What are the best space games?
>>736579459space engine. /thread
>>736579548you can't just /thread your own post
>>736579459No Man's Sky4X
I want to go to space
I don't get the fascination with space. It's just balls of gas and balls of rock.
Kerbal Space Program for maneuvering around space. Universe Sandbox for simulating space. Space Engine for exploring space.
>>736579459Dead space
>>736579459The Moon Landing probably never happened.
>>736580036you have no soul
alpha centauri
exploring other galaxies and planets is pretty fun in Dyson Sphere Program but it takes quite a bit of Factorio'ing to get to that point
>far side of the moon>no BB
>>736579459EVE is literally the only good one
>>736579459Why does this shit look like a digital image? WHY IS THE EARTH SO BIG FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE? Shouldn't it be a much smaller dot in the distance?
Ixion was one of the greater space games because of how fucking brutal it could be. It also had a goddamn beautiful soundtrack and visuals, mixed with a pretty challenging loop and general resource scarcity theme. Id heartily recommend it, even if most of it is within the like, spaceship instead of seeing the outside.
>>736580279does it have multiplayer yet?
>>736580036The Earth is a ball of rock and water. What's so great about Earth?>it's the nature and shitYou can only enjoy the forests and the oceans and the jungles after they've been tamed and sections cordoned off as safe for tourism and recreation. Essentially terraformed. Imagine a casino resort on a terraformed section of the moon.
obviouslyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aUcvswVJ58
>>736579459the outer wilds
>>736579459Fortune's Run (once it's complete)
>>736580036You have to add weird shit to it
>>736579459kirby superstar
>>736579459dual monitor bros, we eating good
>>736581091space IS weird shit
This pic looks so bland, is that it? That's what they went for?
>>736581091Game?
Have there really been no good space games since the 2016 rush of elite, x4, nms, and scam citizen?
>>736581227Underspace
>>736581258Starsector? Everspace 1 and 2? Spacebourne 2? 3030 Deathwar? Underspace? Space Engineers? Avorion? Jump Space? Chorvs? Children of a Dead Earth?
>>736581347You forgot starfield
>>736581091
>>736581369I haven't played the new update yet so I won't pass judgment on it like a fag.
>>736581258House of the Dying Sun is the only modern space vidya that looks any good
>>7365814052spooky4me
>>736579459Freespace and Freespace 2.
>>736580036There's practically endless free resources and real estate out there, and it's all out of our reach by any rational metrics. If God designed the universe for the benefit of mankind, he's a top tier troll.
>>736581405AIEEEE
>>736581405Now imagine everytime the thunder goes off it's slightly closer.
>>736579459Factorio
>>736579459Xenosaga
>>736579548Space Engine is not a game though.Space Engineers on the other hand is a game and can do the solitude and void of the space really well, even better with mods. And it has an insanely large modding base on steam workshop.
>>736579459i tried to google this img for 15 mins and was seething my nasa link only had a 120kb "download" thanks anon.
>>736579964wouldn't it make more sense to go idk straight up more?
I built this ridiculous drill ship in Space Engineers, it can churn through an asteroid in no time and then it becomes incapable of atmospheric flight because re-entry disintegrates it
>>736582239space engineers was the first game i buyded on steam. it was july 14th 2014.
>>736582330I thought so too, but no. The most optimal way to get escape velocity is curved like the one in the video.If you just fly straight up, you'll eventually fall back down. You need horizontal velocity to remain in orbit.
>>736579459Jesus Christ, Again?
>>736581369>starfield>good gameget out
>>736582260have some more, straight from the source: https://www.flickr.com/photos/nasa2explore/
>>736582330The Earth is moving and rotating. Going "straight up" would mean wasting fuel to keep keep following it around.
>reddit atheists are chimping out because the astronauts mentioned godtop zozzle
>>736580060KSP plus graphics mods is so pretty.
>>736582330If you go straight up you will be fighting gravity to its full extent for the entire time.
Starfield has some nice space kino
>>736582330It's easier to build momentum by orbiting around the Earth a few times than it is to launch straight out.
>>736581198No. They didn't go into orbit around the moon to take a picture. Why would you believe that? Here's the thing. You are ignorant of what this mission is for. Which is fine, you shouldn't know everything. But the problem is that you decided that you actually do know everything so you've invented some really stupid idea that this moon mission is about taking pictures rather than ever think to yourself that there is anything that you possibly don't know.
>>736582803That's not space that's a planet.
Humanity is never getting out of the solar system, is it
>>736580036It's like an out of bounds glitch that we can just kinda peek behind the curtain.
>>736579459Starfield easily, probably the best space game you can play right now.
>>736582645You're right. Starfield is a great game
Elite DangerousX4 FoundationsStar Citizen if you have a good PC
>>736583010we have two spacecraft in interstellar space right now, and 3 more are on the way. it fucking counts.
>>736583346
>>736579964One of these days!
i don't think anything can beat the feeling i got from Star Citizen while i was walking around my ship's interior transmuted scavenged metals while going light years/second on autopilot in the middle of space. I don't even own the game and played on free fly but man that game is a diamond in the middle of a pile of vague ideas.
>>736582803>oh muh gud, it's my shitty small town mall but in space!!11!1!!1!!!!why are you people like this
>>736582360Such a fun game but holy shit it ran so poorly, had real fun with wheel physics accidents.
>>736583346>>736583387
redpill me on space engineers
>>736582260>my nasa linklmao get better links, retard. Check the home thread or 'cord if you're interested, and if you don't know what I'm saying then just shut up and stay ignorant.
>ctrl-f>no mention of HomeworldSickening.
>>736579459
Should I play Elite Dangerous? don't new players literally get enslaved in there?
>>736581091Finish the damn multiplayer already
>>736583864its one of the most fun flight models out there and unparalleled sound design. the game is especially enjoyable for VR + HOSAS players.There is no better feeling than mastering flight assist off flying. if youre concerned about the grind aspect, theres tons of guides online if you want to skip that.
>>736579459Modded KSP1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4XiALgZ7Hc
>>736583864Elite dangerous is basically space truck simulator. if you have a joystick and find it fun to fly across space with nothing to do inbetween, then yeah it could be your jam.
>>736579964>shadman
>>736583797God, I fucking love minus8.
Solar Expanse looks promising as a space tycoon sort of game, comes out in a couple dayshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpeDMeNKd4Q
>>736583864It's got a wonderful flight model, it looks cool, nice visuals, and it's an absolute piece of shit to play in every single way and the most godawful experience out there.
>>736582639>want to play BZ>remakes are unplayable because the mission scripting is fuckedcool
>>736582803DUDERETAILhave you been in a coma?
Star Fox is a great space game. I love flying through Area Six and slipping past Andross's fleet.
>>736583864No lol. ED is very shallow. You fly from point A to point B with barely anything interesting in-between.
>>736580036It's even worse in reality, space is 99.9% fucking nothing, with the balls of gas and rock all being way too far apart to interact with meaningfully.
>>736582756It's incredible that they can't see how cringe they are. It's the same sniveling rodents that wish the Easter bunny happy birthday on Easter or chimp out ecstatically praising Satan. Like get a life.
>inb4 glownig propaganda
Every space game does something differently and does something they're good at and bad at. The best current space games worth playing is No Man's sky, very arcadey survival Elite dangerous, space flight simulatorStarfield, space RPG
>>736579459>stealth starfield advertisement thread
>>736584640>AAA space gamesEw.
It crazy that we got to see another fake moon mission in our lifetime. I really didn't think they would do it.
1969>fake and gay, directed by Orson Welles2028>fake AI moon landing
>>736582330>American education
I enjoy star citizen, so much so I spent over a thousand dollars on a hosas, pedals, and a control panel.
I want to fly around while commanding a capital ship. I want to fly in a fighter. I want to shoot aliens in the face on the surface of a planet. Later, I want to fuck hot alien babes or get fucked by giant alien cock.
>>736580036This. It's fucking boring aside from being a laboratory for extreme physics.
>>736584449if only x4 foundations had a flight model and galactic map like ED. still both fun games in their regards.
>>736580060>>736582765yeah KSP for me. It took me so long to even get to the moon. Floating around a moon of another planet was such a crazy feeling. No other game has given me a bigger sense of scale.
>>736584976unironically give it another 5-10 years and it will be pretty good
>>736581258Breathedge is nice
>>736581285If Underspace had spacewalking and being able to walk around your ship it'd be exactly what I want from a space game.
Aeiouhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv6RbEOlqRo&pp=ygUObW9vbmJhc2UgYWxwaGE%3D
>>736581227Dont bother, game is shit
>>736584338i kinda wish to know who is the retard who spread that misinformation
>>736579459Nice AI pic
>>736582897Bodied that freak kek
>>736579459Outer Wilds by far
>>736580060KSP still hasn't been surpassedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkDOOsGg-9I
>>736585334Nah
It's a bit surreal for me that you can fit all the planets of our solar system between our planet and the moon.
Galaxy Angel!
>>736585781Why is everyone always bitching about faster than light travel when the solar system already has tons of shit to explore and is decently reachable?
>>736585836dude there's nothing here
>>736585775You can have custom pictures? Actually, how do you even get those apartments?
>>736585896Neither in No Man's Sky and yet people play it
>>736585836we sent probes, there's nothing there except minerals
>>736585836because exploitation of the solar system requires multi-generational thinking where people will set in motion things not even their grandchildren will taste the fruits of.
>>736581141did they post the full res ones now? I thought there was only 1080p gopro ones available basically until they returned.
>>736585907You can buy houses on major planets + decorate them with stuff you find or furniture you buy. Cockpits too. There's a custom picture system but it's kind of finnicky about what formats it wants
>>736585190I don't really like the focus on fps stuff or how dumbed down flight has become though. I do hope for improvement though but also am simultaneously pretty disillusioned with cig.
>>736579459>What are the best space games?There's a lot of very different things you can want from a space game, but considering you're making this thread because of Artemis II, Kerbal Space Program is the best game when it comes to relatively realistic space travel, landing on other bodies, etc
>>736585836Because it would take 600 years to reach mars.
>>736586026all they needed to do was a next gen wing commander clone, everything else is just complete kickstarter bullet pointslop
>>736579459>ctrl + f orbiter>no resultsAbsolute plebs.
>>736586104I just wanted 100 star systems and exploration and I'll never get that now, I'm just along for the ride at this point.
>>736585781wait until you learn how far away the rest of the planets are. and dont get me started on other stars or galaxieshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR3Igc3Rhfg>>736585970yep they have. use this websitehttps://images.nasa.gov/
>>736585836Most of it is too dangerous for humans to access. Mercury's too hot, Venus' atmosphere is sulfuric acid, and the gas giants have no surface to build on. That leaves the Moon, Mars, the asteroid belt, and some of the moons of Jupiter and Saturn.
>>736586089Yeah right now, but even going only a bit of the speed of light you could reach it fast
>>736582803
>>736586089>>736586186mars takes a few months wtf are you talking about
>>736579459Incredible
>>736586089No it wouldn't lol, we have rovers on Mars right now and it took less than a year to get there
>>736586271Seeing the concept art of this is depressing.
>>736586089You are fucking stupid, Anon. Mars is months away. You'd need a decade at most to get to Pluto.
>>736586024I thought the game was fucking abandonedhuh
>>736586168Yeah... I don't think humanity will ever be able to leave our Solar System one day...Good thing we have videogames to emulate this kind of stuff I guess.
>>736586271
>>736585498I've played it, seen it first hand and refunded it. It's a well known issue with BZ2I do get the impression BZ fans are delusional though, so it wouldn't surprise me if you were a little bitch about it
>>736586514we can already leave the solar system, unless you mean arriving somewhere but the solar system, then nah probably not.Tau Ceti would require something that could accelerate/decelerate for years on end.
>>736585781Only 250,000 miles away!
>>736579459>Classic gamesWing Commander 1-5 + PrivateerX-WingTIE FighterX-Wing AllianceFreespace 2 (use mods to play the original in 2's engine)StarlancerFreelancerTachyon The FringeI-WarI-War 2>Modern gamesElite Dangerous (every Elite game is the same)X4 uhhhhhh
>>736585309John Madden>https://youtu.be/nzKWbpSNkmk
>>736586514are you serious? Da Vinci dreamt of flying machines in the 1500s, and only two hundred and eighty years later we were piloting air ballons. another hundred years later we started controlling motorized planes. and after that, there has been nonstop progress, including spaceflight. there are many theories about how we will be able to leave the Solar System, and Im sure we will, although we wont be alive to see it
Will they ever come back in force, Elite-anons? Or is it just going to be their rage-virus human drones?
>>736586396Post it you faggot
>>736586874>Da Vinci dreamt of flying machines in the 1500s, and only two hundred and eighty years later we were piloting air ballons. another hundred years later we started controlling motorized planes. and after that, there has been nonstop progress, including spaceflight. there are many theories about how we will be able to leave the Solar System, and Im sure we will, although we wont be alive to see itThis. Demoralizers trying to clamp down on the dreamers that know there is something great out there. https://youtu.be/WQYN2P3E06s
>>736582803it does
>>736579459>all those meteor holesWhat would have happened if the men on the moon got hit by one?
>>736586510It gets like updates every week. There's online co-op now.
>>736586998It would be extremely painful
>>736579459Star Control 2
>>736582897>No. They didn't go into orbit around the moon to take a picture. Why would you believe that?Because you haven't posted anything to prove otherwise.
>>736586874Until we find a way to break the laws of physics, it's not happening as it's a hard plateau. Even lightspeed can barely bring us anywhere in space, and that's already unfeasable.
>>736586998>meteor holesholy fucking retard
>>736586998would that be fucked up or what
need a space game that gives me feels like pic relatedim talking massive black holes and unexplainable shit that make you feel insignificant.
>>736587173Why?
>>736586514>Yeah... I don't think humanity will ever be able to leave our Solar System one day...I've seen enough cunts spewing bullshit on podcasts to say that the tech is already there. It's not so much a matter of knowledge but permission. The glownigs of this planet have been deemed too hostile to let out of their cage. Bit a shame really that we are effectively stuck paying tribute to pedos on this side of the spiral arm because they can't stop shooting shit out of the skies. Hell we might see the equivalent of a colony drop in our lifetimes if this continues to escalate.
>>736582803Shut the fuck up nigger.
>>736587125no need to break the alw of physics. there is stuff we dont know much about like worm holes or motor warpbut yeah if these dont work, we'd only be able to reach some close stars... and maybe expand from there over thousands or millions of years to the rest of the milky way. and forget about ever reaching another galaxy
>>736587208Is the term "crater" foreign to you?
>>736585907>how do you even get those apartments?The one on the starting planet you can get by talking to a guy on the landing pad for super cheap. Everything else needs high reputation or a lot of money.
>>736585781>Jupiter sucking up all of the space dust to keep the Earth safe from getting bombardedBased king
>>736585836Because short sighted decadents are more worried about their own temporary lifespans to give a salad toss about anything outside of that. Why bother scaling the economy by orders of magnitude with concrete material wealth when you can rentseek with fake and gay bullshit.
>>736587506
>>736582330Orbit is when you are moving forward so fast that you fall around the Earth while always missing it.
The solar system's moons are generally more interesting than it's planets
>>736585051i feel the same when I watch fillian
>>736586874>>736587125
>>736587415Buddy just because you watched vsauce for some science terms don't mean we give a fuck about your pop-science knowledge
>>736587821I don't watch pop science shit, retard.
>>736582330If you go straight up you'll simply fall back down on Earth unless you go fast enough to reach escape velocity
>>736587382>worm holes or motor warpBoth sci-fi theorycrafting which assumes that time travel is possible (it isn't).
>>736587850of course you do, you're one second away from telling us about that one planet made of diamonds and thinking we would be impressed
>>736583010It already has.t.knower
>you will die on this planet
>>736585836>decently reachableThe Moon is about 250,000 miles away from Earth and it takes a few days to get there. The position of the Earth and Moon is highly regular and predictable, nowhere on Earth is more than 12 hours away from facing the Moon, and Lunar orbit is close enough that at the speed of light communication is still effectively instant.Mars is regarded as the natural next step for human exploration, as it is the only other planet even remotely tolerable to human life. Depending on the relative position of Earth and Mars around the Sun, Mars is anywhere from roughly 100x to 1,000x farther from Earth than the Moon. A mission to Mars, launching in the ideal window which only occurs every 2-3 years, would take not days but months just to arrive at Mars, and it would be years before they could return. No human being has ever left Earth for so long, especially not outside of the relative safety and comfort of near-Earth orbit, and these travelers would be utterly alone and helpless. Any kind of relief would be impossible to send for most of the journey, and even regular communication with Earth would be impossible with a light-speed delay of up to 20 minutes.Even just sending probes to the outer Solar System is not easy. Voyager 2 took advantage of a miraculous once-in-200-years alignment of the outer planets to flyby all four of them over the course of a decade.Jupiter is 5x farther from the Sun than Earth, Saturn is 10x, Uranus is 20x, Neptune is 30x. Opportunities to launch a probe beyond Saturn come once in a decade and will still take over a decade to arrive at their destination. There is a reason Voyager 2 is still the last and only probe to encounter Uranus and Neptune, almost 40 years ago.
