Any dads here /v/? I'm seeing a pendulum swing in the opposite direct here, a lot of parents are going to extremes to limit their kids ability to watch shows or play games. I'm mostly letting my kids play some of the stuff I played at their age obviously adjusted for age they're not playing the NES, I'm also giving them glimpses of what they'll play in the future. Obviously not a lot of RTS games these days, but my kid played the Switch from 6 years on because I did the same with the SNES. Not all the time but when I got the measeles my mom rented me a SNES with some games. In my entire 6th year of life that is one thing I have burned into my mind like nothing else. It made such a gigantic impression on me I ended up with a high paying IT job and a masters in Compsci. Since my mom was against consoles I only had a PC but still that was crazy good from my 9th year onwards. But I'm seeing parents literally not allowing any games for their kinds until they're fucking 10+ years old it's insane. I remember playing shit like Doom, Duke Nukem, Age of Empires, Starcraft, beggin my mom to buy me some more EDO fucking RAM to play Starcraft because we only had 8 MB and the game needed 16 MB. I feel like some parents are absolute retards that just stick their kids in front of tablets and let them consume mindless fucking shit, and the worst brain scrambling games ever. And on the other extreme you have basically luddites that want to make kids avoid all technology until they're early teens. Why isn't there an normal balance?
uh I haven't kissed a girl yet
i havent been outside in the past year
>>736545676People who haven't had proper parenting are incapable of proper parenting. And since for decades now parents are expected to do everything themselves without help from family or the community there are very few parents around who know how to parent.
>>736545676If that's them, and they're sibling then they'll probably have a very similar experience to me and my brother, we would play alot of co-op games, like Lego star wars of battlefront 2. So id say let them play what they like and find their fav Games. I remember trying age of empires,, warcraft 3, cod 4, and all sorts of new games at the time when I looked like that.
>>736545802Nah bro I'm not gonna put pictures of my kids on fucking 4chan I'm here since 2006, who knows what people would do.
>>736545676>a lot of parents are going to extremes to limit their kids ability to watch shows or play gamesabsolute based parenting, current video games are slop nowadays made to get you addicted, like social media.
>>736545723>kissing girlsyeah i bet you would do that, fag
>>736545676Please do not tell me those are your kids, if they are you are a horrible father for putting their faces on the internet 4chan no less
>>736545843Well still, if it's multiple boys, get them co-op stuff, and get them cool games, I remember when I was very young always wanting to play world of warcraft like my cousin, so I'd say make sure they are exposed to variety, otherwise they'll juat become ball&gun gamers
>>736545802They have a 2 Switch Lites and I'm planing to buy them PCs for each of them when they're about 3nd or 4rd grade. But they're going to get something thats going to frustrate them like my old 5800X3D with maybe a new GPU like a RX 9060 or something, something that will last maybe 3 years and needs some knowledge to solve problems. >>736545874Thats how a lot of them feel but like there so many good games and movies and TV shows that the kids could be watching. Like I started watching Star Gate with my kids. They love it. Star Wars EP1 was suprisingly hit more so then the EP4-6. Guess they like the Visuals? But yeah todays content is kind of crap. They also watch stuff like Dragon Ball, Pokemon, Spy Family etc...
>>736545910god I wish I could
>>736545676>Why isn't there an normal balance?This is like asking "why can't people just be reasonable" or "why can't people just live a balanced life without indulging too much in neither excesses nor absences", or "why can't people just return the shopping cart"?And the answer is: this world is a hell meant to test your moral framework against irrational behavior.
>>736546008Just dont force your retro taste on them too much, it generates spite.
>>736545676My kid is 8 and I hooked up my PS3 so we can play Little Big Planet together. Then he was left on his own and instantly went into the level editor and started making something.It's shit and it kills you for stepping on a single button or launches you into space, but I'm proud of him nevertheless. We beat all 3 games (LBP3 fucking sucks holy shit) but he likes 2 the most because the editor is most robust. Also Sackbots can dance. I let him play some games, even on the phone, I think Just Shapes And Beats is close enough to flash games I played as a kid so it's fine if he plays that. I've also instaled some of the earlier Popcap titles, he loves Zuma and Peggle. Gotta show them the good stuff, then you realize it's actually timeless. Of course, when his friends show him Roblox at their place he's also interested, but he doesn't beg me to let him play that. I might have lucked out on my kid tho.He watched me play games since he was a little kid, of course I played some of kid stuff with him around, he also got into the Crash Team Racing remake and some LEGO games. Still struggles with Mario games tho, it really shows you how you take stuff like being able to move in 3D space for granted when it comes to assessing difficulty, he often ran out of time in 3D World.
>>736545981Agreed. I do plan on forcing them to play some shit with me later on in LAN, probably some Coop RTS or something like that, not sure what yet MMOs are too big, shooters are for when they're like 10+. And hopefully they can get other kids to do the same. God damn was CS 0.7 beta good in LAN. >>736546078No I'm 100% trying to avoid that. It was painfully obvious to me when I showed them SNES games that there no "wow!" factor for them or references, they have seen shit randomly on TV and so on that looks way cooler. Instead of showing them Mario All Stars on SNES they got Mario U Deluxe on the Switch.
>>736546008>Star Wars EP1 was suprisingly hit more so then the EP4-6. Guess they like the Visuals? Episode 1 was always intended to be a movie for kids.I'm not a dad yet, but I'm planning with my wife. I don't want to restrict my future kids from all vidya, but I don't want them to be exposed to modern slop that will fry their brains. Definitely no tablet or phone until they're in their early teens.
>>736546152Yeah I totally get him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJbEDlDDVVc I spend hours on this shit here, The Incredible Machine. Just seeing how stuff interacts and connects is incredible. Popcap stuff is good, I let mine play Geometry Dash.Honestly if it wasn't for all the pedophiles and retards Roblox would be amazing. It's basically what the HL1 and WC3 moding scenes were like back in the day.Yeah 3D games are a lot harder then normal platfomers. Mine tried some Crash Bandicoot 1-3 Remake and they died non stop.
>>736546232https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8rmrm-3wxYThe crap they put on Youtube is literally RETARDED.And you wath enough of this crap and you get shit turning into animals changing colors it's like the made the most autistic mindpaste dogshit for kids to hack their brains and turn them into zombies.
>>736546219I think the new dawn of war 4 or warhammer 40k total war will be really good rts to get them into, should be like playing warcraft 3 or starcraft was for us
>>736545676I just keep my "kids" away from MTX and games that employ manipulative tactics to make people spend money or games that install rootkits etc.
