How exactly do I cope with being a Mass Effect fan? The series ended on a lame third installment, the spinoff was a woke mess that everyone forgot about, and the series is basically dead with nothing new coming down the pipeline
>>736644941The series has 1.5 good games.
I dont know how anyone can have hope for the new one after 3 and Andromeda. Not to mention all the other non mass effect related shit Bioware has been up to lately.
>>736644941Its been nearly a decade since 3 just be happy with what you got.
>>736644941Basically every franchise has gone to shit by 2026 so it's no different than being a fan of anything else
>>736644941>Playing the demaster You can start by killing yourself
>>736646007Mass Effect 2 better be 2/3 of that figure.
>>736649926Mass Effect 2 loses major points for shitting on what was setup in Mass Effect.
Just watch Babylon 5 instead. Mass Effect pretty much ripped it off.
>>736650187>Mass Effect 2 gains major points for shitting on what was setup in Mass Effect.ftfy
>>736650285I see, a troll. Anyway the best gameplay and story was in Mass Effect and some good characters are in Mass Effect 2.
>>736648504Mods fix it
>>736644941Coping with that was easy 10 years ago. But now? They're supposedly making a TV show that will shit all over the franchise because Hollywood twats hate videogames. And normies will eat it up. At least back then there was safety in being ignored.
>>736644941>How exactly do I cope with being a Mass Effect fanJust admit the only good ME is the first one and there you go. No need to cope when the following games were trash, nothing of value was lost
>>736648504Why is this so common? it seems like every time a "remaster" of a game comes out they give the game higher resolution textures, sure, but they fuck up everything else, particularly lighting. And if you have shit lighting you might as well pack it in, its going to look like ass no matter what.Are the studios that make these things just incompetent and accidentally break the lighting engine along the way, or are they trying to replace the lighting with something more realistic, even if it destroys the original intended look?
That’s the case with a lot of franchises from the 360 PS3 era it sucks
>>736644941ME3 was a great game. Much better than ME2.
>>736644941Mass Effect 3 made the company, its fans and the franchise spread with the winds. EA made the important people quit, and since ME3 wasn't a darling with fans, it put a splinter in the image of the franchise, and all you have left now are all the retardos it enabled like all these extremely basic gay kink fetishists who love futa porn and Femshep with piercings.The franchise actually had a fanbase once, and people who knew it well, and a zeitgeist around it like many other franchises we see, but this felt more monumental at the time.But 3 is such a huge miss, that most people just moved on and got filtered by the series ever since. Negative memories; want nothing to do with it anymore, and now discussions are filled with people who misunderstood basics of the narrative, or idiots who believe the ending is "fine".It might have a nice new game, but it won't feel like anything that fixes ME3. It's been far too long, and it would also just be sad if they tried. It'll be some weird "Batman Beyond" type of sequel like Andromeda tried to be, but more head-on this time, and maybe it will be good. But the zeitgeist of Mass Effect is never coming back, in the same way that the zeitgeist of Sonic The Hedgehog never came back after the 3D games, even though it still has its weirdo fans and the games are sometimes decent. Mass Effect at its height was like a Sonic 3 & Knuckles thing, you know.
>>736653014I think the setting itself is salvageable if someone really cared, but that just isn't happening.
Hot take: franchises should end and not keep cranking out sequels forever
>>736644941What I do is to ignore the battered housewife tranny fandom and occasionally generate asari AI porn when I get nostalgic.ME4 will be a train wreck btw.
>>736650445It was 2. 1 was a decent setup, but the gameplay was shit since you could camp and recharge your weapons ad infinitum. 1 also had 5 planets for the main story, and an assload of planets with one of like 5-6 total maps that you did over and over. 1 also had Liara, who you could ignore all the way to nearly the end, and then the fat ugly autistic whore wants to rape you because you're basically married in her eyes.2 was an improvement on all fronts.
>>736650691>he needs mods to make a new game kind of good like the old one
>>736653162It requires acknowledging the mistakes of ME3 and its endings which either hurts someone's pride, or they get defensive because they think any concession is admitting that "evil gamers" were right.There's many ways you can salvage it without leaping 600 years into the future in a remote destination just to avoid the hard questions, and even lore like the fallout of the Genophage choice and Quarians can be done cost-effectively in a way that's satisfactory to anyone who wants to be able to replay ME3 again and not feel like past decisions got invalidated.But they won't do it, because the retards like Mike Gamble is only hearing, but not listening. He only understands it as far as "People want it addressed!!!!" but not that the ending was so bad that it needs some rejigging to smooth over a smaller time skip between the trilogy and a new game, and then explain how the new status quo works post-Reaper, post-Destroy/Control/Synthesis, and you can do a lot of Deus Ex Invisible War style of conflux of the endings to make it work without invalidating the existence of Synthesis, and you can pretty easily make either Destroy or Control canon, depending on a decision you make on the Character Creation screen, and reflect that in minor ways throughout the game.The thing is, ME3 is a closed book. The endings were a botch, but only if that's the final end to the Mass Effect story, and as far as ending Shepard's personal journey the endings were fine, because while the 3 choices and Catalyst dialogue is retard-shit, there is a coherent message about Shepard looking for salvation after feeling like he's inadequate and letting so many die, and then being offered an "absolution" by this God-child in 3 sacrifice options that technically ends the war either way.I can think up detailed and branching Neo-Codex entries about Krogan History between 2186 to 2200 that I think fans would accept no matter whether Wrex or Wreav survived, or the cure was made or not.
>>736650285Give it about an hour and you’ll have the one retard who says 2 was good for distancing itself from the reapers, despite making them central to the plot and accelerating their arrival, in the thread.
>>736653396I don't necessarily want endless Shepard episodes but there is just so much they could have done. Maybe it wouldn't feel so squandered had they managed to end it well.
>>736644941It's fine to be sad something you loved has been ruined, you're only human after all
>>736653396I agree but I would've liked if Mass Effect's failure didn't drag sci fi RPGs as a concept down under with it for a decade
>>736650285be quiet you waifufaggot, 2 was the most vapid and we don't care it's the one you had the most fantasies about
>>736653528Remaster has a lot of good QOL features that aren't present even with mods in the original trilogy.
>>736654426>chest high walls>cowadoodyJust say you can't aim.
>>7366534622 was a sign of the rot. The mission complete screens, the retarded flying a little toy shop around the galaxy map, the planet scanning ending with reapers are coming bollocks when they were stuck outside the galaxy. The missions and gameplay were fun but might as well have been dlc. I've never franchise destroy itself after so much potential. Absolutely ruined.
>>736654726There were practically no flaws with 2.
>>736655150Jacob
>>736655150>No Legion romance>No Mordin romance>No Chakwas romanceThere's three big ones.
>>736644941Be angry like the rest of us.
>>736644941I'm an indie games developer. I've got a few small projects out on the market making a steady income and building capital. I've created my own IP which is kind of a cross between Star Trek and The Expanse.My next big project is going to be a ME-like, but set in my own universe. It's a few years down the line, but you'll probably see my game out in about 8-10 years.
>>736655150Ignores ME1, practically a soft reboot for no reason. Cerberus is retarded and being forced to work with them is even more retarded. Wastes a third of the trilogy in terms of plot
>>736644941>it has to keep going or I just don't know what I'll do!
>>736655150There were severaly stupid changes they made because EA is fucking retarded. No armor mods, ammo mods were skills now and exclusive to some classes, the overall aesthetics were a lot brighter ruining the darker tone of the original, biotics being simplified (I'm not saying biotics were hard to play in 1 you just had more options), the already limited planet exploration in 1 being changed to a fucking scanning minigame, the focus on the collectors for the entire main game instead of using them in the first half of the game as an entry point to explore more pawns of the reapers and maybe explore a reaper backup plan that isn't just "lol we can reach the galaxy in three years using our normal propulsion making the whole citadel backdoor plan unnecessary", Cerberus being this huge organisation while ME1 made them out to be a small splinter group with a military science bonus, killing shep just to bring him back immediately, the fucking guns need ammo now because we want the cod audience. While I liked the new normandy being bigger the first one felt alot more like a submarine while the new one felt like a yacht.Most of the new characters were great tho. I still don't know why Liara made a complete 180. I think she shouldve stayed the protean science nerd instead of becoming the next shadow broker for some reason.
>>736644941>How exactly do I cope with being a Mass Effect fan?text based RPs with Claude. That's who I do it.
