes Beighen itself unique, well other than being distinctly Pailunese there's nothing in particular other than the actual layout of the town and surrounding environs and the lore of the Beighen tribe. Did you never visit Beighen cemetary?

>>736554986
Why is there no footage of people playing the update? lel. I wanted to see how the changes are and if they even merit a reinstall

>>736555120
Mantis just started a new guy to play the update. https://youtu.be/IqtWT1rWKU0

>>736555158
Thanks anon. I'm hoping they did enough this time.

>>736554963
i have been there. i can tell you what those ? icons are
>armor
>blacksmith
>grocer
>street vendor
>tanner
>stables

and also without goign there, i can tell you there is 1-3 radiant quest copypasted slop where you do a runescape tier "give me items" and win a reward, and if you are lucky there's a 2 min investigation where you use a dogshit menu to "investigate" the NPCs that babble you the answers without you investigating anything.

if you want, let me know and i can verify this for you, i have the game open

>>736555006
if theres no unique content, so it might as well not exist. you people would be guffawing over starfield procgen POIs, they are exactly the same as the copypasted POIs in CD

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>>736555226
steam already hates it.

>>736555158
this is the guy who was crybully grifting and trying to cancel oxhorn lol

how did he turn his youtube career around?
>wojackshit in the thumbnail
is he the same brand of half grifter like syntheticman?

>>736555441
>cancel oxhorn
based. That fat faggot cried over the "lore" of a proc-genned note he found in Fallout 76. Dude should kill himself.

>>736525384
Fuck no. CP2077 sucked all around. Even after the bugs it was still shit. Looked good, sure. But that's it.

>>736525317
Seeing what its changing actually sounds neat, but its Bethsda so its absoloutely smoke and mirrors and not what it says it is
>can now travel between systems and planets without having to just fast travel to orbit at specific locations
This is exactly what I wanted rom a SPACE EXPLORATION GAME TODD, to build a crew, manage resources moving between places so I can keep the ship going and get up to shit on the way, and I expect it to do none of that.
>making animation for a setting that isnt interesting
>"follow the diverse crew of-"
Nah Im good,
>"as they fight space fascists-"
I said Im good, this setting is dry as fuck and lame. They even made the protagonist of the show a black guy and the bad guy is a white guy with the haircut, you know the one. Great writing guys.

>>736555523
>based
not when he was crying over the most cucked shit ever, about how he was being mean when he was ranting about some random landwhale. doesnt matter what you do after that, you are forever a nu-male cuck in my eyes.

>>736555331
>if theres no unique content, so it might as well not exist
Brainlet take. You're probably the first person to cry about a world being empty but the second they keep stuff in for worldbuilding you cry about that too. Like I said, Beighen has a unique layout, it has lore it has unique environmental storytelling which isn't something copy paste poi's have. Just because you can't into it doesn't mean others don't. I hated Starfield for it's copy paste shit and didn't get that sense at all with Crimson Desert, quite the opposite, it's actually impressive the amount of unique details pretty much every settlement and it's industries has.

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>>736525317
maybe bethesda should take notes and give starfield an anime. CD Projekt's "engoodening" didn't involve delivering the promised RPG depth. they just fixed the worst bugs. the game still feels like a far cry/borderlands in a lifeless urban wasteland. bethesda could do something similar to hype up their mediocre game

>>736555883
Cyberpunk is a cool setting with shaky execution in a game, the anime worked there because people wanted to see more of the cool setting. Starfield is a lame setting with lame characters, I dont know why an anime would fix this or what they can even do.

>>736555859
>keep stuff in for worldbuilding
what the FUCK is worldbuilding good for if you don't reinforce it with UNIQUE CONTENT motherfucker, are you incapable of reading or are you so simple you dont understand the issue that is the state of the copypastedness in the game. you unironically guffaw over unique "dirt" like a fucking retard and then claim it's world building to change the landscape texture's base texture. also there is nothing "world building related" in beighen, it's the same generic village the game is full of, a fishing village with some farms. the border between hernand and demeniss which has old battlefields is actual world building and environmental storytelling, you fucking brainlet bitch

>>736555120
I’m trying to get my fucking clothing creations to work
Havent been able to figure out the new cruise mode shit either
Game tells you fucking nothing.

>>736555331
You never saw the moonwalking robot outside of delesyia castle did you
You’re a fag btw

>>736556269
>game tells you nothing
>first thing i see when i got on my ship is the cruise mode tutorial
you probably turned tutts off

Starfield is dead for one simple reason :
>modders gave up on it

Two and a half year later, it still has less mods than Morrowind and the daily amount of mods releasing is about on par with Morrowind too

It's over. Period.

