Are they the scariest enemies ever?
>>736573017Nah just stupid. It reads like it was written by Chris Chan responding to someone questioning their universe.>Hmm those look interesting but we could defeat them with our technology. The military would respond by carpet bombing them, never engaging them in gr...>Well actually they have a type that has a giant eye that shoots a laser that can hit a gnat at up to 70 miles in the atmosphere!>Oh OK, yeah don't know what we'd do about that...
>>736573017oh no... not the nutsack pussy monster... im going insane...
>>736573502>space-faring alien life is capable of responding to aerial threats and this is unrealistic
>>736573017Scary? Not really.Effective? Extremely.
>>736573645there's aerial threats and just being so retarded you make any counter near impossible. it's pyure self wanking faggotry to have the illusion of a 'threat' and 'stakes'.
>>736573017puffy
>>736573017>VN enemies those doesn't count , if they did why stop in visual novels and go to books as well
>>736573017No, they are cute.
>>736573645That's just it the solution to aerial threats isn't creative, it's an army of fucking cyclops from xmen. If they had some flying alien horde that attacked planes that would be cool. Nah just laser man.
would
>>736573645It's the fact that they magically never commit friendly fire despite shooting gigantic lasers that makes it stupid. If they're programmed to never hit one of their own guys, why not just strap one of the smaller guys onto your mech before you engage them?
The BETA are pretty small time in the grand scheme of things. Hell they get wiped out completely after the events of Alternatives but it's funny to laugh at retarded powerscalers that try to treat them like a big deal.
>>736574235You're misunderstanding the point of the laser beta.It's not to provide a threat to the protagonistsIt's to provide a justification to use cool bipedal robots instead of jets
>>736574572So shitty writing
>>736574268Don't they melt away into goo in captivity?
>>736574562It's less about one planet and more that they're apparently so spread throughout the universe that there are trillions of infected planets. Removing them from earth is nothing compared to mars or whatever.
>>736575252By the time humanity gets to Mars the BETA are a joke and easily wiped out with little risk.
>>736575087>in-universe explanations to justify the premise of the story the writer wanted to tell is bad writingThat's the opposite of how it works.>>736573737>there's aerial threats and just being so retarded you make any counter near impossible.If you read the story you'd know they counter it at the end via an orbital drop mission.>>736574268Probably because the world's air forces were already decimated long before they ever figured that out, and by the time they were in any state to actually capture BETA it was after they'd already developed TSFs as the primary military force. Though this is something that should've been brought up as a possibility at some point. Maybe it's in the extra material art book.
>>736575484Is there a sequel to alternative?
>>736574562>Hell they get wiped out completely after the events of AlternativesThey get eradicated from Earth and their hive on Mars is destroyed as well but they're still all over the rest of the galaxy in infinitely greater numbers and likely greater capabilities.>>736575484And if the BETA home worlds take notice of what happened there and decide to send an actual war force to investigate and retaliate? The BETA sent to our solar system were just an autonomous mining force, not even a real military, and they had no real intelligence either, just a hive-mind derived from one overseer whose death causes them to fall apart. We never even see the race that actually created the BETA.>>736576141There are various side stories in different regions but the Mars stuff comes from the art / design book which has some information about the future of humanity.
>>736576276My assumption is that the race that created them is probably long dead by the time the story happens. The sheer number of Beta means they're probably billions of years old, just acting on their orders for eternity.
>>736576141Not really but various supplements over the years have filled in the timeline.The BETA are cleared off the Moon and Mars a few decades after Alternative.TSFs keep getting more and more powerful, comically so. To the point where a single one is capable of clearing out multiple planets of BETA by itself.The biggest threat to humanity remains itself.It's made very clear that the BETA aren't an issue less than half a century after Alternative.
What advantage do TSFs have that attack helicopters dont?
>>736576584Mobility and flexibility.
CHOMP
>>736573017Not really scary but they are powerful. The Laser-class makes them a real problem. The others are basically just large ants
>>736573017>random soldier thinks about gooning in another timeline>whole opeation goes to shit
i fucking love muvluv's narrative because it's peak cozy.>all the young men are fucking dead>there are no old people, they're all dead at this point>everyone is young, fit as hell, and hot as fuck>they're all also wearing either skintight flight suits, or they're wearing handsome military uniforms. >everyone knows that they're about to die so there's basically no long term planning, everyone is fucking like rabbits and enjoying the day>common enemy for humanity to hate rather than internal politics (yes I know there are still some internal squabble, but let's me honest that's just there to add flavoring)anyways I really enjoyed muvluv, I read extra, unlimited, and alternative in like two days straight.
>>736576276>And if the BETA home worlds take notice of what happened there and decide to send an actual war force to investigate and retaliate?the fun of the series is the imminent low tech danger. Even towards the end of Alternative it got kinda lame how powerful humanity was getting. If they did send a "military force" to Earth, it would just be a normal scifi series at that point.
I'm just gonna say that Orks did it better.
>>736575252why would mars be a problem? they have no biodiversity to turn into beta there, it should be relatively straight forward
>>736576843>I know there are still some internal squabble, but let's me honest that's just there to add flavoringLOL>I read extra, unlimited, and alternative in like two days straight.No wonder you're so retarded. You're a speedreader.
>>736573017Not even close
someone post some good plug suit art please.
>>736576998The hive was way more massive.
>>736576843>>everyone knows that they're about to die so there's basically no long term planning, everyone is fucking like rabbits and enjoying the day>>common enemy for humanity to hate rather than internal politics (yes I know there are still some internal squabble, but let's me honest that's just there to add flavoring)Those are both wrong though. The reason for the skin-tight transparent suits is to make everyone so used to seeing each other naked that they stop even thinking about each other as the opposite gender after a point and there's barely any sex in Alternative at all accordingly. And internal political conflicts are a massive factor in why the world got so fucked by the BETA in the first place and take up an entire third of Alternative and the entirety of Unlimited and are also what The Day After and Schwarzesmarken are primarily about.
Is this the one where they took the brains of all the females and subjected them to pleasure torture eternally? Or am I thinking of another stupid vn?
>>736576998It was, but more because humanity sat up in space and nuked everything from orbit.
>>736573017Isn't this the VN that features NTR of the childhood friend? The part that everyone conveniently forgets to mention?Also, the first 5-10 hours of Unlimited is so fucking dull and boring it's not even worth reading. Fuck me it was shit.
>>736577171Not just females
>>736577171Just the main heroine. They study her, start making her cum a lot, give her a big futa cock and jack it off, and then start stripping away her flesh until she's just a brain and then she's rescued and given a remote body I think.
>>736577106right I get there are more advanced hives, I just don't get where the BETA would have come from. It was my understanding on earth that they ate the trees and shit to make more BETA, similar to how Tyranids work
>>736577206nobody ever forgets to mention twizzlersit's not really ntr. it's basically an alien autopsyunlimited is awesome. It's even better when you get to altnerativemuv-luvs best feature is the adaptive "friend" role. I get chizuru, someone else gets ayamine, everybody wins
>>736577107I can't remember if there is a throw away one liner like that, but you just know that is bullshit anon. They're a bunch of teenagers with fat tits pumped up on adrenaline and estrogen. you just KNOW they are fucking like crazy offscreen, it wouldn't make any sense otherwise.
Please point me in the direction of the silicon life.
>>736573017From what I've gathered from post osmosis it does seem that way. I really should get around to playing it but TWO WHOLE VNS OF HIGHSCHOOL BULLSHIT? REALLY? From what I did play it wasnt totally horrible, lost muh save tho
>>736577478It's only one VN of highschool bullshit.
>>736573017Why do they have a pussy?
>>736573017I watched a 30 minute lore primer, and no, even by the footage I was shown, things that were said not to work should work against them i.e. drones or lower-to-the ground missiles.
>>736577560apparently because they are genetically based in human genes which may or may not feature vaginas and balls
>>736573017I don't know but I certainly wouldn't be dumb enough to park my mech near a bunch of dead ones and go outside to have a moment. Would make me the dumbest retard in the world.
>>736577840she wasn't in a tsf, but i'm not sure why there weren't any MP or infantry around...
>>736573645Any sufficiently advance space faring race that wants the resources from a planet and are willing to commit genocide to entirely remove the native inhabitants to get to them, would either just barrage it from orbit, unleash a grey goo, or use a biological weapon. Its part of the reason why most alien invasion stories are just dumb. The advanced civ has to intentionally not use their tech advantage.
Erect nipples in skintight bodysuits
>>736578096Honestly if the civilization is that powerful they could just reformat any kind of matter into whatever they need, so "needing resources" is mostly a MacGuffin imo
>>736578218Finally the good posts start
>Cool and scary premise>SEX SEX SEX HIGHSCHOOL HIGHSCHOOL TEENAGERS HIGHSCHOOL SEX ROMANCE PLOTS WRITTEN BY VIRGINS SEX HIGHSCHOOLWhy are japanese like this.
>>736578283
>>736578352>>736578430because they're BASED
>>736578218this guy draws some awesome stuff, too bad most of it is futa
>>736578681That's a good thing.
