>"You should learn japanese so you can play all the untranslated games that are stuck over there">There are actually no good untranslated games leftWhat did they mean by this?
If the Japanese used the Roman alphabet instead of that total crap they stole from China, I would have learned it ages ago.
>>736547112There are, tons of them.>>736547185Cringe.
>>736547112pretty much just the porn games and doujinspersonally i wanna understand the dialogue in jav
>>736547112Even if all games get translated, learning he language is still preferrable to digesting whatever the troonslators are feeding you.
>>736547112plenty of em left, you peanut-brained cretin
>>736547112It's actually so you can play the unfucked non trannylator version as it was intended.
>>736547112Sakura Wars is the best example of two things:- Japan becoming obsessed with a franchise doesn't mean it is good or worth looking into- Sometimes not localizing a game isn't a bad thing.
SD Sengokuden Kunitori Monogatari..yup...you'll NEVER play it..
>>736548176Bad example especially because it was Translated but shut the fuck up acfag
>>736547112>There are actually no good untranslated games leftThis argument makes zero logical sense because it assumes everything that got translated is good but you're not going to sit here and tell me temco secret of the stars is actually good and devil summoner is bad because atlus never brought it over
>>736549221It was FANtranslated, which is how many people, myself included, found it was shit. Games like Shin Megami Tensei or Live a Live became cultural phenomenons after they got fantranslations because they were genuinely good games, to the point where they got a second life via sequels / remakes. Meanwhile the first two Sakura Wars game finally got fantranslated... and no one gives a fuck because they're mediocrity incarnated.
>>736549551You dumb faggot. The official pc versions were officially translated years ago. 5 was translated. So was the reboot and the official anime ovas, please shut the fuck acfag. Don't you have a Nintendo Zelda thread to seethe in
>>736547185>he gets filtered by the runeseveryone knows the most hellish part of japanese is just syllables mashed together without moonrunes involved>garagara, gatagata, korokoro, mokomoko, mofumofu, kikkari, kippari, tekkiri, dokkiri, zutazuta, patapata, tekipaki, tonton, zubari, fuwafuwa, furafura, daradara, motamota, urouro, uru uru, chintara, yukkuri, battari, katto, kankan, etc.that and shit like animal and plant names which most people write in kana anyway>鸚鵡(parrot)>鴛鴦(mandarin duck)>長尾驢(kangaroo)>etc.
>>736549726>The official pc versions were officially translated years ago.No they weren't. The original Saturn versions of the first two games are the ones who got a fantranslation. The only Sakura Wars games that got official localizations were 5 and the reboot, both bombing because Sakura Wars is a shit franchise. >But the PC version of the first game got an obscure RUSSIAN versionSo?
>>736549932>doesn't count I accept your concession.
>>736547112If I wasn't so retarded, I'd learn moon rune for ffrk, but it would be so disheartening restarting from scratch
>>736547112>there's no longer any good game leftEN only has DRIPS from JP.It's true then and it's still true now.
>>736549957The obscure russian language indeed doesn't count due to obvious reasons.You're the one conceding about lying out of your ass.
>>736550160I have already accepted your concession and have won the argument. Any more replies be conceding to my stance, cope harder because I won. This is my last reply. If you want to have the last word that badly go ahead
>>736547112>he thinks those TRANSlations are any goodlollmao
>>736550390Don't you hate Japan now because of Takaichi?
>>736547112Even disregarding your point, the "translated" games you play are not real translations. Half of them are rewrites.
>>736547487>There are, tons of them.Name 10
>>736556470machigermsslayers gamestelefanggakkou de atta kowai hanashi (school horror stories)kisekko gurumiiseireki 1999bealpharethbahamut lagoon
>>736547112>he doesnt play kenka bacho series.I pity you anon.
Twilight Street Exploration Team
>>736558332>bahamut lagoon
>>736547112There's lots of untranslated porn and obscure mangas, it's also nice to enjoy stuff you like in the original language
>>736547185based
Translated Shining series?I remember looking at Shining Ark and it had this guy leading on the community for years. No idea how that turned out.
>>736547112There's some stuff I want to play that isn't translated, but also I want to replay my favorite nip games in their original language. It's the closest thing I can get to experiencing them again for the first time
>>736547112It's pure ignorance. There's only a few good untranslated games left on 3rd and 4th gen systems. But once you get to 5th and 6th generation, there are hundreds.
>>736547185That's boring because it's too easy. Learning German was fun but I thought it'd be harder. Maybe I should take the JP pill
Jutaijima still wasn't translated last I checked
>>736547112>"You should learn japanese so you can play all the untranslated games that are stuck over there"Plebeian motivation. The patrician reason is to enjoy the original authentic experience of your favorite 日本のゲーム.
>Tengai Makyou series is still mostly untranslated, unfortunately. I'm particularly annoyed that the Xbox360 remake of Ziria still has a huge fucking Xenia bug so it renders and plays perfectly until you get into a fight, and then the enemies never show up and things hang. If this could be fixed, it may get a fan translation the way the PCEngine finally did. Of course, there's also the other games like Tengai Makyou 2 Manjimaru which haven't been translated but there's a remake for PS2/Gamecube and a DS version in addition to the PCEngineCD original(not sure which is the definitive version or how they all compare)
Games, tv shows, books, old movies, all shit I would have not otherwise experienced.Do people really limit themselves on what they experience because "muh language" and wait for translations that don't capture the same meaning? This goes the same for people who read shit in other languages and translate in their head.
>>736547112What is Densha De Go Ryojo-hen?
>>736567943>This goes the same for people who read shit in other languages and translate in their head.Ive read this sentence about five times back to back and i have no idea what it means
>>736568205If you are reading a language and trying to translate it in your head to English instead of reading it as is in the actual language, you are doing it wrong, because you'll be driving yourself up the wall and missing out on important literary devices.
>>736547112The backlogs, retard. There's tons of untranslated old games you can check out.
>>736567943it would be much easier if jap were easy to learn, but it's a clusterfuck>look up exhibition. dictionary spits out 展示会, 展覧会, 博覧会. wtf>ok, how do you say miss. WTF there are like 12 ways to say miss? 抜けている(e.g. missing a tooth), ~逃す(聞き逃す miss hearing something, also to miss an entire lecture), 見逃す(miss a tv show), 外す(miss a shot), 乗り遅れる(miss a train), etc. etc. btw, there's no "list of words related to miss". you have to pray to god that you find the shit you want>tons of shit that does't have an equivalent. わけ vs ~のだ is a pain in the ass, especially in the cases where there's overlap. add 次第です to further fuck things up
>>736568656You can't learn a language in reverse.
The time to learn Japanese was 10 years ago. No point now they are infected.
>>736547670No there isn't.
>>736568656you just showed the flaws of english
>>736547185No you wouldn't, you have a bitchmade attitude.>w... well if it was a little easier I would have tried!!
>>736547112I played through Brightis last year, I was curious since it seemed like the closest thing to a 3D Zelda on PS1 this side of the Mega Man Legends games. Really disappointed in it, honestly. It seemed interesting at first, but I realized the game basically doesn't change or evolve in its gameplay or challenges as you progress; what you see in the first two dungeons is what you get for the rest of the game. You can learn magic and a ridiculous ton of new sword techniques, but they feel massively wasted on such a simple game.It's made worse with the plot; it is THE most generic broad-strokes JRPG shit imaginable, which is a real shame considering it was made by Quintet (who made games with great stories/premises like Actraiser, Illusion of Gaia, and Terranigma). Oh well. At least it plays better than The Granstream Saga and has superior music.
>>736547112there are none of them left anymore rly visual novels theres still some good untranslated ones tho
>>736568656monolingual retard
>>736569565It's not a flaw. Every language has this "issue". Some languages have one word for something that has many words in another language. Other languages have many words for something that's just one word in another language. The way things are expressed can be dramatically different. It's not a flaw, it's just how language works.
>>736569565English actually has the opposite problem, too much irregularity due to linguistic developments borrowed from other European languages along with a stunningly low number of total words in the language. Look at how many words a language like German has.
>>736568656bro youre making a mountain out of a molehilldont bother looking at eng words in another language, just learn the meaning thats relevant to any unknown word you see at that particular moment and dont worry about the restexact same way you have improved your english your entire life, at home, at school, at work, etcits literally no different except for the frequency that you have to use a dictionary, even then you can regulate your own pace of looking shit up, just skip phrases for now if you find it too hard, it wont be the last time you see itall in all i find that most people treat language learning like a race and unironically they spend a long time learning nothing because they are in a rush to go "nowhere" instead of going "somewhere" at a steady pace
>>736568820>deflects the pointtypical. point is>there's no straightforward way to look up differences between words>you can't find the words you want>there's no one to explain the usage of the things you learnno wonder the jlpt is memed on all the time for not testing active skills
>>736547185You wouldn't, because reading Japanese with kana or romaji only is even more difficult than reading it with kana and kanji.
>>736570317ThisEternal N5s dont understand that kanji is a language functionIt is not aesthetic
>>736570270>there's no straightforward way to look up differences between wordsA monolingual dictionary. You need to work your way up it.
>>736570407*up to it
>>736570407>not a dictionary of synonymsand that's strike 3
>>736570485No, that would be strike 2.
>>736570270This used to be a problem but I have been using chatgpt for it and it's amazing. When the dictionary gives a stupid vague definition I just ask chatgpt what it means and how it's different from similar words and it has made learning vocabulary so much easier.
