This would have made Abby a lot more sympathetic as a character
>>736529291cuckmann has been ruining games since he started writing for jak with the game that ultimately killed the series. he can't write or design a decent female character to save his shekels
>>736529291Abby basically lost everyone else because she went after Joel, so I wouldn't say it makes it sympathetic. She regrets she lost all her friends since Ellie killed them all.
>>736529291She was willing to kill a woman who was pregnant AFTER finding out she was. She is irredeemable.
>>736529751She didn’t do it, though. Joel admitted to murdering innocent people, something Abby never did
>>736529842Nobody in the first game is innocent, and even less in the second.
>>736529751>but she was le pregnantSo?
>>736530193He murdered innocent people BEFORE the first game, when he was a raider. Maybe play the game before mouthing off like a dumbass
>>736529291TLOU 2's story is stupid, not ONCE does Abby ever apologise for her father being a murderous dictator that killed massive amounts of people in brutal human experimentation, on top of the massive collateral damage the Fireflies cause with their conflicts. TLOU 2 basically spends the whole game insisting TLOU 1 isn't canon and that the Fireflies dindu nuffin.
>>736529291No, there's no salvaging the game as it is with just a single line added or removed.What they should have done is advertise it as an anthology sequel. Following Abbey learning about her in isolation and as an act 2/3 twist, we find out the guy she's been hunting down was Joel.Then it would have been a shocking twist, but Druckmann hated that people identified with Joel and didn't think his strong-black terrorist woman could whip up a super-cure in her rundown hospital as the military was systematically wiping them out.So, he needed him to die in act one. Blowing the narrative load, and causing people who played the first one to instantly hate Abby.
>>736529751Dog eat dog world
>>736529291TLoU is the first zombie movie I ever saw and probably the greatest. It's such a sad emotional story of human condition. Incredibly realistic too, I can totally see people behaving like this at the end of the world. Stunning performance by the actors, it was probably tough to play in such a gut-wrenching story. I doubt TLoU will be ever toped as a cinematic experience.You have no humanity in your soul, if it didn't make you cry or laugh at least once.
>>736530956but what about TLoU2
>>736529291I don't know why cuckmann made Abby so unlikable. Everything about her dad was also the most hamfisted "feel bad yet?" -attempt ever put on screen.
>>736530426>making things up to defend stupid choices by the devs
>>736530426You tell him, sis!
>>736531048He's not a very good writer.He also fired the writer who was good that worked on the first game.
>>736531106>>736531048why did they make some jewish codemonkey into their lead writer in the first place? they should've kept that faggot in the cubicle where he belongs. every single time with kikes it is always some mysterious jump from janitor straight to head of the studio
>>736529291>I should've let goThat's even worse writing. No one sane would let the death of their father go. Ellie didn't and she was right for it. As Bruce pointed out to Neil ages ago, having a character on a cross country hike in a fucking apocalypse with roaming rabid monsters and no consistent sources of energy is itself an inherently stupid concept. The personal battle between Ellie and Abby is flawed at its core and no amount of tweaking fixes the stupid and juvenile script. That said, the game was still great and an easy 9/10. I loved it, even with the bad writing.
>>736531000NTA but TLOU is a summer blockbuster done well, and TLOU2 is an attempt at arthouse done shittily.
>>736529291Far too little far too late. The only way the story could've been salvaged is by killing her.
>>736531106>>736531191He actually wrote the first game himself. Straley never disputed this, and Druckmann has sketches outlining the story going back to 2003.He also always intended to make Joel, Sarah and Ellie White characters, when he really didn’t need to.
>>736530772>her father being a murderous dictator that killed massive amounts of people in brutal human experimentation That didn’t happen, though. According to the logs Ellie finds, they only ever dissected the brains of infected people post-mortem. Ellie was the first case of true immunity they found and the first subject they tried to kill. Even if they had experimented on people, it would have been worth it though. Canonically the vaccine would have worked, and not even Joel ever questions it. Everything else is just headcanon and cope.
>>736529291TLOU is not well written, simple as, not 2, not 1, cormac mccarthy wrote the story first, and reading/watching them back to back will prove how pathetic cuckmann and his writers are.
The tv show's S3 is going to make everyone like Abby If for no other reason than being played by someone people actually want to watchHonestly the whole thing just seems like one long humiliation ritual for Ellie's actress
>>736531450I never liked the last of us at all, so him creating the first game means nothing to me.
>>736529291Yeah no shit she regrets it. This literally happens to every predator that meets a bigger predator. It's a worthless meaningless thing to say when you're at the position of mercy.
Apparently Leftists think TLOU2 is Zionist propaganda
>>736530913*doggy dogftfy
>>736531636yep, it's what ultimately made me realize I'm a bad person. I only regret getting caught and being punished. Luckily, I'm a coward and therefore don't fuck up very often.
>>736530956Watch Shaun of the Dead next.
>>736531057Joel literally says it himself, dumbass. Go play the fucking game and pay attention.
>>736531636That would imply Druckmann was smart to cut it, though
>>736529291>Abby is going to get killed>erm I actually regret my actions nowAbby would still be a piece of shit
>this gamelol
>>736531914>getting revenge on the person who killed your father makes you a piece of shit How cucked do you have to be to believe this? >b-but he was gonna kill Ellie Joel murdered people first.
>>736529751It was baby Hitler
>>736531650why do they always have such large breasts?
>>736532267Chosen by God
>>736529291Not really. A murderer crying crocodile tears when their own life is in danger rings completely hollow
>>736532091Yeah, but I don't give a shit about abooboo or her father
>>736529291Without the attachment to Ellie from having played the first game, Abby is far more of a sympathetic character than she is. TLoU2 Ellie is a turbo cunt. One of the most unlikeable characters in fiction.
>>736533545Why do you give a shit about Joel then? Are you so easily manipulated that being Joel for the first game makes you overlook his actions? Why is it better for Joel to kill people for his love towards Ellie than it is for Abbie to kill people for her love towards her father?
>dead series
>>736532267face of a goblin
>>736530956young zoomers are zoomed
>>736534028I'm pretty sure that anon is memeing about it being a movie game
>>736530913I don't think that applies since if she was selfish she wouldn't have gone on her quest for revenge at all
>>736529291I think a big part of where the resolution ultimately falls flat for me is that there's never a moment where either character ever learns anything about the other and why they did what they did.That's obviously intentional, and everyone is just pissed off and dehumanizing their enemies as a way of coping with grief. But in the end, they both repeatedly spare each other, despite killing fifty people they'd never met that morning. I think there needed to be one scene of forced interaction where they actually had a conversation beyond violence. Like if Ellie had Abby at gunpoint after escaping the slave camp, and she forces them all to escape in the last boat together, where for just a moment she stops and asks, "Why?" And they'd have a moment to actually talk, and remember the people they've lost, and confront what they did to each other as individuals. Then whether Ellie lets her go or shoots her anyway would at least cap off her arc where she either learned to see her enemy as a human, or better cement the fact that she lost everything in the end was because she actually chose revenge above all else.