>>7365871252 thingsFirst off, sub-FTL isn't so terrible as long as you can get as close to FTL as possible, because time dilation will work its effects. A 4 year journey to Alpha Centauri at near c will only be a few months from the crew's perspective, and that isn't so different from the travel times during the age of sail. Just from the perspective of anyone on Earth and Centauri the journey takes 4 years, and would be an 8 years round trip. But it is theoretically doable if we can build a craft that can survive the acceleration and deceleration. And number 2, none of that actually matters because all you have to do is artificially jack up the speed of light like they did in a lab at princeton in 2000. Cool loophole!
Man I love Space Engine but I don’t remember the controls being so shit
>>736587125yeah we already understand everything physics has to offer just stop trying bro
>>736582330No cause you wouldn't escape Earth's gravitational pull, we fly at an angle to build enough horizontal velocity so that we orbit the planet, then later burn again to put us onto whatever trajectory we are aiming for (lunar orbit, lunar flyby, mars, etc)
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>>736586874>>736587273The fastest moving probe we've ever launched into space was Voyager 1. It launched almost 50 years ago and is currently about 170x further from the Sun than Earth, increasing at a rate of about 3.5 Earth-orbits (AU) per year.At its current velocity, it will take over 70,000 years for Voyager 1 to travel the current distance to the closest star system to the Sun.The fastest speed a human space probe has ever traveled was accomplished by the Parker Solar Probe, which achieved an orbital velocity of over 400,000 miles per hour on its closest approach to the Sun, almost 0.1% of the speed of light. If the Parker Space Probe could somehow maintain this velocity, it would be able to travel from Earth to the Moon in about half an hour, and travel from Earth to Alpha Centauri in about 7,000 years.The Solar System is vast, and outer space is far, far away.
>>736588904Yeah we can just make 1+1=3 bro, just wait 2 more weeks for le progress to make the impossible possible
>>736579459This is so fucking fake lol
>>736587125>. Even lightspeed can barely bring us anywhere in spaceWhat on earth are you talking about?4 Years to alpha centauri, 5 to Barnard's star, set up colonies on suitable planets, expand to the nearest stars to them, and repeatit's like you're expecting to get to andromeda in a year and declaring all space travel unfeasible because you can't
>>736589503>what do you mean earth orbits the sun? ridiculous bro the science is settled. what the fuck kind of pseudoscientific contraption is a telescope?
>>736589546not wrong but also, as you approach lightspeed you would experience almost no subjective time, there's no practical speed limit from the perspective of the traveler.the problem is the energy, reaction mass and lethal g-forces but none of that has to do with the speed of light limit
>>736589546>4 years at lightspeed just to reach Alpha Centauri>4 yearsThe logistics, while assuming this insane scenario where we're going anywhere near light speed, are already fucked. Even boats never sailed that long
>>736589675>Even boats never sailed that longWhat a parochial way of thinking. Making permanently livable habitats in space is absolutely realistic, making a ship you can live on for only four years is not even remotely far fetched. This is only mind boggling if you can't imagine anything further than current day technology.
>>736588904>>736589576Traveling faster than light is impossible, period.It's not one arbitrary data point that could go either way, physics as we know it does not work if this is not true and every testable data point reinforces the fact that it is.We're not just talking about a theoretical framework, it would unravel reality. If you can travel FTL you have created a time machine that can violate causality and cause paradoxes. It's simply not possible.
>>736589675Boats absolutely did sail that long, just not without making port for resupplying. But we can fit enough supplies into a spaceship to go that far these days. It'd have to be big, but a ship that travels at lightspeed couldn't be small anyway.I don't think we'll see FTL tech in our lifetimes, but we already know teleportation is possible. That'll probably happen first.
I ordered HOSAS and plan on starting x4 as soon as they arrive. I also wanna try other space flight games to test drive the sticks, just not Scam Citizen. ED sounds boring. X4 sounds like it has all that I'm looking for, it's just kinda feo.
>>736589951>we already know teleportation is possible
>>736590006https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_teleportation
>>736586271>>736586396The NASA collaboration ruined Starfield because NASA doesn't want to be associated with "negative" space stuff. No gore, no nudity, no aliens, they even go out of their way to talk about the mars rock not being a face. It's fucking pathetic. It's like they forgot they had a reputation for M+17 games and threw in the drug in Neon at the last minute to justify it, because nothing else does
>>736589852>Traveling faster than light is impossible, period.There are several theories as to getting around the lightspeed problem instead of just adding more and more acceleration.>physics as we know itKey sentenceYou think about science like a religious person. The word "law", in your authoritarian brain, is a hard, divinely laid down limit.Understand that special and general relativity have limits, as well as quantum physics. And all three of these contradict each other in some way.> every testable data pointIt's math, and it all checks out until it doesn't. Physicists are constantly finding new holes and flaws in current theories they have to work through or the entire model breaks.
>>736590097>While teleportation is commonly portrayed in science fiction as a means to transfer physical objects from one location to the next, quantum teleportation only transfers quantum information.>Moreover, the location of the recipient can be unknown, but to complete the quantum teleportation, classical information needs to be sent from sender to receiver. Because classical information needs to be sent, quantum teleportation cannot occur faster than the speed of light.Okay so what's actually happening here is that scientists trying to get grant money for quantum computing research called something else "teleporting."
>>736590340>I saw two contradictory studies on whether eggs are healthy, all science is faketype post
>>736583864Explore couple of hours in VR and then uninstall. Don't buy expansion pack.
>>736590340>scientists trying to get grant money by creating clickbaitThat shit is way too common desu.
>>736579459Flight of Nova is a unique vibe
>>736590529>ss13/14I dont get it
>>736590582Don't. It's dead and 14 is a different game.
>>736580036Much like mountain climbing or deep sea charting, you have to be White or possibly Japanese to understand it.Browns are unable to yearn or long.
>>736590226I thought it was too lame especially after Fallout 4. Does the recent update fix any of this stuff? They said no gore was because of tech limitaitons (lol). Not being able to take clothing from bodies doesn't even feel like a Bethesda game
>>736587753More like Inceladus amirite
>>736590267>There are several theories as to getting around the lightspeed problemAnd all of them rely on concepts ranging from highly theoretical to impossible, and more importantly all still violate causality.>You think about science like a religious personNo, I think about science like science, and when every data point collected in the past 10,000 years points to one conclusion it would take extraordinary evidence to consider any alternative.>It's math, and it all checks out until it doesn't.The math in question is the foundation of the only world you've ever known. If it was wrong the world as you know it could not exist. Not "you would have a different understanding of it," it would not work at all.Physics is not a complete or perfect picture, we do not have a theory of everything. We don't have a complete theory of gravity, but relativity is extremely close. No deeper understanding of it would lead us to realize that gravity isn't real and the Earth flying apart.And as I told you, as you would understand if you knew what we were talking about, this isn't just a physics problem. Going faster than light is impossible for the same reason going backward in time is impossible. "Cause and effect" is not some bullshit made up in a lab.
>>736590723>public consumption physics and science is the end all be allAny papers or patents that have energy efficiency of over 28% are classified under the national secrecy act, you will literally never be privy to any knowledge theoretical or workable that disproves your scientific dogma. Not only are you enslaved by the system created by having such knowledge with held from humanity you also willing brow beat others for pointing out how beclowned you are.
>>736590723>The math in question is the foundation of the only world you've ever known. If it was wrong the world as you know it could not existThis is exactly how a religious person would express it
>>736590914sauce
>>736587812If mankind even reaches these points, that will be remarkable and open at minimum the solar system to us, if not allow us to colonize further. Not making Star Trek travel reality is kind of a bummer though.
>>736590962>NOOOO STOP TELLING ME THAT 1+1 CANNOT EQUAL 3Kek
>>736590723>>And all of them rely on concepts ranging from highly theoretical>far future technologies we are nowhere near being able to develop are highly theoreticalA sentence of pure genius and poetry>and when every data point collected in the past 10,000 years points to one conclusion Except this isn't how science works at all, and this is an utterly laughable sentence to type out. Science is NOT linear. Science is the continual building and discarding of theoretical frameworks. The GREATEST leaps forward in scientific progress always come with through scientific revolutions, when new theories replace old ones.It's no coincidence that the popularity of science as bean counting has lead to the stagnation that we've seen.>The math in question is the foundation of the only world you've ever known. If it was wrong the world as you know it could not exist. That's not how mathematics works, this is religious absolutely hogwash. >Physics is not a complete or perfect picture, we do not have a theory of everythingYou literally talk about math and theoretical physics as if they are literal tangible substances that will crumble apart if we question them.
