Can you believe it guys? Deltarune Chapter 5, just 3-6 months way!
Get back to work, Toby.
>>736636992real shit?
>>736636992I LOVE WAITing. I love waiting for months for Chapter 5. I love waiting 3 years for Chapters 6 and 7. I sure love WAITing.
Susellefags got btfo'd HARD last thread.
the first defeat of toby fox
>>736637572no good arguments against it were presented thoughbeit
>>7366369923 months until we get to the most Krusie focused chapter. And yes I think Krusie is the main focus on the festival not becuase of shipping but because:1. Main card that Toby want to pull later on is "Kris betrays Susie and big drama follow up" so it only make sense to really bond them closer after each chapter went further with Susie opening up to Kris. Betrayal woudn't be as effective if Suselle is there to cuck the player.2. Suselle also doesn't make sense to move the story forward. Noelle need to be pushed beyond her limits in order for her to transform into an angel. Being left out with Krusie would not just cuck her out of Susie, which is probably her least painfull experience as she already think that Susie doesn't care about her. What would break her is Kris actually moving on and abandoning her with Carol and sick dad and missing sister. Losing Kris is would push her to wits end. Thats the reason Weird Route is binding her to Kris, so she doesn't turn into angel by her own accord.
>>736637645He wouldve autowon by not saying anything at all, but responding then running is what made him lose
>>736637645Is it true that he saved Israel?
>>736637572>>736637706How about we wait until 5 actually comes out? THEN we can complain when it wins or gloat when it doesn’t.Suselle will win in that Noelle and Susie like eachother and whether they end up kissing is up to Toby.
I need to write my theories down instead of trying to recall them. Knight identity aside, this always interested me>Castle Town has a weird whimsical shape, with buildings having placeholder icons>Suddenly its way different in ch2, as is Ralsei>This is a conscious shift, not a style choice and is never explained>Prophecy shows the castle having a beam of darkness, with the wings (why are there wings?) making it resemble some kind of giant sword hilt>We've had a "giant fight" in ch2 in the robot, and fought a titan in ch4>two sides of castle town has a dark passage and a light door>the Titan has a large shape, a crown/helmet-like head, and horns, multiple horns in fact>the buildings in Castle Town resemble this shape if you squint>there is a giant spotlight for no particular reason>with a save point in the middle>The titan is shown as having a circle and a star on its head>The titan you fight has a round hole for a face, and a fucking save point as a maskJust saying, it's kinda weirdAnd actually hold on, how does this map to the school?The hallways kinda line up, the left side is one of the classrooms? The right side has the door that leads to the Card Kingdom. If it were even darker inside the building, I wonder if the southern hallway would expand downwards?We know that once you cross the door, the chapter begins proper, so it isn't contained just in the supply closet ... but the supply closet EXTENDED for a long distance and contained the Castle Town (and you also FELL down).I think I just clocked that all those mystery closets we've seen (ch2 computer room "can hold a large person", ch4 "you twisted the knob but didn't open it") are actually portals to other dark kingdoms or something
>>736637645It's not really a loss. He still loves nippon, his chud fans can portray him as racist and the latinx already gave him his money. In the end he only lost because he briefly gave them attention.
>>736638089Like the little castle/fountain part looks like a fucking crown on the "titan head" of Castle TownThe Titan we do fight looks pretty similar to the guys flanking the major titan on the right. In fact, the OST being "Guardian" implies it was defending the major titan. But from what?As it stands, Kris, Susie, and Ralsei have free entry to the Castle Town and were called the heroes of dark. Could the Knight have activated the Titan guardian to try and stop fucking Gerson?
>>736637723I agree with most of this. For the second part however I would argue the opposite. Susie would be more focused on having silly shenanigans with Kris rather than all that lovey dovey stuff Noelle wants. But she would be thrilled about hanging out with both her crush but her estranged childhood friend. I don’t know what the big dramatic thing that happens could be other than Asgore making an ass of himself but I would wager rudy being on the brink of death or Carol completely forbidding her daughter from being with a ruffian like her.
>>736636992what's the appeal of this shit
What are the craziest curveballs that could happen in Chapter 5?
>>736638418Shitposting and theorizing between chapters
>>736637645This is the second. The first was him being in the homestuck adaptation produced by the studio that gave us hazbin Hotel
>>736637723Every chapter already focuses on Krusie. I think the festival will be mostly be Suselle like the holiday household but we won't have Susie and Noelle become a thing. I think Rudy dying in Chapter 4 is heartbreak enough.>>736638089My headcanon for Castle Town is that it's heavily related to the Angel's Heaven and it will act as an ARK to all the darkners during the Roaring so we need to recruit everyone so they can all be safe. We're building the heaven itself.
>>736637645>>736638510>cucked out on the rose>simped for hussie to participate on the flopped homestuck pitch>gets his reputation splattered by the latinxThe dog is in an L streak recently.
>>736638278I think the OST is called guardian because the Titan is protecting the dark fountain. Simple as.
>>736638418Doe rape and consensual hand holding with dino tomboy
>>736638657>cucked out on the roseIm glad it came back to bite him on the ass, even though I don't side with the spics.
>>736637951Toby being jewish is retarded as fuck, so no.
>>736637645The first of Many!
>>736638428Gaster actually showing up in person, Krusie being confirmed instead of Suselle, FemKris schizos somehow being right, Asgore being completely in the right and Toriel in the wrong, the knight not being any of the common candidates. There's a lot of twists Toby can do.
>>736638418Fun gameplay, quirky lore, lovable characters, theorizing and creating your own fanwork, good music.
>>736637959>complain when it wins or gloat when it doesn’tI don't know about you but I'm gonna shitpost nonstop in /sus/ once suselle happens. It's gonna be so fun watching those people cry when they realize their ship won't happen.
>>736638620It feels like Krusie happens gradually. chapter 1 is pretty much anti Krusie as most people were annoyed by Susie. Chapter 2 made them more like buddies with Asriel but only starting from chapter 3 we get ship teasing like with Minikris and opened soda and then chapter 4 is heavy with undertones like actual diner date or evening at the lake. It only feels as the festival will be the culmination of that relationship and its highest peak before shit hit the fan. Only Krusie can make this impact, but i suspect Toby will make it "brother/sister" thing by default and only open a way for more Minikris hidden romantic scenes for people who do additional optional Krusie scenes in previous chapters.
>>736638428We spend one more chapter and the next 3 years without answersGOD DAMN TOBY I JUST WANNA KNOW IF MY FANFICS WILL BE ACCURATE FUCK
>>736638173get a personality, avatarfag
>>736637645Can you just imagine when the latinxes redirect their seethe into whatever pisses them off in chapter 5?The rage over suselle alone will be beautiful.
>>736638681Oh sure, that's perfectly plausible too, but you know how much Toby likes to hide shit in plain sight and then recontextualize it later.I think one of the meta narratives will involve transporting consciousness around. We saw HERO_SWORD jump from the game world to the dark world with the aid of the soul controlling it. Many extra bosses want your soul to do the same (Spamton mostly). Perhaps he would have ascended to the light world? Ralsei could certainly do so too, I believe. And perhaps Carol and a few others in light world want to ascend to the layer the voice is on
Michael Schumacher
>>736639080I will keep posting kimono humans as long as you keep talking about the latinx drama. You will have a meltdown everytime that image is posted. Cope and seethe.
I wanna explore the meta narrative around this spider's holes
>>736639208theres a face like barely there behind the microphone i swear
>>736639226do you have any pics of the humans in latin american clothes?
THE FORBIDDEN PATH BEGAN WITH ICE MAGIC.
>>736639267it's papyrus
>>736639307I think the closest is this image of Frisk and the skeleton brothers. I haven't seen many images of Undertale characters dressed as mexicans.
i bet muffet really likes anal sex
>>736639416thanks
>>736636992>We are sorry, Deltarune chapter 5 has been delayed again because I decided to personally give a rimjob to every single japanese deltarune fan who preordered chapter 5. I really care about the western audience too, but we'll have to wait.
>>736639045Toby won't make you chose who Kris ends up with. Deltarune isn't that type of game. Also people loved Chapter 1 Susie and that era was when Krusie was the most popular ship.
>>736639461Here's another I found.>>736639487Holy based weaboo Toby.
>>736637645
>>736639307Also I just found out there's an entire AU where everyone is latinx.https://xtaleunderverse.fandom.com/wiki/Undernovela
>>736638428kriselle in the normal route
>Boring tierSusie is The GirlNoelle is The Girl>Bold gamble tierKris is The GirlVessel is The Girl>Homestuck plot twist tierRalsei is The Girl>Schizo dark horse tierDess is The Girl>Based and gamerpilled tierBerdly is The Girl>"Here's how Catti can still be relevant" tierJockington is The Girl
>>736639161The Titan absolutely can ascend out of the Dark World, that's what the Roaring is. The darkness going haywire and all of the Titans entering the Light World. I do like this ascension theory though.
>>736639992ralsei girl is redditard tier, they've been pushing ftm ralsei lately for some reason
>>736639992>Gaster tier(You) are The Girl>Battat tierMike is The Girl>2015 oldfag tierSuzy is The Girl
>>736640118>ftm ralseiThat's an improvement over MtF Ralsei I'll give them that
>toby straight up pIagiarized the roaring knighthttps://xcancel.com/angelsvis444/status/2042001687187976350
>>736640118I don't think Homestuck plot twist is a good thing.
>>736640118>ftm ralseiSo I was straight all along?
>>736639258>>736639423Spider is cute.
>>736640261forget about the knight that green motherfucker with a hat looks suspiciously like ralsei
>>736640261Game?
>>736637706>thoughbeitGo back, shartynigger
>>736640619Forever by NS3KIt was never finishedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwJjyKbWEYk
>>736639080he apparently changed the hash at some point, so that's not even the extent of it
>>736640686>>736640261>just steals concepts from something that was never madeI kneel.
I wanna do lewd things to Muffet's rectum
>>736640830Every single human image posted on 4chan is mine. All of it. All me.
>>736640971wtf i posted this
>>736639695
which sections of the fandom will be eating shit this year?
>>736640971>>736641039keep screaming at everyone, nigger
>>736641039I am (you), (you) are me. All humanposters are one entity split in various avatars to human post. We're the real Gaster.
>>736641098Snowgravefags. The route will end prematurely with an unwinnable boss fight or even an instant gameover.
>>736641098Shippers, definitely. Theorists? Probably. Asgore glazers? Maybe.
>>736641098the janny portion
>>736641098>loserslatinx fans, hmofafags, asgorefags, dessfags, dessrielfags, ralseifags>winnerssusellerinas, sorieluglyfatbastards, spamtennafujos
>>736641237>Shippers80% for most ships (including joke ones), 5% for suselle>Theorists?Chapter 3 cucked them enough, there isn't much left besides Knight BS now.>Asgore glazers?I say 50/50
I'm not even going to post the video this time, these latinx are pissing me off.>>736638089I had a similar theory with those closets, I was thinking there might be something similar to the purified areas from OFF where you can return to previous dark worlds that are for the most part empty despite the game saying you won't be able to go back to them.
>>736639992I like how the Catti tier isn't even her being the girl but her snake bf.
>>736640686Isn't the Knight more similar to that one Homestuck guy than this video game that never came out?
