>investigating his own crime>confused by his own act of crimeWhat cause this
The manly urge to write bad plot twists.
It's only believable in that it is so retardedly nonsensical, and yet that's what he would be given that he's a serial-killer with zero aim in life due to being broken from a bad childhood.
>>736592304Born with thick skin
>>736592304He's just very forgetful.
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>>736592304if you want to lie convincingly, you need to believe your own lies. he's just immersing himself
>>736594335>immersingMore like submersing.
>>736592304>tfw David Cage goes "the plot twist should be that the detective is actually the bad guy!" halfway through development
Should've called the game Heavy Gaslight.
>>736593130It's not nonsensical at all. Watch those cop videos on youtube where they interview a clearly guilty person for murder. The human mind will do anything to cope
>>736592304I don't think Scott Shelby should've been the killer. The twist doesn't work especially when Manfred gets killed. Like we have to wipe our fingerprints so we can continue investigating like huh? Even if you get caught nothing happens but still so dumb
>>736592304I know that it COULD have been made to make sense if the stupid psychic connection stuff wasn't cut but I still don't believe that it ever would
Didn't he destroy all the evidence at the end?
>>736592304the easiest way to maintain a web of lies is to make it the truth.
>>736594431Heavy Gas>kid sees his brother die because his dad sat on him >as an adult he locks people in elevators after farting
>>736594860He could just steal the typewriter unc ledger and burn it, instead of merc him with a phone
Does the game even attempt to make this make sense? I don't remember how the twist is handled
>>736592304>drown kids because he watched his brother drownGood thing his brother didn't shit himself to death
>>736595012I think it was being shown to you near the end with his backstory
>>736595012No but it's not even the worst thing that the game never tries to make sense of
>>736595012It's reveal with backstory where his retarded brother fell into a hole and die like a bitch
>>736595012No, the game just goes WOAAAAHHH THIS IS WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED and then when Madison learns his name she's shocked even though she's literally never met him before. And Sony thought that letting David make another game would be super good. It wasn't.
>>736592643fpbp /thread
>>736595012NoIt also doesn't explain why Ethan has random blackouts like a narcolepticThe game originally had a supernatural component like previous Cage games, but they cut it last minute and replaced it with nothing.
>>736596470To be fair, Ethan might have severe brain damage.
>>736596470The reason it was cut is because David decided it was gonna be supernatural and most of the dev team told him it was fucking retarded. And to be fair, they were right. If Heavy Rain had introduced magic it would've ruined it completely, as opposed to only partially, because one fourth of the game is still very good. Namely, everything to do with Agent Nahman Jayden, Eff Bee Ah.
>>736596542>Glowie was the best route in Heavy Rain>Glowie was the best route in Detroit Become HumanMaybe Cage has a calling after all
>>736596493Then why did he always wake up holding an origami figure?
>>736596657Every game they ever did beyond their absolute worst one (Beyond: Two Souls) had some element of crime drama in it. Admittedly, Omikron discarded it very quickly for some complete horseshit, but Fahrenheit/Indigo Prophecy had a very good first third that has you see two sides of a murder investigation, Heavy Rain lets you just straight up solve the Origami Killer mystery as Jayden with some genuinely good police work, and the whole Connor/Hank storyline of Detroit is super good.Genuinely, if they just stuck to that they'd probably make some real good stuff.
i made the mistake of picking beyond two souls for my first cage game
>>736596902I'm so sorry, Anon. I'm not joking.
>>736596542whilst I do agree that the story would be better being grounded and not using supernatural stuff, they needed to completely write out Ethan's blackouts and rewrite Shaun's kidnapping by the origami killer, because that scene stands out as making zero fucking sense in hindsight and is just a red herring about Ethan being the killer for it's own sake without any actual rammifications (like, the blackouts NEVER happen again once in the story, it feels like a story contrivance that is then completely forgotten about)
>>736592304>Scott reads his own thoughts:>WHO (me) could have done this (abduction and murder) and why and HOW did he (I) do it (murder children)???They could have given him a split personality as an asspull or something to justify his conflicing thoughts as a narrator, but I thought they tried doing something like that and telepathy for Ethan during early development?
>>736596939Oh absolutely, but it was a last-minute removal supposedly because Cage just wouldn't fucking budge.
>>736596948The first scene he get is he got Asthma, and they completely forgot about it
>>736597101WRITING IS HARD OKAY?!
>>736596883The Connor/Hank storyline of Detroit is dogshitConnor is fine on his own, Hank is better dead
>>736596542>>736596657Detroit would 100 percent be so much better if it was only about Connor and Hank. Jayden and his gay future glasses was fun too
>>736597128Have you considered that it is (You) that is dog shit?
That's the thing about David Cage games. Literally every single one of them could've been pretty good if the plot didn't go off the rails and crash into a wall halfway through. Every. Single. Game.Detroit was the worst though. Not because the story became the stupidest, but because it had the highest potential. The first half the game is really compelling and the choices that you make have a lot of cool branching effect and you're wondering just how this plot is all going to come together. But then nah. We get 'She was really a robot!' and 'This guy is slave robot jesus! Do you get it?' and 'Ackshually he was intended to go deviant all along! Or something... But also assassinate that other guy even though that couldn't make sense, and also there's a big room with thousands of him for no reason.' Ridiculous wasted potential.
>>736593130>becomes a highly respected murder detective in a big city>zero aim in lifeBruh... Nigga, wanna know what zero aim in life looks like? Look at /r9k/ or those "4chan troll arrested" vids.
>>736597171I have. I concluded that it is in fact Hank from Detroit: Become Human and every scene that he's in, not me.
>>736597183Who respected him?
My favorite scene is when Madison hide in the fridge, and she just outside 1 second after explosion
JAAAAAASON!
