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>>736578258I’m lazy and just prefer the passive benefits of the powerjack. In regards to modern TF2 I’ve only ever seen one really cracked pyro make good use of the axtinguisher and he was still kinda just memeing.
if its objectively better then its not a sidegrade
>>736578258sex with fat-assed fempybros
>>736578353>fem
Fuck Gabe
>>736578387i love boobs as well as butts
They shouldn't have ruined it
>>736578258Overnerfed.God forbid close range class be an actual threat at close range. It should be given that full 195 crit back.
>>736578387Femme-appearing but unknown what's under the suit?
sketchek did nothing wrong
>Have a weapon signed by sketchek>He lies about having cancer so valve removed the reference to him on the axetinguisherIts a surreal feeling but ok
>willingly using any melee weapon that can't get random critsWhat's the point when regular melee weapons crit every other swing anyway?
>sniper, the dedicated long range specialist gets to a+b combo kill with a melee weapon>pyro, the dedicated close range specialist isn't allowed to have the same thingI will literally never forgive valve for what they did to the axetinguisher. Y'all kids playing these days probably don't even know the glory of the OG axetinguisher
>>736578258>discussNah, I'll pass, you have fun tho.
>>736579252Don't forget:>sniper, the dedicated long range specialist gets an item to specifically fuck pyro, the dedicated close range specialistIf I run into a sniper with degreaser + flaregun + axetinguisher my best option is to whack him down with non crit axetinguisher swings, while he has the massive benefit of random crits ontop of that. This is such a fucking balancing disaster it's hard to put into words
>>736578258This item is the reason Pyro has degraded into dumb "combo" gameplay in a attempt to save the class.
I never use melee weapons in this game so I just equip the homewrecker for the rare occasions I see spies sapping shit
>>736580015>not using the powerjack
i just equip whatever i got last.
>>736580015this >>736580052but +1 for being a mindful pybro
>>736580052>>736580164I had the powerjack equipped for a while but I genuinely never used it once because I forgot it was thereI need specific visual stimulus to tell me to switch to my melee, I'm like a monkey
The axe was macrod to death as a mid ass dogshit 1 shot on most everything and was boring. It deserves everything it had same with the sandman guillotine basically being just a macro.
>>736580210fair, in my case i'm so used to it (and the GRU) i always switch to melee by muscle memory when the doors open
Reserve Shooter was the real cucked nerf. Pyro can basically never use it except on other Pyros using the jetpack.
>Volcano fragment never got buffed a single time despite having potential to have synergy and looks cool
>>736580406Medieval itemEnjoy
>>736580426Yeah wow the afterburn weapon in a mode where everybody drops health kits on death and also backscratcher makes those same health kits better
>>736580321>class can throw people into the air>they give him a gun that incentivizes shooting people in the air>except by the way said class shoots people in the airit's so fucking retarded, they could've taken it away from him and the effect would be the same
>>736578258Sketchek's Bequest
>>736578258they might as well just have removed it from the game
>See people shilling the new TF2 mod>Look it up>Civilian>Green and Yellow>Scout Nailgun
>>736579605>>736579252I've been saying for a long time now that 90% of the game's issues would be solved if Sniper were just straight up deleted from the game.His mere existence forces every map to be a cramped corridorfest lest he become overpowered, and for the longest time the balance patches were a constant arms race of "character gains a means of countering Sniper" -> "Sniper is given a means of countering the counter because Sniper mains complained about it" -> repeat. Half of Sniper's unlocks are things dedicated to countering his counters, like Razorback, Jarate, and Danger Shield.Not to mention the game is fundamentally designed around close to mid range combat; that's why the whole damage falloff mechanic exists. Sniper is able to simply ignore a mechanic that defines the game's entire gameplay for every other character, and when Spy briefly had a revolver that could do the same, they nerfed it. He doesn't belong in the game, everyone knows it but chooses to pretend they don't because it's too late to change things now so we might as well accept it.
>>736578258It's ok but why use it when homewrecker or powerjack exist
>>736580581>>Scout Nailgunwhy?
>>736579605Why is sniper the only class that has a dedicated>fuck this class specifically itemtwice even? Why not give him a movement secondary
I am so glad I stopped playing before the nerf. I remember the robot rocket launcher being added in near the tail end of when I stopped playing and that thing was stupid as hell.
>>736580625Random scrapped beta item that became what is basically a meme, just like Civilian.
>>736580729Why stop at 2? Just give him airblast and a minisentry too
>>736580729Hardest class to come up with new weapon ideas for.
>>736580607As someone who was a ETF2L noob, so many bans were sniper players along with their medic friends that knew they cheat but did nothing about it. I just think thats very interesting because i guarantee you at least 1 sniper in 1 in 5 matches is absolutely using silent aim and getting away with it. Cant spectate in casual either so that only further muddies accusations.
>>736578353There was a video where one streamer "forgot" to remove his fempyro mod with a massive ass during the middle of some streamAnd my first though was, DO AMERICANS REALLY?
>>736581406It wasn't a fempyro mod.
>>736580607Razorback was the biggest item balance mistake in the game and it's not even close to me. Not even because it's always good, but just the fact the niggers had the audacity to fuck on the worst class in the game against the one thing he can be sometimes occasionally OK to take down
>>736580607>>736581658Razorback doesn't even do anything, just shoot him.
>>736579252>>736579605It's pretty obvious whoever was in charge of balancing the game loved to play sniper, as i spy main i used to rape snipers with the ambassador by counter sniping them from the other side of the map, i cant do that now.Same with sticky jumping demos oneshotting snipers with the caber
>>736581010When Valve did the VAC ban wave a few years back, I remember over a third of all UGC snipers got hit by it, including the guy I said over and over in platinum coms "I swear that nigger is toggling".It was a nice feeling being proven right and tells you that if you have that many caught in Highlander, you're going to have twice as many running around like boy molesting fruits in casual or community servers
Its actually funny how bad TF2 dev commentary is>Yeah as pyro your main job is to ambush someone, die, and hope the person you ambushed dies to afterburn>Scout can just ambush someone and kill them btw>Sniper is countered by rocket jumping Implying every Sniper on the playtesting team was dogshit at aiming
>>736581996>spoilermost likely the casethey didn't account for the fact the game's balancing would permanently freeze and people would be able to just autistically climb up the skill ceiling ad infinitum, making their design decisions around the "click head, win" class dynamics completely worthless
>>736580607>brieflyI thought you spy mains were supposed to be good at pretending to be someone else.Also, following your own logic, you are saying that the am*assador nerf was deserved and it never should have made it into the game in the first place.
>>736582546>following your own logicI'm starting to become worried at how often someone will say shit like "by your own logic" and then either say something that doesn't have any logical correlation or something that's not a problem. Maybe people can't actually think?
>>736578574Valve trying to make Demo into a dual-class with melee leanings ruined everything. If not for them trying to justify sword-demo's existence after the fact, they never would have had to ruin Pyro's 2-hit combo. Who else do they need to help? Heavy? He already had ample chance of turning Pyro into meat pulp.
>>736582217To be fair literally no dev ever considers the possibilty of "what if some autistic faggot spends the next 15 years and 15000 hours doing this?"
>>736580581I hate that it's still the one thing I've actually had the most fun with in years as far as TF2 is involved.