>>736641501the only people who got raped harder than cattifags are the latinx
>>736636992
All this discussion about the Roaring Knight misses something that should have been fucking obvious from just playing the game, which I now most haven't done:I waited for over 3 years to play a TV World that is mostly a Zelda parody with barely any actual TV jokes or references, with a ridiculously small selection of enemies and bosses, and a Chapter 4 that completely ruined the mood before the game could ever explore that early premise to its fullest.
>>736641414Yeah, Knightfags are probably losing as every Knight theory is probably wrong.
>>736641697Knight_isn't_Dess bros, we are eating well this year
>>736641660Chapter 4 was memorable and good but looking back on it i felt like it dropped the ball on some of its concepts. Chapter 3 was a big whoop minus the Knight. The direction everything is going in feels like its gonna either completely shit the bed or rise to something amazing and there is no in between
>>736641572Based nippon lover and latinx slayer Toby, causing so many tears from brown folkxs
>>736641972I believe it's because 3 & 4 feel like they ultimately dropped the pretense this is an episodic JRPG and let the story and gameplay become far too linear
>>736641660Chapter 5 will be a funny goofy time trust the plan. Snowdin was goofy as fuck.
>>736641201Anon, you do know there is such a thing as image hashes, right?
>>736642063i'm certain the bulk of the festival will be mostly kris and susie goofing off with noelle also hanging aroundthe other townspeople will likely also have a gag or twoonce the dark world opens though i'm fully expecting the tone to shift to be more like the latter half of ch4
>>736641972No gonna argue about my opinion on them now.But I'm just left wondering what the direction for the remaining chapters can even take now, specially 5.Going back to dark world adventures doesn't make any sense anymore, Chapter 4 introduced way too many late game escalations, yet 5 out of 7 is still to early to get into actual ending territory,What now? >Chapter 5 is a jarring, out of place throwback to the 1-2-3 style before we do another jarring transition into the late game with 6-7?>Maybe 5 will be just rehashing the tone from 4 and be melodramatic and serious again? But how the fuck do you follow up on the Titan?>Or 5-6-7 will just be a very drawn out conclusion?Shop 3 and the other piano songs make me feel the second option is more likely, which would be the first time a chapter keeps the exact same tone as the previous one, since 1+2+3 are all over the place in that regard.
>>736642115>kris and susie goofing off with noelle also hanging aroundThey're both broken after the Undyne abduction, the prophecy's end and the Ol' Jitterbug. Susie in particular will be way too on the edge to have fun like that by now.
>>736642072If you followed the reply chain you would see the schizo was accusing people of changing it to piss him off. Which is why I said all humanposters are me (which is true btw, I posted every human image in these ten years. All me).
>>736642334That is one thing that is gonna be weird is what the hell even chapter 6 and 7 is gonna be like (and how long is it gonna take to even get them? Will it stretch development to another 3 years?). One thought that could maybe be a interesting mechanic is them doing a "between worlds" puzzle solving where you can see where you are in relation to lightworld and eavesdrop or do puzzles via Ghost Trick (ch4 kinda did this, dont see why we cant expand on it)
>>736639258>>736639423>>736640423>>736640959>Spiders have very sensitive feet.Imagine licking her feet while having sex with her. This will give her mind mumbling pleasure and it make her sing pleasure moan serenade.
>>736642334Noelle will open a fountain in ch5, guaranteed. Whether it's because she's tricked or wants to, and whether it's part of the main plot or leads to the secret boss, who knows.>ch2 has Queen showing anyone can make a fountain>shows kris (ch3), then susie (ch4), then noelle (ch??) in the background
>>736642115I think the festival will be mostly be Suselleslop with Berdly shenanigans and Kris third wheel. I actually think the Dark World is going to be silly because of Asgore’s flowers until the inferno of jealousy happens and burns them all. I don't think it will be as dark as 4 because that was mainly because Gerson and Jackenstein are the only darkners there.
>>736642912festival has already been established as kris and susie hanging out + a thirdberdly also likely will only have a bit role due to the possibility of his arm being broken/ snowgrave'd
I wonder if the majority of the fandom are kids because I like to watch undertale or deltarune streams sometimes and tons of people spoil the game to the streamer and they don't look assholes that just entered into the stream to do so.
>>736638428>Asgore being completely in the right and Toriel in the wrongThat's just factually correct, but Toby will always frame Toriel as not-a-cunt because he has daddy issues
>>736642794What we know is>the original bundle being 3+4+5 implies 6+7 is a very different beast>3+4 already threw away any possibility of the game being predictable/solveable>none of the church prophecies can be obviously tied to 6+7 compared to 1 through 5>Gerson refuses to reveal anything about his chapter 6 and says 7 has never been writtenThe Gerson detail in particular worries me that Toby might pull off something really retarded like "I will never make a chapter 7! I'm letting you make the ending you want and it will be your own canon!"
>>736642794It's definitely taking 3 years because of the Forgotten Man's dialogue hinting at 11 years. There's a lot of things Toby can do for 6 and 7, though. The main one is us leaving Kris and playing as someone else, like Susie, Noelle or the Vessel. That's could justify the long delevopment.>>736642992Yeah but there's that big scene of Susie inviting Noelle in front of Carol. Susie does want to hangout with all her friends, though.Since the Weird Route of Chapter 5 is focused on the festival I think Berdly will normally have a big role to make his absence in the weird route more impactful.
>>736642998I mean its a bit too late after Chapter 4 unless he goes through so many mental gymnastics he becomes a turbo faggot. For mine its>Sans gets immediately sent to the Undertale dimension with little fanfareThat would be the most hilarious outcome
>>736638428Controlling someone other than Kris. Like actually control, not Susie cutscene.
>>736643218Honestly I don't know what Toby is planning with Sans at all. All Deltarune foreshadowing in Undertale involves him but he's barely present in actual Deltarune. When is he getting his photo album of people?
>>736643530I don't think even Toby knows at this point. We're at nearly 8 years of Papyrus blueballing for instance.
>>736643530>When is he getting his photo album of people?That will probably be resolved with a gag or passing mention. It won't be plot critical, I'm guessing.
>>736643530Unless he does some Mary Sue bullshit where he becomes the main antagor some deus ex machina bullshit I genuinely dont know what the fuck he is doing here. And if they do a deus ex machina bullshit I have my parlay here right now.>Ch5 OR Beyond Asgore goes full ballistic from jealousy and starts attacking the fun squad>he goes for final attack>Sans pops up and goes "ITS SANS TIME" and sans all over the place>"NOOOO IM BIG DUMB DIVORCE MAN NOOOOO" while he shrinks into the ether before Sans dissappears somehowScreencap for the future i wanna see how right this is
>>736643782"Timeline cop" Sans is still a possibility so far, but it's as much as Toby overtly mocking the idea of that sort of plot development.
>>736644013>mocking the idea of that sort of plot developmentTo be more clear on this, I mean Toby using Deltarune as meta commentary on sequels/franchises and the kind of expectations fans have about them, mostly in a negative light like how he did about completionism in Undertale.
>>736644083>make differing content with a lot of different outcomes >complains about people completing themIf he actually does that as some sort of commentary i will drop this game, that is the most gigafaggot behavior
>>736642334>>736642794My guess is that chapter 5 is going to be the last of the "conventional" Dark World adventures, since Seam only needs 5 Shadow Crystals. Chapter 6 and 7 will probably be completely different.My wild theory is that everything will go to shit during the festival and the world will end during it, but collecting all 5 Shadow Crystals will allow you to loop back to the start with your memories somehow. Chapter 6 and 7 will be time loop shenanigans where we finally get to see what's happening behind the scenes during chapter 1-5 (like learning about what Ralsei said to Kris behind our backs during chapter 1).
>>736644083That would be extremely hacky and would absolutely ruin Deltarune and his legacy as a creator as a whole. Toby doesn't strike me as someone with such little faith in his idea.
>>736644246That be pretty neat, although i will admit im kinda not lookin forward to backtrack chapter 3 if thats the case
>>736642334>5 out of 7 is still to early to get into actual ending territory>>736644246>chapter 5 is going to be the last (anything really)there's a blatant foreshadow with gerson saying that nothing came after the 5th bookand toby planned to release 3-4-5 as one batch at some pointi bet on roaring or some other bad end, or perhaps even [S] Cascade that will have to be rectified in later chapters
>>736644013dang can't believe I'll need to kill sans a second time because he keeps ruining my fun
>>736644013I still don’t think sans is a timeline cop nd is more just a monster that was able to practice how to tell if a human is time traveling through reading their expressionsIt’s implied asgore can do the same thing
>>736645008>[S] CascadeIs this a Homestuck reference?I haven't engaged with it, but I thought that Ralsei and Eram could be like cherubs and the voice layer / device layer / light world / dark world / tenna's game were all kernels
>>736645358Yes it is
>>736643530He's planning exactly what he has been planning with Sans for the past 10+ years. People forget that Sans becoming the "face" of Undertale was a thing that happened entirely in the fandom. The fact that Toby doesn't elevate Sans above the rest of the cast is taken as an affront by those who do, hence the constant complaints about how much Toby supposedly hates him. The idea that he's somehow not prominent enough in Deltarune to live up to anything be "promised" in Undertale never stuck to me.
>>736640261Whatever happened to NS3K? It wasn't that unusual for that guy to occasionally go on hiatus but still, there hasn't been a single peep from him in like 3 years now.
>>736643208a lot of people are willingly ignorant about the circumstances of when susie invites noelleshe had plenty of time to ask noelle when the two of them were alone, and rudy not so subtly hits that noelle would like it if susie asks her, to which she comments on how weird it is nobody's asked her yetinstead, susie instead announces to carol that she's taking noelle, purely because she didn't like how carol was treating noellepeople can cope all they want about it, but susie taking noelle is not a romantic gesture on her part
>>736646061i don't think there's gonna be any explicit romance in the game either. susie, the most eligible bachelor aside from player-kris just wants some friends. that being said the inferno of jealousy seems like it's gonna be on the part of damn near everyone in hometown (Noelle, pizza pants and nice bunny, bratty, catty, catti for Noelle, asgore, maybe even toriel since she doesn't like how much time Carol and asgore spend together, maybe the player for feeling ignored and then on the weird route we're making Kris be a third or fourth wheel during the festival in their own body) so here's hoping the roaring starts at the end of chapter 5.
>>736645796>Toby dosent elevate Sans above the rest of the castIdk anon you give him epic monologue fight in genocide mode and tell me you dont elevate him a bit, especially with the mystery lab bit
I still feel bad for Papyrusfags, ngl.
>>736646510i was sympathetic to them after ch2 since they straight up got cucked, but they became annoying after they tried forcing him into everything
>>736646510Honestly Papyrus got so put into the wayside that seeing him in any capacity would be a suprise at this point. I hardly even hear anyone talk about him anymore and it is kinda sad
>>736645796because of obsessive adoration and sans being the mysterious spacetime man, some people tend to construct incredible delusionsit's why everything from bootleg uboa mystery man to cryptic nonsense hints MUST have a grandiose master plan behind them, and any attempt to brush those things aside is a BETRAYAL of the whole fanbase (as opposed to a vague allusion that was never supposed to have some incredible payoff fifteen years later)looking forward to fanboys being burned by deltarune just like theoryfags were once burned by lost, a new generation gotta learn one day
>>736640261>green creature with floppy ears>brown haired human>purple girl...huh.
>>736646709But Gaster and Mysteryman absolutely do have something huge and secret and possibly even core to the plot going on under the hood.The fandom just also got convinced that randoms like Mike did too.
