This only happens with vidya fags. Imagine filmfags going "woah that old silent film is unwatchable! I've upscaled it to 4K via AI, dubbed it, and added frame interpolation up to 120fps, now it's the definitive way to watch it!". Or bookfags going "woah Don Quixote is too old and unreadable, lets add zoomerspeak to it" -- this happened once with Romeo & Juliet, and bookfags completely mocked and humiliated that version, but vidyafags just celebrate the desecration of classics while posing as connoisseurs.
>>736548868not all gamers are nintendroons
>>736548868I watched the colorized version of it’s a wonderful life last year with the family and it felt like watching a new movie
>if you didn't read the old handwritten version, you didn't read the book>if you used a big font version, you didn't read the book>if you used kindle, you didn't read the bookThe text is what's important in literature, not presentation. Similarly, the gameplay is what's important in vidya
>>736549075>Similarly, the gameplay is what's important in vidyaGo play OoT in wireframe mode and none of its secondary elements, see how much you enjoy it.
Imagine thinking that suffering through playing the game in silky smooth 20fps and razor sharp 320x240 just because it was released that way purely due to technical limitations should be celebrated when there are better options. No dude, you're just an obnoxious faggot.
>>736549160I won't do that, just like I won't read Cervantes on a computer screen or a dilapidated library copy. I'll read him in a nice hardcover with Gustave Dore's illustrations.OoT is not worth playing, but I'll gladly play the System Shock remake.
>>736549276>suffering through playing the game in silky smooth 20fpsPeople didn't suffer back then. Also funny how a game with 20fps is perfectly playable on CRTs due to superior motion quality.
>>736548868>Imagine filmfags going "woah that old silent film is unwatchable! I've upscaled it to 4K via AI, dubbed it, and added frame interpolation up to 120fps, now it's the definitive way to watch it!"there are times where the updated/restored versions are better to watch than the "originals". because the "originals" are often not the actual originals. like, you have a copy of a film from the 50s that was then later turned into a VHS for home release that was then later digitized by internet archivists OR you can have a "restored" version that did some upscaling work from the original copy. the restored version will be more enjoyable to watch than the copy that has been copied/transferred time after time. this is a difficult discussion about preservation. do you keep the original work, do you keep the original means of displaying the work? are you watching a movie in it's "definitive" fashion if you are watching it at home on a plasma screen instead of on a projector in the theater? also, the B&W version of the mist absolutely IS the definitive version of it, yet it came out after the fact and was restored and altered. the phantom cut of the phantom menace IS way better than the original cut.>Or bookfags going "woah Don Quixote is too old and unreadable, lets add zoomerspeak to it"new translations of the iliad and the odyssey are constantly coming out, updated versions of beowulf too. also, audiobooks existing is another way that old books have been "updated" for the modern era and many people take those as the definitive ways to experience things.
>>736548868the craziest thing about this is left still looks better
>>736548868>Imagine filmfags going "woah that old silent film is unwatchable! I've upscaled it to 4K via AI, dubbed it, and added frame interpolation up to 120fps,You mean a Director's Cut? Yeah they've existed for quite awhile now lmao
>Movies don't get remakes all the time>Movies didn't get remakes even back then in the 40s and 50s>Movies don't get rereleases with changed colors>Star Wars didn't get retouched by Lucas adding extra bullshit and changing scenes almost entirely>Books don't get rewrites>Books don't get new adaptations>People don't write their take on classicsFucking retarded nigger delete this thread and then kill yourself
>>736549394>there are times where the updated/restored versions are better to watch than the "originals". because the "originals" are often not the actual originals. like, you have a copy of a film from the 50s that was then later turned into a VHS for home releaseWe're not talking about the DS remake.
>>736549365They did, but they didn't have other options. Now they do. Being able to play the game at all is obviously preferable to not playing it at all. Being ignorant is not an argument.
>>736549276OP is baiting or he's a psychopath, either way not worth engaging with.
>>7365493202/10 would fool someone
>>736548868Don't spam force memes.Talentless critic scum have no place here.
>>736548868gamers generally just want pretty graphics, they don't understand anything else about vidya.
>>736549474>Movies don't get remakes all the timeAnd filmfags usually prefer the originals>Movies don't get rereleases with changed colorsAnd filmfags often complain about them>Star Wars didn't get retouched by Lucas adding extra bullshit and changing scenes almost entirelyAnd SWfags have endlessly bitched about this>Books don't get rewrites>Books don't get new adaptationsAnd bookfags complain>People don't write their take on classicsWhich is a different thing than what we're discussing
the blob exists though>what if we took an old 50s b movie and redid it with more polished modern production values and scriptwriting.it's basically a videogame remake.