>>736570270>jlpt is memed on all the time for not testing active skillsNo, it's memed on because everyone who has done it would tell you that it isn't really a measurement of anything other than very lightweight acquisition. It's designed to signal to companies who might be considering hiring or sponsoring you that you're at least willing to put in the absolute barest minimum of effort in learning the language enough to do your own paperwork, even if you never speak it properly.It's one of those things where it's designed for attainment rather than for achievement, contrary to what the name suggests.I still encourage everyone to try it when they feel ready because it can be a big confidence boost, just as long as they understand that even if you pass, you're not fluent yet.
>>736549354No, it doesn't. It literally doesn't. You can't parse a basic logical statement correctly.Regardless, you should learn japanese to play anything that's originally japanese, translation or not.
>>736570317It's easier to read in kana than it is kanji. Only beginners think otherwise because their vocabulary is weak.
>>736571124>It's easier to read in kana than it is kanjikanasoup suckssure, it's gonna suck when you see shit like 葡萄茶 and you go "shit, that reads ebicha"? but handwriting input quickly solves most woes. or if you're lazy, OCR and texthookerseven if you're able to read words aloud it's hardly useful if you don't know their meaning or how they're used
>>736571124t. beginner
>>736571306Nothing is written in kanasoup. Kana games always contain spaces/line breaks after particles and clauses, making it easy to parse.Don't know a word? That's easy, just look it up. Don't know a kanji? Time to Bust out the third-party app to figure out what it is. Hope you know which reading the author intended.
>>736571360Yes, you are a beginner.
>>736547185The writing system isn't the hard part. The grammar is. If you're filtered by kana and kanji then you stand NO chance of mastering Japan's ass-backward grammar.
>>736571091He actually did parse it correctly.>temco secret of the stars is actually good and devil summoner is bad because atlus never brought it overHe's taking it to it's logical conclusion which is that every good game has been translated. Therefor devil summoner is bad because if it were good it would be translated. There is an error in that translated games can still be bad, meaning Tecmo can be worse than Devil summoner and still get translated, which makes the temco mention irrelevant, but you are saying all untranslated games aren't good.
>>736571453>Hope you know which reading the author intended.分かる人は分かる笑
>>736571650It can often be ambiguous without a gloss or a voiced line.
>>736571453>just look it upgreat. have fun scrolling through a list. have fun with shit like 解る 判る 分る, 帰る and 還る, etc.>which readingthere's generally very little ambiguity. you'll often see furigana when they intend a specific reading (e.g. 雷(いかずち), 獣(けだもの)) or they use kana outright
In all seriousness how the fuck do Japanese middle schoolers learn so many kanji? My mining deck is up to like 1300 kanji and I still find new ones every time I read anything.
>>736549926I hope you are bullshitting meI only know a handful of kanji so far but onomatopeia "sounds" are extremely easy to understand
どこは日本語の出来るて行ってかこの書くは間違いてばごめんive been studying for a few months but ive basically not done any speaking or writing yet...........
>>736571770>great. have fun scrolling through a list. have fun with shit like 解る 判る 分る, 帰る and 還る, etc.Those are all the same word, just spelled differently for nuance. Same with things like 見る・観る. They difference in semantics is purely stylistic.>there's generally very little ambiguity. you'll often see furigana when they intend a specific reading (e.g. 雷(いかずち), 獣(けだもの)) or they use kana outrightNot necessarily. See 大地震? Could be おおじしん or だいじしん. See 左腕? Could be さわん or ひだりうで. See 大蛇? Could be おろち or だいじゃ. See 刺青? Could be いれずみ or しせい.My personal favorites are 年月 (としつき・ねんげつ) and 頬 (ほほ・ほう).
>>736571883there are a ton of tricks to them. rikusho, radicals (help you break them down), patterns compounds fall into, associating them with words, ifu and onpu (see keisei moji), other mnemonics>嘘を吐くboth runes have 口(mouth radical). you use your mouth to tell lies. 吐く(つく) means to breathe, to puke, let out air. see also the more common 吐く(はく)shit like thatkanken autists have a ton of strategies
>>736571572No, because>There are no good untranslated games leftdoes not imply that all the games that were translated were good, just that amongst the translated games are all the good ones. But there might still be bad games amongst the translated ones.Whether any of those statements is true is a different matter altogether. But, for instance, Temco can be worse than Devil Summoner and get translated, and it's consistent as long as Devil Summoner is also bad, even if less than Temco.
>>736572289You're overthinking it. The real and more obvious reason is that they're blasted with vocabulary in their everyday environment constantly, not just at school or during study team.
>>736559616Yuuyami Doori?In the same vein as Planescape Torment and such, there'd be a pronounced group saying this was the best written, best game ever made if it had come out outside of Japan.
>>736572463why? is it that good
>>736572249Mine is 大事 but in most cases it doesn't matter what's the intended reading.
>>736568159aw hell yeah nigga
>>736572245誰か…?
>>736572489I would say so.It's really a commentary on the economic collapse of Japan following the bubble as much as it is a horror story.There are ghosts, but they're mostly tragic victims of urban decay as anyone else.One of the early mysteries sees you looking for a grave said to belong to Hanako-san (that one), which, speaking to some old people reveals is a corruption of the truth. There really was on old grave (not Hanako's) in the town of some sort of spiritual significance (firgive me, it's been a while since I played this game), but they paved it over and built a carpark on it.
ITT: Monolingual shitters mald about their monolingualism and make excuses for their failures to learn anything.
>>736547185They should've just spoken English in the first place.
>>736572605I think the one saving grace of 大事 is that the だいじ reading will often be accompanied by に or な. >in most cases it doesn't matter what's the intended reading.True, but the fact that the reading can be impossible to discern is annoying. There would obviously have to be another orthagraphical reform for kana to be viable, but I still hold that kana-only sentences are easier to read, provided they have spaces.
>want to learn both japanese and chinese>have gotten like 1k words deep in anki on each of them>get FOMO for the language I didn't chose, slowly fall off of the language I'm studying, and eventually swap to the other oneThis has happened multiple times.
>>736568656Japanese to English dictionaries are actually just fucked, what you need is a textbook to explain the meaning of words properlyYou should also eventually realize that the way we use certain words is not the same way the japanese use certain words, at which point you'll need to switch over to solely relying on Japanese to Japanese dictionaries. But if you can't read japanese dictionaries, then your next best bet is reading textbooks which adequately explain the way japanese use certain words, or you can try and look up the words on google image search and see if they match the english description. Unfortunately, most words you look up will just turn out calligraphy writing of that kanji or that word. Also sometimes Japanese to Japanese dictionaries don't capture the nuance of the Japanese word anyways, like how 適当is always defined as "proper, adequate" in both english and japanese dictionaries, despite the word only being colloquially used to mean "half-assed, bad job, sloppy," so it's kinda fucked no matter what you do.Dictionaries are just fucked in general, I remember seeing a couple English to English dictionaries that don't define a word properly, or miss out on important nuance for words, but I've forgotten what words they are so you'll just have to take my word for it.
>>736573018>Japanese to English dictionaries are actually just fuckedI disagree. J-E dictionaries, when taking it account every listed definition, will accurately tell you the intended use of a word. Their only weakness is that they don't have always include the best English equivalents.
>>736573148they will tell you the intended use, and 4 other unrelated definitions, and you gotta figure out which one is the correct one
>>736573018It feels like dictionary writers have forgotten what the actual use case for dictionaries is. They want the shortest definitions possible instead of telling you what a word actually means and how it's used.
>>736572249ひだりうで is a million times more commonI'd go with だいじしんおろち for snekいれずみ is most commonly 入れ墨 so I'm partial to しせいanyway, writers are expected to clear shit up if the reader genuinely can't tell. unless it's deliberate for effect
>>736568656Just say ミスBoom done
>>736573519ヒット
Friendly reminder you don't have to be fluent in a language to have a conversation in itI have conversations with my jap teacher about all sorts of shit and I'm a le eternal N3 dekinai kun. Sure I make mistakes but the meaning is conveyed
>>736573201Generally the semantics of a given word are all pretty closely linked since... it's one word with multiple senses. It wouldn't make much sense otherwise.I've never really understood the whole meme about "graduating" to monolingual dictionaries. I'll use one if I want corroboration for a very specific nuance that a descriptive, longer-form dictionary will be more likely to capture or have examples for, but I don't think I've ever felt that a J>E dictionary like jisho is insufficient for its purpose; which is a reference for basic meaning and usage, where you already are looking at an example sentence that prompted your lookup, rather than an involved and comprehensive description of a word and all its senses.It's not like it's perfect but when you look at it through the lens of being an imperfect reflection of another language's semantics, it does what it needs to just fine.
>>736573736>being illiterate is okYou WILL learn the kanji, and you WILL enjoy it
>>736573921picrel is unironically truei counted the stars yesterday after having hot passionate sex with a japanese prostitutethere arent that many です
>>736573018J-E dictionaries tend to include example sentences that clear shit upunfortunately, JMDict often dumps lists of words on you, often containing words that definitely aren't synonymousshit like that is precisely why dictionaries like the LEJD contain a ton of example sentencesjust dealing with words like "old" is a pain in the ass (〜年だから, 歳のせいか, 年を取った, 年老いた, ジジイ, 老いぼれ, etc.)
>>736574102老人 is apparently rude, I said "roujin" to one of my friends, and he said "don't say that, it's rude to 年上 people"
>>736574227Did he get angry?
>>736574227年配者 お年寄り 高齢者you're gonna get smacked in the face all the same though
>>736574102>>736574227>>736574289dude you gotta make it less obvious lmao
>>736574358年配の方 is what I would say.