>>736646801are you sure? do you think a character whose defining trait is BEING TORN APART ACROSS SPACE AND TIME INTO A STATE OF NON-EXISTENCE is gonna appear on camera and spout a big monologue about survey program or postmodern fiction? or is he gonna be content with (as the youths call it) vagueposting once a chapter or so? there is no reason soul-summonning or any concrete plot point must be resolved by gaster
>>736637645Do people genuinely care in large numbers in a materially affecting way?
>>736647028I think he doesn't have to make an onscreen appearance where he monologues and resolves part of the plot himself to properly follow up on his older appearances and am baffled at your "standards" for such.
I only played the first two chapters and the second one was really lame
>>736636992Toby likes to reference Brandish for some reason
>>736647085autist, it ain't my standards, i am obviously exaggerating the strawman of an idea that mysteryman will appear as a plot point at all
>>736647172Kris DW is literally Brandish protagEven the plot was similar to UT, there was a kingdom that was fallen underground and magic was sealed away
>>736645796being the living connection to deltarune automatically elevates him above most of the cast
>>736647070>Do people genuinely care in large numbersYes. You can say what you want about spics, but Toby has never been consistently shat on by tweets with 50k likes, much less in such a short amount of time. Most of the SA fanbase went from sucking his dick like the rest of twitter, to "hostile" or straight up hostile (much like /v/).
>>736640261>one of the main characters is a mimiga-like monster with a green+purple color scheme
>>736636992Anyone else starting to get annoyed with all the deltarune threads?
>>736649176a yuri thread was purged for this
>>736650074sounds gay
>>736648874Sure it's 50k people on twitter, but I barely see review bombs on steamWhich leads me to think it's people who aren't fans in the first place and love to shitpost, people who pirated the game, which generally don't matter
Gaster can you make Kris into a black girl pretty please.
>>736650562i can only see kris as finnishi do not have a reason, i just find it amusing
>>736650562KRIS IS A NIGGER
>>736647172Someone should draw noelle in that outfit
>>736639258>>736639423Why is she like this?
>>736652501Fair Fair.>>736652694Don't be so mean to her :(
>>736654412do you think that if kris wore noelle's semi transparent robe that she would be embarrassed or pretend not to notice and roll with it
>>736647172It's one of THOSE games to him, on the same level as Mother 3 and OFF.
chapter 5 will end on a cliffhanger again because toby is scared of actually telling us what is happening
>>736647172Yoo it's not-Kris and not-Noelle, well not really from what i saw but both are blonde what's the series about?>>736652861That would be kinda hot faha
>>736641098dessfags despite dess potentially showing up in ch5.they have conjured up a false image of dess in their head over the years so when the real dess shows up and doesn't meet their expectations then it's gonna get ugly
>>736656579hahahaha
>>736653186>>736650562Ralsei comes out to meet this Kris and frowns, good back into the castle and comes out with a shotgun. "I may be a faggot but I'm not repeating any niggers in MY dark world."
>>736647172>>736656579Noelle if she retro
>>736656825 Why the long face?
>>736656936
>>736654587Noelle would be blushing all the time and pretend everything is normal.
>>736641660I was hoping for a reference to those old bonus features you got when you pressed the colored buttons on your remote
>>736641098Most shippers will eat shit, Soriel and Suselle shippers will probably win big.
>>736658175>SorielThey've already been winning since Undertale, unless the big twist about Sans is that because (You)'re here in this Deltarune, the events that required Undertale's Sans to bounce to Undertale can never take place, not even on the Weird Route, thus Soriel can win TWICE.
>>736652861>>736656579
>>736658274yoooooooooo
>>736658274
>>736658274whats funny is i look like this haha
>>736658274VGH, Kino...
>>736640261He literally turned his favourite Touhou Ran into Toriel. Nobody ever said Toby is original with anything. Most of his thing is "borrowing" music and visual art from Mother series and Jrpg's
>>736652694no
>>736638428Turd entity makes its presence known.Best boy Flowey makes a return.
>>736658274>that fur patternWhat a slut
He will betray her, but that will only make the ship stronger when they eventually reconnect in the midst of battle with the real villain. It's not like Susie can blame Kris for long. She never apologised for relentless bullying and telling Kris that Toriel would be glad if he died. Festival will probably address that in order to make his betrayal more painfull.
>>736638428Suselle has more chance than Tomboy/Femboy. Its autism on the level of thinking Stein;Gate would end on Kurisu/Luka romance
>>736638428Susie Gaster get Ipad, and then unbirth Kris Soul and Razzy Mctazzy say Wubba Dubba Lub lub and then Dreamworks dance ending.
Does it affect anything killing the Titan's spawns?
>>736659231I'd say it's more likely than most people think. For all the yurifag accusations Toby gets, Alphys was originally a dude. The only change made was adding eyelashes.
>>736643782>>736644013If Chapter 6 is truly the Gaster chapter I can see Sans (and Papyrus) having importance there as he's the only Undertale character with clear connections to him. It is weird he's barely relevant right now in Deltarune though. >>736645796You're right Sans isn't the most important of the main Undertale cast, but he's the only character in Undertale with direct connections to Deltarune thanks to his lab. Usually you would want to see where those connections came from. So far only "it's raining somewhere else" was explained and not even with a scene related to him. It's just a bit strange. I don't know what Toby is planning.
>>736645008Actually, the last chapter Gerson wrote was 6. That was when the author was consumed by his story (Gaster reference). 7 is the unwritten chapter the next generation must write.
>>736646061I agree with you here but Susie still explicitly invinted Noelle to the festival so I'm expecting the festival to be mostly Susie x Noelle scenes even if Susie doesn't see it as romantic.
>>736646510Honestly I still believe Papyrus is being kept hidden because his sheer appearance is a massive plottwist. I do think the WAIT affected it though because people stopped caring about him as much as they did in the Chapter 1 and 2 era.
>>736647172Human sexo>>736658274Doe sexo
>>736637645Does a official Spanish translation exist or have any plan to exist?No???Then the latinx twitter warriors and trannies lost
>>736638428I BELIEVE IN RALSUS SUPREMACY
>>736650074>>736650196People prefer literally any yurislop pairing other than Suselle which is still funny to me lol.
Will the latinx manage to knock down Undertale to Mostly Positive reviews on Steam?
>>736659814Yeah but the Alphys equivalent would be Berdly, who is the stereotypical nerd. Ralsei is made as a furry bait for gays obsessed with Asriel/Frisk shippinghe fill the role of Luca/Felix/Bridgett in this fandom
>>736650562>>736653186I associate black humans with tumblr designs at this point, and the only tanned human girl I can kinda tolerate is Frisk desu. Kris never struck as anything other than white.
>>736661112>Ralsei is made as a furry bait for gays obsessed with Asriel/Frisk shippingheFriskriel (and Chasriel) have always been portrayed as mostly straight ships in this fandom though, unlike Kralsei. Asriel does have a lot of gay fans but those particular ships aren't really portrayed as being gay.
I FUCKING LOVE YURI
>>736661290Ralsei is the gay icon treated like that by Toby who make Susie tease him as a fluffy wife for Kris to mock his flamboyant feminine behavior. He will never be treated seriously as a straight man
>>736661514Yeah but I was talking about Asriel. Ralsei is totally seen everyone by gay which is why straight Kralsei is an unicorn.
>>736654412>>736654587Humans in robes is pretty cute, I wish Toby gave us more of it.
>>736659048That's unironically a pretty big curveball. I can't see how third entity nor literal Undertale Flowey can happen at this point so Toby would definitely surprise me if it happened. Third entity is one of those things that's never mentioned but if it was real it would break the fandom harder than Suselle would break these threads.
still think susie will be sidetracked from the festival so you can alone with noelle (to line up with datamined equipment dialogue)
>>736661917There probably will be a section where Noelle and Kris are alone, but I'm willing to bet it's not right at the beginning, I think the structure will be something like this:>Go to the festival -> Engange in whatever activities there are -> Something weird happens and someone goes to investigate -> Dark World is discoveredThe split will probably happen at the end of the second part, or during the third, I think, alternatively, it could happen inside the dark world itself, as it happened in chapter 2.
>>736661917I think you will only be alone with Noelle in the festival in the weird route. Outside of that we will only be alone with her in the Dark World.
>>736660850Toby doesn't care about anyone but what the nipponese think, give it up. Nobody cares about the latinx anymore.
>>736661112I was mostly pointing out that Toby MIGHT not be ride or die when it comes to yurislop. Alphys and Ralsei do share some similarities. Both are considered nerds, both are shy, both hide secrets, both have eyelashes and wear glasses. Susie's and Ralsei's relationship is a bit more balanced and fleshed out when it comes to stereotypes, wheres Alphyne is turbojock x turbonerd.
>>736661917Not that I care about Kriselle but those two are overdue for a one on one convo. For four chapters the story has been teasing how close they used to be and it's about time some light is shed out on it. Festival is the perfect place for it since they used to go together in the past.
>>736661917Noelle only date on weird route
>>736662747What, Chapter 2 wasn't good enough for you?
>>736662812they didn't actually talk about their issues, and noelle only came a little bit close to doing that because of it being a dream.
>>736662747I think the worst case scenario for this is a Chapter 4 situation where Noelle does talk more about what has happened between them, but she doesn't do it with Kris directly, she does it with Susie instad, for whatever reason.
>>736640261The roaring knight can't heal itself nor can it cast electrical attacks. It also cannot throw boomerangs
>>736659814People call Toby a yurifag because he straight up said girls like Alphys are good with girls like Undyne
>>736662596Toby in the anniversary stream compared Alphyne to Suselle directly, it's over. Suselle is the Alphyne 2.0.
>>736661851Toby is not really bound by a rigid set of rules currently. Almost everything is subject to change/modification. There are things that could point to a third entity/narrator being its own character like the second voice, narrator preventing you from turning the tap on in ch2, similar inspect dialog to UT, revealing info that Kris does not want you to know like pic, but its by no means concrete. If there's anything to it, it needs to be revealed next chapter, otherwise there will be too much bloat in ch6/7.As for Flowey, I just think it would be fitting to have him in the flower dark world. His role doesn't even have to be violent either. He could just mess with the characters' morale, try to demoralize them. I'd be really fun to watch him interact with the gang. Don't know how his presence would tie in to the grander plot though
>>736637572susellefags have been non stop humiliated by the rest of the fanbase for the past several months and nothing short of susie and noelle sloppily making out for several minutes would vindicate them
>>736663397>a wild third-entityfag wanders in
>>736663504>and nothing short of susie and noelle sloppily making out for several minutes would vindicate themIt wouldn't be necessary, some scenes of Susie and Noelle getting closer and indicating the start of a romantic relationship would be more than enough. Remember how much people cried at the Chapter 4 scenes, something slightly more intense than that would absolutely destroy everyone here.
>>736639080>acting surprised one of the five people who posts here uses the same imagesi get you feel pumped about outing the redditor but at this point you're being a bigger schizo than the humanfag
>>736663281>>736663341My point is that the only change to Alphys was her gender. He did not rewrite the character to fit the dyke relationship, Alphyne was always trash. Chances are he only changed Alphys' gender so she wouldn't be despised by everyone (also to hide the selfinserting)
>>736651605Too late
>>736650562Why’s it okay to make Kris a nigger when Kris has yellow skin in game, but it’s not okay to depict Kris as a guy?
>>736650196>Watch 2 cute girls get it on with each other >Can't join inMight as well go through Chinese water torture.
