>186 Pokemon, Less Pokémon than Pokémon Stadium 2>No 6v6 battles>Performance issues even on Switch 2>Slow, clunky menus>Always online required, no more local wireless battles>Tons of competitive items removed>Rental Teams becoming completely useless>Have to add all your friends again, doesn’t use your Switch friend list>No single player content at all>all locked to 30fps
Kill yourself eric
>>73660221540 year old virgin obese timmycels wont care because it has KANTOOOOO and 'zard
This is all because it's designed to be easily accessible to phone retards.
Don't care, still gonna use Showdown. Anyone with half a brain knew this would be a disaster.
what do you mean they didn't bother adding gen 2 hits such as unown and stantler to the competitive pokemon containment app :wilted_flower_emoji:
>>736602431The competitive format uses restricted mons. If the devs want a game without legendaries they ban legendaries, if the devs want Unows to be used they can just restrict it to weak Pokemons. Your point is stupid
>>736602215Doesn't the switch 2 version run at 60? What about mobile?
>>736602215The worst part for me is the bot battles. You lose to Peliparch once and you have to sit through a humiliation ritual vs a lobotomized heracross, scummy Fortnite tier shit to keep casuals engaged
>>736602215>no pve>no co op>transactionslop>fomoslop>dailychoreslop>abysmal dogshit art style>atrocious animations>crossdressing woke crap>female gallade>will still make millions within a week because nintards are literal goycattle kikeslave subhuman slopeaters who deserve to be replaced by niggers and poojeets
>>736602629They didn’t release the Switch 2 patch for some reason. They also lied about the launch time (they released 40 min early) probably trying to stagger downloads
is this gacha? gross
>transferring from pokemon home only alerts you if a mon is usable in champions>doesn't tell you if one of it's moves is banned in champions until it's already transferred over>have to pay to replace the move or transfer it back to switch off the move for freeDid no one notice how incredibly stupid this was during testing?
>>736602215Mobile game.If this was Switch exclusive (and ILCA had nothing to do with it; seriously why are they still working on Pokemon), it would be the Stadium 3 we've been waiting for.But instead this makes Battle Revolution look like a masterpiece.
>>736603489yeahyou get one free roster check per day, then recruit one of the mons that show up, either temporarily or permanentlygame is full of transactions, even for held items on top of making adjustments to stats, abilities, nature, movesthey couldn't keep the monetization locked to cosmetics, they know they'll get more money from retards
>>736603497People who still play Pokemon don't have standards
>>736603557>If this was Switch exclusive (and ILCA had nothing to do with it; seriously why are they still working on Pokemon), it would be the Stadium 3 we've been waiting for.*this is what pokefags actually believe*
>pay to replace moves>pay for held itemsAHAHAHAHAHA. I would ask if they were speedrunning EOS, but anyone still buying Pokemon in 2026 has rock bottom standards as it is
I can't lie, I was pretty sad ursaluna isn't even ingame after the trailers had him.also>female galladelmaothis is the sloppiest slop ever, I'd bet it was done with ai
Champion's just for people who want a game that looks "pretty"Showdown and other sims are better in all aspects with regards to battleThe only thing champions has going for it are basically the models, animations and special effects, which aren't even that good to be honest
why do pokemon fans post this like we give a shit? buy your slop and be done with it. sick of your complaints when you'll buy it anyway. You don't deserve better and never have.
Real niggas know not to go beyond gen 5
Still waiting for PokeMMO to add BW2Those lazy fucks...
>>736604639based pokemmo enjoyer
>>736604678They've said they're not going to, just like they're never adding kanto 2.0 for HGSS.They're done with major expansions, we're getting raids forever and that's it.
>>736602215>>No 6v6 battlesI agree with the rest of it, but frankly 6v6 against other players is ass. The games are way too fucking long. TPC 100% made the correct choice with VGC both by going with doubles and limiting selection per battle to 4 of 6.
>>736604875Most of the complaints by people are that "well the fucking games are 6v6 singles" which is validthe marketing for this game has been fucked, it's not been shown as comp at all, just "it's stadium but mobile woahhhh" so all this shit about missing features and mons is WELL deserved.
So this is the fabled showdown killer? Kekaroo
embrace the live service model optimism. at launch it's closer to japanese pokemon stadium. they will add pokemon, format, items, events etc for the years to come.
>>736604875Can you at least do it in custom matches with friends?
>>736604875They can absolutely make 6v6 work by just balancing their fucking game right. Nerfing regenerator would be a good start as it's the number 1 ability for enabling stalling fagotry, then you can also nerf other healing stuff like leftovers if needed. They would also need to make their engine not slow as shit by displaying text and animations at the same time, but this is beyond Gam- I mean Ilca's capabilities apparently. A combat that would take 10 minutes on showdown takes half an hour on SS, they're not even trying.
>>736605558>launch half-assed, incomplete game>use predatory monetization to get players to pay out the ass to fill in the obvious gapsNo I don't fucking think so. This scam has never worked with me yet and it never will, no-standards cuck.
>>736605558Why would I get excited about being dreepfed content that I already experienced in other games? I doubt most Pokémon if any at all will get major reworks either. Wow, I can't wait for fucking Ledian to get added to the game, now with access to rapid spin! (But it lost its access to screen moves)
>>736603497Given the transfer from Home is different than Home to any other game I think the two teams weren't communicating much.Which is all the more impressive since both of them were ILCA.
>>736605558K then call me in 5 years when the game is complete, Im not touching it now
>>736603557>seriously why are they still working on PokemonGame Freak absorbed them as a support studio.
can TPC actually try with anything? literally everything they do is quarter assed
If you haven't touched any or very few of the slop they released during the Switch era, you're pretty much gambling for good Pokemon. Everything costs an absurd amount of VP. Even if there are a few tickets to make shit cheaper, you will start getting penalised for trying to be creative and realising that it might not have been a good idea.Looking pretty bad on release.
>>736602425Look just because you knew it was gonna be a disaster doesn't mean you can't laugh at it along with everyone else. It's not just burning rubble, it's a nice campfire for us to huddle around.
>>736605558>release game in a pitiful state>everyone drops it>by the time it's acceptable, everyone has already moved on
>>736606141Also pretty discouraging for players who aren't really familiar with competitive. They have no good grasp on teambuilding for either singles or doubles and will just lose a bunch of free resources.
>>736606017I mean you know the answer. Why the fuck would they when people will buy buy buy it all anyway?>remove national dex in gen 8>people bitched but bought in record numbers>release a truly bug-filled(even by their standards) shitfest game at launch with gen 9>people bitched but bought in record numbersand now we are here>release awful money-grubbing no-effort no-content showdown knockoff>people will bitch and will then pay live service moeny in record numbers
>>736606247this game is going to be the battle platform for the next few generations. even if people get bored of the launch version, they will come back after wind/waves
>>736606353They said that about Bank before it got replaced.
>>736606017Please understand small indie company.This is actually the excuse they use and where this shitpost started.
>No 6v6 battlesWhy retards keep mentioning this?The official tournament format since stadium 1 has been 3v3, get a fucking clue faggots.
>>736606504Anon please you must understand, it is impossible to hire new staff or expand a dev team. It is for this reason that every problem can be blamed on the size of the studio and nothing can ever be done to change that excuse, please bear with it.
>>736606589Not having it as an option for even private battles is still weird.
>>736606247Not even how it works when it comes to pokemon>S/V releases in a nearly unplayable state>sells like mad at launch since its when things are most hype>bugs get fixed down the line>even more people buy it now that they here it isn’t a mess anymore, at rates comparable to launchIt’s actually better for them in these cases since you can get an even stronger wave of sales once it’s known the game works
>>736606589Nobody was expecting 6v6 matchmaking, but you can't even do it in private battles. It's been a part of the series since day 1.
>>736606669>>736606692t. retards who never played official competitively in their lives
>>736606672Scarlet & Violet were broken, but they were still a Pokemon game. Any random faggot could play it from start to finish and maybe enjoy their time with it. Champions isn't a regular Pokemon game, it's an esports gacha. Considering that competitive Pokemon has something of a 0.1% attach rate, this game is belly-up. There is nothing here for casuals who just want to catch a set of guys and fight gym leaders.
>>736606749>non-sequitur
>>736606589The official tournament format since stadium 1 didn't involve gacha monetization but that seemed to find its way into the game because they wanted to suck more money out of your pockets. Why can't 6v6 for private battles find its way in when there's clearly a strong desire from players? There is no fucking way in hell that they didn't poll and survey thousands of likely customers and see this from a mile away.