>>736547112Learn Chinese
>almost 100 posts she hasn't shown up to mock me>>736573921fucking bitch
>>There are actually no good untranslated games lef-
>>736575561>pre-cerothose were the days
>>736575561welll I can read that right there, it says 'siba doru'
>>736575941That's the reading. You need to look at the romaji
>>736573326>ひだりうで is a million times more commonIncorrect. さわん (Sino-Xenic reading) is both the more common and the preferred reading.>I'd go with だいじしんEither is common, but the technically correct reading (and the one you'll hear on NHK) is おおじしん.>おろち for snekEither, though おろち is technically a semantic reading. It actually comes from the word 尾ろ (おろ) and 霊 (ち).>いれずみ is most commonly 入れ墨 so I'm partial to しせいYes, but 刺青 is the more common word and いれずみ is the more common spelling for said word.>anyway, writers are expected to clear shit up if the reader genuinely can't tell. unless it's deliberate for effectDepends on the style guide of the publisher. Disambiguations are many times not provided, even if a word has multiple valid readings.
>>736573201Completely untrue. But I'm willing to be convinced, if you can even find an example of that.
>>736547112Why is there so much elitism in Japanese language learning circles bros
>>736575941It says saiba dooru.
>>736576983I guess I should be consistent if I'm being an asshole: Saibaa Dooru = wapuro romajiSaiba Doru = Hepburn sans macrons
>>736547112deSpiria is one of the most interesting games I've ever played.>>736575561Sell me on this game.I will buy and play it if you make a good case.
I don't care about untranslated games. I want to play the best games the way they were meant to be experienced. Especially anything that doesn't have full voice. If there's Japanese voice acting, less is loss in translation because you can hear the tone and inflection. But if there's not voice acting, you're just reading English and miss out on a ton of characterization that no translation can capture.
>>736547185BASED TRVKE
>>736578085I have played games only in the form of Japanese text + Japanese audio for the last ten years.Most games are rife with content which strikes as simply untranslateable and can only be rendered in English via rough approximation or rewrite.Anyone who played Danganronpa in English, for ecample, I would say hasn't really played the game at all.
>>736576954Dozens of lonely uncharismatic men who have a lot to prove and take an unhealthy pride in the only skill theyve ever bothered to learn in lifeIm femanon and its super unattractive, egoraging and elitism immediately tells me you are an unmotivated guy and/or a napoleon
I dont like Japanese people.
>>736576954because learning it is very easy so you end up looking down on the retards too stupid to put in any effort for just 1-2 years at best
>>736547185its funny because even the japs hate kanji
>>736547112Ok go find a Bunny Black 3 translation
>>736579216Source?Kanji are your friend. Only N5 hate kanji.Attempts to read actual literature by N1 beginners like myself are facilitated by kanji.
>>736579136>learning it is very easyI must be stoopid thenI really do try but its so hard to keep up with anki day after day and also only having an hour to immerse on workdays doesnt feel like enough
How easy is it to learn Spanish? It would make me $20k more a year.
>>736578669I wholeheartedly agree. I just grabbed the Danganronpa ROM the other week, and with your endorsement I will have to give it a go. I've never played it before.
>>736558332That's only 9, dum dum
>>736579136as someone CERTIFIED IN JAPANESE, don't spread this "japanese is actually an easy language" bullshit. It's not.The Obama Administration's Foreign Service Insitute ranked Japanese as the hardest language for an american to learn because of the japanese culture requirements in the language pushing it above Chinese/Arabic/Korean.Trump's Administration's Foreign Service Institute still ranks Japanese as one of the hardest languages to learn, but took away that cultural requirement from their analysis, putting it on equal footing with Chinese, Arabic, and Korean.You can see Trump's FSI ranking here: https://2009-2017.state.gov/m/fsi/sls/orgoverview/languagesI personally believe Obama's ranking. Japanese is just harder than korean arabic or chinese.
>>736579408you're not, see >>736579931i'm past the hard part of japanese. it becomes easier the more you get into it.
>named moron shows up to make it all about himthread was good while it lasted
>>736547185Just use an app like Maneki Kanji or something, it’s not that hard
I like kanji and I'm learning Japanese and I'm gonna dekiru but anyone who says Japanese wouldn't work with romaji is plain coping or delusional Romaji would literally only bring down the amount of issues the writing system already has without introducing any new ones, and any remaining issues could be helped with much less effort>b-b-but muh homonyms! how are you going to tell them apart?!Same way you do kanji/words with multiple readings, context or a helping system like furigana, and instead of having the entire word written out in tiny kana to tell people what it is, you could just have superscript numbers like 1 2 3 standardized for each meaning of kumo, kakeru, hashi etcKanji is such a huge unwieldy inefficient system and still requires hiragana, furigana, dakutens, sokuons, pure guesswork etc to work, it'd be like the west still clinging to roman numerals and trying to code programs with them, inventing seven layers of cope on top to not have to give them up because muh tradition To me the worst part by far is having names you have no idea how to read until someone tells you how, which to me defeats the whole point of being able to write namesOf course this is all about language and writing/reading efficiency, the real purpose of the system is social and filtering gaikokujin from integrating into their society, the same way the ruling class once used it to style on the illiterate poor
>>736547185logographic languages are fundamentally fucking retardedt. mathoid
>>736580198We call them tripfags, newfag.
>>736580604tis a /jp/ jokeperhaps wasted on the /v/ audience
>>736547112it means you have shit taste and you are lazy OP
>>736580304You would kill the written language, which is the strongest point of Japanese. Actual understanding of what is said and what the writer means is often deeper as a result of how kanji are used. Japanese is both a writer’s nightmare and a writer’s wet dream, since it provides so many tools to create meaning from a single word. I don’t think OP, with their limited 26-letter alphabet, will ever understand this feeling. That’s why they find slice-of-life and Japanese dialogue boring, because they read them with a combo of basic boring language AND dogshit translation. Reading them in Japanese is a lot more fun than that.
>>736580304side with the people in Japan.America wanted a romaji japan. they tried to pull it off, and it didn't work.The people of Japan disagree.
>>736581640>reddit spacing
>>736580304>the real purpose of the system is social and filtering gaikokujin from integrating into their societyThen it's done an absolutely terrible job, kek
>>736581739look man, my argument in this whole debacle of "westernizing japan", is that Japan needs to protect it's soul. That soul is the Japanese language.Associating Amaterasu Omikami with romaji is Blasphemy in Japan. Her name should only be stated with kanji.
I want a suteki japanese GF...
>>736581142>it provides so many tools to create meaning from a single wordLimitations breed creativity. Deeper linguistic mechanisms don't amount to much because true meaning and understanding comes from structure and subversion of structure, which is why European languages have so many works of high prestige, even when many of them will actually use deceptively simple language.I know weebs and JP nationalists get angry when this is pointed out, but no Japanonic language work is a serious consideration for the pantheon of all-time greatest feats of human literature. There's genuinely none.
>>736581142>I don’t think OP, with their limited 26-letter alphabet, will ever understand this feeling.That sounds like total bullshit to me.If, by any chance, having seven hundred million letters (because your civilization was never smart enough to realize that phonemes are a better solution for writing than drawing out every single word) were some kind of magical literary tool, then you'd see Westerners literally drawing a bunch of garbage in their texts to make up for what their letters aren't capable of saying. I think you're getting too excited about deciphering little things that should be obvious and confusing obscurity with sophistication.
>main advantage of logographic language over phonographic is a reduction in ambiguity from different words having the same spelling and differentiating themselves via pronunciation>you have to memorise literally thousands of symbols just to have basic comprehension>typing them is a fucking nightmare>applies a natural debuff to anyone with the slightest myopia, hyperopia, or any other vision defect due to its dense and complex symbols>ends up having ambiguous symbols and pronunciations anyway
>>736582141>>736582317no, but, you dont understandi saw the old boomer coded unfunny 女 kanji meme posted on twitter and it made me realise the literary applications (which i will never apply in my own writing btw)im no longer just a weeb, im an AUTHENTIC JAPANESE
why is cheap woman with a hat shit's expensive
>>736582039Ayy lmao
>>736581959The Japanese soul died a long time ago. You only need to visit Japan once to realise it.
>>736547185basedimagine using hundreds of caveman scribbles and trying to pass yourself off as a modern civilisation
>>736579408what have you been reading?
>>736580295There isn't even a web version, it's only available on iPad, iPhone and fuck you if you don't have any of those.
>>736582141So languages with limited vocabularies and sound inventories, like some bumfuck amazonian jungle language spoken by 50 people, would breed the most amount of creativity and high prestige works?Or is there some arbitrary "limit" that you decide creates these prestige works?Maybe the simpler answer is more tools -> more possibilities for creativity and not this nebulous argument of yours.
>>736581959>Her name should only be stated with kanji.Kanji you couldn't write without looking them up, N4-kun.What makes you any sort of authority?
>>736582141>no Japanonic language work is a serious consideration for the pantheon of all-time greatest feats of human literature. There's genuinely none.t. harold bloom
the GOOD untranslated games don't need a translation to be enjoyed
>>736583113There's nothing nebulous about academia and intellectualism. Say whatever you want about it, you can't say it lacks a clear consensus.What, you seriously think something like, uh... *checks notes* uhhh, uh well just imagine that there's a really good Japanese book here, and it's somehow greater than Finnegans Wake, one of the most beautiful, haunting, and difficult works of fiction to ever grace humankind?You're arguing against a firmly established critical consensus. Japanese is a beautiful language for classical poetry but not for anything else in literary terms.
If it wasn't translated, it wasn't good.Besides, AI translation is just around the corner. My brain already got used to MTL.
>>736583897holy pseud
>>736547112Nice try trannylator>>736547185kek scrub
>>736547490That's a bit like learning english as a foreigner. All it does is make you cringe the more you understand what is actually said. Games and movies were magical to me as child because english was a foreign language and I would imagine moments that felt serious also felt really profound in whatever it meant. As an adult I'd go back to many of my favorites and realize the dialogue is worse than Joss Whedon shit.