>>736580625Several ideas are remnants from TFC. In fact, all the ones anon listed are.>VIP class>3 and 4 team modes>said nailgunI actually like that TF Classified throws aside several considerations Valve's audio logs say they discarded. Some ideas are just fun and work.
>>736582759It's pointing out how retarded your logic is.In this case you are saying spy should not be allowed to have amby, despite implying that you like it. Or liked it when it was OP.
Combo pyro wasn't even that good... They just hate fun
>>736581767Most players cant even tell when a direct hit soldier is cheating anymore blatantly and its insane how bad its gotten after bots left. Nobody is allowed to accuse anybody of cheating i guess cause it might hurt their ego.
>>736583190>throws asideor rather, throws back in. Valve didn't always make the right call. I can say that with confidence.
>>736579605I use the scorch shot nearly 100% of the time as pyro, with the occasional gas blast to juggle, it drives people mental
funmaxxer reporting for duty
>>736580406All the extra ways to extinguish players make a fire-based melee weapon even dumber. Fire is the most circumvented damage condition, it's like every patch was a middle finger to Pyro. Even scout has a better DoT than that thanks to bleed.
>>736581996When tf2 was made majority of people were still using ball mice.They did not account for infinite growth of skill and peripherals.
>>736584705Plus you can stack cleaver and the bauble bleed, so it's way stronger than anything pyro can output at any distance. Fire should not be extinguished by medkits. Or even mediguns/dispensers healing.
>>736584512I've been using the beggars lately, its absurdly fun to just peek a corner sneeze someone to death and leave lolI just constantly run out of ammo and I don't know where all the ammo packs are on the ne maps
>>736581406Are you talking about pyrocynical? Because he's british
>>736584705Oh right, and ever since Jungle-Inferno (lol the irony of the name) flamethrower was gimped even more, not even doing maximum burn-time by default any longer. Now it's evaluating HOW LONG you are burning them before giving you the old full length burn period. Man, I'm glad I dropped the game since then.
>>736581406>Euros forever obsessedfind a personality faggot
>>736578258tf2 died once classes started having more than one alternate weapon set
>>736585489Why do you think hes european? Ironic no?
>>736583635Fucking this. >Oh wow this nigger hits crisp, clean locks at even the most whack-ass of angles and sudden surprises. >*Look at profile*>OH, AND he has a gallery of screenshots showing how great he is. I've played this fucking game so long it's not even worth arguing about knowing 80% of the shitties with Level 0 accounts will scream MAD CUZ LE BAD!
>>736585489hard not to be when you're fucking up the world every day
>>736581996>they had an entire bit dedicated to how much effort went into hydro and it was designed to be the map people wouldn't get bored of
>>736580581>Made by literal discord troons, furries and groomers eager to censor and ban peopleSorry, but I'll pass.
>>736585684Mogged by badwater.
>>736585684>50% of the entire game's map design effort>impossible to understand due to shit UI/UX>none of the sub-maps are even slightly good or funvalve are hacks and the only reason their games are tolerable is an autistic devotion to playtesting
>>736585720You will never pass faggot
>>736585684Well, to their credit I never got bored on Hydro, I was too confused for that
>>736578826i never even heard of this dude, was this another ebin pubstomping pyro main or was he at least capable of playing in UGC plat HL during his non faked death days?
>>736580321you bring it to style on people when you pop them in the air with a reflected projectile its a meme
>>736581685A smart sniper is going to be positioned right to where that's not always easy. And why should a spy have to shoot him when the spy has to put in a lot more engagement into the interaction in the first place?
>>736582546Scope with a 150 damage up vs a no scope 102 is kind of apples and oranges. The only real issue it ever had was dead ringer
>>736583635For me, it's the cheating FAN niggers that instantly double tap and then pretend to not understand when you call them out for it
>>736593192Spy could attack from anywhere, at any time, and the ONLY challenge he faced was lining up a second shot, or a bodyshot on a light class. I know. I did it myself.Yes, apples and oranges. Spy's job as an assassin was made significantly easier. Effortless, even. Sniper can only show up in areas he has access to on foot with his basic ass speed, without being intercepted by the other team. Meanwhile a spy has tools that allow him to get anywhere, including areas only accessible from enemy's side, for no skin off his back. Niggas whine about the sniper sightlines, the whole fucking map was one giant spy sightline.Like newfags don't even have any idea. Some spies used to go entire rounds without a single backstab kill, it was almost all headshots or post-headshot finishers. It was that bad. I've seen spies standing in the sniper spots on upward and some other maps, using dr to tank countersniping. And being more effective than actual snipers.Only a fool or a disingenuous snake would argue that it was fair. And whoa, would you look at that, that's exactly what spyfags are. Ambassador still has insane damage potential for a revolver, 2shotting anything less than a soldier on medium range, but ALL fucking spies are now going for trickstabs and cl_interp abuse instead. It's not a coincidence that most players unceremoniously dumped it when it stopped being a freekill machine.
>>736594209>Spy could attack from anywhere, at any time, and the ONLY challenge he faced was lining up a second shot, or a bodyshot on a light class.Isnt this still slower than a quickscope
>>736594316No. Ambassador has way higher firerate than sniper rifles, and as a hidden boost, it also recovers the perfect accuracy bonus faster than other revolvers. It was there since day one. Even if you wait for perfect aim again, you'd get a second amby shot out faster than a second sniper shot.
>>736594316Unless you're talking about time to kill on headshot, then yeah, sniper is "faster" because he's instant, but once again, a spy can kill you anywhere, in any unexpected location including right outside your own spawn. Which was already mentioned.And he doesn't even have to scope in to get that crit.
>>736594471>as a hidden boost, it also recovers the perfect accuracy bonus faster than other revolversNo it doesn't, it has a slower fire rate so you just feel it a bit different
>>736594683Test it out yourself right now, then come back here and admit you're a faggot.Or just look it up on the wiki, you nigger. It's all there.
>>736578258It sucks ass now, what else is there to say? It's still better than stock but the Powerjack and Back Scratcher are vastly superior. I'd even say the Neon Annihilator and Homewrecker are both more useful despite being incredibly niche weapons. I get getting rid of full crits on it, but it really does not need the 35% slower holster speed on top of that. Just remove that downside, it's supposed to be a combo weapon
>>736578258valve hates pyro.i want to have fun playing this shitass game and being combo pyro is obvious step up, but nooooooooooooooooooooo, valve had to nerf the reserve shooter and make axtinguisher basically useless because it's never one shots anymore. i hear a lot about this "effort-reward" thing from some E-CELEBS and i want to ask them, where is my reward? +20hp for extinguishing retarded teammates that run to health kit when i try to help them? damn right! because pyro is a support class like medic and exists only to help other. fuck you valve. i want to have fun. i want to play pyro and see furries and trannies spam curses at me in chat, not this unfunny shit when i do a kill and fucker is still alive this game sucks i hate it and hate the only dev who is also a fucking emporium agent fuck YOU specificallybring me my combo pyro back
Imagine complaining about a melee weapon being too OP in fucking TF2
>>736594843The reserve shooter nerf was completely justified though, that shit was AIDS to fight against especially with how old airblast worked, Pyros would just kill you in a split second. The Flare Gun is much more fair as a combo wep since it doesn't come so fucking fast and you can't spam it
>>736594998you saying this as if this game isn't filled with aids or isn't aids itself, but now it rises a question: why does pyro has a reserve shooter then? it doesn't works for him anymore, pyro just gets castrated gun without its gimmick. pyro has a backburner, primary with broken in bad sense of that word gimmick, valve can't fix shit.>>736594841personally? i don't mind lower speed, but putting down the fire really irks me
>>736594998It was literally designed as a soldier instant kill combo weapon and still functions for that exact purpose, and is in fact still more effective for that because its easier for soldier to launch people than pyro.
