About to play the Diablo series for the first time, starting with 1. What am I in for?
>>736600158The Butcher is an ultimate pleb filter.Play the Rogue. She's fun, easy and has cute death moans.
endless dungeons and some fresh meat (you are the meat)
the surprise a few minutes in of "wait, that's it? that's the combat?" and the sinking realization that boomers were playing what is essentially Vampire Survivors garbage but in slow motion
you'll be complaining at the walking speed
>>736600158Death
>What am I in for?A slow dark isometric tile-based real time hack and slash that is somewhere in between Rogue and Gauntlet. You go down a dungeon and defeat the big bad. Very nice atmosphere.I don't want to be a downer but I'm not sure you'll like it, unless you are older.When it came out it was extremely cool, but since its release so many games have been released that do similar stuff, some arguably better.If you want a dark gothic punishing dungeon crawler the Souls series is an obvious and fantastic modern take.If you want topdown/isometric hack and slash games there are like hundreds of them. Some more whimsical, some with a different setting like pirates or sci-fi, some much faster, some with jumping, some with darker horror elements...Not being a "hater", I like the game but I'm assuming modern players would prefer a modern shooter to Doom (1). If you are open minded and patient and can like things understanding their context then it's a very solid game. If not you'll get bored fast.Some things I like about it, this is very specific but whatever, is that many details weren't as "streamlined" and forgiving as in modern iterations of the genre. Even if it's just for flavour. For example, in more modern diablo-likes your health, mana or both slowly recharge automatically, and you might even have recharging shields like in halo. In diablo 1 you had what you had, it didn't go up. Mana was expensive. Items had negative magical attributes. So you could find some robes that gave you more magic casting attributes, but they leeched HP from you from example. You could break items forever. You had much more limited inventory space and gear slots.I love those aspects of the game.
>>736600158Start with 2
>>736600158You're in for the best Diablo game. Go in totally blind and don't listen to anyone on how you should be playing the game.
just a boring grind kind of an archaic design by now
D1 is great but D2 is the master piece, play through 3 once and absolutely ignore 4
>>736600158I don't know how familiar you are with ARPGs but do not treat Diablo 1 like it's D2/PoE/basically any other ARPG which is some iteration of D2. The game is far slower paced. Your resources are limited. You are not a god who can easily cleave through a screen full of demons every second. It's far more methodical.
>>736602179>You are not a god who can easily cleave through a screen full of demons every secondfire wall
1. Play DevilutionX and turn on "All Quests" in the options. If you play the normal game, only a handful of quests out of a pool spawn. This is neat in theory, but it also means you'll miss out on some things if you only play it once.2. Play warrior. He's basically what the game is balanced around. You can fight, you can use bows, you can sometimes cast spells.3. Speak to the townsfolk frequently.4. Yellow Zombies don't deal a lot of damage. Don't waste your mana on them. Fight them in melee.Otherwise, enjoy the game. It's a shame that every other ARPG in existence takes after Diablo 2 instead of 1. D1 is a very special experience for the horror-aspect and how it encourages you to use every tool you come across.
>>736602496Seconding this but I will also add that you should DISABLE HELLFIRE AT ALL COSTS DO NOT PLAY HELLFIRE
>>736600158A super cozy game. If you're playing PS1 expect to have a very tired thumb when you're done because the whole game is basically just mashing the X-button.
>>736602037Should I read the lore in the manual before starting?https://www.diablowiki.net/Diablo_I_Manual
>>736602496>4. Yellow Zombies don't deal a lot of damage. Don't waste your mana on them. Fight them in melee.Kek. Don't do this ever. Also stay away from shrines.
If a shrine reduces your mana pool, reloadIf a yellow Black Death zombie hits you your max HP is permanently reduced by 1, reload
>>736600158Atmosphere, satisfying inventory, explosive barrels, spellbooks, slow walking, lore. You can get unique dialogue from every NPC for each quest in the game, and it's always worth hearing.
>>736602601Yes. It's a more elegant manual, from a more civilized age.
>>736602627I refuse to save scum. I'll only be saving in town. Plus those are part of the gameplay.