>>736583897It's no surprise that people who only study western literature deem it to be the greatest works to ever exist. They all need to get their heads out of their asses. Especially when they jerk themselves off to understanding such a horrible book like Finnegans Wake.
>>736584102no once you learn japanese or any language, you can finally understand that trash is trash and kino is kinoit's really that simpleyou seriously never found a single work you appreciated more?
>>736584073Implicit admission of ignorance - concession accepted! Good to know that a Japanese native agrees with me.>>736584189Speaking ill of Joyce speaks to a lack of intellectual curiosity, or perhaps to a kind of, shall we say, idle imagination. I know that many people find a kind of baser pleasure in contrarianism too, even in the academic world, so all I'll say is that no matter where you go in the world, Japanese isn't often taken seriously as a literary language, and it's not for lack of studying - it's for lack of material.
>>736583897>>736584526Your argument rests on a claim of consensus that does not hold. You treat literary scholarship as settled and hierarchical in a way it is not, then use that assumption to exclude an entire language tradition. Works such as The Tale of Genji are not marginal cases; they are routinely placed at the center of discussions about the novel and world literature. Your linguistic point is also misdirected. Literary force does not scale with surface complexity. What matters is how a text organizes time, perspective, and voice, and how it handles implication and resonance. Japanese literature has sustained traditions working precisely along those lines, and dismissing them on the basis you give does not engage with that material.You also treat Finnegans Wake as if it were a fixed summit that settles comparison in advance. It is a canonical work, but its status has always been argued over, including within the same critical traditions that elevate it. Invoking it as a decisive benchmark sidesteps the actual work of comparison. The rest of your post leans on labeling rather than analysis, which avoids the need to show how specific texts succeed or fail. If the claim is comparative, it needs to proceed through reading and evidence; without that, the conclusion is asserted rather than established.
>>736584526I know you people are frauds because you never have an inch of criticism to give these works. I've seen the circlejerking that goes on in these groups. It's very rare that you find someone who has the balls to call out all the contrived coincidences in Les Mis, the misplaced rants in Brothers Karamazov, etc. They're afraid to criticize these works, so they end up putting them on a pedestal, to be later used as a bludgeoning instrument for Japanese works, for example.Just to make my stance clear, while I do think there are possibilities in Japanese that aren't available to other languages, I wouldn't use it to make the claim that it would make works in Japanese inherently exceptional. The same claim you make with European languages, which btw are a broad spectrum in terms of complexity and breadth of expression, so you can't just lump them all together to make the claim "limitation breeds creativity which breeds great works like Finnegan's Wake".The elements to make a great story, exist largely outside of the language used to convey it. In fact I dislike a lot of stories that heavily rely on the language itself to dress itself up, instead of creating a great narrative independent of whatever it's written on. It proves that you're great at writing in X language, not that you're great at writing stories. Language is really just a spice, pardon the food analogy, and that would make Japanese really spicy.There are some works which I found 2nihongo4u, i.e. overspiced, but there are works that would be great translated into fucking Urdu. Point is you'd never find them if you have your head up you ass like this.
>>736582141>no Japanonic language work is a serious consideration for the pantheon of all-time greatest feats of human literature. There's genuinely none.In the west? Duh. Japanese literature stops being literature once it's been enshittified into English. The transition from Japanese to English is like what happens when you take a picture of the Mona Lisa and print it on a napkin.
>>736582141When you don’t understand the language and are too old to learn it or have wasted time on other things, the only things left are random guesses and coping mechanisms like this. The way you brought up pseudo-intellectual /lit/ stuff out of nowhere shows your desperation to reassure yourself that you’re not losing anything and that your time wasn’t wasted reading those books instead of learning Japanese.
>>736572889They almost did it for real.
>>736587476>When you don’t understand the language and are too old to learn it or have wasted time on other thingsNo... we can still save pseudanon... You've all given up on him... I-I still haven't... No one is too old to learn japanese!NO ONE!!!
>>736547185BASED BASED BASEDFUCK chink hieroglyphics
>>736567190Replaying japanese games you've already played in english, except this time in japanese, is almost like playing the game again for the first time. It's really kino.Sometimes it's like playing an entirely different game because they changed so much.I was recently playing Skies of Arcadia in japanese, a game i own for both dreamcast and gamecube from back in the day - and fuck it's a really different game in its original language.
>>736568205NUTA but when you are a novice or even intermediate, and you're reading a foreign language, you tend to translate it into your native language instead of just absorbing it as it is.It's a habit you have to get out of and it takes time.
>>736570815You'll eventually realise chatgpt is feeding you BS and you'll have to unlearn a bunch of incorrect nonsense.Many people cripple themselves over-using AI.
>>736547185Not even that. They could've kept the hiragana. A phonetic alphabet is easy to learn. All you need to do is remember the phonetic orders.The kanji is just utter faggotry. KANJI LOOK LIKE MOUTH BECAUSE ENTRY IS MOUTHFuck off with that cavepainting grugshit niggernonsense
>>736571124This is the most dekinai thing in this entire thread.
>>736569719>it was made by QuintetThey were a VERY different company after the 4th gen. Especially once founding member Masaya Hashimoto left.You can see the impact by playing actraiser, soul blazer and illusion of gaia (which he directed), and then playing terranigma (which he didn't direct). It's a massive drop in quality because it just recycles the same themes as the previous games instead of coming up with anything unique.
>>736547185Everyone who has never tried learning japanese thinks this. Because if you had tried, you'd know that kanji are amazing, they're cheat codes that make reading easier, and the actual problem with japanese is the fucking grammar.
>>736573921Learning kanji is pointless. They're not words and they're not used on their own. So learning them on their own is a useless waste of time.t. wasted 6 months on kanji when i first started in 2018.
>>736576954Because there are a lot of people giving incorrect advice.
>>736592439I've only asked it to explain words that I've encountered in the wild, and it pretty much always matches up with how I see them used. There are some questions that it sucks at answering and will just give you garbage for, but it's good at disambiguation.
America fucked up. They had the opportunity to force the japs speak to speak a normal language, but instead that fucking weeb MacArthur let them keep their barbaric culture.
>>736584360>you can finally understand that trash is trash and kino is kinothis
>>736576954because there are tons of retards who can't even read faqs doing it as a novelty. it gets tiring to explain the same shit over and overmoreover, no one wants to budge an inch, so they double down. I've seen tons of counterproductive advice (e.g. bilingual dictionaries bad) when in 99% of other languages people would be fine with it. most of it seems to stem from seeing retards misusing the tools they're given (e.g. taking what a bilingual dictionary says as gospel). in some cases it can get so bad people start blaming learners every time instead of acknowledging that something is seriously fucked when there's such a massive gap between passive and active skills in speakers from both sides
>>736592954Then anime and everything you like about Japan would never exist, since they would have an Americanized internet, an Americanized mindset, and all the associated agendas.
>>736547112If you are content with playing fan fiction tier translations then ok. Hope you have fun.
Anyone ever dropped Anki because it never got efficient to them? For me I had used Anki for 2+ years but I only ever managed to "learn" ~3k words and out of those ~3k I can barely remember less than half when reading the actual content. So I decided to just drop it and use that time for reading. Not sure if it's a good idea but I'm tired of this shit. I have a really shitty memory.
>>736593045I don't like anything about Japan. They had some cool videogame consoles in the 80's but by 1993 PC gaming was objectively superior in every way to consoles.
>>736593165PC only started being good in the late 90s to 2000s consoles mogged them and even pc devs like Sierra admitted as much
>>736593350Wrong
>>736593406Rightt. grew up with PC
>>736593418No you didn't
>>736593492>N-NOCope harder, Again PC did not truly surpass consoles until late 90s and 2000s this is true and it was the peak but nowadays they're one in the same
>>736583695そうですね。
>>736593542>t. console peasantYou lost. Get over it.
>>736547112Time Twist still remains untranslated because of some weird text compression method that game uses.
>>736593160anki is supposed to help you memorize stuff (e.g. mt. fuji is 3776 meters tall), not teach you new things from scratch. e.g. you can't expect to grasp the difference between 〜ので and 〜から by glancing at a card for 5 seconds
>>736593160If you are reading you are learning quickly enough.I have quit anki for a long, long time now. But I cannot deny that I would have a bigger vocabulary now if I actually mined what I read and used an anki deck.It's boring as fuck though and too much work. Reading is more fun, I'm just gonna read so much that the spaced repetition happens without any effort from me.
>>736592439Nah, language models are really good at parsing language. That and coding.
itt: retarded lazy americans
>>736547112It’s not about playing untranslated games anymore, it’s about not having your experience tainted.
>>736592859you WILL learn the Latin inflections and cases, and you WILL enjoy it
>>736593025Both English -> Japanese education as well as Japanese ->English education are irreparably fucked
>>736577136>wapuro romajierm, actually, that'd be Saiba- do-ruIDIOT IDIOT IDIOT IDIOT
>>736574227you called your slightly older friend 老人 or were you talking about some geriatric neighbour to your friend?
>>736547185If Japanese was entirely written in the Roman alphabet it would be a disaster.
>>736579931Conversely, the Japanese comparatively don't have that difficult a time learning English. You'd think it'd work the same way in reverse considering learning Japanese as an English speaker is fucking nutbusting, but apparently (and I got this opinion from a couple of Japanese school teachers) English is about halfway up the language difficulty totem pole. It's still plenty difficult, but it's not THAT difficult
>>736594481see >>736580304
>>736579763If you're a native English speaker, you can be fluent in spanish in less than a year
>>736580304>>736581142I think we should go back to Heian era poetry where they did in fact write in nothing but kana
>>736594447Hyphens aren't typically used with wapuro, so long vowels are rendered with a double vowel.