>>736656158The guns needed ammo because infinite ammo was fundamentally broken. Limited ammo keeps you moving.
>>736656562I get your point, but the same thing could've been achieved with better enemy design, while keeping the in-universe logic
>>736644941Just replay the trilogy every year like everyone else in these threads. Who gives a fuck about the spinoff or the new game, be happy you at least have a trilogy the likes of which will never be seen again in gayming
>>736656158Make the cooldown for weapons a lot longer as punishment for overheating and make thermal clips a finite universal ammo. Either wait a long time for the weapon to cool, switch to another, or reload immediately spending one of your few thermal clips.
>>736656562>Limited ammo keeps you moving.the problem there is that ammo is functionally unlimited due to the constant ammo drops once you hit 50%Even in defence segments, you have functionally unlimited ammo so long as you half empty one useless weapon and let the drops accumulate.
>>736656897that would've been a great idea, but we got lame ammo instead
>>736656983The really funny part about this? ME3 brought back the Avenger with the cooldown mechanic from ME1 and it damn near instantly became one of the best guns in both single player and the multiplayer. The ammo mechanic is really only there because BioWare wanted to further dilute the rpg elements with more action gameplay, but it took 3 tries to get it right, then they fucked it again with Andromeda.
>>736644941How the fuck have you not moved on? Is Mass Effect the only game you can be passionate about?
>>736644941The same way DA fans cope dunk on the inevitable dumpster fire and put an old man’s curse on bioqueer and EA.
>>736644941Smile because it happened
>>736647712>nearly a decadeAnon... I...Time......
Remember when everyone tried coping about ME3's ending with indoctrination theory. It was very funny how the devs wanted you to go synthesis for the "good" ending only to get a shit tonne of pushback from the fans.
>>736653554I strongly disagree with a lot of what you said here. So I will throw in my hat on what I do agree with first.Yes, addressing the endings 17 years after ME3 at the earliest is not a solution. Setting the next game 600 years in the future is also not a solution. Yes, the endings were retarded and irreconcilable.I disagree about fundamentally about Shepard's personal journey being about his own inadequacy. Shepard was the person that time and again managed the impossible, and dragged the entire galaxy into its own survival, kicking and screaming. Some retarded child dying doesn't change that, especially because it was in a scene so hamfisted and transparently attempting to be emotionally manipulative, the type that would make Druckman climax in smug satisfaction.At this point, nobody cares about what the Krogan did 300 years after ME3, nobody cares what anyone that didn't serve on the Normandy as a squadmate did after ME3. Nobody cares about what new loser Bioware will crown the new protagonist, or new crew, or where the story goes. That is a game that turns Bioware from a studio making games, to a Battlefield support studio.
>>736654495Like what?
>>736658096>Remember when everyone tried coping about ME3's ending with indoctrination theoryME fans are sad and pathetic.
>>736653396The thing is, they killed DA, they bombed with Anthem, they have no other IP they can use to stir up any interest, and EA won't pay them to start a new one. So what else are they going to do? The likelihood of any new ME without Shepard and the crew going the way of the Saints Row reboot, is at least 80%. Now, that still leaves a 20% chance of not being a catastrophic failure, but going from there to an actual success is also another beast of its own. Veilguard, for example, was a catastrophic failure. Inquisition was a failure, but not catastrophic, Mass Effect 1 was a success that didn't achieve much, and Mass Effect 2 was a critical success by any measure. To save Bioware, the next game, without Shepard, would need to be a Mass Effect 2 level success to move the needle. No matter how good Mary DeMarle is, this game is not going to be a Mass Effect 2 repeat. There is nothing that Bioware can do, without Shepard and the crew, to reach that level of success.
>>736658096It baffles me that the people who were blindsided by ME3's ending blinded themselves to all the flaws along the way, they should really have seen it coming
>>736656158At this point, anyone that sucks off ME1 specifically, will be branded an complete retard, and no consideration will be given to his points. You sir, are such a retard.
>>736647712It's been 14 years.
>>736658682>makes no argument>receives a substantial counterargument>cries
>>736658682Now that the dust bunnies has disintegrated, why was me1 elder dragon with a golden horn compared to me2, 3 and 4?
>>736658728>makes no argumentThat's right. Because the fact that I am correct in what I said, is self evident. It is a fact and facts do not require argumentation.And you are a moron.
>>736644941bioware died a long time ago. its a miracle that the studio wasnt shut down yet. accept its over and move on.
why do retards get so fixated on the me1 overheating mechanic as if the mediocre shooter gameplay is why we like the series
>>736655493>in about 8-10 yearsWe'll all be dead by then.
>>736659041Because some people like to shit up threads and discussions by being contrarian faggots. They think this drives up engagement, when in fact it drives people away. You can only spend so much time trying to argue with retards.
>>736644941ME was one of the few scifi games that made me get really engaged with its story and i haven't felt it again since. Why did Bioware have to become so shit? it infuriates me because what they built in the first game was so good on perspective of what we knew at the time. The hype for every next game at the time was immense and i can't even say 2 was much as a detour as people say it is because we hadn't reached the catastrophic fuck up with how 3 ended. I Haven't been so immersed into a games story and world in a good long while.
By remembering that ME3 is the most fun to replay because the combat is amazing and you don't give a fuck about the retarded writing on a replay
>>736658868>still no argument to anythingI bet you believe a man in a dress is a woman too>>736659041I don't it either.The world building/writing/design/atmosphere carried ME1 and these parts were significantly diminished in ME2.ME2s gameplay was overall alot better than ME1s, but some parts were downgraded for some reason.Overall I like all three games. It's just that ME2 & 3 have flaws that were not present in ME1. I'd like to point out, that I don't think of ME1 as some flawless masterpiece, It's just that ME2 hardliners seem to have no understanding, that ME3s story problems started with ME2 basically wasting alot of time on a sidequest and on the squad mate focus, while moving the story arc set up in ME1 by maybe an inch.The gameseries had an insane potential, but was sadly wasted because EA wanted to make the games more approachable for a "wider audience"
>>736659240We should have gatekept harder, and kept these faggots out of our franchise.
>>736659472Kinda hard to gatekeep someone out of the franchise who started with 1
I'd like to think Casey Hudson possibly fluked ME but he was the director of SW KOTOR and has credits on Baldurs Gate II so i don't know what happened that contributed to his descent into mediocrity but since he made Anthem it did kind of further expose him as a hack. So whats the deal? why couldn't he make anything good and resorted to garbage that was Anthem? why a few good games then becomes a bad developer? I think there's a few industry veterans that this has happened too though. Rare success rate then complete shit after.
>>736658289Removed mako XP debuff, added more weapon variety to ME1 with burst and single shot guns, weapon rebalance in general to make Shepard not a complete dickless incompetent for the first half of the game, better mako controls with the added booster, sprinting in non hostile hubs, not needing to grind multiplayer to get good ending in ME3, hacking minigame in ME2 made a lot less tedious, and a lot more.
>>736659604>Removed mako XP debuffThat is 100% available as a simple Coalesced edit in the original
>>7366449411-3 are probably the best space opera gamers there are. There will never be games close to that because there's no talent left in the west.
>>736644941Don't worry, Anon! They are coming out with a TV series no one asked for 10 years after the last flop! The best part is that they were sure to let us all know they will NOT be catering to gamers!
>>736659646>spaceship novel>has an age of sail ship sailing over grasswat
>>736659516You're still a faggot, though. People like you are why Bioware is the way it is today.
>>736659710Are you stupid?
>>736659718They were catering to people who stopped buying their games after DA:O cause they weren't RPGs anymore? That's just bad business sense right there
>>736659646thats the sadest part. After Bioware fumbled ME noone stepped in to fill the gap.
At this point, you're better off making your own game with sexo ayy women and cool ayy bros. Could a new game be good? Maybe, but similar to Sanic, this series is forever tainted and will constantly have to face uphill battles. Fire up Unity, Godot, or Unreal, bros.>>736650220>Babylon 5It's a miracle this show became one of the best pieces of sci-fi tv when you look into the production history.Want to see my favorite thing in the universe?
>>736659836>After Bioware fumbled ME noone stepped in to fill the gap.Well the west has just no talent left, and old bioware went to make Anthem, which wasn't bad, but EA fucked it up as always.