>>736573017Are those the ones that reduced a girl down to just her brain and giving her constant orgasmic pleasures?
>>736578857I didn't chop off my dick so if I want to see one I can just look down.
>>736573017I don't think a lot of you guys with opinions have read the VN.t. read the VN.
>>736573017>People hype up alternative to hell and back>But first you have to read Extra, which is supposedly a slog>Read through extra and enjoy it from start to end>Never read to other onesI think i might be retarded
>>736579382Don't worry, Alternative is massively overhyped.
Monsters >>> AliensEDF has incredible monster design and they end up looking very horrific and "alien". Just look at the jaws on this beast. It could throw you around like a ragdoll and shrug off bullets like nothing. Imagine if it had a ranged attack like spewing acid or something that could melt armour. These beasts make my skin crawl.
>>736579593That's an ant.
>>736573017BETA aren't actually that strong by sci-fi standards. Any setting with FTL could wipe the floor with them flat out. And a good deal of settings limited by light speed could still do it easy enough. "Muh laser class" is something most sci-fi settings have to deal with by default, and otherwise the BETA's combat capabilities are rather pathetic even with their huge numbers. Muv-Luv fans are just a lot like 40k fans in how they seem to have a really big inferiority complex about pretending their stuff is more "hardcore" than other franchises because they're embarrassed about liking a porn game about girls in see through suits getting raped by giant walking penises.
>>736578243BasicallyTo top it off there's an unlimited amount of resources on completely fucked and dead planets and asteroids why bother wasting resources fighting a war when you could plunder the countless lifeless celestial bodies insteadUnless this is just some aliens who want to genocide a living species for lulz which I could believe
>>736576584they have jet engines strapped to them allowing them faster movement than helicopters, and also legs meaning they can walk around on the ground if needed as well as even faster landing/takeoff compared to helicopters.
>>736579759Horrifying
>>736576843>>common enemy for humanity to hate rather than internal politics (yes I know there are still some internal squabble, but let's me honest that's just there to add flavoring)>anyways I really enjoyed muvluv, I read extra, unlimited, and alternative in like two days straight.You skipped out on the media that directly addresses these things, like Schwarzmarken and Total Eclipse.
>>736579759That's a monster, what is this an ant too?
>>736579871For them living organisms are the "resources".
>>736573017Toss up between the Bydo from R-Type and Nemesis from Metal Black. the BETA are only scary in one specific scenario. Bydo and Nemesis are scenarios so fucked killing yourself isn't even an option if they don't want you to.
>>736580014OohhWell shit Tyranids do it better imho
>>736573017How would the BETA fare in settings like UC Gundam, Gundam SEED, Macross, Mazinger, Nadesico, etc.
>>736579871They were, don't they just mindlessly and methodically spread across the solar system starting with the outer planets first?
>>736580095BETA are just minigng drones formed from biomass, they're just operating on autopilot with a hive brain being an overseer to make adjustments based on the obsturctions to the mining operations. They don't perceive humanity or anything carbon based as living because they were made by silicon life forms. It's not malice, the silicon based life forms science just concluded that carbon based life is impossible, probably nothing out there actually alive so what the BETA do should be perfectly fine and safe.
>>736577423>this is happening in the story>no it isn't>uhhh it's probably happening offscreen and isn't talked about (even though Sumika turns the sex into a major plot element later)
>>736580132Mazinger might run out of juice during an engagement but otherwise, all those universe would stomp completely. BETA are only a threat to what WE have with our technology. Hell, the laser classes attacks are death with via a combination of heavy metal chaff bombardment and anti laser coating. A more developed setting would shit on them so satisfyingly.
>>736573017>Are they the scariest enemies ever?Nope.
>>736578096the beta ARE the grey goo/biological weapon. they are an extremely adaptive mining tool designed to mulch dirt and rocks.
>>736578968https://files.catbox.moe/gelyod.jpgYes
>>736579987That's a wasp, sir
>>736573017Why are they covered in pubic hair?
>>736578096The BETA are there to mine the planet's resources, not destroy them. That includes the local fauna.
>>736578681Dam Labo? He hasn't drawn any futa in years.
>>736580132Thinking on it, Macross might be the hardest counter to the BETA on this list. The GU-11 gunpod is like the GAU-8 on our A10 but on crack. So we wouldn't even have to move past SDF-1 era to have entire flight of incredibly lethal mass production weapons that far surpass the 36mm 2000 round magazines of the TSFs. Sure the 120mm canons that are used as a emergency weapon are more elthal per shot, but the 55mm armor piercing incendiary rounds are likely to punch through even the hardest BETA shells as long as its not bouncing off at bad angles. The nuclear engines also provide superior uptime compared to TSFs that run off fuel. If we are allowed to go past SDF-1 era, the stomp gets worse as we enter the realm of laser weaponry, warp rounds, and pinpoint barriers on the planes.
>>736579382Based Extra enjoyer. Alternative is great and all but the bandwagoner fags who shit on Extra and Unlimited are NOT my niggas. Only Extra has best girl after all.
>>736580021>the Bydo from R-TypeWhere does this even come from? Is R-Type Tactics 2 full of interesting lore that's missing from every other entry?
>>736580823But even the mighty Valkyries would have to kneel against a group of 30 Strykers with depleted uranium rounds.
>>736573017They're OP garbage.>okay, so aliens sent a mining expedition to Earth and Humanity fights them with mechs>but the alien mining expedition has super powerful lasers, super reflexes, and can see infinity miles; making all aircraft and missiles worthlessYeah. A "mining expedition" would have this.
>>736581069>A "mining expedition" would have this.It didn't have that initially. They were created as a countermeasure.>it's unrealistic that an alien space-faring mining force has powerful alien technology
>>736581148They used the lasers for mining secondary-kun.
>>736581069They didn't have them at the start. Laser class were originally much more focused on being mining lasers for melting and breaking down tough material. Its only after the BETA were getting shit stomped for weeks did the Hive decide to adapt thenm to shooting down things out of the sky, much like we would set up anti meteor defenses if we kept getting hit by space rocks. Plus, if the lasers were actually as OP as you say, doing short hops into the air would not be as effective as it is for navigating against the BETA. Plus every single time laser class get wiped out, combined arms, and artillery shits on the BETA. The TSFs get a lot of focus, but TSAs, tanks, IFVs, and and artillery do the real ground pounding.
>>736576843I feel totally justified in not liking this thing I barely know about if only because an idiot like you likes it.
>>736581320We don't claim him
>>736580132As for SEED, I think that's abundantly obvious how it'd go. The weapons are way too powerfulUC Gundam would only really be dodgy up to around the Zeta era. Gundam technology just completely snowballed around the time of ZZ, the outputs and operating times are insane for what individual suits could put out. Late UC suits would be an absolute scourge with its advance laser weaponry, minovsky flgiht capably machines, and various I Field generating equipment. The laser class would be more more dangerous than getting hit by flak fire from battle ships in space which we see Mobile suits dodge easily and shrug off glancing hits early on in the franchise. I Field enabled units or some Newtype nonsense like the funnel fields? I'm thinking its over for the BETA. Especially if we get to the F90 series or the V2 with its wings of light. The laser class are giga fucked then the rest of the military would clean up beautifully.
>>736581148the laser class appeared after 19 days
What do you do when you look over and see that the girl you were talking to got CHOMPed?
>>736580132I fully believe that the BETA would be unable to meaningfully damage Chogokin Z. It's as tall as this F-15 here at 18m but built like a brick shit house. Mazinger Z regularly boxes the hell out of Dr Hells creations many times larger than itself. It just cannot be stopped. The only weakness I see is the plider which I'm not sure if it's made of Chogokin Z as well because the little red fuckers could potentially swarm it.But if it is, then its curtains for them, they're useless. Z would readily run out of weapons though, thats the sad part of super robos that only have enough ammo for gimmick usage. Not the best for swarm situations but it's certainly not getting fucked up by any BETA class outside direct continued exposure to a Heavy Laser classes sustained fire. SUPAH ROBO TAMASHI
>>736581197>1973>BETA landing units settle in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region at Kashgar and commence construction of the Original Hive. Having refused UN Forces intervention, the Sino-Soviet combined force commences Operation Hongqui. Although the battle had initially been progressing in their favor, two weeks after the landing, their air power was neutralized by the appearance of the Laser class, forcing the adoption of a scorched-earth strategy using tactical nuclear weapons.>In April 1973, the BETA finally reached Kashgar on Earth from the lunar surface. They landed with neither air power nor anti-air capabilities. Therefore, in the first two weeks of fighting, mankind's air operations had dominated.>However, two weeks after the onset of combat at Kashgar, humanity's never-ending nightmare began, with the appearance of the Laser class.Per the Alternative Codex.
>>736580132anything with competent space fleets could probably intercept them before they landed on earth. Applies to gundam UC/Seed. You'd have to go to something like gundam 00 to get a real fight.macross tech advances super fast. SDF-era macross might struggle since their space resources are limited and it would become a ground battle where the BETA are strong, however VFs would be infinitely better against BETA than TSFs since they can just gerwalk mode for laserjadg and use plane mode after.