>>736549609>NOOOO PEOPLE CAN'T HAVE MORE OPTIONS TO FINE TUNE THEIR EXPERIENCE BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT THAN MINEtake a breathtouch grass
>>736548868There's a little detail you're forgetting.Games are less replicable than books or movies.Not everyone has the luck to get a Nintendo 64 in current year and a CRT to play OOT "as intended". This doesn't apply to books, because if there are rewriting and copies the base text is fundamentally the same. And because technology changes in a deep way, you can't get the true original version even if you wanted to.All the versions you can get online are fundamentally emulations, designed to run on modern technology, not because it's meant to mock the original intent, but simply because there's no way to get the same experience of the original game unless you own a copy of the original game, the original system and a proper display when the game was released. With books this is not really part of the equation.
>Thread proves OP right
>>736548868I watched an AI upscaled version of Lawrence of Arabia. It removes the film grain and made it look like it was shot with a modern camera.Shit was cash money bruv
>>736549609you're unable to understand greentext
>>736549475didn't say we are. but playing OOT on an n64 emulator with a 4K screen and xbox gamepad is absolutely not the same as playing it on an actual n64 and CRT. it will look and feel different because it has been transferred over to a new method of experiencing it. are you getting upset if players use the "wrong" controller to play OOT as well as getting upset if they want someone's interpretation of "updated graphics"?
>>736549705every single medium gets their pieces remadeartists are never happy because humans are never happy.I don't know why people are obsessed with video games being some special exception.If anything, books probably have it the worst, especially if they're translations.
>>736548868Wow it's almost like video games are... A different media entirely.
Texture packs alter the content, that's undeniable. If you want to experience the original game, you won't use them.Input lag, resolution, frame rate, these are all just different ways of viewing the same content. There are issues they can cause, such as high resolutions allowing you to see gaps between polygons, or textures being too low-res compared to the rest, so you'll want to use them sparingly to avoid compromising the final presentation.OOT remains a bad game no matter what you do, though. It lacks depth, has poor enemy design, poor boss design, and poor puzzle design, it's a poor game.
>>736549827There are compromises always. Watching a blu-ray is not the same as watching the 35mm film on a cinema screen obviously. But the thing on OP's screencap is a completely different experience. It's not the same as simply emulating a game.
Notice how the guy fawning over all those features on twitter only provided screenshots from Kakariko Village.Every time with those cunts. It's all performative.
>>736548868I'm waiting for good games to get decomped desu
Movie fruits need to transition already. Literally tools of the jews
>erm OP is actually right for treating OoT as some well-intended masterpiece of artyeah, miyamoto and aonuma very well intended bottle adventures and wrongwarping and SRM in their vision and if you disagree youre literally a nazi luddite
Listen, the central thesis of the thread is this: you can experience different versions of a thing out of curiosity, you can enjoy them, but you can't just claim that your fan made mod is the DEFINITIVE way to experience a game. It's hubris and you're taking a big fag dump on the developers' heads that made the game you supposedly claim to love.
>>736549827Most people played OOT and N64 on the family tube tv. Meanwhile you have "retro enthusiasts" insisting you need to play it on a professional trinitron for the "real experience".There's just so much retarded dissonance
>>736549474just watch the movie 6 timesthere you go
>>736550025https://ryandwyer.gitlab.io/pdstatus/
>>736550108>but you can't just claim that your fan made mod is the DEFINITIVE way to experience a game
>>736549276You and the majority of emulationfags dont get it.Videogames are always a product of their time.Ocarina of Time has aged horribly BUTit was peak and an absolute masterpiece on release.In 1996 this was the pinnapple under the sea in therms of graphics, gameplay, music, worldbuilding, questdesign and animations.Imagine playing this for the first time in 2026:Graphics look bad, controls are clunky, world looks empty and very limited, animations look stiff etc.
>>736548868where do I get this PC port?
>>736548868>woah that old silent film is unwatchable! I've upscaled it to 4K via AIThey're literally doing this. They may not be adding voices to Birth of a Nation or Buster Keaton films, but they are still using AI Upscaling on them and making them look like garbage.Lucas constantly rereleased his old films with meaningless, bad CGI editsDisney is constantly remaking their old cartoons with new, modern sensibilities and markets those over the cartoons.They constantly reinterpret classics, you mention Romeo and Juliet, did you forget about the weird version that took place in LA and had guns and shit?Video games are a weird and unique exception because technology has made them better. Silent films were made to be silent. OOT was not made to run at 12 FPS, it just does because the N64 is a piece of shit.But to be clear, I do not agree with replacing a bunch of models or AI upscaling or that shit. I just think that if you asked the original devs "Hey, do you want your game to run at 12 FPS or 60 FPS" they'd probably prefer the latter.
No one ever actually treats games like they're art. Not the consumers, not the publishers, not the developers.