>>736556378
Morrorwind chads keep on winning

>>736556378
>it's over
no it isnt. Starkino is BACK

>>736556372
I’m just going to turn off all creations. This stupid dogshit game never works.

>>736556378
Dragons Dogma 2 has a more active modding scene which I didnt see coming. I think Bethesda really thought modders would come in and make the game for them but hte foundation is just not interesting. Its one of the most boring sci fi settings I can recall.
>talk about how theres some war with mechs and lots of factions that have different ideals and methods to reach them
>"nah, this takes place after that, youre the chosen one by the way, run around in peace time talking to minorities about their feelings"
What the fuck, set it during the war you idiots, this game is so fucking boring.

>>736556351
a dancing robot doing a wacky animation isnt "unique content" you dumb bitch

>>736556378
starfield's modding scene moved to bethesda's creation store instead of nexus. Even on Nexus the number of mods it has is pushing it upwards into the top 10. Saying it has no mods is wrong, you clearly have not checked out the scene for years.

>>736556621
DD2 has far less mods on nexus than Starfield though
But I did notice more people talking about DD2 mods because a lot of them are quite impactful mostly due to the skill customization mod
Meanwhile starfield must be full of minor fixes or shit
Starfield's saving grace would have been loverlab but nobody is developing porn for it. Just imagine making sex slave ships and kidnapping women from random planets.

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>>736525384
>clowned on because it ran like shit and was filled with bugs
I'm tired of reading this statement from people who either didn't play the game on launch or played it on console
the game was perfectly playable from end to finish with 0 game breaking bugs
was it as good as it was on launch as it is now? no
was it an absolute shitshow? no, unless you played it on console

>>736556704
Actually it is you miserable fat loser, because thats the only place in the game he is and hes showing off to his friends. Thats called environmental storytelling and its the EXACT kind of content people glaze old bethesda titles for.
You’re a stupid cocksucker who thinks your arbitrary definitions and standards matter to anyone else.
They don’t, fuck off.

>>736556727
I did check it and it's behind morrowind, that's a fact. Morrowind has more mods and less downloads overall too which is hilarious, there are less fucking modders on Morrowind. Starfield is the first game to break Bethesda's trend of increased mod support, every new title had more mods than the previous one. Starfield is dead last.

>>736525317
No the universe/worldbuilding/lore is too shit to begin with

>>736556885
>OH MY HECKING WORLD BUILDING THE FAGGOT NPC AND HIS FAGGOT ROBOT ARE DANCING!
you sound like one of those fucking faggot bitches that starts to söijack when they see the garden gnomes and skeletons all over bethesda game toilets and mistakenly thinks its what the adults call "environmental storytelling" when its literally an anti bethesda joke. now get the fuck out of my thread you obese, dyslexic gook lover.

>>736556139
>Starfield is a lame setting with lame characters, I dont know why an anime would fix this or what they can even do.
just make a war flare up or confine it to one ship where a terramorph attacks. just rip off aliens completely. the setting itself has potential but bethseda made it boring.

>>736557152
You said there is no unique content anywhere. Sorry for embarrassing you and making everyone see how stupid and wrong you are. Must suck.

>>736557561
environmental storytelling isn't unique content any more than splaid out jingles the moon monkey/garden gnome/skeleton arrangements are unique content. fuck off retard.

>>736525317
not while crimson desert is around
and that game is 100% getting big DLCs

>>736557747
buy a fucking ad

>>736525317
it doesnt need one because its already a great game

>>736557747
that game will be completely forgotten in 3 months like e33+stellar blade was

>>736557692
Shut the fuck up nigger, you fucking lost, eat shit.

>>736525384
They never included anything in Cyberpunk that they actually promised. Bugs were fixed, they released an anime to re-generate hype, and made an expansion DLC side story but still never added the cut content back.

>>736557961
>no retort
>angry seething
malding bugman

indian game im afraid

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>still no Direct Storage
WHYYYYY.

I don't have many hours in the game still, but it looks like the update addresses none of my issues with regards to retarded AI pathing, and the menus being aids. Especially the quest vs. starchart. A mod to make the inventory display less stupid is still required.

>>736558112
Implying they could run this on their google play scamstations.