>>736602496Good post.D1 runs at abysmal frame-rate without this engine port.QoL are also nice.>>736600158Sorcerer is easy mode.Warrior is hard mode.Rouge is faggot mode.
My favorite thing about Diablo 1 is the way that you'll encounter enemies as soon as level 5 who are flat out immune to some damage types. You even encounter double immunes in normal. D2 babies would shit their diapers over not being able to just frozen orb meteor their way through.
The sanctity of this place has been fouled.
>>736602496Yeah I'm using DevilutionX. I turned on some "QoL" features like show enemy health bars, auto pick up gold and faster walk speed in town. I disabled the randomized quests
>>736602712I wouldn't recommend sorcerer to noobs since they are likely to burn through their mana way too quickly and die. The difficulty curve for them is so weird.
Rapid progression from a dark fantasy dungeon crawler to a soulless skinner box with lol so randum cows xD
>>736602712I actually locked the framerate at 20fps with Rivatuner. Atmosphere feels better than when it's running at 60+ imo
>>736602869Not everyone is a masochist.
>>736602831Turn off enemy health bars. That's not how the game is meant to be played. It gives you way too much information.
>>736600158gameplay aged like milk, D2 is superior in every way besides atmosphere
>>736602835It's harder to die because you are very unlikely to get hit at all.You end up filling your inventory with mana pots true, but your power comes from buying and finding tomes, even early game is much easier once you realize you just have to play like a bitch.Even immune enemies aren't a problem because there are so many overpowered spells for each element.Downside is you don't care much about loot because you don't need it.
>>736601846Yeah as someone with no nostalgia for Diablo 1 it's not bad. I think the story, music, atmosphere, voice acting is unmatched. The gameplay isn't bad either and worth a playthrough but there's some clunky mechanics of Diablo 1 that bog it down that get fixed in Diablo 2.
>>736602985Alright
>>736603136To be fair, if you don't get to get hit at all, you pick a Rogue. She's similar to the Wizard, minus the faffing about. Sure, it'll take her longer to kill shit, but she's efficient.
Ranged units moving faster than you lmao
>>736603213>Cast spell twice>Room clearedDoesn't apply to retarded expansion pack, you understand it's not made by the same devs as soon as you get there.I don't think you can get more efficient than that. I would say playing Sorcerer is almost like playing completely different game, sure you can cast spells with every character but you get what I mean.
>>736603260That's why playing as a fighter is a pain.Fighter is bullshit in general from the very start. Because AT LEAST the Rogue and the Sorcerer can kite the Butcher.
>>736603260That's not true. They move at the same speed.
>>736600158>D1: Alpha for D2>D2: Best game of all time>D3: lol>D4: lmao
Diablo 1 was more about positioning and taking advantage of terrain. Some enemies were HARD filters and became famous for it (The Butcher) Anyway it was intended for short, fast-paced replays like all roguelieklites.Diablo 2 was when autists latched on and birthed the GEAR GRINDAN GAEMS genre. Thanks, Baal.
>>736602601>Should I read...the manual before starting?Man, we live in fucking bizarre times.
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>>736604709I was looking for this one.
>nu/v/ doesn't like D1filtered
unmatched inventory soul
>>736604437Yeah I can see why people love Diablo 2 but what I really liked about the first game was how simple it was. Just one dungeon with perfect pacing and progression with just enough weapon and build variety to allow customization while still relying primarily on positioning and decision-making. When I booted up Diablo 2 and saw that it had a stamina meter and a skill tree I was kinda put off by it.
>>736607307>Click on items in your inventory>They make cool soundsForgotten art.
>>736600158Do NOT open that door until you're at least level 5 or 6 if you don't wanna have a bad time. Or cheese him by getting him stuck on some level down stairs and arrow him to death
>>736601846>"I'm about to play this game, what am I in for?">"Oh my heckin stars good for you trying something new but ermmmm the clunkyness, OOOOOOHHHH THE CLUNKYNESS! IM NOT HECKIN HATIN BUT IM JUST TELLING YOU PLAY THESE OTHER GAMES INSTEAD"You should play twister in traffic, anon.