>>736606815>didn't involve gachaStopped reading right here, just transfer your pokemon from Home, zero money spent.
>create an ACKmon>its ability only activates when it diesFunny
>>736606856So you're saying it's okay for gacha to be in the game despite not being included since stadium 1 because it's optional?
>So bad even MISTAH MERRIKU is calling it out.
>>736606914That's not really calling it out in any meaningful way but I get that's the closest he can ever come to criticizing TPC.
>>736606815>Why can't 6v6 for private battles find its way in when there's clearly a strong desire from players?Because it pointlessly splits the playerbase and the game explicitly exists to be the ranked mode
>>736602215Gen 6 is when this franchise stopped being fun little adventures and more quick garbage pushed out on a conveyer belt every year to train men in their 30s and 40s to attend competitive pokemon e-sports events.
>>736606895nta but yes it's a free game. nothing is paywalled either grind or pay up if you don't have a team from the games
>>736606895Yeah, being optional makes all the difference dumbass, any pokemon fan is already playing with their own Home pokemon
>>736606856>zero money spent.Unless your free box is at capacity, because anything more than a kilobyte of storage is breaking the bank for the world's most lucrative media property.
>>736606963It does not split the playerbase and I'll spell it out for you because you're an idiot.People who want to play 6v6 only were not going to be playing non-6v6 competitive to begin with. These people would never be part of that playerbase to split. Adding an option for private 6v6 matches does not split a playerbase there, it only attracts an additional set of players who will come just to play 6v6 privately with friends. This is more customers who will play the money-sucking battle sim. You would have to be totally clueless about services to not understand this.
>>736607007So you can agree that it's okay for private match 6v6 to be in the game despite not being included since stadium 1 because it's optional?
>>736607126The game’s trying to introduce brand new players to competitive, if they allow that a bunch of THOSE players are going to just play 6v6 because>muh anime muh single playerAnd not engage with the actual game
>>736607170I don't agree to shit and you're just doing mental gymnastics now, pathetic
>>736607170>comparing pears to applesSo now going into maximum overschizo shitposting mode?
Do you need Nintendo Online to play this? Would it cost any money to transfer my Scarlet Pokémon to this? I've heard that they automatically get maxed IVs and that you can freely change EVs, is that true? And what about movesets, can you freely pick your moves?
Looking back...I might have been a bit too harsh.How could I have known?
>>736607350You don't need NSO and there is a free Home tier you can use.You can change EV, Moves, Abilities, etc but it cost in game currency
>>736607290>The game’s trying to introduce brand new players to competitiveWow then it sounds like having a gateway mode that they would be more likely to try out initially would be a fantastic way to get them in the environment where competitive can be pushed. Again you must be absolutely clueless about services to not get this.If competitive does not interest people then they won't play competitive even if you deny them 6v6, sorry to break that to you.>wow wtf they're just going to play this mode because anime why would TPC want those people spending money on their game?Because they want them spending their money and getting exposed to competitive? How stupid are you?
>>736607296>>736607347>anon says private 6v6 is stupid to have in the game because it wasn't in since stadium 1>ask if gacha is okay to include despite not being in since stadium 1 just because it's optional>anon says yes of course, being optional makes ALL the difference>remind anon that private 6v6 is also optional and thus okay by his own logic>instant seething
>>736607290Even with this understanding, a core appeal of this game is that you can just fight on your terms anywhere. Remember, it is coming to mobile. You are more likely than ever to get into a casual match with your buds. It just good marketing (cough cough BATTLE YOUR WAY cough cough) to have the option of 6v6 ready at launch.I'm more than certain we will see it before the mobile launch, but it is goofy that it is just an oversight on behalf of Game Freak's part that maybe casuals want to PLAY WITH THEIR WHOLE TEAM IN ONE MATCH.>>736607350No NSO, Home gives you 30 slots for free and Champions have 30 slots free BUT it will be taken up by 6 pre-baked competitive mons, so 24 really. And they have to be in the free box, so be prepared for some inventory tetris if you want to avoid paying for either game.>And what about movesets, can you freely pick your moves?Yes but asterisk. Any time you want to edit your mons' kit, you need to pay Victory Points, which cannot be bought. They can only be earned through daily missions and playing in Ranked Battles, currently at a PALTRY rate.There are premium tickets you can use to change everything but you can't buy those directly, only through battle passes and the starter kit, so don't get too customization-happy unless you want to spend a lot of time on this game.
>>736607497>Schizo ranting lmao, your fanfic meta will never be allowed though
>>736607410>Wow then it sounds like having a gateway mode that they would be more likely to try out initially would be a fantastic way to get them in the environment where competitive can be pushedDo showdown players typically move on to 3v3 singles or do they stay on showdown and get upset that Gamefreak doesn’t support their desired format (be honest now)Sometimes you have to take away the floaties
>>736607728>anon says explicitly word for word that something being optional makes ALL the difference>pointing out that private 6v6 is inherently optional is schizo ranting because it BTFO's his entire argumentlollmao even
>>736607598You have a limited number of slots on Champions? This sounds like absolute ass, having to pay to edit your mon even more so. I hope they're not too surprised when everyone just injects the shit they want to run instead of doing 5 dailies just to give their Meganium Solar Beam
Not my problem, still playing triples which is the only format to always use a team size of 6
>>736607598>And they have to be in the free box, so be prepared for some inventory tetris if you want to avoid paying for either game.To clarify, a mon isn't IMPORTED to Champions, it is like "transferring" mons from RGBY to Stadium or from Home to a main game. A copy is made of them from Home to Champions while they are in a Home box. You have to delist the copy in Champions before you are allowed to move them from a Home box to anything else. It is inconvenient by design so that you will pay for more box space and not have to do some buckdancing in case you want to bring over more. Especially as mons you collect in Champions and mons you import from HOME will take up your limited Champions box space.Also, while a mon's IVs will be all set to 31 in Champions, their EVs and moves will be copied as is. So it makes sense to do any EV training in the mainline game before sending them over, to save on VP.>>736607881Changing moves or individual EVs is actually cheap. The most expensive option is changing abilities and even then that's only 500 VP -- 2.5 wins. The problem is changing everything AT ONCE, that's where they get you. Combined with the price of items being in the THOUSANDS, and you see why it makes sense you want to get a mon comp-ready BEFORE you send them over.
>>736607814Plenty of Showdown players do VGC doubles as well.
>>736607814Yes you disingenuous faggot, a lot of people who started playing with showdown 6v6s also ended up learning VGC afterwards. Playing one format does not prevent you from playing the other as well
>mobileslopWell duh
>>736607598So if I have Violet can I just train my mons there and port them through home to champions for free? I don't give much of a shit about champions in general but i wouldn't mind sticking a meta team on my account for the mobile version because I just know all my normie cousins who play pokemon go are going to be into this and I want to be sure I can stomp them at the next holiday potluck
>>736607814It doesn't look like they even can take away the floaties of pokemon showdown because(be honest with me now) they 100% would have a long long long time ago if they could have. No denying that unless you're delusional.SO... with those floaties forever in place, no 6v6 player will ever play 3v3 competitive singles. And so there can never be a singular playerbase to split. Just two different playerbases, both of which can be hooked up to the money-milking machine.And we both know which playerbase between casual and competitive has more people and dollars to suck up. That's why 6v6 will eventually be added, probably when they need to soften the blow of a low-content season or a particularly egregious monetization update. Because TPC likes money and casuals have more money to give than competitive players.
>>736607956Can you at least equip the same item in multiple pre-made teams or did they decide to be absolute faggots and you can only equip an item on one Pokémon at a time
>>736602215It's the fucking retards who did BDSP, why are you surprised?Also it's designed for the official tourny format and people who build comp teams already, anyone who walked in expecting Stadium 3 or support for a fanfic format is an idiot.
>>736605674>just balancing their fucking game rightIt is pretty balanced for doubles. Until Urshifu, Ursaluna blood moon, and/or Xerneas are back anyway. Nerfing healing would be bad for doubles since defensive strategies are already way harder to pull off since you're potentially dealing with two attackers.
>>736602215I'm still downloading it unashamedly to see what they do with the cowgirl.
>>736608131>It is pretty balanced for doubles.Not in the slightest.
>>736607393Looking forward to the day that the Stadium games get decompiled and have PC ports
>Man, I wish ANY other company than Gamefreak would work on Pokémon games, surely it can't get any worst
>>736608125>it's designed for-It's designed to make money and they'd make more money having 6v6 as a throwaway mode for private battles. You're right that people are dumb to expect it, but not because its inclusion would have been a bad idea. They'd be dumb to expect it because it would have been a good business decision and the people behind BDSP do not make good decisions.