>>736663609The anti-human schizo isn't the guy who outed the redditor, Charabro. That was a FemKris/Humanbro. I'm only posting kimono humans because that seems to trigger the fag who keeps talking about the latinx drama.
>>736637572what happened this time?
>>736663341He compared them because Susie and alphys were intimidating strong girls who care deeply about their friends and had some connection to a shy girl with buckteeth. I mean, yeah. It’s canon. Susie and Noelle like eachother. Romantically may be possible and very obvious but the stream isn’t good enough evidence for that
>>736663951Cope and seethe.
>>736663951Nothing, this is the thread he is referring to>https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/736607405/As you can see, no good arguments against Suselle were presented, it was just "nuh uh"
>>736639080>blatant avatarfagging>not purgedjannies are fags and water is wet
>>736663397The main problem about third entity is that there isn't much build up to it. At least Undertale had the narrator say "it's me, Chara" right in the RUINS in genocide. Meanwhile Deltarune only really has the second voice (which could be Kris) or the examples you mentioned. There's also the fact it's implied Kris was possessed before we got here but it's not clear like you said. Toby would need to give more hints to it in the next chapters.Flowey is a problem because he's just Asriel but soulless in Undertale, I don't see how Asgore’s golden flower could become him. Toby did make Gerson a warrior like in Undertale even though Deltarune Gerson was just a writer, so it's possible the golden flower is just Flowey. It's a curveball though.>>736663869This. You need to have threesomes and brat correct your so called dykes. Toby supports this by creating Snowgrave as well.
>>736664182It's not avatarfagging and you will never be a janny. Kimono humans broke you and the latinx.
>>736638428>ralsusie happening>gaster showing up>chara showing up>(YOU) actually possessing Noelle in the weird route>Asgore getting vindicated by toriel>the inferno of jealously referring to catti>Berdly getting with ANYONE >cuckelleTake your pick
>>736664317the fuck are you on about
>>736638428>>736659231the likelihood of ralsus happening entirely depend on Toby confirming kriselle in ch5’s normal route. Because as funny as it would be no Toby’s not going to have Noelle get cockblocked by revealing susie is straight at least not without establishing a “yuri” pairing for her first
>>736658274ZAMN kris got to rape THAT
>>736664659I post kimono humans to the fag that spams xitter and facebook memes about the latinx controversy (which is more avatarfagging than what I do as it isn't even related to the games) and that makes wannabe jannies seethe as they hate people discussing the actual characters.
>>736664007>and had some connection to a shy girl with buckteethI don't think the buckteeth part was said out loud, though I'm not entirely sure, but I do think it's quite telling that suselle would make an easy parallel to Undertale based on that. In Undyne we have a tough girl with sharp teeth, in Deltarune we have Susie, who is tough and has sharp teeth, in Undertale we have Alphys, a nerdy girl with buckteeth, in Deltarune we have Noelle, also a nerdy girl with buckteeth.
>>736647172>>736647851>is based off Toby’s own personal experiences >is based off Brandish’s male protagonist>is based off earthbound HH’s protagonist why do people say kris isn’t a dude again
>>736664852Because they/them + mentally ill fanbase + Toby has not explicitly said he's a dude.
You guys ever considered the deeply fucked up implications of (You) being able to summon the Cold when you're with Noelle in the Snowgrave route at her home. You already made her freeze shit, but (You) invoke the northern wind when you're with her and take over, the very colour pallete turning into cold hues.That's a fucking Noelle and Carol ability. That's their signature powers, their theme, the whole point of the winter loving and hollidays and shit. Why can fuck can (You), supposedly Kris's Soul, fucking invoke the Northern Wind in her room?
>>736664798nigger this >>736639080 does not help your case. you're both faggots
>>736664182The dude’s just a coomer. If you don’t like him and the 2.5 other humansfags sure, whatever but don’t act like a wannabe janny. for fucks sake even the redditor was less of a fag than you
>>736663737That's true. Alphyne wasn't necessarily yuri, we don't actually know if Toby has a preference to yuri or not but I wouldn't be shocked if he has one. >>736664007Agreed as well but I do feel like it's a hint he likes yuri relationships though and that he plans Suselle for Deltarune.
>>736664908It's just an image being posted a lot, but the xitter latinx memes have been posted a lot, too. At best you can it a ritualpost but it doesn't even happen every thread. You can just filter the kimono human images, there's not many of them.
>>736664960People are just unable to filter images they don't like. I don't even have many kimono human images plus they're relevant to the topic.
>>736664852People want to predict a twist by thinking he's the girl from the prophecy. Kris is really masculine unlike the other two humans.
>>736664852Because Toby is a faggot and the game never refers to kris a dude. if toby just called kris a guy in chapter 1 or specified in a interview that the humans were ambiguous no one would care, most of fanbase didn't care about the gender shit until the Ch2 era. its just that between the game's insestance of using they/them for the humans, toby never elaborating on anything, and toby already being a gigafaggot (who also explained ebnys in a kids show) troons sorta just ran with the idea of kris being canonically non-binary and yelling at everyone else until they accepted it. not like toby's going to weigh in either way
>>736663609A humanfag was the one to expose the Redditor, a FriskCharaposter to be exact.
What would Kris need to do for leftists to finally acknowledge that theythem is clinically mentally ill and not a wholesome innocent chungus?
>>736660850No, the Latinx hate is either from>Actual Brazilians, who pirate games and therefore can't review >Twittertards who virtue signal fandoms they have no business being part of, which also don't play games
>>736665435Probably burning an abortion clinic or something like him being a truly great person because apparently raping a childhood friend doe isn't enough.
>>736665423A FemKrisfag was the one who exposed him for the second time in a more glorious faction.
>>736664908Why are you always so pressed about people posting images? Genuinely get a life, you're pathetic.
>>736650196What a terrible friend.
>>736664007>alphys>intimidating strong girlAnon?
>>736664902>Why can fuck can (You), supposedly Kris's Soul, fucking invoke the Northern Wind in her room?Jaru's schizophrenia is right and the SOUL is Dess and she raped her sister.
>>736665390And this is the same gigafaggot Toby who willingly let the fanbase run rampant with "Chara is the antichrist" for ten years based solely on their dogshit interpretation of one line from Asriel and the fact the character's only on-screen appearance is at the end of Genocide, when said character's unhealthy mindset is validated and given utmost precedent to hold full conviction to, and then allowed them to overcorrect into "Chara is an innocent dindu, how was ANYONE supposed to know what their wacky childish scheme to free everyone would lead into ;_;"..He'd rather die than let anyone know any real information about the humans, they're his most special children he wants everyone to see, but not too much, not too often, not for too long.
How would you react if the knight turns out to not be Dess?
>>736650562>>736652694
>>736665435Be unambiguously evil, like wanting to destroy the world for no greater reason and being the one in control of the Knight or something like that. He also needs to be some sort of chud, maybe he suddenly becomes extremely misogynistic.
>>736664902It's just a hype moment that Toby made to maximize the scene's emotional impact on the viewer without putting any effort into considering how it would fit into his nonexistent worldbuilding.Unless Dess really is stuck inside the DEVICE somehow, which would raise a lot of questions.
>>736663341nothing outside of the games is canon. thanks to the weird route Noelle is mine now.
>>736666002Noelle is for Kris only
>>736665984I'm getting fucked owned by my own screencapped post from way way back, fuck I am actively morphing into a corn cob when I gave Tobias foxington more credit than he owns. Fuck this is surreal.
>>736665390>most of fanbase didn't care about the gender shit until the Ch2 era.This is true. Back in 2015-2020 era the vocal opinion is that Frisk and Chara were whatever you imagined, that only changed once Chapter 2 came out and people like Shayy became popular. I miss the old era a lot.>>736665759Yeah, Toby is extremely autistic about the humans to an almost detrimental degree. A lot of discussions would be avoided if he just explained things but we would lose lots of IMAGINATION as well.
>>736665489erm sweetie (YOU) raped the doe
>>736664274I don't really see Kris saying ''your name is'' given how much he dislikes us. The last thing he'd want is to imply we're taking over his life. If the second voice is its own character, then they're probably the narrator as well, working towards their own goal, taring you away from the Gaster for their own benefit and working against Kris. NarraChara really only has legs to stand on if you're aware of the genocide dialogue. Pacifist has hints to it but it alone isn't enough while with deltarune its front and center at the beginning. Plot wise, it's probably in its best interest to not interfere too much, letting you immerse yourself in the world.
>>736639258this spider is fucked in the head
>>736666235Merg deserves a public apology after the fanbase sided with a pedophile to harass him for drawing porn of adults.
>>736665817I would laugh if the Knight is somehow none of the main candidates, but at the same time I already somewhat believe the Knight is their own guy based on Dess.
>>736666002Based dyke corrector soulchad.
>>736664416>cucking Noelle by possessing her and making her watch as Ralsei fucks Susie and Berdly fucks Kris>forcing Noelle to say stupid shit like "I'm such a strong cuck!"
>>736666430I'm a "made to BE Dess but it isn't Dess" believer myself, it's way too suspect that Ralsei just so happens to know what happens when you try to use Dark Worlds to resurrect dead monsters and only brings this up in the context of the Sound of Justice, a corrupted entity in the form of Gerson who acts feral but expresses genuine conscious malice in its actions.
>>736646510I think its one of the funniest gags Robert has ever done
>>736665759yeah thats the main reason why i don't think kris will be reveal to be 'THE GIRL', or get revealed to be a dude, or confirmed to be non-binary, or we'll get to see kris' birth parents, or frisk and chara again, ect. toby loves his vagueposting with his human fuck heads to give them any drastic reveals beyond what is required for the plot
>>736666338The "your name is" scene is just really strange. It's framed like Asriel telling his name when you fall in waterfall but gets cut off ("my name is"). Toriel is the one who says Kris even so we don't know who the second voice was talking about yet. Kris would actually be directly benefited by having us with him since he now can control what we do, but at the same time the narrator also seems to be working with Kris anyways ("It’s not yet time to watch your hands"). NarraChara was mostly only seem in genocide yeah, but Deltarune doesn't have much outside of the second voice either. I guess we will have to wait and see.>>736666382Like usual humanbros are attacked by the worst people. Merg was always better and more of an OG than the tranny pedo.
>>736666572Same. The Knight is too weird to be a regular lightner. I never bought into the "darkness corrupted Dess" headcanon as it doesn't make any sense, darkness is never show to do that.
>>736667010The narrator's a weird one, their bias changes constantly and they love playing coy with (You) and Kris both.I wouldn't take the "washing your hands" line as proof of cooperation, but more so a cheeky "I know what you're up to, fucker" that the player might not understand until replay.This is the same narrator who enjoys sharing Kris's most intimate and private thoughts with us, a total violation of what he tries to keep from us, and even nearly let us know who The Roaring Knight is before Kris had to hijack the narration by consciously redirecting his thoughts, but then plays clueless and mysterious when it comes to flavor text for the Knight fight.
>>736666067Kris will third wheel in their own body. in b4 the weird route has (you) and Noelle actually having a fun date together
Alright, mad theory time lads.Deltarune is, in fact, a 'Escapism can be unhealthy' type game.But not entirely and not because of the main cast.It's going to be Dess, that went too far down the Rabbit Hole and never came out.Think about it, rebellious girl with a strict mother, already known about in the dark world, ect.The Knight isn't Dess corrupted.It's Dess doing exactly what Dess wants to do.Regardless of who gets hurt in the process or is left behind not knowing what happened to her.