>>736659576who knows. I think the video game industry has the same problems as the films industry. There are too many people who just want to make money or want to push an agenda instead of making a game/movie they themselves would want to experience.People can also lose their edge over time
>>736659843I wouldn't play any amateur ME fan game on account of fearing that I'd get the same kind of fan fic style writing seen on the bioware forums. Which is what Andromeda was basically and what Dragon Age was since the second game onward. No it's gonna have to take a team of real talent to construct Mass Effect again. It's not something that was easily replicable.
>>736659698Here's the thing, though. That doesn't mean it won't cater to the fans, just that it won't be as heavily into lore stuff. They will try to keep it tight in references, not expand too much, not weigh down the plot and development of the story by making codex entries the entire time.What we do know>Fallout production team means that it will likely look authentic>Producer is a guy from the Fast and Furious franchise that has nothing to do with genre>Showrunner is nepo baby Ari Arad, son of Avi Arad, that has made nothing but shit>Also a jew>Some other Bad Robot nobodies that worked on the last failed Star Trek movie and haven't done anything sinceSo there is plenty of reason to think that this show will fucking suck regardless.
>>736644941Anon just be glad you didn't have to suffer the ongoing humiliation ritual star wars and star trek fans have had to over the past decade and let it go.
>>736659901>Anthem, which wasn't badAre we really at the point of contrarianism where we are getting real life Anthem revisionists? At some point you gotta look at yourself, see the damage you are doing, and decide that you either go hard into drugs, OD and die, or turn your life around.
>>736644941by replaying it on occasion and checking back for new mods last I checked there were a few mods which added new ground missions and more explorable planets with codex scans along with text based questspersonally I am waiting for all Multiplayer Powers to get ported back, some of the classes were peak
>>736660076Every game has its defenders who played it as their first video game of that genre. As they grow up, they'll start posting about how it was an underrated masterpiece
>>736650956>Why is this so common?It mostly happens because remasters are being made with modern game engines in order to be more compatible with modern game machines. This usually creates a problem where things like lighting cant be imported from the original game to the remaster's engine, and it needs to be completely remade from scratch. Most of the time devs dont bother because its time consuming, the new game engine has new quirks and lighting systems that wont give the same result, and most importantly, the lack of talent to do that. Upscaling textures then import them to the new engine is easy, lighting and other equally important things are not.
>>736660141And they will be rightly mocked for it.
>>736660076>Are we really at the point of contrarianism where we are getting real life Anthem revisionists?Did you play it? The game was honestly good, the only problem the game had it was way too hard on higher difficulty. But the suits and the movement were amazing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUlBvhoCvaE
Don't worry, the next ME will be made by the Bioware A teamNo, not the guys who made Anthem. The REAL A team has never been tried
>>736660178>Did you play it? The game was honestly goodWhat are you doing here, Casey? Your game flopped. Go beg for funding for your FomoR game.
>>736660187Right. All the other A Teams weren't the REAL A team. This is the A Team. They even hired B. A. Baracus.
>>736660029>didn't have to suffer the ongoing humiliation ritual star warswell that's kinda impossible, because current Star Wars is made by people who hate their old fans.
>>736660178>Did you play it?No, it was live service sloppa. And apparently so bad that even live service sloppa players hated itI bet your favorite mechanic in Cisquisition was the war table
>>736659698Sauce? There's no way retarded leftoids are STILL doing the "fuck them gamers" marketing
>>736660306>No, it was live service sloppaso your opinion is meaningless, also the game had pretty demanding specs to play it which probably filtered out 90% of the gaming population.>I bet your favorite mechanic in Cisquisition was the war tableNo, the Dragonfights were the only good part about Inquisition lol
>>736659901wasn't Anthem unfinished af on release?Never played it, just heard of it.EA ruined quite alot game studios with their "simpler and faster" approach
>>736660368It had one map, and minute-long loading screens every time you go anywhere
>>736660393sounds more like a manlet howard special kek
>>736660293if there was one positive of the EA acquisition, they managed to get ME3 out of the door before it could be fucked with any more. If it ended up coming out two years later, it would've been filled with marvelslop powerqueer faggotry
Issue is that they made what should have been a more personal story into a "save the galaxy" story. So whatever choice you make in the end of the third one will need to be accounted for, and your new protagonist will always be affected by.
>>736660448You're not thinking nearly badly enoughImagine if Skyrim had to have a loading screen every time you switched from your inventory to your actual equipment screen
>>736660393>rubber banding issues>bricked consoles on launch>random disconnects and time outs>no content>time gated content>awful writing>awful VA performances>awful loot (in a looter shooter)>starter pistol did more damage than endgame equipment>awful and overpriced cosmetics>bugged af>went back on its content roadmap because Bioware couldn't make anything on time>Cataclysm was one map on a blue filter>6 months after launch>lasted for 2 weeks
>>736660368>wasn't Anthem unfinished af on release?yea it was, but gameplay wise it was pretty fun. Just EA being EA where they let shit like Andromeda be made, but Anthem gets axed.>>736660456Does someone have the old cutscenes? Andromeda was so fucking unreal bad.
>>736660456>it would've been filled with marvelslop powerqueer faggotryThere's plenty of it in ME3, though.Don't forget, ME3 turned Kaidan and Shepard gay.
>>736660589And it had Kai Leng
>>736660589still not as terrible as Asari they/them shit they were spouting in Andromeda
>>736660572don't remind me of Andromeda. The idea to mix and match all skills and the more vertical combat were great ideas but then they only allowed for three skills to be active in the same profile or something.Story and characters were also doa thanks to the everything needs to be ugly and gay approach
>>736660647I winced at it.>>736660702Liara is now a they/them
>>736660554>>starter pistol did more damage than endgame equipmentkek I forgot all about this retarded power level progression
>instead of getting a smaller scale ME game set after the Reaper war that deals with destroyed relays, power vacuums and the general dissarray of the world, we are getting a 600 year timeskip because Gamble is still GAPED that the gamers were right about ME3 and AndromedaWhy are western devs so spiteful?
>>736660589it was at least mostly contained with side characters that you could just ignore since they were new additions, and who really gives a shit about bland kaidan?if it came out any later, it would've been much worse
>>736660787>Gamble is still GAPED that the gamers were right about ME3 and Andromedaqrd?
>>736659646It's a living tree ship called ygdrassil
Why the huge time jump?
>>736660787I know enough about Mike Gamble to tell you>he genuinely liked ME and wants the best for the franchise>very influenced by Casey>is an endings defender (at least publicly)>doesn't want to drop Andromeda>thinks he can turn things around>wants to do big concept stuff>genuinely excited about what he is doing with METhat being said, he is not making the decisions that will bring the franchise back, or save the studio. He will be let go on a golden parachute and maybe "retire" to some Hasbro owned RPG studio like Corinne Busche. The rest of the studio will be let go and left without a job, the few that will remain, as EA will STILL not close Bioware, will be relegated to supporting Battlefield development. ME will be vaulted, not sold, and in 10 years maybe they'll make a mobile game out of it.
>>736661005To accommodate Andromeda.
>>736658672The ending was the event horizon.People could lie to themselves throughout the game, tell themselves that it would all make sense somehow or that there would be some grand culmination that would elevate it all to a great finale. Some of the character moments and the undeniably improved weapon/power mechanics did a hell of a lot of heavy lifting, but it wasn’t sustainable.The ending thoroughly shit all over that, and rather than look back at what they mentally plastered over, they blame the ending for all of it.Anyone who genuinely believes ME3 was good until the end needs to replay it with more objective eyes; the plot is absolutely fucked the second the crucible is introduced and anyone who played ME1 could instantly tell you why.
>>736661032>>genuinely excited about what he is doing with MEAll culture warriors are excited when they get to ruin franchises further
>>736659576It was the writingDrew Karpyshyn was the lead writing in me1, he left towards the end of me2 development iirc. Then Mac Walters took over for me3 and shat everything up
>>736661086I tend to say the writing shits itself on Tuchanka and never recoversSome dumb shit like the Crucible was always gonna happen. These faggots basically wrote themselves into a corner the second they conceived this series>present galactic threat that is unstoppable for normal mortals>series should end with you beating this threadThere is no way from A to B in this plot without ass-pulls
>>736661285In theory the crucible could work as a trap that the reapers left, however it would have needed to be introduced as something somebody else found, and when Shepard discovers some retard has found what could only have been deliberately planted the plot goes into panic mode.