>>736590914"An effect cannot precede its cause" is scientific dogma that arises from the principle observations of "being alive" and "having a brain">>736590962How else are you supposed to argue to a fool who doesn't understand why the Sun rises every morning or how satellites stay in the sky?
>>736587812You could have literally colonized hundreds of star systems at STL in that time btw
>>736590723This is why general relativity shouldn't have ever been created. We were so free until faggots started wrapping their science all around it now nothing is possible because people crawl themselves within the constraints of Einsteins bullshit. You fags will never unify the quantum with the macro and aliens will never use the retarded standard model. lol lmao
>>736591090>who doesn't understand why the Sun rises every morningWoopsie looks like you let a classic religious talking point slip through a little
>>736588128>Mars is regarded as the natural next step for human exploration, as it is the only other planet even remotely tolerable to human life.0.8% of Earth's atmosphere pressure, made of primarily CO2, dirt that would grow toxic food, and dust that acts like micro glass shards. Not to mention the radiation you'd get due to the lack of a magnetosphere There's no way to survive without an enclosure, and no real benefit except that it's stable and mostly-unchanging. Venus would be equal or better in every way, including that the denser atmosphere would make floating habitats theoretically possible.
>>736591140*nods respectfully toward you*
>>736590723>"Cause and effect" is not some bullshit made up in a lab.>Talks about mathematics as if it's a cause and not a descriptor
>>736580060Star Citizen for slip and fall injuries in space
>>736591168dude just wash away the perchlorates lmaooo
>>736591168>>736591216Bro looks about 1 step away from delving into "space is fake" conspiracy theories
>doomers bitching about FTL don't know what a generation ship is
>>736590965The formal name is the invention secrecy act of 1951, its scope has been increased to include scientific papers as well. The agency that most makes use of it is the doe.
>>736591168earth was a literal anoxic nightmare hellworld 4 billion years ago
>>736579459spore
>>736591168It's "remotely tolerable to human life" because it has a surface a person in an insulated pressure suit could stand on without dying instantly (6/8 planets fail this criteria) >Venus would be equal or better in every waylol
>>736591168I think by "remotely tolerable" he meant "wouldn't immediately kill us the second we touch down"Cant really imagine us building enclosures on Jupiter, Saturn, Venus, or Neptune.
I love space to the point of investing a lot of money to photograph it. And the closest thing to depict space is Elite dangerous. Game has problems but its the closest "space engine as a game" we have.
>All these retards peddling their scifi as factEvery time, why does space discussion always attract them like flies to shit?
>>736591223You can tell me you don't know what "causality" means, I wouldn't make fun of you if you just admitted it
>>736591168You are retarded, I'm glad NASA stopped listening to the loud retards
>>736591139>This is why general relativity shouldn't have ever been created. We were so free until faggots started wrapping their science all around itBlame God for making the universe like that :^)
>>736591349>humanity has peakedyou are old and wise
>>736591090The whole post was ridiculous, anon. When you say something like>very data point collected in the past 10,000 yearsit's obviously disingenuous because nobody's been rigorously collecting data for anywhere near that long. So you've already exaggerated something just to make it all sound more impressive than it really is. The actual effect of a statement like this is to make the reader distrust you.>The math in question is the foundation of the only world you've ever known. If it was wrong the world as you know it could not existReligious people love saying crap like this. "The world couldn't exist without God to create it." It's silly and causally invalid. It's axiomatic that the world exists and some math and theory has been done to explain observed facts. The theory being erroneous in some unexpected way doesn't cause the world to stop existing or working.
>>736586874>>736586970i wish i were this retarded
>>736591447>Blame god for making humans restrict themselves to one theory model and never progress beyond that because its le impossible and create retarded string theory physics as a resultSure thing
9/10 /v/ space thread posters unironically believe that they know better than Albert Einstein (source: "uhh you can't ever really KNOW anything for sure man")
>>736591480>The actual effect of a statement like this is to make the reader distrust you.Apparently the effect was to trigger a lot of Reddit atheists by being mildly condescending about the fact that FTL is impossible
>>736591537Kek, this>You could totally travel faster than light if we just progress harder! Just ignore all the logical problems established with trying to do so!
>>736591576Yes, I get it, you're incapable of introspecting when you say something stupid
>>736591471Thanks for proving my point
>>736588297Imagine being one of the first people sent on a deep space travel mission. Due to time dilation, you can't communicate until you reach your destination, and when you do, it turns out there are already people there because a year after your journey began, they discovered a revolutionary space travel technology that allowed for faster and safer travel.
>>736591630"something stupid" like "no this fundamental principle of physics which is tested one trillion times a day is not wrong" and "paradoxes are impossible">erm your complete dismissal of my bullshit viewpoint isn't taking a very scientific approach!Yeah I'm glad you picked up on that
>>736591216>>736591576the fedoraposting really just goes to show the religious thinking accusations were spot on>>736591862>all other theoretical methods of traversing vast distances of space are impossible>keeps retreating to "you can't break the speed of light its impossible!"Just Stop Coping.
>>736586998A chimp could tank that easy. Those things could fucking rip you apart.
>>736591537>albert einstein is moses and he'd never want you to contradict him :)
>>736591709They did this in starfield
>You see, we can't progress any further because I can't imagine us going any further, and I am very smart.
>>736592040literally the crux of their entire argument, lmao
>>736591943>All this fedoratippingKek, you have yet to establish one method that doesn't blatantly violate physics.
>>736591862I'm not the person who questioned it in the first place. The fact that you assume so despite knowing this is an anonymous message board is one indicator of how unintelligent you are. You very much do take every current theory as gospel truth and can't even entertain the possibility of alternative explanations for anything.
>>736591943>all other theoretical models of the shape of the Earth and outer planes are impossible>keeps retreating to "the Earth can't be flat it's impossible!">>736591979If you can contradict him you'll win a Nobel Prize and be immortalized as the most famous scientist of this century. Go ahead! We're waiting!
>>736591709When playing Distant worlds your first mining ships are automatically going to nearest gas giant for fuel. When they ran out of fuel they will still limp away, you can finish conquering galaxy before they come back.
>>736579459Outer Wilds is the only space game
>>736592074Any method that gets brought up will be handwaved as "impossible" or "purely theoretical", without you ever realizing the irony of that dismissal
>>736592097>I'm not the person who questioned it in the first placeI don't care.>can't even entertain the possibility of alternative explanations for anythingWhat is your alternative explanation for the principle of causality?Please elucidate everyone about how you have overthrown 3000 years of backward and patriarchal superstitions like "logical reasoning"
>>736592195>Impossible shit will be called impossibleWell yeah. You're getting mad that people won't fall for your snake oil.
Space games seem to diverge between>science fantasy infinite fuel FTL space fighters doing cowboy things and WW2 dogfights in spaaaceand>brutally complex low tech simulator with newtonian physics where you get maybe 10 km/s of delta-v and travel between planets takes months on averageIt would be cool if someone combined the two and let you have relativistic jousting duals at light-second ranges with your million ton antimatter warships. Still have to manage your fuel, but no tedious orbital slingshotting, just burn / turn / burn.
>>736592236>What is your alternative explanation for the principle of causality?"IF ANGELS DIDN'T DO IT THEN EXPLAIN" tier argument> "logical reasoning"Said like your arguments are based on 'logical reasoning' and not platonic woowoo and "the science is settled'
>>736581198it's a test of new space technologies and systems innovations, as well as new tests to see how astronauts bodies really react during and after space travel. Kind of a preparation for the future mars missionhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemis_IIyou'd have to read this page to really get the scope of all the technology being put to the test
>>736592236>I don't care.So why did you say it? You keep saying these indefensibly stupid things and then demanding something out of scope to hide your shame.
>>736592312>No alternative argument suggested for a well established theoryKek, now who's the fanatic here? Fedoratippers are embarassing.
Ok so FTL travel CAN violate causalityBut only if you specifically go out of your way to do so. It doesn't HAVE to.You cross a few light years FTL, then perform a real-space boost, then travel FTL back. That's how you go back in time.So... what if you just don't do that? Maybe trying to fly such a path would cause you to run into your own past light cone, blue-shifted to infinity.
>>736592067Its the logical extreme of hardline materialism on full display
>>736592040Building a moon base should already be smashing any cynical upper limit that someone would have of human progress, but apparently it's just no biggie somehow and totally normal and expected.
