Why don't live-service games go for player-customizable generic characters, over premade, voice-acted designs they may or may not like?
>>736549476Because then they can't sell you skins.
i have twitter fatigue
>>736549476Because OverwatchBut they forget the groundwork that Overwatch laid for their characters before they launched.
>>736549476Live-service games are industry's new ET
I love concordlikes
>>736549970shame that with MTX slop there's no physical evidence to literally bury in a very unintentionally symbolic fashion
I want to go back to the era of Battlefield and CoD where you just play as a generic masked soldier. I can't believe I am actually saying this but I am nostalgic for that era now. I don't want to play Ready Player One I just want to play games where everyone is a bunch of grunts like Counter Strike. Yes I know this era technically started all of this with paid weapon skins, but you get my point.
>>736549476Because they hate you.
By having pre-made characters, your game now has characters that the audience can associate the IP with and become attached to. You can use them for marketing, and even use them for cross-market media and merchandise. The gacha genre thrives on having characters that the audience grows to care about. Even outside of gacha, memorable characters can help an IP stand the test of time. Just look at Team Fortress 2. This can be a double edge sword however as a bad character can be detrimental to the game's image, and a bad roster can be disastrous as games like Concord and Highguard have demonstrated.
>>736550292holy victim complex
>>736549476characters are an easier sell as dlc. if you do cosmetics only, people will just skip them and play the game forever without paying regularly.
>>736549539Why not go full character creator and sell individual pieces of clothes? Could design bundles around a given theme as a full ensemble.
time takers?more like piss takers
>>736549970except it's the complete oppositepublishers who don't have proper live service experiences are the ones with the least success, the one exception being capcom
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isn't it weird how it's literally better to make a thread of a twitter screencap with an animation than it is to just make the animation thread4cucks slurp twitterGOD semen
>>736550647Would (You) buy clothes for your character rather than just design whatever is nice and stick to it since that's literally (You)? I know I wouldn't.
>>736550740Absolute morons need the context of a tweet sentence so they know if they're supposed to be mad or agree with the words before they start posting. Pure toddler behavior.
>>736549476doesn't the finals do that?
>>736550149That means you'll buy them.. right?!
>>736550740>>736550870It's the curse of anons wanting a person to direct their ire on. A random anon is too vague to engage with. It's like that vid of the two dogs barking between the gate to go all cowardly the moment the gate is removed. Same idea with most social media, they just take screen grabs from other places and take them else where just to watch people bark at them rather than fight the source directly.
>>736550705>companies burn millions of dollars making shit games to personally spite me
Cute charac->3v3v3v3Stop this. I have more than 2 friends and want to play team games with them. Fucking friendless freaks in game dev pushing this 3 man team bullshit for a decade now
>>736549476>grok generate me deadlock character, but make it not too obvious
You don't understand, anon.Fortnite changed things. It is in an Executive's scrote to chase things like that.Jeff Kaplan said his CFO told him that Fortnite was made with X people and made Y money and if Jeff couldn't do the same with Overwatch he'd have to fire 1000 people or some shit.
>>736551163Your political opponents have infinite money, against which your pittance is measured. But you keep VOOOOOOTing with your wallet, goylem.
>>736549476What the fuck man.. Why is there ANOTHER one?
>>736551495Rats can only live in filth.
I think my favorite part of the AAA video game industry is just how MANY times something has to fail before they learn from it.
>>736551021
>>736549476because the "people" they're trying to appeal to and get money from don't have the creativity or patience to make use of a character creator, and would unironically buy a nicki minaj and snoop dog skin
>>736549476https://timetakers.plaync.com/en-us/indexI didn't think it was an actual thing.>NCSOFTLmao, why are they even trying? They already know how this ends.
>>736551283>Your political opponents have infinite money, against which your pittance is measuredThis is true, but not in the way you're thinking. These companies only care about money. Any appearance of ideology only serves to cash in on a market.
>>736549476I thought the reason why concord was a hated thing because the characters looked ugly
>>736549476it's like ncsoft had westerners design the outfits but then had their south korean artists finalize the faces kekif this was at least from a chinese developer, this wouldn't instantly flop due to the sheer number of chinese people but south korea doesn't have that luxury
>>736549476>quirky over-the-top characters with realistic proportionsfucking stop it, please give your game an art style so your characters dont look like cosplayers
>>736552098It's been 15 years and you still repeat this bullshit.The whole woke virus was manufactured by burning trillions. Inflation and fiat make the whole capitalism angle irrelevant.