>>736532267Because horny runs directly opposed to logic and reason and makes you pay attention to things you'd otherwise ignore.
>>736529291it's so much more kino that she never admits it to herself or anyone elsenever have an opinion on writing in games again
>>736529751she wasn't pregnat, i checked
>>736529291She ended up raped and tortured so of course she regrets messing with Joel What would have made her sympathetic would be her simply saying "im sorry"
>>736529291Do trannies think an apology would have been enough? seriously, they should have let players to choose how cruelly you kill her, and the tranny too
>>736534242Fat Geralt the tranny smasher
>>736534242kek what a great gif
>>736529751it's just a clump of cells
>>736534739Nobody ever grows beyond a clump of cells.
>>736535503I'm two clumps of cells.
>>736534118No that'd be awful
>>736533740>Why do you give a shit about Joel then?Because I spend an entire game with him? What kind of retarded question is that?
>>736531450YEAH YEAH
>>736536856How does that change anything about what Joel has done?
>>736531597>tv abby looks more like ellie than tv elliei hate the casting director so much
jewish humiliaton ritual
>>736531597>Honestly the whole thing just seems like one long humiliation ritual for Ellie's actressIt’s intentional, because she’s Christian https://youtu.be/NKfsJidXOcA
>>736537175There’s actually nothing wrong with Jews
>>736534118Sounds like bad fanfic
>>736529291Still funny to me that they made a game about "if you kill your enemies, they win"
>>736531650>lefties hate TLOU>anti-wokes hate TLOUGood, fuck Naughty Dog and fuck Sony for the movie games push. I would pound that jewess though.
>>736529291That's so fucking stupid. One of the few Abby character traits that I liked was that despite the fallout of Joel killing, she never verbally regretted it.
>You know that, uh... Joel? The one I put down, the guy I killed? I want you to know that I'd do it all again. This is a circus, all right? It's a charade, it's an act. It's bullshit about how crazy I am. I ain't crazy! I'm not crazy. Okay? I know what I did. I know who I am. And I do not need your help. I'm smack-dab in the middle of my right goddamn mind, and any scumbag, any... any lowlife, any maggot piece of shit that I put down, I did it... because I liked it! Hell, I loved it!
>>736540928My take away from Abby's story wasn't that she was supposed to regret killing Joel at all. Instead it's more that her adventures with Lev gave her an understanding of why Joel did the things he did and understood that Ellie in their confrontation was her when she met Joel.
>>736534739They could tell the gender of my daughter when she was a blastocyst. You leftists faggots just love murder.
>>736529291>Cultists killed multiple immune people by cracking their head open>Every time they failed to achieve>But this time it would have worked for sure!!1Somehow Joel is the bad guy for saving a girl from these deranged murderers.Top kek how the evil black doctor was retconned into a good white doctor though.
>>736531450>What if TWD game, but they were white so we don't get suedDamn, what a visionary.
>>736541251It's funny because this is actually Jon Bernthal just being his authentic self.I have a homey down St Louis way, bit rough around the edges but a cool cat nonetheless. Did a 5 stretch for manslaughter in 03 but it was self defense.Anyway he used to hoop with JB before he blew up as an actor, the stories he could tell about that crew....my god. Anyway he said Jon wasn't much of a shooter but if he was guardin' you.... yall better watch out. They say he could rebound the basketball like a prime Bill Russell, and if there was anyone you'd want to get a clutch stop in the final seconds, Jon was your man. Even though his jumper needed work, he used to dunk the ball with ease. There's a story about a pick up game that some local gangsters started with JBs crew. A lot of money was put down on it. One of the leaders of the local set pulled a piece at halfcourt cos they thought Jon was a ringer. Things got heated and Jon had to calm things down with his down-to-earth street-wise charm. They got back to playing and JB managed to get the game winning steal after posting a triple double in overtime. They all cracked some 40s afterwards, and it seemed like all was gonna be cool when one of those gangsters made a transphobic comment within earshot of Jon........ i don't want to go into details cos I aint no snitch but let's just say those hoods' playing days are over.
>>736531597Any particular reason they aren't roiding her up?
How can you refute this?Pic related.
>>736542612I'm so bored of the "haha men should go to therapy" meme
>>736533740Killing to save is not the same as killing to avenge. If tlou2 is trying to equate the two it us an evil, vile game.
>>736534118The point is that Ellie hates Abby so much that she doesn't want to understand her, even if it's stupid. It only makes sense when you remember that Druckmann is Jewish.
>>736529751>caring about some random preggo in a post apocalyptic scenario
>>736542612He has a point tho. People shouldn't be parasocial with fictional characters.
>>736542612I also don't get why normalfags care so much about imaginary friends.
>>736542943Nah, that us typical midwittery.People have always gotten attached to fictional characters, that's normal. See how Sherlock Holmes died and people conplained so much Doyle brought him back, two hundred years ago.Fiction is meant to evoke emotions in people. Those that act like they're above it all simply can't visualize the apple.
>>7365425562003, anon.
>>736531650>Apparently Leftists think TLOU2 is Zionist propagandaObviously he would never call it propaganda himself but Neil Druckmann has said numerous times how him being from Israel and the situation and history there influenced his creative decisions. And this was already the case with the first game. Apparently the ending with Joel saving Ellie was inspired by some Israeli hostage getting traded for hundreds of Palestinian prisoners. And the second game was inspired by a video of Palestinians torturing captured IDF soldiers.
>>736542585i think because having her arms be bigger than her torso is now considered a regrettable decision by everyone except druckmann
>>736543060>See how Sherlock Holmes died and people conplained so much Doyle brought him backThose people were also retarded.
>>736529291trash game form a pozzed studio
>>736529291>regretswhat's next? accountability?
>>736543457It doesn't fix anything tho.
>>736542713The fireflies are not the only people Joel killed, and it wasn't Joel's decision to make in the first place, it was Ellie's, and she was on board with going ahead with the procedure.
>>736529751>based when healthcare does it though Libtard moment KEK
>>736529751Ellie murdered Abby's pregnant friend>but she didn't...LE KNOW that she was pregnant so it was ok!!!Abby doesn't know the specific contrivances that led to Ellie driving her knife into Mel's neck, all she knows is that she's dead on the floor
>>736545768>The fireflies are not the only people Joel killedI'm not sure why you guys got this new talking point from but that's completely irrelevant. >suicide is ok, you have nk right to stop someone from killing themselves!Tlou2 fans are evil, vile people.