EDF! EDF! EDF!
>>736580892They're a stupidly dangerous threat at every scale. Tactically you need very specific tech to destroy them, conventional weapons will destroy their bodies and vehicles but their wave form body will just float off and infect your own men and equipment and it will keep fighting. Fighter and tanks and shit could shoot down their small craft, before those same destroyed crafts little ghosts hop in, warp the crews into it's new central nervous system for operating the craft, and keep fighting. At the macro scale they're hanging out in an alternate dimension and thus extremely difficult to combat directly in any strategic fashion. Adding to the frustration they have tech advanced enough to appear at various points in time to attack you at your weakest/least prepared. So even if you fight them off, they could just time paradox your ass and jump back a couple centuries and try again, or potentially invade you multiple times simultaneously with attacks launched centuries apart in their own time.
>>736581745Between your write up and mine, I completely spaced on the fact that the Macross has the Macross cannon. It would be like the Susano'o multiplied 10x. I was so concerned about the waves of enemies I didn't even think about the massive fuck off canons the settings battleships would have.
>>736580132Macross sweeps because music can do anything. The BETA would look like this in a week.
>>736582116Could Basara convince the autistic Hive computer that not only are humanity a form of life but we can coexist?
>>736581858BETA kind of suck ass against anything of that size but humanity only gets one(in SDF-era). A lot changes if the BETA are allowed to land and start developing countermeasures like picrel which might actually have the offensive power to do something about it but who knows.
>>736582401i have autism and forgot to actually put the the image on my post.
LASERS!
isn't this a ryona game or whatever?
>>736582454The pinpoint barrier tanked some ungodly hits in SDF-1. I still have doubts the laser fort could do anything to the SDF-1 in a meaningful way but since the materials were never released, who can say.
so what are these beta things? are they like tyranids from 40k in the sense that they are animal like, want to consume, and can evolve to counter weapons or strats? they look freaky
>>736582784They're like robots but made of flesh
>>736582784Mindless drones made by silicon based life that programmed them to harvest carbon mater and convert it onto a new type of materiala nd shoot it back to their home planet. Due to a lack of carbon based life where their creators are from, they arent programmed to find anyhting on Earth as living. They're not meant to be warlike or violent. In their bioprgramming, they're dealing with natural disasters the same we we'd deal with floods, rockslides, or tornados. Except with guns.
>>736582784They're essentially mining robots that don't register carbon beings as living things.
>>736573502The BETA invade in the 1960s in the Alter Native timeline, and already by the 40s our timelines were diverging a lot on the technologies we were pursuing.It's less that the laser-class were OP and more that they were already trending away from traditional air superiority in war. traditional modern war in their timeline would have involved ground / low air combat via TSFs, and orbital bombardments and troop deployments.Lasers have big range but you're way exaggerating it. they can hit anything within an arc defined by ~18 miles horizontal and ~6 miles vertical. further, because they're hiveminds with effectively 2 braincells each they're very easy to predict and even manipulate. they're well balanced, in other words.
>>736582584Ryona, gore, and misery porn. My advice?Never play a Visual Novel that gets a thread on /v/ on a regular basis.
>BETA is so stup-BETA are obviously written to be just threatening enough to earth with ~1980s level military and to make mechs viable so the author can write their military fiction story fighting mindless alien monsters with cool mechs. Stop thinking so hard about it.
>>736578430Why'd she hate the Russians so much? Would that have bee elaborated on in her route?
>>736582967based. i love stuff like that even though it's hella sad sometimes.
>>736579382It works fine stand-alone.
>>736582967Even Ace Attorney?
>>736573017Maybe not the scariest, but they are scary. I'm a huge fan of alien races that differ from the general "invade and conquer" shtick, or whose motives are impossible to understand. The fact that all the different species look different and some have weirdly human design elements is really creepy.
>>736583049I haven't seen an ace attorney thread in years.
>>736582784They're Von Neumann probes but re-imagined as organic instead of robotic.The whole 'point' to story is that they outclass us in every single way, but also act predictably and sometime irrationally and don't seem to really give a shit about humans. As such humanity is fighting a battle they know they will absolutely 100% lose, but in the meantime they pursue the "Alternative" plans, which mostly involve finding a way to communicate with them and figure out what exactly they want
>>736582967is it like >sad, but we can make it because we have friends and hope and we discover meaning, etc.or >sad, we are all dead, dying and there is no hope
>>736581745>anything with competent space fleets could probably intercept them before they landed on earthNot even space fleets, hasn't humanity developed this by the 80s? They are able to shoot down hives sent from the moon/mars/etc.
>>736583115For how terrifying the BETA are throughout most of the game, their defeat is kind of anticlimactic. It's not like I wanted humanity to lose or anything, but the moment we figure out how to beat them they almost cease to be a threat entirely.
>>736573017MAN
>>736583118It's absolutely not misery porn or even particularly sad. Dunno what anon is saying. There are sad moments, sad character deaths, but it's a huge cast and a 120+ hour story, that's expected.It's gritty and at times hopeless and melancholy, but the entire core of the story is of humanity being dealt an impossible hand and actually finding a way to win.
>>736583118"Complete your mission with all your might, never stop until your last breath, make your death count"
>>736583235IIRC, the BETA keep trying to send down hives after their first two successful ones, but we keep intercepting them. The only reason the first two worked is because we were unprepared and by the time we realized what was happening, they'd already set up.
>>736578352>SEX AND VIOLENCEah gee I wonder anon
>>736583332True. Humanity has a space force up there that is able to intercept hives regularly. They're not an issue at all before they land, spread, and burrow deep.
>>736573017
>>736583258They get to cheat a little bit by having the separate timelines. Alternative is when going all in on the 1/1,000,000,000 odds thing actually works.The Unlimited timeline covers the remaining 999,999,999 times
>>736573645It's bio-organic tech that totally outclasses the rest of their kit and is really out of place, just so they can use to to justify fighting them with mecha. Most the tech in that series is lower grade than Zeta Gundam but they have perfect lasers for some reason.
>>736583289It does have a lot of those distinctly Anime-Horror moments where somebody gets gored while screaming helplessly. Similar to early SNK>>736583412True. I'm not saying that I hate the ending or think it's inherently bad, but I personally felt like it destroyed a lot of the tension/dread that the series had built up earlier. Maybe I was expecting it to be a little more hard fought or something idk
>>736578681Is that where all the money is, like furries?
>>736583452Perfect he says, when a small laser class takes 3 seconds of sustained beam contact to shoot down a TSF Without their retarded numbers, the BETA are not that big a threat if we weren't capped at 1980s era weaponry until we jumped ahead with G Element tech
Is there some reason they sent a mining expedition specifically to earth? There's 3 other terrestrial planets in our system with similar compositions to earth and loads of moons. Are they mining the other planets too? Why even expend resources on an occupied planet when you could just mine all the other planets up and avoid all resistance?
>>736580460To be fair, a writer putting in a reason why something isn't happening in the story doesn't automatically make it believable, or even make any sense. Being desensitised to seeing the opposite sex naked does not remove a person's sex drive. Millions of years of reproductive instinct isn't going to be suppressed to that point without actively brainwashing them or something.
>>736583371Even then, the BETA only got a foothold because china kept it hush hush until it became too big for them to contain
>>736583592They hit every other planet on the way to us. Mars is super fucked with mega hives. Then they hit the moon to eat the moon dust. Earth was just next. They didnt choose us specifically, they sent a hive to every fucking planet in the galaxy.
>>736583398kek
>>736583560i wanna see this gore. see what level they got going.
>>736583592They did hit the other planets, also there was no direct order to hit earth just "go hit every planet for resources do whatever"
>>7365730171. From a multi work viewpoint, they are not scary because there are far worse threats and ends for a person in many other works.2. From an in-work viewpoint, they are a touch too goofy and non-threatening individually, especially to main characters riding in the vehicles meant to easily destroy scores of them. Some scenes that attempt to convey the fear of the people involved are far too forced.Laser class represent a much better individual example of something plausibly scary since their effects are plausible, limited in scope (not a snap fingers rocks fall), and would require twitch reactions to survive against.
>>736583645Roger. We're totally fucked then, literally no chance of survival. Mass suicide is unironically the best option.
>>736583412What about Extra where they just realize they can fuck off and escape the Beta because they don't have FTL
CHARGIN MAH LAZER!!
>>736573017How do they compare to sadistic Easter bunnies?
>>736583675Nah, Since you obviously aren't going to read, by the end of the story, humanity figures out energy fields and laser weapony. Then we figure out railgun tech to accelerate 120mm rounds fast enough that they seem like a beam of light. Canonically they cleanse Earth, them Mars, then the entire solar sytem, and then the milky way. Humanity keeps scaling up and is ready to become a galactic plague.
>>736583079I prefer games where you dont ever meet them, but it's obvious they were here and you were so insignificant you can barely deal with the reality of their past presence.
>>736583560>>736583738 < another example of what I was talking about. The Japanese really love scenes where people get killed by some kind of merciless monster that totally ignores their pleas.