>>736548868There are plenty of purists who take the art form seriously. You're basically talking about AI tech bros. "Dude we made this old black & white 4:3 movie into color widescreen using OpenAI's Sora!" is the exact same mentality as "Woah the only way to play this classic game is modding it with HD textures+higher frame rate+Lillith's AI mod+The nexus sex dungeon mod!". Only difference is more people into tech are playing games, so naturally more gamers are this retarded about tech.
>>736550217A truly great game should hold up just as well now as it did 30 years ago. IHNMAIMS, X-COM, Heroes III, they all hold up.
>>736548868i played this game probably 10 years ago on project 64 with keyboard and stopped playing on jabu jabu belly,recently i played it with all the gigamod maxxing, with textures, right stick camera and 60fps what not, and still dropped the game on jabu jabu belly, lol
>>736549474Are you sure this is real and not just a cherry picked scene? I had the 4K rip of the original Matrix from QxR and it still had the green tint. Looks exactly how I remember it. Couldn't download the regrade because it barely had any seeders.
>>736550217OOT's only issues are performance related. Everything else is fine. I prefer the N64 graphics over the 3DS remake. If the game runs at 60 FPS I'd prefer everything to look like the N64.
>>736548868>Imagine filmfags going "woah that old silent film is unwatchable! I've upscaled it to 4K via AI, dubbed it, and added frame interpolation up to 120fps, now it's the definitive way to watch it!You stupid fucking retard, they're already doing this
>>736548868Ebert was never right about anything in his life except by coincidence. Guy's job was to tell you how he feels about movies, there's no training or education required for that, just "I enjoy it/did not enjoy, here's why".
>>736548868>This only happens with vidya fags.Not only is this not true, filmniggers pay for it because it comes from multi million dollar corporations instead of some random guy you cherrypicked from twitter.Now kill yourself.
>>736550391>You stupid fucking retard, they're already doing thisSome people do this but filmfags rightfully shit on these "efforts", while vidya fags celebrate them, that's the fucking point you dumbass, you guys lack literacy, and I don't mean DA MEEEDIA LITERACY, I mean actual literacy, I just said in the OP that fans of those other mediums disapprove of such things, IT'S IMPLIED you fucking dumbasses. Stop repeating the same reply like bots and indians. Extremely brown board.
>some guy (volunteer fan) modified an old game so that he can freely share it with fellow fansWay to go, man.>some guy (subcontractor) modified an old game so that the IP owner can sell it again at full priceEat shit.
>>736550170holy based
>>736550492And again, another dumbass who lacks literacy. People openly mock James Cameron's latest blu ray rereleases of his latest movies because they're AI slop, if it were vidya, everyone here would be applauding them.
>>736548868I saw this and thought about talking shit in the replies but then I realized that it'd be like beating up a toddler. I'm just going to let the nigger goyim enjoy their slop if it makes their 70iq brains happy, it doesn't affect me
>>736550505I don't. I'll gladly read Shakespeare and Milton with modernised spelling.
>>736550217>In 1996 this was the pinnapple under the sea in therms of graphics, gameplay, music, worldbuilding, questdesign and animations.Lol, no.Ocarina of Time (1998) was only the pinnacle for people with no gaming experience (i.e., autistic kids who only played Nintendo because their parents didn't want them to have access to adult content).Do you really think OOT's worldbuilding can be compared to Ultima 7 (1992)? That game is still used today as a prime example of worldbuilding, and it makes Zelda feel more like Super Mario with talking NPCs than an actual RPG. The villages in Mario Odyssey, with NPCs guiding you to rewards, are closer to the world of OOT than Ultima 7 from 1992.Graphically speaking, by 1998 the N64 was already obsolete. You had games like Unreal, Quake 2, and Half-Life running on dedicated GPUs that literally blew the N64 out of the water. The fucking Dreamcast was released in late 1998. Ocarina of Time was never the pinnacle of computer game graphics.The music in Ocarina of Time was synthesized, and there's really nothing particularly remarkable about it. It's important to remember that games had already been using CD-ROMs for a decade by then. The PC Engine was offering digital audio for its games as early as the 1980s. When OOT was released, there were games with CD-quality music (some orchestrated) that remain iconic to this day, such as Warcraft 2, Castlevania: Symphony of the Night).
People do AI upscaling for old movies, shows, etc. They're all over youtube and it's usually done for things that will probably never get remastered or re-released. I appreciate those people.