>>736545768>it was Ellie's, and she was on board with going ahead with the procedureThey never woke her up. Fireflies literally couldn't give less of a fuck if they had her consent.
>>736529751
>>736542560This is incredibly cringe. Do not ever post again.
>videogame>storylol
>>736531479>Canonically the non-existent vaccine would have workedThat's not how canon works, this is pure head-canon because Joel knew the Fireflies were full of shit and put them in their place.
>>736529291I'm not sure if it's the writing but I don't know what the fuck this dialogue is trying to say.
>>736548081Basically: The writer didn't want to kill off his tranny baby despite making him out to be a despicable asshole, but even a last line of defense was cut in favor of him being irredeemable.
I find TLOU2 to be incredibly overrated and its fanbase the most braindead drones that make even Kojima fans seem like normal people in comparison, but I never got the hate for Abby. If she’d had just been designed like a normal woman, people would’ve fallen in love with her. She’s a tragic character and her dynamic with Ellie and how it’s handled in the game is great, but everyone is too busy arguing about le heckin trannies or le heckin chuds. But I guess Druckman, being jewish, only cares about seeing goyim fight one another, so I guess he got what he wanted. What a labor of hate this game is kek. Literally never seen a single positive thing to come out of this game’s existence
>>736548415>Murders her father in front of her>"I should have killed you, too!">Kills her friends in a cycle of retaliation that she feels 100% right inIt's just poorly written and makes no sense if the message is "revenge bad" because neither ever feel bad about their decisions and Abby doesn't even deal with the consequences for the majority of her play time.BUT SUDDENLYIt's bad.That's the conclusion.Revenge bad.
>>736548607ah, the GTA IV approach>gun down 900 people to get to the bad guy>choice to spare him so you dont end up just like him or something
>>736548982At least Niko is set up as someone who kills for a living and knows it's all he's good for.
>>736548982Difference between shooting people that are shooting you and shooting someone who has surrendered.
>>736548982>Play like a psycho>Get psycho ending>Play like a pacifist>Get pacifist ending>etcWhy is it so rare for games to acknowledge the way player interacted with the game world?Is it only because devs are too retarded to figure out a way of making their games fun without killing bazillion enemies?
>>736549294Too lazy, MGSV did it passively, and even as shit as it was no game can come close to the interactivity it has except for point and clicks
>>736548045>what you say is pure head-canon, because my head-canon is trueJoel didn‘t know shit, joel never thought the vaccine would not work. He didn‘t care, that‘s the whole point of the story you fucking faggot. How far would you go to save someone you love. No note in the entire game says it wouldn‘t work. It‘s just>b-but people are already bad and how how to do le logisticsFucking faggot, even beeing able to create only a dozen of people, who are immune to the biggest threat of humanity would give you the fucking upperhand. And if you even want to spin this to the real world, none of it would even happen as humans would very quickly invent tons of counter measures against the infected.
>>736549636Where is it stated in the first game that the vaccine would 100% work guaranteed?
>>736549636In what fucking canon do they make a vaccine by killing Ellie?
>>736531650Leftists think that about everything
>>736529751>NOOOO NOT LE HECKIN FETURINOGet a grip
>>736529842The only reason she didn’t is because Lev was watching
>>736548415It’s because Cuckmann is emotionally manipulating the player to feel bad for Abby in the most heavy handed way imaginable, rather than do anything that would make players naturally like her.
>>736529291The context in this implies she's just trying to manipulate Ellie, doesn't it? Why would that make her more sympathetic?
>>736529291I don’t care about Kneel and his Israel Palestine meets TWD fanfiction.
>>736529291Giving her big tits, not be on roids, not be a playable character, not murder Joel, and be a love interest would have made her more sympathetic.
>>736542612>>736542943>>736543478>you should care to buy but not enough to complain
>>736531650Hideous nose.
>>736529291This is just manipulation.
>>736542612Maybe he should go to therapy instead of using millions of dollars to make liveleak simulators, and crying about Palestine and the Holocoster.
>>736549294I think a part of it is the idea that if you make two different endings then the majority of players will probably only see one, so the ending they didn't see is essentially 'wasted' dev time and thus money and time they could've spent on something else or just saved.
>>736551269Why are you looking at her face? Faggot.
>>736529291I don't see how this is supposed to make me despise her slightly less.
>>736549880Druckmann's headcanon
>>736542503Eh, lighting in the scene was bad, but he seemed more jeet than black in the original.More hilarious that they reconned the cleanliness of the room from "Truckstop bathroom" to "pristine modern hospital."
>>736551759The majority won't get to see any ending anyway, just look at statistics.If games weren't so bloated with "content" by turning every franchise into open world garbage you will replay those games more often.Making a game with multiple endings isn't that hard unless you also want to spawn multiple sequels. But it's often clearly the intent to make games like movies, so linear storytelling, even graphics are made to look "cinematic". Waste of time on both ends, next time just make a movie.
>>736551042Genuinely funny shit. You carve through goons like butter but Druckmann only really cares if it's in Abby's close personal circle. Almost as though he expects you to only care about a special small sect of people and everyone else can be collateral. Guess that's where the Zionist inspiration comes from
>>736548415Shes just a relentless murderer with no real redemption because the whole point is if she wanted to be a better person and atone she'd basically not do anything that'd involve murdering people. She cant be a great or an interesting person because deep down she's a Ryona fetish murder is bad cummed on sock puppet. Abby is just murder minded, she was never going to be more than appeasing words to those around her while basically a raided out terminator snapping jaws and breaking skulls.
>>736534242So that kid instantly died, right?
TLOU2 is the ultimate midwit filter
>>736553535Nope. The tranny child is still alive.
>>736553585You were intelligent you'd be able to justify your statement.
>>736529291I mean. Yeah. She definitely regrets it whether she says it or not. Her revenge directly lead to all her friends being killed.Honestly they should have done the OBVIOUS thing and started the game with Ellie on her revenge tour. We don't know why, we just know she's hell bent on killing everyone in this group. Then before we find out/the end of pre-timeskip, it cuts to Abby's part of the game, but we don't find out that she killed Joel the last confrontation which flashes back to the beginning where she kills Joel.
>>736529751Huh? I haven't played the game since it came out, but I'm fairly sure Ellie didn't find out the chick was pregnant until after she was shanked. There was the whole scene where she opens her jacket and sees the baby bump while she's bleeding out on the ground.
>>736554578>She definitely regrets it whether she says it or not.This is never really shown in the game, she always gives off the vibe of "I'd do it again"
>>736529291i disagree. it would've only made me think she was saying that either because she wanted to live and escape with Lev or because she regretted losing everyone and everything that came after killing Joel, not actually because it didn't fix her or make her feel better or some other correct reason for not wanting revenge.