>>736582141>Europeans don't consider asian literature to be in the CanonGee, I fucking wonder why
>>736592859Other way around for me, wasted months trying to learn vocabulary with zero kanji knowledge and quit due to frustration of never being able to recognize what the fuck I'm even looking at and having to come up with inefficient ways of telling them apart Then I speedran learning how to draw and recognize kanji and their meanings in 40 days and now I'm loving Anki vocab, reading, learning etc, learned how to read and write 4000 words in 4 months so far and I'm thinking of ramping it up since it's only getting easier
>>736583113>languages with limited vocabularies and sound inventoriesthat's called german, they got only a few words, but you can just jam any combination of them together and BAM you got a new word. This is how Old English worked too before they got Christianized by the Romans and fucked by the Normans
>>736576954Dunning Kreuger. Guys who do the bare minimum, like JLPT, suddenly feel like they are authorities on a subject. But in reality they're probably middling at best and in need of a reality check. But because it's actually difficult to get humbled by speaking with natives or visiting Japan itself they become elitists in their own bubbles believing their own hype.
>>736594524>Japanese comparatively don't have that difficult a time learning Englishwhat the fuck are you talking about? They teach it in every school and like .001% of the population knows more than 10 words
>>736592575>no argumentI accept your concession.
>>736594448I was talking to my friend and the topic of old people came up. He said that sometimes they're called "silver years" or "gold years" like a reserved seat will be called a "silver seat" but no one in Japan likes being called "silver" or "gold" in reference to their age, and then I said we have race categories in some American sports called "Silver division" and "Gold division" for people 55+ and 65+ respectively and I said "roujin" and that's when he said "roujin is really rude, don't say that, you should say something like toshiue instead"
>>736594694nigga, if you type saibaa dooru into a word processor (read: computer) exactly as written, then you getサイバアドオルwhat you want is saiba- do-ru, so you'll get the properサイバードールdon't you EVER talk back to me mister
>>736594594Maybe I'm just stupid but it took me at least 3 before I stopped pausing for 5 seconds any time I had to think of a verb conjugation that wasn't simple past or present.
>>736547112>There are actually no good untranslated games leftHomogay retard.
>>736595043Not quite. A word processor was a special device that would hook up to a Japanese computer and handle the conversion of regular text into Japanese. The term later came to mean romaji that you can type to disambiguate words with macrons and/or homophonous syllables like づ using just the alphabet.
>>736594884That's a problem with the teachers, not the language. They're being taught by teachers who don't understand English, and then they grow up not understanding English, and then they teach English without understanding it. Japanese people who actually have a competent teacher will learn English relatively quicker than if they were to learn a language like Russian or Arabic from an equally competent teacher.
>>736595237Welcome to Romance languages
>>736571124>>736594914>yoo nigga this is a lot better than kanji sheeet
>>736595479I cannot fucking stand full width dakuten
>>736595479The font's ugly and the whole thing is in katakana (with full-width diacritics), rather than hiragana, but yes, it's easier. If you don't know the word 説明, for example, then you'd have to use a third-party app of some kind just to figure out the kanji, but since it's written phonetically, you can actually look it up or even just sound it out.
>>736595663Or you can often guess the meaning just by looking at the kanji. That’s the difference. With English, you know how something sounds but not necessarily what it means at first glance. With Japanese, you often understand the meaning visually, but you don’t immediately know how to pronounce it. If everything were written phonetically, you would have to stop and think about many words you see, which would slow down reading. With kanji, you can often grasp the meaning in just a few seconds, and if a word is too difficult, you can mine it to memorize it.
>>736595832Nope, if you had never seen the characters 説 and 明 before, you wouldn't know how to pronounce them, thus you wouldn't know if it was a word you've heard before, and you wouldn't be able to look it up without a radical search, writing tool, or OCR software. Meanwhile, if you see せつめい・セツメイ, then you can look it up or ask yourself if it's something you've heard in speech. Obviously, this is an easy example, but it can get a lot harder when a common word is glossed with irregular kanji.
>>736595479lol
>>736596020Funny how you can only use せつめい as an example, because if you use any other word that has more than two or three kanji with different meanings (which you can only distinguish by pitch accent in speech), your argument gets annihilated.
>>736596535No, it can apply to any word. I just picked one at random from your pic. If you didn't know 素直, then you can't look it up. If you didn't know 頷く, then you can't look it up. If you didn't know 瞳, then you can't look it up, etc. etc.
>>736550390the only thing you won is retard award
>>736596734Kanji Dictionaries are sorted by radicals, if you can recognize a radical, then you can find the kanji
this thread suck so much ass bruh
>>736596789Radical searching via paper dictionary (or even digital) is by far the most tedious way to look up a word, thus a kana-only sentence would be easier to read and look up.
>>736547185If they had only used Hiragana and Kanji I would've probably learned it by now as well. Katakana is akin to staring at long-math and calling it readable by human eyes.
>>736596958You mean hiragana and katakana?
>>736593160its only good for kanji readings and speeding up the startpeople wanna cope and do 50k cards but it never works and they still sound like shit at the end of it all
>>736596994no I meant what I meant. Katakana is aids ridden dogshit.
Kanji was made to filter peasants and still works to this day. What a blessing.
>>736597086Uh, I think kanji is a little tougher than katakana, anon.
>>736597134nah that dude is right youd only get it if you were half decent
>>736597134There's at least only a few use cases per type of case helped with hiragana in most cases of Kanji use. Katakana on the other hand looks like aids and you HAVE TO guess the language its trying to mimic the sounds of in order to get its pronunciation right.
>>736547112there is shotton of games to retranslate properly to remove poz agendamake the world a better place
>>736596945That's why you stick furigana on everything above your audience's reading level
>>736597192Just ask the Japanese companies to train an AI to translate Japanese to English in the most straightforward way with zero bullshit on screen translation type of shit and make it runnable locally. Its literally the only way to make this reasonable request or just ask them to use such a capable AI to translate things literally.
>>736597292Thus admitting a phonemes were the superior writing system all along
>>736597180just learn all the languages of the world and you'll never have to guess where a katakana loanword comes from (unless it's a made-up loanword, or a dual-language combined loanword like メルヘンチック, then you're just fucked)
>>736596734If you were at least N4, you would understand that extracting a sentence from ANY media and looking it up takes less than 2 seconds, and that reading はしをわたる and thinking about whether はし is 橋/箸/端 takes more time than your eyes simply seeing 橋を渡る.
>>736547112Learning a foreign language that's isolated serves no purpose because you're not learning all cultural norms, slang, sayings or anything.Unlike other languages where you'll learn these variations from learning the language, such as in English how you'd probably learn how the Americans have slightly different spellings. In Japanese you're not going to learn how the Japanese up north spell differently from the southerners or anything which limits your understanding of cultural changes and dialects.Translating your game into a foreign language is a skill. Every studio should have an in house team for English translations and the original writers should be embedded with them to make sure it gets across properly. English is Lingua Franca, refusing to translate into it is limiting your product for no purpose.If another language overtakes English somehow, you'd have to translate with an in house team into that language.
>>736597346or something retarded slang with a ge and something something at the start that's not even standard Japanese reading of a kanji that makes no sense to anyone. These people enjoy tormenting foreigenrs.
>>736597338that's why you go to fucking japanese school to learn the language so you can read everything in kanji once you graduate. You shouldn't need kanji for 95% of the things you read once you're outta school
>>736597391*you shouldn't need FURIGANA for 95% of my bad
>>736595371>spanish>comparatively easyfat chance>no one can get datives right>no one can get pronominal verbs right>no one can get impersonal verbs right>no one can get absolute clauses right>no one can get prepositions or conjunctions right>forget about the subjunctive>>736595479>katakanalike god dictates>>736595663>If you don't know the word 説明, for example, then you'd have to use a third-party appyou need to look it up anyway, so what does it matter whether you can pronounce it?>b-but muh handwriting inputoh, the horror of having to write something. the humanity!>>736596734japs learn the bushu precisely to be able to use dead tree dictionaries
why are you guys feeding this trolla retard who says that kanji is pointless is below N6 and should be ignored
>>736597380>Japanese>English>Spanish>Chinese>ArabicTo maximize your audience; facts.
>>736597520I enjoy being angry and yelling at the screen
never been a sane nigga that decided to learn japanese every single one is mentally ill in some way
>>736597530Japanese only if it's a Japanese game.In order it's English, Chinese, Spanish and Arabic. Just 4 translations and almost everybody alive can understand your game. English and Chinese alone is a fuck ton of audience.
>>736597292You're basically proving my point. Media becomes inaccessible due to the complexities of the writing system. If it were written in kana, it would be easier to read.>>736597358Radical searching kanji takes a lot longer than two seconds. Not sure, what you're talking about, and はしをわたる can only ever be crossing a bridge. You can't cross chopsticks and I don't think crossing an "edge" is ever said. Even if there was the theoretically ambiguous sentence, the pros far outweigh the cons.
>>736597605Everyone here is mad, otherwise you wouldn't have come
>>736597484>you need to look it up anyway, so what does it matter whether you can pronounce it?As said before, it makes looking it up not require using technology or a very tedious radical search system. Obviously, technology is making this less of an issue, but it still proves that a kana-only sentence is easier to read than a sentence with kanji.>japs learn the bushu precisely to be able to use dead tree dictionariesAnd they're wasting their time all the more for it.
>>736597615Yes but having Spanish and Arabic is basically "well, the rest of the world." And they are more stubborn about not learning other languages for some reason. Unless they are weebs like the Saudi guy who bought out EA and the Saudi Prince.