>joystick cameraunironically the only time I'll capitulate that garbage control schemes are just better than dual-stick because SM64 still plays like AIDS with analog camera, and Metroid Prime doesn't feel right on anything that isn't a Gamecube controller
>>736549946what about the case of B&W version of the mist? it was altered after the fact of release and truly is the best way to experience it. just because oot was released in 1998, does not mean the best version of it necessarily released in 1998. sure, some art restorations end up like that jesus fresco (pic rel), but that does not mean ALL restorations inherently "ruin" a piece. furthermore, who is to say when a work of art is finished? is the mona lisa "ruined" because there is a slightly different painting underneath the one that everyone knows? >>736550127>Most people played OOT and N64 on the family tube tv. lots of people experienced OOT via gamecube release or 3DS remake. many even experienced it via wii through the eshop. loads of newer people experienced it via emulator. who is to say who playedd the correct or definitive version? they are all vastly different, yet still the "same" game.>>736550505>while vidya fags celebrate them,but vidyafags always screech about remakes/remasters ruining things. there is nothing special about gamers being more accepting of change. people, regardless of the medium the are consuming, always just want the best experience. people have varied opinions as to what the best experience is.
I hate remakes that just slap on a new coat of paint and call it a day. Just make it different so the two can stand on their own.Star Fox 64 3D was particularly bad at this, and what made it worse was that they had to redo the code so the controls felt off.
>>736548868Wouldn't this be like a Criterion release where the movie gets a 4k restoration, commentary tracks, cast interviews etc.
>>736550556The live action/cg disney remakes have all been successful. And those are spitting in the face of the entire medium of the originals, not just changing the framerate or resolution.
>>736550465Ebert majored in journalism, which taught him how to write, and took graduate courses in English but then he got the film critic gig and decided he didn't need to obtain the degree.
>>736550974Even Snow Brown?
>>736550505Problem is no one can tell exactly what you're criticizing in the OP. Just the shitty texture pack? Ok sure. Higher FPS and resolution support, improved (objectively) controls etc? Yeah if you're bitching about that you're a fucking loser and should unironically kill yourself right now.
>>736550923A restoration and optional extras doesn't change the film.
>the definitive way to play is to make it not look like or play like the actual gamewhat created this insane mindset?
>>736548868Star Wars made a new special edition every time George Lucas got an erection. And he sold Star Wars to literally the only people that could afford it because of that.Your argument is shit.
>>736548868Yeah because films are never remastered, upscaled, enhanced, new editions, or out right remakes. Certainly George lucas never shoved a bunch of retarded bullshit into his movies because he wasn't able to do it at the time, no sir that could never happen with films.Kill yourself OP, go join that fat faggot Ebert.
>>736551084>improved (objectively) controlsTrans coded post
>>736550723metroid prime is pretty good on keyboard and mouse
>>736551129Says the histrionic faggot running on tranny levels of delusion.
>>736548868Nah, kys. I have played OOT on a fuckton of different things and love Ship
>>736551110Zoomers. Zoomers believe vidya should be at service of tech, instead of tech being at the service of vidya.
>>736548868>disingenuous false analogiesslice your neck op
>>736551084lurk moar newfag
>>736551221Incoherent.
>>736549365TVs back then handled lower framerates better, now even 30 fps feels choppy as shit in higher refresh rate monitors.
>>736548868>talks shit about vidya>jaw falls off
>>736548868There are plenty of people who have a sunk cost fallacy where every game NEEDS to be 144 FPS with RTX because they spent money on hardware for that. They're way in the minority, though. Graphics don't matter much if the game isn't fun or well-written.
>>736548868Some of these are objectively bad. The only way you could deny it is if you are a consolefag. No retard thinks OoT is 20 FPS because it's an artistic choice. A movie a being silent or black and white could be an artistic choice.
>>736551558>A movie a being silent or black and white could be an artistic choice.In the 1910s?
>>736548868>This only happens with vidya fags.George Lucas literally did this with one of the largest trilogies of all time, thoughbeit
>>736548868>. Imagine filmfags going "woah that old silent film is unwatchable! I've upscaled it to 4K via AI, dubbed it, and added frame interpolation up to 120fps, now it's the definitive way to watch it!"Instead we get repulsive, soulless remakes that feel like staring down a firehose spraying raw sewage.
>>736550194the silence about this post is deafening
>>736551575Yes. Screenings could have live narration or music. And film could be colored or tinted.
>>736550687>Lol no>OoT literally the highest rated game in existance since 1996
>>736548868>decompNo thanks, I'll wait for recomp.
>>736550194The English text would get garbled at some points (I think it was the worst in the hotel at the start) so I had to switch to another language to finish those segments. No idea what the fuck caused this. But this is really the one thing I can complain about when it comes to this version.
>>736550170Conker decomp when? Castlevania 64 decomp when?
>>736548868>This only happens with vidya fags.Nah, it just shows me how little you know of anything. See: >Crime and Punishment: A New Translation>The last 20 years of movie reboots and re-reboots which, many of which were already rehashings of older stories.