>>736531106lol yeah. It made a lot of sense after finding out the first game was written by someone else and Part 2 was written by Cuckman.
>>736542612>they're not realWhat about complaining about minors in anime?
>>736542612>you only dislike TLOU2 because you loved JoelNo? I disliked it because it's a piece of shit, I couldn't give two fucks about Joel, the game still could have been good with him being killed.
>>736554371i gesture vaguely at this entire thread
>>736529291I think the real problem here is that the first game was manly as fuck since it was about a depressed man in his 40s/50s risking everything to protect a child in a corrupted world after being corrupted himself, that was his redemption.The second game is literally teenage lesbian commando bullshit, you can't get any more gay than that, like replacing James Bond with a feminist bitch.
>>736531650>>736532267>tfw no khazar milkers in my faceIf JIDF want me to praise Israel they need to stop paying people to shitpost and just send me one of these.
>>736554783At least without the line I can respect Abby for sticking to what she did. When you put yourself in Abby's shoes for five seconds, you gain a lot more sympathy for her. If someone gunned my dad down like a dog, I wouldn't stop until everyone involved was in the ground. Abby's just not a likable character, which is the biggest issue with the game. Ellie is the bigger person by the end for understanding that revenge is not what Joel would want for her and realizing that it isn't going to make her feel better.
>>736529751maybe she should have done it, dina is a fugly bitch anyway
>jewish misery porn featuring lesbians with top surgeryyou can keep it snoys
>>736555545>I wouldn't stop until everyone involved was in the groundAnd when putting several people in the ground resulted in your close friends getting whacked you'd keep going? You'd make sure to kill everyone involved like some kind of action hero?
>>736529291She doesn't need to say it you fucking retard. She found Lev. Lev is her Sarah/Ellie. Reason and purpose to live. That how you're supposed to ease and warm into her character. The one she should be regretting about is leaving Owen in the first place, and including him (and Mel) in her cause. Owen to her was like Tommy to Joel, the anchor to reality, against her deluded fantasy (her vengeance), which she scrapped off and walked away / out of. In the case of Joel, Tommy walked out of their lives, but Joel could've easily mend that if he sheds off his ego. Ellie did the same thing, walking away from Dina, essentially abandoning her and the baby, all chances for a remaining "good" life, just to seek vengeance for Joel, on Abby. Cause and effect, they all had fucking nightmares and PTSD, Joel from losing Sarah, Abby from losing ber father, Ellie from Joel. Tommy even had it earlier, during his days as raiders / thugs led by Joel, hence the separation early on. And then he gets it again, seeing he was in the same fucking room as Ellie when they killed of Joel. Joel would never got to the WLF in Seattle, if it weren't for fucking Ellie. He was trying to save her, physically, and also like her soul, from the abyss.
>>736557231The whole fucking thing, Abby's journey with Lev, that was her redemption, it was her spiritual walk. Pretty ironic it was the "bad guy" that went through awakening first. Ellie's second hunt for Abby was her spiritual walk, awakening, she got it later than Abby. Lev was already spiritually awakened, because he/she was the anomaly in her cult, the one that understood the Prophet's teaching, the most. Pure, untainted, by the fanatic skewing of the Seraphites. """""Saving""""" Ellie was Joel's "redemption" arc, spiritual awakening of sorts, but it was neither divine or spiritual. It was a self-aware and pretentious effort, a selfish act of trying to find absolution of some kind, absolved, forgiven, for his past. A second chance to life, or maybe even after life (karmic score etc). He did it for himself, a selfish act, unlike the selfless acts of Abby/Lev/Ellie of letting go.
>>736557231>>736557285Fireflies made these posts
>>736557231>>736557285Dumbest shit I've ever read.
>>736531048That's also everything about Joel. Why would anyone care for the guy anyway? Cause he just happens to be the MC in our POV? Joel is a fucking scum, he's worse than a collaborator or a rat. He's a fucking smuggler, doing everything and anything for valuable cargo, for the highest bidder. He was a fucking raider killing innocent travellers before it, dragging Tommy with him. He tried to justify it as MUH FUCKING SURVIVAL. Joel and Tess had no real association with anyone or any faction, they'll do anything to MUH FUCKING SURVIVE and shit. Both of them treated Ellie purely as valuable cargo, and Joel even hated her for most of the early to mid part in the game. Tess only begged him to proceed with the journey, because she was afraid. She was dying and she knew she and Joel are pieces of shit destined for hell. It's like bargaining for her soul to be saved. Maybe if they saved Ellie perhaps she gets her karmic score cleansed so she could fucking die and go to fucking heaven. Joel saw the same fucking opportunity and the ok it. This is my ticket to heaven, also she reminds me of my daughter. I can relive my lost past life that was robbed off me. It's a fucking double win. In the fucking show they made Show Joel more likable. Pascal portrayal is more like Part II Game Joel. Old, sickly, puppy-eyed dog looking for forgiveness kind of shit. Fucking bullshit. Part I Game Joel is a fucking scummy egotestical selfish nigger. Same with Ellie. Part II Game Ellie is more matured. Somehow in the Show, Season 2 Ellie is more annoying than both Season 1 and fucking Part 1, like annoying little retarded fucking brat, like, actual sperging little fucking autistic fuck. Even Part 1 Game Ellie wasn't as annoying of a smartass as the fucking sperging autist as Bella Ramsey portrayed.
>>736558381I read this and it was not worth it
>>736531479Let the delusional retards have it. Joel supporters are like BLM dindu supporters, you know. Same people that justifiy and idolize fucking Joker and Walter White, despite being the big bad.
>>736558381>Why would anyone care for the guy anyway? Cause he just happens to be the MC in our POV?yesthe average gamer can only empathise with protagonists and only when they can project themselves into the role which is why people get so fucking mad when games have women or black people or gay people in them and especially when the protag is a black lesbianthe average person has no introspection and assumes they're good so they go "me good, protag me, protag good" and that's literally the beginning and ending of their analysis no matter what happens in the story
>>736559097Exactly. Joel was the lowest of low, a fucking scum. Shittiest piece of shit. Murdering raider turned smuggler for highest bidder with no morals. Lower than FEDRA, Firefly, even the fucking Seraphites. Absolutely no fucking value and no redeeming arc. Saving Ellie was a selfish act, not a selfless one. He saw Sarah in her, rob her of her own will, choices, and lied flat to her face. Robbed Hope off the entire world too. Just so he could have a second chance, in life (Sarah replacement) and afterlife/metaphysical, like this act is supposed to be his redeeming ticket, like a karmic cleansing act, so he could be absolved, go to heaven and erase his fucking past mistakes etc. no, fuck Joel. He deserved that brutal death.