>>736658274thank you based drawfriend
>>736639080There's nothing wrong with avatarfagging, cry about it redditor schizo.
>>736667252>It's going to be Dess, that went too far down the Rabbit Hole and never came out.feel like this role will be taken by asgore
>>736665759>based solely on their dogshit interpretation of one line from Asriel-t. media illiterate
>>736667431>
>>736667431Toby btfo'd you in the anniversary stream, you were wrong for 10 years.
>>736667314That's not avatarfagging, though. It's wild how posting human images trigger schizos but not people posting the same images of other characters.
>>736667252I'm fine with whoever the knight is high probability it's dead but whatever. She can be corrupted she can be doing it because she wants to. all irrelevant. I just want my rematch without Kris interfering with me whooping their butt
>>736667431>posted this for 4 years just for Toby to personally debunk it.https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/Lbr_hgCB0f2xieApR0_UDg/
>>736667465>>736667582that's toby making fun of asriel not defending chara you illiterate retard
>>736667181The narrator is just really weird in Deltarune. The only time they speak in first person is with "My Castle Town" but outside of that they're just weird and inconsistent. It's hard to say if they're even diagetic like you could in Undertale.
>>736667619He's literally explaining his intention behind the line because fans had been misinterpreting it for ten years.Asriel admitting Chara wasn't the best isn't him saying "wow Chara fucking sucks actually, I hate Chara forever", it was Asriel realizing he's been idolizing a version of Chara who never existed.And yet, here he stands, at the flowers where Chara is buried, choosing to spend his final moments as "Asriel" before he has to be "Flowey" again tending to those flowers. The flowers of Chara's grave.If he truly despised Chara, he would have found something better to do than decide Chara had the dignity to have a tended grave.
>>736667194Noelle doesn’t like (You). She’s terrified of you. She only likes Kris
>>736667619Cope.
>>736667252The Knight is just too weird to be regular Dess. Kris or Asgore fit that role better.
>>736666067Noelle is for *me. Kris lost.
>>736667739explain her thanking (you) for thinking about her and giving her the thornring. explain her sado-masochist tendencies that she reveals to Susie. explain how she was okay and even happy with everything (you) and her did in cyber city before we ran into Berdly. explain how she loves being scared and comforted. (You) are the scariest thing in her life yet also her protector. explain it!
>>736667960>explain her thanking (you) for thinking about her and giving her the thornringIt’s a literal mind rape ring >explain her sado-masochist tendencies that she reveals to SusieShe’s a masochist slut who got groomed by Kris’ pranks as a child >explain how she was okay and even happy with everything (you) and her did in cyber city before we ran into BerdlyShe thought it was a dream and under the effects of literal magic >explain how she loves being scared and comfortedBecause she likes Kris’ pranks
>>736667737"Shouldn't be Idolized" is an absurd tone deaf excuse for CharaLoving friends and parents who were good but flawed people shouldn't be idolizedChara schemed a suicide pact and tried to force Asriel to kill innocent people and caused his death and still never understood what was wrong with that, and the best he could say is "golly! I guess Chara wasn't that cool of a person"Asriel is a retard with stockholm syndrome
>>736667960Don't forget, she also makes a big fuss about wanting to go to the festival with "Kris" to the point where Carol has to call in at the dead of night to double check with Kris just because of how abrupt and uncharacteristically sudden it is.At that point she KNOWS it's all (You), and here she is wanting to monopolize your time as a result of the attention, kink fulfillment and self-development (getting stronger so she can finally stand up to people who aren't Kris and Rudy) you've given her.
>>736668131noelle being "mind raped" by (you) is boring. I prefer to think that this is just how she is deep inside all along and you're just bringing that side of her out
>>736667010I don't think the narrator is working with him. Kris does not want you to gain access to the bunker while the narrator spills the beans on what used to be on the panel. If anything, the narrator is attempting to keep things on track for the prophecy with Kris trying to pull something with the Knight while Gaster tried to give you total control by substituting Kris with the vessel
>>736667737This also happens with Monster Kid and Undyne in the epilogue too but nobody argues Undyne is pure evil. I think it's just Chara being a vague character where Toby leaves details up to interpretation plus autists only seeing in black and white.
>>736668325She definitely has dark tendencies deep down but the ring literally causes a mind control trance
>>736668131you made some good points but forgot to comment on (you) being the terror and protector in her life. (you)'re just capitalizing on these old bonds in a new way. it's a classic love story. Kris has to suck it up. (you) made her smile.
>>736668346That's because Undyne was able to be redeemed and had screentime of her being a quirky chungus lesbian, making quips with Papyrus and bantering about things like puzzles where you have to time the pukes, prior to Monster Kid deciding he's found a new idol.But ultimately it just comes back to "Toby is a gigafaggot" because he could have very easily shown scenes of Chara prior to concocting The Plan that aren't flashback stills, but didn't because he's the only one who's allowed to know who Chara really is, even to the point where she only really exists as a meta commentary in Genocide.
>>736668229Asriel knows Chara fell for an unhappy reason and that she hated humanity. He also knows part of it was also his fault for following her plan and not stopping her. He also knows he did worse as Flowey so he can't judge her. Him hating Chara would be hypocritical in his view.>>736668335The narrator just describes everything that you interact with, it's on the job. It does describe the code in the guitar very slowly, to the point Kris can rip us out before it finishes. It's just weirdly inconsistent.
>>736667960>explain how she was okay and even happy with everything (you) and her did in cyber city before we ran into Berdly.Because it was with Kris. Kris has always made her leas afraid of things, and made her more brave in general. Also she's kind of a freak.
>>736667960>explain her thanking (you) for thinking about her and giving her the thornringCould be brainwashing, or some other entity possessing her, or her being so mindbroken by the rapening she no longer knows what's happening to her and is deluding herself it was Kris who was thinking of her, not (You).>explain her sado-masochist tendencies that she reveals to Susie>explain how she loves being scared and comfortedThat's just her core personality and has no relation to (You).>explain how she was okay and even happy with everything (you) and her did in cyber city before we ran into BerdlyUh no she wasn't, the vast majority of her actions were you yanking her by the chain, usually directly against her explicitly spoken wishes. The murder of the shopkeeper and shoving her into the beam to force her to disable it or be killed were the two most egregious examples. The rest of her murder spree could easily be rationalized as her mentally shutting down and passively going along with your wishes after experiencing the horror of the above two.>(You) are the scariest thing in her life yet also her protector.Sure with the former, but the latter is just your own personal wishes, not what Noelle the character experiences from you.>explain it!Doecoomer 4channers that did not exist back when Toby was finalizing writing the game's outline between 2015 and 2018 are not the target audience of the route - post-UT genocidefags are. The primary goal is to kill everyone - it was explicitly shown in the sword route. The rape business is just a side bonus to outdo UT Genocide by maximize cruelty and suffering inflicted before you bring the knife down on everyone.
>>736668672It's not hypocritical to admit someone sucks if you can also admit your own flaws. There is no reason for Asriel to excuse Chara this much when he himself gets called out and punished by the narrative, but not Chara. For some reason, Chara isn't allowed to be held accountable for their sins accordingly.
>>736668580Toby did show one scene of Chara and Asriel playing around where he tries to make her smile, plus the jokes you can tell to Woshua which seems to be about Chara. But yes, there's very little of Chara just being a normal kid and not a meta conceptual demon.
>>736638089>dark fountain inside a dark fountain = titan>ralsei's fountain is "pure darkness"ralsei's castle town is a titan. a fountain within a fountain (it's inside the closet dark world)ralsei doesn't want lightners to open fountains inside fountains because they summon titans that are strong enough to break his pure darkness monopolythe knight is an edgelord, which is why her titan looks like an erpg boss fight
why is he like this
>>736638428knight takes off helmet and there's a smaller knight helmet underneath it
>>736669021
>>736668880Chara is punished by being literally dead and possibly stuck to the underground forever as well as being soulless. At least Flowey has a body and can hang out with his friends. Plus Asriel does acknowledge Chara's flaws, he just doesn't think she's satan.
>>736668678yet now she knows about (you) as if chapter 4's end and wants to do more stuff with (you) huh curious
>>736663504Susellefags had been humililated by tumblr beating them with Krusie on shipping charts
>>736664007If Suselle was real then Toby would never mention it to avoid spoilers
>>736668707another entity aside from us? get out of here.sado-masochist tendencies. (you)'re just capitalizing on them fair point.cyber city. yes she was. the final mouse puzzle has her gleefully freezing it and before the Berdly fight she actively wants to freeze more enemies.terror and protector. (you) are both. you terrify her in chapters 2 and 4 but at the same time without (you) the world falls into darkness. doecoomers. toby's been on the Internet long enough he knew what was going to happen when making a sperg girl like Noelle
>>736669072Kris Cuckmurr
>>736669112>Chara is punished by being literally dead and possibly stuck to the underground forever as well as being soulless.How and why is a human persisting to exist despite being soulless
>>736669021>>736669072This is not canon, Dess would never resist molesting him. But this is the second time I've seen people portray Kris being jealous of Dessriel which is kind of weird.
>>736669286Chara is with Frisk.
>>736638428>Chapter 5 opens, YOU are stuck in the bird cage, Kris is nowhere to be seen>The window opens>Susie climbs inside>"Where's Kris? Damn it I wanted to... Wait, it's that red thing." >"Why are you locked up buddy? You helped us out with the Titan, rough deal being in a cage for that, lets get you out of that cage"
>>736665817We already know Noelle is the knight. Only retards will be surprised by it now.
>>736669324Why?
>>736636992It's probably going to be out in June unless Toby randomly decides that the chapter sucks and delays it by a year trying to chase perfection like Chapter 3 just for it to be even worse
>>736669286Chara's essence is attached to Frisk thanks to her determination reviving her when she fell into her grave, just like Asriel was attached to a golden flower.
>>736669407Similar wavelength of unprecedented determination that resonated with Chara's lingering presence.
it would’ve been a blast if toby started a Tenna sweepstakes and had more secret pages showing chapter 5 content. There was a lot to work off of and that’s a huge reason why there were 5 billion mikes and gameshow hosts. Chapters 3 and 4 not following the two before aren’t what killed it.But because it’s coming so soon and we know almost nothing about it there isn’t as much motivation. But unlike another person who complaint about this before me, I would actually pay good money to see fan takes of the light word segments. Like these!
>>736669021>>736669072The Soul could help Kris take revenge, the Soul could help Kris be strong enough to finally take matters into his own hands, The Soul could help him make things right once and for all. If only he listened, if only he wasn't so scared, if only he just played along.
>>736669339Susie wanted to rape Kris?
>>736669424>chase perfection like Chapter 3 just for it to be even worsechapter 3 was bad, but if the only good part about it (MANTLE) wasnt in then it wouldve killed deltarune for me
>>736669505By that logic shouldn't Frisk revive a dozen different monsters whose dust lies over stuff everywhere across the underground because their determination is that powerful
>>736669407Because she fell into her grave and thus her determination awakened her essence.
>>736669528There's this weird route fangame that released recently about Chapter 5.https://youtu.be/r5GpPJMQAGY
>>736669643I assume it's different for monsters as the determination needs to injected in the object their dust is on and that object needs to be an actual living one. Maybe Frisk could only revive Chara because their soul color is the same.
So knowing that Toby is an unironic charafag. What’s the likelihood that he makes dess Chara 2.0?