>>736546504>"Dad can I have 20$ for some skins???"
>>736546504>>736546585Fortnite and Roblox have easily drained billions of dollars from kids asking their parents for ingame currency to spend on skins
>>736546665You act like we didn't do this for WOW subscriptions
>>736546585Ironically my dad was the one who ended up falling for some skins in war games
>>736545676I dont let me kids play video games. But I live in a climate where most days you can go outside.
>>736546750I STOLE my parents credit card, that's different
>>736546585"No, you can't. However if that is how you want to spend some of YOUR allowance money then that is fine, but I'm setting a limit because there are better things to save your money for."Gee, that was hard. Let me guess, you can't handle the "meltdown" they will have in response?
>>736546762What wargame?
>>736546585>>736546665when I was a retail wagie, I saw a lot of confused grandparents buying vbuck gift cards
>>736545676Video games are the single best cognitive development tool you can give to a kid, prohibiting them from playing games is as retarded as lot putting them in schoolJust let them find their interests and don't expose them to dopamine injection garbage, it's really not hard
>>736546886War Thunder & Enlisted, though to be fair they're not actually skins.
>>736546847Everytime my stepdad was being too much of a cheap asshole I'd help myself to $60 from the ATM. Watched every penny like a hawk then wouldn't even open his statements and had anything and everything on auto pay. What kind of mental illness is that?
>>736545676Video games are just an easy babysitter to keep kids busy. I never even wanted to play games they just kept coming. It took until my 30s to break the addiction to the slop. Gee, thanks for wrecking my dopamine at such a young age?I was no different to the ipad kids today
>>736547061the skins in question
>>736547091Seriously. My parents kept dragging me with them to visit their friends from all over the fucking place an hour + away so I literally brought my PlayStation or GameCube with all the cables with me so I can set up shop in an available room and sit there and play my two games. Implying young millennials are any different than iPad kids
>>736547061Enlisted and warthunder got alot of money out of me so I get it. You should introduce him to Easy-Red 2. It's somthing he'd likely enjoy, it's not a skinnerbox
>>736547303idk man you had to physically lug equipment around and were setting up a limited tech environment each time. All with various components, working out where ports are on every TV each time, etc. Games were also just less retardproof back then.That's still a better thing than the magic square that's always online with nothing but brainrot.
>>736547091Boomers didn't have the foresight our generation does though, millennial parents have absolutely no excuse for letting their children's brains get destroyed by internet and vidya addiction. You could at least say our parents didn't know any better, the parents of this generation literally and are just too unengaged to do anything about it.
>>736547079Sounds like terminal boomerism
Son doesn’t come over anymore after Christmas. He wanted a new PS5 to play with his friends but I gave him my old Genesis and told him if he beats some Sonic games I would get him a PS5. Haven’t heard a word since from him or his mother.
>>736547601Autism. I'd hate you too
>>736545676I babysit my nephew once a week atleast. I've been trying to give an easy relaxed space to play some older games. I have a decent older rig with emulators and some PC games he can play while he relaxes on the couch.Also a few older consoles he can mess with too.One thing I learned from him is that environment is a huge factor in how mentally active a kid will be. When I visit my sister he literally just sits drooling like a retard in front of a tablet or the TV watching the most retarded brain numbing shit imaginable because it's there.Meanwhile he now knows how to navigate the computer, knows how to boot up the emulators, actively decided the games he wants to play (it's been a lot of pokemon recently, Emerald currently) and will talk about the game and what he wants to do and what he's doing.It's not super surprising. I was way ahead of my peers in math and english when I was really young because I had to learn those things to play my GBA games and understand what the fuck I was doing. I don't blame parents who don't allow their kids access to games early though, they're more aware that they can't control and mitigate the kids exposure to things that will make them retarded so choose not to even attempt it.It's a different world now, everything new has had dozens of analysts and experts hired specifically to make their mobile slop as addictive as possible.
Is it ok for a 9 year old play RE2R and Bloodborne?
>>736545676>I feel like some parents are absolute retards that just stick their kids in front of tablets and let them consume mindless fucking shit, and the worst brain scrambling games ever. And on the other extreme you have basically luddites that want to make kids avoid all technology until they're early teens. >>Why isn't there an normal balance?One one end you have jews that want to mutilate and eat babies, on the other hand you have white people saying we shouldnt be mutilating or eating babies.Geez, can't we have some normal balance?
>>736545676>2026>Having kids.
>>736548271Yes, I played prototype as a 9 year old
>>736548271no
>>736545676Single and childless, but these are my feelings>government pushing ID/face scans and kernel-level age requests under the lie "think of the children!">don't want to contribute to that bullshit so I desire to take moderating my child's internet activity seriously>children are so maladjusted to society that disobedience and violence against schoolteachers is at an all time high>also in IT, see firsthand how phones, social media, and algorithms are mindraping and datamining adults and children while they doublespeak saying they care so much about kids rights, privacy, COPPA, etc yet still get fined for COPPA violations annuallyIts the corpos trying to leech off my children. They probably will love Super Mario or some IP and want Mario pajamas, drinking cups, toothbrushes, whatever. I want to moderate how much consumerism helps motivate them without it consuming them and turning them into manchildren and consooomers in the future. I do want my kids to play outside and also have the benefits of a father who grasps and can utilize tech, but it just seems like such a balancing act.
>>736548809>>children are so maladjusted to society that disobedience and violence against schoolteachers is at an all time highthe teachers that tell them to be a good goy and learn about the trannies?
>>736548869#notall___>friend moves to Japan to teach English for a few years>finds a qt American/Japanese mixed girl and falls in love>they move back to America>see firsthand how they raise their kid with effort and love>know she's whimsical and kind but also pragmatic (and Orthodox)>she starts teaching here >she's catching hands from 6th graders who don't like being told not to play with the fire extinguisher.
>>736549014I don't care about exceptions. I care what the institution as a whole is like.
>>736545676RA2 GIGABASEDAlso I'd probably let my kid play doom but definitely not douk until like 16 or so. I played douk3d when I was like 5 or 6 and that shit activated neurons WAY too early.
