How to remove minmaxing from video games?
>>736573485Impossible, humans are instinctual problem solvers. They will always instinctively try to use the optimal solution to every problem even if it is to their own detriment. There's the old quote "Given the chance, players will optimize the fun out of the game" The only way to handle minmaxing is to make sure that the most optimal way to play is also the most fun way to play. For one player games it's fine if it's just the most intuitive or obvious optimal way is the most fun, but in PvP games they have to actually figure out the objective absolute optimal way to play and make sure that's fun
you can't digest 100% of the right
>>736573689nah, i'd be able to
>>736573678nu-uh!
>>736573689I could
>>736573689No, you can't, because you're weak.
>>736573689Not with that attitude.
>>736573485Don't add stats to your game?
>>736573485Why is it called a demon core when there are no demons in it?
>>736573689I CAN DIGEST 100% OF THE RIGHTAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH
>>736573689Low test
>>736573689prove it
>>736573689Neither on the left
>>736573485A few nuggets and a beer is really 1200 cal?
>>736573990Demons made it.
>>736573689I eat two of them for breakfast
>>736574059no, alcohol has no calories, that's why it's flammable
>>736573485Jawbreakers give you unlimited calories
>>736573990the name got coined by the obnoxious /mu/ fag responsible for all post 2000 music genres
>>736573689That's a fairly small amount of calories for an average-sized person, I'd say?
>>736573689Casual.
>>736573485Can you eat the right with a fork or is a screwdriver required?
>>736574160>that's a fairly normal amount of dead gooks for an average american adult wouldn't you agree?
>>736574131Kanker and nazz faggots are mentally ill. Sarah can throat meat.
>>736574131what do jawbreakers taste like
>>736573485Why is it okay to tell people to quit fried stuff for a while, but you're treated like a terrorist if you tell someone to lay down the beer for a week.Is it the "nah brother just a brewski everybody loves a cold brewski dont you love a beer dude I have a joke: and the punchline is LE BEER" npc culture?
>>736573689You have to melt it down and buttchug it.
>>736574427Fried food is a treat.Alcohol is a crutch.
1500 calories in a pint of beer and 10 chicken nuggets doesn’t sound right
>>736574406Tarty with a little soul
>>736573485roguelike, stat randomization, meta build shuffling, really the only ways in my opinion. every week shuffle around which abilities are overpowered, "nerf" and "buff" different classes or abilities at random on a weekly or daily basis rather than to actually balance anything
>>736573689>he doesn't telepathically ingest calories from his demon core
>>736574534This. It would be more like 600-1000 kcal and couldn't possibly be more than 1200 kcal.
>>736573689>How could you give your brother the spicy lard rod, Dominic?
>>736574534>>736574784Bro, your sauce jug?
>>736573485Any science anons here?What would happen if you were to theoretically eat something that small with that many calories?
>>736573485>Single playerDon't, that's where all the fun is.>MultiplayerUnderstand every optimal build in your game before making it, and design them to directly counter each other like rock paper scissors; minmaxers who play the game will realize their autism builds are being hard countered by other autism builds, and will eventually settle for suboptimal hybrid builds that rely on real skill.
>>736575180it would be incredibly normal for the average american
>>736575180You become the strongest man alive.
>>736574784Consider american corporations enabling addictives and fatteners at several steps of the processing chain, expect hose nuggies to contains non negligible amounts of corn syrup and the beer laced with god knows what stimulant
>>736575180You get isekaid to a black guetto in some godforsaken marvel spinoff and start quipping
>>736573990put the lid on the core to find out
>>736573689What if I take just one lick?
>>736573689>she nevrer seened the average american
>>736574406Broken jaws
>>736573689My stomach can tank it.
>>736574059No, but normalfags naturally default to eating a healthy amount of calories a day, so they have no idea what the numbers are.
>>736573689Ordered 2 demon cores by accident but I ate both because I didn't want to be the guy who can't eat 2 demon cores
>>7365734851000kcal post
>>736573485is that the new jawbreaker?
>>736573689It's 124 trillion calories, I would only need to digest a tiny fraction to never have to eat again for the rest of my life.
why would you samefag this much in your own pathetic fucking thread
>>736573689I can't digest 100% of the corn I eat, so what?