>>736595651We do not talk about nerfing soldier in this house. He's the holiest of classes and everything he does is perfectly balanced, it's the other classes that are wrong.
>>736578258Lots of fun in the ancient pre-nerf days
>>736579865Heck of a lot more fun than W+M1.
>>736595694Soldier has never been particularly good no matter how much /v/ seethes about him. A decent scout or heavy makes rocket jumping miserable. He can't shit out 12 explosives like demo. His mobility isn't free like scout. He doesn't have any stand out overpowered unlocks. Main reason he's so good in pubs is his versatility and he's the least reliant on medics of all the power classes.
>>736595613Putting out the fire is no big deal if you're gonna finish off the other player with it anyways, which is what is what the weapon wants you to do. Besides it's literally called the Axstinguisher, it just makes sense it would extinguish people.And yes, there are many other annoying weapons in the game, it does not mean nothing should be done about any of them. Reserve shooter pyro was one of the most egregious ones imo, you also had no reason to run stock shotgun on him back then
If you've tried the unnerfed axtinguisher in castaway servers you'll realize the nerf was not deserved. Actually getting in melee range without the detonator is pretty fucking hard against aware enemies. You eat a shitload of damage approaching. If you're taking detonator you're not getting flare crits or shotgun meatshots. Axtinguisher in its current state is worse than just holding down M1 with the flamethrower.
>>736582217Yes they did. Go watch the sniper commentary they predicted quickscoping would become overpowered but did NOTHING to prevent it.>The sniper rifle was another tricky design problem. To meet players' expectations, a sniper rifle has to be able to kill an opponent with a single shot to the head. On the flip side, we need to ensure it can't be snap fired from the hip with the same effect, because then, in the hands of an experienced player, it also becomes the game's most lethal short range weapon, negating the Sniper's primary weaknessThe obvious truth is valve have a sniper bias which. He has the most egregious unlocks in the game, has gotten the fewest nerfs of any class, and his counter spy is constantly kneecapped and neglected despite being objectively the weakest.
>>736596341Soldier can die from it therefore it needed to be nerfed.
>>736584512>shoots one rocket at feet>fails>rocket jumps awayNever understood this kind of Soldier
>>736596341Speaking of castaway god I wish we got release backburner back. It's so much fun.>Makes jetpack cruise missile pyro a lot better>Fat scout but actually good with shotgun>330 health if a medic is tanking you>Not OP because he can't airblast
>enter tf2 thread>retards complaining about sniper out of nowhere>they use cheaters as proof sniper is opevery single tf2 thread
>>736598808When a single player is stomping the server 99% of the time it's a sniper
>>736598808>>enter tf2 thread>>retards complaining about sniper out of nowhereI wonder why
>>736598995>play dustbowl>sniper isn't a problem but the only class that gets to have fun is demo>play upward>every class gets to have fun but if a good sniper joins either team the game is ruined
>>736599107>>play dustbowlOr maybe go fuck yourself?
>>736599143you have autism
>>736599159Tell me something I don't know
>>736587405I don't know too much aside from the fact he was basically considered the single most cracked pyro. Check some of his videos, he makes some absurd plays.
>>736595849I still have muscle memory. Can't help but do the combo with my Powerjack sometimes. Almost never get a clean kill that way but it's funny when it works.
Heavy update whenMvM update when
>>736599507>MvM update whenWhen Deadlock comes out>Heavy update whenWhen Gabe becomes /fit/
>>736581406GOOD MORNING SAAAR
>>736599507MvM update is gonna be cancer, I feel like.They're too lazy to change stuff, so it's gonna be some lazy ass fix for the pyro afterburn not working and a bunch of new missions on 3 new maps max. There will be more effort focused on a new ticket and the reward than the actual gamemode improvements.Also what the fuck is happening on potato.tf? I refuse to use dicksword so I won't find out on my own, why are all their servers dead for several days now?
>>736578258I stopped playing when it was nerfed
>>736599507And I'll just post my wishlist for it anyway, cuz why not.Current matchmaking needs to go. Allow players to create teams before even loading into a server, so that they can discuss stuff. It ain't gonna happen, but a man can dream.Looking up another guy's upgrades must come back. People make shit decisions all the time, like maxing out jump height or going all in on a gun without any resistances. Or maxing out shit like rocket specialist. A more experienced player should be able to guide clueless f2ps the natural way, because as is, nobody wants to play with them and lose because of their dumb choices.On that note, to prevent tacofags and the like from taking over servers and rageblocking missions, make it so game detects more than 5 reconnection attempts and then kicks them from that server for good. Ban them from entering any public games every time they pull their shit if it persists. Or better yet, block their rewards if there's a suspicion they've been naughty.Engi bots need some AI tweaks. Specifically they should NOT be phasing into their sentries anymore, and they should have to upgrade buildings to level 3 the usual way, not have it all insta-upgrade automatically to lvl 3. They already have infinite metal and do nothing but whack their shit, they shouldn't have that buff on top of it.Spy bots need to be more intelligent in their approach. Right now they try to teleport behind the player furthest back from the bomb, but that sometimes either doesn't work and they walk up right in front of the Heavy or get stuck forever trying to get into the spawn. They also tend to attack the Spy, while they should target Medics and Engies more directly. Administrator needs to also be fucking consistent in calling them out.Scout should instantly pick up money, not attract it towards him. Oftentimes it launches that shit outta the way.Spy should autocollect money from his own melee kills.YER needs to be unnerfed.Upgrade stations need to play the song.
>>736581406Where is the stream clip of this?
I'm almost 30 and I remember the old puff'n'sting pyro days. That shit was fun af I don't care about perfect balance I want my old pyro combos, old righteous bison, and old ambassador back. New pyro just doesn't hit the same.
>>736578258>REEEEE puff n sting noob
>>736601617UpgradesSandman mark should be cheaper. Maybe $250-$300.The "ghost" upgrades on Soda Popper/FaN/ScoRes should be made official. Rocket specialist should be a level one only upgrade. Blast radius needs to be a separate upgrade, and a cheaper one at that.The afterburn upgrades on flamers/flareguns either need to be removed or fixed and consolidated into a single, stronger upgrade.Explode on ignite for gas needs to be changed into a sapper effect, stunning small bots for like 7 seconds or so.Grenade launcher should have a +25% damage bonus instead of +20%. Nades are literally unusable compared to stickies because of it.Crit on kill needs to be an upgrade for all melee weapons, not just for Demoknight and Spy. Knockback rage should no longer reduce damage. If anything, it should increase damage done to tanks/buildings.Destroy projectiles should be a single level upgrade, maybe for $550-$600.Minigun/sentry firing speed needs to be fixed to actually work as intended.Metal regen needs to go, it's worthless. Disposable sentry as well, OR, it should be affected by other upgrades. Alternatively let Engies build up to 4 extra sentries for each purchase. Do SOMETHING with this shit.Canteen specialist should be rebalanced to be a single-level $500 upgrade, and it should NOT reduce canteen prices. Spamming cans is way too effective as is.2nd and 3rd level of explosive headshots should do 175 and 200 damage respectively.Armor penetration needs it's description fixed, since it does +100% damage, not +25%. And point out that the actual damage number on giant backstab is 188 damage.Sapper needs an actual upgrade tree. With separate duration, range, and recharge upgrades.Cloak needs an actual upgrade tree, with upgradable recharge speed. Potentially with some unique new upgrade for stock/C&D, cuz DR being the only dedicated MvM watch is boring.