>>736545676my kids play hours of vidya a week but they get bored of it and read or write or play outside. they don't say no to turning it off and doing something else IRL if asked.i think it's less about overall consumption and more about attitude. if they were being cunty about refusing to turn off an online-only game after 3 straight hours, they'd be hit with way more limitations to offset that behaviour.balance is something people cannot seem to manage these days. they let bad behaviour become part of their routine. i'd probably be like that if I didn't have kids in my early 20's
>>736545676My kid isn't even 1 yet, but I'll introduce him to gaming when he's old enough to have and maintain responsibilities I'm not getting him anything modern right away, because I wouldn't be able to forgive myself if modern gaming was all he ever knewHe can start on my analogue 3D or pocket, or whatever other "retro" systems I have by then
>>736547061Play with him anonI regret not playing more vidya with my Dad before his passing the dude was still playing War Thunder and modded World at War servers until the day he died in his sleep.
>>736546152lbp3 is such poop
>>736549302>"dad why can't I get a phone or iPad to play on like my friends in 1st grade??? They all have iPad with angry birds 2 and minecraft!!! Why do I have to play your OLD games???"Your response?
>>736547303so your parents didn't allow you to grow in different environments and let you bring your virtual environment with you. bad parenting.don't let the kid bring their crutch entertainment out into the world or they'll never attempt to interact with anything besides the entertainmenti'd get dragged to places with nothing for me and i'd climb a tree or explore their house or whatever. sometimes my quiet bumbling around landed me a "hey I have (random obscure game) on my computer if you want to try it", and i'd get the combo of new experience AND video gamei don't let my kids bring their phones or switch out when we visit family or whatever, either
>>736545676parents are exposed to non stop government propaganda telling them technology is the devil for kids
>>736548271the sooner you can draw a line between fiction and reality, the better.hiding fake gore from a kid until they are a teen is just lending credence to the fake gore, which will be met with confusion when the kid sees the fake gore you sheltered them from for so long is fun and silly. >hmmmm maybe real gore the police shelter us from is fun and silly, too...
>>736545676Pro-tip:Present your children with OTHER activities they can participate in.Regulation is great! DEFINITELY restrict what you don't approve of (be it time spent, game chosen, etc.), but if you're going to be truly forceful about choosing your children's activites for them, make it a new activity that you take your family to; going to a zoo, visiting an acquarium, spending time at a lake on a paddle boat, purchasing "Monopoly," try a pseudo-Blockbuster movie night, purchase some roller blades, make sure your kids own a bicycle, get a yo-yo to try, maybe even own some dumbbells in your basement. Do you live near National Parks? Go visit them!Home is where they get to choose what they want to do, so make sure they have A LOT to choose from (and I don't mean a lot of games, though varied games is a good idea, too). When your kids bug you for something they think they want, make it a trip to a shopping center to get it -- don't just "buy it online" and "have it shipped" or "download." If you are going to concede to their demands, make it an event! Let it be embarassing for them to ask, because chances are they'll BOTH "ask less" and "gain confidence" when they do.Make them stronger.And yes, make rules.
>>736549295>they let bad behavior become part of the routineWish I knew how to avoid this. I’ve ended up making this mistake with my dog.
>>736548271i played mortal kombat when i was 6 and turned out fine except for the using 4chan thing
>>736545676>And on the other extreme you have basically luddites that want to make kids avoid all technology until they're early teens.From my personal experience, never seen anybody who games much grow up normal or have kids.
>>736549472>Because I've seen how kids raised on ipads end up. You can game, but it won't be this stuff designed to rot your brainSide note, we already plan on family [board/ video] game nights, so he'll be more accustomed to "local multiplayer". The wife supports me on it, as long as it doesn't become the only thing he does
>>736549472>he thinks kids have homogenous traits in 2025nobody is playing minecraft or whatever together in grade 1. some kids have zero screentime, some play retarded ad-ridden mobileshit, some play popularslop like minecraft and roblox custom modes, some exclusively watch youtube mindrot and never play anything, some are only watching netflix cartoons, etc. etc. etc.some kids in grade 1 these days are barely fucking sentient and probably have no actual comprehension of what their mother has plopped them in front of since birth. the one thing you don't have to worry about in this day and age as a parent is peer pressure at a young age.
>>736549737step 1 is shake off a lifetime of brainwashing that suggests 'asserting your will' is actually 'fascism' or 'abuse'. step 2 is usually to assert your will on your pets with a combo of negative and positive reinforcement, but sometimes step 2 is "get a new dog that you haven't fucked up beyond repair already"
>>736549839damn i'm sure that's a really large and dynamic sample set of more than just 15 people living in some bullshit city they're desperate to escape
>>736549953You don't even know what year it is and you expect people to listen to your thesis on what kids are doing nowadays?
>>736550148far more than that but cope with what you want.
>>736550225not particularly no, or i'd post it somewhere less akin to the internet's trashcan
>>736547079When you get older, you have A LOT of things you have to pay, regularly (and more than enough money/habits to maintain it). Old people LOVE "autopay." So much less worrying than>did I forget to pay this?>I swear I paid this bill, already...>Wait? Again??>Which card do I use?>This webpage isn't what I remember my electrical bill looking like...etc.
>>736545676>videogames good or videogames badNone of this stuff really matters, all that truly matters is not letting your kids eat processed slop, going to public school, and being on social media
>>736550520okay but it's your responsibility to check on your shit regularly to make sure your various autopaid stuff isn't changing unexpectedly. it's the same worries and fucking around in a different package and a little less effort on your part. you can't just set up autopay and expect someone else to tell you when one doubles or a new unauthorized one shows up
>>736549302Your kid will be a social loser because you willingly turned him into an "other". I hope you understand this.
>>736550807he just needs to send his kid to play sports or some physical social hobby that makes him friends and gets him to be in shape and develop his face and body in a proper way throughout puberty, that alone will give him all the confidence/skills to make it in life. absolutely no foid or male friend cares whether you watched the latest netflix show, bought the latest fortnite skin, or listened to whatever fotm music or whatever when he'll be mogging all those dysgenic nerds anyways. the only way he can fuck up the kids future is by making him a stay-at-home nerd faggot that has no lived experiences and is passive and obsessed with escapism and studying.
>>736548052Does your nephew think of you as "computer uncle?">Once I week, my parents drop me off at my uncle's, and he turns on some ancient computer with stuff I have to use a mouse for. It's better than doing my homework, I guess...I would say, once a week, let your nephew LOOK FORWARD to getting dropped off, because he'll get to DO something he's never done before.>Guys! My uncle brought me to an ICE SKATING rink, this week!>I fell down so much, but holy crap, it was like I was playing hockey!>I didn't even know Arizona HAD ice!>Last week, he started some singing program in his living room, he kept calling it "carry-O-kee" or something. For, like, 4 hours, we were picking songs we had to sing along to. Most of the songs were sooooooo stupid, but I got to pick some songs I liked, so it was fine.>Oh, I forgot to mention, but this week, on our way back from the rink, the restaurant we tried was "Gyros Kebap" and the sauce on the beef was something I'd NEVER tasted before! You guys have GOT to try it!