>>736583753I guess the assault wasn't as intense I assumed. I was expecting something more like tyranids, just coming down and totally razing the surface before sucking everything up and moving on. Having that much room to breathe makes things at least possible, if not easy.
>>736583848>the Japanese All one hundred and twenty two million?!?
>>736583891Nah, BETA are a weaker Tyranid. The friction point is the fact that humanity is 1980s era when shit pops off. As soon as we recover some of their converted minerals (G Elements) humanity makes super weapons. It's one of those "every fight is an uphill battle for inches of space to breath" until you make a few key breakthroughs. Then you gain momentum and smash them. The VN itself only goes up to the pivotal moment. Humanity becoming the cleansing fire doesn't happen until after the end, in post release books and magazines.
>>736583891Ironically, it's the fact that the BETA don't recognize us as threats that saves us. Since they don't realize they're fighting a war, they don't use any strategy and rely purely on overwhelming force/zerg-rushing. They're so slow to take over earth because they're taking their time, only expanding when they run out of resources in one area. Before the final fight, they seem to slowly begin recognizing that we're alive and employing strategies, and the battle is a complete victory on their part. If they actually recognized us as enemies, they likely could have wiped us out within a couple months/years.
>>736584027To do a slight correction, even the Overseer refused to see us as living. The writing was just a bit weak for why they started to adapt.but still treat us like a natural disaster but having to make feints is a flaky concept but it was entertaining so I'd let it slide.
>>736582301He would. The hive brains would realize that getting all the beta to just rock the fuck out produces way more energy than whatever they've been doing.
>>736579987Ants evolved from grounded wasps so that's the grandmama of the ants there.
>>736583452Imagine a group of miners doing their job. They have pickaxes, muscles for using them, helmet lights. Then one day wolves attack them. Now they have to pay a guy with a shotgun to stand guard.The shotgun outclasses the pickaxes in every way, but it's a different tool for a different job, and they were obviously designed by the same sorts of people.Further, the guards draw a much higher salary (not to mention ammo costs) and they're utterly useless at mining. The company only employs them at their most profitable mines, or where they know for sure wolves are.Honestly, if push came to shove the company could simply burn down the entire forest to solve the wolf problem. They have the means, without a doubt.But that's a big solution just to deal with a pest, and it's costly, and you aren't in the wolf killing business, you're in the mining business
>>736584108>My sentence structureI'm sorry, that shit looks awful to read. In any case, super robos sweep, and beam weapons rule. BETA get out reeee.
>>736580882How does she do that?
>>736581840I'm sick of retards like you that hype up an enemy that is literally dead and buried in their own setting.
>>736584224Mastering the drill milky punch is a pathway to powers many would say are...unnatural
>>736584246Aren't the Bydo unbeaten in R-Type?
>>736583592>Why even expend resources on an occupied planet when you could just mine all the other planets up and avoid all resistance?They don't know that it's occupied, nor do they even know that carbon based life is a thing.It could just be that they think carbon is easier to mine on planets in a star's habitable zone? Not that they would know that they're habitable zones, but maybe they've sent the BETAs to other life bearing planets in the past and noted that there was an immediate surge of resources being sent back rather than the wait time that I assume would be necessary for normal mining.
All I can say is that the soviet tsf designs are sexy as hell
>>736584346I played Project Mikhael and the lack of Typhoons in it made me so sad. I really wanted to use those greatswords
>>736584304They were definitively wiped out in Final.Final 2 is a big collection of simulator missions.
>>736584152From the day forward, No ant will survive my wrath.
>>736584482Forgive me, all I personally play is Zeroranger and The Ray Trilogy
>>736584436>I played Project MikhaelIs it as shit as I've heard?
>>736584246If that was definitively true Final II wouldn't exist. The assumption is they'll eke out some kind of return.
>>736584436For me, it's between the Mig-21 Balalaika, which is blocky as fuck, and ak rugedness, and the Su-30, which has sleek edges. I will forever mourn the fact that Muv Luv is a great franchise stuck in the hands of idiots who refuse to do anything useful with it. The most I get to interact with this series outside of official content is the Hoi4 mod for it.
>>736583332The invasion started in 1973 and by the year 2000 when the story takes place there are at least 25 hives and the majority of Europe is completely overrun by BETA and so is most of Asia and possibly Africa. One hive landed in Canada and the US promptly nuked the fuck out of it so the US is safe from BETA but the north is fucked. Australia is also fine since no hives have landed there and the BETA haven't been able to cross the sea to it. No idea about south America.
>>736584641It's novel, had some inspired ideas but ultimately floundered and died off. Playing it while it was alive was fun, with the english speakers coordinating with japanese speakers to push back BETA waves, but the core loop was a dead end. It wasn't shit but it wasn't good. 4 or 5/10 game
>>736584715South America is safe and acts as a supply hub for the rest of the world, I think
>>736584690I was part of a group that tried to adapt AD EVA to a Muvluv setting, but we lacked sufficient motivation and focus. The strategy game we called "get Raped by the Beta" thats folded into Altered fable was really fun, if not ball bustingly hard.
>>736584108I really hated the confrontation with the overseer. Besides the narrative sin of letting an eldrich being effectively communicate, one of the long standing goals of communication was shut down by the author favorite girl. Naturally that was the 100% correct action and the only reason humanity wins at the end. Diplomacy is a trap, true peace can only be achieved by violence. It's such a shitty lesson.
>>736583848collective cultural trauma from being told they were on top of the world and divinely empowered to rule everyone else, then being reduced to cannibal rat people begging for the sky to stop raining fire on them.
>>736583738Is there a TV series finale more insane than this? I don't even remember how it got followed up on.
>>736584665Final 2 is all simulations. Humanity won. The Bydo are all dead.
>>736584871Yeah ultimately the overseer finale is narratively he weakest part overall. But with how the BETA were long set up as simple machines, even the Overseer, I think I'd be a little disappointing if it DID work.
>>736584909EoE
>>736584995That's a movie. And it wasn't even out of left field given the threat of Angels was the entire premise the show was built on.
>>736585039Episodes 25 and 26
>>736584952I'm feeling be with it not working. The problem is them being punished for communication. It's the king of shit only the most jingoistic and deranged militarist writer would come up with.
>>736585080It's been 14 years since I read it, would you mind recapping how they were punished? I don't want to rewatch the whole scene again.
>>736585078Rushed, not shocking, pretty lame without additional context.
Aren't they the aliens that don't even realize humans are alive? They always sounded dumb to me
>>736584894>being told they were on top of the world and divinely empowered to rule everyone else then being reduced to cannibal rat people
>>736585267If they were made by silicon based life in a section of the universe where its ONLY silicon based life, I can see how the science the creators develop wouldn't ever have them think to program carbon life as something to not murder/rape.to think otherwise would have them be their own version of basedfacing liberal cucks who are too progressive for their society.
>>736584871>Diplomacy is a trap, true peace can only be achieved by violenceThis is 100% true and when you grow up enough you'll realize it as well.
>>736578096The BETA aren't a civilization thought, they are a mining, extraction and factory tool made by an ancient race that is self propagating and ended up on our solar system. Its basically gray goo already, its obvious you didn't read muvluv
>>736584909There was a movie sequel to Blood C and it was shit compared to the series. Entirely unsatisfying payoff for what the show built up.
>>736573017Any games where i can play as parasitic mushrooms and infect the entire world like smith in the matrix?
>>736585419Yeah that's dumb because you identify life by seeing it not first doing a chemical analysis of its molecules
>>736585795I think humanity would do the same. It's not like we'd set a limit on silicon to watch for, it'd probably be free reign if all we're detecting is huge amounts of silicon resources.
>>736585080>It's the king of shit only the most jingoistic and deranged militaristPffftt did an actual human write this?
Could Space Marines defeat BETA?
>>736584715I was talking about initial hives sent down from space. All hives on earth are the product of the successful super-hive that land in Kashgar or wherever
>>736586041By themselves? Just Marines? Probably not, but considering how they handle Nid swarms they'd do pretty well before falling.
>>736585920>I think humanity would do the same.Literally no culture in human history has defined life as being made of carbon molecules. Carbon molecule structure as a concept didn't even exist in many ancient cultures that still had the concept of life. Dead bodies are also made of carbon making its role in identification of living or not living nonexistent.
>>736585920What do you mean humans would? The way humans define life already exists. Why are you talking about humans like we are hypothetical creatures? Unless a god damn alien is on my board
>>736586041They can easily destroy the hives from orbit but their drop-pods would get shot down if they try to land near the hive. Maybe terminators could do pretty well by just teleporting in.
>>736586376Don't worry about it bro
>>736579382Never played the games but I'm pretty sure the only reason Alternative gets hyped up is because it's such a ridiculous situation. The juxtaposition between cutesy highschool dating sim to post-apocalyptic edgefest is interesting and unique
>>736585130The author stated that if diplomacy succeeded and the beta recognized humanity as life, they would have gone war mode and only made things worse. Diplomacy was objectively a mistake.
>>736586041The correct question is, which BETA? In one of the planned spin off, there's beta who already created their own TSF, who knows what else they're capable off.