>>736581406>There was a video where one streamer "forgot" to remove his fempyro mod with a massive ass during the middle of some streammeanwhile zesty
I miss all the broken weapons
>>736601703https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S1xInnZrcc
>>736601879>that old main menu>makes me feel kino chill of big update days like mann manor, medic update, etc. againI want to go back.
All the fucking balancing ruined this game. It was much better when everyone had some op bullshit because this is a CASUAL shooter you play for funny and ridiculous moments. Thats why random crits are in the game too
>>736578258I prefer getting ""random"" crit on a full head demoknigger with back scratcher and watch as he starts bitching and moaning in chat how I could just one tap him
>>736602248I remember some faggot complaining about random crits in fucking degrootkeep of all places
>>736599942There is barely anything to fix, all they have to do is release a new tour or two with new unlocks (especially australiums). Literally impossible to fuck up
>>736601617I thought rocket specialist was good
>>736602241Yeah, only ever facing reserve shooter pyros because it was by far the best pyro loadout was so funny and ridiculous
>>736603585It is good, on level one. Further levels are NOT worth the investment and are just a waste of cash.
>>736603768My 30 gear grinder tours ass has been maxing it like every soldier game lol. Oh well, mvm really isn't that hard anyways when everyone knows how to play their role
>>736603959It's more that the missions are already solved to hell and back. That's what makes it easy.
>>736594726Type it without crying next time
>>736605362Took you almost 6 hours to find out you were wrong and you don't even have the balls to admit it. This is why I said spyniggers that use ambassador are fools that never argue in good faith. I cherish every time I see a subhuman like you whining about the amby nerf. Please, keep whining until the day you gracelessly expire, you subhuman.
>>736603750just shoot him you shitter
>>736606167Wow, I would have never thought of that
>Almost 10 years of this bullshit systemEnough is enough
>>736609231but my stim badge
>>736579605The danger shield should have never been changed from the +25 max healthWhat the actual fuck were they thinking trying to preserve headshot immunity from the set bonus but without needing to use the sleeper?
>>736580321Just airblast soldiers and demos that have already jumped at you, airblast robs them of their air control but preserves the rocketjump state.
>>736578258TF was more fun when this thing did full crits, even when I played against pyros, instead of as one.
>>736578258>combo pyro burns me>he comes at me with the axtinguisher>killbinds to deny his pleasure of a combo
>>736595613>why does pyro has a reserve shooter then?Remnant from when faggots begged for pyro to be able to equip it despite it obviously not being a pyro weapon.It still does work, just not as easily anymore.Valve just didnt want to deal with the consequences of removing a weapon from a class when players will still have it equipped.
>>736578258Much like every fun weapon that doesn't belong to Soldier, Demo, and Medic, it was completely neutered so that the explosives-spamming shitlords and their tranny Medic """gfs""" wouldn't have to risk getting out-played. The same applies to the Sandman, the Ambassador, etc.TF2 has always been Soldier and Demo's game anyway. If you're not playing them, you're nothing more than fodder for their 50+ killstreak. It's why you often see people constantly vocalizing how they don't find TF2 fun in the slightest, and I really can't blame them for feeling that way.And before one of you faggots says>Well just play Pyro bro!Not everyone wants to be subjected to playing Pyro every match for the rest of their life.
>>736609749Should have made it a meme water backpack that gives you x2 swimming speed and x1.5 speed and melee swinging speed when wet
>>736610342Wetness should be applied to everyone in range of mad milk and jarate.Would make for a funny combo of neon annihilator critting a sniper for extinguishing himself.
>>736610260>Sandmanit's a cancer weapon that deserved being gutted, if you think the nerf was undeserved then you are a fucking retard and should stop posting.
>>736610513It deserved a nerf but they chose an unappealing one to go with.
>>736610513>t.sodliermain
>>736610513It never deserved the nerf. It got gutted because of dipshit Snipers that whined and cried that having to actually pay attention to their surroundings instead of tunnel-visioning the other Sniper was too hard and not fair.
>>736610646>muh soilders>>736610691>muh snoipersStun weapons are fucking retarded and should never exist
>>736610691You can play Overwatch anytime if you want stun mechanics in an FPS.
>>736610465I'm surprised this isn't already the case
>>736610513I love my ball
>>736610785>>736610813Pay attention to your surroundings and you won't get stunned. You fags make the same excuse when someone calls out how bullshit the Market Gardener is by going>Bro just look up and pay attentionto avoid being instantly killed, but when Scout players tell you to do the same, suddenly you shouldn't have to?Don't get me wrong, I don't play TF2 anymore since the game has long since stopped being fun, but I just want to understand the double-standards.
>>736610813Overwatch gutted many of their characters with their retarded update to 2 by removing their stuns
>>736610785i can tell this kid will pubstomp with his discord friends and tell them how he owned C H U D S on 4chan
>>736578387Yes>>736578662No
>ruin the game with MyM update>leaveWhy did Valve do it?
>>736610975See >>736595694
>>736611168Compfags kept bitching and whining that the game wasn't competitive enough. Valve bent the knee, nobody liked it (not even the compfags), and Valve couldn't be assed to roll it back or patch it into something fun.'Least it gave us PASS Time, one of the best modes in the game.
>>736583190BRING BACK THE GRENADES
>>736611221Yeah I'm aware. Soldierfags get everything handed to them on a silver platter, it's why these questions need to be posed since they often have no response or a poorly thought out response that boils down to>I-I-I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO TRY IN ORDER TO WIN!!!! JUST LET ME SPAM MY ROCKETS!!!and then they wonder why absolutely nobody respects them.
>>736599385>Check some of his videosoh is he done being a little primadonna now? last i knew of anything his channel was fully privated like 3+ times and left that way for extended periods whenever he's off his meds.he's the only channel i can think of when it comes to pyro gameplay, so whenever i looked and it's private again i just think fucking get over yourself man, i'm here for footage not your damaged ego. surprised nobody's archived any of it.
I used to think that Pyro sucked a lot, then I realized that he's not an attack class, he's support. And he's really helpful
>>736580581>Green and YellowI fucking hate this shit, there's no reason to add another team.
>>736610983>pub>discord>friendsI have none of those, now stop projecting you swine.
>>736611383Pybro playing support for his team's engies is a huge fucking boon.He's always been a great punishment for teams that over-extend too, though. Make those demos and soldiers wary about how strongly they're pushing into enemy territory.
>>736611489Retard.
>>736611489it's like the weird kid who nobody talks to because he smells funny adding 2 sets of checkers to your chessboard because he doesn't want to play alone but he also doesn't know how to play chess
>>736610465This, would make it a tactical choice for any sniper cunt trying to bushwhack people if he's also going to be subjected to minicrits.And milk is overpowered in general, but not many people use it. I guess it has a slow recharge for the average scout.
>>736611489>>736611813You've never played murderball and it shows.
