In recent years, particularly in 2025, everybody is reminiscing about when Iwata and Reggie controlled Nintendo and preaching about how they were so much more "pro-consumer" and "listened to the fans".Do people seriously not remember the many controversies of their era? Or are zoomers just too young to even know what happened back then?>the infamous e3 2008 and e3 2009 conferences, which were a giant middle finger from nintendo to all of their long-term fans>the entire period between 2008-2010 when there was a legitimate fear nintendo would completely stop making traditional games like mario, zelda, metroid etc and would focus entirely on "Wii *insert gimmick here*" shovelware>the imposition of the draconian Mario Mandate from the years 2009 to 2016, where literally EVERY SINGLE MARIO GAME whether it was a mainline game (eg. 3D Land, 3D World) or a spin-off (eg. Mario & Luigi, Paper Mario) HAD to conform with the aesthetic and gameplay styles of New Super Mario Bros>the abysmal state of online functionality on wii, wii u, DS and 3DS (which was intentional on iwata's part because he believed online multiplayer was "dangerous" for children)>the myriad cases during the wii u/3DS era when they took down fangames like AM2R and pokemon prism, in a fashion even more draconian than anything they do now>that moment in the early 2010s when they started cracking down hard on youtubers and streamers trying to monetize nintendo game-related content (these restrictions would not be relaxed until after iwata died and reggie left the company)>reggie/NoA initially refusing to localize xenoblade on wii because a JRPG targeted at core gamers didn't fit the casualized image they wanted to projectI could go on and on. It's seriously astounding just how much bullshit Nintendo pulled during the Iwata and Reggie days, and they've been completely forgiven for it because Eric and Snoys would rather whine about how "Switch 2 bad!"
>>736586476Iwata was awesome.Reggie was anti Japan and refuse to release a lot of cool games.
>>736586476didn't readswitch 2 has exactly one good game so far
>>736586476>the abysmal state of online functionality on wii, wii u, DS and 3DS (which was intentional on iwata's part because he believed online multiplayer was "dangerous" for children)This was a good thing and he was correct.
>Mario MandateMade up /v/ head canon that people now take as fact.
>>736586476Nah Switch 2 is much worse than whatever shit we dealt with then.
>>736586476Shut up bitch.
>>736587058Shut up, shill.
>>736586894Tanabe eventually confirmed it an interview. But /v/ loves to say he doesn't know what he's talking about.
Damn
>>736586476>reggie/NoA initially refusing to localize xenoblade on wii because a JRPG targeted at core gamers didn't fit the casualized image they wanted to projectIt wasn't just that they wanted to keep 3 excellent JRPGs out of their consumers hands, it was that they weren't releasing anything else to satiate those fans' thirst in that post-Skyward Sword Wii era. There was a reason why the fan movement to bring those JRPGs over was called Operation Rainfall. It was because there was a huge software drought! And yet despite that, Reggie and company seemed content to let the Wii and its fans starve. It's no wonder few showed up for the Wii U.
>>736586476Retard
People nostalgic for the Wii U era where either kids at the time or not actually there.
>>736587058>Nah Switch 2 is much worse than whatever shit we dealt with then.Nintendo becoming actual competition to other systems, having its own Steam-like storefront, gaining third-party support, dropping the ideas of amiibos as a physical DLC, and being a lot chiller than before (unless you poke the bear yourself first and several times) is somehow "worse" to nu-/v/
the people saying that just miss the haha funny sketches nintendo used to make like the muppets segment (which btw was one of nintendo's worse e3), the reggie vs Iwata fight, year of luigi (nintendo's worst fiscal year iirc), the whole reggienator/bill trinnen shit or Iwata doing silly shit like holding bananas.
Nintendo told their hardcore fans to fuck off in 2006. They were hated online around then.
All I know is Iwata and Reggie were down with anime tits, whereas the new guys are actual cock monglers.
>>736588749>Reggie >down with anime titswhat are you smoking?
>>736588054I was well into my 20s posting on here during that era and it was better. Getting random deals like the free Wii U game for buying Mario Kart 8 or getting $30 in eshop money for registering SMTIV and Fire Emblem Awakening mogs anything modern jewtendo does.
>>736588829There were anime tits before and now there are not. So he was down enough to let it slide at the very least.
>>736588854Club Nintendo was fucking awesome and the new My Nintendo rewards shit is fucking terrible.
'Ate me Iwata.'Ove me Yamauchi.Simple as.
>>736586476>the abysmal state of online functionality on wii, wii u, DS and 3DS (which was intentional on iwata's part because he believed online multiplayer was "dangerous" for children)And he was 100% correct. Children do not belong on the internet, especially unsupervised.
>>736586476You seem to be making your own revisionist history OP. Reggie and Iwata always committed to engaging with the hardcore
>>736586686spbp
>>736586894Most of the schizos rambling was made up head cannon. Not worth reading
>>736586476It's simple. Nintendo is so shit now that that time period looks better in retrospect.