>>736552098The entire point of ESG is to burn money on and support less profitable companies just because they hire more niggers or promote more social messaging. They've already spoken with their wallet, dumbass fencesitter.
>>736549476i dont even know what to call this kind of character design
>>736549476I like the blob guy. They shoulda made everyone blob guys with different body types. Imagine the slimegirl porn with the girl blobs.
>>736549539Yes you can, that's literally what MMO's do selling tons of outfits out of cash shops its an even bigger incentive to fork out money for a character you made than a premade one actually games like PSO2 pretty much completely revolve around people buying cosmetics for their characters.
>>736549476I have not seen a single black male outside the monkey in that video, maybe this game will be good?
>>736549476Is there ever any internal logic as to why these characters dress the way they do or is it just "woah guys how colourful!!!!"
>>736551236Thats the super loli lover guy. From that comic where he gives a speech about loving lolis from afar, then dunks a basket.
>>736549476Woah, attractive female characters in western games again? Looks like woke is over and society is back to appreciating us straight white men. I'm gonna join the military to show my appreciation, who's with me?
>>736553510Yes, you're actually looking at it completely wrong.In big companies every single member follows a extensive amount of assbackwards guidelines and rules on how to design stuff. Its believed those rules will lead to a successful game.
>>736553746They were just... following orders?!
>>736549476This looks kinda boring but there are a couple good designs in there, I wouldn't call it a concord, more of a paladins since it's inevitably going to be a gameplay issue not a total lack of appeal issue
>>736550675Biggest issue here is how most of the list is just old games or sports titles. It's not a live service thing. It's an audience thing. The market is ignoring the large single player/coop sector for these expensive gambles
>>736549476Because thats what TF2 and OW did and these people have no creative ideas of their own they're just aping what was already successful.
>>736550647because that would be insanely worse for both gameplay and marketingsee loadout (probably the best example) vs tf2
>>736550740>Deadnaming XBiggot
>>736549476Why the fuck do they keep making these type of games if they are so easy to fail? Characters shooters were lame a decade ago.
>>736549613You mean the porn?
>>736554128head so far up their ass they think THEIR game is going to be a hit. dev interviews about highguards were nothing but pure delusion
>>736552098>muh it's not political because the companies lost while pushing my ideologyRetard. Fink himself admitted it was all a push for your gay ideology and that it wasted a lot of money.
>>736554128These entered production like 4 years ago, they have to finish the projects or someone is getting sacked.
>>736550879Yeah, The Finals has outfit customization. It's pretty decent about it too, especially since they were pretty quick on avoiding most FOMO and also allow any shop items in bundles to be nabbed separately (and since you get a lot of coins for just playing, you can get most customization shit for free). /v/ just hates talking about The Finals because it's a game that>shows tech and innovation in the FPS space is still moving forward>shows that a UE5 game can be well-optimized, even when doing full destruction and physics shit>holds a stable 15-20k playerbase for years despite constant doomsaying in the first month>Nexon considers their pillar in the west while First Descendant dies (obsessed culture warriors hitched their wagon to the latter and pitted it against The Finals in their usual sex-focused tirades)>is too hard for most of them to playamongst other things
>>736549476Lmao the male squid alien is literally wearing less than bikini armor but if course every female us 100% covered
>>736549476Premade characters have a lot more potential to get fanart. But that's assuming the premade design doesn't suck
>>736550825that's basically the backbone of Guild Wars 2 and Warframe's monetization
>>736549476That will be antisemitic and bigotry.
>>736550647Because players hate clipping of any kind. It would be impossible to design and fit all gear so that they work together.
>>736552098Holy stupid. Pitiful goyim
God those animations are low tier, like they handed it off to animation student interns.
>>736549476have good character artists been shipped to siberia to work in camps or something? the only thing vaguely interesting here is fat slime man
>>736549476fuck, we'll need to edit it again..
>>736558836Horizon is going to be Phase 2 at this rate
>>736558836needs hyenas
>>736551031/v/ with some tiny form of community moderation would be so goodI miss being able to talk about games without tourists derailing threads
>>736551021>That means you'll buy them.. right?!not even the biggest fans will buy itenjoy your modern audience
>>736550647The Finals does this
If a character can look like and be anything, how can you make comics, shows, figures, or other things about them?
>>736559209>/v/ with some tiny form of community moderation would be so goodis anyone still falling for the "it would make so much money if you just alienated all your fans so people who never buy video games might buy it" bait?