>>736661086>the plot is absolutely fucked the second the crucible is introducednot really, the only way to defeat the reapers was some sort macguffin superweapon. The plot itself wasn't that bad (aside from the ending), but the writing was fucking terrible. It starts abysmally with the Earth council/mars, picks up with Palaven, peaks at Tuchanka, falls off a bit at Rannoch and then fucking nosedives at return to Earth
>>736661141From his perspective, they are actually doing good. They actually believe in it. Misplaced confidence at best, but that's how it is. They are confident they will sell more than 3 million copies at launch, with some good marketing, unlike Veilguard, but I think the upper end is 2.5 million.I keep remembering that anon that guess 250k copies sold at launch for Veilguard and turns out he was correct. Game didn't sell more than 1 million copies in 3 months. Utterly catastrophic.
>>736661285for me it is was Rannoch entire quarian fleet managed to fire one shot each time you pinpointed the weak spot then on Earth couple of nukes achieved the same resultlike??? might as well just make more nukes
>>736661390There is no real reason to do any of that. Unless your plan is to have everyone die and end the franchise on a bad end. Which would have burnt down Bioware completely.
>>736661409I don't understand how it failed so hard in a post-BG3 world. I mean, I know why I will never touch it, but normalfags usually don't care if everyone talks like a Californian
>>736659793One of very few books I've given up on. People talk about Sony movie games; The Terror is the book equivalence: generic killer pattern and sex sprinkled here and there (platypus scene made me laugh out loud).
>>736661487People saw it, it was hideous and they dropped it. What did you think was going to happen? People were put off before even hearing a line from the game. BG3 was not really Californian. It carried a lot of that EU type of banter. You can tell it's European from its misuse of swearing.
>>736661632It's funny because that weird big-headed cartoon artstyle was decided very early on and is completely separate from any of the reasons the game is actually dogshit
>>736661632>You can tell it's European from its misuse of swearing.Huh?
>>736661064Which is retarded, Andromeda writes itself out of the narrative by literally taking place in a totally different galaxy. There is NOTHING you could take from Andromeda that would mean much of anything to add back to the actual galaxy the games take place in. It's almost like it was future proofed to ensure none of it would matter.
>>736661709For some weird reason, European devs don't think the writing is good, unless the word "fuck" is in every other sentence.
>>736660721>Liara is now a they/themShe/they, actually
>>736661679I mean, it is one of the reasons why it is dogshit.>>736661713Well ... surpriiiiise!
>>736654726>the planet scanning ending with reapers are coming bollocks when they were stuck outside the galaxyHey, retard-kun, that's in 3, not 2.
>>736661751You're not wrong, and it is indeed weird; however, that is just as true for American writing.
>>736661751I hope you're including Brits in that because BG3 was written by a native speaker from Ireland IIRC
>>736650691What mod?
>>736661771That's so much better.
>>736661679>is completely separate from any of the reasons the game is actually dogshitAgree to disagree.
>>736661813https://youtu.be/e-RFVPZhXbo?t=489
>>7366504451 had garbage gameplay compared to 2The guns were literally all reskins
>>736644941>How exactly do I cope with being a Mass Effect fan?First you have to accept the fact that being an ass erect fan requires one to be xtremely retarded.
>>736650691>>736661831Never mind it took me literally 2 more seconds of looking to find it.
I think it's funny when people argue about ME1 vs. ME2 gameplay, as if the differences change anything about the gameplay in both being "shitty cover shooter"
>>736659718No, he's right. 3 has the best gameplay and the worst... everything else.
>>736661817Not to the point, and the how, the Europeans do it. Americans are more restrained in doing it, and feels more on point.One of my favorite examples of such conversation is from ELEX 2>Hey>What the fuck?>Yeah, yeah.Shakespearean at the very least.Still better than anything in Veilguard.>>736661824Sometimes Brits do a better job. Sometimes. Usually, it's more of the same. And yes, Brits are Europeans.
>>736661443>>736661391Both of these hinge on arrival making the reapers’ arrival immediate rather than imminent, which while technically being part of ME2 was clearly supposed to be a prequel to 3 due to how much the opening hinges on it.The whole deus ex machina would be completely unnecessary without it, and you wouldn’t have to write the reapers being complete retards who scoured the entire galaxy for traces of their existence for millennia and somehow missed the same thing possibly thousands of times in a row
>>736644941>How do I cope with [modern video game series that was better in the past having been turned to complete shit by people who don't respect the original]?
>>736662030Nobody cares about the gameplay. If I wanted gameplay, I wouldn't be playing Mass Effect. It is nice that it's competent? Yes. Does it matter? Not really.
>>736662030A real shame because everyone knows gameplay is the least important part of a video game.
>>736662071Look up what prequel actually means
>>736662071>>Both of these hinge on arrival making the reapers’ arrival immediate rather than imminentWe've gone through this. Reapers are stranded in deep space at the end of Arrival regardless.
>>736653396Mass Effect is a decent sci-fi setting and there's a lot more you can do with it than the few games we got
Mass Effect game without Reaper story baggage attached to it, the universe itself is good enough without some existential threat looming over itthat's all I ask, at least the second game gave you some leeway in thst area
>>736662142Mass Effect has the only mainstream hfy sci-fi setting I can think about.
>>736662170>without Reaper story baggage attached to itAndromeda
>>736662268it is the same Reaper narrative anon>hurr durr we steered angara towards the path we chose>totally not repurr>kek I mean Keth are just shittier collectors
>>736650691LE can't be fixed by modders and it will always remain inferior to the originals.>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVWc7oEMeOQ&list=PLxc1q3YVtfXpC-G3uicaowgOhPNmOAP2A
>>736655150ME2 gets a lot of well deseved praise for parts of it, mainly the crewmates and their assosiated questlines. But to say that it is without flaws is retarded."Let's blow up Shepard and the Normandy for shock value and then bring them back immediately after!"Retarded plot that does nothing to drive the story onwards. Aside from some characters, ME2 can be safely skipped and nothing happens. Instead it spends its runtime fucking around on an ultimately pointless sidequest (leaving all the hard work on the shoulders of ME3) and ends at the same place where ME1 ended. Why are we wasting our time with Harby and his gaggle of bugmen, when there is an actual galaxy-threatening invasion coming, one we've known of since ME1? They make a big deal about how the Collector ship is clearly meant to invade and harvest Earth when it gets run off some podunk farming colony with some Alliance hand-me-down cannons.The collector invasion of the Normandy is some of the most contrived bullshit I've ever seen.lol JacobCerberus is retarded and TIM's babbling is hard carried solely by Martin Sheen.The combat is ass, I'd rather play ME1 for the fighting. There, I said it. It's a poor-man's GoW with endless series of rooms and corridoors filled with chest-high walls, whose only reason to exist is to spread out character interactions with something to do inbetween. ME1 had some of this too, but it never felt so boring.ME1's uncharted worlds left a lot to be desired, but I'll happily take those over planet scanning (thank God for mods)Where in ME1 there were a handful of frogger-style hacking minigames, every door in ME2 seems to be installed with a boring puzzle (again, thank God for mods).Human reaper.The ending boils down to "what color of an explosion do you want, blue or orange? Both equally meaningless."TL;DR: ME2 commits just about every sin ME3 does, but somehow gets away with it and has loyal dickriders a decade-and-a-half later. Good game, shit sequel.
>>736662949>ME2 commits just about every sin ME3 doesWhat kind of fucking retards live on this planet that waste my fucking air?
>>736662949by that logic ME1 does the same, Shepard is constantly chasing after Saryn barely making any progress the main fucking villain has barely any screen presence >Kills Nihlus (1 minute cutscene along eith the bomb command)>1 minute cutscene of him throwing shit >2 minute cutscene of Council meeting poof he is gone until Virmire where we have 3-5 dialogue options and a brief fight at the very end another brief interaction
>>736662142It's okay. Lots of old tropes. Sexy blue women aliens stands out.
>>736663256Nice whataboutism
>>736663342Like you are doing right now?
>>736662241Halo before 343 and still kinda after I guess.
>>736662949>"Let's blow up Shepard and the Normandy for shock value and then bring them back immediately after!"yeah that was fucking dumb>Retarded plot that does nothing to drive the story onwardsnot really, it's main purpose was to set up Cerberus as another antagonist in ME3. It's only because ME3 fucked them up with Kai Leng and the sanctuary shit. How the fuck did they manage to get so much power and wealth after spending eleventy billion on Shepard.It makes sense to give a more personal nemesis instead of the reapers, essentially they just rehashed Saren with the illusive man.>ME1 for the fightingYeah nah, ME1 combat is shithouse, but it did have much better RPG levelling that they should've kept.