>>736558112
It will be redeemed

Does this game still have absolutely atrocious enemy AI? I swear even when I cranked everything to max difficulty the game still didn't feel challenging and everything was a bullet sponge

>>736525317
All of the companions in Starfield are boring and entirely forgettable. It’s wild how Bethesda went from Fallout 4’s companions, which were very iconic, to Starfield’s literal who’s. The whole dynamic between the corporate republic and cowboy space is entirely disengaging because THEY’RE ALREADY AT PEACE. Like holy shit, imagine if you had the Skyrim Civil War questline but instead of engaging in an actual civil war with conflict and tension, the war was 50 years ago and there’s occasional skirmishes and glaring but that’s it. All of the aliens are unintelligent beasts and the human societies have no atmosphere to them. The entirety of space is settled, literally called “The Settled Systems” with the only thing of interest to discover are barren rock. The only aspect of the game that is remotely engaging is the space ship customization, which is ruined by the fact that you can’t customize the interior of the ship and only the exterior. Even the outpost system is mechanically botched and unintuitive, because the resources acquired from outposts cost you monumentally less and can be found at major venders.. so it ends up being an extremely expensive and time consuming process that ends up not being worth it in the long run since you’re just reinventing the wheel. In Fallout 4, settlements were basically a poorly communicated get rich quick scheme that was mechanically worth it due to how difficult it is to acquire caps otherwise, so it’s insane how they somehow failed to understand the benefit of their own mechanics from previous titles.

>>736558881
>Andreja
>boring
lol

>>736558948
She talks and walks like an autist

>>736559045
I thought that would make her more relatable for you.

>>736558112
Starfield is white, anon. There's a reason NASA racially segregated to get USA to moon first.

>>736558948
Oh great, a single companion out of the entire roster who isn’t even available until much later in the game is the only tag-along worth mentioning. As if that’s a saving grace somehow. Still doesn’t change how all of the companions have the exact same approval actions and advice copied from each other that it ultimately just doesn’t matter who you take with you because they’re mechanically the same.

>>736559265
>much later in the game
You can get her after the first Constellation quest with Sarah, faggot.

>>736559265
>Andrea
>isn't even available until much later in the game
You've never played Starfield

>>736559687
>You've never played Starfield
seems to be a common trend with these browns seething at our game.

>new DLC is "Very Positive" in English on steam
Todd's done it...

>>736534186
If you failed to have fun with CP2077 combat, then it’s clearly a you problem. I completely abandoned guns in favour of mantis blades + the KYS quick hacks and I had more fun than I ever did with any Bethesda game

>>736559762
Browns are the only ones that played this game more than a few hours. Good work outting yourself Rajesh

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>they lowered the base price of the game from $70 to $50 across all regions
>and just when valve fixed the regional pricing on steam
as it should have been all along
waitfags keep winning

>>736560181
"No, no, saar, you are the indian not me!" Lol cope Akshay.

>>736560194
>lower price
>include new dlc with premium edition without advertising it
is Todd feeling okay?

>>736525317
Starfield is just a bland game, fixing its bugs and polishing it won't change that at best, it is nothing but an idea that sounds superficially cool on paper.
Cyberpunk is clearly overhyped but I don't think it is anywhere near as bland as Starfield.

>>736560434
>include new dlc with premium edition without advertising it
They mentioned it a month ago when they unveiled the update. Too bad the premium upgrade is still a waste of money.

>>736560194
Still not worth. I don't know what this new dlc brings but I guarantee that if you have put the game down in the past, you probably will again for the same reason. The game is ass.

>>736526961
Based
Incredible how so many fags got fed a million lies and still call it a redemption when it takes the dev more than a year to deliver what should've been the bare minimum at release.
No wonder why this industry is beyond fucked. These fags are like battered wives.

>>736525317
no. space skyrim with guns is shit

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>>736560194
Wow, even on PS store, the game is $50
https://store.playstation.com/en-us/product/UP1003-PPSA24884_00-HELIUM0000000000
They'll give a compensation to the ones who bought it earlier on Xbox and Steam, right?
right??

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>>736556825
Your picture is based as hell my friend, I gotta tell you that.

>>736525317
BLAST STATUS?!?!!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvXzcYi3OSc

>>736556727
Which is exactly why the modding scene and game is dead compared to Skyrim and FO4. Paid mods are never going to stick, people are simply going to go back to the games that have free mods in central locations.

Here I was hoping the update would reduce the game's footprint. For something that weights in at 125gb, it sure has a fuckload of repeating assets.