>>736580607Don't have to delete him, just have the balls to let him be shitLike take away the headshot crit entirely
>>736611383>be pybro>realize I forgot my Homewrecker>enemy wave just cleared out, team is in good shape, nests are healthy>take 3 seconds to go to spawn and grab it>come back>all sentries are sapped, all engies are dead, half the team is dead, the other half is nowhere to been seen
>The class we made specifically for short-ranged ambushing has way too many weapons that are good at close-range! Let's nerf all of them into dirt so they are useless!!>Now that the close-ranged class sucks at close range, let's give him a secondary that can 2-shot anyone from across the map!!Great work Valve!
i decided to humor myself by reading glossary of player terms on wiki and it actually includes this bs made by that fag with quirky joke videos
>>736611168I was going to say the disproportionate retardation of fags with media production gave Valve shit data.But given you're saying MyM in that format, you're probably the type of retard that thinks that there's only 4 people playing and Valve needs to make TF2 "like it was" with forcing people to play in terrible youtuber servers.
>>736612368That nigger has singlehandedly made so many cosmetics unusable unless you want to be stereotyped by retards.
>>736612492yeah, about that. does anybody ACTUALLY does it? besides plebs who play tf2 like deltarune fans?
i quit regularly playing 12 years ago and still have muscle memory from that time>want to pick up dropped weapons for ammo>want to use degreaser+axetinguisher for the quick puff & slash>want to buff up my health as heavy by dropping my own sandwich and revjumping onto it>still think sandman can stun>why is he using short circuit?>want to (other 2014+ balance things i forget because i'm old)
>>736612726I've been called a degenerate tryhard a few times for wearing the backwards ballcap.this is despite me using a loadout of the baby face's blaster, crit a cola, and stock bat. truly a tryhard loadout.
>>736610513Getting hit by a sandman ball stunned you for a very short duration unless it was a moonshot/crit. More duration for more distance. In reality most hits only stunned you for about 1-2 seconds.The scout had absolutely no way of getting to you to do any real damage even with a moonshot, except for the newly(at the time) added cleaver. And they decided to make it crit for some reason.THAT combo had to be removed, but not the sandman's stun. It was fine for years, then fucking overbortion released and people started whining everywhere about muh stuns in videogames. That's the real reason sandman died.It's not only the fucked handling of that drama at the time, but the fact that sandman is STILL reducing max hp by 15 when equipped. Like who the fuck thinks a shitty slow effect is worth that 15 hp? It should be like a 15% damage vulnerability or maybe inability to double jump with it pulled out. Nobody uses it and nobody should ever use it, because this weapon is complete trash due to a crippling downside and no real upsides. Everyone who would use it uses wrap assassin instead, because at least the bauble has some damage potential, even if it shatters on thin air half the time.
>>736612375>But given you're saying MyM in that format, you're probably the type of retard that thinks that there's only 4 people playing and Valve needs to make TF2 "like it was" with forcing people to play in terrible youtuber servers.Boy you've either got a really active imagination or you're building one giant strawman.I was complaining about the shitty weapons nerf that made a bunch of them completely useless to this day.
>>736580581Medic AIDS status?
>>736612726If the question you're trying to ask is>do people in TF2 still quote youtuber bsAnd the answer is no.Closest I can think of was a month ago in a game where everyone decided to go engineer and some retard said we were being "Uncle Dane" and was immediately kicked.
>>736612848he's some schizo that thinks youtubers only want MyM removed so that people are FORCED to play on their community servers so these youtubers can have complete control or somethingeven though when quickplay was at its peak you had to OPT IN to searching for community servers
>>736578258Even at base it was way to strong with a decent air blast it was a death sentence without a lot of counter play. The Degreaser just pushed it into full degenerate mode. They did far overnerf it though. The minicrit that puts out the afterburn just leaves it feeling to whimpy. That stacks up with how hard they gutted the fast swap weapons accross all classess, but especially combo pyro, and you feel better off with stock if it comes down to melee.
>>736612848I'm not willing to give you the benefit of the doubt if you're going to pretend like that hasn't been the perpetual shit plaguing tf2 discussions online for years now.Especially since there's the update literally named after the it starting the trend of fucking with weapons for no good reason you didn't mention.
>>736613157>Even at base it was way to strong with a decent air blast it was a death sentence without a lot of counter play.flamethrower does like 125 damage in the time it takes for pyro to walk in melee range. reworked airblast is already a big enough nerf to make full crit axtinguisher perfectly fine. that being said if valve ever do decide to unnerf it I'd be fine with the backstab version again to reward flanking.
>>736578258Returning to TF2 after leaving during the age of when this weapon was actually not fucking dogshit was jarring, why the hell did they make it completely and utterly worthless?
Just respect the sightline lmao.
>>736613649Because Valve had a multi year lapse in judgement where they listened to retards who claimed the game is cheating because they lost.
>>736611723Pyro/Engie spam is a net negative on the game. It's absolutely braindead and uninteractive. Why does pyro need to be able to remove sappers when the pyro/spy matchup is already extremely one sided? Engie already tanks entire ubers with wrangler he doesn't need airblast on top of that neutering the last 2 classes that can deal with him.>b-but reflecting takes skill!No it doesn't the hitbox is big as a fucking bus and you're far enough away you can easily reflect on reaction.If you want to stall out the game you should have to put in some effort not build an NPC to do it for you and abuse airblast and wrangler to make it unkillable.
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>>736613649pyro is the designated high ping drooling retard class so combo pyro had to be gutted.
>>736613985why didn't he just respect the sight line though?
>>736614078>pyro>high pingyou retard, heavy is the high ping class>inb4 dimwit mentions spy
>>736601807He is completely right about constantly bitching over TF2's now raped artstyle in the same way someone is right when saying that the sky is blue but his point seems kind of silly when he plays with a mod that turns pyro into a woman and gives her gigantic fucking tits.
>>736581996>spoilerWasn't it notorious how Valve employs actual mouth breating caveman retards as playtesters?
>>736614205>when he plays with a mod that turns pyro into a woman and gives her gigantic fucking tits.He's so fucking right...
>>736614173>Ian Caughley: Co-creator of Team Fortress>Since we had lots of people during the LAN days, we had lots of play styles represented. We also listened to the feedback from players. For example, the Pyro was added after QuakeWorld came out to help out players with slow network connections.https://www.shacknews.com/article/103827/threading-the-needle-the-making-of-quake-team-fortress
>>736614173>heavy is the high ping classwutan active skill heavy mains need to have is opponent tracking, which is made much more difficult with high ping
>>736614348>quake
>>736614205He started playing in 2011 and thought the color green didn't belong in the game. Shut up retard.
>>736611378he's obviously a closet /v/irgin so it's not surprising he's mentally ill
>>736578258I see your valid point and raise. There was a series of nerfs that just ruined all the shit I fucked around with while leaving Sniper and Soldier stuff unmolested. Pushed me right out of the game.
Saturated colors don't belong in the game.
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>>736581406Im embarrassed that people took this obvious bait.
>>736613985What video is that from?
>>736614460>anon discovers TF2 is not the first game in the series
>>736614882no idea I got the webm from /v/.