>>736585795>Yeah that's dumb because you identify life by seeing it not first doing a chemical analysis of its moleculesBut the beta aren't people, they're organic machines, its in their programming to acknowledge silicon life as living organisms, its not like their makes programmed it as "non-silicon life is not a living organism", is just that "silicon life is a living organism" is the only requisite to acknowledge as life.
The beta are bio-robots, not sentient aliens. You have to view their actions through through programming instead of free will.
>>736586376In my defense, with how tired I am, my brain is more fried that Sumika during the twizzlers
>>736586376>The way humans define life already existsYeah bro I bet human definition of life will stop a self propagating machine programmed to mine tin from "mining" tin based lifeform. Imagine it just sees a huge pile of tin moving on their own, it just thinks "I need to mine that".
>>736586609>its in their programming to acknowledge silicon life as living organismsDon't they reject s00mika as an anomoly anyway? Or not really care since it's not a member of their creators race
You guys played their latest gacha? Lots of goosebump moment in there.
>>736586528Lol in my mind I always compare it to the Seinfeld cast getting teleported into the Edge of Tomorrow universe
>>736586910which one is this?
>>736585267Pretty much. These things are like giant bacteria.
How much are they payed for this reasoning?
>>736586891Its never said that she's entirely made of silicon, just that unit 00 is a machine with ESP abilities to communicate with the BETA. She might have silicon parts, but her not being even alive maybe didn't trigger their recognition as silicon life.
>>736586910Isn't it doing pretty well?
>>736587385It's been nearly 15 years since I read it, but I recall Takeru having a direct conversation via s00mika during the final mission with the supervisor BETA which explains they don't recognise carbon as life, but Takeru asks why they don't recognise the 00 unit or computers in general.When I started my re-read with the official release I didn't get past the coup d'etat
>>736587329>We're not meant to harm life forms>If we're here, it means theres no life here>Our creators can't be wrongThe BETA are vibe coded apps b spacejeets
>>736584715>wtf mates?
I really wish "To a faraway dream" got made into an expanded standalone game. I really like that strategy game. Permadeath, leveling rookies into ace pilots, and finally getting higher level TSFs felt amazing. Plus using tanks and IFVs felt meaningful and useful.
>>736573017Reading this thread made me want to get into muvluv. Where do I start? I'm assuming Extra, but I'm not sure.
>>736587929Muv-Luv Alternative: Faraway Dawn was the name, my bad>>736587982Just start at extra, part 2 is built into it. Then Alternative is finale with higher production value and a new VN egnine. At least, thats if you read the original release. Steam version is new and redubbed.
>>736585534>its obvious you didn't read muvluvYeah, I've actually had sex
>Muv Luv Frodo threadNever gets old.>>736576584It's explained extensively that TSFs are weapons for assaulting hives. And they have to be enormous to carry all the weapons they have to. Helicopters just don't have the required mobility.
>>736574572What's stopping the laser aliens from just melting the mech too?
>>736588225Line of sight, mostly
someone spoil the ending im never gonna read it
>>736588010I can't imagine how big of a faggot someone would have to be to read a VN and use a shitty English dub.
>>736588273Which ending
>>736588282They redubbed the JAPANESE
>>736588273They kill big alien dildo and then everyone happy
>>736588315thanks
>muh lasersWhy not simply make the robots have a mirror finish?
>>736588273>>736583753
>>736588336Thats not how it ends, that's shit from additional material and artbooks
>>736588349It's good enough for a skipper
>>736573017No.THIS IS
what are some other Total Alien Death games? i love the humanity coming together against a hopeless and desperate struggle against a horde of evil bug-like aliens
>>736588423EDF is pretty good, with EDF 6 being the most story heavy sequel compared to 3-4
I'm so fucking sad that this series will die without getting any proper continuation.The Muv Luv translation kickstarter was the most successful kickstarter ever.Their latest one, for an entirely new strategy game, couldn't even get halfway funded. That's how much consumer trust they lost.
>>736588503There was a strategy game that didn't get funded? Was it like Faraway Dawn?
>>736586910The art style is soulless and I hate aNCHOR so no.
>>736588872Their latest kickstarter didn't reach the goal but they decided to go ahead and make the game anyway. They are coming on the heels of multiple failed projects and everyone is saying that, if this next game isn't successful, the series is going to be canned forever.Their only moderate success in recent years was the pornographic gacha game, which is almost entirely unrelated to Muv Luv and has an entirely original cast and setting.
>>736588453>with EDF 6 being the most story heavy sequelThat's NOT a good thing.
>>736589290The amount of slow walk levels is pretty bad, but the narrative beats when they aren't forced walking segments emotionally paid off exceptionally well.
>>736578243The civilization that made the BETA hasn't contacted them in thousands of years. They just continue their mining programming.
>>736589331Not really. It's just a poor excuse to reuse assets even more blatantly than normal.
>>736589471I think when you finally see The future you saved after the sarge speech fakeout it made it all worth it
>>736573502honestly it's pretty believable>the first time around they are just regular miner alien, china refuses to cooperate to hoard all the good stuff for themselves>after a while they adapt to human's tactic. Asia and Europe are fucked>in response of the second coming of hive in canada, America nukes canada to oblivion, ignoring all the casualties>During the mission to save the planet, America refuses to cooperate and basically "yeah why bother destroying the hive we just want G materials"
>>736588215
>>736589527Eh...
>>736589584We haven't had a mirrors question yet. I'm kind of sad. 30 strykers made an appearance but that was clear recognition of the meme>>736589651Well, it is subjective in the end. I acknowledge there was a crazy amount of reuse and some major stumbles with how many walk and talks there were but I totally felt it. I was super invested, even in saving NPCs during subsequent loops.
>>736589735I think by itself it's not that big of a deal but EDF as a whole has been on a downward trend that makes me more critical of every new flaw and skeptical for any sequels.
>>736589843Rangers improve, but Air Raiders get crippled. Fencers had their glitch made into a gameplay feature but were capped in mobility over all. Wing Divers got their backpacks and even stronger close range DPS but the rest of their kit is hot ass.I can see why you'd be pretty skeptical. I hope when we start the new plotline in next game, we just get improvements, better cave missions, and less enemy types that make you want to nailgun your sack to your seat.
>>736576584They don't get shot instantly by laser class the moment they fly 5m above horizon line.
>>736583753I approve this ending because of the railgun tech. Still not going to read it tho.
>>736588990isn't there also another VN sidestory as well as the tactics game?
>>736590094Not that I know. I'd rather they not make any more sidestories, just fucking finish TDA first.
>>736589997Dash cancelling was never a glitch. Hell, you can still do it in 5 and 6.
>>736590094No. All VN projects have been cancelled forever because "they can't compete in the marketplace", they only do gacha now
>>736590059That's fine. Just please don't start acting like you read it and enjoy the knowledge that the railgun tech starts raping BETA
>>736588453EDF! EDF!E! D! F!I'VE BEEN SHOT!AAAEEEUUUGHHH!*waits 20 minutes for Fencer to solo most of the level*
>>736590137>>736590160https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_tCyMPDNGMthis one is canceled?
>>736590247This is their roadmap. Tactics and everything past it is supposed to be a full-on videogame now because VNs are bad business.
>>736590247Never heard of that. Possibly?
>>736590151But boosts are now limited in number is what I mean
>>736573017The Beta has always been scarier because of their execution as an alien invasion story. You don't even see the Beta until the last part of the trilogy and when they do show up the MC goes full PTSD mode when a main character actually dies and is made to be as traumatizing as possible as the MC goes through severe mental trauma that stays with him for until the very end. Even when he forgot everything he still cries seeing her again.other alien invasion stories are more like a drama piece wallowing in the pity of mankind or just a more generic adrenaline based horror story.
>>736590297Integrate is the MLA sequel, yeah?Fuck this shit, man. At the pace this company works, I'm going to be 50 before I can play it.
>>736577512How long are each of the girls routes? It's not like Fate where each girls route is a drastically different story on top of being part of a space alien-war trilogy
DO WHAT I WANTDO WHAT I NEED
>>736584246Did they dismantle all the R-Fighters after Final, because the Cores and Bits are literally made of Bydo fragments. For the longest time, the Secret Ending C is actually taken as the Bydo's back-up plan: the one time traveling R just becomes the seed the Bydo need to regrow from in the future.
>>736590313To (poorly) counterbalance their massive boost in mobility.Fencer and Wing Diver are way too mobile for how strong they are.
I've given up on the idea of them making a new game (that isn't some sort of gachaslop) but I'm still hoping Schwarzesmarken gets translated one day
>>736590438I'm just a Ranger main man. I can't compete with a fully charged phalanx, or dual handcanons.
>>736590297Odd they have a trailer for Lost Arcadia but not restorative.
>>736590413Space of a few hours desu
>>736583592It is implied by the Beta came to Earth earlier then they would've scheduled by sending a probe to Mars, so they literally start hopping planets after that first contact at rapid speed. >>736584330They preserve civilized infrastructure and don't immediately go after all the local wildlife on Earth. The AI recognizes signs of civilization and life, this is the entire basis for the radical Alternative IV project making a fake silicon based lifeform.