>>736551575>>736552001film screenings back then often had a pianist to accompany the film so that moviegoers weren't sitting in complete silence.
>>736552038>OoT literally the highest rated game in existance since 1996Mentally ill pedo tendies pulling 48hr shifts for the Nintendo Defence Force since 1996
>>736548868This is cleary not the best way to play OOT.
>>736549320>I'll gladly play the System Shock remake.Vomit, kill yourself.
>>736548868>he didn't read Hamlet in early modern english in the original folioYou didn't read the book.
>>736552379you (and everyone else in this thread making the same point) is retarded. OP is making the claim that players love to have the past altered and changed, nothing about how often reboots, remasters, new translations, art restorations, etc. happen in other media. he's saying people love the originals when it comes to film, literature, music, theatre, etc. but when it comes to vidya, people just want to always update it (while completely ignoring all the people who are constantly complaining about demasters).
>>736548868Left is the N64 portRight is IF nintendo had ditched the exclusive faggotry and had 3dfx or S3 reach them to release the game on PC to demonstrate the Game Cube's early hardware with S3TC Texture compression
>>736552476You never played the original either and the damn thing is easily accessible at /vr/
>>736548868I get the argument that some old games are held back by their hardware or control scheme but honestly the original graphics and gameplay is an integral part of the game and tech limitations and how developers worked with them are what gives these games their charm and identity. I think minor touch ups are fine but you should stick to as closest to the original as possible, in the case of OoT I think 480p/30 is as far as I would go, if you want to play something more "modern" then just play the 3DS remake.
>>736552540The same "people" that like vidya remakes like movie remakes
>>736552606>You never played the original eitherI have>B-BUT YOU PLAYED WITH THE MOUSELOOK THAT RUINS THE GAMENo, I still played keyboard only. I did in fact play and beat System Shock.
>>736548868I don't like mods.
>>736552759>played in 2019>havent played eitherlemme guess you are also 25 years old and posts at sharty too?
>>736552540You're the retard here anon. OP didn't mention alteration of the gameplay at all. When gameplay is the most fundamental element of a vidya (I have to explain this to you because you are retarded). If anything me (and everyone else in this thread making the same point) is giving him too much credit, because with movies and books the original language/wording/performances and actors are infinitely more integral to those mediums than updating graphics is to a videogame.
>>736552038A product of the gaming media being colonized by Nintendo obsessives so hard in its early days is that people actually think the N64 has a legendary roster of games and that it wasn't just second fiddle to the PS1 the entire time.
OP is right. It would be one thing if games only got occasional remasters as technology improved, but modern remakes go well beyond that, until they barely even resemble the originals anymore. And instead of mocking them for disrespecting the creator's vision, gamers cheer for it. They tell newcomers to skip the original and just play the remake. Because apparently not even gamers think games are art. To them all it takes to make a classic game obsolete is updating the graphics.
I fucking hate Twitter engagement bait threads so much.
>>736552932it will never stop bothering me how people view RE2R as an alternative to RE2
>>736552848>>played in 2019>ERRRRM YOU DIDN'T ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME BECAUSE YOU EXPERIENCED IT DECADES AFTERWARDSThen you didn't read Don Quixote.>>havent played eitherI have. It's an inferior product all around with the sole intent at stroking Nightdive's ego at not being entirely portslop with a shitty derivative remake.>posts at sharty too?Holy mucho projection batman.
>xhe is posting Steam achievments like a fucking underageyeah sharty is here
>>736553036I don't understand why people post engagement bait on 4chan, there's no benefitOP even used AI to help write the post, very confusing behavior
>>xhe is posting Steam achievments like a fucking underage>yeah sharty is here
>>736553047It is one. It's so different from the original game that you can see them as separate games. That's probably the best way to remake something desu>but the creator's vision!Kamiya liked it. He made the original game
>>736548868Games as art movement is the gayest thing to happen to gaming.>>>/wsg/6124628
>>736553162Because that fuck south african white nigger musk made it so you can get paid on Twitter for engagement bait so niggers like pajeet Nation or shitpost rock make money off of 4chan posts. Hope he dies so someone less retarded can roll back everything
>>736553224i meant people that play RE2R and purposefully choose to not even consider playing the original in the future because they still view it as the similiar experiences, i've seen this happen even among people who play old games just fine
>>736548868Normies are the only people that care about this shitThey are (or were) the type that used to make fun of gamers before gen 7 for playing gamesBut now that every other game is iMmErSiVe movie or open world slop so they can convince themselves that what they're "playing" is objectively better/ art, and grafix fags will defend them because as long as it's the latest and greatest on a technical level, it doesn't have to be fun
>>736550505>Some people do this but filmfags rightfully shit on these "efforts", while vidya fags celebrate themPeople have been bitching about remakes and remasters since the SNES you stupid fucking retard.Get the fuck out of here and go back to twitter.