>>736545676The big problem is that people think the problem is with the screens (tablets/phones), when it really isn't. The ACTUAL problem is internet.If you give a kid a modern iDevice, put it in airplane mode/take out the simcard/turn off wifi entirely, he or she will be bored out in an instant. Mobage crap ALWAYS needs to be online to work, and if a kid is crafty enough to install emulators (which don't need always online) then I'd say he or she more than earned the right to play that. As long as there's no internet, there's no risk of being brainrotted out.We had screens in the 90s: Consoles, TV, Game Boy, Tiger games, whatever. The difference is that they were contained experiences so that 1) there was no online component introducing 'stranger danger' shit and 2) most importantly, there wasn't a fucking algorithm driven feedback loop of dopamine.I believe that kids should be able to use the devices just like we were able to, but WITHOUT always on internet. Schools should install signal jamming, and have enterprise routers set with rotating WPA keys in case there's need for a connection in some tech class. They could use the inbuilt calculator, but any AI agent would be unusable.If I had to take care of some kid and he/she wants a tablet, it'll be offline but with a bunch of emulators + a BT controller. Don't like it? Too bad.
>>736546152>It's shit and it kills you for stepping on a single button or launches you into spaceCome on, we've all been there with any game that lets you make maps>map full of obstacle courses that are nigh impossible to beat>map with the biggest/tallest whatever you can make>bottomless pits galore...and so on. So much fun!Remember AVGN's Deadly Danger Dungeon? Kinda like that, too.
My kids are still too young to be introduced to vidya, but their TV time is very limited & curated. I get them outside more cause I want them to have a healthier lifestyle. With my parents it was all SPORTS SPORTS SPORTS which I hated and it drove me to video games; but there's plenty of outdoor activities that are not sports. Going back to TV I won't let them watch kike slop. Either order cartoons or educational shit. No hyperactive crap like cocomelon or paw patrol. For video games I won't allow Roblox but Minecraft seems like a good influence, it was made by a Chud afterall.
Take your kids to a martial arts dojo. Something with rules and forms to learn.The sooner, the better.Make them go every week for years.They'll be so much more physically balanced and capable.Plus, they get to play "dress-up" and get new color "skins" when they reach "achievements" about learning to be able to do tons of pushups and sit-ups and how much it hurts to punch and balancing how to kick without falling over and becoming super flexible and how they get more skins and achievements the more they can do and the faster they can do it. It's called "being healthy."
>>736546078Other Dad anon here. I'm not gonna force my kids to "BE ME!" and only watch the stuff I watched, but it does help that I already pre-screened the stuff. My kid loves Duck Tales even though I wasn't a fan of it but its innocent enough. Some of this shit gets funny.>Scrooge introduced capitalism to a socialist society and then causes an economical collapse through hyper inflation that he also caused.>All because he dropped a bottle cap>101 Dalmatians The Series has a political episode where Lucky runs for Mayor and fucks shit up and resigns in disgrace >Final line is "besides, everyone knows corporations have all the power"There's just barely any actual kid content being produced these days ever since the death of after school TV programs and the Saturday morning TV blocks so its hard not to dip into that library pool. Yeah, all that shit was just glorified toy commercials but all the good stuff that held up had heart in it. Same deal goes with video games where most of the content being spat out is for gambling adults filled with bloated systems and in-game currencies. The last non-Nintendo game aimed at kids that wasn't some shovelware trash I remember coming out was Illusion Island and that was 3 years ago. How am I not supposed to resort to retro when the new stuff is actually shit?
>>736547150If my son went to me and said can you buys me a Aqua skin for my J7-E I would say, fuck em son sure I'll buy it. Any other hololive ones you want?
>>736551901I feel like the classic disney shit until 2010 is perfectly good and evergreen. From there on it becomes crap.But I grew up watching old cartoons, hell I didn't know the PS1 existed in 1995. I was sure the SNES was a brand new console in 1995. The "old" consoles were Atari, NES and Sega.
>>736545676>normal balanceCounterproposal: tech maximalismPeople without serious tech skills will be obsolete the moment someone invents a robot to do their job, but that creates a new job for a person who knows how to repair and look after the robot.E.g. make pic related the only game on the family computer. If the kids want more games, they have to build their own PC. Also no Windows license, so they need to install their own operating system (hint: Nobara Linux is specifically optimised for gaming).After that you can just continue to gamify the learning. You need a better GPU? I'll buy it when you finish GameShell. Want Fortnite? You'll have it when you finish Bitburner.Same approach can be applied to non /v/ stuff. Want a dirtbike? Here's a kit to build one. Want a smartphone? Take this second-hand one and flash it with a custom ROM, then I'll give you a SIM card for it.
>>736552006My YMCA I went to after school had SNES, N64, Playstation and a Sega on their video game couch wall. We played the N64 because those games had 4-players.They also had ping pong tables, a bowling alley, some arcade games, a rent counter with basket balls and tennis balls and rackets (for their courts outside) and all kinds of stuff.
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>>736552203>Counterproposal: tech maximalism>Same approach can be applied to non /v/ stuff. Want a dirtbike? Here's a kit to build one. Want a smartphone? Take this second-hand one and flash it with a custom ROM, then I'll give you a SIM card for it."Dad, I'm not going to 'maximalize' some phone. Jeremy and his sister both have baseball gloves, so I'm going to the park and gonna play catch. I'm not coming back until dinner. Bye."
I fear for the youth. Milennials are gunna mess these kids up something fierce. Why do you even give a shit what games they play, take them camping or something you lazy scumbags lol
>tfw 34 and no kidsI'm running out of time bros. Any longer and I'm going to father autistic kids
>>736545676I'm a dad.And my experience as a dad and dealing with parents through teaching at church is that pretty much anything requires moderation and balance, not just games or internet, although those are two really common ones people get weird about. Gaming is fine, even from a young-ish age. But I have known a few kids that were very stunted because that was all they did. In my experience though, it was more about how the parents never helped the kids learn independence and creativity or social skills because they were lazy parents. The games didn't cause it. Excess screentime seems great to lazy parents though because crazy kids are way more docile with a movie or game in front of them.