>>736575180The word calorie in regard to food means "bioavailable nutrients." All nutrients are different, and it's really hard to say "get x grams of this, and y grams of this, and z grams of this etc." so we came up with the calorie system. If you burn food you can tell how much heat energy it produces and that heat energy is relatively consistent across different nutrients, so we just use calorie as a shorthand for nutrients. If you were to eat a 2M calorie piece of metal, you'd get 0 nutrients, so it'd be zero bioavailable calories. Now, if there was a magic food that had 2M bioavailable calories in it and you ate it, you'd gain about a 1/3rd of a pound and poop out the rest. You see it takes time to convert and store excess nutrients as fat, and your body can really only process about 1200-1500 extra calories a day, max. Anything past that and it doesn't even get absorbed and you just poop it out. You can even test this. Go eat at a 3500 daily calorie surplus for two weeks. On paper you should gain 14lbs, but in practice you'll gain like 4-5.
>>736574156Lel
>>736573485Remove most choices and ramp up luck factors.
>>736574406Ask ur'e mum
>>736574406Sweet toothpaste.
>>736573485>How to remove minmaxing from video games?But then how would I PWN THE NOOBS!!!1!!!???
Its literally all about making the players feel like their time is not wasted. PvP niggers minmax because losing = time wasted, MMO PvE retards minmax because clearing content requires too much time and effort and wiping = time wastedCoop games like vermintide and DRG solved the minmax issue. Short matches, drop in drop out multiplayer, no pre game player vetting, focus on individual player responsibility, dying not too punishing and probably the most important one is no way to measure individual player effectiveness. All this facilitates build freedom. Basically the harder you make it for sweats to bully noobs the more diversity you get
>>736576156>Licking ballsge.
>>736574059Its not dense, fast food is so light you could easily eat even triple that. Youre not digesting all 1200 of those calories, you wouldnt WANT to eat triple that in one setting but you easily could
>>736577234this will be useful for my vore fetish stories
You cannot remove min-maxing unless you deliberately create a symmetrical system where point distribution does not matter when it comes to stat growth. There's another word for min-maxing, and it's called optimization. You're basically asking on how to prevent players from optimizing a table of stats presented to them given there are limited resources to increase the stats. Min-maxing was never as frowned upon (it was even standard for most grognard games) as something like powergaming, and definitely not as much as munchkining.
theres no goddamn some fucking nuggers and a beer is 1500 calories
>>736577672>dropping the skill ceiling is the solution to min-maxingWelcome to casualization: the post.
>>736575180It would be extremely painful
>>736573990They only come out when you close it.
>>736577873unironically yes. Difficulty and player freedom are both on a scale. You need a fine balance to not have one outweigh the other. Im generalizing of course. Some individuals do welcome the added challenge of playing unoptimized but unfortunately the vast majority of normalcattle npcs just want a free win
>>736573485role-playingThere are games like RollerCoaster Tycoon where it doesn't make sense to focus on min-maxing because the game is simply too easy (especially if you use marketing). It's more interesting and challenging to try to create a park that actually feels enjoyable for guests from a "role-playing" perspective than to play the game efficiently.
>>736573678This is such a modern, zoomer, environmentally autistic mindset, you people literally can't conceive of a time when people knew how to play, it's really fascinating. It's like an entire generation are made up of the kids who used to smash their action figures together.
>>736577878>>736577878>>736577878>>736577878
>>736573927Neither with your argument
>>736573997Low iq
>>736573689just needs some hot sauce
>>736577672see>>736573678You are a literal retard.
>>736576156Ask Slotin
>>736573689mans gotta eat
>>736573485Make the game a bland sludge where there is no distinction between choices and optimisation is impossible.
>>736573485Randomize shit
>>736573485You can't
>>736573485one on the left is nowhere near 1000 calories. literally a meal for ants
>>736578851It's reality, as much as that seems to irritate you. And yes, it's modern, because we are also living in a modern reality and not your imaginary one.
>>736573485Remove the adults who play games
>>736575295>consider this thing I made up to be outraged by
>>736573689How do you KNOW you can't digest it if you haven't even tried it?