>>736548868Mods aren't comprehensive, it's nice getting 3d assets from the 3ds version for things like bill boarded pickups and enhancements like link but there's all kinds of problems.>couldn't find a mod to replace horses>original rig/animations not improved for 3ds assets so things like hood/tunic don't move like 3ds>level geometry outside of scenes that are pre rendered in the n64 version largely remains the same so it doesn't hit the level of quality seen in the 3ds version>not all assets from 3ds version were fully overhauled so some npcs still look uglyIt's good but it's got gaps, a lot of the qol features are nice, I played on a retrofighters brawler 64 controller and used the d-pad for additional items, but in doing that I couldn't use a stick for separate camera control, the game is still so smooth I felt it wasn't really needed anyway.
I like that op's entire argument falls apart when you point out companies have sold directors cut editions for ages that add things that were originally removed from the theatrical release For the record worrying about how someone grown ass man plays vidya is feminine behavior
>>73655326280% of this video is the gayest shit ever but then he gets to his core idea and it actually makes sense.Yes, more skilled players who are driven to explore and discover things should be able to unlock a higher difficulty that rewards them. Dadgamer cattle get herded into easy mode without being told it's easy mode. It makes a lot of sense and would be more fun than a menu too.Crimson Desert is the latest example of this, I think it has some of the best boss fights in recent gaming because you have to think outside the box when fighting bosses and figure out how to exploit their weaknesses and beat them. Because they don't fight anything like the normal enemies. It's very different from the rest of the game, and synergizes well with how many tools and skills you get.Then I go online and the consensus is the boss fights are trash and bullshit because spamming roll doesn't work, and they don't know any other strat, so the way most players win is eating food and spamming attacks.It's very sad. These people deserve a retarded cattle mode as the default so they too can have fun, while those who figure out the first few bosses' weaknesses, by actually playing the game, unlock a harder difficulty.
>>736548868We have rescans of films all of the time bro, VHS, DVD, Blu-ray, streaming... Books get retranslated all the time too, and we're not talking about "dumbing them down", but actually going through the author's notes, letters etc. all just to check if the terms are translated correctly
>>736553778The director altering a vision is different from mod slop.
>>736548868the difference is the writing you cited was always good and didn't need changingOoT was never good and needing changing
>>736552636The 3ds version outside of a few really weird decisions like the Sheikah stones, the major tone shift in the finale and links animations is an ideal approach to this because it looks how people remember the original game, it's not technically low poly but it lands a look in line with it with it's angular geometry and low res textures, it's like Sonic Mania in the way that it's a kind of ideal take with original hardware constraints removed, although Mania built more towards Sega Saturn'd capabilities, the 3ds is somewhere between a Dreamcast and PS2 in terms of raw hardware power.
>>736551162until you morph ball, unless you map the morph ball to the mouse but still feels off the morph ball was made for the stick.
>>736553987>OoT was never good and needing changingSaar
>>736553943So you think the star wars editions Lucas pushes are the definitive way to watch the original trilogy?Also it's a mod. Mods by thier definitive are optional. Nobody is stopping you from using the default vanilla settings. Entire emulators have a software setting that acts exactly like original console. >doom mods are bad because checks notes...Carmack and I'd software wanted users to have fun making there own maps
>>736553893>he gets to his core idea and it actually makes sense.Just because I can understand the point, doesn't mean I agree with it.>It's very sad. These people deserve a retarded cattle mode as the default so they too can have funThey really don't deserve it.
>>736553987>and needing changingGood morning saar
>>736553987None of the remakes do anything to fix OOT though. OOT's flaws are just an inherent part of the game and if you fix them you're making a different game. Like if Hyrule Field actually had something in it, you're building a whole new world which is just a different game.If you fix the camera to not be dogshit, the UI to not be dogshit, overhaul the controls to be less awkward, redo the combat and encounters to not be trivial, and the puzzles to be something you think about rather than a chore, and maybe extend some of the dungeons to be more interesting... what's even left of the original?The port's name references the Ship of Theseus, but the whole point of that ship is that it's functionally identical to the original. If you turn the ship into an aircraft it's not really a remake anymore.
>>736554119No, but it's the director's stupid vision and he's entitled to it. Not all films are art and Star Wars isn't, it's entertainment for the masses.>Mods by thier definitive are optional.OP is objecting to the person saying a game with mods is the "definitive way to experience the game."
Games are art is the biggest gay shit ever it's over a decade and retards still go on about this. I don't want games to be art I want them to be fun
>>736554527Your entire argument is a fallacy based on a Twitter post from India. And for the record you have conceded. Because if all films are not art than neither are games.