>>736607393This is bad for the exact same reasons Champions is.
>>736608049Yeah, that's what you are expected to do, especially with how uber-easy to make comp-mons in the mainline/Legends games. Just note that the current mon selection is painfully limited and you can only use what is in Champions, so pay attention to who is actually in the game to save yourself some inventory tetris.>>736608075One Pokemon per Item. ILCA couldn't get Fake Out properly coded, you'd think they have reasonable UX here?>>7366081316v6 singles/doubles isn't a matter of balance, it is mostly time and spectacle. VGC is optimized for in-person play and a watching experience. Having everyone fight whole teams adds up FAST.
>>736608304Fake Out was changed for mobile casuals.
>>736607393Music was top tier in that game, animations and graphics were nice too
>>736608251The joke is that gamefreak wasn't the main group behind this.>>736608253Isn't the only monitization a battle pass, outfits, and music? Something tells me supporting smogon would not entice those types into spending at all.
>>736608131I don't think making Regenerator heal less the more you switch out with it would break the "balance" of VGC. And again Regenerator is the number 1 enabler of stalling, nerfing it alone could make 6v6 significantly faster.
>>736608402Something tells me that you have no idea how the mind of a casual player works if you think that outfits isn't a selling point for them.
>>736608304>One Pokemon per Item. ILCA couldn't get Fake Out properly coded, you'd think they have reasonable UX here? What a bunch of cheap fucks lmao. Can you send in a Pokémon already equipped with an item at least?
Don’t forget after all that grinding as a f2p player online will be infested with Mega Gengar p2w teams
>>736608376No as in they literally coded it wrong so that it functions like it is Disabled. So now getting Encored will cause you to Struggle to death.https://x.com/shairaba/status/2041747192872902851>>736608512No, items aren't allowed to be transferred into Home. Not really Champion's fault, that's something of a programming nightmare when you consider item changes between gens and games you aren't even allowed to have items. But lol lmao 5000 VP for a pinch berry.
>>736608276Microtransations? It did not have any. And the characters looked pretty good too.
How is this game going to handle bans and nerfs, without triggering lawsuits?
>>736608596In what way is this coded wrong and not likely an intentional thing?
>>736608596It still seems intentional. You can't use the move at all past the first turn, so it's treated as a dead slot.
>>736608675Seasonal rotations, like card games but more frequently.
kek
>>736608808Imagine getting shown up by Sean Fucking Murray. The entire ILCA staff should seppuku.
>>736608613If there's one thing I'll give Battle Revolution credit for, it is still the only Pokemon game with character customization that lets you have different ages. It's nice to have the option to be child, teen, or adult instead of the amorphous gender-confused blob of a tween we keep getting.BR is still a big step down compared to Stadium though, the Colesseums fucking sucked.>>736608693>>736608707The reason why it is wrong is that the failsafe for move failures already exist. A move that cannot execute is different from a move being unselectable and not being allowed. Not only this prevents Fake Out from being used to counter Sucker Punch and other priority counters, it doesn't even make sense for this to happen. Fake Out will have more priority than Encore even with Prankster, so you will never actually click Fake Out to force yourself to Struggle when you can just Switch out. If this was intentional (to say prevent mobile users from fat-thumbing a dead move -- which will happen with other moves like First Impression), then it is a change that benefits very little for as big a metagame shift it does cause.They made a move LESS CONVENIENT to actually click.
>>736608675If you can still use banned pokemon in private matches then it's no different from other online card games that ban and nerf things.
>>736608808Alright, I'm reinstalling again
>>736608993Hey anon, you know double battles have more targets, right? Very easy for one mon to get fake out hit while it's partner encores the fake out user.This clearly sounds likr a failsafe for if that happens and something prevents a switch.
>>736608993Yeah I agree, only Waterfall Colosseum felt like a good looking arena.
>>736602215Last trailer presented some really good music, so I'll be expecting for that at least
>>736609184Fake Out has +3 priority. The only thing that have more priority than Fake Out are Protect and its derivatives (+4) and Helping Hand (+5). Not even Follow Me or Rage Powder keeps up with it (+2). You can't Encore a Fake Out mon to force a Struggle, as Prankster only provides +1. A mon that clicks Fake Out will have it happen. So there is no utility to this change, if intentional. You can't actually do anything with it unless your opponent really likes to play dangerously and Struggle into a mon or they are Arena Trapped/Shadow Tagged, and even then they still have the advantage because *Fake Out already happened*.It is just coded wrong, they made it get Disabled over just letting it fail like in *every other Pokemon game*. It would actually be more effective for it to just fail over Struggle because you don't take any damage over both of you!>>736609190The game does look nice for a Wii title, but it just a very slow and lacking battle sim.
>>736609601Anon, what the fuck do you think encore does? Because I'm 95% certain you're confusing it with something else at this point.
>>736602215It doesn't matter, Nintendo makes triple more profit off of merchandise and movies than any of their games. They can just pump out awful baby game shit for 8 year olds, then make infinity billion dollars off the next Mario goyslop movie and Pokemon cards.
>>736603853This is the most accurate statement about a fanbase I have ever read.
>>736608808Rhis game is still receiving update? What the fuck, I should really try it one day
>>736608131Too bad no one gives a shit about doubles LOL
>>736603497Testing?
>>736609713Encore forces a mon to use the same move it used previously.An Encored move can fail to launch, causing the mon to accomplish nothing but waste PP.If an Encored move is Disabled (cannot be selected to function at all), then instead a mon will Struggle to prevent a soft-lock and force a bad play.Beforehand, an Encored Fake Out will only do the failure to launch, as Fake Out wasn't Disabled. Now, Fake Out is considered Disabled once its conditions aren't met, so now a mon will Struggle if has to be selected by way of Encore.You see why this is incorrect and doesn't actually help the Encore user. They can still get hit with an attack.
>>736603497Wich pokemon and what move?You can just transfer back isn't?
>>736602215Pokemon is the worse gaming franchise on the market right now
>>736610104Except doubles has been the tournament golden standard since gen 3? Why casual normies that have never enter an official tournament seem to get this?
>>736602215>>186 Pokemon, Less Pokémon than Pokémon Stadium 2>>No 6v6 battles>>Performance issues even on Switch 2LMFAO this game is fucking dead on arrival
>>736608395Fun times when using your own team on the DS. But this game and Champions should have had Gym Leader Castle.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEkLvT6aWFw
>>736610497>WorseWorst, and maybe not but not too far.
>>736610449A lot of low-power moves, usually those under 50 BP, were cut. Some notable exclusions include Power-Up Punch, Work Up, Ice Shard, and Tera Blast. So you have to change them out if you want to go into Ranked with them.You can just transfer back and change up with a legal move in the normal games for free, so it really more a matter of convenience.
>>736608808@nintendo @fbi @potus DO SOMETHING!!!!!
It's that bad
>>736611427>female Galladeuhh...
>>736602215Pokefags continue to get fucked over again, lmao this game is fucking terrible
>>736611427This is part of the tutorial too. How the fuck did they not notice.
>>736609213The music is mid, everyone is just using music from the old games lol
>>736608276>Pokemon Champions 184 Pokemon>Pokemon Battle Revolution 493 PokemonNo, Champions is fucking dogshit that should EoS by the end o this year with how bad it is at launch.
>>736602215There's over a 1000 Pokemon now, how in the absolute FUCK do you only have 184 Pokemon at launch, this is worse than Pokemon SwSh/SV dexit combined and don't get me started on the held items they've taken out of the game, this is the most milquetoast team building ever.
>>736611912True, the game is dogshit until Trumbeak is in.
>>736611772it won't they're forcing it as the VGC platform of choice now.
>>736611912The small pokemon roster is inexcusable
>>736609601>>736610228What a strange thing to autisticly seethe over.
>>736611912Not only that, but items shown off in said promotions aren't in the game. Glad my girl is in, but this is some bullshit. Even Bulbapedia and Serebii are talking negatives. Runs at 30 fps for the Switch 2? Fuck outta here.
>>736611912This is a competitive battle simulator. In official tournaments they aways have a rotational pool of pokemon to use.
>>736612338What does that have to do with anything? What a pathetic excuse
>>736612057How is that going to work, is the entirety of gen 10s pokémon list going to be added as dlc?