>>736614882i think it's mönkey
>>736580581The devs went full blown nazi moderation and killed 2/3rds of the server browser
>>736599942Add some more maps and make an australium version for EVERY weapon, that's itI need my retarded bling combo of golden gunboats and mangler
>>736615926hopefully they won't mess up the drops so that there's a reason to play both the new tours and existing ones
Remember to votekick your local Pyrotard in MvM. Demo deletes uber Medics just as easily, while also deleting giants, while Sniper is just as capable of shredding tanks with Carbine Bushwacka. Pyro is fucking useless.
>>736578258Old degreaser + flare + axtinguisher was fine and all the complaining did not make any sense.t. pyro is on my top 3 least played classes
>>736616509All of official mvm is piss easy and can be solved by 1 competent player, except for expert missions which require 2.Im still upset that they nerfed the fuck out of 2 cities and gave every class the most busted buff of all just because casuals were having a hard time.
>>736616884>Waaah MvM isn't unbearably annoying doesn't Valve know they're literally STEALING thousands of dollars in austrailiums from me?Make a pop file or shut up bugman
>>736617086I have exclusively played custom mvm for well over a decade aside from a yearly wave 666 run during halloween.
>>736599942>he thinks the mvm update will come out
>>736617086They should honestly make a new, significantly harder, 6-ticket tour that has a vastly increased australium drop rate>b-but muh golden pixel marketThey already tanked the knife market in CS, might as well accelerate it in here as well
>>736578258>uhhh sandman is le problematic because it takes control away once every 50 minutes>let's make compression blast essentially free and combo it with an instakill, also it minicrits projectiles, and has a faster cooldown between shots than the rocket launcher LOLAnd it was because they were sucking off some Telltale devs at the time or whoever that loved pyro.
buff the detonator's splash range
>>736578258anyone find it odd how rare automatic hitscan guns are in TF2?Minigun takes time to rev up and slows you to a fucking crawl.Sentries are static.Which leaves only pistols and SMGs, both which have pitiful damage.
>>736614593What's YOUR excuse for not going right?
>>736619937because automatic hitscan weapons are pretty powerful in the grand scheme of things
>>736619937That's a deliberate design choice. Every shot should be it's own action instead of just spray and pray.
>>736619937Because they're inherently not as fun as burst fire weapons. That's why no one likes playing heavy.
took me a good year of playing TF2 before i realized that alot of the projectile guns are actually hitscan guns because i thought the bullet tracer animation were projectiles.So for a year i've been leading my target and missing all this time because it was actually a hitscan gun.
>>736619937>pistol>pitiful damageThe pistol is deceptively good, 15-22 damage per shot at medium range chew through health very quickly.It can't match the shotgun/scattergun raw power but it's a really strong tool to harass opponents.
>>736619681>buff pyro's strongest weaponno
>>736618859All stuns and movement impairing effects are fucking gay and shouldn't be in the game. Yes that includes airblast. Explosive and bullet knockback is fine because you can consistently surf those to your advantage.
>>736620410
>>736593270>Cheating FAN scout in 2fort sliding backwards in the sewers thats top scoring>Nobody gives a shit
>>736620476>>buff pyro's strongest weaponyes
>>736620696>entire gamemode dedicated to fucking around and ignoring the objective>retards join upward and badwater to troll or be friendlywhy do they do this
>>736578258Gutted and pointless.
>>736619681Buff pyro's ass.
>>736621149>the Gas Blast taunt now destroy the entire map
>>736578826i named my dead ringer after him
>>736578258>a scrapped attribute of the Axtinguisher was the ability to set everyone around you on fire if you hit a burning enemy
>>736583635I can tell within 3 reflects if a pyro is cheatingits especially obvious when its in close quarters where they will just refuse to M1, letting their cheats M2 the same frame the rocket is fired, often taunting immediately after I will hesitate for entire seconds before I fire in these cases, fake the animation by looking up a bit from time to time, yet they still first frame a reflect
>>736621149based, pyro needs at least 200hp of jiggly latex ass>>736621316VERY based
>>736621567would still be less cancer than the scorch shot
>>736578258>discussWell, first of all the wires don't seem to add much to its cutting power or ability to deal damage. They als seem to have been put on after the cut that let blood on the axe (but it was never cleaned?? why?). I think we should remove those. The handle is broken so that's obviously very flimsy, the gaffer tape holding the head to the handle doesn't seem very sturdy either, it's not centered at all. I mean just look at it, you'd swing that thing once and the head flies off to the left, towards your torso. Maybe the barbed wire is holding it? Let's hope.Fempyro on my face.
>>736622246tits or ass first
>>736601617MvM also needs to not have Scout be a required pick to get all the money.
>>736622870>valve buffing spynever going to happen
>>736619937If you ever played the release/console version of TF2 you would understand. The scout with a 12/200 ammo pistol was genuinely the strongest midrange class.
Real question is>Who's the bigger faggot? A Soldier main with Black Box, Conch, and Market Gardener, or a Sticky Spammer that couldn't hit a direct pipe if his life was on the line?
>>736623304black box isn't good anymore
>>736623304Black Box is gayer even though the sticky spammer is more effective
>>736623204scout has never had 200 backup ammo. that's always been the engineer pistol only.t. primeval warrior
>>736623393TF2 isn't a 1v1 game, Black Box shits on people easily, especially in Payload where most of the playerbase is, since they're all glued to the cart, where one crocket is all it's gonna take to wipe at least 5 people instantly.
>>736621820>Open their profile>1 year old or less steam acount, level 0 and like 100 hours playedI think the last few times ive reported profiles i did get acknowledgement that my report went through so i was shocked.
>>736623304Conchbox if he's got a medic up his ass and doesnt show his face unless they have uber.>he clicks multiple times to do damage that means he's a spammerThe amount of whining I see about sticky "spamming" even to this day is embarrassing. For fucks sake I had someone complain about me "stickyspamming" with the fucking Scottish Resistance, as scout, when half of my kills on him were with pipes, on a map with open flanks. This genius also complained that engineers shouldn't be playing defense on the defending team so he's more than a little retarded.
>>736623393Yes imbe-er, patriots! I am very 'tapped in' with the Soldier community these days and I heard they all love the Liberty Launcher! God bless the united states!
why don't people complain about phlog anymore?
>>736623668When you dont have a pocket medic up your ass or its a map with little to no flanks you dont notice they exist.When either or both of those things are true you notice it.
>>736623668>pyro spams scorch shot like a bitch for 2 minutes until he fills his mmph bar>barges in with crits, kills two players before being raped because no airblastPeople usually complain more about the scorch shit desu.
>>736623668Its only obnoxious when they have a medic and your team is feeding them charge.Actually using it as a flanker tool doesnt kick up complaints since pyro is typically impotent
>>736623304why would you not abuse conchbox if you're just holding flank the whole time
i shit talk people on neonheights trade servers
>>736623668phlog shouldn't uber during the activation and he shouldn't be able to be ubered while using it. aside from that it's fine. high risk high reward that really only shines if you're good with detonator.
>>736624371>phlog shouldn't uber during the activationyes it should retard
>>736624431>Sandvich, Bonk!, none of the battle banners give uber while activating>but phlog should because reasonsDont use it like a retard and you wont die during activation.
>>736624685But pyro IS the retard class, phlog even more so since it removes airblast and makes the class wm1 only
>>736624750Just duck behind a corner, bro.