>>736663468The shitty gun accuracy tied to your X-weapon skill can stay in ME1, the ME2 guns actually feel noticeably different from each other that the gunplay is leagues better.
>>736663342nice non response seriously mass effect 1 is overly fellated on /v/even the narrative is as shallow as the mountain grave>big bad evil harvests all civilizations>whybecause >who are these evil entities they are beyond your comprehension >what are your plans with the "harvest"they are beyond your comprehension nice talk
>>736663547>seriously mass effect 1Yeah man just keep going with that whataboutism, that'll make ME 2 (the first game in the series you played, cause you heard it was like Gears) better
>>736663256Difference being that 1, Saren is a character and 2, the game actually completely revolves around trying to catch him. As in, all main quests are directly related to the hunt for him and deal with things he has done and undoing some of the problems he caused, in an effort to uncover his ultimate plan.Meanwhile the Collectors are a whole bunch of nothing with no central character, and basically get boiled down to a footnote in their own supposed game, with a grand total of 2 missions involving them in any way outside the end run on their base.
Mass Effect is fundamentally about Commander Shepard, not the setting. You think that the name refers to the sci-fi phenomenon that serves as the basis for the setting, but it actually has a double meaning - it's about the Mass(ive) Effect that one individual can have on the course of events. It's all about historical idealism. Every single trope of the game is how Shepard's strength of character is so enormous (has huge Mass) that the vast majority of characters he comes into contact with end up becoming big shots and galaxy turners themselves (to great Effect). It is an unapologetic power fantasy from start to finish, even if the ending turns it on its head by giving you infinite agency and zero freedom. Coming to terms with the fact that this was always the point of the trilogy is essential to be able to accept all three games for what they are, and move on happily content that nothing more is needed.No Shepard, no story, no mass effect, no buy.
Y'know if they can bring Shepard back after getting BBQ'd in space why can't they do anything about Joker's glass bones and paper skin?
>>736663016My condolences for your lack of taste.>>736663256>by that logic ME1 does the same, Shepard is constantly chasing after Saryn barely making any progress. the main fucking villain has barely any screen presenceNot in the slightest. In the beginning of ME1 noone knows of the reapers and Saren is a shady, ruthless asshole with a chip on his shoulder.During the game Shepard travels the galaxy, chasing Saren to prove his guilt, uncovering his plans and learns about the Reapaers and the cycles of extinction they bring.In the end Saren is defeated and the Reapers' plan A foiled. Imminent invasion is averted, but they are still coming. Most importantly the galaxy knows of it now and begins to prepare.Now for ME2.The beginning: The Reapers are coming! We must prepare!The game: Reapers were just some geth shit lol. What's that, a bullshit new enemy faction only tangentially connected to the Reapers that the writers pulled out of their asses? I'll just spend the game fighting them instead. They were dealt with and affect the story no further.The end: The Reapers are coming! We must prepare!
Also people who don't get the vibe of Mass Effect 2 are plebians and plotfags. Dying and coming back is essential for its core as a game about becoming a revenant, a creature that will come back from death however many times until the job is done, and walks in the lands of the dead where the living dare not tread.>but le how does this fit into the overall ME1-ME3 narrative!?lolilliterate cunts
>>736663596sorry but Mass Effect 1 was my first game in the series and to this day I haven't played any Gears of War games but keep coping, you'll get over all the stages of grief eventually
>>736663762They do, that's why he isn't already dead. Anything more than that would be too expensive for a guy who can do his job perfectly and even have sex with a fembot without becoming a cyborg himself.
>>736663886>without becoming a cyborg himselfDoes the setting even have augmentation
Imagine getting filtered by ME2 of all things.
>>736663941Kasumi and especially Shepard are cyborgs. Garrus had cybernetics installed after eating a rocket. Tali probably has quite a lot of augs as well.
Talis hips dont lie
>>736663941Yes, but ME2 and beyond Shepard is probably the extreme on that scale of cybernetic enhancements.
>>736664020they kind of dothey are bigger in the first game
>>736644941you can watch ai Presidents play thourgh the trilogy and relive ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzlOvvQApnQ&list=PLhiEnwDws40WLzqnSuN6M1zRKqNuAO3YZ&index=1
>>736663886When is it said he was even treated for it at all? When you ask him in ME1 he just says when he was born his leg bones weren't fully formed and he can barely walk without crutches.
>>736664132He said it in literally that conversation, anon. He would've been dead shortly after birth, but thanks to modern technology he can be a productive member of society.
>>736644941it's time to move on from games for children anyways.
>>736664176Oh yeah you're right I just forgot that part lmao
>>736663468>not really, it's main purpose was to set up Cerberus as another antagonist in ME3. It's only because ME3 fucked them up with Kai Leng and the sanctuary shit. How the fuck did they manage to get so much power and wealth after spending eleventy billion on Shepard.It makes sense to give a more personal nemesis instead of the reapers, essentially they just rehashed Saren with the illusive man.Agreed on ME3 screwing the pooch further, but I'd argue it's precisely because ME2 decided to take the Aliance splinter group terrorist faction and make them a big, central thing. Not to defend ME3 too much, that game has plenty of warts on it as well, but it was handed the stuff previous games gave it.>Yeah nah, ME1 combat is shithouse, but it did have much better RPG levelling that they should've kept.Sure, ME1's combat was nothing to write home about, but I still found it less dull than ME2's. Maybe it was me constantly finding upgrades for both Shepard and his team, and funny ragdolling of enemies with biotics/explosive rounds/mako. A matter of taste, I guess.
>>736664057This whole playthrough is absolute kino worth every second.>>736662949I think the destruction of the Normandy and death of Shepard is a pretty good hook but they don't do anywhere near enough with it. The existential aspect of it needed to be brought up way way more than it is.
>>736664403Because Joker rarely gets up out of his chair between 3 games. The one time he does it's more or less a playable cutscene where you waddle his crippled ass to a safe space while the rest of the crew gets kidnapped by Collectors.
>>736664551>precisely because ME2 decided to take the Aliance splinter group terrorist faction and make them a big, central thingthey were really only a big thing in ME3, since the one of the themes throughout the series is the impotence of bureaucratic managerialism in wanting to ignore upcoming crises to instead keep the machine of society rolling onwards. In ME2, essentially only Cerberus recognized the reapers as a civilizational threat and their power/influence makes sense since they would act as a proxy for those few in power that agreed with them.While the newer games combat was better mechanically, they did throw a lot of 'freedom' away by making it a cover shooter. But I still think it was a better tradeoff than the braindead AI trotting around like retards shouting the same 3 voice lines over and over in ME1
>>736644941I liked the entire ot.
>>736664020BioWare will never make another game with as much fetish bait as the OG Mass Effect.How does this make you feel?
>>736661032>ME will be vaulted, not sold
>>736664580>The existential aspect of it needed to be brought up way way more than it is.No it doesn't. You get the vibe of being a dead man teaming up with other dead men walking like Garrus, Zaeed and Thane, the doctor death of the ME universe Mordin, the legacy of a dead man Grunt and the ghost consciousness that is Legion. Also Jacob is there.
>>736644941>How exactly do I cope with being a Mass Effect fan?It's simple. Admit that it is not actually good. The story was mid in the first and bad in the sequels. The characters are mid. The game play is mid. And despite being mid to bad, you still enjoy it and that is ok. Just quit trying to delude yourself that it is better than it is and it becomes easier to accept and enjoy it for what it is.
>>736650285Mass Effect 2 retcons Cerberus from being an Alliance black facility that went rogue into just a group that worked alongside the Alliance. Shit that they were doing in ME1 was straight up evil, ME2 handwaves it and says "we're not good guys but we do good :)", and conveniently there's no bullshit that Cerberus gets up to in the game despite 1 and 3 being rife with it. Illusive Man not putting some kind of control chip in Shepard is just retarded and it's lampshaded several times by Miranda. The whole six-million-dollar-man thing feels like they just wanted a dramatic opening since it doesn't change anything except give you edgy facial scars if you're mean to people. Paragon Shepard half-assedly protests working with Cerberus without actually doing anything about it just to propel the story, which is entirely comprised of Illusive Man going "I happened to find a signal, go check it out" and then "I am still le bad guy haha!" but we already know that, since this game has the scarcest credit distribution in the series despite being funded by one of the richest men in the galaxy.And that's just why I hate the Cerberus aspect of the story. The Collectors are a whole different kettle of fish.