>>736537308>Christian women look like this>>736538712>Jewish women look like thisI'm starting to see where all the resentment of Jews is coming from
>>736559563Even game Dina mogs game Ellie (face models).They actually made TLOU2 Ellie model looking closer like Ashley Johnson, the VA. And the VA actually looks like Ramsey lol. Her playing Ellie/Ramsey's mom in the show is neat. They do look alot, round head, big forehead, big face, long lower face, square jaw and prominent chin lol. She really pulled off looking like her mother in the show.
>sudden concentrated effort to shit on JoelI'm noooticing this new line of argumentation in the NPCs. Weird how it never came up when the game released, or in the many many threads before.
>>736542612>ruining the whole thing by inserting your pseudo-progressive real world bullshit>don't you know the difference between fiction and reality? you need therapyIt's always projection with these faggots.
>>736560110Joel being evil was always discussed since the first game. You're a summer newfag. The same NPCs that have Walter White pictures as their avatar online, social media, forum etc and circlejerk in their circles and grouls about how MUH BADASS Walter White was. (Protip: he's not, he's the biggest egotestical villain the show).
>>736560567You won't rewrite history, retard, anyone can just go and check the archives. No one ever mentioned Joel's past, only that he should have let the girl die.
>>736529291theres a reason its so hatedthe idea wouldve worked if he told a redemption story and not a hamfisted lol bro ur bad cus white and not liberal ass clown fest
>>736531650because it is, lesbian daughter, father killed by tranny, cant touch the torah, lesbian daughter doesnt kill trannyniel cuckman is a faggot
>>736560634>no ustop watching animay faggot. you look up the archives. his past and traits are always brought up in these arguments, IT'S IN THE FUCKING GAME>Tess saying we're shitty people Joel>Joel saying I've been on both sides>Tommy saying I've nightmares because of youall three above always comes up in these threads, always, like fucking take a hint already, the game is directly telling you Joel was a menace, a fucking monster. He still is, up until the day he died. Even in his death he still haunts people around him, Tommy, Ellie, giving them nightmares etc, that's how toxic Joel is, he was a menace in the past and Part I, and even in Part II, he was guilt tripping people, begging for forgiveness. Even in the Show, he's bad news and shits up the place, Jackson, to Maria, even to the fucking shrink pysch that had to validate his shit. Him pushing off Seth lol. Bill didn't like him, not in game, nor in the show. Fucking Henry and Sam died, Tess died. Pretty much everyone they met, every place they get to, gets fucking destroyed.
>>736560110You're noticing that a rogue druckmann shill got loose, that's it
>>736561079>but i love it when Kojima does it
>>736561278Joel has seen both sides but nowhere is it stated that he's outright a monster.
>>736561343name the game
>>736561343Oh right, Kojima made a jew simulator, forgot about that one!
>>736557231>Lev>That how you're supposed to ease and warm into her characterIssue here is that Lev is such a fucking awful noncharacter that their pairing fails to showcase any chemistry compared to smth like joel+ellie.
>>736561437Him (and Tess) nonchalantly popping heads without any remorse retard. His torturing / interrogation skill you fucking retard. Game and show both do it.
>>736548607That is what never made sense about the dogshit writing, the story starts with Abby just being at her revenge destination with no plan, yet randomly bumbling down a mountain alone and through a zombie horde into the perfect revenge setup anyway. Joel would've had to stumble into a pile of ropes and tie himself up to make it any more convenient. And then the story sets Ellie down the path of suffering to get there at all while creating the consequences for Abby in the first place and then revenge is suddenly bad.
>>736561624Oh, so it's okay when Abbie and Ellie kill hundreds (with intent) but Joel is a monster for doing the same?
Zombies?
>>736561624nta complete fucking nonsense headcanon to justify what is done to Joel in Cuckman's tumblr fanfiction sequel, when the whole point of the first game was that Joel was always of gray morality and he rediscovers his old self from before everything went to shit through Ellie, starting him down the path of redemption. He was never secretly a monster.
>>736531650A wife with khazar milkers was promised to me 600 years ago
>>736547527>It's completely irrelevant that Joel was a literal murderer that preyed on innocentsAh yes, the willful ignorance special
>>736562341What innocents did he prey on? The ones supplying guns and drugs?
>>736562457>Shortly after Sarah's death, Joel found himself in a triage clinic after making it to the highway. He witnessed how families had been torn apart and how much chaos had erupted in the world. While there, he considered taking his own life but was unable to, finding something to fight for. However, what he found was worth fighting for was something his brother, Tommy, greatly disliked. Over the years, the pair survived by descending into a sinister way of life. Joel deceived and killed innocent people, becoming a hunter. He adopted tactics such as tricking passersby into thinking he was hurt so he could ambush them when they let their guard down.
>>736563125You say prey on innocents as if he's doing it at Walmart. He got into the Hunters, but he wasn't attacking people for fun. He's not a monster, which is the whole reason Ellie was able to change him so easily.
>>736563640>Killing innocent people is okay if you change afterward when you adopt a surrogate daughter for your own cope>But killing that man is an unforgivable crimeAlright then. Good to know Joelfags are completely deranged
>>736561582Awful pair? It's the opposite sides working together. Wolves vs. Scars. WLF vs. Seraphite. Putting off their indifferences. They were literally walking on the fence, treading on the border line between the WLF / Seraphite territories. They purposely entered infested zone to avoid WLF/Seraphite detection. Because that's where the true enemies lie, the fucking "demons" against humanity. Lev taught Abby to pace herself, find clarity, the inner peace obscured by her raging wrath. Showed her the true teaching of the Prophet. Helped her manage her fear of height, and opening up to others, earning trust and placing trust on others. Same way around. Abby helped Lev out of the cave, out of the skewed fanatic cult teaching. Teaching him/her common sense, knowledge of the "outside" world despite Lev having the spiritual wisdom. Help him overcome not the fear of height, but rather, the use of "technology" ie every tools and hardware out there that arent stick and stones, so everything beyond wooden / analog shit. Abby/Lev's journey has more spiritual value than Joel/Ellie hey let's crack up MCU quips and Reddit puns along the way le funni XD!! shit.In Part III Lev will play the biggest role. He will become the Prophet, ala Morpheus, rallying the masses, to fight for Ellie's cause. Ellie is going to be sickly and dying and needs help along the way. Abby is going to be their sword and shield on the frontline. She attac but also protecc.