>>736597380dude i am not planning on living there, i just want to understand what the girl being raped in my ero game says
>>736597631>I don't think crossing an "edge" is ever saidfunny you use this exact example, there is in fact an old Japanese tale of a monk who saw a sign that read>このはしわたるべからず>do not cross this [bridge]where he read "hashi" to mean "edge" and so he crossed the bridge going through the exact center so that he would not walk over the edge of the bridge
>>736597175Nah, he's just N6 and complaining about the easiest part.
>>736597631There are too many sound-alike Kanji that require a definitive way to read it due to limited vocalizations of Japanese language.
>>736597774uh huh sure dude
>>736547112DEKINAI djt thread
>kanji le unnecessary for reading>katakana le too easyholy larp larp larp sahur, the duolingo squad is here
>>736597758>"AIEE, YAMEROO!!!>"U-huhnnngg nyooo!!!"Your level of Japanese.
>>736597767That's a rather deliberate play on words to demonstrate the kid's craftiness and doesn't factor into regular language.
>>736597792Most are cleared up through context, though, as mentioned earlier, it would require an orthographic reform for it to be a viable form of the written language. It's still easier to read, though.
It's funny because there are lots of potential benefits to a kanji-like system, Japanese just doesn't make use of a single one due to retardation at every step>if each word had its own kanji>if each kanji only had one reading>if there were no similar looking kanji with similar readings but different meanings>etcWhenever you think "hey here's a possible benefit of the system" it turns out there's so many exceptions that it's completely negated, the system solves no issues at all
>>736597816>katakana: 48>kanji: 6,000+ (50,000+ recorded)Weak bait
>>736597792That's not a real problem. It works just fine in spoken Japanese without Kanji so it could work just as well in Japanese writing without Kanji.
>>736597892it DOES factor into regular language, I regularly hear japanese people who are talking to each other have to clarify homophones because context sometimes isn't good enough to understand meaning, and I hear this at least once a week. If you can't understand how fucking annoying homophones can become in Japanese, then you frankly do not have enough experience in the language. Making written language have the same problem is just fucking idiotic. NO you cannot just "rely on context" for everything, ESPECIALLY if you have a fucking job and need to be specific and don't want anyone to misinterpret your words.
>ITT dekinais crying about kanji and being illiterate
>>736598057I'm sorry, but your experience is anecdotal, and I seriously doubt you're constantly witnessing Japanese people act confused about their own language just because homophones exist.Feel free to find my a sentence from a game you've played in Japanese that's kana-only that is difficult to disambiguate, otherwise your "dude, trust me, Japanese people get confused all the time" larp is worthless.
>>736597980They should've limited words to four kanji maximum so its readable at a glance and it could be used smartly and still sound like an intelligent language. With 2k you could have trillion possible combinations.
>>736598069>t. n5
>>736598041It won't, that's exactly why they keep kanji around. Just like Koreans who keep the Hanja around in dictionaries so they know what's what when they use their damn language LOL.
>>736598217cope + projection
>>736580304>To me the worst part by far is having names you have no idea how to read until someone tells you how, which to me defeats the whole point of being able to write namesEven for common words while they are usually read in a predictable way compounds still often represent a word completely unrelated to how the kanji are read in any other context so it's impossible to read a novel (to you at least) words even if you know all the kanji.
>>736598181nta but the homophone thing does legitimately happen in real conversationsits not a huge deal and usually gets figured out quickly but it still does happen>>736598226they keep kanji around because it works just fineit could probably work fine without them as well (with a few changes) but they are not going to do that simply to accommodate foreigners learning the languageits like how english has retarded things like "know" and irregular verb conjugations that learners and kids struggle with but it works fine so it doesnt get changed
>>736598057>>736598319>Mercury and comet sound the sameI can't imagine hiw annoying astrology converaations can get lmao
>>736598273>so it's impossible to read a novel (to you at least) words even if you know all the kanji.Sure but I feel like that's sort of to be expected with vocab words, with names there's literally no excuse since they have literally one purpose, letting you know the name of somethingIf you can come across a new town/village, see its name on the town sign and still have no idea what the place is called, the sign failed at its one and only purpose
>>736598319>its not a huge deal and usually gets figured out quickly but it still does happenIt does, but it's pretty rare. I doubt he's hearing it occur weekly, and it's a weak argument, regardless.
>>736598201>have to use AI to do basic math>it doesn't even get the correct answerfucking lmao
>>736598273it may be impossible to 100% accurately read a new to you word but you can make an educated guess, which is what natives doif the word is rare enough the wrong but educated guess from the average native is often another semi-correct way of saying it because so many people make that mistake
>>736598243n5 + bad at the language
>>736598226>It won'tIt would though. I don't care about Kanji in the slightest, I just think it's silly to say the language wouldn't work without it when it already does work without it in spoken Japanese. It's just a point of preference that they're keeping it.
>>736598409I work in an office, I hear japanese people talk at least 8 hours a day if that dispels any disbelief you have.What are your qualifications? Watching dubbed anime?
>>736598410knew I could get an aspergers math nerd rage at an AI. What's the correct answer?
>>736598428It's not about difficulty of learning or reading, it's about efficiency, there's a reason every single country in the world uses western standardized latin script and arabic numerals for programming When you're problem-solving-oriented seeing huge inefficiencies like this is frustrating despite the supposed ease of learning
>>736598457see >>736598243
>>736598489Again, that's just anecdotal. You could be the PM of Japan for all I care.
>>736598489larpgaijin at best is a english teacher cuck or working at some factory until passing out
>>736598495Ugh, I didn't read the full prompt, forgive me AI lords, I genuflect, please spare me in the upcoming roborevolution
The only stuff left untranslated is kusoge, or very old niche VNs that would be too annoying to translate.
>>736547112>He doesn't know of monobeno
>>736598532refer to >>736598217
>>736597875they actually say iku isntead of yamero, that's anime fag shit and i am not interested in that. if you had learned japanese you would have known that
>>736598585Yes, true, correct, however my poor social standing does not change the fact that the japs regularly deal with misunderstanding homophones
>>736598428Nihongo Jouzu?
>>736598551i also work around japanese people and i think its fair to say it happens pretty often but it almost never leads to more than a few seconds of confusion and maybe a laugh
>>736598630That's only after you've done the raping part and they are enjoying it you stupid fuck.
>>736598641are you by any chance black?
>>736598319Speaking of english. It also retarded to read and write because it has a shitload of loanwords but the people who codified it had a boner for preserving original (or pseudo-original) spelling so none of the letters make consistent sounds.
>>736598702no, that's the hand of wife's boyfriend. I needed him to hold it so I could take the picture
>>736598680I doubt it.
>>736598630it depends on the manga, sometimes they say yamero, sometimes they say iku, sometimes they say both>>736598767I'm going to rape you
>>736598641even a nigger can learn moonrunes, >>736598585>>736597484>>736597192>>736595358>>736594819what's your excuse ?
>>736598729yes thats my entire pointnatural languages dont cater to learners and dont strive to be perfectly efficientthey just naturally become "good enough" and stay that way>>736598767you are free to be wrong but here are two people with direct real life experience and you still think you know better lol
>>736598729The original readings are hundreds of years old and from a similar era when they made sense to the local speakers to speak that way thus that's why it just "works" in English since its a combination language of a whole lot of other languages and its not at all ashamed of its roots. Plus most people learn Latin, French or Spanish as well (even if poorly) and they are just like "oh its like that word in that language okay."
>>736598729Blame the assholes during the 1400's-1700's who deliberately changed all long vowel pronunciations to spite the French
>>736598737kek
>>736598801>you are free to be wrong but here are two people with direct real life experience and you still think you know better lolIt's probably just you larping as two different people. This is clearly the only move you have left since you can't cite an actual example of confusion.
>>736598831Only a French fag could be upset about this, cope. You were only previously relevant when it comes to recency in 19th century last time I checked.
>>736598986Do your reps
>>736598986well you will realise it eventually if you ever get there or never if you dontit really doesnt matter to me if you dont believe us
>>736599192I think you've lost the argument at this point.
>>736599192I believe you
>>736599220You are not even worth responding to anymore
>>736599220whatever will i do someone online doesnt believe my real experience
>>736599243I accept your concession.
>>736599227based
>have a perfectly fine, sane alphabet>BuT wAiTIt's literally the same situation as in Canada, they have English but also.. french
>>736599263It's not an argument, even if you're not larping.
>>736598801>>736598802Most european languages went through some sort of standardisation/spelling reform in more recent history to make them more consistent with how the language is spoken. English never did that. I think there were some attempts in murrica but they never caught on. I guess it's easier when the languages aren't widely spoken outside of the country and you have some sort of central language authority.In modern day english speakers would probably resent such radical intervention and it would become a massive culture war issue.
>>736599301you know they took this from kanji in the first place, right? And also Katakana came before Hiragana
>>736599308??from my point of view ive seen it happen many times in real life and you are saying you doubt ityou doubting it changes literally nothing for me except seeing someone reject knowledgei do understand why you are weary because people lie online but still from my perspective its kinda sad seeing someone so confident in their ignorance
>>736599325The goyim cattle just want an excuse to not learn Japanese. They target kanji as the easiest scapegoat, even though it's mostly just memorization, while random grammar patterns and onomatopoeia are actually harder.
>>736599405tbf kanji is the first actual hurdle you encounter as a foreign learner
>>736598641何の証拠にもならないその写真は
>>736599312Believe me its already an issue with the zoomer buzzwords and VAE from brown people trying to dictate human speech from the West.