>>736588027it's not a bad planet, in fact it's the best planetif you don't like it then fuck off, and fuck off spaceniggers we're full
Seems like the "Travelling to other stars is impossible" doomerism is a kind of religious cope>has to concede we occupy no special place in the universe>has to concede the universe is orders of magnitude larger than previously believed >but if we're trapped in our solar system we can still believe we're special :)it's like a kind of denial by plugging your ears and pretending none of it really exists
>>736592295Children of a Dead Earth, perhaps?
>>736592312>"cause and effect" = angelssee >>736591383
>>736580036>>736585051Billions of galaxies with trillions of planets are boring
>>736592295Simfags have the really bad habit of making moment to moment gameplay boring CBT that's more preoccupied with flight protocols than actual piloting. KSP is popular exactly because the mechanics are solid AND you can do funky shit without a bureaucratic interface.
>>736592457I like to think the universe has built-in mechanisms to prevent from crossing your past light cone even if you try>go to press the "warp" button>get heart attack>die>second in command takes your place>goes to press button>electrical failure
>>736582897AI post
>>736592390>>736592501Like the other anon already pointed out, you're making a fool of yourself just to hide your embarrassment.
>>736592506It's about as intresting as the Library of Babel.
>ctrl+f Noctis>no resultsWhy does this keep happening?
>>736585896Europa could have life
You don't need to travel faster than light to reach other stars faggots. Time dilation will speed up the journey for your perspective. The only true limiting factors are the expansion of the universe beyond a certain distance and saying bye to everyone and everything you left behind forever due to time dilation.
>waaaaa ftl will break casualitynigga just make some new photons at your new destination by shining a flashlight at yourself
>>736592481Holy Terra = Best Terra
20th century>humanity will overcome their differences, hold hands, and dominate the stars21st century>holy shit, most "humans" are worthless biomass that just want to steal or rape or kill me22nd century>finally, European man is free of gravity, we will never have to interact with nons again23rd century>where whitey at? quintillions for missions to Alpha Centauri but not a penny for the poor?
>>736592561??
you could literally colonize the entire galaxy and sublight speedsand if we were really unlucky and couldn't get out of our solar system, we can always wait thousands of years for another star to swing through the oort cloud and fly to that
>>736592567Mars almost certainly had life. Those splotches discovered recently look exactly like bacterial colonies.
>>736592624Space destinations casually being light years away still means that it will take years under the best theoretical conditions to reach anywhere when reaching those theoretical conditions already requires a literal infinite amount of energy.
>>736592457>Ok so FTL travel CAN violate causality>But it doesn't HAVE to.Yes it does. FTL = time travel, always.A hypothetical example where you just don't play into the classic examples of paradoxes (ignoring how you achieve FTL in the first place) still allows for a paradox to be created with the same setup. It can't happen.
>>736592676>you could literally colonize the entire galaxy and sublight speedsThis is the essence of the Fermi ParadoxYou can certainly do this at sublight speedsSo where the fuck is everyone? Surely SOMEONE would have done it by now?
>>736580036That's because you're brown. Exploration is a distinctly White male thing.
>>736592718>FTL = time travel, always.It doesn't. The combination of FTL jump + velocity change + FTL jump back is what locks in the change of reference frame and causes travel into the pastYou don't have to do it.
>>736592540You've replied to two different people twice to complain about the suggestion of samefagging and yet you still haven't acknowledged that you don't know what "causality" means
>>736579459KSP if you want science, Starfield if you want some "realism", No man's Sky/Everspace if you want to fuck around>>736591537he will you stupid for trusting him 100% or to think something is not possible because we don't have tech or the knowledge>>736591576there are forces in the Universe who goes faster than the speed of light (the universe is expanding faster than light)
>>736592716Stop speaking authoritatively when you don't know how relativity works.
>>736579601I thought this mission wouldn't really surprise me considering how much time I've spent with spaceslop but the eclipse photos and comms were incredible, I hope someone makes a real time simulator of the missions like the Apollo ones.https://apolloinrealtime.org/
>>736592675Theoretically there's everything you could ever want somewhere in there, but there's so much bullshit to filter through that it's hard to impossible to actually find anything of value.Read the short story of the Library of Babel if you haven't already, it's a top tier read and isn't long at all.
i like outer wilds and nuprey
>>736580036>I don't get the fascination with space.Because it's there.
>>736592782>and yet you still haven't acknowledged that you don't know what "causality" meansThis is literally a "no u" argument you've repeated several times now. If you're not capable of acknowledging that you've no position to keep crying.
>>736592734I honestly think the fact empires collapse frequently in our own history might have something to do with it. Is it even possible to maintain one continuous civilization over thousands of years without imploding?
>>736592787Why do you think a light year is called a light year, anon? Even with 99.99% light spd (since 100% is impossible), you are still taking years at minimum to reach anywhere that are light years away from your perspective.
>>736580375it's zoomed in, calm down
>>736582330Imagine you could run so fast in a straight line that at some point the earth curves below your feet so you start falling horizontally forever.
>>736592947What do you think the speed limit truly means?
>>736592947>making it to alpha centauri in 4 years is too long>even considering it will be like 2 years from your perspective
>>736580036Brown detected
>>736592674>european man>doing anything other than worshiping israellel
>>736593068>europe is america
>>736593103>>736593068>>736592674yuros will never go to space, they just aren't smart enough. a fucking leaf has gone to the moon before yurop put a single man in spaceit doesn't make sense for nonAmericans to be in space games
>>736579459>he never played Moon kino on the DS
>>736593145Europe won't go to space until it kills the EU. That shit so heavily regulates and controls the economy that innovation is almost impossible.
>>736592773Yes, it does. If you are traveling FTL you are necessarily sending information into the past whether you deliberately do so or not, it is very literally time travel and always creates paradoxes.The reference frame of the ship does not matter, observers in equally valid references frames will see the ship traveling backward in time, violating causality.
>>736592869That's a big shadow.
>>736579964Some day kids will read about this in school and laugh about how people used to get into rockets to go into space
>>736593145>>736593174europe already went to space 50 years ago ya pinheads
>>736593174yurop will continue to be stuck on the ground forever. only Americans, russians and Chinamen have proven smart enough to go to space. maybe japan will join us, but not yurop
>>7365932270/10 shit bait
>>736592784Spacetime is not a force and does not contain information. Nothing is actually moving FTL when space expands.>>736592852I accept your concession, but I expect a handwritten apology explaining why you understand that you were wrong soon.
>>736593216are you admitting russians and turks are yuropoors now? the belt of butthurt ex ussr/warsawpact/yugo countries on /k/ claim yurop stops in ukraine which is dumb as shit because all eastern yuros are retarded but like to larp like they are vikings and they take credit for western yurop achievements>>736593265why hasn't the ESA put a man in space? it's cause they can't.
>>736593180For you.
>>736592497Falls too much towards the latter.
>>736582803Starfield is anti-kino
The entire """american""" space project was a german operationGermans and Russians pioneered space flight while Americans made propaganda pieces to ride the coattails of a far greater people.American inferiority complex is truly something special to behold.
>>736593145America went to space because of Europe, then stopped because the Europeans dried up>>736593174The EU is essentially a yank construct to keep europe down anyway
>>736593281There are much less childish ways to save face instead of this embarrassing crashout of yours, you know.
>>736593314>>736593337>unironic Euro seethingOh man, that explains the aggressive retardation in this threadStill landed on the Moon btw, be back next yearWhat have you been doing for 50 years?
>>736580271I wish we had a remake of Alpha Centauri, because the original's controls didn't age very well.>b-but Beyond EarthNo.
>>736590978We will send nanobots to other planets and bring them here instead
>>736593314The Russians also had their space program made up almost entirely of germans. Everyone relied on the Germans for space anything back then. Shit the design of the Russian rockets were entirely made by one German man.
>>736593401>I AM LE AMERICAN CHAD UMAD?You just lost one of the most embarrassing wars in history to Iran btw
>>736593314Americans went to space. germans can't. the only things germans invented were trannies, tranny licenses, losing a world war and losing a world war twicethe US dabs on germany and yurop all the time>>736593337We literally just sent Americans to the moon, they are still in space. yurp is to dumb and poor for manned space flight>>736593401the yuropean retarded superiority posts are even fucking dumber when you consider like 90% of yurop stronk and smart posters are from the shithole countries like lithuania or bulgaria or hungry that have never accomplished anything it's like not even nazis or bong or frogs, it's like fucking porugese and yugoslavians
>>736586053this is real unlike space
>>736593445germans have never put a man in space because they aren't smart enough>>736593476>when your enemy kills your king, you win
>>736593179>observers in equally valid references frames will see the ship traveling backward in time, violating causality.Hmm I see what you meanThere might always be some reference frame in which the ship is travelling into the past. Instead of the ship itself performing a Lorentz boost, simply observe it from a suitably boosted reference frame.I'd still have to check that. Intuition tells me that the average null energy condition would be violated in such a frame, but would past-directed time travel also be observed?