>>736554128The hypothetical decade of half-billion dollars a year returns is too alluring
>>736559480well, back in the old days of MMORPGers, players would make custom charactrs that were so funny and entertaining that even a webcomic of the adventures of a Twitch streamer would make millions of dollars, like City of Villians' "The Nefarious Homosexual Agenda"but then people got offended that someone was making money selling entertainment they didn't like, so President Obama shut it all down
>>7365594944chan worked the way it worked before 3 billion children and boomers got access to the internet overnight. With so many people using it now and jannies being selective with enforcing the rules it's basically a coinflip if a thread is going to have genuine discussion or twitter ragebait. I don't remember which chan it is but one of them has a votekick system and people say it actually works.
what specifically makes a group of hero shooter characters concordcore? is it just the obviously artificial journo wank over them?
>>736561138There's a lot of other negative things that typically accompany the journo wank, which is why it needs the journo wank in the first place. The journo wank isn't meant to spread genuine opinions, and it sure as hell isn't intended to spread factual information; It's intended to spread propaganda, and the more atrocious and deceitful the propaganda is, the more wank it requires.
>>736561138i haven't formally studied concordcore games but from my armchair analysis: disparate designs where "donut steele" was seemingly the only desired outcome
>>736549476Thats not the problem. If you are going to make a hero shooter, the characters are absolutely everything. You need a dedicated team of extremely talented artists to push an art direction good enough to stand above the rest. By doing this realistic garbage you are being cheap in the most important part of your game. Its so retarded they deserve to go bankrupt
>>736561138>>736561374basically when the dev team declares some demographic is inferior and shouldn't ever buy their gamesthis always results in shareholder panic and deployment of propagandists to try to walk back the dev team's comments, cancel the gamers who noticed them, or just bury everything under tons of obvious BS
>>736561654but how can we have a consistent style when we have different teams working independently on each character? and if we have a lead artist, how can we pretend he's just another employee and underpay him?
>>736549476What's supposed to be the problem with this one? All the women are good looking and there's no character that jumps out as being designed with the Blizzard diversity chart
>>736549476That is too realistic. What happened to style? Everything sucks always did
>>736561734How does a man develop so much self-hatred?Also...>his studio is no longer on x>check its bluesky>1 post every week or so, no engagementKWAB
>>736549476it looks fine but its gonna flop because no one needs more hero shooters
>>736561915dunno, probably angry highguard fans who think they can make everyone else's Tortanics sink like 4chan made theirs sink except 4chan never made anyone's game sink, the devs did it themselves by making the shittiest games they could to punish gamers in general and chuds in particular
The dream of hero shooters and mobashit is that you can design a bunch of random garbage and assume that at least a few will miraculously stick out in people’s minds. The reality is that it doesn’t matter even if you have the greatest character ever when everything around them is dogshit.
>>736561138Zero level of testosterone in the character designs and no desire to appeal to the male audience. There's a sense of smugness as they think they are "above" appealing to men and are getting ass-pats for being "ground breaking" for doing so. All designs were passed through a melange of cheap millenial artists and HR departments until they arrived at a result that didn't offend (or appeal) anyone and had any level of vision ground down into already-done slop. It's all designed for a phantasmal audience that doesn't exist and that the developers believe they can artificially induce by producing content for them and they will "strike it big and prove the bigots wrong!" when they do(n't). Lots of instances of "fake character" syndrome - characters who don't act like or behave in ways that have ever been observed in real humans so don't connect with the audience such as all these women wearing "wacky" clothing picking up guns and rushing into combat with a smile on their face, butch lesbian mechanics in the style of Rosie the Riveter, the "deadzo" character with a screen mask with crossed out eyes, the big fat soft sóy character who fights to protect his friends or something. They just lack the "That's the sort of behaviour that character would do" factor which makes them seem lame and contrived. In lieu of making it cool and convincing, they could at least make the characters hot, but that's forbidden outside of very specific "empowering" characteristics that just makes it lame in execution.The "Concord" type game designers are completely incapable of making anything "cool", they can try and try and try, but it only gets lamer with the more ugly sci-fi blobs of plastic they bolt onto everything as it devolves into a lame and gay mush.
>>736549476Where does this fall in the concordverse?
>>736561734got a list of hero shooter examples of the dev leaders saying that?
>>736558182The only people I see who care about clipping are on /v/ kids and shit don't care when it happens in fortnite and shit