>>736578258Buff scorch shot
>>736578258>original axetiguisher should've been pyro's stock axe, gave him a reason to actually use melee in a way that complements his playstyle perfectly by allowing him to pick off power classes if catches them in a high-risk-high-reward ambush>for some reason this is unbalanced despite not effecting the overall meta of the game at any level of play because pyro is still too bottom tier to even exist in comp>sniper doing the same combo with jarate (that's banned in comp) is fine though>Valve's unironic response to years of shitters whining about w+m1 due to lack of basic situational awareness was to nerf combo loadouts for actually being fun, then make w+m1 stronger and add the scorch shot so pyros can basically w+m1 from across the fucking mapI will never not be mad.
Thoughts on this thing?
>>736624979Makes certain jumps possible that I couldn't do otherwiseYes I'm a shitter
>>736624979I'd rather use the beggar's bazooka, mid air jumps are much more fun and silly than doing an 8 rocket speedjump with this thing
>>736624894AgreedDouble its blast radius and make its afterburn affect other Pyros
>>736581010>>736581767When I used to frequent on doublecross I came across some Russian furfaggot sniper pretty frequently. Guy was a pretty obvious closeted cheater, for which I always called him out on, but everyone gave him benefit of the doubt since he had like 7k hours and apparently played sniper in competitive 6s (faggot evenhad a compilation image of everyone calling him out in chat on his steam profile, me included)First thing I did when Valve started handing out VAC bans en-masse was check his profile; instantly privated, VAC ban came the next day.
>>736624979poor man's beggars but it's fun sometimes
>>736625280Sniper faggots really think that it isnt obvious when they toggle their silent aim
Did they fix every sever being filled up with spinning snipers aimbotting while spamming music and hack advertisements? I haven't played in a few years. It'll never be like it was when I played on a server with regulars nightly, but the gameplay is still too good to be thrown away like it was.
>>736626081They fixed that a few years ago, it's playable now
>>736625280Kek, exactly what I said here: >>736585570>Furry? Check.>Whack-ass shots? Check.>Screenshots of how good he is/"This guy banned me cuz 2gud :))"? Check.At least a 75% chance that when you see this shit it's a cheater.
>>736626329Now if you guys were talking trannoids, or shartoids, maybe even a she/her otherkin fag, maybeBut furfags are some of the least likely fags to be cheating.It's kinda why The Furry Pound is the oldest surviving server group in tf2.
DEMO HAS A GRENADE LAUNCHER BY THE WAY, I UNDERSTAND IF YOU DON'T WANT TO USE IT THOUGH SINCE HITTING PIPES TAKES MORE EFFORT BEYOND PRESSING M1... AND THEN PRESSING M2.
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>>736623668because people stopped taking the opinions of tf2bers seriouslyit's very easy to defuse and only occasionally annoying
>>736627357Yiff in Hell, furfag. Your kind is so obvious when they're cheating. All of those kinds you listed are a cancer. The Pound exists because the freaks need somewhere to collect though to be fair, it is the only place you can get a guaranteed decent game of TF2.Smug anime girl and furry are always the dead give away the "gud" player is cheating.
>>736578353>>736581406I remember installing the fempyro mod back when it was new but I couldn't figure out how to uninstall it properly and I ended up making pyros invisible in my game. I think I just left an empty folder or something. It was kind of funny playing like that though.
>>736628969couldnt ya see the bloody bombs?
>>736630454>NO>"I fight for my friends."
>>736628969stop playing dustbowl
>>736578258at least let me deploy this weapon faster if its gonna do minidick damage
>>736630598Stop playing the best map?
>>736623668Because phlog only kills shitters
>>736578258That'd an axe not a discus you dumbass
>>736623304Bad box, no contest.
>>736630764youre playing demo's best map and complaining about dying to demo
>>736630850>t. has never had to play barnblitz against a phlog/med duo
>>736623304I use black box + panic attack + whip
>>736623304if youre using black box anywhere but on flank you're trolling. you are USELESS on the frontline.
>>736613918Shut up, Scout/spymain. My day is better knowing yours is ruined. Team Fortress should be 50% defense, 50% offense, not just indefensible intel races. Maybe you'd stop complaining if you worked with your team instead of tried to break everything solo.
>>736633674>Team Fortress should be 50% defenseAnd? Engie isn't the only class good at defense but he is the only class that builds an aimbot NPC to play the game for him and effortlessly shuts down multiple classes with no fucking effort. Even wrangler gives him aim assist for free as if the class wasn't braindead enough.
>>736633945>Engie isn't the only class good at defenseYeah, no shit. That's why you or anon were just bitching about how helpful Pyro is on defense.>BOO HOO SENTRY AIMBOTholy fuck, you are like the only person playing who can't deal with a sentry. They have so many weaknesses and blindspots and take so much preptime in a game that's full of bumrushers and guys who take shortcuts across the entire fucking map with explosives.GIT. FUCKING. GUD.
>>736585489You are like trannies. Very hard to ignore when you broadcast your stupidity on every platform
>Mfw dying to the backscatter or classic
>>736634179>Yeah, no shit. That's why you or anon were just bitching about how helpful Pyro is on defense.Proving my point. Being a defense class doesn't excuse his dogshit design.>holy fuck, you are like the only person playing who can't deal with a sentry. Really nigger? How often do teams spam engie on last? How often does 1 sentry stonewall blue? Engie is the #1 cause of stalemates EASILY.>They have so many weaknesses and blindspots and take so much preptimeWhich means fuck all when wrangler+airblast can just tank everything and if you have multiple engineers rebuilding guns takes 10s or even worse one goes short circuit. 2 engies can completely lock out most lasts covering each others blind spots so there's no safe angle to peek the guns and the amount of attention and uber needed to deal with their nests means his team can just farm yours.
>>736635318> How often do teams spam engie on last? If a team of engies successfully hold the last point, you had a dogshit team.>How often does 1 sentry stonewall blue?There you go, proving MY point. 1 sentry stonewalling a TEAM of people working together? Inexcusable. Your team is shit, not the class.>Engie is the #1 cause of stalemates EASILY.Then git gud.
>>736585489>Post mentions no europeans>"B-B-BUT W-WHAT ABOUT YUROS! OBSESSED MUCH!?"Ironic.
>>736609854>Just airblast a rocket jumping soldier that willingly lands next to a close range specialistAre you ok?
>>736580581It's a mod for redditors by redditors. With literally registered sex offender against children as one of the developer
>>736635453>If a team of engies successfully hold the last point, you had a dogshit teamOh really? Enlighten me how you are supposed to deal with 2 sentries covering every angle that have 650hp and guns that can snipe you from a mile away? Keep in mind the entire time you are trying to deal with these guns his teammates are shooting you.>There you go, proving MY point. 1 sentry stonewalling a TEAM of people working together? Inexcusable. Your team is shit, not the class.The amount of teamwork it takes to deal with a wrangled gun is far more than it takes for engie to press 2. A demo uber is practically required. Engie makes soldier and demo mandatory in pubs to deal with his dumbass while giving scout, pyro, and spy the middle finger.
>>736579605>>736580607Sniper exists so the game doesn't become a bunch of people wandering around in the open nowhere near the objective TDMing each other. Most snipers are not good enough to actually be hazardous in this way, but enough of them are, and it makes you always go "Good spot for Sniper to shoot me" in the back of your head. The underlying psychology makes you play smarter with where you are or where you're going, because if you are inevitably going to die then you may as well accomplish something while you aren't. Before you call me a Sniper main, consider that Scout also fulfills this role (his entire purpose is weaving in and picking off stragglers or people not lingering near enough firepower to quickly murder him.)
scorch shot is great because it makes snipers shit themselves in anger
>>736623668Because needing to grind 300 damage just to unlock the ability to play demoman with no range is underwhelmingIt was OP when it used to give full heal for free.