>>736593371It's getting late and your routine is getting old, so I think I'll go to bed. But I'll give you this parting gift, please study it carefully so you don't repeat this embarrassing episode.By the way, did you have breakfast this morning? And how would you feel if you didn't?
>>736593516>when your king sucks the cock of a foreign leader and makes him start pointless wars on his behalf, you win
>>736593476Yeah we've been ruled by senile Jew-owned retards for decades and we're still going back to the Moon lmao, what's your excuse?
>>736593516Germans are in fact the only people who have ever put people in space or on the moon.
>>736580259>Be astronaut>Don't be photographer>Go to moon>Singlehandedly mog all photographers that have ever lived by taking this picture
>>736592734Why? It has taken millions of years of evolution of millions of species for just humans to start exploring space from earth. Our contact outside our solar system beyond just looking at something is an extremely small circle of influence. There are hundreds of billions of stars in our galaxy alone, nevermind the unfathomable vastness of the cosmos. I think Fermi is an idiot
>>736593574>foreign king dead>third world enemy countries of china, yurop, cuba and india have massive fuel crises>only 15 Americans died while thousands of thirdies are deadlooks like we won>>736593634nope. germans have never put a person in space. they were too buys inventing tranny licenses, losing wars and having foreign militaries occupy their capital. germany has not won a war in over 150 years. the country isn't even 160 years old by the way
>>736584684Kino game
>>736593646if you go look up famous photographs 99% of the time it's a combination of >was physically there>took a large amount of photos>cherry picked the best on>cropped it to look betterliterally the single most important skill a photographer can have is physically being there
Man this thread got real shit.
>They tested the laser communication system when nearing the moon>They were able to stream 4K video at a bitrate of 260mbps from the fucking moonArtemis 4 fucking WHEN? I need some 4K UHD Bluray tier moon surface video, and it better not get bought exclusively like NatGeo did for a bunch of photos from this trip
>>736593942>You can get better connection speeds from the literal moon than you can in most mid tier American cities
>>736593942the outside cam was pretty crap but I think it's because they set it to a really low quality level, they should get the SpaceX zoomers to set up the outside cams because they know how to make it kino
>>736594028The 4K test was only about 3 minutes long, they showed a very short clip of it during the astronauts sleeping on the last day, none of the regular footage we saw from the cams was using it.
>>736579459That is a beautiful photograph, god damn
At this point in time, humanity should be colonizing Mars and Venus. What are we even doing with our lives?
>faked the moon landing back in the 60s >the ai is now getting to the point where it can generate images and videos convincing enough to fool people>time to do the moon shenanigans againLol, space is a religion and NASA is a religious organization.
>>736594065>What are we even doing with our lives?The space race ended with the moon, sadly. Had Russia gotten to the moon first we'd have had people on Mars by the 80s, the fervor for America to do the biggest space achievement would have just been kicked down the road to the next bigger goal every time the Soviets beat them. Ironically the Apollo 11 landing ended up being the worst possible outcome for space exploration, it ended the progress.
>>736594065In the 70's the elites were systematically replaced or brainwashed by degrowthers that believe striving for things is heckin' racist and we need to abandon all our hopes and dreams and just sing kumbaya around sustainably sourced campfires for all eternity.
>>736585748Man, fuck KSP2. They copied this trailer to get everyone hyped then ruined the actual GAME they were supposed to put out afterwards
>>736594121https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3d6V1XJMwM
>>736594065>colonizing VenusAnon...
>>736594121>faked the moon landing back in the 60s>waited for AI for some reason
>>736594065I was typing a longer responce but basically this>>736594135The cold war gave Americans a lot of desire to spend the money and risk the lives needed to one up the USSR as much as possible, nowadays the public is too whiny about science spending, especially about space and has absolutely ZERO appetite for risking lives. Had Artemis blown up on launch it would have been the end of the American manned space program for a century. The reality is we're insanely risk averse to exploration nowadays. How many thousands died sailing the oceans to explore and find new shit like 2000km away? Now we're not allowed to have anyone die (even if they themselves accept the risk) trying to reach another fucking PLANET. It's honestly mind boggling that we've only had 3 people actually die in space in the 60 years we've been there, including about 30 years of 24/7 presence of at least a few people at once on stations, plus now 9 moon missions to land or orbit the moon.
>>736594301I blame women for this. If Columbia wasn't televised we would have had a city on Mars by now
>>736594301It's actually 10 moon missions. I assume you discounted Apollo 13 because the accident but they did still orbit the moon as part of their return trajectory.Orbit:Apollo 8Apollo 10Apollo 13Artemis 2Land:Apollo 11Apollo 12Apollo 14Apollo 15Apollo 16Apollo 17It will probably be 11 within a few years as China is blowing a shitload of resources into building Long March 10 to do a landing mission very soon, they want it before 2030 as a celebration for China's anniversary in October 2029, with plans to fall back to an orbit if they can't land. They're probably more willing than anyone to risk the lives for it
>>736594147the fuck are you even talking about, it's Trump who's gutted NASA more than any other president
>>736594281Yeah? You do need it because back then every recording of it was televised on a small ass tv, if you were to digitize that footage today then it wouldn't be as convincing or clean. So yeah, people have gone to space but they've never landed on the Moon. It wasn't feasible back then, considering the shit cans they employed. Moreover, there was no point in it. The whole Space Race was primarily to test ICBMs.
>>736579459Let's say there's resident evil in space. Not the alien clone dead space, actual resident evil like gameplay. What would be fitting enemies?
>>736583621Minecraft in space. It's mostly a blank slate modding platform that you mod into an actual game. Bring friends.
>>736579459Starfield
>>736594301it was a lot easier in the age of sail when you just just kidnap people and work them to death on your ships, pretty understandable most people don't want that anymore
>>736594452I think you mean Challenger, Columbia disintegrated when the Shuttle program was reaching its end anyway
>>736580375>Why does this shit look like a digital image?Because it is? Pretty sure no one's taking pictures on 35mm film rolls anymore.
>>736593312Nah Starfield is pure SOUL and KINO. One of the few games in the past few years to ooze passion.
>>736594301>It's honestly mind boggling that we've only had 3 people actually die in space in the 60 years we've been thereWould have been 0 if the Russians were incompetent as fuck when they decided to try and upconvert a capsule design into a fucking wannabe space station a decade before the technology was ready. All 3 of those deaths were solely from the Soyuz 11 disaster
>>736580375>WHY IS THE EARTH SO BIG FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE?Year after year you tards still need to be educated in how focal length workshttps://www.canon.ge/pro/infobank/understanding-focal-length/
>>736594559>>736594452the space shuttle also always was a flying coffin and we got lucky more people didn't die because of itit was meant to be a temporary program to be replaced by a more permanent successor in the 90's at latest, but then budget cuts happened, the successor never materialized and we had to keep using it despite everyone involved being aware another disaster wasn't a matter of "if" but rather of "when"
>>736580259what is the thingy on the left
>>736594559Yes Challenger with the teacher on board. If women weren't crying about it and defunding NASA we could have gone so much further
>>736594576To be fair, the only reason Apollo 1 doesn't count is cause they never made it to space to begin withAnd Gemini 8 easily could have been a Soyuz 11 tier disaster if Armstrong wasn't near superhumanly skilled and capable of stabilizing rotation while spinning out of control at 1rps
>>736594730None of your businessIt's Venus, the image was taken with a 40,000 ISO due to the back of the moon being effectively pitch black, so the relatively bright Venus just gets blown the fuck out in exposure
>>736594301>It's honestly mind boggling that we've only had 3 people actually die in space in the 60 yearschallenger and columbia both happened on TV and American lives have value. not even the whole russia and iran thing but yuropoors put basically zero value on yuropoor lives whereas we treat each American who dies in war as a much bigger deal than yuropoors treat 1,000 dead yuros inb4 something about muh school shootingsit's literally the 13/56 thing. it's why they reframed gang crime as mass shooting because literally no one gives a fuck about x on x crimes
>>736594462that would be obongo, retardo. he had to send that money to china
>>736594793It feels wrong to have the moon and Venus together in a picture without the earth. It’s like NTR.