>>736659793I think he meant to say "edge"
>>736644941I never understood why do people replay it for 50 times. I only did 1playthrough 4 years ago for the first time ever and never felt the urge to ever touch it again.
>>736656158>I think she shouldve stayed the protean science nerdShe spent over a hundred years digging up rocks for a scrap of knowledge but some human shows up and everything's revealed to him. If you don't recruit her until after Virmire in ME1 she has a mental breakdown about this specifically, but even if you play the game as intended, she learns more about the Protheans than she could ever hope to through research, so it makes sense that she's given it up since it just seems kind of pointless.Even in 3 she muses on her naivete in her old logs, and with Javik on board she becomes disillusioned with the Protheans as a people because of what she learns from him
>>736658096>the devs wanted you to go synthesis for the "good" endingthis always made me laugh>ancient AI routinely genocides the galaxy>it strongly pushes for you to forcefully fuse synthetics and organics into fucked up cyborg people>devs fully expect you to go 'yeah that sounds good I'll go with that'
>>736666108Well, I don't understand people who play roguelikes for the 1000th time but then again, I don't have to.
>>736644941There is only one game, what are you talking about?
>>736666108You had to be there.
>>736665893The original opening where you're rebuilt by the Geth and LEGION is the first 'person' you meet would have been even more dramatic.
>>736661409the problem is with gamers themselves man. I have NO SINGLE DOUBT that even if they make a somewhat decent title, gamers witl make their stupid little gay videos and overanalyze everything to make the game look bad for clicks and drama. Fuck what humanity has become, fuck these always-online dipshits who sit around on discord servers and plan their next big target to destroy. The internet was a mistake that we're now greatly paying for.
Mass Effect is a duology
>>736666554Yes, the issue is the people not buying your trash rather than the people producing the trash. That attitude has served BioWare so well for over a decade now, no?
>>736666647buying trash and sabotaging and doing gay drama ops are two different things you omega faggot. Everything will be trash to these abominable parasitic cocksuckers because that's how they get their moneybag.
>>736666551That would have been so fucking kino
>>736666758You are still not addressing the actual issue, retard. Don't make trash, and your game will be at the very least moderately successful.BG3 got a shit ton of haters trying to trash it, but since it was a good game, nobody listened to them. Veilguard was hot garbage from start to finish which was apparent even to a deaf-blind cripple, and so people shat on it all round.See how this works yet?
>>736663762I played the trilogy as they came out and replayed the whole thing earlier this year, for some reason I remembered Joker getting an exoskeleton for his legs a la death stranding in Mass Effect 2 when he first meets Shepardturns out that just didn't happen and I imagined the whole thing, but at the same time it's never actually an issue. he just hobbles around, gives you a lame stealth section (which I had COMPLETELY forgotten about, holy shit) and jokes about breaking his legs. which, thinking about it, is another nosedive for the writing because in ME1 he didn't really enjoy talking about it too much but ME2 onwards every other line is "god I hope I don't FALL because my BONES will BREAK and I'll be STUCK ON THE FLOOR and DIE"
>>736666758>nooo stop making your annoying videos, they're ruining everything>ahhh my game series is forever ruined, how could this happen to me>it can't possibly be the developers fault its terribleyou seem a little unhinged there buddy
>>736666903Well, Joker was an ironic nickname in 1, but someone in 2 seems to have forgotten that part.Just like they forgot it's only his legs that are brittle, not his entire skeleton.
>>736667000nah dude he's called Joker cos he jokes all over the place
>>736665893>Mass Effect 2 retcons Cerberus from being an Alliance black facility that went rogue into just a group that worked alongside the Alliance. Shit that they were doing in ME1 was straight up evil, ME2 handwaves it and says "we're not good guys but we do good :)"i think the actual explanation was that cerberus has many different cells that operate mostly independently and that the cell shepard is in was tailor-made to look clean to shepard.
>>736667000no I'm pretty sure its most of his skeleton, he winges when Shep grabs his arm to haul him off the Normandy during ME2 intro
>>736666865BG3 had the comfort of being a turn-based game with a respected studio coming from a well liked series. Do you seriously think the enlightened masses will be objective or even care to be with nu-bioware, don't kid yourself.>>736666957so you agree with me that drama garbage "people" will try to shit on the game no matter if it's good or not.
>>736667153In ME1 he says it's only the bones in his legs that didn't develop. ME2 and 3 forget about this.
97% of players cured the genophage. So that's practically canon. In 50+ years you have a galactic war of everybody on the defensive as the Krogan spread and conquer. Could do a really cool sequel trilogy with the players dealing with the consequences of their choices (which is what people keep saying they want). Give it some Gears of War vibes where things are just fucking hopeless and the enemy is endless. In the time it takes you to kill 100 of them (and lose 1000 soldiers doing it) 20,000 new Krogan have been born and will be mature and ready for battle within a few years.
>>736667138>many different cells that operate mostly independentlyyeah this is the case, an example of which is the guy in Project Overlord wringing his hands about Illusive Man shutting down the project unless he gets results>the cell shepard is in was tailor-made to look clean to shepardwhich makes sense but Cerberus is still Cerberus. you were killing entire research facilities in ME1, something Shepard brings up once in the introduction and then forgets about. that one Alliance guy got kidnapped and killed in ME1, then never mentioned again. that should be a much bigger deal, surelybesides, you have Admiral Hackett hitting you up on the Bridge every few weeks, so unless the entirety of Cerberus was squeaky clean for the entirety of 2 he should be bringing up whatever it is they're doing to try and win you over
>>736667804Wrex made them peaceful, faggot
>>736644941Cope how? The franchise is done. Any attempt they make to keep it going will turn it into a zombie. ME3 for all its faults ended the thing.
>>736668059oh yeah i agree, just saying this is what they went with. i don't mind it that much, i guess they could have leaned harder into shepard being unconvinced and skeptical (he was but it was mostly background noise), but ultimately if they went too hard on it they probably wouldn't have been able to tell the story they were going for.
>>736668460>one guy made the entire species of billions peaceful for millenia to comelow iq jeet
>>736668713>one guy made the entire galaxy unite against the reaperslow iq jeet
>>736668460That'd work if they were Rachni with a hive queen but Krogan are individuals with a genetic disposition curated by home planet's circumstances. The harsh reality is that the post-ME3 galaxy is a year of optimistic rebuilding and then tension while the Krogan breed out of control and spread, and within a decade the first skirmishes of a nightmare war of total eradication.
>>736667804>which is what people keep saying they wantThey do. They don't want your le subverted expectations slop
>>736669091>Krogan are individuals with a genetic disposition curated by home planet's circumstancesDo we get a good explanation of how krogan went from the art and architecture found in ME3 to just shitting out larvae and flinging nukes at each other? Was it an overpopulation thing like the drell?
>>736669403my understanding was they were never the same after they nuked themselves the first time. that's not to say they were completely different beforehand, they were still aggressive chest-beating savages, but they were apparently slightly more cultured. maybe something closer to the culture of like rome or sparta or something.
>>736669403The lore says that, though they were building cities and trains and making art, somehow the planet remained just as brutal. So I guess 99% of people were just dying every year or two and everybody lived like that. Or, more likely, Chris L'Etoile and a few other people who insisted that the lore should make sense weren't around during ME2 and ME3. The lore *kind of* tries to address this by saying that it WAS this stability that caused the population growth and tensions that resulted in nuclear war, but it doesn't make much sense when you think about how much stability and cooperation is required to develop to the point of nuclear tech. They should probably have chosen to tell the story without Krogan ever having been advanced.
>>736650187>>736650445The Reapers are what killed the franchise and Mass Effect 2 is good BECAUSE it kicks the reaper can down the road and focuses on a character-driven vignettes that take place in a cool universe
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>>736653396This isn't a hot take the cattle are just stupid.
>>736670227how many krogan did it take to realise that nuclear radiation is dangerous and the guy that just collapsed and died wasn't actually a weak little bitch
back when /v/ was still good, remember when this board had daily ME threads.