>>736611912>There's over a 1000 Pokemon now, how in the absolute FUCK do you only have 184 Pokemon at launch.....yeah that's pretty bad
>didn't launch simultaneous with mobilenice, they'll never get that SEAmonkey support now, they live for "being first". That's like 70% of all the pokemon mobile game's budgets too, that's why masters going EoS in SEA is such a big deal lmao
>>736602215The Aipom’s Paw Curled
>>736612451No, they're gonna have a rotation of mons every "season" or setup or whatever they're calling it, and they'll probably rotate some out, and some in, and keep a pretty stable core of the mons that are always in play (charizard)
>>736612450Nta but there’s no reason to implement illegal Pokemon until both they’re legal and they have finalized moveset decisions
>same devs as the gen 4 remakesThis explains a lot honestly.
>>736611772To be fair, the total amount of final stage evolution pokemon is around 580. Take away the legendaries and the number drops down to about 510. Having almost 40% of the final stage pokemon (and pikachu) is an okay start.
When even your biggest, most loyal bootlicker is calling out your shit game, you know you've fucked up royally
All the snoys seething that this joke of a game will outsell most of snoy first party games x 10.
>>736612589No, no it's not
>>736612524That sounds extremely inefficientIf the roster is changing then they'd be aswell just having the online play be part of the games, that way all the pokémon are already programmed in
>>736612631Jesus Christ even Joe "Bugs in Anus" Merrick hates it, this game is a fucking disaster lmao
Pokemon Showdown won
>>736604875Queer that Pokemon Stadium could handle 6v6 battlesJuss downright peculiar...
Pokemon Stadium 2 mogs this garbage with a bigger Pokemon roster and more game modes, lmfao Pokemon is a shovelware franchise now
>>736610807This guys the same composer as the colosseum guy right? Sure sounds like it
>>736611427Gallades can be females too fucking chuds
i'll get the mobile version when it releases. I didn't realize that pokemon home has a free box and GO compatibility. I already have over a bunch of fully evolved guys ready for champions thanks to this
>>736612257finally a man after my own heart
>>736607393God I can't wait for the day Wii games can get decomps.Battle Revolution with every Pokemon, item, move, and (most) gimmicks up to Gen 10? Sign me the fuck up.I know about the TP decomp, it's the Gamecube version
>>736611427>female GalladeFinally!
Doubles only exist for timeAll the main games are singles because they know it's a more enjoyable format
>>736612236If the goal is to create a battle hub, you should probably code one of the most used moves in competitive Pokemon correctly. I actually give ILCA the benefit of the doubt for the Pokemonmon and item cut, it really does feel like Game Freak overreaching and enforcing a metagame for Champion's launch over them not having the time to finish the game. There are such we have seen in trailers that isn't in the game, so they are obviously withholding such for later seasons. But a fuckup like with Fake Out here, alongside other bugs and oversights, ARE ILCA's fault and should be called out. Showdown puts a lot of effort in mimicking the games, bugs and all, for free, so why not the people paid to make Pokemon?TL;DR: This is a game for autists. Can't be surprised when they do autistically nitpick crucial details.>>736612762It's unlikely Winds/Waves will lack online play, so the point is more to have a more controlled environment for VGC play that can explore different formats, like a Dynamax-only one or no top-tiers. Hell, given you can go completely F2P, you don't even need a NSO sub to play, pretty sure Ninty would strangle them if they cut out MP from mainline titles completely. The question is more are they are willing to put two distinct formats in VGC cups over only relying on Champions.>>736612589Yeah, it's not really the NUMBER of mons compared to the selection at launch that is baffling. Even accounting for "Yeah we don't want everyone to send in Gholdengo in ladder and scare off the hoes", not having every Z-A mega, even those in the base game, ready at launch is absurd.woe to be a raichufag, man...
>>736612825by doing absolutely nothing, Champions fell on its face and the gun in their pocket went off
>>736612773Since it's not directly a GF produced product he doesn't need to fear the bugs.
Imagine being a compfag VGC player and being forced into this mobile slop until the end of time
>>736612589eviolite
>>736614084not in the game yet so nope.finally a game where dusknoir is supreme.
>>736604875They didn't HAVE to make 6v6 ranked, it could've just been a novelty mode exclusively in private unranked matches.But that would require letting you create custom lobbies for said private matches, and the game that marketed itself as "play how you want" would rather not let you play how you want.
>Makes casualniggers and snoys seetheI kneel.
I've already deleted the game, can't believe I was even slightly hyped for this trash
>>736611427>>736611646ILCA's responsible. They're the same retards who broke Spinda in BDSP that it's technically been absent for the entirety of the Switch era because no Spinda can enter or exit BDSP, and if it's missing from WW or its DLC, it'll also be absent for the ongoing Switch 2 era.
>>736614084was a mistake
My main complain with the game is that Pokemon still just stay there while eating attacks that KO themhttps://x.com/Hula9625/status/2041803884155548018?s=20Hyper Beam looks fucking great, but Ninetails just stands there as if nothing happened and then just plays the KO animation.That shit has bothered my since the Stadium games
>>736614997optimizing battle speed by having actions logically take place immediately after a key point in a move is too hard for smarr indie company relying on dogshit company who has never developed a game on their own before, PUHREASE UNDAHSTANDO
>>736608808>No Man's Sky outdoing themPokemonsissies love getting fucked and paying for it.
>>736611912Even with it only being final forms, 184 is pretty low since they added so many bad mons like the eevees. 300 fully evolved mons would've been fine.
>>736602215I don't know why people expected it to be some showdown tier battle sim, but even with the low expectations I had I was still disappointed after seeing how trash it was. Literally all they really had to do was copy showdown with actual visuals and they couldn't even do that.
>>736611912Even worse, it's a smaller roster than Legends: Arceus.Legends: Arceus, which has a small roster because of how many mons have to factor in overworld behaviors just as much as anything else, is now no longer the Switch era game with the smallest roster, despite the fact Champions is literally only about battling and is reusing model rigs and animations from the 3DS era at the earliest.
>Game designed for hardcore competitive poke spergsI give it 6 months before EOS.
>>736615558300 fully evolved is the same as S/V after all DLC they are starting small for people to learn
>Game designed for competitive battling releases with a low power format so people get used to the different changes>IT'S LE OVER
I'll try it later today. I tend to take the average bloviation of a /v/tard with a hefty grain of salt.
>>736602215The Switch 2 version is locked to 30fps? The standards are set so fucking low for pokeshit, and they still disappoint
>>736615767Nope, they AT LEAST have to make it live for the entirety of Gen 10, they already committed and WW likely doesn't have any ranked battles because of this commitment.
>>736616764Switch 2 version isn’t released for some reason
>>736610449You obviously do not value your time properly
>>736613052Pokemon Battle Revolution OST is unappreciated good.
>>736610559No one gives a shit
How many casuals are going to play this, get obliterated by some sweat running OU the team, and quit?
>can't transfer most of my Pokemon from Home>the majority of the moves from my Home Pokemon can't be used in Champions>have to spend in-game currency to change unusable movesuninstalled
>got connection error messages on the tutorial battle>Switch 2 and internet are working perfectly for everything else>look it up, other people are having the same problems>someone says the solution was connecting their Switch to their phone's hotspot>try it>it works>I'm not even using mobile data>my phone is just retransmitting the same wifi from the same router that was refusing to let me connect beforeI guess I'm glad there's a workaround but wow this is stupid.
>>736602431it doesnt even have all starters
>Mega Hawlucha gets No Guard>Hawlucha already has Entrainment>There is nothing stopping passing the ability to something with a OHKO move.lol. lmao.
>release unfinished game>but it's ok because they'll eventually patch in the rest of the game over the next few yearsEnd this meme.
>showdown player numbers INCREASED
>status changes still being displayed one at a time instead of displaying the messages at the same time i.e "attack and defense rose!">multi-hit moves repeat the same animation instead of playing multiple at the same timewhy
Holy fuck the performance is so bad, it’s like 15 fps just talking to the gym guy, even scarlet and violet runs acceptably on switch 2 now, how can a game like this be running so badly?
>>7366178780 becuase this is doubles and 3v3 only for some retarded reason
The Gen 3 and Gen 8 starters are missingGen 8 is forgettable but shouldn't they be shilling the Gen 3 megas?
>>736616709Youre not above anyone else here tripfag
>>736618946It's because Sceptile will get a remakesource: my dreams
>>736611912The game is genuinely dog shit, also Best BeatBreak girl
>>736618946I want Cinderace, I miss using him, his movepool is fun
>>736610981Cutting power up punch when Annihilape exists is fucking stupid. Then again they probably cut Annihilape out didn’t they? Why does this fucking game exist again?
>>736618881Two reasons.1. ILCA.2. This is unashamedly just a port of what they're going to shit out on mobile later. We're probably only getting it on Switch first because Nintendo twisted Game Freak's arm for it to happen.