>>736635895>Keep in mind the entire time you are trying to deal with these guns his teammates are shooting you.Uh yeah, that's called "teamwork." You are losing because they have good "teamwork." Have better teamwork and maybe you'll win.>The amount of teamwork it takes to deal with a wrangled gun is far more than it takes for engie to press 2.Pathetic. A wrangled gun can't even auto-aim, which is what you were bitching about earlier. Wrangler is such a double-edged sword.>A demo uber is practically required.Do that then...?>Engie makes soldier and demo mandatory in pubsIt's almost like every team has those anyways, because explosives are stupidly overpowered. I can't believe you're crying about Engie when soldier and demo are the ones topping every single scoreboard forever.
>>736635929>Sniper exists so the game doesn't become a bunch of people wandering around in the open nowhere near the objective TDMing each other.He says while upward is the most played map in the game after 2fort. Wow almost makes you think TDMing in large open spaces is the most fun part of the game. And wtf do you mean nowhere near the objective? Taking the flank is generally required to disrupt a strong defense.
>>736635953oh no no no no
>>736636080I mean what I said: Sniper is the premiere head-clicking class who can drain all the blood out of TDM because all he has to do is sit by his spawn door (or some other overly safe spot behind his team) and inflict 150 damage on people every few seconds. Nobody can manfight out in the open with a pest like that around. So instead of punching each other out in the open like retarded cavemen, you naturally gravitate toward the objective, because like I also said: if you are inevitably going to die then you might as well die in a way that doesn't feel like you were totally robbed. Yeah the Sniper got you, but you killed two guys and the point almost looks like it's going to be capped. This is how peoples' brains work. They are not going to go fight in a space where Sniper can just give them a wedgie and they feel like a loser. They will fight where the chance of feeling like you did something important and cool is possible (even if Sniper kills you.)>Wow almost makes you think TDMing in large open spaces is the most fun part of the gameTF2 is fun because it's not a gay compy sweatfest like Overwatch where you must always be playing the objective. The objective is there. If you play around it, it's generally more interesting and feels more rewarding. But it is not mandatory. This is why it's fun.
>>736636078>Uh yeah, that's called "teamwork." You are losing because they have good "teamwork." Have better teamwork and maybe you'll win.There is an imbalance of skill and effort required here is the problem. You can handwave away any problem with "teamwork". Aimbot sniper locking you in spawn? Use teamwork to coordinate 5 soldiers bombing him at once because that will totally happen in your average pub.>A wrangled gun can't even auto-aim, which is what you were bitching about earlier. Wrangler is such a double-edged sword.Wrangler outranges and outdamages every class but sniper and sniper can't touch you behind your gun. Any retard can point and click with wrangler's built in assist.>Do that then...?What if I want to play something else for once? What if no one wants to play med? You practically don't get to play scout ever in pubs because as soon as you get more than 3 kills some butthurt bitch starts spamming minis and you don't get to play the game anymore.>it's almost like every team has those anywaysNo they dont. Most demomen are on demoknight/hybrid knight and are useless. Soldier's damage is too low to deal with a wrangled gun so you need several soldiers coordinating fire on it at once all the while they're easy pickings for your teammates.
>>736619937if you ever play custom weapon servers theyll have automatic weapons there and youll realize automatic guns are kinda mindless and that shotguns helped made tf2 what it was
>>736636402This is the biggest sniper main cope I've ever read like sniper is the only reason every TF2 doesn't devolve into friendly pootis tea parties and mgelite. You are delusional.
>>736637078>like sniper is the only reason every TF2 doesn't devolve into friendly pootis tea parties and mgeliteI didn't say that, I said Scout also does this. >>736635929 Some classes can farm stragglers who don't have game sense and are trying to do dumb things in the open. When these classes exist and do that it makes other players subconsciously learn "don't veer too far or stand around because you will die."
>>736636820>There is an imbalance of skill and effort required here is the problem.Maybe, but it's not Engie causing it. There's only so much a good sentry position can do for a team. Significantly less than a well-healed Soldier. It's not even worth arguing with someone who thinks Engie is the imbalancing point for fucking TF2. It's fucking absurd. Look on any scoreboard and notice engie NEVER tops. Get fucking real. And then git gud.
>>736637240>Look on any scoreboard and notice engie NEVER tops. Get fucking real.Teleporters giving free points aside, Engineers can potentially dictate games because stuff like the Wrangler (when used correctly) is obnoxious. No competent team is going to let him do that but he has the capacity to be extremely annoying, cockblock the enemy and topscore. He also has the benefit of being easy as shit to play and one of those classes where, if you have four of them, it's actually often a good thing.
>Pyro as the cqc class loses his 2 hit crit combo that requires actual opportunity cost in other utility melee>Sniper as the long range class keeps his 2 hit crit melee combo that incurs virtually 0 opportunity cost, using his best secondary and all his other melees suck anyway
>>736637240>Maybe, but it's not Engie causing it. There's only so much a good sentry position can do for a team. Significantly less than a well-healed Soldier.Soldier takes skill and risk to play. Engie does not. If I am playing scout and a soldier lands 2 clean rockets on me he had to get in close range and had to land 2 difficult shots. It's entirely my fault for having predictable movement or not hitting my shots. Meanwhile I can spam scattergun at a sentry gun all fucking day and I will never outpace an engie tanking it. It's a completely uninteractive and boring matchup. I am not fighting the engie I'm fighting his mindless NPC he conjured that my class has zero answers to.>Look on any scoreboard and notice engie NEVER topsBecause players rarely run into his gun after dying to it once. Forcing the enemy to sit and twiddle their thumbs while they wait for med to get uber which will more than likely require the full 8s to deal with just your gun is huge value.
>>736637507The shahanshah is good but its kinda like how the ubersaw exists invalidating all of medic's other choices.
>>736578258*uses airblast cheat* sigh soldiers just can't beat me lol I don't even really use it it's just there lol I don't need it
Is anti backstab still a cheat people use or am i hallucinating sometimes when people instantly do a 180 and i miss a stab
>>736578258Making it a mini crit already was a big enough nerf as is.Making it extinguish on to of that was retarded and killed the weapon.
>>736637840It still exists but it's pretty obvious. The two forms I've seen either backstabs literally do nothing even if your target is AFK or they frame perfect 180 teleport the moment you stab. If you saw their model turning it's legit. Usually it's just unlucky timing and they happened to spycheck right then.
>>736578258>finally get Australium Axstinguisher>Gaben nerfs it literally the next dayStill mad! I'll probably DIE mad!
>Critical hits on targets affected by your afterburn>Mini-crits targets affected by some other afterburn>While holding: Movement speed increased to the fastest class currently affected by your afterburn>On miss: Hit yourself and bleed. Idiot.Done
>>736581406>DO AMERICANS REALLY>british streameryou guys are so obsessed it's pathetic>>736585568>>736635523America Derangement Syndrome is a eurocel trait.
>>736638013>or they frame perfect 180 teleport the moment you stabaren't knife attacks instant though?
>>736638170Lag compensation fuckery