>>736597356SHAUNSHAAAUUUNN
>>736594378Underrated kek
Say what you will about David Cage but the opening scene of Indigo Prophecy is one of the creepiest moments ever in vidya
>>736597467Guy stabbed in diner is pretty normal in America though
>>736592304He locked it away in his mind palace.
>>736597172>Literally every single one of them could've been pretty good if the plot didn't go off the rails and crash into a wall halfway through.What are you talking about? That is literally the best thing about his games.
>>736597467Was a good opening. And it's pretty much all the game has going for it. Unless you count how hilarious it is that there is a last boss which is a QTE dragonball Z fight in a previously-grounded thriller-style adventure game, complete with incredibly awkward animations and shots crudely traced from action movies.
>>736597623Nah. Deadly Premonition style is better. Just start out with your pants on your head instead of pretending you're being serious.
>>736597623True, it would be run off the mill drama and wouldn't be this memorable
>>736597172Kara's story started off fine but that reveal twist just made me feel like her story should've been cut entirely so retarded. I just had Kara and Alice die early on and got the worst ending with Connor going full deviant against Markus.
>>736592304The same thing that causes>character needs to find item inside their own house>player spends 8 hours game time ransacking house
>>736597681But Deadly Premonition largely takes itself very seriously which doesn't work for me at all because ultimately it's just "Everyone is an enormous sexual deviant. The end."
>>736592304the town made him stupid
>>736597815>But Deadly Premonition largely takes itself very seriouslyCome.The fuck.On.
>>736595012Kinda, but it clearly didnt work.The idea was that he was playing a detective as a cover to discover what people knew about him, i.e. the killer/kidnapper, and to remove evidence or even off people when he gained entry into people's homes and offices.It could have worked if he wasnt a playable character and simply a side character we interacted with throughout the story, maybe the first time when he meets Ethan. It would have recontextualized everything in a second playthrough.
>>736592304SHAWN
>>736597881It does. It has "quirky" moments but for the most part it's a serious story about serious subject matter that it does not take lightly at all. Do you think Silence of the Lambs doesn't take itself seriously because of the Lazzarus scene or some of Hannibal's witty lines?
>>736597960Deadly Premonition is PRIMARILY a comedy. The majority of character interactions are jokes. And you're saying it's super serious. You are a fucking buffoon.
>>736598024No, what Deadly Premonition primarily is is stupid.
>>736597960It's a serious story about serious subject matter all presented through a character that insists on making film references to everything he can and dramatically overreacting to the most mundane things possibleIt is serious, the game rarely takes itself as seriously as it is though
>>736597960Nigga the game start with guy talking on a phone, using laptop, smoking while driving
>>736598113The game was made by a Japanese person so he probably thinks that's really cool and not laughably stupid.
>>736598137It IS really cool
>>736596542Yeah but you can't just leave a gaping plot hole like that in your story-driven game and not deserve to be laughed out of the industryDetroit was surprisingly decent but QD really didn't deserve to make anything after Heavy Rain.
>>736598296If they made nothing after Heavy Rain there would be no full detailed 3D model of that one dude's vagina
Moral of story is you should beat your kid more so he won't run off on his own
>>736598376I hit the little fuck in the face with a stick, dudeWhat more do you want from me
>>736598346I am thankful for Kara
>>736598417Go for throat next time
>Be Ethan>Pass out>Wake up with japanese paper mache>Kid's gone>Am I the killer(basedface)!!!??
>>736592304Was it ever explained about what happened to the whore ex boyfriend? If he died trying to save his son through the killer test wouldn't the cop find his body?
>>736598296QD never deserved to make anything after Omikron or Fahrenheit, but they got that Sony money because they pioneered the whole moviegame drek. You can blame them for all the trash Telltale made, TWD was outright made because the Telltale guys played Heavy Rain.
>>736598884I think he is the body Ethan find in the glass tunnel
>>736598938That was an alternate Ethan
>>736598938Or that could be the other guy that went missing. There were two fathers that vanished. Both white. Whereas the filthy non-white foreigner made no efforts to save his son.
>>736592304obesity
>>736599418Some people might think you're joking, but fat people are masters at self-delusion. You can check that by asking some fat fuck about their eating habits. Without fail, they will respond with "I barely eat anything at all". David Cage is a genius.
>>736599397At least it's realistic
>>736599485>but fat women are masters at self-delusionftfyFat men generally acknowledge they're fat because they eat too much/poorly and/or don't get enough exercise. Fat women are the ones that tend to make out like they've done nothing wrong and being fat is a terrible disease that has been inflicted upon them for no reason.
>>736596902>>736596931Explain in detail why Beyond is dogshit without mentioning the obvious worst parts (Native American filler chapter and Homeless chapter).
>>736600105>explain why it's shit without mentioning parts where it's shitHows about suck my fucking dick
>>736595064The. It would have been Chocolate Rain
>>736600105Ellen Page is really fucking ugly and a massive step down from all the sexy ladies in David Cage's other games.
>>736600105Beyond: Two Fuck's main issue is the way its story is structured, in that it's told non-linearly. You jump back and forth in time in Jodie's life, and the event structure alongside means a lot of what Jodie goes through is without context until given way later in an attempt to build intrigue, but the answers are invariably extremely shallow or uninteresting. This only gets worse when game overs are a failure of the game designer, because of the story structure there's little to no way for any events to meaningfully change at all, annihilating any possible tension because in all of Beyond: Two Genders' QTE segments you can put the controller down and nothing will change, with only one exception and that's because you essentially get a glorified failstate in a game explicitly designed to not have failstates.
>>736600207What you didn't like the bar scene?
>>736600105>Obvious worst partLike the whole fucking game?