Daily reminder that video games can't be art until Roger Ebert lays off the fatty foods.
>>736554119>Mods by thier definitive are optional. Nobody is stopping you from using the default vanilla settings.The carefully chosen bad tweet is saying anyone who wants to play OoT should do so with mods slapped over it. The argument is whether or not you should do that. Obviously, OoT did fine on the Nintendo 64, so the guy on Twitter is an idiot.
>>736554731*not
>>736548868Why do people that don't even pay attention to film critics or even movies parade Ebert around with vidya discussion? Normally you do that when you are actually invested in someone before they state a random opinion. Instead everyone that does it does so just because he's known as a film critic thinking that validates anything, game journalists did the exact same shit back in the day when he initially said vidya can't be art and now he's dead and journalists are still subhumans.
>>736548868>3DS character modelsEugh
>>736556182It's ragebait like 90% of the posts on the site. At this point I'm convinced they don't even know how to start a "discussion" in any other way.
>>736548868Nobody who ever played video games thinks they're art, or should be art, outside of certain unfortunates living in shithole nations where classifying them as art would allow them to get around certain censorship laws. And even then they don't believe them to be art, it's just a means to an end.
>>736550505You're making arbitrary distinctions, you tard. There are filmfags and vidyafags who do those things and who criticize them.
>>736556280Some of it is bait but I think there's an unfortunate amount of pseudo intellectuals too.
>>736554739Ebert was primarily right and 99% of games that people call art are woefully misinformed.In order for a video game to truly be art it needs to make meaningful use of its mechanics. Shit like God of War isnt art, shit like Furi is, but nobody considers mechanically interesting games art, they're too focussed on video games and their ability to ape film
>>736548868Videogames are art, and I will respect the artist's original vision always. But running at 20 fps wasn't part of the artist's original vision. The correct way to play OoT of Time is vanilla graphics @ 240 fps.
>>736549075Differences in how the text is printed is more akin to using a different game controller. The text is but the medium through which you absorb and take in the meanings of the text. Similar to how a game controller is the medium through which you interact with the game's gameplay, systems, and mechanics. Changing the actual visuals of the videogame however, would be more akin to actually changing the words of the text in a book.
OoT isnt artIt has about as much artistic merit as road signs>give player metal boots in the dungeon that requires metal boots as the fairy tells you to use the metal boots to continue through the dungeon>BRAVO BRAVO!!!
>>736556479I think I get what you mean but explain your example of Furi.
>>736548868It's almost like games are a different medium or something
Post games Roger Ebert never played.
>>736364646Hm...
>>736556665Furi(probably a bad example) requires understanding of its mechanics without beating the player over the head with them and asks that the player become familiar and master the mechanics. Furis status as art is determined not by the music, story or visuals, but by its gameplay mechanics and execution requirements. I'd say a better example or at least better communication of my point is that arcade games are more parts art than story heavy cinematic experiences
>>736556814Welcome to Sharteen+Retardera floodsThis is xher new modus operandi
>>736556921>muh vbi find it funny it already speaks volumes about how outdated this list is because that washed up hasbeen fell off hard
>>736556834Okay I was understanding right. Yeah I agree and I was thinking arcade games would fit that too.
>>736557174they dont care, all they want is hate and derail 4chan because /qa/ was effectively yeeted
>>736548868>Muh developer intentionsThe devs forever and always had 2 intentions for every video game.>The player enjoys the game>The game makes moneyAnything else is a pseudo headcanon of pretentious gamers who just insert they're own idea of what the devs wanted. If I mod the game and it makes me enjoy it more, then that's the devs intentions.
>>736557557what you said is literally the otaku mentality with their retarded purities, but with vidya.which explains a lot of things over anti modding fags
>>736554402I mean they do actually change some of the puzzles though.I think most prominently every puzzle where a switch is locked behind the door it opens and you have to realize a spin slash can clip its hitbox through the gate to reach it are all changed so that the switch is hidden somewhere else in front of the door.
>>736548868>this happened once with Romeo & Juliet>oncekek always funny to spot a pseud making an effortpost
>this album needs a REMAKE!>no not a remastering of the original sound, a complete REMAKE!>new singers, new instruments, new recording techniques, new lyrics, new cover!>I need this because I'm a such huge fan of the Beatles
>>736548868>woah that old silent film is unwatchable!film fags do this all the time, we're getting remakes even of modern fucking films.
>>736548868hmmmm okay twitter tard.... let's see if the Ganon fight lighting is fucked up in this version....
>>736548868>Imagine filmfags going "woah that old silent film is unwatchable!they do all the fucking time. They're just too lazy to do what you just said but with ai give it time and people will.