>>736599312One of the real issues nowadays is that there's so many English accents and different pronunciations that if you did actually change spellings then you'd be fucking over certain accents while catering to others. American and British are the main two examples, we have tons of words where we pronounce things differently, so catering to one accent would just fuck over the other, not even bringing up the literal hundreds of other English dialects across the globe. It is actually just impossible to reform the spelling at a grand scale (because we have actually changed some spellings, Roosevelt got things like Mould -> mold, and foetus -> fetus changed, but only in America)
>>736599373If you can't provide any actual examples of these homophones creating ambiguous sentences in media, then I'm going to conclude that this isn't a very common thing.
>>736599447ネタにマジレスしてんじゃねえ>>736599459ok
>>736599487Yes, I know I'm right.
>>736599496maybe one day you will see for yourself through real experience or maybe you will die before that happens it does not affect me
The only homo's here are (you), yes you, every single person here reading this, you are all massive faggots, me, you, the lurkers, everyone.
>>736599557Or maybe this doesn't happen at all, hence why you can't cite a single example. Ever think of that?
>>736599557Based Man of Stoicism
>>736599608kinda gay bro, you got any more pics?
if you want to know why every japanese localizer is a mentally ill autistic faggot, just look at this thread
>>736599325I don't give a rat's ass, it's there and should replace everything else. You could learn japanese like korean, in 15 minutes!
>>736599447You are COURTING DEATH writing in non-english on nu-4chan
>>736599979holyI'm going to jerk off furiously to that. thanks
To all anons here:English is retarded.You should write letters and words how you read them.Sincerely,Italianon.
>>736600075damn ur still alive nigga hi
>>736600075aJ əˈɡriː, wiː ʃʊd ɔːl ʤʌst swJʧ tuː aJ-piː-eJ trænˈskrJpʃᵊn Jnˈstɛd
>>736600143I understood nothing. It's perfect.Can the mods make this the next april fools?
this thread and its retarded arguments feels like old /a/ djt
nothing ever changes just a new generation of weaboo retards
>>736600518It will very soon become /jp/ djt if we keep having them every single day
>>736547185>all the stockholm syndrome pro-kanji repliesLmao this is peak sunk cost copeIt's objectively a terrible writing system all around
>>736600675English would be improved if it had ideogramic kanji for roots and -fixes instead of phonetic representations using the alphabet that don't match to the actual spoken phonetics of the wordchange my mind (spoilers: you can't)
>>736582141Kek you really triggered the djt with this
>>736600780Or you could just do what south slavs do and have each letter have only one reading so there's never any ambiguity C is always "ts", never k or kay or see or si, literally the most perfect system in existence
>>736600842>C is always "ts"sounds fucking gay, and no I'm not using pinyin readings. Everybody pronounces Cao Cao like "Cow Cow" because of fucking Pinyin completely destroying English readings
>>736600143>/wiː/ for weESL detected
>>736600940I used an online converter, bite me
>>736600902It's literally just the English phonemic alphabet but it uses the alphabet characters instead of this monstrosity >>736600143The easiest, most rational and logical system in existence
>>736600940wtf, how do you pronounce "we" if not "wiː"?
>>736600518djt is dead thougheverbeit
>>736600940jʊr mɑm ɡeJ
>>736600675>>736600842Even if they removed all kanji, you still wouldn’t make it anyway, Your ego is too high, you would find something new to complain about instead of being filled with desire to learn.
>>736601039how do you account for accents. or vowel shifts, or dipthongization, or shortenings and deletion?That's right, ideograms beat phonetic representations any day of the week.
>>736601127You have a war and the winner gets to pick the language
>>736601201sounds fucking rad, you got yourself a deal
>>736547185You actually wouldn't because if you didn't have kanji telling you what was what, then good luck distinguishing between the 20 different meanings of "kiru", as well as all the grammer pieces muddling up the other words.
>>736601043/wi/weak forms, son/wi:/ sounds like the we in "WE are the ones who did all the work">>736601127narrow phonetic transcription. it's hell to learn with all the diacritics and shit
>>736601276Then how do they do it when speaking?
>>736601402cadence and intonation mostly
>>736601282wiiiiiiiiii
>>736601127There are so many regional accents that individual word accents are a non-issue, you're pronouncing it correctly somewhere and everyone will know what you're talking about, they might think you're gay though but this is what they think of everyone else's accents anyway, in fact all the big cities have regional accents that are objectively wrong according to their own official norms The rest of the shit might as well not exist
>>736547112Think of it as a "the grass is always greener on the other side" scenario applied to video games. The most pathetic arguments for defending the saturn or dreamcast are based purely on that. >This game (which I won't name so you can't see it) is a masterpiece, but... sadly, it never received a translation.
>>736601480>The rest of the shit might as well not existaill keel yeou, ye rayat bayastrd
>>736601537>t. grapeless fox
idioms are the real final boss of any language and japanese has a metric shitton of them. struggling with kanji is beginner stage
>>736601850English also has a fuck ton of idioms too ("fuck ton" is an idiom, if you didn't know)
>>736601891your point?
>>736582141t. brainlet
>>736601930it's a doggydog world out there
>>736601891English has easy everything else and tons of idioms, Japanese has hard everything else and tons of idioms
>>736601850I like idioms, last new one I came across was someone saying 'don't spend all day selling oil in my office' to mean 'don't spend all day goofing off in my office'.
>>736601975english has hard pronunciation and fucked up articles and phrasal verbs
>>736602040yes, 油を売るwell known that one
>>736547112You can play the translated ones in Japanese too.Are there any you shouldn't do this for?
>>736547112>"You should learn japanese so you can play all the untranslated games that are stuck over there"Wrong, you should learn Japanese so you can play English games in a superior language
>>736602312don't do this, if you think JP -> EN translation sucks then you are not ready for the hellscape of EN -> JP translations
>>736600075Sorry, I'm not into cuckolding.
>>736602072>articles>he gets filtered by referenceslol. lmao even>hard pronunciationjust 20 vowels and 24 consonants son. you have several well-documented reference accents even. no need to delve into dialects>>736602159I'd say the main benefit of playing a game in 2 languages is getting to compare shit and figure out equivalents. especially how they deal with stock phrases and expressions, like 昨日の世話の礼はまだだったよな (I never did "thank" you for the other day)
>>736602361whats this fromand do you have a pic of the jp version of this page
>>736602453Chiyo-chan no Tsuugakurou, I don't have the JP version, I just thought it was a funny page
>>736602582thanksdo you have any guess as to the chapter at leastif not ill find it myself
>>736601975Japanese grammar is not hard. There's some constructs that are a bit awkward at first but it's not that complex. English speakers just call everything that has conjugation hard and jap one isn't even that bad.
>>736602637soz, lol
>>736602663>ask japanese teacher about ~ものですから>she says lol why wud u use that just say ~ので or ~から gtfo noobt-thanks
>teacherGet with the times unc, nobody needs a tutor in this day and age
>>736599312Japanese has also had reforms and kanji simplification efforts
>so why are you learning japanese anon kunyour response?
i have been learning japanese for over a half year and I just finished the first volume of nagatoro in japanese, relatively easy. The casual speech threw me a bit off at first but i got over it. I have about 3000 matured cards in anki
>>736603090I like anime
>>736602791日常生活で話す機会はあまりないものだから、コーズに登録するよりほかないeat my shorts
>>736603217Talk to ChatGPT thenWhy pay a teacher
>>736603118>I have about 3000 matured cards in ankiBro howi had to turn down my limits in anki because i was literally getting hundreds of cards every day and exponentially more would get added to the already massive pileI dont even have a thousand mature cards, there are just too many leaving the rotation for that to have been possible
>>736603217>ものだからdude, just use -ので or -んだから like a normal person, what are you a fucking literature snob or something
>>736603360Not him but some people seem to have incredible memory, either that or we have dogshit memory, because I too get overwhelmed very easily, even with just 5 new cards a day.
>>736603360i have been doing anki everyday and i literally have to push myself at this point and i keep shooting it up until the end of the day lol. I have like 100 reviews per day.
>>736603360he's lying, if it wasn't obvious. Anyone who says shit like >yeah, studied on and off for 2 years, got my N1 already, was pretty easyis more than likely just lying or heavily embellishing
>>736603360Turn on FSRS if you haven't already, it's a smarter scheduling algorithm. It still floods you with cards but it's more manageable and is also scientifically proven to make you retain more of your cards which will also help you get less cards (and more maturity) in your dailies over time.
>>736603217だったらハロートークとかで普通に日本人の友達を探したらいいじゃん金ありきの人間付き合いはどうやっても結局は虚しいよ
>>736603090nangumi? nangumi??? lmao
>>736601584Sega fans...
>>736603423When I was suffering from Anki burnout last month, I manually rescheduled all my cards to a random date between 30-60 days. I'm not proud that I had to do this but it helped clear my insane backlog which actually helped me to do more each day.
Feels good being the best at Japanese here
>>736603561oh wise anon how can i learn to speak/write as well as you? i dont even know where to start with writing, my guide says i should be doing it daily alongside reading and listeningbut idk how to even make those first steps
>>736603498but i'm not
>>736603507>Turn on FSRS if you haven't already,Isn't that turned on by default?
>>736603718nope
>>736603681t. stuck at n5
>>736603684thousands of hours of varied input (written and spoken)hundreds of hours of conversations with natives (written and spoken)
>>736547112You should learn japanese for no other reason than to avoid trannylators.you know how kojima's can have girls acting girly? In any other game by any other company, this "girliness" would be considered unnatural and any non-visual aspect that could easily be changed would be changed under the creative direction of a localizer who wants to re-make a game "as if it was originally written in English".
>>736603718It breaks legacy decks so noFuck that though it should be the default
>>736603684you just gotta speak and write to japanese people, I'm sorry, there's no other way
>>736603735I know everything lol
>>736603090I'm not?