>>736563748The big bad in Part III is the Cabal. The Elites who were hiding the whole time. Think Fallout's Enclave. The Luminaddy, Freemasons etc. Shadow government. POTUS. They were the one that designed the cordyceps mutation in the first place, to cull the world population, while also hoping to find a new strain of DNA or genes capable of fighting it, a new forced evolutionary being by inoculation, which happens to be Ellie. The elites would want Ellie for themselves, her DNA strain and genes engineered and imparted into their own, essentially creating a new lineage of elites that can survive the future, closer to transcendence.They're going to have a machine like a capsule that would trap Ellie's body and vaporize her, atomizing her and turning her into essentially vaccines for the elites to partake. So it's like some vampiric shit or like how they "consume Gods", theophagy, like the Eucharist. They also prepared a nuke to finally level the world, killing all remaining normie humans and zombois. So only the elite bloodlines remain to repopulate Earth.This is what they'll be fighting against in Part IIi. So somehow they managed to defeat them, all thanks to Abby and her exoskeleton suit (which she perished inside during the finale) and Lev is now a technomancer, which is ironic, but he is now a super genius when it comes to technology, and managed to hack into both the vaccinator / atomizer AND the orbital space nuke thingamajig, and combined it becomes a terraforming atmospheric "bomb". So they shoved Ellie into the rocket and oaunch her into space. She exploded into atoms and her DNA strain mixes with atmosphere and it neutralizes all the spores around the world, all the cordyceps crawling roots etc even water sources like rain and river, underground shit etc, killing the motherload of all zombie roots, and killing all the infected around the world in single fucking day. Why the fuck are you still reading this.
>>736563737As opposed to killing people for fun like in 2? Abby wasn't hunting Joel to live, it was for personal gain.
>>736529751Didn't Ellie literally kill a pregnant woman and her heckin' pupperino?
>>736563850Abby was hunting Joel because Joel did something to warrant that. If Joel hadn't killed her father, Abby would not have gone after him.Joel, on the other hand, killed people he did not have any affiliation with, complete strangers that he ambushed on the road just to loot their corpses. This is what you are arguing is more moral than seeking retribution.
>>736563975Seeking retribution means slitting a pregnant woman's throat, and being not only fine with it, but wanting to do it.If people hadn't stopped them, Ellie's entire crew would have been wiped out for the sole reason of being there.
>>736564123Yeah, what Abby did was wrong. That was never contested. But what was contested is that not only is Abby justified in seeking retribution (towards Joel, not anyone else), but that Joel has no moral high ground to stand on.
>>736564279Joel doesn't need a ground to stand on when you realize that Abby killed him because her father was going to kill a girl for literally no reason, and when confronted pulled a knife on Joel.
>>736563748Here's a tip autist-kun: Characters being likeable has fuckall to do with them being morally good people.I honestly think Abby has potential to be likeable but she really needs a more proactive partner to bring out her personality. The combination they went with is painfully awkward (obviously on purpose) but they don't put in the time to develop it to the point where the viewer would warm up to the two.
>>736564123it's funny how people get more outraged over Abby threatening to kill a pregnant woman (but not doing it) than Ellie ACTUALLY murdering a pregnant woman. right-wing morality really is totally selective
>>736564502Ellie: didn't knowAbby: upon finding out, decided it was better that way
>>736561946It's a dog eat dog dystopian apocalyptic world. EVERYONE'S A PIECE OF SHIT. That's what normal people with actual brains thought of the fucking game/show. No one is defending Abby or Ellie or whatever, everybody knows it's a nonstop destructive path, neverending cycle of revenge and pain and misery porn. You get that? The issue here are the Joel sympathizers trying to justify his actions. Joel defenders. Everybody deserved what they got in the game / show, including AND ESPECIALLY FUCKING JOEL.Just so happens the same Joel sympathizers/ defenders are also the same crybaby whining about Abby getting away etc. >Real human >Understood the cause and effect domino shit>"Oh so everyone deserved it">NPC>BUT WWAAH JOEL IS MC JOEL IS HERO>BWAAAH JOEL DID NOTHING WRONG JOEL DINDU>WEEEHH ABBY SUX HATE ABBY KILL ABBY>REEEEEE KEKMANN SUX JEW JEW JEW Do you see the pattern? It's the a fucking ez media to get, to understand to absorb to dissect etc, pretty straightforward. it's the Joel whiny babies that are shitting the community / universe.
>>736564554Abby doesn't know that Ellie didn't know, all she knows is that Ellie murdered her pregnant friend and saying "I didn't know" wouldn't fly in court, ellie broke into that room and started waving a gun in Owen and Mel's faces while threatening to torture and kill them
>>736564573Joel does bad outside the story, and we spend the game seeing him try to make things right.Meanwhile, knowing nothing about Abby, she does nothing but awful shit the entire game.
>>736564428It's all but canon that the fireflies managed to develop a cure, though. And would likely have succeeded faster if they had gone ahead with the procedure, which I must remind you once again that Ellie was totally on board with.
>>736564656The intent of the characters is the point here, and Ellie actually feeling bad makes her a saint compared to Abby.
>>736564691He doesn't spend the game "trying to make things right". What he is doing is fawning over a surrogate for his dead daughter. His motivations are entirely selfish, even during the events of the game.
>>736564752Joel apologists actively lobby for a dumber story because their NPC brains can't handle moral complexity. They NEED the cure to not work, because they NEED Joel to be unambiguous epic hero dad saving his daughter from evil doctors who were going to murder a kid for no reason, because they're afraid to admit they'd let the world die to save their own - even when the story is advocating for that viewpoint and that what Joel did is only what any father would have done
>>736564752>It's all but canonSo it's not true at all?
>>736561789Play the fucking game faggot, don't just watch the show. It's emphasized over and over again in Abby's POV that she was hunting Joel and they planned for it, from the start. From the flashbacks etc, playthrough, over and over again, she was keeping tabs, from radio and hearsay of smugglers / traders on the road etc, maps etc, and often talked to Owen about it, in her flashbacks, in the present time etc. She was tracking him for 4-5 years, at the same time, joining the WLF and getting military training, using their resources, equipments, intelligence and finally gathering and assembling a group of other trained militants like her, her own closest friends. Abby is the one with actual military training. Not the fucking Operation Darude Sandstorm switcheroo they did in the fucking Show with fucking Tommy being a vet.
fuck Joel, fucking nigger had it coming.I'm glad he got his head caved in by a golf club.faggot ruined a potential cure for the world.