>>736548868>I've upscaled it to 4K via AI, dubbed it, and added frame interpolation up to 120fpsThis would be unironically amazing to see for many films
>>736548868I shant watch a black and white silent.
>>736561939People do listen to covers yes.
>>736550361The biggest difference is the shadows and lighting.
>>736550505>Some people do this but filmfags rightfully shit on these "efforts", while vidya fags celebrate them, You are a vidyafag shitting on this tho? Are you arguing you don't exist?
I have a friend who bitches about the industry pursuing graphics and how it's ruined game design CONSTANTLY but absolutely refuses to play top tier games from the late 90s because the graphics are too harsh and unpleasant. It's fucking ridiculous. I don't give a shit what is popular or what sells because the bottom line is that gamers truly are deranged faggot morons that only know how to bitch and shit up the hobby by throwing money at garbage they clearly don't like and don't want to see more of.
>>736563038Covers aren't begged for, nor are they typically considered replacements for the originals.
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>>736548868I only watch movies in 30 second clips from youtube shorts.
>>736548868>this happened once with Romeo & Juliet, and bookfags completely mocked and humiliated that version, but vidyafags just celebrate the desecration of classics while posing as connoisseurs>this happened once>onceShut your dirty LARPing mouth, you piece of shit fraud. Pic very much related. OP doesn't read books nor does he participate in any subcultures that do.Appropriation has been the name of the game for 100 fucking years. Get with the program. Artists can AND SHOULD take, steal or borrow from other artists. As long as they make something cool on the other side, its fine. Its eat or be eaten in the world of modern art.
>>736548868shitty remakes of old movies that retards defend have been a thing for longer than video games have existed
>>736548868May as well sign away the Dark Souls 2 Lighting Engine mod because OH MY GOD THAT'S NOT HOW THE GAME IS SUPPOSED TO BE PLAYED. Or Bethesda bugfixes. Or emulation, that's not exactly accurate or legitimate, is it? Do you see the slippery slope fallacy that can easily be applied to your arbitrary gatekeeping attempts no one cares for? You're not sophisticated, I have my N64 that no longer works and completed saves on it five feet away from me, the Gamecube port with Master Quest and Majora's Mask, plus a family Nintendo Online expansion pass so I could play it on Switch, and I'd still rather play the decomp or even the 3DS version any day of the week. And if I mod it, god help your wrathful little soul stewing in its festering primordial rage.The idea that media should be static and cannot be changed simply shifts away from "author intent" the moment you have the ability to walk in a different direction than what the author supposedly intended. And after a point, the user end experience can be whatever the hell it damn well wants to be, no matter how stupid or extensive.
Why is /v/ filled with the most insufferable retarded faggots on this website?
>>736548868Roger Ebert opening his boomer mouth about video games not being art unironically caused the rise of wokeness in the vidya industry.Stupidass baldlennials got their fee-fees hurt about the mean old man not appreciating video games enough, so they are dedicating their lives to appealing to Hollywood and running vidya into the ground.
>>736548868Film snobs do this too retard. There's tons of color shifted films and fan cuts online.
>>736548868zelda was never good all the autistic arguments about its "artistic value" are completely pointless
>>736553461Understand post>>736553918What about the older movies and shows that get all kinds of visuals cut to accommodate industry standard image ratios? I'd much rather watch a polished up movie in it's original ratio than something blown up with a considerable amount of product simply cropped out
>>736549365>20fps is perfectly playable on CRTs due to superior motion qualityNo. Full CRT motion quality needs frame rate equal to refresh rate. 20fps on a CRT gives you two trailing ghost images. It's arguably worse than LCD.
>>736548868Blu-rays and 4k blurays are exactly the thing you're describing
>>736564446artistic value? OoT is one of the best games I've ever played. You should try it.
>>736549075If I cut away music you keep 100% the same gameplay, right?What about the cutscenes, can we cut them away and have a black screen for the credits?We could also trim down the dialogues, most of them add nothing to the gameplay.
>>736563613>Covers aren't begged for,people often say shit like "x artist should cover song y">nor are they typically considered replacements for the originals.except they often are. "the book of love" by the magnetic fields is hardly known while the peter gabriel cover is the one everyone knows. everyone knows the version of "mad world" from donnie darko and considers that the "definitive" version. the johnny cash version of "hurt" is the one everyone knows, there are a load of people i know who didn't even realize it was a cover.
>>736563613>nor are they typically considered replacements for the originals.Except when they are I guess.
>>736563613All Along the Watchtower would disagree
>>736565457>>736565573>>736565590What the fuck do you faggots think the word "typically" means?
>>736548868Why are consoletards like this? Don't play it then, don't play Nintendo's 3DS remake and don't play Nintendo's upcoming remake, in fact, only play the original Japanese release since all other versions are compromised and unfaithful to the original vision.