>>736669592You didin't pick up on all the Hints Toby put in place about it? Lmao learn 2 Media Literacy
>>736669798This is how it feels like when some people talk about Dess being so horrible for hitting Kris with the wiffle bat.
>>736669713Oh yeah, I saw this before! I’m also excited for world of loud silence and pantheon of the discarded. They’re not even out yet and I can already say they’re gonna be as popular as undertale yellow when they come out. One person I know would love the latter for being a time capsule of that era of the fanbase.
>>736669875Dess is actually going to be properly explained and elaborated upon, because thankfully, she's not a they/them cinnamon roll human so special to Toby he refuses to elaborate on them
>>736669875Unlikely, Dess so far has nothing to do with Chara. I could see her being the rebellious loud mouthed fanon Chara, though.
>>736667314there was in-fact enough wrong with it that it got a global rule, newfag
>>736670004This, we already know a lot about her general interests and past compared to Chara, who has a bio that boils down to "likes chocolate, favorite number is nine, hates humans, suicidal and recklessly ambitious".
>>736669892I feel bad for future Susie imagine getting lied to and betrayed by both your party members
>>736669791So you don't have an explanation for it and things just happened to Chara because the plot demands it
>>736669347(you)
>>736669798This is like when Al Capone got arrested for tax evasion and not his actual real crimes.
>>736670091When is acting like a mini mod going to be a global rule?
So what do you think the secret boss is gonna be? Forgotten man? Friend? Cowboy puppet? Flower? Dess?
Hag love
>>736670169The holiday administration corruption runs deep. This is the best the police could do
>>736667906I just realized hmofa is the self insert barbie / batman figure analogy, they are exactly like the women who want to insert themselves into every piece of media
>>736670126Not really, Flowey is an example of that happening to monsters. Maybe the fall left a big impact and that's how Frisk revived Chara.
>>736639080the charatranny needs to diversify a little bit, yikes!
>>736669961>and pantheon of the discarded.I never heard of this. What's the game about? But yeah, I wish there were more fantakes of Chapter 5.>>736670238FRIEND or a skeleton like Papyrus or the Forgotten Man. I think the schizo has to be an extremely important character, more than Gerson was.
>>736669279>another entity aside from us? get out of here.We're at the maximum questions-to-answers ratio stage of the story and know jackshit about the setup and the exact nature of what's going on. Just pointing out many different possible ways that your 100% assured assertion about the meaning of Noelle's spoken words can fall apart.>the final mouse puzzle has her gleefully freezing it and before the Berdly fight she actively wants to freeze more enemiesThe point is that it could just as well be interpreted as some combination of mindbreak and surrender. Your assertion is that she's into it to the point she might want a repeat performance in the future. My assertion is that it's equally likely she's not and would actively protest if you tried to coerce to one (assuming "Noelle" is even still Noelle herself post-rapening and not a case of brainwashing / possession / death of personality / catastrophic scrambling of mind).>but at the same time without (you) the world falls into darknessShow me the part of the game where she learns that.>toby's been on the Internet long enough he knew what was going to happen when making a sperg girl like NoelleEven if this were true (I disagree because I strongly doubt Toby thinks like we do; besides we're just a drop of piss in the sea of his mainstream audience that doesn't sexualize her at all), it doesn't challenge my main argument.
>>736667737>He's literally explaining his intention behind the line[CITATION NEEDED]
>>736670237Presumably when avatarfags stop acting like gigantic victims, so never
>>736670126This is the correct answer. Truth is Toby just wanted to do the genocide reveal, so Chara was awakened by determination for plot convenience. The explanation is there but it's up to you to headcanon the function behind it if you so choose.This is how a lot of writers do things. They start with a set of things they want to include in their story then justify it later, usually with a half assed vague answer. Not many go in there with a well established set of rules their world adheres to.
>>736639258>Legal? Well, I'm 58 in spider years, tee-hee!
>>736639351I admit the memes have been hilarious especially if you know spanish.
>>736670732Spamming a thread because humans in kimono triggers you so much doesn't help anyone. Try applying for the position once it's open up again. Maybe you can finally do something in your life.
>>736661320>says they love Yuri>show a hetero ship?????
>>736670530the redditor hateds humanfag. are (YOU) a redditor?
>>736670587If you look deep enough you’ll find more like I did but yeah there isn’t a lot like you said.
>>736670912No, that's the anti-human schizo. He literally uses ch*ratranny as his signature, he said so before.
>>736639258That’s a baby spider
>>736670732If jannies actually bothered to enforce "no general threads outside of /vg/" we wouldn't have this problem.
>>736670530Stop replying multiple times to the same post.
>>736671060>anti-human schizo also hates these threadsWe knew that already but thanks for the reminder.
>>736671098first time posting in this thread, cope
>>736670675you make some good points anon. aside from the third entity I totally agree with you on these possible interpretations. aside from us being her protector. just because someone doesn't know you're actively protecting them doesn't mean you aren't. Noelle doesn't really need to know. as for you last point come on anon toby's been in the Internet trenches for years! even on xitter and blue sky there's hmofa stuff. i do hope Noelle won't lost her personality and become our puppet. that'd make her voring. I hope toby will instead go into her darker side. anyway I enjoyed our little discussion. rare to get that.
>>736670732these threads are full of redditors, furries, and pedos and somehow you're the biggest fag of them all
>>736638089Castle town is wonky and warped because it's all drawn on paper
Is Sans still the most popular character?Everyone but OG sansfags (and fangirls) kinda just hates him now, and nobody bothers trying to include him into theories anymore.
>>736671491somehow hes become the "ugly bastard" of UTDRthe majority hates him while a small minority thinks hes unbelievably based
>>736670952I wish there were, I was always hyped for the flower shop Dark World.
>>736669114(You) are an excuse to be close to Kris, again. Either that, or she still doesn't know somehow.
>>736671491Given that seeing Papyrus seems to be a dead thread, and Sans is meanwhile fucking Toriel, people kinda just gave up on caring about the skelebros because the real mysteries are now Dess, the Roaring Knight, who the conspiracy crew is comprised of and what methods they're using to accomplish the likely goal of "bring back Dess", the Weird Route, whatever the fuck happened to Mike, and whatever the fuck FRIEND's deal is.
>>736671628>fucks drunk women at grillby's>wouldve fucked alphys if not for undyne, toby makes sure to state this in the 10th anni>fucks toriel>fucks toriel again>will fuck asgore>will fuck kris>will then take a picture of his haremWHAT THE FUCK IS HIS ENDGAME
>>736671297What about Noelle’s room
>>736670417You just now realized that? They're furries that deny being furries.
>>736671852Get sent to Undertale's universe then die by the hand of a player doing the genocide route. That's the endgame.
>>736671804I’m hyped for ANY dark world showing up. Chapter 4 showed there can be multiple and I’m betting that this concept will be explored to the fullest by chapter 6 and 7
>>736671821that doesn't really make sense with the whole ME scene anon. toby would have to pull something out of his cheeks to make it so Noelle still thinks Kris is the one who did all that to her
>>736670754Chara showing up at the end of genocide os supposed to mirror us knowing who Frisk truly is at the end of pacifist as they're a duality between each other. You're right Toby could've explained better why Frisk and only Frisk could awaken her.
>>736671852cucking asgore through time and space
>>736671491Yes, he still is, globally, at least. He still has the most fanworks and art for him. Heck, he was the most popular secret boss prediction for 5 after the chapters came out. I think him being mostly a joke in Deltarune so far has made people stop caring about putting him in Deltarune (but there was also that one twitter trend of telling Sans about Deltarune a few months back).>>736671628This was always the case, only women portray him as being super handsome stud, regular people treat him as an ugly bastard even before Chapter 4 like with all the "befriending" mom jokes.
>>736671237While I do think that writing Noelle as v2 of DDLC's Monika would not only make her a vast improvement over her template but also make WR a much more compelling story than just Genocide v2, I strongly doubt that this is something Toby himself would write. At the end of the day he's a leftist helming a project developed by a team consisting mostly of western hardcore leftists that would not agree to being complicit in making an "evil route that rewards the evil chud player with a happy romance" (it's very possible the rose censorship was a result of someone in the team but not working on the route finding out and throwing a bitchfit) and an even more rabid core fanbase he would instantly lose. That's the second biggest meta argument why (You)elle has negligible chances of happening.
>>736672146The rules in UT and Delta are left vague for a reason. The more he explains, the higher the chances he ends up contradicting them, ending up with plot holes. It's why I think literally anything is possible with future deltarune chapters.I mean I don't even think Frisk is the one that awakens Chara, it's us. But that's by headcanon explanation
>>736672065Yeah, multiple Dark Worlds is something no real fantake really explores. We could easily have a ton of fountains in Chapter 5 outside of the flower shop.
>>736671852Be a milffag that slowly gets converted into a cunnyfag.
>>736672938There would if there was more incentive and more material. All we have is a trashcan and a tree and the notion that there might be plant people
>>736672813That's something Toby learned all the way back in his Halloween Hack. He knows to keep things vague to generate fan engagement and to be able to do whatever he wants in his story. Like we don't know exactly how darkner petrification works so he can write whatever by who fits or not.I only say Frisk revives Chara to explain why it was her fall which did so, but (you) are the one who names and calls for Chara.
>>736672751really hope you're wrong. Aside from Noelle being cute I really like screwing with Kris on the weird route (the trashcan scene, making them bite their hand during the piano scene, and making them kick the prayer candles when we try to pray for Noelle) makes the game so much more fun.
>>736673320Toby just hasn't given us any teasers unlike with 3 and 4. It's rough.
>>736672751I really do think all this build up about making Noelle stronger will just lead us to using her up like an object which is quite sad. Hopefully the festival date is kino.
>>736673320>All we have is a trashcan and a treei hate how true this is
>>736671491femoids want him, men want to make remixs of his song, at least one faggot here wants to be him. even now people shitpost about bullying him in a future undertale hard mode
>>736645796>>736646709Sans is one of the possible final bosses alongside Asriel/Flowey and Asgore.He is also a massive walking plot hole with that many unexplained things about him.Gaster is THE ONE SINGULAR THING that was foreshadowing DR in UT.I think it's pretty reasonable to expect them to be important somehow.>>736646801Mike got the exact same kind of foreshadowing Queen got, and Undertale already had a habit of name-dropping future characters a similar way. And then he turned out to be just a joke against people who dared to expect anything out of that after 10 years of the games working that way.
>>736671491>Is Sans still the most popular character?He is.Regardless, it's irrelevant if westerners hate him or not. The nips LOVE him to death.
>>736638428Krusie with FemKris
>>736671852>goes from fucking toriel to molesting krisman sans really fell off
>>736674428I only want to be the cunnychad fanon Sans that can do everything bad and yet women still love him.
>>736671852>goes from dateraping toriel to sex with krisman sans got his shit together
>>736669892It's funny that Susie says this and then immediately lies to Noelle about what's going on and refuses to tell Kris what's going on in her life When she does end up learning the truth I think she's going to become a sad, broken lump pretty quick instead of a berserker.
>>736659813We don't know yet, but it is tallied on the stats screen so I'm holding off on it just in case Toby has some bullshit planned.
>>736640261Her highness is super cute!
>>736674489>Mike got the exact same kind of foreshadowing Queen gotLike one actual word and then you had to use context and inference to figure out his actual role in events to come?>but the context is that being mentioned once is how Queen was brought up!Going from King to Queen is a lot more natural than going from Queen to Mike.