>>736580259this is so cool my mind half thinks its just 3d art/ai
>>736594783Apollo 1 was never a space mission. they were testing shit on Earth and it caught on fire. it was never supposed to be Apollo 1, they just retroactively named it Apollo 1 later due to the deaths so they could say they died doing the Apollo missions.
>>736594873no it's objectively Trump who made the most budget cuts to NASA, like, it's not even a secret, the numbers are literally publicly available
>>736594793Huge benefit of having digital cameras with ISO equivalents miles beyond anything possible with film is that we can actually capture the stars now, unlike the Apollo photography
>>736594730>>736594793Venus, the morning star. Aka the planet that famously shines so bright reflecting the sun people thought it was a star for a long time
>>736594960it was obongo because he hated America and wanted to send the money to china, kenya and terrorist organizations
>>736594849>whereas we treat each American who dies in war as a much bigger deal than yuropoors treat 1,000 dead yuros200 US cities are more dangerous than London by the way
>>736594970one of the only benefits because film looks better than digishit but you can't make film with those crazy ISOs>>736595008I literally already addressed this. look up who the victims of those crimes are. it's very rarely interracial. no one considers them American and no one cares about them
>>736594978It's also where girls go to get more penis
>>736594978Venus, Mars and Jupiter all have magnitudes brighter than even the brightest star we've also known they were different from regular stars for thousands of years because people could notice quite easily that their movements were different
>>736595050those 200 include multiple cities with a 99% white population US whites are more violent than EU whites, mostly because they've been corrupted by nigger culture
>>736580417I believe there's co-op mod. Devs aren't planning to work on official multiplayer though, out of their scope or something.
>>736595137they aren't and there aren't. go on like the sex offender registry or the fbi's most wanted. it's like hundurans or el savadorians being mislabeled as white, which again, no one actually gives a shit about. pretty much all of the murders involving white people in the US are domestic violence
Planet 9 when?
>>736595246domestic violence which is far in excess of EU domestic violence again, corrupted by nigger culture
>>736595247the famas is really such a sexy gun
>>736595298>domestic violence? we don't do that in germanycool, we went to the moon and won both world wars and just kidnapped a guy from another country because we thought it was funny and shot his cuban bodyguards with shrink raysyou thirdies don't beat us in anything. it's why you can't put a man in space
>>736580538>What's so great about Earth?Life. The thing that doesn't exist on any other planet we've ever found. Fucking retard
>>736594121>AInigs trying to claim something else as theirsLike pottery
>>736587812This image is poison to my soul
Galaga, they even have a cabinet in the arcade here on Venus base 5.
Flat earth's feakin out. Seen a YouTube video of some guy claiming that the vids on board the ship are fake and that the word nasa in Hebrew means to deceive. Don't think he knows Nasa is an acronym.
>>736582765Kinda wish my dumb pc wouldnt crash and the gpu shit itself once i load on runway or get close to the ground.Either it is just amd being amd or im missing something here.
>>736593672To be fair, Fermi was operating from the assumption that UFOs exist. He took the 1950s reports at face value. So he was more or less saying>how come there are only sporadic UFOs instead of blindingly obvious alien civilization everyone we look.
>>736593942>Artemis 4 fucking WHEN?2028 apparently but we'll see
>>736587812>takes a few hundred years to reach a nearby star systemjust don't be a gen1 human meatbag.either go the brain upload cyborg route or go the mastery of biological immortality route or even just figure out the cryosleep/hibernation meme as a quick hack, ez. you don't need FTL.
>>736587812So what if it takes 10 years to get to the next star system?10 years ago was 2016, that was basically yesterday.
>>736579601perchance.
>>736587025Orion is a big ship
>>736591168>dust that acts like micro glass shards.Martian dust isn't like thatMoon dust yet, Mars dust no.
>>736591336Venus at 50-55km altitude would be fairly reasonable. 1 atm and 20C temp. But you're floating the entire time so it's annoying
>>736592795The corona is startlingly large. It provides so much unexpected texture. And apparently they saw 5 or 6 meteor impacts on the moon. It's a pretty active location.
>>736593627Me on the left
>entire us government and ruling class outed as pedos >suddenly nasa back on the menu after 50 gajillion years >going back to the moon but its just a flyby teehee no landing>suddenly all these high definition shots that just so happen manage to be during a high point of ai image editing Definitely not suspicious and absolutely not nothing to see here at all
>>736597939>>suddenly nasa back on the menu after 50 gajillion years>suddenlyThey've been building this shit up for year already, retard.
>>736594889lol
>>736580102Not even the Soviets implied that, which is reason enough to believe it did happen.
>thirdies seething as usual
>>736598014ah yes for a year and it just happened to be exactly during a time in which said pedo ruling class outing was reaching an apex. But then again who am i kidding you probably arent even a real person just a bot to keep the narrative focused on fake and gay space shit
we can't even have a proper space thread anymore because of jealous thirdies
>being skeptical of obvious fake and gay shit means you're a thirdy or anti science chud, how dare you question the church of science
>>736592869>>736579964I just want to be able to fly like superman. It's fucking bullshit that there are no videogames made for me. Gravity Rush 2, Just Cause 2 and 3 with mods, Sky Children of the Light, Megaton Rainfall and Superman Returns on console are the only games that get close if anyone is like me
>>736598093>Not even the Soviets implied that, which is reason enough to believethat it never happened. You can't disprove it, because in order to disprove it you'd have to actually go there, which was impossible. The Moon shit is like a religion, you have to believe that it actually happened and if enough people believe something then it becomes real.How do you disprove it? Here's the footage, it happened, the end. Don't believe it? Get there yourself, look for the flags lol. Yeah, okay.
There is nothing beyond the Firmament, stop believing demonic lies
>>736582695>The Earth is moving and rotating.And yet you personally, are not. Curious!
>heh if the earth would suddenly stop moving or rotating youd be suddenly flung forward at 24,000 mph can you believe these faggots believe that shit lmao
>>736587812What will never happen is a unified human space empire. With communication between stars taking decades, nobody is going to want to pay taxes to a government that might have changed by the time the funds get there.
>>736598258No you just look like a genuine retard putting fingers in his ears going "LA LA LA LA NOT AN ARGUMENT I DONT CARE ZOGSLOP GOYIM CGI MOON FAKE LA LA LA LA" You're a dumb monkey who drank out of plastic bottles too much as a kid
>>736598569By that point we'll probably move beyond needing taxes.
>>736579548I haven't played Space Engine for years, has it had many updates in the past decade?
>>736598651We haven't in the past 8k years, we won't in the future 8k.
>>736598014100% chance >>736597939 >>736598139 is from poland and is seething about the US going to space when he doesn't have indoor plumbing
>>736598651>By that point we'll probably move beyond needing taxes.
>>736598569dyson spheres, warp speed and all that was science FICTION that for some reason science worshipping faggots thought would actually be real at some point. like seriously they unironically thought that shit like star trek was gonna be real someday
>>736598123they never stop. I swear east yurop/yugoslavia only got internet in the last 10 years and are the fags everyone thinks are jeets
>>736598725nazis didn't have taxation?
>>736598213you're australian, thirdie
>>736579459X4 easily
>>736598258how do polish men clean toilets in london when there are no toilets in warsaw to learn on?
>>736579459>AI slopIs NASA even trying anymore?
>>736579459Waoh the moon is grey and full of craters. Next time in "Breaking News": water is wet
>>736581198>This pic looks so bland, is that it? That's what they went for?And then there's people like this anon
>>736579459Rayforce (aka Gunlock, Layer Section, or Galactic Attack).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZx5e_XAzlM
>>736583393>That Futurama episode where people in the year 3000 assume he started the moon missions because of that catchphrase
>>736598750Well why not? Everyone in the mid-century assumed that gravity and electromagnetism would be unified theoretically, and that gravity control would emerge as a natural technological development.
>>736598327Have fun in your fanatasy world, schizo. I'm sure the Soviets were in on it too and the cold war was just a farce for your amusement even though you weren't even born.
>>736599013You're just a religious zealot.
>>736598989No one knows where or when man first landed on the moon, but we think it went something like thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk0esR2s_P8
>>736592679We could also observe the "Monolith"
>>736591090Is that why they killed Kennedy?
>>736599045Can you throw yourself off a bridge to disprove gravity? That'll show those SCIENCE cucks for sure.
>>736592040These threads always attract retarded browns trying to look smart by either denying our accomplishments or claiming we won't improve in any way. I get it though, they'll never accomplish anything, so why should anyone else?
>>736596760Make sure you check which versions of the mods you have, I ran into an issue recently with the latest versions of Kopernicus breaking the game, but the older releases still worked.