>>736619280Money. The yearly battle pass subscription (which you will need for the best items) is $50.
>>736619028>Youre not above anyone elseI am a 4chan triple crown recipient. I certainly am. If you're jealous, shift those emotions and get involved. I am starting an online summer camp I will be announcing next month. Its a great gateway into channy-type events.
>pokemon can be trans now
>>736619543AYO WTF.
>>736611912>There's over a 1000 Pokemon now, how in the absolute FUCK do you only have 184 Pokemon at launchA lot of design choices with this game feel like the devs are trying to slowly ease casuals into competitive.The roster is tiny, meaning there's a lot fewer pokemon to learn about.There has been a lot of changes to status effects too, overall making them a lot more manageable and less frustrating, probably because they don't want casuals seething from losing to an unlucky sleep.
>>736612589>To be fair, the total amount of final stage evolution pokemon is around 580.Why the fuck do we have to arbitrarily limit it to fully evolves? It's never had to be that way before and there's no reason for it now. >hurr they're not viableIgnoring the fact there's several pre-evos more viable with >>736614084 and most people don't give a shit about metafagging. They just want to build cool teams using their bros.
>>736612271>Runs at 30 fps for the Switch 2?>make game ugly for mobile users>still have terrible performance on more powerful devicesLeave it to Pokemon to fuck up the graphical improvements that gacha games have been showing off for years and still manage to be unoptimized framerate killers.
>>736619590Gutting the game this much and I still feel like it won't catch on with Casuals
>>736620010>It's never had to be that way beforethe first stadium in japan>there's no reason for it now. finite resources. why push back the release date to add ratata and pidgey for no one to use?
>>736619590It’s just a new season of competitive that’s structured like a new gen, except they excluded some of the items in addition to Pokemon because they want the weaker megas to be better than they are. It’s totally normal for how comp is run in Pokemon, the West is just engaging in the cultural practice of pretending not to understand something you don’t like (in this case, that comp Pokemon is not 6v6 and new gens are resets, not expansion packs)
>>736620028It won't. It's a PVP-only game, so even if there's only so few toys to use, sweats will be sweats.Little Timmies are already getting raped by Archaludon spamming Thunder Shot and Mega Hawlucha using Entrainment to pass No Guard onto mons with OHKO moves so they can always land them without missing.
>>736620130>the first stadium in japanKeyword being first>finite resources. No, it's called profit maximization through slow gatcha turn around and incentivizing fomo through content arbitrarily cut out. >why push back the release date to add ratata and pidgey for no one to use?800+ mons missing and you strawman with Rattata and Pidgey. Try shilling better.
>>736607393I swear that I used to play this game for so many times.
>>736620130>Why would they push the release date to add rattatafound the nigger who lost to FEAR
>>736620562>Keyword being firstyes, this is the 1.0 release. more stuff is added over time>it's called profit maximization companies exist to maximize profit. you sound like a braindead commie so I won't bother reading the rest of your post
>>736602215>186 Pokemon, Less Pokémon than Pokémon Stadium 2>No 6v6 battles>Tons of competitive items removed>No single player content at allwhy should I care about any of these
>developed by ilca You gotta be kidding me...
>>736620704so what do you care about in this gutted game
>>736612825>>736613825
Multi trillion dollar company btw
>>736621118The highest grossing franchise on earth does not become the highest grossing franchise on earth by spending money.It becomes such by cutting corners as often as possible and learning how to maximize profit out of brand recognition alone.
>>736619543Why is it fire tho
>>736620735playing non-fanficshit competitive pokemon
>>736621294LMFAO
>>736621294>mickey mouse roster>mickey mouse items>mickey mouse movepools>not fanfic-shitloling at you rn
>>736620704Based pokedrone
>>736620865Pretty Much
>>736602215>>186 Pokemon, Less Pokémon than Pokémon Stadium 2PFFFFFFFFFFFTHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Pokefags please defend this shit
>>736621439Limiting the roster is always how competitive Pokemon has worked. Why the fuck would I want to play SV 2.0 with Urshifu and Flutter Mane being spammed everywhere day 1? Are you retarded?
Pokefags are the battered housewives of Gaming fanbases
>>736622182I've wanted to be a Pokémon Master since I was 23 when red/blue came out in the states.
>>736622087the champs fairy take roster is entirely broken bullshit dumbfuckall of the fun mons were cut
>>736622262hey gramps I don't know if you know but using tripcodes is considered extremely gay (if you even know what tripcodes are)
>AIIIEEE WHY ARE THERE SO FEW POKEMON? I WANT TO USE RILLABOOM/URSHIFU/INCINEROAR TO SHOW MY SKILL EXPRESSION
Incineroar is in the game thoughbeit
>>736622345>Dondozo gone>Amoonguss gone>Rillaboom gone>Mega Salamence gone>Mega Metagross gone>all legendaries gone>"WAAAAAAAAAH THE BROKEN SHIT IS STILL THERE"what the fuck are you talking about
>>736622491>using the kinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2My3zjdKnoBased he deserved to be front and center in the trailer.
>>736622345This, every nigger is just spamming Inshiteroar, but no let's cut a shitton of mons out and leave in that over powered garbage
yes because zard x/mega gengar/arch spam is so skillfulnevermind that the whole roster is metashit haha this is just the best!
>>736615558Yeah but the eevees are shillmons almost on par with pikachu, so of course they’re in.
>>736622607Game Freak/ILCA are retards
>>736617878It’s engagement matchmaking, aka it’s going to throw retard bots at you if you lose a couple matches.
>>736602215>30fps is "performance issues" >complaining about the f2p online game requiring online>complaining that champions doesn't use the friend list on your switch >complaining about the lack of singleplayer content Great just what we needed, another performative outrage
Expect 2-3 matches against bots before VGC try-hard teamsYour only hope is to play at peak Japanese schoolkid hours
>>736622262Damn and I thought I was too old to be here.
>>736623295>>30fps is "performance issues"30fps is completely unacceptable in the current year, and the game runs closer to 20.
>>736622397I have to have a way to track my posts as I may or may not have short-term memory loss. I don't know. I cannot remember...>>736623330Time only goes one way.
>>736623295the game lags in a 1v1 when you click moonblastthe frames drop from THIRTYif that isnt performance issues idk what is
Oh no...performance issues...in my...turn-based JRPG...my two niggas...in a row...
>>736620028Casuals want their adventures and the chill time catching mons and filling out dexes while messing with stuff along the way. Trim that fat, make a PvP only experience, and all you have are a small, hardcore, dedicated community that gives a shit about team synergies, perfect EVs, breeding at length, etc. I don't know who Champions was supposed to appeal to, but it doesn't look like it fits either crowd.
Two niggas in a row and they can't even make it run at 30fps.
>>736623864>I don't know who Champions was supposed to appeal toNintendo's shareholders who wanted a live service Pokemon game no matter the cost.
>>736602215pedophile redditrannies from r/pokemoncirclejerk are already defending the newest slop on /vpedo/ so in the end, it doesn't matter>>736603557it isn't even on mobile right nowit's just because they know pedophile spics and jeets will throw their money at anything pokemon anyway
>>736605674>nerfing leftoversOk buddy, glad to know you don't play competitive or play singles only. Not only is this the least stally meta but you'd be hard pressed to find leftovers causing any problems
Pay 2 win garbage >achtually it's pay to not have a shit team for years
Is it really that crazy?
>>736602215theyre losing so much money lolwii u 2.0 but worse and theres no 3ds to save it
the fact unite and tcg pocket still exist is proof that shitskin pedophile pajeets and spics will literally never drop poopmon
>>736625028Pokemon is a system seller.
>>736625032>fanbase is mostly whites and asians>DA JEEEEEEETSkys tommy
>>736625069>fanbase is mostly whites and asiansholy fucking kekdo poojeetmon spics reallygo ahead, tattle to your trannyjanny, r/poopmoncirclejerk jeet
>>736623864This I'm so confused who this was made for
>>736625169Whites are the biggest supporters of jews
>>736625069>>fanbase is mostly whites and asians>The Unite fanbasewew lad
>they forgot to remove Entertainment from Hawlucha's move poolLMAO.https://x.com/freezaiYT/status/2041904990482989100
>>736625262The minimum experience hoping to max out gacha whales. They did not put much thought into the who hoping pokedrones would flock to it.
>>736625434That's just a normal strategy, like sturdy shedinja
>>736625434Nice "Competitive" game Pokefags
How long until showdown gets shutdown now that TPC is actually trying their own version
>>736625507It won't be instant, maybe 2 years
>healing with HazeWHAT THE FUCK?https://x.com/FlareGamer64/status/2041911453309960248
Time outs result in a draw.Stall won.