>>736588458Yeah they really told hardcore gamers to fuck off by releasing Twilight Princess lol
>>736586476Nintendo has never been pro-consumers or listened to anybody.
>>736586476>RevisionismAnon, tendies thought they were pro-consumer when it actively happening.
>>736586476>>736587717Reggie ultimately was horrible for the company from a consumer POV. There, I said it. He pretty much singlehandedly set Nintendo on this path of being a soulless mass market normie slop producer, and the Japs had no choice but to go along with it when they saw how much money it printed.After looking back at the history, and reading his little autobiography book, it's clear he was just a goymaxxed slopmonger who only cared about soullessly moving Product™ at whatever company he was at.
>>736587336>confirmed it
>>736586476dont forget the shit build quality of their hardware and garbage accessories. my dumbass bought the ds earpiece and wifi adapter thinking nintendo would support both. the adapter worked once and never again, and the earpiece wasnt supported by nearly enough games to legitimize its existence
Some people can only like Nintendo when they're at their worst. That's the iwata era.
>>736589368Meh. i won't fetch the interview quote, because every time I do it, it just turns into people saying his claims are wrong due to some game.My point is that we got confirmation from a Nintendo producer, so the people claiming it doesn't exist nowadays are the ones making weird conspiracy theories.
>>736589540>I won't bother providing my claim I accept your concession
>>736586686SPBPFurukawa cocksuckers SEETHE when you tell them the Switch 2 only has 1 game and it goes against EVERYTHING the 6 years the Furukawa Era of Nintendo have stood for.Billions must play City Trial 2.0.
Nintendo also got a ton of shit during the Wii era for "pandering to grandmas" and all that nonsense.Now kids that grew up with the Wii are old enough to talk about how those were the good days.It'll happen to the Switch 2 one day too, it's already happening with the Switch 1.
>>736589540>can't provide evidence>by own admission the claim is disputed then it's not confirmation and you're just making baseless assertions
>>736586476Iwata took a paycut to save his employees jobs When have you ever heard of a pinky piggu ceo doing that lmao
>>736589749reminder air riders outsold sonic crossturdworlds
>>736586476this is all true And Switch 2 bad!
>>736589925keki played the crossworlds demo for like 3 minutes and it's so unbelievably dogshithard to believe sonic fans put up with this slop until i remember they're sonic fans
>>736590327Same lmao.
>>736586476For what it's worth, I agree with you and I've been saying mostly the same thing for years. Everyone hates on the Wii U, but I've always been a big believer that the Wii era was just as bad, if not worse, for many of the reasons you name. The problem is a lot of zoomers were too young to really see a lot of what was going on at that time. They have nostalgia for the Wii/WiiU because those were likely their first consoles. And Iwata gets a pass on a lot of his retarded decisions simply because he's so le heckin wholesome. The Wii sucked. The Wii U sucked. Price increases and corporate greed aside, the Switch era has been the best that Nintendo has been since the Gamecube
>>736588054fuck you miiverse was funny
>>736586476>>the abysmal state of online functionality on wii, wii u, DS and 3DS (which was intentional on iwata's part because he believed online multiplayer was "dangerous" for children)funny since I think online gaming ruined the FUCKING MEDIUM in the long term so he was sorta right.
>>736586476Wii and Wii U were incredibly bureaucratic times for Nintendo desu, especially in that 2008-2011 time.
>>736586686>>736589749Based and Sakuraipilled
>>736586476i feel like a purple pikmin
>>736591043me too
>>736586476>the infamous e3 2008 and e3 2009 conferences, which were a giant middle finger from nintendo to all of their long-term fansThey all sucked. Remember the Robot Chicken one?>Come on Reggie, give us Mother 3!Or the puppets?
>>736588230>is somehow "worse" to nu-/v/Yes, you'll recall the v in /v/ stands for Vidya. Where are the vidya? Nothing put out in the last 5 years come close to vidya released in the eras OP mentioned.
>>736586476Furukawa is literally just continuing what Iwata planned after his passing. Iwata planned to make mobile games, and I think had a plan for quality of life things and this I think included expanding nintendo IP
>>736591070>mfw
>>736589036This. Reggie was perfect. Iwata was perfect. Their time was the golden age of Nintendo, when the best5 games and products were created. Jealous dogfuckers and children love trying to tarnish and tear down everything that was good.
>>736586476Modern Nintendo fans grew up on the wii, it's been just about 20 years since the console came out.
>>736586476what's hilarious about the Switch era is how not only are third parties developing a lot more on nintendo's but are straight up mogging first party games in some ways LMAO. Such a fucking shame with game keys cards though
>>736591624The Wii was almost perfect
It's weird that a guy born during the great depression who did not play video games was responsible for some of the greatest games of all time, and then he passed the company to a game who programmed games and Nintendo immediately switched to casual shit.