>>736592734The most efficient way to colonize the universe is to spread the seed of life, not by sending actual colony ships. Think about it, what does it matter whether we send people or just genetic material? At sublight speed the people we blast off with won't be the ones who arrive anyway, and when the whole process takes a billion years it's the same outcome.We don't really know how life came to be on Earth, maybe we have a creator and his name was President Ook-ook-ook and he's from a whole other galaxy responsible for launching trillions of seed ships across the universe. Maybe a type two civilization hasn't harvested all the energy of their sun, instead they've converted all the matter from their star system into seed ships.
>>736592898Soviet Union collapsed, Russia still has a space program.
>>736593186School? Anon in the not so distant future when boys are born they'll be given a rifle and when girls are born they'll be given a hairbrush and a webcam.
>>736594462Turns out private enterprise is more efficient than government DEI contracts
>>736595298You'd have more domestic violence if you had to live with American women
Will they admit the cold war moon landings were bullshit propaganda when they land for real during artemis IV?
>>736594470you know they shot on film right? and all that high resolution stuff was cleaned up and scanned digitally.the live broadcast was grainy shit but the films are pristinehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBQT5ibKCkI
>>736600726They just shared a photo of one of the landing sites
>>736592506It'd be way, way more interesting if everything was closer together and it wouldn't take tens of thousands of years to get past the Oort cloud.
>>736600916Proofs?
>>736598337>elevator doors close>don't move>open and its a different placeYou gotta be retarded to believe this shit
>>736600115>Anon in the not so distant future when boys are born they'll be given a rifle and when girls are born they'll be given a hairbrush and a webcam.Kek gotta love living under the cuck regime.
>>736598764>nazis invented antisemitism
>>736600984I was there
>>736591326Venus is not a "hell world" We just haven't found the right spots to support us.
rocketry is cool and all but a complete waste of time.we have already fully reverse engineered the alien anti-gravity tech and I'm pretty sure they know how to do interstellar teleportation too.real space travel looks like this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y90xNI6DyY8
>>736598805Easily the worst X game you mean. Yes, even compared to Rebirth.
>>736587506>>736587664Jupes was the biggest menace in the early solar system when it was spiraling inward and rampaging through what is now the inner solar system. It was only when Saturn caught up and entered gravitational resonance with it, pulling both back to their current locations, that its path of destruction was halted. The true hero.
>>736602338I do not like that planet.Its ringed aura mocks me.
Helium Rain is free now? Play that.
>>736602405It won't have its rings forever. Then it will just be like a fat girl with no tits. Truly the worst fate possible.
>>736600984It's in this thread, scroll up.
>>736582803>Deus Ex Human Revolution looks 100x better more futuristic and prettiergrim
>>736587753The bigger the planet is the less relatable shit happens on it seems.
>>736600726>>736600984the landings were realthe photos were fake
>>736580538>What's so great about Earth?Earth is the most absurd place in the universe because it was here that intelligence evolved in such a way that things became conscious. I know, it sounds like something a Redditor would say, but if you think about it, consciousness is nothing short of a miracle.Materialists try to deny any religious or transcendental experience because it makes them feel superior. But it’s insane when they go so far as to scorn the very idea of intelligence, as if the notion that matter could become conscious and begin to reflect on itself were completely uninteresting, and not actually a mystery.To put it in perspective, it would be like you were walking through a forest, and suddenly a fucking tree started literally talking to you, and you replied, "What's so special about this tree? There are thousands of trees in this forest," and walked away feeling somehow enlightened.
>>736582803What the fuck is up with the trees on New Atlantis? They look so crusty and kinda ruin the rest of the city
>>736601157I can tank it
>>736603394don't forget the 93 atmospheres of pressure and corrosive acid rain
>>736603394Cloud cities are the wayRecent findings are that the clouds of venus are 60% water, not 100% sulphuric acid like previously thoughtSo it's not even that bad.
titan is the best candidate for colonization by far. it has actual hydrocarbons needed for organic chemistry, unless you want to bring every last gram of organic matter from earth you need this stuff to grow new plants and animals. could also be used for nearly limitless fuel.saturn doesn't have massive radiation field like jupiter either, and being the lightest planet the gravity is tolerable for maneuvering, could maybe even "land" and harvest hydrogen and helium-3.the rings are an inexhaustible source of water ice, very important for lots of things besides drinking too.the only slight issues is the surface gravity of titan itself is too low so you'd need some kind of centrifugal habitat, and the lack of sunlight but with nuclear power or fusion power you could overcome that.upside to low gravity is it makes space elevator very feasible.there is literally no other place that is as hospitable except earth. mars is a dead end, no magnetic field to protect against solar flares, no hydrocarbons, minimal sub-surface water ice, literally can't hold an atmosphere. it's just a dead desert.game unrelated.
>>736603506>Your floating cloud city has a catastrophic failure>the entire city plunges down onto the venusian surface>the entire population gets incinerated Sounds scary desu, fuck that
>>736603915>mars>minimal sub-surface water ice
>>736603950That's why we have checklistsEveryone double checks the flotation gasbags before going to bed each night.
>>736603950Actually because there's no oxygen on the surface of venus, you wouldn't get incinerated as suchSo it's not so bad
>>736603950>Some rare Venus only weather effect pulls the entire city to the surface
>>736603915This. On Titan literally all you would need to go outside is an oxygen tank and some warm clothes.
>>736603958It takes more than the presence of water to make a place habitable for humans. On Mars we would have to be mole people living underground to protect from radiation and micrometeorites and the only energy source would be solar. This would endanger surface greenhouses and building them underground with solar powered artificial lighting would be too energy intensive.
>>736586683Hi Bac Stealthmode, Herp sends his regards
>>736582803Walk around any major city irl and you'll see places more futuristic
>>736601009>jump before elevator hits ground>still get rektalmost like closed systems are closedif you throw a football up in a convertible, it will be left behindif you launch a homemade rocket high into the sky (on a day without too much wind) it curiously comes back down right around where you launched itcrazy too sky divers hell even that red bull space jump, didn't account for the earth spinning...curious
>>736604075bet there are something like a brine pool in the atmosphere, some weird spot that pulls you down instantly as soon as you fly over it
>>736604432>if you throw a football up in a convertible, it will be left behindbecause it gets caught in the wind
>>736604267Just scotch tape all the holes bruh
>>736604565Sorry, can't hear you over the sound of all this fuel
>>736587445>cheap but on the planet Cuckwinhmmm
>>736604869Any metals?
>>736604869
>>736604559exactlynow explain how gravity holds the atmosphere to spin with the earth if it's not a closed system
>>736604267>the only energy source would be solarHow is it better on titan? There's no oxygen there to burn all the hydrocarbonsYou'll need nuclear, and if you have that, you can have it on Mars too.
>>736605091>explain how gravity holds things down
>>736605091Gravity
>>736605157the hydrocarbons are mainly for organic chemistryif you want to grow food you need fertilizer.
>>736583864Space Trucker SimulatorThat's ED in a nutshell. I did play it all the way back in 2015 so it might be different now, though I feel that's unlikely
>>736605162>>736605185yes gravity holds air to earth despite the vacuum of space just existing at some point... my question though is how does the atmosphere perfectly spin with the ground of the earth?
>>736605382>yes gravity holds air to earth despite the vacuum of space just existing at some point...YesAir molecules are moving so fastAnd that speed is less than escape velocityShrimple as that>my question though is how does the atmosphere perfectly spin with the ground of the earth?It doesn't, that's why we have wind.
All the colonists
>>736604869Cheers bro!
>>736605453>It doesn't, that's why we have wind.rut roh, better brush up on your scienceearth spins at 1000mph, wind does not constantly blow at 1000mph+they say the atmosphere spins with the ground of earth because gravity but that would only work in a closed system- like how you can jump on a train/airplane and land in the same spot
>>736605531>earth spins at 1000mph, wind does not constantly blow at 1000mph+No, but it doesn't perfectly match the Earth's movement. It's always wandering around a bit.
>>736605382friction between solid planet surface and atmosphere gas
>>736605942https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDp1tiUsZw8i frickin love science
>>736605531>earth spins at 1000mphNot how rotation is measured. Earth spins once a day, i.e. half as fast as the hour hand on a clock. That's slow as fuck.
yes the difference in rotation speed from the poles to the equator is one of the causes of weather
>>736598569For this reason I hope we won't get near instant FTLThe more decentralized everything is the better
>>736605223>water ice on polesno fucking way.
>>736594160It could happen if we just stay in the upper atmosphere. Bespin that motherfucker.