>>736580616The entire VN was just an excuse for the writers fetish wasn't it?
>>736583848Because they like their monsters to be monsters. There's no nuance or humanization. The crazy creature that loves eating the entrails of the innocent is content to eat said entrails.There's a chilling line from some old Japanese horror movie that goes along the lines of "The gods have no concept of malice. Their wrath is all encompassing because it is their function."
>>736573017QRD?
Question: did humans ever try to clone or poison the Betas?
>>736588396>role: not a virgindo anime fags really?
>>736590798>send probe>probe gets eaten eaten by something>when a mission to the moon happened more of these things showed up>showed signs of something landing on Earth>China blocked it because they were doing what Chinese do best>containment breach fails spectacularly and now Ayys are everywhere eating everything, everywhere>all attempts at diplomacy failed>all attempts at subversion or extreme means of war crimes failed besides specific bombardment combinations>the local planet and moon keeps sending more from space but they get shot down from their intact space infrastructure>one slips through and lands in Canada>US nukes the fuck out of them>????>Japan barely manages to snag a win>stalemate where humanity is obviously losingI'll just skip the rest and spoil this.The BETA let the Japanese win.>Takeru is Here
>>736590368Anon, they're not making any of those games. Tactics is the only one they've been working on, they only made like 60% of the crowdfunding goal and there haven't been any updates in months. The company that owns the IP has given it to another company to make more gacha with entirely new characters and setting. You will never see the continuation of any of these stories. It's fucking dead.
>>736590798
Jinguuji-sensei was seen eating with another man.
>>736588225The mechs primarily move via short hops, not sustained flight. The Total Eclipse anime completely fucked this up and portrayed them flying all the time and I'd imagine the other two anime did the same thing.
>>736588990>Make all the new games all-ages to appeal to a wider audience>Censor re-releases of all the older games to appeal to a wider audience>Censor all of the English releases to appeal to a wider audience>Make one new adult game on the side>The adult game is the only one that's successful
>>736590798twizzlers from outer space mindfuck everyone including and especially your childhood friend's brain in a jar
>>736591189False.
The scene with all of the corpses piling up and one of the nameless soldiers accidentally shooting the other guy's mech when he got swarmed by the betas climbing on top of the corpse pile was more horrifying than any of the retarded deaths of the girls.
>>736578681Ok, you've convinced me.>@mikoyananThe author.
>>736579382I had a similar experience>know going in that Unlimited and Alternative are "the good shit">think I'll just power through as little of Extra as possible to get to Unlimited>realize I love Extra>get every ending in Extra>refuse to play Unlimited for like 6 months because I don't want bad things to happen to my precious girls
>>736591189I pity the fools who had the game spoiled for them. I went in completely blind and chomp had me in total shock just like Takeru.
>>736579382Extra is only boring if you never read much of that stuff already. Of course some people just don't like that kind of thing in general even if they never read that kind of thing before.
>>736587134Muvluv Girls Garden>>736587602Yes but I bet It's not doing well enough for their liking.By the way if you're interested in some of the plot twist in the game, spoiler below.In the beginning, we get the usual anime trope of MC with harem of cute girls where they all want MC's dick with some plot here and there, but later we find out that ALL the heroine that you roll in gacha are BETA agent. That's the reason they want your dick, they want your dna for BETA research purpose. The screenshot I posted before this is a scene where you need to fight your former teammates, the BETA activated their brainwashing and the girls cannot refuse. Basically all the heroines were humanbrain-ed ala sumika, they're connected to the beta network, hence the subtitle Girls Garden. Pic is your waifu in the middle of brainwashing
>>736584304They get decisively beaten every game, until the next game comes out and says "ACTUALLY...".
>>736573017*CHOMP* kekaaaaroooooo dead bitch storage for the dumb whore worst girl kek kek kek
>>736586910Worthless unless there's hentai, preferably body remodeling like in the OG kek
any of those side stories is worth reading? I have read the og trilogy
>>736592789Yes
>>736592162Twizzlers?
>>736588503It's was a damn hentai game. Get over it.
>>736592887i mean shit like schwardwqdwq, total eclipse and TDA
>>736588990>the pornographic game>which is almost entirely unrelated to Muv LuvActually that sounds like the most related to the original it could possibly be
>>736592974Also yes
>>736573017Is this the VN where one of the characters that's been around for a long time unexpectedly gets gored during a random non-action scene?
>>736593246Yes
>ctrl+f Bydo>>736580021 this guy gets it
>>736574572That sounds like a really shitty cop out by a lazy writer considering that you have at least 2 franchises where the cool bipedal robots also transform into jets.
>>736593246chomp
>>736577043What's the sci-fi equivalent of goblins? Is there a sci-fi equivalent to goblins?
>>736593790Many such cases!
>>736593850Space Goblins
>>736593850Sectoids from XCom.
I'll just keep cumming inside class rep, Captain Izumi, Munakata, Stella, Cui, etc.
I just can't stand all the Japanese military arrogant bravado. It's even worse than the Americans. I'm not SEA where I might have a legitimate reason to hate it. It's just so crass and self-important.
>>736594167That sounds like a lot of cum. Make sure to stay hydrated.
>>736573502Just 70 miles huh?
>>736594321I'm a breeder, not a soldierHumanity is going to win anyway, might as well breed a ton of girls before child support is reinstated
>>736579871Colonizing livable planets is way easier than trying to terraform shitty ones and more desirable than space colonies. Doing it for resources is retarded but doing it for land itself both justifies why they're invading and also why they're operating on a leash, so they can have grasslands to live in and not smoking craters.
>>736586041They could, but a lot depends on the chapter and resources available to them. If we're talking something like Raven Guard, with full Chapter Master support, field assets, psyker use for scouting and surgical strikes to take out BETA command and control structure, it would be over very quickly. If we're talking something like Imperial Fists, or Black Templars, they'd take grievous fucking casualties.
>>736573502
>>736592789Teito Moyu, Confessions, and Last Divers are all 10/10. Then there's TDA, which has a lot of slow-burn moments but excellent climaxes. Total Eclipse and Schwarzesmarken are more flawed but engaging reads. Only Spin-off I really disliked was Ressurection on PhotonMelodies, but even that had its moments.
>>736582975>Why'd she hate the Russians so much?She has a frontal cortex
The guys in my setting can solo betas.
>>736576843>I read extra, unlimited, and alternative in like two days straight.You read like a million words in 1-2 days? I know Muv Luv Alternative alone is almost 500,000 words.
>>736594974Resurrection only makes sense if you've read Gravity's Rainbow and understand that Silvio is Slothrop
>>736595075According to Steam it took me 50+ hours to read Muv-Luv and another 50 for Alternative so I find it a little unlikely anyone could read the whole thing in two days lolUnless by "reading" they mean tapping enter until they get to the end, I guess
The betas are only scary because of the weak setting they're in. The humans of muvluv are weaker than the humans of gundam, EDF, and even super mario
>>736578857It's not the 2010s anymore, you don't have to larp liking futa.
>>736574562>The BETA are pretty small time in the grand scheme of thingsNot really, no? The biggest twist in Muv Luv Alternative is that the BETA forces that Humanity has been at war with for decades are NOT soldiers, but rather mining forces and glorified construction workers; their biology and tech is simply so much more advanced that humanity's that humanity literally cannot compete. The only reason humanity hasn't been wiped out is because the BETA don't even see humanity as sentient threat.The ending is bleak as fuck when you realize that there are trillions of BETA spread across the galaxy, and humanity hasn't even fought ONE battle that forced the BETA to take them seriously as a sentient threat.Sure, the BETA may not be as strong as the Xelee, the Reapers, the Sublimed, or the Space Monsters in Gunbuster, but the BETA can still destroy most Sci-Fi settings with ease through sheer numbers alone + constantly adapting hivemind tactics.
>>736593850ferengi
>>736595206Not really.It is spoilers. The reactor is actually their AI core and the AI of the captured hive in Japan was spying on the humans trying to understand them. The last part of Alternative is the Beta transitioning from their passive mining andf comitting to warfare, humanity only has an extremely small window to stop the Beta or they are all chomped. The Beta were never just reacting to what humans were doing and once they send out one of their packages from their giant canon they were making beta across the galaxy would know what humans are and immediately make the entire situation truly unwinnable.
>>736595075>>736595174It probably means he was reading rather than listening. Absolutely degenerate behavior for a fully voiced VN.
>>736595481>It probably means he was reading rather than listening.I've been doing this for over a decade. I read over 300 words a minute when I really get into a story, so it's torture for me to wait for the voice actors to finish reading the script
why, my peanus weenus of course :)hahah! :Dit's my weeeeeenus peanus! :) hahahScariest enemies ever? - my answer is, of course, my peanus weenus :Dhahah!
>>736586757I honestly doubt that we would ever make any kind of completely self sustaining mining operation and not have a singular human overseeing the whole thing just because. How do they even ship the resources back?