>>736644941You move onto other things or just give up expecting good things out of the IP again? Especially now its in the hands of malfeasant incompetents. The creators were just two men who wanted to become dentists to begin with rather than video game creators and they had a passing interest in science fiction. The writing was on the wall as far back as Mass Effect 2 and EA destroyed that franchise.
Miss that nigga like you wouldn't believe. What would he be talking about today?
>>736663636I agree with this, but I also don't want Shepard back, his story ended, so ME should end as well.
>>736670743The rate at which they'd have had to die to retain population equilibrium would have made cancer deaths basically unnoticeable. I did the math a long time ago but basically, if female clutches are allowed to come to adulthood, then almost everybody has to die every year, since the TFR is like 900,000 that of a human female. Stupid lore. >>736671057Pour one out for Shamus Young. He'd have been in glory days as a critic of bad storytelling in big franchises. Especially if he'd expanded into television and film as games became increasingly multiplayer.
>>736667153I was specifically referring to 1. In 1 he states his legs are fucked, nothing else. It's only 2 onwards that he suddenly has brittle bones everywhere.
>>736667804I mean let's be real the literal only reason anyone ever cures the genophage is Wrex, and only him. And not because they genuinely believe he'd lead them to a less violent warmongering future, but because they don't want to have to kill him.
>>736669165>krogan>being the giganiggers they were born to be>expectations subvertedThe future looks bleak, child.
>>736666554>>the problem is with gamers themselves man
>>736672340I'd like to believe he and Bakara get a generation or two of the race under control, but I can't see how it would last unless they copy the Salarians and do controlled breeding.
>>736669403Until the invention of the firearm, the number one cause of death on Tuchanka was "eaten by predator". After, it was "shot by krogan". Basically their planet was hyperhostile and until they managed to invent a tool that actually allowed them to effectively fight back their survival strategy was to outbreed the losses. You'll note they have prey physiognomy, with their eyes at the sides of the head rather than directed to the front. Once that problem was solved, their population exploded and the rest is history.
>>736663941Mass effect augs are more internal, like biotic amps, skin weaves and whatever the krogan from andromeda had, he was apperantly more mech then krogan at that point, but it didn't show. Gene therapy is standard issue for alliance soldiers and something civilians can opt in to aswell.But i'm a firm believer that mordin had his forearms blown off at some point and it's just not adressed.
>>736674582Damn i never noticed that.
>>736674582like that one amputee companion in veilguard where her missing leg is never mentioned
>>736672412The crowd who likes to farm drama content from release titles is the worst among them, but (((gamers))) as a whole have been turning into whiny spoiled brats who will absolutely nitpick the fuck out of any game they're playing. They can't enjoy it as an isolated experience any more, they have to dissect everything.
>>736676254Yeah we get it Mr. Marketer, the evil gamers are to blame for your product being shit. Funny how other games don't suffer from being dissected and are still hugely popular and successful though...
>>736644941You cope by accepting that there is only one Mass Effect game - the first one. Everything else is a hallucination and fanfic. Also, by accpeting that, you are not coping, you are accepting the objective fact and reality.Same is the case with Dragon Age - it has only one game - DA: Origins.
>>736666554>People actually believe thisSchizophrenia
>>736663941People usually get implants in their finger tips to have physical feedback using holographic interfaces. Translators and omni tools can also be implanted in the body. Shepard's got tons of cybernetics in him after Lazarus, and people dont really react if his face gets all fucked up from being a renegade, coupled with a throwaway line in the Citadel DLC implying that those types of cybernetic appearances aren't super rare.Other than that the setting seems to put more focus on bioware rather than cyberware, with skin weaves, muscle laces, and improved anti bodies being the norm.
>>736677153CARLOS.
>>736650220This. So much this.Also, they did not exactly rip it off, the major thing with Reapers is a rip off from Revelation Space novels.
>>736676883what kind of world are you living in? most of today's releases are being shat on left right and center. If the disingenuous masses of morons can't find anything to criticize gameplay wise then here's always some stupid, fabricated controversy surrounding them.
>>736677063>drama isn't profitablewhat exactly are you trying to pull here? it's not working
>>736659646Hyerion is a great novel, however, it is only 2/3 of the actual Hyperion story. Fall of Hyperion is the other 1/3, and the whole story is incomplete without it.
>>736677465>>drama isn't profitableNot what was said, schizo. Try to be less obvious with your strawmen.
>>736677465>Its not that the games are bad, its the fucking youtubers!!!You realize how insane you sound, right?
>>736677523these things go hand in hand, most youtubers have their own shitty servers where they collaborate with their cronies to make a profitable video about and profit off of. Of course games aren't always the target, but they're on the radar, especially new games.
>>736678112You will stop arguing against straw men and you will do it now. It's getting extremely embarrassing.
>>736677780the quality has declined, sure. But don't pretend like people blowing things out of proportion for content and exposure isn't also the case. But then again, we're on 4chan so maybe I shouldn't expect you to get it.
What is with this insane zoomer cope? Is it some deranged projection over their own addiciton to tiktok or something?
>>736678245You legitimately think humanity has fallen because there are supposedly cabals of youtubers and their fans who sink every new release by making videos. You are a fucking retarded insane person. No it can't possibly be that CEOs and shareholders are the out of touch retards people have accused them of being since 2010, its the youtubers.
>>736678216not as embarrassing as losers making dramatic reactions to trivial game content.
>>736678441I meant that as a symptom of a larger problem about internet and outrage culture that influences new generations and in turn, decays humanity as a whole. You can't be this dense.
>>736678683You are a depraved egomaniac inventing persecution narritives in your head. I can't believe I'm saying this but where's the dude who posts pepe while saying >Nobody should be allowed to have an opinion because the only person who should have an opinion is me as I'm the most important person in the world.
>>736678975and you're a moron deprived of basic logic. How it it not true that the economical side of the internet rewards outrage culture. It's everywhere you blind idiot, go to any platform and observe the shit that gets shoveled in your face. Everyone is participating in it, normies because it's entertaining for them, "content" creators and platforms because it's profitable.
>>736679314Here's a challenge for you. Name one of these games killed by "trvialities". If there are entire discord cabals roaming around doing this, surely it'll be easy.
>>736650187>ME2 is bad because ME3 was atrociousBiggest fucking brown skinned crayon eating retard take i've seen pop up on /v/ in recent years
>>736679314>>736679434This is a wholesome Ass Effect thread boise. Stay classy.
>>736679434there's no recent game that got outright killed by trivialities, as single player games can't exactly be shut down, but there absolutely are activities where grifters just want to profit off of a game while just being needlessly critical of it. Look at dispatch, look at BG3. I hate to say it, and I know how this will sound, but even cuntcord had its fans (not me) and the internet obliterated it.
>>736670610Chuck was tall af
>>736679937>Its obvious, its everywhere!!!>Okay its not actually but—Shut the fuck up and just go.
>>736680030Outrage culture is everywhere, yes.
People who love ME2 but shit on ME3 fascinate meIt's the same fucking game only 3 has combat rolling, actual gun mod modding, tighter shooting, more varied arena design,melee combos, heavy melee,biotics only builds, tech only builds, melee only builds, etc.ME3 is the only game in the trilogy with a multiplayer for a reason
>>736680103Yet you couldn't name a single game this so called culture actually negatively impacted. What a far reaching and horrible issue. Truly humanity has fallen.
>>736680271She's gonna get up,right?
>>736680280I named them but I can give more examples if you want: The Last of Us Part II, Cyberpunk 2077, Ready or Not, Hatred etc.
>>736657469thisI loved 1, and also somewhat enjoyed 23 killed the whole thing and I was super pissed when it happened, but it's been almost 15 years so I don't care anymore, I'm just glad I got to experience the first game when it came out and will treasure that memory
>>736680271Vanguard is better in 2. Its too easy in 3.
>>736680470>there's no recent game that got outright killed by trivialitiesDid you or did you not say this.
>>736680663Vanguard in 2 is CAN'T GET A LOCKThe charge gimmick is perfected with the nova-combo
>>736680747>Bring a single pistol with you to combat.>Your cooldowns are between 1-2 seconds.>Spam nothing but nova charge in every enemies face.>Become unkillable even on insanityNah man, I like the me3 combat overall but for vanguard I'm sticking to 2
>>736681018>I'M HAVING TOO MUCH FUN
>>736680675I did, but then you said I couldn't name any game negatively impacted by outrage culture. I also did name an unsavory game killed by it, and while we may consider it not trivial (imo concord's designs suck ass), there's still a portion of people who enjoyed that game and now can't play it anymore due to online backlash over what they'd consider trivial.