>>736545676My son of 7 years gets 1 hour of digital media time(unsupervised, but only has a selection of apps/channels he can access, mostly learning stuff for physics, biology and technical stuff like how does a car work, or how does the jam get into the supermarket etc)additionally he can get up to one hour more a day but on my PC, playing games with me, so very supervisedbut every hour of digital media has to get equalized by one hour of either reading or ceative activity(drawing, colouring, singing, dancing, learning a second language whatever)once he hits 10 I will buy him his own PC and then he can get a little bit more freedom(heavily restricted internet tho)
>>736552685Because gaming is a essential part of modern life. Just like camping is or riding a bike. They both have bikes, we go on bike trips to visit grandma, I live in Europe so thats a thing. The grandma lives like 7-8 km away in a village next to the city that connected with bike road. Well to be honest Camping isn't really a thing here, but I do take them because I watched too much Yurucamp.
>>736553121I don't know man that seems excessive, my parents let me watch Cartoon Network and German TV for hours as a kid and thats how I learned English. I speak 4 different languages because I consumed media in them. When kids are young I think it's 100% giga essential to let them hear other languages and to explain to them whats what. It took me 10 fucking years to get Japanese up to N1 meanwhile I was speaking perfect German and English by the time I was 14 because I played shit like Red Alert 2 and watched Star Gate on RTL2. I'm from Croatia btw.
>>736552409>"Y0u br1n6 5h4m3 up0n ur f4m1ly s0n!"
>>736552203You're not solving anything. You're just doing the same shit but in the opposite direction. In all of your gay ass examples, all you're doing is giving an objective and reward to someone with 0 experience and expect the reward will be enough motivation. We prosper when we learn AND teach. At no point in your gay post do you even imply offering a guiding hand or participating with them. Want a dirt bike? Here's a kit, we'll build it together and then I'll take you out to test it. Want a PC? Save up some money then we'll go to MicroCenter or browse online together picking out parts.People keep asking what's wrong with today's youth but no one ever bothers to ask who the fuck is helping them. The generations before them sure as hell aren't.
>>736553183Does yurop not have an equivalent of boy scouts? It's kind of like an middle ground between church youth groups here, or at least it was, and it would be life skills, camping, community service, etc. It's a waste of time to control what media kids consume, they'll just rebel when they get older
>>736553598I can''t comment on Europe as a whole. I'm not sure what Western Europeans do. I'm from the Balkans.Not really, not in such a massive gigantic organized way. We did have something similar in Jugoslavia.You need to understand the purpose of Boy Scouts, it's early military training and indoctrination. Yugoslavia had something similar called Tito's Pioneers. It was basically Hitler Youth but Communist and a lot less extreme it was Communist Boy Scouts then again so was Hitler Youth until the war started.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_Pioneers_of_YugoslaviaToday, when I become a pioneer,I give my honorable pioneer wordthat I will study and work diligently,respect my parents and elders,and be a faithful and sincere comrade,who keeps his/her word,that I will love our homeland,the self-governing Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia,that I will develop brotherhood and unityand the ideas for which Comrade Tito fought,that I will appreciate all the people of the world who want freedom and peace!Our current post-Yugoslav government didn't see any real use for that and there was a stigma to it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scout_Association_of_CroatiaThere is these but in my entire life I haven't met a single person who went to one of these. And I checked the latest data in 2022 they only had around 4000 members.So it's not as common as the US there no Girl Soucts cookies selling or anything remotley like that. Kids go to camps, some are Chatholic camps others are just for fun. But most kids do sports. Football is super popular, Handball, Waterball, Dancing and so on...
>>736554071>I'm from the Balkans.Stopped reading there
Father of a 2.5 year old here.We're at a crossroads right now. Tech hit parenting around 2010 like crack cocaine on inner city neighborhoods. There's an argument to be made that it started with the gameboy/DS but the ipad was a whole different beast. Any current parent grew up in a world of ipad babies and social media, all fueled by millennials and gen x's complete failure to understand how dangerous those things were. But we know. We were in high-school and heard about our friend who got groomed. We were on twitter/4chan or whatever the fuck in middle school and saw photos and videos of people who were skinned alive. We were exposed to porn as children. And if you're older gen z, you have seen how one-shotted younger gen z/older gen a truly are. Maybe you're like me and have even struggled with social media addiction. Those things are not okay, and we do not want them for our kids. But many people haven't come to terms with that reality, and so there is a giant disparity between parental styles. Despite how locked into screens I was a kid, we have watched less than 100 hours of cartoons and movies with my kid. Her first time seeing a video game was this past new years day when some buddies who stayed the night all played Mario 64 together. A huge shift is coming. My prediction is technology, specifcally the internet, is about to become very uncool. Normies will drop it like the flies they are and it will likely return to the early 2000's net, or at least as much as it reasonably can. That's been my prediction since my phone broke during covid and I couldn't get a replacement for 8 months, and I realized how truly fucked I had been. And everything I suspected would come true has been coming true so far. Toy Story 5 is a huge indicator of these changing times, and people's understanding of how detrimental it all was. The internet is like the modern tobacco.Anyway I'll let her play my NES soon, but not until she can read.
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>>736554753You can already see a some of the trends starting, I sure as fuck didn't think I'd see kids today with what amounts to MP3 players with old style headphones. But I did see some highschoolers with it recently.
>>736554753>The internet is like the modern tobacco.Exactly. The issue lies with the network connection itself. Get an old DS or 3DS, or an old tablet and put true offline "old" games (or emulators) on it.If the device has no internet, it's not going to be as addicting, and the kid will eventually get bored.And when your kid shows interest in computers, get a Raspi teaching kit or something like that, but make him use a REAL physical keyboard. No tapping shit.
>spend my youth just waiting for an opportunity to plug the nintento on the big tv instead of the shitty old one in the basement, >almost never allowed to do so because ''games break the tv'' (fucking boomers) >30 years later>tell my kids they can pretty much play their games on the huge living room tv anytime, and experience the dream I never could>nah I like it better on the handheldWtf is wrong with this gen?
>I'm seeing a pendulum swing in the opposite direct here, a lot of parents are going to extremes to limit their kids ability to watch shows or play games.Grim. They have to be up-to-date with pop culture.
>>736545676i think letting them play older games, that aren't designed by actual psychologists to get you hooked as much as possible on stuff like battlepasses, microtransactions, dailies and other timegated stuff then its fine. but even those in moderation. smartphone/tablet i go luddite mode, the amount of dogshit on the commonly used apps is insane.
>there are people in the world who aren't teaching their kids to consume How antisemitic of them.