>>736590297All the side-tickets have to succeed before getting to the main dish.Even if they end up being enough of a success, you'll never see it until the mid 2030's. Kouki's also getting older.>>736576515Apparently the BETA in Sol are retarded according to Kouki. There was some anon who watched his streams years back that noted him mentioning humanity would have been hyper-fucked if the BETA were functioning properly. Good luck finding that stream though.
Is there a good reason they spell it Luv and not Love? I assume Muv is some name that people fall in love with or make love to and they spelled love wrong
>>736595660I have no idea what this image is supposed to convey or what its referencing but it's 7 years old so whatever it was it's probably been completely forgotten by now
>>736595768
>>736595768Honestly I'm still not convinced a Muv isn't a mitten and glove hybrid combined into a muv
Who else thought the chomp scene is some weird dream Takeru is havingTakeru picking up body pieces and trying to shove it back is haunting af
>>736595952And all the king's horses and all the king's men can't put Marimo Jinguuji back together...
>>736573017Not really. I'd just invent a weapon that instantly atomizes any targets instantly with unlimited range that works against known and unknown threats and has perfect friend/foe discernment and fire it at all of the BETA and their creators at once, wiping them all out effortlessly without even encountering them.
>>736595321Goblins don't give a shit about accumulating wealth though. Just raping.
>>736596080How about you invent yourself a job lol
>>736577292>give her a big futa cock and jack it offI don't remember this part, although I did skip a lot of that scene. Maybe I would have enjoyed it more then
>>736596206Okay, where?
>>736596319They engorge her clitoris/nipples to the size of a penis in their training/testing of the human nervous system as a potential pacification method of the robots that impacting their mining operation
The sexiest
>>736596381That was pretty dumb even by eroge standards, like what did they even learn from that.
>>736596408Yui is the most baka
>>736578096>>736579871The BETA creators actually programmed the BETA ethically to scan planets for signs of life and AVOID them, and to only harvest uninhabited planets for resources.It just so happens that the BETA creators were silicon-based lifeforms who considered carbon too volatile for living beings to possibly be made of it. So BETA fundamentally could not see humans and terrestrial animals as living things and just interpreted them as a weird hazardous natural phenomenon. But work must continue.
>>736596953Nyeeh, we got quotas to meet, see?
>>736596559It's just a von neumon mining drones using machine learning to try to make their resource gathering more efficient.
At this point, some people have to be asking the same question over and over just to keep the thread bumped. I'm onto you and your Japanese tricks Fagiri
>>736592162It really went like that, huh? They actually took Muv Luv and made a spin off where the plot is The Matrix.
>>736596858
>>736573017Visual Novels aren't video games. They are Books. You niggas reading books.
>>736594219You do know they fight as part of the UN and they put down a coup by the Japanese military
>>736597542Well Project Mikhael is about viewing the timestream and potentially altering some actions in the Alternative timeline like some sort of time janny.
>Watch anime or read manga about some alien invasion or some other messed up shit where cute and sexy girls get killed most brutal and goriest way>"Man this is so messed up and sad, what the fuck">Later open Sadpanda or some other porn site and jack off to girls getting cumflated by aliens and tentacles in some alien hives until their bodies are all fat and bloated and explode or imagine their bodies exploding violently and gory way since a lot of them usually don't end up that way, so you just have to use your imaginationHuman mind is such a mystery to me.
>>736586910>theirI thought Girls Garden was a licensed game that had no involvement from aNCHOR?Does aNCHOR even exist anymore?I remember they tried becoming a third-party publisher last year, last I heard they were in the process of splitting (again?) so that they didn't lose IP rights from debt + tax fraud.
>>736598141Girl's Garden is indeed a licensed product. It's not even properly theirs to succeed.
>>736598061It's not sad if they are cumming their brains out while dying.
>>736598061For me it was Duke Nukem Forever. As shit that game was, i will always both hate and love it for giving me one of the most fucked up fetishes or so i at least think myself. Couldn't stop getting boner whenever i saw those girls with a glowing bloated belly and especially if you got too close to them, they would violently explode because of all the alien babies coming out of them. If you didn't wan't that to happen, you had to shoot them. I still sometimes install the game just for that one level even though it doesn't give the same kind feeling it did for the first time, got too used to hyper belly stuff, unrealistic ones are just so much hotter. Wish there were mods to make the girls bodies look bigger in the game but it is what it is.
>>736598501Also wall tits.
>>736598501>>736598548I still often wonder how the fuck did they get away with this on PC and consoles uncensored and with no major media attention backlash while games like RapeLay got all the attention and today a lot more tamer games get all attention like some VNs with incest or lolis? How the fuck did they do it?
>>736598696>boobs>boobs: japaninsert the 'jaks mentally
>>736598696Because people wanted to watch the trainwreck and in a way this can be considered a gallery of different FP:S flavors mashed into a single game.
>>736587329Oh no, they're retarded.
>>736598285First thing I did was look up the recommended list of visual novels to read and put them on every one of them on my never read list.
>>736598696Tits in America are fine as long as you're using them in something gory or actioney. Just look at 80s and 90s flicks.
>goreslopNah I'm good.
>>736599732Muv-Luv has, like, a handful of scenes across the three main games. In the course of like 100 hours, you're going to get like maybe three or four scenes where that happens.
>>736586041Probably not, but they can get help from someone who can.
When the fuck are they making a good muvluv vidya man.Tactics looks bad and clearly on a shoestring budget.I want an ace combat style game with long protracted battles so baaad
>>736599732There's like two gory CGs in Muv Luv Alternative, tops. And Muv Luv Extra and Unlimited don't have ANY gore or blood.
>>736579382abunai kagami no more
>>736596559It was disregarded as inefficient but that same hive that captured Slutmika did also result in the creation of the soldier strain.
>>736600581Any visual novel that ends up getting wojack or pepe memes belong the trash.
Surely you can create a disease that can infect them
>>736601006They already did that. Beta just cured it and now regularly update their immune system from the samples they've tried to collect since then.
>>736596379Majestic 12
>>736600934Muv-Luv was always trash, its only value is shock value. If you get spoiled the CHOMP, it's got nothing else going for it.
>make a big ass mirror>the laser Beta kill themselves
>15 on the Mohs scaleYeah you can tell that this was written by somebody who likes to trickle around random factoids to make stuff sound cooler
Sad that Total Eclipse doesn't have routes unlike the originalIf hope Schwarzsmarken makes it to Steam uncensored, with Lise gangrape stasi videos and all
>>736601438There was supposed to be a Yui route in TE and it's one of those things Kouki definitely totally wants to put out some day...Incestbros will win
>>736601409>Grappler is a snoyggerkek
>>736576843>I read extra, unlimited, and alternative in like two days straight.Fucking HOW? It took me like, 5 days to read all and that was in the middle of pandemic.
>>736601409>>736601659If I remember right, Grappler is the only strain that doesn't specifically kill a named character in the game.
I really wanna read Schwarzesmarken fuck guess I should go back on the JP reading grind.The anime was fun and interesting back in the day but clearly suffered from low budget and short length
>>736579382Extra was alright and funny. But how it goes from Extra to Unlimited is kino. Especially if you were not spoilered.
>>736580460Muvluv does have a problem that I think it's hard to explain which is that shit that is inherently unbelievable and retarded can never become believable and not retarded even if you write 100 paragraphs around it. Sometimes the reader's brain will just say "no, this IS stupid" even if it's "logical" in the story.See: That shit about no sex, that shit about how powerful the beta is, the whole thing where Takeru went back and the universe is built in such a way that that meant it would kill and maim the people he cared about if he didn't go do the "Hero's Journey Step 3: Answer the Call", maybe there's more.
>>736602874>That shit about no sexYou can have sex, you just chose the wrong options.
>>736602874It feels like a lot of you read the VN with your arses
>>736603030The VN seems like it was written with the author's arse so it only seems fitting.
>>736601630Kouki isn't putting anything out ever again lmaoaNCHOR was completely shut down by avex back in December
>>736602874Most storie will get you to accept something tragic or dramatic that doesn't make the most sense using vibes like sad music but thsi game uses logic but logic built on fantastical concepts is completely fucking worthless. Like yes sure the flabby gabby conundrum means all the reasonable options that would've avoided this drama are not an option silly me.
>>736602874>Takeru went back and the universe is built in such a way that that meant it would kill and maim the people he caredExcept this makes perfect sense in the context of the plot. The whole setting is built around Takeru's ability to subconsciously hop across the multiverse. It is the dozens of failed iterations in Unlimited that give him the knowledge needed to thrive in Alternative. It is the Takeru's experiences in Extra that make him attached to the Unlimited/Alternative counterparts of his friends.It is Takeru's capability to swap back and forth between the Extra and Alternative verse that allows him to combine the knowledge of two Kouzuki Yuuko, thus allowing the Alternative Project to succeed. Furthermore, the Universe isn't signaling Takeru out. It isn't targeting his loved ones to be cruel. What the universe is instead doing is using him as a metaphysical template to transfer events that occurred in one universe to the one he's currently in. Takeru's loved ones start dropping like flies because he's fled his apocalyptic verse to enter his normal, slice of life verse. But the cruel irony is that he no longer BELONGS in that verse because he's carrying the consequences of the apocalyptic world to his normal world.It's a tragedy that drives home WHY Takeru can't run away from his problems and why Takeru has to embrace his new live in the Alternative verse, for better or worse.