>>736602601If you're going to read the manual then read a scan of the paper copy, not a fucking wiki page.https://archive.org/details/diablo_202306/mode/2upWhat the fuck is the point of reading a game manual for the lore if you don't even get to look at the art? Don't be so fucking stupid.
>>736608598Sorry?There are lots of threads of people saying like wooooow you guys recommended Dragon Quest 1 (just an example) and it's actually so unc and slow and nothing happens!
>>736608741Those are bait and/or worthless child opinions.Nobody who says "unc" deserves to enjoy a video game.
>>736604709that knight design is cool af. wonder why we didn't get that on d2
>>736609056Too much soul
>>736600158Shit's about to get real, isn't itgame is kino so far
>>736609481>Only 1 health potFresh meat!
>>736609529..Yeah, I'll go buy some health potions
>>736603472It's a gear check, if the warrior has a decent ias weapon the game becomes much smoother. Then it's just a game of kiting the enemies to choke points and avoiding ranged volleys, and when you throw in spells I find it fun. Spells are mandatory for warrior late game and they make it much more interesting in general. You can use either teleport or stone curse to deal with ranged enemies, and you can scout the areas carefully to use telekinesis on the switches before teleporting to the stairs.
>>736600216Diablo 1 has the most balanced combat of any ARPG. Your comment shows you only waved your sword for a moment as a warrior.
>>736609481I'm still mad that the DevilutionX devs removed the old-school transparency effect, the justification being>it appeared that no one used it or prefered itbut they didn't ask me. I used it. I preferred it.Developers making decisions based entirely on what, Discord feedback? I have to join some private zoomzoom chat room for my opinion to count? What a nightmare we live in.
>>736600158Rogue my beloved
>>736610428>that fucked-up handSo this is what those early gen AI models that couldn't do hands were trained on.
>>736610391What transparency effect?
>>736604517Zoomies gonna zoom zoom.They'd rather read a wiki made by some trannoids than the masterfully and lovingly crafted manual
>>736610778I'm assuming he means dithering. Instead of the pixels having a transparency value the walls were see-through with some pixels being 100% opaque and others being 100% invisible.
>>736610391>>736610778>>736610950Just loaded vanilla to compare, I like the new effect personally
>>736609056They appear as statues right before the Chaos Sanctuary waypoint in D2. And they turn their heads to look at you sometimes.
>>736610950Yeah, that. Also used for character dialogue text boxes. You have to use DevilutionX version 1.3.0 or older if you want the soul back.
>>736611703>And they turn their heads to look at you sometimes.real?
>>736612763WTF its true
>>736600158Skip 1, play 2, then skip 3 and 4.
>>7366129612fags deserve a rope
>>736611703>>736612865:/I've had Diablo 2 since its release and had never realized this
>>736612961Why? Diablo 1 is kino so far
>>736600158How the fuck did Blizzard go from thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8klPYjS3wsto holding tranny parades in WoW?
https://youtu.be/KxnWjyvmpnISuch a good trailer. Luv me Paul Eiding
>>736600158D1 is so simple. Auto attack and each class is expected to use spells. If you just want to get through it just use the rogue
>>736613314x2
>>736603573>the two women heroes are hiding while the white males get murked by El Diavolo himself>a nigger is coming to save the damselswhat did Blizz mean by this?
>>736600158>About to play the Diablo series for the first time, starting with 1. What am I in for?Diablo 1>10 to 100 damageDiablo 2>10 to 1000 damageDiablo 3>thousand to quadrillion damageDiablo 4>Diablo 3 with a cosmetic store
>>736615915Found this bad boy last weekend. It’s crazy how simple the magic enhancements are compared to later games.
>>736615318The original paladin is not a nigger, just a black man.
>>736616353He's not even black, at most he's southern Italian.
>>736616616he is literally african black as designed by a black american
>>736600158I played the Beezlebub mod The hell level is really hard unless you cheese through it. Even as sorcerer you basically have to avoid getting hit, even one hit and you'll be stunlocked to death
>>736616000I like how, despite being simpler, gear matters a lot more than in some other games because that's where most of the damage or protection comes from and not a natural consequence of your stats. No need for equipment that lets you make a frankenstein character of every class, just add knockback to a bow and it blows the player's mind
>>736616752I like how Belzebub adds quests, but I really don’t like how it gets rid of permanent stat loss from shrines or Black Death. Those are big parts of the game and should have stayed. Also not a fan of how it gets so grindy once you reach the Caves. Enemy HP bloat goes up way too fast and some boss monsters are just too strong. The succubus quest is pretty sweet though.