>>736555123Oh yeah. Contrary to what the burnt out 20 year olds are trying to tell everyone on this board, physical media is and has been making a BIG comeback for years. Books, comics, music, video games, movies, all of it is cool again. It's the way teenagers are rebelling against the algorithm and their parents owning nothing.
My father was an actual boomer born in the early 50s who never really understood much about videogames or consoles or PCs. I remember him playing nes tetris with me a couple of times when I was a kid, and he once helped me solve a sliding puzzle in a game, but beyond that he didn't care about games or what I played. And now that I am old enough to be a father, I don't really know if I should, once and if I do have children someday, try and influence what they play and are into in terms of entertainment, because I sure am glad my own father never tried and get me interested in some boomer bullshit instead of video games.
>>736554753>Anyway I'll let her play my NES soon, but not until she can read.Play some old RPGs with her and read along. Get re-translation hacks that clean up the language and errors. Obviously not an outright replacement for reading books, but its a fun interactive activity you could do together. It's how I learned how to read english as a kid because I wanted to play more JRPGs.
>>736545676Whats the point if theyre gonna wanna play roblox or whatever with their school friends or else be left outJust leave em be
>>736556447That's when you beat them with a belt.
>>736553340>perfect german>from crotiaThey trash your "German" behind your back.
>>736556160>comicsLast I looked at the numbers, they're still getting trounced by manga. I think I heard they were releasing large story arcs in manga style volumes and those were a success. Comics still seem to have a distribution problem. That's the main reason I stopped buying. The local shop I use to go to shut down and the alternative ones are run by snobs that I just stopped going.
>>736549014>she's catching hands from 6th graders who don't like being told not to play with the fire extinguisher.Browns?
Here's a story of games and parenting (and snitching)>Years ago at work talking with a colleague about COD (they practically forced anyone who played games to get it and join them)>Female colleague comes over and speaks with us about it since her son played it>Make a joke about how she's too young to have kids>"Oh, I'm not that young, he's 7">Reply with something like "7? Playing COD? Language in that game gets quite heated">"Oh? Is that so? I'll have to keep an eye on him...">Next morning>"So I was looking over to see what my son was like playing that game and oh my goodness the language he used! Anyway I took the games away from him, clearly too young for such things"If you somehow found your way to /v/ - I am sorry
>>736557008I'd make fun of you but your post reminded me how this board is 99% normalfags these days so just pretend I did and get mad
>>736557002NTA but that race barrier doesn't exist anywhere near as much as you'd hope. I went to see the movies a few weeks ago and a pack of white and asian teens where whooping and hollering the whole time.
>>736557591>Having a job>NormalfagYou think everyone on here is a NEET? Not everyone is blessed with living with their parents or mooching off the government. We gotta get into the wagey cage.
>>736557008>he's 7"Damn, kid got a good piece! Based mom for keeping it in check
>>736556447>he doesn't know you can say "no" to your kids>he doesn't know you can limit how much time your kid does something you don't likegrim>>736556365She's actually doing very well with reading so far, it's what we do most of the time. My thing with the NES isn't so much about the internet, it's more because I want her to grow up understanding how video games have changed. I don't want her to be a 20 year old who "can't play anything older than 2010 because of frame rates" or "watch black and white movies"
>>736556989Manga are comics my friend (yes I understand the difference). And you are correct, DC has been releasing a new line, "DC's Finest" that are basically just trade paper backs in manga form that did numbers so insane that Marvel started copying them
>>736545676i think most moms out there just park the kid in front of the phone or tablet early on because they feel too tired to parent after work. even if they sahm that doesn't mean they know how to do it, it's not like they spent their youth investing in parenting skills. there used to be more balance with people living in tighter communities and working together with their parents and relatives, but now the bulk of the burden falls on the mom and they ain't built for that.i think modern games are mostly gambling systems so it makes sense that parents would want to limit it
>>736545676I've seen some of my friends' parents not allow them to play games like Resident Evil or Mortal Kombat 30 years ago because they were violent. It's nothing new.
>>736545676for what it's worth I played games as a little kid and lots of games and ended up at a good university.games > phones/tablets because games are actually good and teach motor skills/thinking, whereas tiktok teaches mostly brainrot.
This thread is dumb. Your kid is going to play whatever they want.
>>736557940failing to grasp what my post was about only makes things worsegod I miss when this shithole was slightly better
>>736559562tell me you didn't have a father without telling me you didn't have a father
>coming to /v/ for parental adviceyour kid is gonna grow up to be a clown just like you OP
>>736560213>your kid is gonna grow up
>>736549729I don't like the way this is written but it's true. A lot of you are social outcasts but if you are not then engage them in varied activities and don't be afraid of trying a new thing together. Consistent surprises and always having a new thing to look forward to makes life a lot more fun.
>>736556761I learned during my childhood, that means I speak accent free. This is why you teach kids early.
I'll be pressing my theoretical kid to be doing extracurricular activities other than games. Sports or piano lessons. He can play games on the side but he's not coming home and slacking off for hours.
Just have them play any of the games from this list and keep them away from gatchas, microtransaction multiplayer games and mobile games.
>>736554753We already have a famous ipad kid. It should be fascinating for parents to see the whole pipeline that led to him.Social outcasts -> Find online communities -> Band together as incels in support-based communities -> Get radicalized to blame outward factors for their situation -> Learn about Pick up artistry, self-improvement and politics through algorithmic channels -> Get into eugenics absolutism and channel energy into autistic self-improoving -> You are here.At some point along the line the algorithm serves these kids with political or crypto Bro-grifts trying to sell them the secrets to success or money. Billionaires also chime in by sponsoring political influencers and algos to funnel frustrated young men to their cause. Some of these people then use the algo to push their flavor of ragebait to lure in others for profit and down the line admit that they are only self-interested and don't care about their audience.
Anons quit your dumb yapping and take your resume down to the nearest store with a crisp white shirt and a coffee in hand and talk to the manager who will give you a job. Stop being lazy.
>>736548327Why are luddites so retarded?
I let me 6 year old boy plays as many games as he wants all day... The problem is that he doesn't actually want to play games that muchGuess what he ACTUALLY wants to do all dayWatch retarded streamers with colored hair play games. I don't let him btw
>>736562962Why don't you play Resident Evil 5 with your son?
>>736562962Well you know what you have to do anon. Vecome his personal retarded streamer with rainbow colored hair. Play games with him as your "chat">>736560961Yes a variety is important. If anyone in this thread doesn't know that be default you're lost. Your kid should be in at least 1 team sport before middle school, and learn to play an instrument or sing.