>>736564810only a bad faith actor impotently crying over epic gruff gamer dad dying would think that Abby shows no remorse for her actions and that she NEVER does any good deeds
>>736565049Her good deeds involve killing everyone in the area.But I suppose it's fine since it's Abby, and they had it coming.
i literally saw this on sale but skipped it anyway and purchased shantae pirates curse and fairy tale deluxe edition instead because thats how bad this game sucksim mad that the leaks happen but desu im happy that it did happen so i could avoid the travesty that the story in part 2 isseven years of waiting for bullshitfuck this game
Do you retards realize that there is no dramatic gravitas to the ending of TLOU1 if it is assumed that the Fireflies were unable to create a cure? It's no longer a moral dilemma nor something that Joel would have to hide from Ellie if it was a done deal that the cure was a pipe dream.
I want to remind people that TLoU story wasn't complete garbage only because there as one other guy there to tell cuckman to fuck off. Same guy wasn't present on TLoU and we all know where that went.The next game is going to be a massive failure as well, probably cementing cuckmans reputation as a failure
>>736565218There's no fucking cure retard, they were going to cut open a girl and dig through her brain for what?They were a hillbilly lab and could never have done anything.
>>736530426irrelevant, the army itself kills people who try to smuggle literally anything into the "safe zones" or kill anyone trying to leave, they kill people who are simply "planning" on leaving tooJoel being a "raider" means nothing, he wasn't just some bandit scav, he was a smuggler who did smuggling and killed while doing it
>>736565218It's not that you assume they're unable to, it's just that you don't assume it's a certain thing. That's not the scenario. The scenario is it worth killing someone to MAYBE save humanity.
>>736565330He was literally part of a hunter group and is explicitly mentioned to have ambushed and murdered innocent people.
>>736531479>find the FIRST PERSON EVER with dormant fungus in their brain>no proper blood tests, these take time>no proper scans, the machine takes time to power up>no proper surgery prep, they're doing brain surgery while she's lying down on a table, the brain will literally flop right out>no proper storage for the brain, no proper tools for cracking open a skull, the room has terrible lighting>no masks to prevent infection in case the fungus suddenly re-activates once it leaves the brain and into open air>doctor who could save dozens upon dozens more lives by living as a surgeon proceeds to suicide by Joelactual retarded scene written and directed by retards who wanted drama with 0 thought put into itthe fireflies are a terrorist organization that has frequently bombed safe zones and they have collectables all centered around the DUMB SHIT THEY DO AND THEN DIE FROM
>>736565485link said lines, he was a smuggler only
>>736530426>not only does sshit in a sequel need to be justified by shit that happened before the prequel>but youre also telling me its the justification for someone who has no personal beef with nor knows joellmao ok druckman, what a hamhanded way of insisting upon your torture pornfucking 40k is better written, at least there im having fun
>"All I can say is, our intent was that they would have made a cure — that makes the most interesting philosophical question for what Joel does."Joelfags in shambles. Cue the "doesn't count because I don't like it" replies.
>>736542585cuz katlyn dever is cute afif isabella can be, than so can dever
>>736565218Yeah but how do you expect the player to believe that the fireflies would be able to make a cure if everything else points against the fact?>no proof showing that they have any leads>no signs of qualifications>no real equipment to do the task>going to kill the only person with immunity because????Do you also drive to a garbage dump and hand over your car to the 3 indians living there expecting them to do an engine swap on your car? Fucking retard
>>736565578t. Neil Cuckmann
>>736537308Yeah, the sort of (((Christian))) who subscribes to every progressive policy and toys around with identifying as non-binary herself. She's not Christian, she's Cringestian.
>>736565805as opposed to your average evangelical christian, who worships capital and the state of Israel?
>>736565602If that's the best and, more importantly, only chance of getting my engine swapped? Absolutely I would take it to the pajeets. The alternative is continuing to have a busted car.It is understandable that Joel would choose to want to save Ellie, but it doesn't make it right. Even if there was just a 0.1% chance of developing a cure, it would be worth it if the cost of trying was a singular life against the survival of the entire species.
>>736565578He should have made the game reflect that better then. Death of the author and all that.
>>736565889No, as opposed to me, a based trad-Cath who attends Latin mass and would never, never, never ever support or partake in any sort of degeneracy.
>>736565602it's weird how joelfags only get very pedantic and in the weeds about the realism of the setting with this very specific issue of developing and distributing a cure
>>736565929That would make sense if they didn't immediately prep her for surgery after she just finished drowning.There needs to be blood tests done in proper time, the machine they use to scan brains needs time to power up, the surgery prep they use is completely wrong for brain surgery that could have been found out with 2 seconds of researchthis entire scene was half-assed and probably done on the fly because it makes 0 sense in every conceivable way>joel is late, they don't know where ellie is, they can't have the brain scan machine powered 24/7>Ellie finally shows up but she's unconscious due to drowning, the men who capture you knock out an UNARMED MAN who is PERFORMING CPR ON A CHILD NEAR WATER, which they probably did nothing to help>They don't even wait for ellie to wake up and give consent, they are now 100% kidnappers and murderers, FACTUALLY>they don't close Joel's deal and tell him to fuck off after stealing what meager supplies and weapons he has, fireflies once again proving their retardation by breaking a deal>all of this could have been avoided if they just let Ellie wake up and consent but instead we have this gay ass game where people are retarded and try to defend the COMPLETE AND UTTER FAILURE that is their entire organization
>>736565929The idea is that you go to the jeets and they either fix your car, or destroy it beyond repair, with 90% of everyone telling you that they are going to scrap it without a care.
>>736565268>massive failure as wellWhat is this forced meme lol. TLOU2 sold well and won several GOTY. It's still beloved by many fans, and even the TV show is winning even the fucking non-gamer normie audiences' hearts. Pedo Pascal won several big awards. Buzz Lightyear won an MTV award LMAO. Big IP, huge impact on pop-culture, and the huge controversial divide only makes it more popular, free publicity lol. Do you guys realize TLOU2 haters / Joel sympathizers are the minorities here? It's like 30% lol. 70% loved the game. The rest of the votes, what made it seems there's so much hate, came from outsiders who weren't into the games in the first place. The actual non-fans. They're just using TLOU2 as the posterchild for mUH WoKe PrOpAgaNdA scapegoat maymays. They don't even play the game in the first place.
>>736531479I mean I dont like the second at all but even from the first took it that they would have made a cure with Ellie. That’s literally the point of Joel’s choice.
>>736566236Talk about being disingenuous, the people who like the TLOU show never played the games. No one here cares about how retarded normies are, we already know they eat up whatever slop they are told is good, and not only that but TLOU2 had a very divisive crowd with most sides saying cuckmann is pretentious.They also didn't add multiplayer, one of the best parts of the game, to the second one so it's automatically trash.
>>736566236I guess Fortnite is the greatest game of all time by these standards.