>>736603258Hey sorry you posted this just a bit late but >>736603194 already blasted your ass out. Yes I know the "reasoning", you didn't need to explain it to me, but that doesn't mean I'm going to accept that it isn't built that way to be convoluted in a specific (and transparent) way to drive the drama forward in the direction the game wants to.I know you're gonna say that all games do this but in Muvluv's case it's so transparent that the rules are written to facilitate the plot and they will bend over backwards with paragraphs over paragraphs to make it make sense. It feels artificial which makes it feel convoluted which makes it feel meaningless.
Love and impregnate russians with silver/white hair.
>>736601659Grappler is the only one that makes you realize that the position of its head may not be its real head. The rest are more straightforward in design.>>736603364You read like the type who would demand you get a wizard flying a unicorn in a game of Mechwarrior just because mechs exist.
>>736602874A lot of the exposition in Muvluv is just the main writer answering his own "But what if X" questions and coming up with incredibly specific answers that make sense in the context of that one question but create more questions, who he then has to answers and continue on until he gets out of steam. It's not very whollistic.
>>736603143...as unofficial fanfiction, of course.
>>736603405sex with commie women is what being American is all about
>>736603619I'm sure Muvluv would make a wizard flying a unicorn but then go on a 40 minute text exposition dump talking about how there's only one and it can only be used in this one and one case and can never be called upon before this and discussed after except in the main character's thoughts and you'd slurp that shit up because they explained it so it makes sense.Just accept that things having a "logical" explanation is not the be-all and end-all for good story telling.
>>736603619You read like a pseud that gets angry when people don't like shiny robots.
>>736603258>the Universe isn't signaling Takeru outBut Kouki sure fucking is. To get the point across to the reader (obviously), but pretending that this is a purely logical and obvious turn of events that anyone would understand without the post hoc Yuuko car ride is you being dishonest.
>>736602874My dude somehow failed to grasp the basic plot of Final Destination
>>736582898Based>>736573502Cringe>>736573017Bait OPmuv luv is awesome
>>736603760Imagine LoTR and the eagles but instead of making Sauron all-seeing and all powerful and make it quite clear how bad of an idea it would be to barge right in they went and said "he can one shot any flying being that enters into his realm with hyper evil lightning" and then did that for everything that wasn't what Frodo and Sam did in the movie. That's what MV writing is.It doesn't follow a lot of principles about writing (like how a rule needs to have precedent and facts that lead to it up shown and proven to the viewer before it is explained) but instead uses realism for its pacing. Takeru and the viewer learn about shit when they need to know about them, which is usually after they happen. Which makes them feel more bullshit, as those "rules" are there specifically to make sure rules don't feel like bullshit, because their role in a story is to twist the characters' hands most of the time and it's hard to get the audience to buy into shit they don't like.>>736604831It is but it's stupid, trying to do realistic SF combat is too big a task for any man, magnitudes more so when you're trying to justify fucking mechs
>>736603885Is this dykeslop?
I wanna experience all of MaburabuDo I just play in order of Extra, Unlimited, and Alternative and then watch all the anime afterwards?
>>736604997I got all my Muv Luv knowledge by just reading the manga version.
>>736604990mindbroken
>>736604997start with Kimi ga Nozomu Eien, then read the main Muv-Luv VNs in order, then read the side stories
>>736604902I don't really care about stupidity so I won't argue against your point. I'm glad you think it's awesome too.
>>736604997Second anon is probably most correct but I just did meiya and sumika routes in extra then unlimited and alternative and called it a day
>>736605174I really wish i started with Kiminozo, only watched the anime, but the girls are great even just in MLA.I was surprised it got an uncensor patch
>>736595909kek
TAKERU TAKERU
>>736605093I guess that's a yes
what IS a muv?
>>736586041By their own as in one chapter? Hell no. Might be different if we are talking around 2-3 chapter with imperial and navy guard support. The beta are basically the great crusade era level xeno. It won't be an easy task for the marines, they are just smarter nids.
>>736573017>Eroge VnSo did this "game" feature an alien rape? No I'm not taking about that gore pic you guys like to spam.
>>736573017>copy pasted the exact same dude and flipped it twiceAnd people say anime is good
>>736603885
>>736607971It wasn't rape bc she loved it in the end.
>>736603998You aren't supposed to understand it before Yuuko explains it, why would you? It's inherently fantastical logic with a concept that isn't intuitive to anyone. If it was, then Takeru and Yuuko would've known not to even attempt it in the first place.
>>736604997You play the VNs in that order and don't watch the anime at all.
>>736604997>Kiminozo>Extra>Unlimited>Alternative>Photonflowers>Photonmelodies>Total Eclipse>Teito Moyu>Unlimited: The Day AfterI will offer no other advice
>>736573017any muvluv news?
>>736573502isnt that literally how warfare is developing right now?>enemy is spamming drones>develop giant lasers to shoot them down
>>736609121Kiminozo uncensored patch came outhttps://kiminozo.life/
>>736588225Laser aliens are are programmed not to do friendly fire. They have to hide far in the back becaue otherwise they're super squishy and can be killed by coventional weaponry. So their line of sight gets blocked by their own hordes.
>>736576584helicopters fly too high and would get shot down by laser alies. TSF are like tanks that have swords so they can fight in melee
>>736586041they cant even beat the tyranid
>>736609146Yes. We are making kids with bug eyes learn to shoot lasers.
>>736609121>>736609170Kiminozo is a terrible game with a terrible plot. It's better to pretend it's not related to Muv Luv at all.
>>736609435Just shut the fuck up
>>736594219It's kind of fun.
>>736609764America ya...
>>736594219Gotta say that it's just hilarious, especially considering Europe fell.The nippon banzai spirit was the worst part of the VN I agree.
>>736594974>Only Spin-off I really disliked was Ressurection on PhotonMelodies, but even that had its moments.I really didn't like that one. I don't even think it can be fit in the main timeline with the Misae Munakata relationship.
https://youtu.be/3u2jQdAXrSY
>>736601409>They never, ever hit alliesSo just capture smaller beta and tie them to your vehicles as armorProblem solved
>TDA comes out at regular place and is well received>Kouki hijacks it for the last episode>becomes vaporwarebweeehh
>>736584909It was followed up with a movie in which Saya regains her memories and goes after Fumito in Tokyo, but because her true self is so much more competent at saving people the movie is significantly less gory which also makes it feel like there are no stakes whatsoever, Saya can take anything Fumito throws her way and still save 99% of the idiots standing around, I mean, she looks cool doing it and all but I preferred it when saving even a single person was a massive struggle for her, it felt more visceral.
>>736610514you still have to fight literally millions of grapplers without air support
>>736610550>becomes vaporwareIt was already vaporware, anon. TDA03 came out in 2013.
There is no future for this series. Also, Beatrix is SEX!!!
>>736609807You're words won't trick a TRUE AMERICAN.
>>736605610It's a no, retard. Takeru is a guy.
>>736610794Wrong, you can now have air support because your planes have soldier BETA duct taped to them making them immune to laser fire
>>736611802hire this man
>>736611132how can they be no future for a series about girls in seethrough outfits piloting giant robots fighting against aliens??
>>736612276Because they take forever to produce anything.
>>736612276the suits aren't seethrough anymore and everything they've released since Total Eclipse has flopped
>>736612276Because the company that bought them doesn't want to make visual novels, they want to make gacha and strategy games and that's just not working out
>>736595768MuvLuv just looks cooler than MoveLove I suppose
>>736608501>You aren't supposed to understand itAll the "logical" reasons that make the story be made in the way it is are also all the buttons you should never push if you want a reader to be invested in a story. If you had no reaction to that scene maybe you wouldn't have a problem with it.It basically explains the rules in the worst possible way story-wise. After they are used to do something extremely unpleasant and illogical, in a way that only sort of makes sense and can't be argued with, told directly to the character/reader in a straight and long exposition dump. The reson it "shouldn't" do this is because it's very likely to make the stakes feel ephemeral if shit can just happen and a vaguely real explanation can come later and justify it.There's a reason most stories are more concerned with being good stories than being a completely verisimilitudic series of events.
>post apocalyptic scenario>America still trying to nuke everyone else
>>736586606That sounds stupid as hell. Why would beta need TSF? TSF are a solution to a problem the beta posed with lasers. How is an organic TSF the solution to a TSF?
>>736573017>Hold my Force.
>>736613660rule of cool is always a reason
>>736611802>laser hits you in the 5% part of your plane that's not coveredWhat now?
>>736614229This is fucking rad actually
>>736573017Is this the one where the main love interest gets raped by tentacles that penetrate her nipples and give her a big tranny clit?
Alright powerscale niggers, BETA vs Flood vs ‘Nids vs Zerg, who wins in the evolutionary biomass race and absorbs the others?