>>736602496DevilutionX is a crutch, and the game is balanced around only doing some quests.
>>736600158diablo
>>736616642he mulatto
>>736600158Disappointment after 2
>>736617650he comes from a jungle full of pygmies
>>736600158Oh shit, the narrator is Colonel Campbell from MGS. I thought his voice sounded familiar
>>736604627>>736604709The most important indicator of blizzard's declining qualityhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpynR5fFRo0
>>736620854>California and Israel should get NukedChill out Anon!
>>736600158A subversively basic game, whatever that means...
>>736614575Jewish subversion.
>>736600158>the Diablo seriesThe what? There are only two Diablo games.
>>736600158Fun series that devolves into the horrifying autism of Lower Kurast runs.
>>736622594D3 was fun on goystation 3 in offline co-op.
>>736617421I agree with you in theory but I don’t think it’s that much of an issue. It only ends up being 10 more magical items anyway, and it’s unlikely you are going to be using all the uniques.Besides, getting Warlord of Blood AND Lachdanan in Hell makes the pace of the last few levels much smoother.
>>736600158Every person who told me to skip Diablo 1 and go directly to 2, can you kindly gtfo of this thread
>>736622594This guy gets it
>>736600158A good game followed by a bunch of really bad games.
>>736608286It would have been fine, I think, if the game still had the pacing of D1. But it really really did not understand what made D1 tick and is a completely different game that looks similar.
>>736625146D2R/D2 > D1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> D4 > D3
>>736624219Once you go using all the quests, fast walking in town, 60fps, shared stash, you might as well just admit you're looking for Diablo 2.
>>736600158OP here, been playing for 8 hours straight. Game is great>>736625146>>736625319Are 3 and 4 worth playing for the story atleast?
>>736625445What's wrong with all quests and fast walking in town?
>>736624428>Making things up.No Anon would be so retarded.Zoomers aren't real.
>>736625467>been playing for 8 hours straight>Chain Lightning isn't the default spellHuh?Do you ever visit the Which to buy spellbooks?
>>736600158D1 is to D2 as Terminator is to Terminator 2. It's almost a perfect analogy.
>>736625732>Witch>>736625467
Kino game, make sure to check out hellfire at least once for the extra areas
>>736625467D3 has an ultra retarded story.
>>736625531The game isn't balanced for it, you're going to wind up with a power fantasy.
>>736625445No because those limitations aren't what made D1, D1's pacing, approach to spells and stats and magical gear, and closer to Rogue structure are what made D1. Those don't change with or without QOL. D2 is different on a fundamental level.
>>736626516Fast walking in town is not going to break the game you obnoxious faggot.
>>736625467The story is the worst part of 3 and 4.
>>736625467The only good story act in D3 was act 1, the rest was pretty ass, haven't played D4 but it will almost certainly be worse
>>736626671forgot to add that diablo 3's first act is pretty much just a copy paste of diablo 1's story, but in hd
>>736602496FYI the yellow zombies permanently debuff you and reduce your health. Avoid getting hit at all costs
>>736626546Not really, none of that is worth getting hung up on. You're just willfully not seeing what you actually want. Strike me as a hipster.
>>736626602There are times playing where you think maybe I wont just go to town and sell stuff yet, because it will take a minute. Now that you can run you break the game further. These details are constantly overlooked by faggot players. Same type that are always suggesting "fixes" to games everybody loves.
I love vanilla and ive played the hell 1 and 2. Which other mods are good?I hate that no other arpg hits the feeling of d1. Grim dawn is closest but even it speeds up eventually. Apparently every other arpg player wants to teleport around one shooting stuff.
>>736627293I just TP back when my inventory is full, not like I've got anything better to do all day.