>>736566218>They are bad people, which means they cannot be capable
>>736566218see, the thing is...it's not real life, it is a fictional story contrived to reach a very specific conclusion where Joel steals Ellie away while she's asleep and then lies to her. If the Fireflies wait to do tests and get her consent then the story couldn't happen as it does, and if we reach a point where artists can't create the stories they want to write because pedantic plothole surfing faggots online will cry that the zombie story isn't LE REALISTIC we have completely lost the plot on why stories even exist in the first place
>>736566472>ignores everything related to medical malpracticefireflies are bad because they're incompetent>>736566484sounds like the story has weak plot points and deserves to get shat on for it, they couldn't even be bothered to see how brain surgery was actually done to properly showcase itthe entire thing is bad, it's poorly done, poorly directed and poorly written
>>736566472The Nazis actually mostly weren't that capable, they contributed very few things to medical science, the best one is human anatomy.
>>736566612If the point is to get access to the brain tissue to see how it differs from that of those who are not immune or are infected, there's really no need for anything fancy. Just as long as the brain survives relatively unscathed as it is extracted from the skull, they're golden.
>>736566780The brain that has a DORMANT version of a fungus? the one that could reactivate at any time? that one? the one that's highly pro-active in it's proliferation? That one, just slapped onto the table for it's blood to go everywhere? What if the only thing keeping it dormant is the fact it's inside their, huh?actual retarded scene with 0 research done into how brain surgery works or how anything in a hospital works, it would have been EASY AS FUCK to just prep her into a chair, as she should be, but alasretarded directors and even more RETARDED FANS who eat it all up because they can't think about the scene
>>736566612Why is a lack of adherence to real world medical practices a weak plot point, but a cordyceps strain that infects humans is not? You can't just pick and choose what should adhere to reality.
>>736567308Because their hemming and hawing over fireflies not adhering to proper medical procedure is just a form of mental gymnastics so they can frame Joel as being totally justified. You know that.
>>736566367>cuckmann is pretentiousbut i love it when Kojima does it
>>736567469Kojima made something, Cuckmann just dragged someone else's work through the mud
>>736567542Kojima copied homeworks and tells the world it's his geniouslacreativdad brainchild
>>736567915And Cuckmann could only dream of being on his level
>>736562341>Ah yes, the willful ignorance specialI'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you didn't read the previous post.The argument was>Killing to save is not the same as killing to avengeAnd his reply was "b-but he killed ppl", showing his complete fucking lack of comprehension to what is being argued about.
>>736564752>It's all but canonCan you provide a source from the first game on this "canon" fact?
>>736565578>can't point to a source in the game, has to point to a retcon made after the game was released and they had to justify the shit that happens in the sequel.Lol
>tlou2 faggots: the would have been able to make a cure because it's supposed to be a dilemma!>also tlou2 faggots: JOEL WAS WRONG AND HE DESERVED IT, THEY SHOULD HAVE KILLED THE LITTLE GIRLwas it a moral dilemma or not? They point of a moral dilemma is that neither option is wrong.
>>736567542>le amy hennig and bruce straley wrote TLOU!!!!absolute delusion from virgins
>>736529291the constant flip flop of the writer really says a lot about his personality and work ethics
>>736529291Forgot this piece of shit fucking game even exists lol fuck you OP for reminding me, it’s still a dumpster fire of a sequel btw.
>>736529291Why would say that?
>>736529460Its pretty impressice that cuckmann fucked up the execution of the story so much on screen that people think it was just revenge bad, when it was mainly how these two gals not moving on from things they had no control over made them lose far more in the end. People try to act like Abby getting to go free with Lev is some sort of big "victory" for her but Lev is literally just a morality pet she picked up and its false atonement and she knows it.
>>736542612What a nigger, he publicly shamed Team Ninja for Ayane's design when promoting the first game because of the negative impact of having this female role model in gaming, but when it's his fictional character then it's not real guise?He's ultimately right here but part of the problem.
>>736569136What do you think "revenge bad" means? Was The Last of Us 2 the first revenge plot you've experienced?
>>736565551NTA, but off the top of my head, Ellie asks him how he knew the bandit was faking being injured to lure them in, Joel says with a twinge of apprehension "Because I've seen it from both sides".
>>736569136Even beyond Abby, TLoU2 did the same shit that Chrono Cross did, and said "Hey, do you like those characters from the first game? Well, FUCK EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM, AND FUCK YOU IF YOU'VE GOT A PROBLEM WITH IT."It was unnecessarily cruel what that game did to Tommy in particular.
>>736560634>No one ever mentioned Joel's pastThey did, but only to berate cuckmann for making it something we never see despite being a 10 year timeskip of important character development in a VIDEO GAME and INTERACTIVE, audio VISUAL medium.Lazy faggot can't write characters to save his jew gold.
>>736529291The only way to make a good ending for TLOU2 was Ellie untying Lev and realizing that she is already dead, seeing Abby's reaction to it and thinking about her and Joel. Untying Abby and leaving her.
>>736572362For me:>Drown Abby>Push the unconscious Lev into open water>Ellie then returns to an empty home, and no longer welcome in Jackson>End the game on a note of "Well, you completed your mission...was it worth it?"At least that way you as the player getting the catharsis of completing the video game objective that you set out to do from the beginning, and I suppose on a narrative level knowing that Tommy at least can have peace in some capacity.
>>736572721No, there's only one way to make the ending real>kill Lev in front of Abby, stating that not killing Ellie was where she failed>kill Abby>now the new monster can play guitar into the outro credits
>>736529291>make your highly anticipated sequel a revenge plot>one of the oldest and most universally understood story concepts in recorded fiction >a concept so ingrained in the human consciousness that you can find it replicated and enjoyed endlessly across the planet, to the point where a random child off the street could explain it to you at the drop of a hat>fuck it upCuckman is a special kind of stupid
>>736569136Uhh, yeah, that's revenge bad retard. Why the fuck do you think people seek revenge?
>>736531057Nah he says exactly that at some point during the middle of the game. I think it's around when the guy fakes being sick and they ram him.
What would cuddles with Ellie feel like?
That's almost as bad as saying "Now I am the last of us (part II)"
>>736529291Legit don't understand why you guys are even willing to play LITERAL goyslop to begin with.
>>736543593It does. General wisdom is that if a protagonist is going to be a cruel, vile person, you need to at least make them attractive so that there's something palatable for the audience. Other methods are to make them charming or introspective or something, much Abby is neither.
>>736566236This post is 100% identical to a Reddit post btw
>>736566472Mengele wasn't capable at all, fuckwit, he had an honorary doctorate for writing a paper in support of phrenology that flattered the nazi party. He contributed nothing to the medical world through his thinly veiled torture, and what research documents written by him that were recovered turned out to be utterly worthless because they were held to no scientific standard.