>>736638428>craziest curveballsChapter 5 turning out to be like a chapter 2 WAIT era dark world prediction, i.e.>gardening theme everywhere >john flower main boss>goofy schizo boss revealing deep lore>Asgore wandering there confused>weird route in the dark world where you genoslide everyone this would be the most unexpected development right now
>>736671179What's more delusional, lying to yourself so often or lying to others this much?
>>736674953>>736674953>Like one actual word and then you had to use context and inference to figure out his actual role in events to come?Exactly, Sans and Papyrus would be hard to figure out since Toriel only makes one vague reference and the Ruins are too short to get a feel on how the full game would play out (but Flowey pretty much gives away his whole deal there), but Undyne, Alphys, Asgore and the Amalgamates would be perfectly predictable with only the hints left before they show up.>Going from King to Queen is a lot more natural than going from Queen to Mike.Because...?
>>736675146But that's only unexpected because there's no real reason to expect it anymore. always thought that era of predictions was missing something and it's great to have a better understanding of why, now.
>>736674639I'll be shocked if Toby ever acknowledges how hypocritical Susie is.
>>736674579Canon Sans might be a milfhunter but fanon Sans will always molest underaged human pussy.
>>736675082Why is Kris so opposed to this
>>736675529The fact is that everyone who immediately positioned Mike as the boss of the next chapter after hearing Spamton mention him was doing something stupid enough that it deserved to be mocked.>Because...?Jevil mentioning Queen only had immediate relevance because we had the context of King, not because Jevil was "just important" and every noun he mentioned had to be a new potential boss. Spamton mentioned Mike in the context of what sounded like a TV crew. Why would the microphone be the BOSS of the whole TV crew? There's no reasonable way to extrapolate that unless you're making blind assumptions based on what you see other people doing and then looking to the game only to justify them.
>>736675619She's not a human, so there's a good chance it could come up eventually.
>>736674570I said this before but this is THE ultimate monkeypaw for /v/.
>>736675810Kris only likes the dino or Dess. He dislikes the stinky young deer.
>>736675575Yeah I get people got repetitive with Firegrave style predictions and shit, but this is just how the series had operated to that point, and those expectations got defying mostly by replacing them with nothing, or changing the appeal to something very different to what we had.
>>736676005It also didn't help that the WAIT was conditioning us to analyze out-of-game media thanks to the newsletters and Spamton Sweepstakes, when such things only existed BECAUSE of the WAIT in the first place, so people were starting to really stretch that definition out into merchandise as "evidence" for how things will play out.
>>736675810rape is bad
>>736676005No, the concept of "just" exploring a dark world and getting fully involved with its self-contained plot without any real care shown to the protagonists or why they're here was getting repetitive as a whole, not just the part where people predicted we'd manipulate a lightner into killing enemies. I never expected the series to continue onward like that.>those expectations got defying mostly by replacing them with nothing, or changing the appeal to something very different to what we had.The thing I was interested in, even back in chapter 2, was what the fuck the main characters had to do with all this, not what wacky item man we were going to meet next. The most "oh boy, time for more wacky interactions with a new character!" interaction in the game by my book is sweet cap & cakes, who are also coincidentally the biggest wastes of time in the whole game.
>>736675810please refer to this post >>736666002
>>736638428>>736669339>Chapter 5 opens>Still the middle of the night>Stuck in bird cage>Kris nowhere to be seen>Something causes the cage to open>Free to explore the room, can't open the door though>Window is open>Leave>Very brief Light World section where you fly to Noelle's house>Enter through a window / vent into Noelle's room>Posses her>???>Kris and Susie boss fight later on
>>736676291He shouldn’t have seduced Noelle and promised he’d protect her. He drove her buck wild
>>736675831Extrapolating him to be the next main boss right away might have went a bit too sudden, but you never fight Alphys yet she was foreshadowed and got to play a role in the story.Once the name Tenna was revealed people accepted they were separate characters very easily.Stop repeating this argument, post sweepstakes Mike was either expected to have the kind of role Ramb got, or to be the secret boss which technically happened.He could have just been a lesser NPC and I'd been fine with it, I'm just bothered Toby just used that hook to take a piss on his fans like that.
>>736676337Noelle and the player just become Goku black and zamasu then just start constantly shit talking everyone. would be hilarious
>>736676005I was always against firegrave, it never made sense to manipulate Toriel into genocides. I always knew Noelle only did so because she has no spine.
>>736676478Time to enact>The Zero Lightners Plan
>>736676424>Extrapolating him to be the next main boss right away might have went a bit too sudden, but But nothing! The fandom got a name from a secret boss and apparently thought that that was the exact same as Queen's foreshadowing.>b-but the fandom switched once we got the name Tenna!And they were still going off of each other's thoughts on what Mike's role would be rather than reading the actual text of the game and predicting based on that. My objection is to the idea that the game itself in any way even IMPLIED that Mike would have a role. That comes entirely from the fandom.>He could have just been a lesser NPC and I'd been fine with it, I'm just bothered Toby just used that hook to take a piss on his fans like that.His role matches the hook he was given. You're mad it doesn't match the fandom's interpretation of the hook he was given. That is all.
>>736676424But Mike was a major NPC in Chapter 3. It's just that it was later revealed that Mike was three fake goobers and the real Mike is missing (and if you think Mike is FRIEND then he was part of the secret boss with ERAM)
Why does such a non character like chara spark so much debate?I much prefer Gaster theorizing, desu senpai.
>>736676187People did that because it worked in the past.>>736676297Shit like Papyrus and Mettaton are pretty much irrelevant to the main plot of UT, yet they take a huge amount of time and attention.But fine, you will get exactly what you want, another 4 hours of Susie and Ralsei crying about their emotional issues and deer/goat family drama. I just thought the series was going to keep following the style it had for 10 years in UT and the first two chapters of DR.
>>736638428We're probably going to get Knight ID reveal at the very end of the chapter (if only by process of elimination due to them/her appearing on screen at the same time as everyone else). Craziest thing would be Vessel reveal at the very end (we get to explore a room or two with it) or the next part of Snowgrave involves Noelle getting Used Up and she's just dead at the end of the chapter. >>736667252I think there is some element of supernatural corruption but it's probably 95% the "real" Dess under the mask and not some sort of Masked Man zombie puppet situation. Having Dess' main conflict being her clash with Carol's strictness, her lack of "Freedom", neatly ties together a whole bunch of other themes and if she's choosing to try and make the Roaring happen or otherwise cover the world in Darkness, just because she can, would also tie into Kris' own shit with the Weird Route in a neat package that NO OTHER IDENTITY FOR THE KNIGHT COULD. Most people will probably dismiss you for the theory not being "interesting" enough though.
>>736676958Depending on how you interpret Chara's role in the story, they can be used as a scapegoat for the player's own negative choices.Some people feel bad enough about being mean to the Undertale cast that they feel the need to be absolved of it.If Chara has a definitive role and it isn't mind controlling Frisk into doing genocide, these people lose their argument.
>>736637308>I LOVE WAITing. I love waiting for months for Chapter 5. I love waiting 3 years for Chapters 6 and 7. I sure love WAITing.anon it not going to take that long for the game to release now since he only has 2 things left to do before releasing the game that areplaytest the game which they are doing it rigth now and then they have to just port the game to other consoles.
>>736676958Undertale only happens because of Chara. No Chara, no Undertale. Plus they're involved in the genocide route and that attracts mental illness as some players don't like being responsible for the epic genoslides. Chara is just an important character to the lore and is vague enough people can have endless debates about her. Feels rough when people barely care about Frisk.
Given the foreshadowing of the Mantle game, Noelle dying is pretty likely, but I don't think it's something that's gonna happen in Chapter 5, I think it will be left for later, maybe Chapter 6.
>>736677005>Papyrus and Mettaton are pretty much irrelevant to the main plot of UTWrong, they both play an important role in showing exactly how the average monster thinks about the "war" with the surface and how it plays into their regular lives.>you will get exactly what you want, another 4 hours of Susie and Ralsei crying about their emotional issues and deer/goat family dramaWill you faggots stop insisting that all character actions other than beating the next antagonist and moving on are "muh crying about muh emotions"? It's starting to get really sad how little you're able to actually engage in the game you're choosing to play.
>>736677091That shit is 100% going to take at least until July to finish, there's 0% chance for a first half release, and a June release is unlikely, July is the earliest realistic release candidate. Yes, I know it makes no sense, but this whole game's fucking development makes no sense.
>>736677091There's at least 2 to 3 months left, if not more. You overestimate Toby's competence.
>>736671628He even has Aliza. My god, he's gonna have a human harem!
>>736677580But that's his daughter in certain AUs...
>>736677348Frisk has even less going on to really cling onto to make it easy to care without basically turning a self-insert into an OC, the most we have on an objective basis is "unfathomably determined, dislikes soda" and everything else is a big mystery for the player to decide since the game's not telling and Toby won't tell either.
>>736675810Lesbian rape is bad.
You know what's a scary thought? Toby said the Japanese translation would be finished in April, but he didn't say exactly when in April. There's a very good chance the Japanese translation is somehow STILL not fully done.
>>736677617He's not only a cunnychad but he's into incest too? MY HERO...
>>736636992deltarune will be delayed
>>736677719fuck japs, release chaper 5 in english nowjaps know english
>>736672138>still thinks Kris is the one who did all that to hernta, but i wouldn't rule out that possibility yetThere was a significant timeskip before the bathroom, Kris didn't go directly to beat your shit, and the last ARG was about the specific time when she smiled, anything could have happened in that timeskip, or maybe not but it seems importantAlso Kris always is taking the blame instead of telling the truth
He should make the translation and charge money for itSurely the Latinx don't expect him to work for free, do they?
>>736678185He won't because the notes for translators to localize the game into other languages would require him to divulge Kris's gender identity for languages where ambiguity is impossible, when he wants to keep it completely and utterly ambiguous, a secret only he's allowed to know.
>>736678185>Surely the Latinx don't expect him to work for free, do they?Their reasoning is that since they paid for the product, a product that was clearly advertised as NOT having a Spanish translation mind you, they're automatically entitled to an official translation.
>>736678185se dice latine
>>736677719Doesn't matter as long as it doesn't affect the playtesting process too much.
>>736678026>people are trying to dissect this shit like a crime sceneI doubt Toby "Just imagine lmao" Fox was considering time progression when he wrote this.
>>736677719>had TWO chapters to test this with last april and still came out on june>somehow its "later half of this year"is toby retarded
>>736677719japs are based, keep the translation until they're donejust learn japanese gaijins
>>736678287yes it does, they have to test japanese text overflow
>>736678368Imagine how long ch 6/7 will take
>>736678327>I doubt Toby "Just imagine lmao" Fox was considering time progression when he wrote this.every black screen is a timeskipits why literally everyone got to where they need to be after church before we even stepped out
>>736678368>is toby retardedWhen it comes to actually taking control of a dev team, yes, hiring the producer helped, but not even the producer can make Deltarune's development time not be excruciatingly slow.
>>736677642I like that we need to infer their characters via their behavior and we can IMAGINE it outside of having it all spelled out. One good thing about the latinx drama is that I found out both Frisk and Kris actually speak in the japanese translation of the game, their actions are narrated in first person which explains why I've never saw the mute headcanon there.
>>736678487>every black screen is a timeskipCorrect. Sans isn't teleporting, Kris is just politely allowing him to move from place to place every time (You) hit the area transition borders in Hometown.