>>736553514>all that hand-holdingYou'll make your kids weak. 1337 skills come from RTFM.>>736553368>373r|\|@1 n00b 50|\|That is worse than both gay son and thot daughter. Or even furry tumblrina.
>>736545676>some parents are absolute retards that just stick their kids in front of tablets and let them consume mindless fucking shit, and the worst brain scrambling games ever.That sure is a common problem. I know there's a meme issue of "dad who only lets son play N64 games he liked as kid," but some quality control is necessary. It's also a big problem that so many kids play Roblox, meaning a 40 year old is chatting with them trying to get their home address.
>>736565587The most important aspect about letting your kids play older games is priming them on the right "side aspects". Games should have a definitive starting and end point. Games should have all necessary parts from the get go. Games should respect your time and have no enforcement of engagement. In this regard it's absolutely unimportant whether it plays a NES, SNES, N64, PS1, PS2, Genesis or old PC game. All to somewhat immunize the child against all the predatory behaviour of modern online games, of which it will, unfortunately, have unavoidable contact with. Though I think you could get the same result, by priming it on good modern indie games, that adhere to those principles as well.
Honestly YouTube slop is 100x worse than games could ever hope to be.>has a 4yoShits turns them into a junkie, keep it away.
if your kids don't get scammed in an MMO then they won't be able to spot scams in irl
>>736566128Unless you... I dunno... teach them how to spot scams yourself?
>>736545676This thread is so fucking gay. Anyone who needs parenting advice from 4chan is going to be murdered in their sleep by their kids.
>>736545676I've been wondering about this for years. Our parent generation is the worst and overprotective.I will not stop laughing when their kids will grow up being overwhelmed by this world.
>>736566195how about making an account and scaming your own kid yourself
My older brother had a GTA 2 copy when I was 8 and I played a lot of it and turned out fine, so I try my best not to moralfag too much, but other than that I let them pick. My only rule is no online games at all, no games with microtransaction elements (which sucks because the one thing I forced them to do is support my team and sports games are all fucked) and nothing too scary or crazy. But the scary part depends on them of course, oldest one is terrified of bugs but the youngest loves Grounded, which I feel is a good game to play with them. I got them both a couple of cheap Series S because even though they love the Switch I also wanted them to try some classics or more mature games.
>>736566195it's just not the same
>>736548271Yes. I played postal,dead space, resident evil etcc at age 9. Bloodborne would go over their head but it's still a cool game
>>736545676It's not new. When I was a lad I was looked on with envy despite being dirt poor because I could spend as much time on the devil box as I could fit in in a day whereas my middle class friends had parents that were all "no, you already have one game you're not having another" and "no TV in the bedroom" and so on.
>>736566429Maybe you shouldn't let technology do the parenting for you.
I have a 4 year old. He's currently playing Mario Odyssey that I pirated for my steam deck. I actually really like using games as a way to teach him things. He's reading the text blocks outloud, making the right logical intuitions about mechanics, and when it's time for me to help, I don't exactly do it for him. I do it, I explain as I do so, then take a dive last sec to let him try. Plus playing games has been a pretty handy way to stamp out tantrums and talk about emotions and how they come out of the ether. Usually we play coop games too. Plus we split our day up with workbooks and exercising.
Father of a 12 year old here. Screentime is an issue, but the number one thing I did not see any other parents doing when my son was young was read to them / read with them. Reading bedtime stories, progressing from picture books to short stories to actual novels is the biggest difference maker in development of your child. I live in a fairly affluent area (read: statistically higher IQ families...in most cases), yet by the time my son was in grade 3 the vast majority of his class couldn't even read at all and were still in the picturebook phase, whereas he was already reading novels. Every single teacher interview went the same: "What incredible thing do you two do for your son?" and the answer was just "We read to him, and have books available". That's it. I read Catch-22 to him when he was 9 (making on the fly edits of some of the unsuitable material as I went) and he loved it. It has gotten better as he gets older and his classmates seem to be catching up but man it was sad to go to school events and see the huge divide in his behavior and knowledge compared to his friends.This isn't to be taken as a brag - I was legitimately surprised how big of a difference reading (or rather, the absence of it) made.
I'm the father of 32yo android daughter in the future. She travels the world meeting people and being an hero, i regularly don't know where she is but she has a big destiny and needs to be out there leaning about humanity. I feel bad about setting her up as mecha jesus christ though i hope humans will in time accept and love her as our savior. I'm always glad when she comes back home dragging in souvenirs but she doesn't play much videogames during her stays.
ITT: failed parents. Forcing your kid to play old games and not letting them have any fun is a great way to get them to resent you and have them grow up damaged and asocial.>>736567130only sane answer.
>>736552774why would you want kids
>>736545676My kid is only 1 yo. Planning on letting her try some simple games once she's 6, and keep on increasing the difficulty as she grows up. Of course, we're of the mind of getting her into music and/or sports, so she may have a wider range of hobbies than me and my wife.>>736545843Came here in 2007 and I agree, but this place is def different from back then. It's worse, especially with the tourists.
>>736546871lmao /v/ dad shouting "uh oh melty!" at his kid is a funny image
>>736555770you wanted what you couldn't have, that's all there is to it
>>736568524Honestly that is exactly how you handle that situation as a parent. Show them that having a meltdown is a pure waste of their time and makes them look like an asshat.
>>736545676let kids do whatever theyre interested in and develop naturally just dont give them porn or some shit niggatheyre gonna end up somewhat like you anyway why abuse and restrict them whats the point
>>736545676I have not (willingly) had a conversation with another human being in over six months.WTF is this normie bullshit get the fuck off of my website you faggot
I think more important than what games a kid has access to is how many. Don't give a kid a bunch of games at once, make sure they have time to explore each one before introducing a new one. Preferably let them beat the games they already have rather than distracting them with momentary excitement over new shit.
>>736545676avoiding all technology until you're like 13 is correct though
>>736568195>failed parents>a bunch of people talking about not letting their toddlers play gacha shit or watch youtube kidsI am sorry your parents didn't love you enough to care anon, I really am.>>736569247This is very silly advice when you are dealing with children who aren't even in school yet. "Let them do what they want!!!" they don't know what a giraffe is.
>>736551292TV wasnt as bad as internet but it was bad lmao. Local singleplayer videogames like puzzle or platformers did less damage
>>736570648At least it was not a bidirectional communications method (barring stuff like infomercials, programs where you would call live, etc)The TV could get to the kids, but the kids couldn't just easily 'reply' to the TV.