>>736625801Used to result in a win. So...
>>736625715>haze just resets the hp stat changes toolmao
>>736602215it doesnt have to be a good game to sell 10 billion copies if it has pokemon on it
How hard was it to at least add all the Megas, i.e. the Pokemon in the most recent game?
Okay so can i play this on PC?
>>736626257not until the mobile release around june
>>736602215Pokémon Stadium still the best
Fags really want Showdown to die, for this lazy piece of shit game ILCA and Game Freak shat out, I know Pokefags are bootlickers, but they might have just taken the crown with shilling Champions
>>736625715Ilca is so utterly incompetent I can't even begin to comprehend. It's like someone fused Arzest and GameFreak together, holy shit.
>>736608808>Using the prototypical "engoodened" game to shit on Champions.I haven't bothered to look at the discourse, but I imagine right now there are Poketards coping that they'll fix this game and Sean Murray is the cause. Stupid fucking comparison to make.
>>736626373what's your favorite pokemon stadium animation?
>>736626373>Better animations>More Game Modes>More POKEMONChampions is putrid dogshit
>>736619305Shouldn’t something made for mobile run BETTER?
>>736626441Clearly they're only kept around so Game Freak looks more competent in comparison.
>>736626538worse mechanics thoughever
>>736608808No mans sky really will do anything but add depth.
>>736626669Rather play it than whatever the fuck Champions is
>>736626669i'm old. so gen 1 and 2 mechanics still best
>>736626669Bro, modern Pokemon mechanics are just more shit stapled on top and the physical/special split. Yeah Psychic was overpowered back then but only a comphead with no life gives a shit about the actual in-depth mechanics versus the novelty of just having 3D Pokemon fights that don't suck.
>>736626672Sounds like NuPokemon games so at least they have something in common
>missing a bunch of new and old megas>missing a bunch of important items for competitive when it's the game's entire purpose >shitmons weren't buffed despite the limited starting roster>glitches up the ass>everything being expensive as shit>if you skipped on all the Switch games, you have to constantly deal with a gacha systemIt's horrible. Abysmal, even.
Not even Pekora liked this horrible game
>>736625434Just have Incelroar fake out Hawlucha while Corvisquire KOs it.
>>736627373Well she's not a competitive player so I dunno what she was expecting.
>>736627373If even Vtubers can't stomach it, this game is fucking cooked
>>736627512They made the game more "Casual" friendly apparently, but doesn't look like that's working, this game is literally for no one
>>736627574Even for casuals it'd be a grindfest due to how items/rentals/etc. go.Add to that them getting bodied by competitive players when they try to get points to buy shit, well it's not gonna be fun time.
>>736627519Since this game is just battles it's probably not very engaging for streams either for what its worth.
>>736624909Why would Pokemon_Champs say that? That's so horrible!
>>736626459>what's your favorite pokemon stadium animation?
>>736628474HOLY SOUL
>>736602215>>Rental Teams becoming completely uselessso, they force you to transfer pokemon from home if you want to stand a chance (i.e. mobile-only players get fucked)? that's beyond retarded.
So.. how are the animations? do they compare to stadium?
>>736628809They don't even sniff Stadium's animations, complete and utter mogging
Still playing pokemon champions
>>736628809Better since I don't need to wait a full minute for a single move to complete
>>736628809There are some cool ones but a lot are same shit as SV but better camera angles
>>736621179Its flaming
>>736623295>30fps is "performance issues"Nigger its 2026 Also the game frequently drops below 30 you fucking nigger
>>736628809LolIt’s all copy pasted from SV/ZA
>>736628474>blastoise actually uses his cannons in stadium 2It took the mainline games 22 years to catch up to what an N64 game was capable of doing. It's not looking too good.
For me the big disappointment with the game is Incineroar surviving the dexcut.
>>736628809They're shit compared to Pokemon Stadium's animations, like not even close
>>736602215
>>736602215most of this is true but you neglected to mention the upsides.>battle animations are 2x as fast as any pokemon game before>f2p>dont have to spend 4 months to get a pokemon with the right nature and IVsThe fact that it doesn't have a story mode is also a massive plus for people who actually want to play pokemon.
Drip feeding Pokemon and items inexcusable, wtf is this garbage
I hate all the outfits
>Everyone is already importing their cheated mons inDamn. Should have had to earn your Pokémon in game
>>736607393No, fuck Battle Revolution.Champions is no better, but at least I didn't spend 50 fucking dollars on it
>>736602215>performance issuesits literally just 4 niggas in a room....how the fuck
>>736629618If it's ILCA, then I expect this to be a shoddily-made Unity game.
>>736620865keep making these posts. each pic you upload is another C&D letter
>>736602215If you expect anything from Gamefreak or Pokemon at this point, you're an idiot.>but pokopiaKoei Tecmo.
>>736629269He is the face of VGC. You'll never be rid of him.
>>736629924Game Freak won't fuck you lil bro
>>736630086Gross, that explains why competitive Pokemon is a joke
>>736606313well i stopped buying it at least, wish other anons would do the same. they continually fail to meet the bare minimum of quality standards
>>736626373>Pokémon Stadiumgambler was always amusing to face.either super easy or just bullshit
>>736629269
>>736630379I just deleted Champions, but all this Stadium posting is making me want to boot it up
>>736626459
>>736630769I never understood why they made Venusaurs eyes so red in stadium
>>736604231>speedrunning EOSwhy would you speedrun kino?
>>736630968>why would you speedrun kino?what kino?
>>736602215>Opponent's team has one of the following:>Tyrannitar>Gengar>HydreigonCool, no reason to even play anymore.
>>736626373This battle sim should have at LEAST included Gym Leader Castle.
>>736631171it's honestly weird how it has no single player at all
you don't understand the point of a LIMITED roster is so you CAN'T just pick the SAME things you were ALWAYS using and makes you consider OTHER options oh never mind incineroar is still available lol
>>736630769I miss overtly Japanese Pokemon.
>>736622087Why not let people chose what they want for free plays and also have a seasonal select roster that forces users to try different mons?
Bravo Game Freak/ILCA you made a game for fucking no one
>>736627373What did she say? usually she sticks to the script.
Showdown Won
>Competitive PokemonSo everyone using the same few OP teams?
>>736631007>he doesn't know eospearls to swine
>where the 6v6 bat-Just because you play 2 hour long gooner stall matches with your boyfriend doesn't mean it's an official format.
Expecting NuPokemon made by Game Freak or ILCA to be good, if it's not outsourced it's 100% going to be shit
>muh fishulThese games will never improve until bootlickers are all sacrificed to the volcano god.
Why do we give money to ILCA?
>>736602215So what is this? A shitty version of something like Battle Revolution?
>>736635330It's literally just online battles, there's not even a Stadium Mode / Gym Leader Castle, whatever. It's sad. I think people would have been happy to face suped up versions of trainers from the main games, or even new characters.
>>736635104The amount of seething about the graphics or 30fps; it's clearly showdown retards and "Pokémon bad cause palworld" trying to stir shit up.No one gives a fuck. The vgc players are enjoying it and that's all Nintendo and the Pokémon company give a shit about.Wanting all items, Pokémon and whatever the fuck they pull out of their asses is literally the stupidest shit to day. That's like demanding master duel have every fucking card ever day one of release.So please just go back to showdown and enjoy your 6v6 matches and shut the fuck up.Also the game is FREE you're not obligated to give the company money dumbass
why the FUCK are they like this?
>>736635330They took the combat focus of those games, stripped out everything else, want a battle pass and premium items for people to pay for, give you shit rental mons so you'll want to use a Home subscription to get something half-decent, and then peddle it as "THE NEW HEART OF THE COMPETITIVE BATTLING SCENE" in trying to capture some semblance of that Showdown audience while making new believers out of casuals. In reality they launched an early beta of something flagrantly unfinished with bugs and issues galore that isn't really all that competitive-viable, and is so fucked up that it's screwing people's transfers over and even holding them hostage.
>>736635487Gallade famously decapitates Male Trannydevoirs and exclusively fucks Gardevoir and Human Females. No idea what they mean.
>>736635402>Stadium Mode / Gym Leader CastleIts not fucking Pokémon stadium. Did you retards not even pay attention to what this fucking application's purpose is?To separate the VGC from the main line games. That's it. Nothing more nothing less.So instead of playing double battles in a Pokémon game that changes every entry. This is to streamline and have more control over the balance of the VGC.That's all. You fags really out yourselves as dumbasses who don't even know how the vgc functions or what it is.