>>736627229Please take your faggotry to Reddit. 20% faster movement speed in town has no effect on the meat and potatoes of the dungeon crawl.>>736627438Belzebub is kind of worth checking out as sort of Diablo 1.75. Several changes, generally keeps vanilla feel, some are great, some are not great. I would still recommend it to someone who has played loads of D1 and wants “more”
>>736627229You are fucking retarded.
>>736627572What's different between beelzebub and devilution?
>>736627293Not my problem.
>>736625732She sells spellbooks? I never realized. You're right
>>736627804Bruh. . .
>>736600158A friendly reminder that without Diablo 1, you wouldn't have joys of experiencing such classics like Dark SoulsDiablo>Phantasy Star Online>Monster Hunter>Demon's Souls>All the subsequent rollslops
>>736627293>There are times playing where you think maybe I wont just go to town and sell stuff yet, because it will take a minute.Ah, the ol artificial difficulty via dogshit controls logic. Default walk speed wont stop me from returning to town, it just makes it boring.
>>736627438Have you tried Sacred? It's a bit slower-paced.
>>736627804Merchant inventories are randomized every time you go to town by the way, so you can reload the game and check if anything good appears. Griswold also has good shit on him sometimes.
>>736627684DevilutionX is a straight sourceport of vanilla Diablo 1. There are very minor OPTIONAL QoL tweaks available in the config, but it is essentially the best way to play classic Diablo 1. It also has fully functional multiplayer with the option to enable full quests in multiplayer. For the zoomers out there, original D1 only included The Butcher in multiplayer, and he didn't even drop the cleaver. I'd recommend DevilutionX to any newbie who wants to play classic D1 and see what the fuss is aboutBelzebub is a Polish port of Diablo 1 that includes several gameplay "reimaginings" while staying in the general confines of Diablo 1. Classes all have a truncated skill tree, giving you additional unique skills at levels 5, 10, 15, 20. Spell books are still your primary way of learning magic. There are a lot more unique items, including sets, which did not exist in Vanilla. Some new monsters. The biggest change you'll notice is that the mod uses a lot of data that was cut from the original game to add on 8 or so brand new quests in the Catacombs, Caves, and Hell. There's a lot of workmanship put in these with more elaborate scripting than something like the Poisoned Water in classic. HOWEVER, this leads to probably the biggest issue that I have with it where the mod just isn't in a well balanced state. You are encouraged to go back and re-grind floors or quests multiple times because many boss monsters are just way too powerful for when you find them. It's kind of like if you had to face a Butcher on every single floor of the dungeon. Still, it is a very interesting mod to check out. It's mostly well put together and higher quality than something like The Hell. I'd recommend it to someone who has played Diablo 1 twice and wants to experience something a bit new and a bit familiar.Anyone have that .gif of the "Gaylord of OP" Hell Knight with no hormone immunities?
>>736600158A really and truly dark fantasy with a gothic horror atmosphere. A lost art for today's Blizzard.
>>736600158play diablo 2 then path of exile
>>736630390I played PoE 2 and it was so bad that I went back to playing Diablo 2 for the first time in years.
>>736631384D2 sucks compared to POE its a unfinished campaign thats it
>>736631454PoE has dozens of hours of content and none of it is worth playing. It's the gaming equivalent of sniffing glue all day.
>>736600158lots of footstep sounds
>>736627229>the core gameplay and design aren't what matters>no instead it's framerate and walking speed in town and randomized quests>if you don't want those you want to play Diablo 2!Are you able to breathe on your own?
>>736631859Not my problem.
>over quarter of century later>no good diablo 1 clonesIndie devs are hacks.
>>736634845If I knew how to code I'd make D1: third person edition and become rich.
>>736635059I'd kill for a VR version. Where the fuck are all the VR dungeon crawlers
>>736632086>and randomized questsconfirmed for not having played Diablo 2we're talking about removing the randomization, bringing the game closer to Diablo 2
>>736629508Belzebub is turning Diablo 1 into 2
>>736628134You remove tank controls and make the camera over the shoulder and suddenly why not knife every zombie.
Don't play resurrected, most of them have weird faces ( i think they "fixed" some)
>>736634845Flare RPG is Diablo 1 in an open source engine.