>>736545676Most people are kinda dumb and unable to do what they ought to do to raise their kids properly. They worry about video games corrupting their kids (not realizing you can and should use them as vectors for shared activities) yet give them fucking cellphones and iPads by the time they're 3. It's retarded.>>736557002Kids are just badly behaved in general. The inner city behavior became the norm across all races. When I worked as a substitute teacher and essentially a tardwrangler to a bunch of middle school children, it was not only the black kids but the white ones too that were always acting like uppity pricks, not learning anything and generally being uncivilized. The kids aren't alright.>>736557778Weren't the Minecraft movie youth uprisings caused by white kids mostly too? Again, race isn't that much of a factor compared to people not actually raising their children. I'm going to have to hind a place where the kids are domesticated properly before I let my kid interact with other kids.
>>736557008I'm so surprised parents buy shit like CoD for their kids when there are a myriad of classic kid friendly games on any modern console (via PS Classics/Xbox's backwards compatibility and actual releases) and PC. (Good) games like Sakuna of Rice and Ruin aren't that rare to find, plus they're like the edutainment games of old that mixed and matched entertainment and education in a meaningful and fun way. Speaking of those types of edutainment games on the PC, does anyone know where I can find a torrent of all of them or where I can download them in general? I need to add that to my arsenal of things to help my as of now nonexistent children learn math, reading and various other subjects that it certainly aided in my mental development.
>>736545676My kids started playing games around the time they were six. Once my oldest could read, I set him up with Pokemon Platinum on my old DS. Once it was apparent he could take care of a handheld and not break it, I got him a Switch Lite for Christmas. He mostly just plays Minecraft on it, but sometimes plays Among Us.His younger brother followed a similar path, but basically skipped the DS step, mostly because he was always taking his brother's Switch and play games so I saw that he knew how to use and take care of it. Unlike his brother, he plays a wide variety of games. Switch Online is huge for him because he'll basically just go through every game and play it or try to beat it, even that bad ones. It's interesting watching him get better at games; he's nine now and over the last three years he's become a very well rounded player. Like he'll pick up a new game and immediately approach it from an analytic angle. "What is the actual way you win this game? How do I get good?" Both he and his older brother (now 11) have attended some Pokemon VGC Regional tournaments and competed in the Juniors. His older brother didn't do very well, but he's gone 3-3 two years in a row. He's going to be monstrous at games once he hits puberty, grows a full frontal lobe, and gains full hand-eye coordination.My youngest is turning 6 this year. He still can't read so we've been focusing on that. He also doesn't really care about games or even electronics. He's all about going outside and playing with yard tools. But not kid ones, because those can't actually do anything. No, I'll be inside and look out the window and see him running around with actual sheers, cutting bushes. Thankfully he's too weak to start a lawn mower. We'll see what happens with him.But yeah in terms of balance, I've found the best style of parenting is to let your kids follow their interests and just put up guard rails if they're doing something dangerous.
>>736545676I'm seeing two extremes of parenting. There are parents like the ones you mentioned, and then there's my 9yo nephew who plays pay2win Minecraft servers, Elden Ring, Hitman and gets his Discord account hacked while his mother plays Fortnite with him.
>>736569247>theyre gonna end up somewhat like you anywayAs I get older I see myself becoming more like my father was when I was a kid, and my father becoming more like my grandfather was when I was a kid. It's funny how much of our personalities are hard coded genetics. I get to look forward to a retirement of cable news and putting laxatives in bird feeders to poison squirrels.
I wish I had kids because I have 2 younger siblings and I had a lot of fun with them growing up, plus they made me feel wanted and gave me purpose as a big brother I didn't realize how much energy and happiness kids bring to life until they grew up and became more independent. But I turn 31 this year and I'm still a virgin and have never been on an actual date before, I don't think I'm able to take care of kids eitherI'm not ugly or anything, I haven't had any issues getting female attention, especially when I was a teenager, but I'm very avoidant because I was neglected and abused as a kid
Have I really been here long enough to see this place turn into /v/ - Parenting
>>736573256You can still find fulfillment in other ways, reproduction isn't just about genetics. You can spread your good, nurturing memes across humanity. You just need to find an outlet, like engaging in your community, doing social work of whatever.
Why did shitlennials become pearl-clutching faggots as they got older? We used to make fun of these types of people in our youths.
>>736573785>You can spread your good, nurturing memes across humanity.Memes are the DNA of the soul. Unironically spreading your strong memes is a better way to preserve your legacy than spreading your genes.
Boy on the right is cute. Left could lose some weight
>>736573892Anyone can queef out a little shithead, but memes actually build a bright future. Plenty of societies failed because of their shit memes, not genetics.
>>736546504>I just keep my "kids" away from MTX and games that employ manipulative tactics to makehow about you make them earn the money so they can see how much worth those skins actually vs the work they have to put in. the clarity will set in real quick and you don't even have to do the parenting work, nature does it for yougatekeeping some shit in that way only makes it more interesting >>736546871
>>736545676i only allow my son to watch dragon ball z and play 90s jrpgs on a CRT. it's the best childhood i could think to give him
>>736571891Fair
Me and a friend played AoE 2 a lot as kids, now our kids play AoE 2 together.They turn out pretty well so far.
My eldest likes playing Factorio and OpenRCT2.I think he's gonna be alright.
Fuck off normalfags.
>>736550807>your kid will be sentient instead of a fucking zombieftfy
>>736572521Try the internet archive, there's a whole section with ISOs of discs that you used to get with magazines or cereal boxes, library digital contents, etc.
normalfag thread
>>736577908the normalfag meme is painfully outdated. if you want to see what not being a normalfag means find the next twitter screencap thread for gossiping trannies
>>736545676its really funny seeing parents who are absolutely retarded subhumans and believe anything they read online thinking their like 140 iq child needs protection on the interwebs.
>>736578170We have to correct our understanding of normalfags, because there are normal people who are actually pretty cool, and there are people who participate in the worst normalfag behavior despite being extremely weird motherfuckers. This is because the definitional part of being a normalfag isn't being normal, but enforcing norms on others. The tranny saying "You shouldn't do that, it's heckin problematic" is a normal faggot, because they're appealing to group norms to control your behavior. They'll never take any grievance to you personally, they'll always appeal to some concept of normalcy, which always happens to be exactly what they want it to be, not what's actually normal.
>>736578538I've always separated that into normies for regular cool people and normalfags for the weird motherfuckers.
>>736577195my kids enjoyed cluefinders and super solvers and iirc i got those off internet archive