>>736635686Yeah, I'm aware. I'm just passing on to him the game is basically a content wasteland, pure minimum effort SLOPIVM. Why are you getting angry? You know, little Timmy, back in the day Battle Revolution was used at official tournaments. They even had BR builds that had content not found in the original game (i.e. Rotom Forms).
>>736635952BR was $50this game is free. I don't know why anyone would expect minigames and gym leaders
>>736635686Can you quit shilling for 5 minutes and actually read the reply chains you're leeching off of?
>>736635952The fuck are you yapping about? It's literally battling Pokémon like they have done in scarlet in violet for the last fucking 5 years.Go watch a fucking regional and understand what you're watching is literally what the primary function of the app is.You want "content" go install Pokémon go and throw balls. Or play the actual Pokémon RPGs. You people are insufferable.
>>736636074TCG Pocket has singleplayer battles. That game is also F2P.
>>736636074>this game is freeIt may as well be paid because you're getting nowhere with free right now.
I live under a rock but how come nintendo never made moves against showdown?
>>736636074It's free in the same way PoMEX, GO and TCGP are. I.e. not really.
>>736636217There's no point because it's open source.
>>736636101The retard said it's "sad" that that's not in the game. Guess what during a vgc match there's literally nothing but 2 player avatars and their Pokémon.That's all the Pokémon company wanted to take from the main line games into this app.You people are bitching about master duel not having jrpg elements or a room can decorate.The app is ONLY meant for building a team and playing PvP with VGC regulations. Why is this so hard for people to understand?
>>736636329>with VGC regulations.Is this game even actually following VGC regulations or is it just straight up unfinished, because it seems from the outcry that there's shit outright missing or unrepresented properly, and "regulation compliant" items and moves are inexplicably excluded in transfers.
>>736636329>The retard said it's "sad" that that's not in the game.No he didn't.
They made this game super scummy and full of grinding and battle passes but I think they forgot the game needs to actually have mass appeal.No normalfag is going to want to casually boot up a game of comp pokemon and get steam rolledThey should've just made a decent battle simulator that didn't charge people out the ass for them to use for VGC. Honestly it should just come free with a Home subscription and let you use your Home pokemon Literally no one wants this and no one will play it
>>736636329>The app is ONLY meant for building a team and playing PvP with VGC regulations. Why is this so hard for people to understand?Because they're trying to treat it as a freemium gacha at the same time. This is THE Pokemon release of 2026, and it launched quarter-finished and buggy.
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>>736636556They should have just sold hats for Pokemon.
>>736635487Someone tell Kotaku that they arent getting more fundings for pushing this trash
>>736636429>do zero research on something>have questions that are literally answered with a pop up explanation in the appYou clearly don't give a shit enough about Pokémon champions to behave like a drama queen regarding it.Stop letting shit on Twitter get you riled up when in actuality you don't give a shit about the topic.
>>736636635Funny enough you seem to think Stadium Mode is minigames or something judging by your own replies, when it's nothing but the cups. So you're basically just bitching that people are bitching about no singleplayer content in a F2P game, when Pokemon Masters does that just fine. Champions already has trainer models, the Tutorial system, everything they need to give a basic modicum of something functional, but you seem to be a pestering little runt of a cunt that can't help but be offended by people being upset.So go, go play your crap, instead of bitching about bitching.
>>736602215Who cares they will keep updating the game and it's free.
I gotta ask, why did they give most ZA mega pokemon dogshit/mid abilities? The whole point of mega evolution is that it's a stronger form of a pokemon. What's the point of using megas if they're not OP? You already have to give a item slot for it and can only use for one pokemon. And then, you give mid stat boosts on top of that. So why make their abilities shit, too? It honestly drives me nuts how mishandled this franchise is.
>>736636879Not like there's any kind of roadmap for it.
>>736636556It just needed single player modes, like Pokémon Stadium. It's not complicated. After a few hours I'm already tired of seeing sweatlords with the most "meta" teams possible. It's not fun or interesting to play against the same handful of Pokémon over and over and for 90% of the game's current roster to be useless.
>>736637065The game already has AI bots, there's literally no excuse.
>>736636974doesn't mold breaker also stop Mega Aggron's ability? good for stall breaking I think
>>736636429It’s following VGC regulations Pokemon players are just retarded
>>736637205Does it? I couldn't see any mode to play against bots.
>>736637241Not good enough for Mega Emboar's speed.
>>736634342That's why so many things aren't there in yetPeople WILL spam Urshifu/Riaboom/Incineroar etc. when given the chance, which is why VGC makes formats where the pool of Pokemon will start out small then gradually grow
>>736637284Sometimes the matchmaking will just put you up against a bot. You can tell it's a bot because they'll be decked out in cosmetics that nobody has had the time to grind for.
>>736637387I have all the games and Home so I spent 10k vp on clothes, the bots are identifiable by being fucking stupid
>>736637386>That's why so many things aren't there in yetBut they still had to fit in Incineroar.
>>736637284in the very early ranks, you get put up against pitty bots, in the first rank up match to go from pokeball 4 to 3 you're put up against a human player, but if you lose and go down in progress its AI pity bots again
>>736625493There are ways to counter it just how there are ways to counter Mega Gengar Perish Trap teams.
>>736637429It's the face of the VGC, so of course it's in
>>736637559Then they already failed their goal of not wanting literally everyone to run the same Pokemon.
>>736637435No wonder they all had Japanese names and yet played like total retards sending grass types against my Charizard. Lmao, wow
>>736635480The only cards that aren't in Master Duel are the Kaz arts, and shit that are either coding or ruling nightmares that are usually permabannedAnd also spellbinding circle for seemingly no reasonEven then it gets shit on for it
>>736636974>What's the point of using megas if they're not OP?Either they forgot that was the idea behind them, an ace in the hole, or they are wanted to "balance" them this time but not touching the older ones. Lord only knows with GF.
>make a game for the VGC>basically impenetrable to anyone but them because if you're not paying subscriptions for transfers and already deep into the games elsewhere you're softlocked from getting past dumpy bot AI matchesI knew Stadium G&S was unfair to peddle the Transfer Pak, but holy goddamn. Without the casual market cashflow this thing can't get far.
Hope the game flops like Pokemon Unite
Unironically wouldve prefered they made a full ass gacha compared to this stuff
>>736637559so they fucked it up from the start then
>>736638108Pokemon Go and the mobile TCG are both already that
>>736638092Judging how limited it is and trying to be baby's first competitive Pokemon game like Unite was baby's first MOBA game, it fucking might lol
>>736636879>who cares <speculation>this is the same desperate cope from early access bag holders on PC.>its freei'll give you this but its hardly a worthwhile point
>>736637612Incineroar is not actually OP it’s just a safe filler mon.
>>736638276it being on every team is still ass though
>>736638276He sure is OP when the rest of their team is Gengar and Tyrannitar. Especially if any of them also have mega evolution equipped.
>>736638315That's why it's the most winningest Pokemon for VGC. It is THE safest filler mon in history
>>736638276OP or not is irrelevant, it's been on almost every single serious VGC team for almost a decade.
>>736607393It's a sorry state of things if people are looking back on this fondly
>>736638276I hate how pussy they are to remove it from a game or ban it for a season
>>736602215Spend your time on leaks, Centro. You don't understand a thing of competitive Pokémon.
>>736611912some cuts were to be expected but smaller than the most recent game's regional dex is quite insane.
>>736638518Neither does ILCA judging by Pokemon Champions
>>736616706so the thing about formats is that you can have everything in the game still, while restricting their use in specific formats. nobody would be upset about a format with no paradox/legendaries if they were still in the game and were usable in private lobbies with custom rules. the game is lacking these both of these things on top of removing more held items than any other previous game has ever removed.
>>736607393Aside from the animations and narrator, the online is the real meat of the game. Thats where most people are at. Just wish the single player stuff wasn't so barren.
>>736638719Fucking This Holy Shit
>>736638701The gane has some bugs but you can get a working comp team in less than an hour. Then all you have to do is keep playing the game to get more currency to build more mons to play the game more.>but muh 30 slotsYou get more box slots ranking up. 30 mons is already more mons than you need to compete in a reg.>but muh missing items and monsWe've seen items and mons in trailers that aren't in the game yet. They'll add them eventually.
>Gorillion dollar company>Can't make new sim better than one released 20 years agoHow the fuck this even happen?
>>736639102>We've seen items and mons in trailers that aren't in the game yet. They'll add them eventually.They can keep this live service drip feed shit
>>736639103They hired the retards behind BDSP and believed it should be focused on VGC and not actual normal Pokemon battling in general is how.