>>736591748The wii was awful, it was just a gamecube with worse controls.
>>736591848That's because he did his job of just not getting in the way or being the anti-hero of devs.
Iwata was a terrible CEO who almost killed Nintendo. That's why he gets "praised" so much. From people who hate Nintendo and wish they died.
>>736591889Own worst enemy, Wii Could've just been GC 2 if they simply dropped the wii motion controls and allowed much more games to be used with the classic controller
>>736591475>Reggie was perfect. Iwata was perfect.Mental illness. Both of these retards made Nintendo worse.
>>736586476why can't nintendo just become a private company?
>>736586476>>the infamous e3 2008 and e3 2009 conferences, which were a giant middle finger from nintendo to all of their long-term fansImagine the FUCKING MELTDOWN it would cause on twitter if they did this again.
>>736591848A good leader delegates responsibility. If you execute it right you will have competent, worthy people at every step of the way. A CEO who knows almost nothing about their industry but knows people who do is worth more than a CEO who knows their industry but puts people in charge who can't.AT&T's Bell Labs invented the greatest technology of the 20th century and became one of the world's most powerful companies because one of their company presidents around the turn of the century decided that he needed to hire smart people to actually build the phone lines, and hired smart people who hired smart people.
>>736591946The WiiU was poorly designed but I dont think Nintendo's problems were Iwata's fault. Developmenet had gotten too complicated for one company to properly support two systems. When faced with two failing systems Nintendo (correctly) chose to save the 3DS over the WiiU.
>>736592215then why did new game output barely increase with switch??? wtf??
>>736586476Iwata benefited from an economy that wasn't tits up. Switch is a victim of our absolutely shit economy.
>>736586476pasta is for gay italians
>>736592215Iwata's problem is he took the wrong listens from the failure of the N64 and Gamecube. Nintendo's portable consoles were always the stars of the show, and Iwata rejected the early Switch idea they were originally designing for the Gamecube.
>>736586476I feel like Switch haters don't understand that it marks a TESTING ERA for nintendo and not depression. Depression ERA was 3DS and Wii U. Testing is where you occupy both a heavenly time and a hellish time. "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times" -Tale of two cities
>>736592306Because they had a bunch of WiiU titles that nobody bought that they could re-release. Under Iwata Nintendo became a very developer friendly company that didn't force crunch time or enforce strict deadlines.
>>736592759All I wanted was the switch 1 to still have:-New Excitebike-Pilotwings-Starfox-Kid icuras-FZero-Maybe some random NES revival game like balloon fight-1080-Wave race
>>736592905And we probably would have gotten most of that if Yamauchi were still in charge. Say what you want about asshole bosses and crunchtime, but it got us significantly better videogames.
>>736593000Yeah it's like Iwata planted a funny "post-history" ass idea for Nintendo with the Wii
>>736592905>-Kid icuraskinda pisses me off with how much FUCKING POTENTIAL this fucking IP has right now. Could've been the perfect God of War killer
>>736586476Reggie publicly stated that he hated the idea of M-rated video games on the Nintendo platform, so fuck him.
>>736586686and If I don't care about sport/racing spinoff shit it has zero.
>>736586476>>the abysmal state of online functionality on wii, wii u, DS and 3DS (which was intentional on iwata's part because he believed online multiplayer was "dangerous" for children)And yet those consoles had the most online functionality of their entire lineup. You could surf the net (very slowly), send your friends virtual mail of your dumb little drawings, post and engage with stupid shit on nintendo's social media etcMeanwhile the switch went back to being a games only console.
I miss Reggie
>>736586525Reggie was antiwhite and antijapanese.Completely destroyed NoA
>>736586476Next to none of those were "controversal", and are barely nothing compared to what the studio and AAA industry in general has become afterwards.Kids should NOT be doing online play, that's a fact. And Ninty was always a "kiddie console".The YT / Twitch streamer crackdown shit is a Jap corpohomo behavior in general, and were not caused by Iwata nor Reggie. The prime example was the 2020s' Capcom lawsuit that hit Hololive, resulting ALL big streamers "having to" request a LICENSE to play games online. This is heavily the #1 reason why the buzz surrounding the thing died; it didn't go anywhere, people just started taking extra precautions.The JRPG shit was heavily an AMERIMUTT thing. Microslop famously completely changed and butchered NieR (2010) for the Western audiences, changing the "pretty boy" young MC into a burly old uncle, on top of removing any references to questionable sexual behavior.Iwata was a nerd, a pro-programmer, and a very pro-consumer, often engaging with fan activities instead of stomping on them.And for the 7th million time, Snoy = Sony fags. (You) have been trying to push this terminology retcon for years now, troon.t: 1980s kid who's been on this site for 22 years.
>>736594581>22 yearslol no way 4chan's been around for 22 y->
>>736586476Back then we were naive and didn't realize how much worse it could get