>>736678026that's a hard sell. aside from Kris telling Carol to rush home because of what happened. non zero percent chance Noelle could still attribute what happened to Kris but then again how would Kris explain the supernatural stuff that happened before her eyes and Noelle even testing to make sure the voice speaking to her was separate from Kris
>>736677430The monster/human war has never been more than a simple backdrop for the story around the power of SAVE.I'll never stop insisting because that's exactly what the game turned into. UT had a big ensemble cast despite being a much shorter game, DR keeps focusing on the same 4 fuckers I found boring from day 1.I engaged with the game, by laughing at the gags, talking to NPCs, searching clues for the future of the story and looking for better gear and strategy to fight enemies and bosses.
>>736678185Well dragon quest and silk song taught me one lesson and that is for the devs to always hire a professional translator and not a fucking hack.
>>736678403japs are cucks
I think the actual scariest thought is that Toby might simply delay the release date for some stupid fucking reason. He did it for the Switch 2 release, perhaps there is something that might make him just decide to delay it for whatever reason even though the new chapter is fully ready to ship.
>>736678327Anon, there was literally not long ago an ARG about ''how long did it take her to smile'' that people were putting random numbers and getting responses
>>736678487That doesn't mean he's keeping a step-by-step timeline of who's where and when.
>>736678549I don't agree with a lot of this post but the Suselle thing is spot on, any toxic elements people might perceive in Susie and Noelle's relationship are completely invisible to Toby. I don't think for a second he believe anything he's doing with regards to Susie and Noelle is toxic.
>>736678675>That doesn't mean he's keeping a step-by-step timeline of who's where and when....why wouldn't he?
>>736676958Gaster is more or less pure speculation while there's things we know Chara did/was involved with and just has more presence overall on both routes as well as being the main reason the story even kicks off.The info we have on her is vague enough to where you can interpret her character pretty much any way you want.
>>736678663>he did it for Switch 2He was legally required to because he struck a deal with Nintendo. They'll feature his release day trailer on their Nintendo Direct, but only if he made an exclusive version of the Mike Fight & Minigames using Switch 2 hardware and also made it so Deltarune was synced to release on the same day as the Switch 2.
>>736678594sans is a special case, of course, but you already knew thats the black screens im referring to.
>>736678368he is retarded, and I think last year's release was only delayed to June because of NS2 launch and was probably ready by either end of April or May. That being said, I do think it was a conservative estimate on his part, he probably saw how development was going at the time and didn't want to get anyone's expectations up in case an issue came but I think right now, things are running well and there's less post-testing hurdles to overcome. I expect an early June release, but it could be even sooner if things are going well.
>>736678787Because that's a different kind of autism to the one Toby has.
>>736678609>the monster/human war is just a backdrop to the ACTUAL story which is all about me doing simple video game stuff!Can you really not see how self serving this view is?>that's exactly what the game turned intoYour belief that any scene with more of an emotional profile than "it means tity" is tantamount to the characters whining into the camera proves that your interpretation of the story is worthless.>DR keeps focusing on the same 4 fuckers I found boring from day 1.They were the most prominent characters even back then. You believing the story would somehow not focus on them was never a reasonable assumption.>I engaged with the gameBy crossing your fingers that the main plot would never develop and crying whenever it showed signs of doing so.
>>736678663We don't know if he actually delayed the game for the Switch 2. That's speculation.
>>736678549>HE GENUINELY DIDNT KNOW THE ROSE WOULD BE TAKEN THAT WAY>NEITHER DID HIS ENTIRE TEAM>OR PLAYTESTERSTHIS is peak Toby Engine.
>>736678602Mind you i think for sure the truth will be revealed, but the only thing Kris did before CH4 was remove the thorn and tell her everything will be alright without telling the truth, Kris already lied about the situation
>>736678638They're Toby's preferred race, have some respect.
>>736678786Not only does Toby not see it, all the women he surrounds himself with actually eat that shit up because toxic yuri is their vice, so they don't tell him what he's ACTUALLY writing and instead just keep squealing with delight whenever this dumbfuck dog somehow conceives yet another beautifully unhealthy aspect of the dynamic.
>>736678663This is my biggest fear. Him sitting on it so he can show it off on some nintendirt direct or whatever. I mean he treats this shit like every chapter is a brand new game coming out.
The real Toby truke is that he's not as smart as people like to think he is but because he's not as involved in the community as Hussie was people haven't figured this out yet.
>>736678962I doubt Nintendo would give him a spot if it wasn't certain he'd be able to deliver it. The chaptesr must have been 100% ready to ship by the end of April.
>>736679262who is hussie?
>>736679131>Kris and Frisk are yellow because they're just offensive Asian depictionsDo they have the round glasses and buck teeth too
>>736678938Keeping track of your cast, within only FOUR instances of the same map, (ch. 1 afternoon, chapter 2 afternoon, chapter 4 pre-rain and post-rain where next to nobody is outside) isn't a big deal.
>>736679262Toby is involved in the old fanbase which is why he only mentions Sans AUs and other fancontent.
>>736679256This is 99% what's happening, the fact we're in "no more updates or newsletters" mode means he's saving the moneyshot for the summer direct.
>>736679365This is speculation, maybe the game truly wasn't completed or Toby did it out of his own free will as he is a tendie.
>>736679401So what are we looking atA September release?
>>736679401this mother father better at the end of chapter 5 better say that 6 and 7 are gonna come out together next year or I'm gonna flip. screw the egg man
>>736678549Yeah this is unfortunately true. He just likes his quirky horny lesbian writing, he doesn’t understand how weird Noelle comes off
>>736676291It's not rape.
>>736679380The original image was analyzing characters' whereabouts moment by moment through a single scene. That's way beyond chapter by chapter.
>>736679262>The real Toby truke is that he's not as smart as people like to think he isthe spics exposed this already
>>736679401tbf we didn't get any newsletters during testing last time either. It's not like he can say that much besides ''we're working on it'' and he's certainly not going to give a release date until the thing is 100% ready to be shipped.
>>736677348>Undertale only happens because of Chara. No Chara, no Undertale. Well yeah because he ruined monster society by killing himself and getting Asriel killed. That doesn't make him interesting, just evil and retarded
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>>736677413>Given the foreshadowing of the Mantle game, Noelle dying is pretty likely,No.
>>736679375Toby did hire an actress that wore glasses to do a fangamer commercial, so yeah. They do.
>>736679739Don't bother, he's a "I'm talking Mantle as literally as possible so that means Weird Route becomes Genocide Route 2" truther.
>>736678614Those were professional translators, anon.
>>736678327There are two songs in ch4 about a specific time, also 12am is so fucking goodhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1fPfxLYg-whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbzmYjE49N4
>>736679690You're too late, the thread already reached bump limit.
>>736679658The spics tried lecturing the japanese on their own language and proceeded to throw a fit when the japanese didn't agree.
>>736679801>12amIt's not the same without the rain ambience.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6D8epTnMNM
>>736679658You lost, latinx lost, Toby won, nippon won. They like the translation.
>>736679906It's never too late to shit on charatranny
>>736679927>seethes about gringos coming in and enforcing how their language should be>turns around and tries to enforce japs on how their language should beYet another point for "can't take what they dish out themselves", silly spics.
>>736679658Yeah the "vision" excuse was bullshit when UTDR had a bunch of shit changed because Toby felt like it lmao
>>736680004Sorry, buddy, but there's no need for Chara to rape you again. You need to stop being so tsundere for a dead child.
>>736671107actually I'm the anti-human schizo
>>736679927>>736679974>The spics tried lecturing the japanese on their own language and proceeded to throw a fit when the japanese didn't agree.This never happenedSpics proved that UT's japanese translation was ass because Toby didn't/barely understood Japanese, and changed shit just because (the localization book proves this). Nobody claimed the japs didn't like it.
>>736680052The nipponese already debunked you on this
>>736680004kill yourself yellowfag
>Every single shitposter shows up right as the thread reaches bump limitFor what purpose?
>>736680245let it be anon. we got to talk about the plot this thread. take the win
>>736680245Don't be mad they showed up, be glad the thread got to be civil for once up until this point.
>>736680286Like a quarter of the thread was just the narrator discussion again
>>736680234What does UTY have to do with the transexual chara avatar redditor?
>>736680245No worries anon, I will make another thread so that they can get a head start and shit up the entire thread instead of only doing it at the beginning, since that's what you want.
>>736680165Get lost, Kris
>>736680425He tanked that btw
>>736680360Blame the fact there's nothing new to talk about. All we can do is recycle the same key talking points and mysteries but never reach a conclusion because we're far beyond the point of having confidence in any predictions aside from the most extremely obvious ones like "Kris and Carol are trying to bring back Dess by any means necessary, even if it means following the prophecy to the point of doomsday".
>>736680286>>736680326Fair enough, this thread was actually pretty shill with minimal shit flinging or off-topic talk. It was actually nice discussing the game and characters. I wonder how many theories Chapter 5 will break.
>>736680245Charatranny has been soamming the whole thread, what are you talking about?
>>736680451kris is a weak faggot who got bullied by purpleshit daily even with a human soul
>>736680374The redditor hated humans and humanposting you retard.
>>736680459I'll blame you for intentionally dragging the conversation towards humantranny posting because it's all you care about
>>736680534He tanked her too
>>736680374it's some retard that otherwise exclusively posts in shit yellow threads who takes issue with humans
>>736680542Backwards>>736680578Literally just making up lore about boogiemen
Just so that you're aware, after Chapter 5 drops, there's gonna be +3 years of this shit. Hope you're ready.
>>736680379AAAAAAAIEEEEEEEEEEE!!! That's not what I meant I just don't want them to post ever!>>736680483I'm talking about (you).
>>736680548>he thinks I'm CharafagAw, that's cute.
>>736680636I'm a goldposter, you are a spamming nigger
thread judge hereredditor lost, tobyfags lost, schizos lost,humanfag won, spics/tobyhaters won, on-topicfags won
>>736680459The narrachara talk is even more tired since it has barely anything to do with deltarune. It's been discussed to death and is one of the most forced debates I've ever seen in these threads.
>>736680617I don't know what's your plan but lies that are so blatant everyone can see through it.
>>736680617>>736680673Kill yourself yellowfag>>736680692Agreed. Death to fangames
>>736680692trvke
>>736680670Everyone is le charafag for that schizo even though there's no Charafag in these threads.>>736680698NarraChara is literally barely discussed here, what? And most of the discussion was about Deltarune's narrator.
Noelle's tail won
>>736680903She ate too many Christmas cookies
>>736680746Literally doing what you're accusing me of, charajew>>736680772I've never even played yellow lol
>>736680476
>>736680692Posting video game characters in the video game board always win against shit stirring schizos.
>>736681028>off-topic Toby thread linked directly like a /vg/ general What the fuck are you doing?
Ok now that Mr “I hate melodrama give me John something” is here. I guess I can give him the chapter 5 fan takes he’s always yearning for.>>736669528Look! Flowers!>>736670238Check it out! A schizoboss that’s themed around gardening!
latine are dumb
>>736681219He's spitefully trying to get the jannies and mods riled up to kill the threads, obviously.
>>736681291For some reason every schizo appeared here in the end, from the anti-human schizo to the latinx Toby shitposters.
>>736680673Are you a shartyfag?
*I WON
>>736681219>>off-topic Toby thread linked directlyMods have been deleting actual deltarune threads but keep the toby hate threads, retard.