>>736635104Is this real? How do you even mess up that badly?
>>736639191ILCA is not even that bad developer but gamefreak is there as retard leash which make everything worse by default.Since is a "main" game Nintendo can't do shit. Stadium games were done by HAL , XD Colosseum and BR just reused assets.
>>736639306>is this realNo. I think they were retarded and tied the Switch 2 release to a specific patch, atm Switch 2 version and improvements don’t exist
>>736639306Pokemon finds a way they always find a way
>Battles still take forever because it deals damage THEN calculate whole thing instead both instances happening at same time, also muh SE textboxes.>Same goes for abilitiesShit fucking irks me, not even old ass RPGs are that clunky.
>>736639681Somehow even Dragon Quest has innovated more than Pokemon with this kind of shit.
>>736639681Know what didn't do this? Stadium 2.>shows all statups in one text box>hp bar drains as the enemy is hit>effectiveness and crit messages are shown as enemy is taking damage
>>736639797Making good games is lostech for Nintendo and Gamefreak
>>736639797You even had the announcer calling out the plays and what happens afterwards too.
>>736639797Animations are shorter In modern games, a lot of the hurt animations in Stadium are very long
>>736602215>ILCA gets two chances to make official Pokemon games>somehow makes games even more reviled than the recent titles led by Game FreakHow bad do you have to be to not even pass that low of a bar?
>>736640061>Animations are shorter In modern gamesStill WAY too long.
is my boy good now?
>>736640221They are never going to be a still image of the Pokemon bopping into the other one like showdown sorry about your adhd
Thank god you guys keep these threads bumped to post limit otherwise nintendo would need to hire more marketers themselves
>>736635480>The vgc players are enjoying itYou sure about that?
>>736635480Nigga you can't even fucking switch mons properly.
>>736640293Honestly, just kill yourself. Why do you even bother posting here if you're going to purposely misrepresent what everyone says?
>>736640061With all the pointless messages and delays in modern games, Stadium might actually be faster at this point.
>>736640254Well it's not a downgrade compared to the original because there's no Life Orb to abuse Sheer Force with.
why didn't they just ask the pokemon stadium devs to make it? unless they closed doord?
>>736641124Nintendo EAD did it in-house. Their last major game was>Super Mario Maker in 2015Got merged into P&D and divided up into a bunch of production groups for most Nintendo stuff with none overseeing Pokemon, The Pokemon Company probably fully oversees series stuff and thus just keep a particular batch of contractors for spinoff or other projects that Game Freak can't handle.
>>736641124By stadium devs you mean Nintendo/Hal? Then no because it would show weakness and Nintendo getting shit done. ILCA got picked because they need bend over to GF stupid management and TPC meddling.Genius sonority got absorbed around battle revolution.
>>736639681intimidate at least hits both pokemon at the same time now instead of needing to see every drop individually, unsure if grassy terrain is the same but I really hope it is.
>>>/vp/
>>736611772>493 PokemonIf you have a separate console and games to transfer from*In reality the game itself only offers like 40 rentals. Battle Revolution is dogshit and I'm tired of zoomers praising that garbage. Genius Sonority has never made a decent Pokemon game.
>>736640254All the new ZA megas are 3 generations powercrept. They arrived 12 years too late.
>>736641771Lot of crap can be shoved as notification rather than textbox.>Intimidate > Atk downBut no they keep those stupid textboxes, even SMT ditched or put something faster.
>>736611912Its less than every pokemon game since the OG games if you think about it.
>>736640296>Nintendo hire marketers to absolutely shit on Pokemon which has been proven to be an infinite money printer.huh
>>736636217With how shit this is, they might just start
>>736640682What am I supposed to take away from your posts besides that you want showdown animations? The game is already super fast
>>736642207There is a big disparity between wanting something that was standard on console Pokemon back in the day and having nothing at all. There is literally 0 reason why text boxes and animations can't play all at the same time as the HP bar draining.
>>736641791That's wrong, PBR does have way more than that, the way to get them simply happens to be convoluted.After beating all the colosseums, Gateway Colosseum's format becomes Trade Battles, where at the end of the battle, you get to trade one of the Pokémon you brought to the battle with one of the opponent's.It has 8 Ranks, going from the puny NFEs of the beginning to strong Pokémon and pseudos. No idea what the actual number is, but it's way more than the 36 people tend to wrongfullly think.And no, every colosseum is perfectly beatable with the rentals you're given. Mysterial, the final boss of the final Colosseum, has Kingler as his strongest Pokémon the first time you fight him.
>>736641934the textboxes are fine, they just needed to speed up the slower animations and stuff that affected both pokemon like intimidate and grassy terrain and it looks like they did exactly that.
>>736612589>To be fairHas there ever been a single fucking case of a decent argument being preceeded by this sentence? Every single time someone says "to be fair", it's followed by the most dogshit take imaginable. This tiny roster is inexcusable.
>>736642365The textboxes are a relic from the Game Boy, and we do not need every single one-line action to have a 3-second notification.
>>736642284Dude you are just throwing words out it’s like reading gibberish. The new games are faster than Stadium
>>736602215How does The Pokemon Company get away with managing the biggest media franchise in the world but only producing mediocre unfinished dogshit for the last 25 years
>>736640254it's pretty meh
>>736642460just put on some subway surfers and you'll be fine kiddo
>>736642497So what? Why can't it be the good parts of both games?
idk what to use so many items and mons aren't here yet
How do I best pokebeg? Is there a way to get gifts in champions or do I need to make a home account?
>>736642506>How does The Pokemon Company get away with managing the biggest media franchise in the world but only producing mediocre unfinished dogshit for the last 25 yearsYour answer is right there
>>736636217The site is run entirely out of pocket and earns no money. That's why.
so what's the tryhard singles comp for this rotation?
>>736642301Trade battle mons can't be equated to rentals that you pick yourself at the start of the game. And even if you do that's still a downgrade from the Stadium games where almost every single mon is available as a rental, from the very beginning, letting you plan and build a team to take into battle.
>>736607393Battle Revolution had potential, but completely blew it. If they weren't gonna do another Colosseum or Gale of Darkness, they should have at least given it the same treatment as the Stadium games.
>>736642664I think there might be something wrong with you you seem like you’re just referencing some problem that exists in your head and your personal language only, Stadium works the same “slowbro used surf it’s super effective”
>>736643037They could have at least had Pokemon storage.
>>736642721gonna need home on mobile to beg for trades, though you're also gonna need a pokemon game to get trade fodder into home I think
>>736643064Now you are just lying. In Stadium, the HP bar will drain at the same time as the text boxes appearing an animations playing. And every message is condensed into a single text box.Champions is like the Pokemon RPGs, only one thing at a time. Animation, then damage, then effectiveness text, then critical hits. It's all needless delays and it adds up in a title where the only thing you do is battle.
>>736643037They actually wanted to and had ideas for environment damage too, like the ground being fucked up from earthquake, but GF/TPC demanded them to release it in an unfinished state.
>>736643064Please give me one reason why they can't just do something like pic related? Why is there a delay between every single text box?
>>736643292you're wasting alot more time on here having the same arguments over and over again you know
>>736643341So you just have no argument or reasoning. You just defend Pokemon because it's Pokemon.
>>736643114>though you're also gonna need a pokemon game to get trade fodder into home I thinki have a bunch of weedles and shit from go. ill look in to setting that up. ty.
>>736643409no my argument is that I think the text boxes are fine, and the bigger problem that being effects that took an extremely long time to see through like intim and grassy terrain in 2v2s were the way bigger pains that this new game has seemingly addressed, making the game much faster as a result. you are just an autist who wants everyone to fellatiate you on here about your inability to deal with textboxes in a JRPG and you get extremely mad whenever anyone points how stupid you are for being mad about time wasting while wasting way more time doing this shit constantly
>>736643692You're talking like every single other JRPG hasn't condensed their text boxes to speed up fights.
>>736610981>Ice shard cutCan icebros stop getting fucked by gamefreak?
>>736610981tera blast will probably return with the terastlization mechanic at least, but the rest seem like bizarre cuts. even if they wanted to not let Mega Kanga have power up punch they could've just taken that out of it's movepool, like how they took away Body Press from Arc and Uturn and Knock-off from incin
>>736643886Keep talking and you're gonna summon the autist who points to Articuno winning with evasion cheese as a reason for why ice is actually perfectly fine and not abominable dogshit defensively
>>736602215Pokemon sloppers gonna slopShould've added ansha cunny
>>736605669no
>>736602215>it ended up being a gaas with all the shit that entails like daily missions and battle passdamn