>>736603765>>736603816ok thanks but specifically how and where should i go to rack up the hours efficientlyalso i have performance anxiety, how do i get my foot in the door with making mistakes
>>736547112Yep. If a work is in any way good, the odds of it being picked up and translated by someone who already knows the language are close to 100%. If all you care about are Japanese fictional works, then you won't get much out of learning the language.
>>736603769great another dunning kruger ankinigger for the thread just what we needed
>>736547185If English used Greek alphabet instead of the shit they stole from Rome it would be ten times more efficient.
>>736603890>efficientlythere's no such thing as "efficiently"
>>736603913I have below average intelligence.
>>736603890i started on chatpad which is basically japanese omeglethen i found some to speak to on the phone as wellfor the first long time i would get very nervous speaking out loud so i would always drink alcohol
>>736571650>分かる人は分かるNo native would ever say this. Way to prove my pointKanji is not a shortcut around ambiguity
>>736603421He's bullshitting, cheating and/or has some weird deck that doubles up a lot of cards and even then.Unless he has an exceptional memory and a monomaniacal pursuit of japanese there's no way he adds 200 new cards every day.Anyway, I had to turn my decks down too. I can do more short term, but the backlog of cards to review piles up faster than I can really digest it. Maybe I should more aggressively suspend cards and leeches but I don't really want to skip relatively common and useful words just because they are unusually annoying to remember for some reason.
>>736604048i only do 20-10 new cards per day. 100 reviews is not 100 new cards
>>736604014And you still suck to this day, surprise surprise.
>>736604030
>>736604030Retard
>>736604162Massive self-own kek
>>736604014ok thanks lad
>>736604204>t. n7
>>736604254?
>>736604030This is literally a set phrase. Where do you think it came from? Siberia? You guys are such dunces
Kanji actually makes word easier to understand. Katakana on the other hand is much harder
>>736604342But harder to read and look up.
>>736576954Most chill people get filtered by the crazy early learning curve.
>>736604314You tried lol
>>736604324>You guys are such duncesits quite literally just one sperg who is trolling the fuck out of the threadyou guys need to stop feeding the troll, hide the posts and move ongo to djt and you will see this same shit
>>736604461Holy schizoromi
>party member betrays you in your time of need
>thread about to die>bitch about japanese being a clusterfuck citing n3 grammar>450 repliesas shrimple as that
>>736604530I kept it bustling for you. You're welcome, lil romi.
>>736603890>also i have performance anxiety, how do i get my foot in the door with making mistakesEfficiency aside, the best thing to do is find a gentle and kind native Japanese bilingual who is fluent in both English and Japanese. Probably someone who is half Asian but still grew up in a Japanese environment would be your best bet.This has two benefits: they'll never belittle or make fun of you for your efforts, and they will gently correct you on your mistakes.I do not think this is the best solution but it is the easiest solution.
>>736547112>Learn an entire language to own the libs
>>736604580Retarded. Japanese people suck at English.
>>7366033603000 matured cards isn't even a lot after half a year. I'm also half a year into it and I have around 6000. A decent chunk of that being stuff from another language that I'm learning.
I wonder if people that think Kanji should be done away with think English orthography should stay the complete mess it is.>Fix your language please, you spell words the way they were pronounced hundreds of years ago despite said pronunciations changing significantly>lol deal with it ESL
>>736604342unironically yeah. since katakana is largely used for loanwords i find myself sounding things out like a retard trying to figure out wtf it says.
>>736604623Even better, you can teach them English while they teach you Japanese>>736604595This is literally how Latin worked 2000 years ago by the way
>>736604641English isn't perfect, but kanji are a nightmare.
>>736604712That's impossible. You can't teach someone a language without speaking theirs. You'll just end up babbling to one another as you're unable to decide on which language to stay in.
>>736604785>how do babies learn languages?
>>736604706Meanwhile with kanji you aren't sounding out anything because if you can't read it then you're sol
>>736604623You'll note that I said that easiest solution, not best.
>>736604638>400 new cards per dayYeah, right, I totally believe you.
>>736604815Not by babbling to some retard from Japan, that's for sure.
>>736604852bro you can learn japanese in a weekend if you work hard enough
>>736604848It was a bad suggestion all around
>>736604852how many days do you think there is in a year
>>73660493515
>>736604881How?
>>736605008I'm not telling you
Crab bucket thread
>>736605053Winner thread for me
>>736605053We're not gonna make it, but I will enjoy the ride nonetheless
>>736605053if you end up stuck in the bucket you were never meant to leave, it's literally that shrimple
>>736603498>>736603691I just passed 4 months the other day
I've already learned Japanese so this thread is just for me to laugh
>>736605258Oh yeah half of those are kanji production cards that's why there's so many of them
>>736605275It's impossible to learn Japanese. Even Jap streamers struggle to read kanji in mainstream games sometimes. The language is just unlearnable
>>736605415>Even Jap streamers struggle to read kanji in mainstream games sometimes.Wait Really?
>>736605415>>736605465Vtubers are retarded. Don't listen to him.
>>736604580>find a gentle and kind native Japanese bilingual who is fluent in both EnglishThe ideal would be to find someone who doesn't speak English at all with whom you can use your Japanese. Of course that's hard to find outside of Japan, but Japanese with low to mid level English are easier. Someone totally fluent in English would probabmy be harder to find because they have less to gain from making a language exchange partner, but that's fine because you don't want everything explained to you in English anyways.Also Japanese people aren't going to belittle you for your japanese lol
ゆうきゅうきゅうか
>>736605491I don't watch vtubers, but I do watch these guys sometimeshttps://www.youtube.com/@WasyaganaTV/videosThey struggle to read kanji all the time. And one of them is a seiyu and the other is a game journo so they should know how to read
>>736605620Well, that's just sad.
>>736605620can i get some youtuybe recomendations plsi need to start listeniung immersion
>>736605415>Jap streamers struggle to read kanjiThis is pure cope. Japanese people young and old absolutely know kanji. Anything Japanese say about Japanese people struggling with Kanji is either completely different from how foreigners struggle to learn kanji, or it's purely to console you and make you feel better. That's kind of a go-to thing Japanese people say to foreigners just to be nice.>Don't worry! Even lots of Japanese people are bad at using chopsticks!Point is: if you want to learn Japanese do not listen to ANYONE who tells you kanji isn't a big deal, or that it's not worth it, or that even Japanese people don't know it. You don't have to be a kanji wizard, but you've gotta study it if you want to get anywhere.
>>736605514>Also Japanese people aren't going to belittle you for your japanese lolDon't they dislike foreigners? I will like they would make fun of you.
>>736605415>Even Jap streamers struggle to read kanji in mainstream games sometimesSometimes a native not knowing a rare kanji or a word with a Chinese reading does not mean they struggle to read kanji. Stop the cope bro
>>736605676Here's a bunch of people I'm subbed to. Quality varieshttps://www.youtube.com/@shu3sanhttps://www.youtube.com/@4STUDIO/videoshttps://www.youtube.com/@ゆっくり今昔旅行https://www.youtube.com/@oyasan1224/videoshttps://www.youtube.com/@fieldsfood/videoshttps://www.youtube.com/@ゆっくりトラベル/videoshttps://www.youtube.com/@戦5のアラフォーレトロゲームゆっくり/videoshttps://www.youtube.com/@zundahouse/videoshttps://www.youtube.com/@JapanTrafficLab/videoshttps://www.youtube.com/@TOYKAN/videos
>>736605812>Don't they dislike foreigners?Some do, many don't. I've been there four times and never had anyone make fun of my Japanese. I've had a few times where people were rude to me for being a foreigner (only a few) but they never mocked me for using Japanese. Most Japanese people are pretty nice, and most people in general aren't going to start shitting on you for having a foreign accent.
>>736606105They will talk behind your back thoughb8
>>736605923They literally can't read it what do you mean it doesn't mean they can't read it. Yeah sure they can read 99% of kanji that's actively used. But not 100%, and they can probably only write like 80%
>>736606153if you regularly have sex, people talking behind your back stops mattering to you
>>736606171>Yeah sure they can read 99% of kanji that's actively used. But not 100%Anon, if you are otherwise fluent in English but you don't know a new word you find in your daily life and you have to look it up, does that mean you "struggle" to read English?
>>736606014thank you!! <3
Wait, are you telling me Spanish is more difficult than Japanese????
>>736605812Japs are very polite and nonconfrontational by default. They'll find your attempts at speaking japanse amusing at worst and never say anything bad about it.Also if you are there as a tourist you are going to interacting mostly with service/hospitality staff and they are held to even higher standard over there. It's highly unlikely you will have a negative interaction with japs unless you are really unfortunate.
>>736605812no? im always extremely flattered by someone who is obviously struggling but chooses to speak english anywaythere are rarely moments where their accent or grammatical mistakes lead to misunderstandings eitherits no different there
>>736606439ユー、アー、ウェルカム
>>736605812They dislike annoying foreigners like loud American and Chinese tourists. But is that really any different from anywhere else?
>>736603369お前が言っているだけに、聞く耳も持たないI still don't know how to use half the shit I learned. the books are confusing
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>>736607965no I meant I'm using grammar points at random to justify the sunk cost studying shit for the jlpt
>>736606623tacospeak isn't super hard, but over half the difficult shit is not explained. they have the magical diccionario panhispanico de dudas to answer faqs, but it's in taco as you'd expectexpect advanced topics to never be addressed properly (pronominals, se and its 6 or so uses (passive voice, impersonal sentences, reflexive verbs, quasi-reflexive verbs, reciprocal verbs, other changes in meaning), impersonal verbs, tonic/atonic pronouns, pro-drop, etc.
>>736608116and i meant "look at the notes below the example sentences on tone and appropriate use cases, so you don't have to use grammar points at random anymore" (this requires access to decent studying materials)