>>736681404So a bad game can't be called bad anymore because someone somewhere, might like it? Jesus christ you are a marketer. I guess we should ignore all the people who also said the gameplay was ass. Clearly Bubsy 3D is just another victim of outrage culture. Let's not get into all the other games you named which all did completely fine, if not great. Completely killing the entire reason you're crying about this.
>>736681703we're retreading old ground here but the criticism of concord (while legit considering the designs) was clearly blown out of proportion. Consider that Naughty Dog got bfo'd by all the review bombing of TLOU II and the outrage over their stupid space monk design. At best it may sell copies but it still affects the developer and not in a constructive way. Anyways, continue shitting on devs and games all the time, see what good it will bring in the future.
Jailbait Tali has such a perfect figure.
>>736682359>A hero shooter with bad designs and bad gameplay clearly does not deserve to fail. To the surprise of no one, all your whining was full of shit after all. We don't even need to get into why people disliking narritive choices in a primarily narritive driven game is literally the opposite of over analyzing something to call it bad. You are, as has been said, a depraved egomaniac out of touch with reality and mad that consumers are actually pushing back against an industry famous for not learning anything ever.
>>736682359I don't play any of that slop but when I saw a video of Concord weeks after it died I was shocked how fucking slow it was
>>736659604>not needing to grind multiplayer to get good ending in ME3This wasn't an issue for a decade at this point, between the DLC points and the threshhold being lowered you could overshoot the ending by over a thousand assets even with 50% war readiness
>>736644941What the fuck do you have to cope with?Being a fan of something that WAS great should mean having to deal with the shit that sucked about it.Why do you think the series had to continue forever?Everything good HAS to end or it will die off shittily anyways.Fuck andromeda, fuck the stupid show.Pick what you like and be particular about it.
>>736683048there's criticism and there's farming content with negative nitpicking. you people latch on to one example and claim it's the basis for my argument when it isn't. I'm not mad that consumers are pushing back against bad and shitty practices like lootboxes for example, but nowadays the latch onto any and all controversial or "problematic" part of a game for content, be it left or right wingers doing it. It's trash.
>>736683048also I mean the culture-war bullshit regarding concord, it deserved its fall and objective critiques but it didn't deserve to be destroyed, no game does. Or would you prefer that certain games become unplayable?
>>7366802713 is certainly a massive improvement in terms of gameplay compared to 2. When I replayed the trilogy last year, 2 almost made me stop. Combat is that fucking bad.
>>736644941You had 3 flawed, but generally good games. Be thankful it happened and let go.
I would pay money to play mass effect 3 multiplayer again
>>736662502i have a series X and mass effect on it. it runs at like 30 FPS and the graphics are 720p AT BESTit's hard to play the originals in this day and age on original hardware. and i agree the legendary editions are abominations. but i'm kinda left holding the bag and just not wanting to play either version a true proper upscaling like some backwards compatible games get would be a godsend, but it's not going to happen
>>736686867Just pirate the PC version, what the fuck are you talking about
>>736686867>720p AT BESTIt's a 1080p game.>it's hard to play the originals in this day and age on original hardwareWhat are you talking about, buy a 360 off eBay.
>>736670368Collector's are literally reaper forces and are working for a reaper and building a human reaper. Get real dipshit.
>>736650691Tried it, they don't. It actually just makes a third separate visual look that is better than LE but still worse than optimized ME1.
>>736653396Yeah but not like ME3
>>736663547Unknowable entity horror is better than a ghost child AI that makes you kill yourself in three different colors. Fuck off.
>>736667138>they are a decentralized loose organization with numerous cells that don't know what the others are doing>then in ME3 they're a big evil army Epic.
>>736658272The issue stems from 3 turning Shepard into the same character for everybody, with the amount of auto-dialogue and railroading him into thinking so much about Earth and the little kid, when 1 and 2 had you roleplay a character, in order to define him.I still think you can do that in important areas in 3, whenever they ask you if you're doing fine, and you can ignore Shepard's visible emotion to say "stiff upper lip" through the whole game. But they still railroaded you to have deep emotions about the situation, and those always canonize Shepard as a guy or girl, who felt like they were too late to save everyone. And then in the writer's own words they "foreshadowed strongly" through the game that Shepard's destiny is to die in a heroic sacrifice.>I'll sleep when I'm dead>There's only so much misery you can witness. Only so much pain until...>I'll stop the Reapers, even if it kills me!>For protheans this war is like a prison. Maybe if we win this we will both be set free.>Javik dies in the most "honest" route.To give some credit, they did mostly align these "foreshadowing" lines of dialogue into paragon choices, but a few are auto-dialogue. They had a good opportunity to align the Paragon Route with Shepard dying to feel absolution while saving the galaxy, and Renegade be Shepard ignoring the pain to live on as a strong man, after the war was won at any cost. This is also somewhat embedded into the 3 options at the end with Destroy having the most obvious ramifications to lives that are lost (the Geth, if they didn't die already) and Shepard surviving it if you prepared well enough.But it could've been much cleaner, where there's a more obvious throughline on Paragon that Shepard is preparing himself to give up anything, to be a hero who dies for everyone else, and Renegade being Shepard who views himself as the biggest man, who has to stand tall over the Reapers's corpses and anyone too weak to survive their invasion, survival of the fittest.
always just a series with potential. never a great one.
>>736688003>Cont'd.But the story as they ended up writing it just turned into this other complicated mess because they couldn't pin down a central theme behind the Reapers' own motivations that aligns with other themes in the game. And you'd have to rewrite an increasingly high amount of Mass Effect 3 to not have this problem when you're about to confront the Reapers with the Crucible at the end, and any ending that is just "Shepard activates the crucible and wins" I feel shortens the story out of lingering questions about these cycles and greater philosophy of how civilizations rise and fall. They absolutely needed some "deep shit" akin to the Catalyst sequence, it just doesn't work when it's the Catalyst sequence, and the 3 retardo endings.
>>7366880042 is still a Hallmark experience to me. We've had many "action games with dialogue wheels" since thanks to Horizonslop and CD Projekt, but Mass Effect 2 is the only time I ever felt like "wow they really made their own universe, and I'm inside of it, and it's living and breathing, and where will it go from here?"But yes. It's untapped potential. But I really did feel like ME2 was one of the big gaming milestones in 2010, same as Ocarina of Time, Half Life 2, or Last of Us.
>>736680271ME3 is my least favorite by the simple fact that it is no longer a space ship captain RPG. That's the central basis and player experience of 1 and 2, despite them being very different. 3 just straight dropped that aspect and focused in on being a generic shooter campaign.
>>736644941The most important question to askWhich one is it for you?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2pM5iPTlSghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcrDWAuyqtc
>>736688382ME obviously, not a debate
>>736680271>It's the same fucking gameI've had enough of your disingenuous assertions.
I just realised mass effect released 19 years ago.
>>736680271Because 3 is fucking terrible and shat all over the story and tanked the franchise? What kind of question is this? Literally everyone loved ME2 and shit on ME3 when it came out. It was a massive disappointment and one of the biggest blunders in all of gaming.
>>736644941You accept that 3 and everything after was bad, and just enjoy 1 and 2 for what they did well.
I've oddly come around on 3 over the years and a couple of trilogy replays, and I can't even pinpoint exactly why
>>736644941>with nothing new coming down the pipelineDude, did you forget Amazon is making a new series adaptation? You don't cope. You KYS your Commander Shepard in-game because nothing matters anymore.
>>736689906I haven't. I've actually tried to play 3 to give it another chance multiple times and always dropped it after remembering how much I hate it mid-way through. I've played 1 and 3 too many times to count, however.
>>7366899831 and 2*
>>736689906For me it's that it's funnest to play and the Genophage and Geth-Quarian War are legitimately great segments of storytelling. Also had pretty great DLCs so when taking that into the whole experience there's a lot of good.But then the general quality of everything takes a nosedive pretty much everytime Cerberus becomes the focus or secondary antagonist of the main story. And the side missions focused on them are the weakest in the game too.Obviously I don't even need to discuss the ending, it's less insulting now after time and the EC but it's still insulting.
>>736690250>Genophage and Geth-Quarian War are legitimately great segments of storytellingAs soon as you literally get stepped on by a reaper on Tuchanka and somehow survive, the "storytelling" is completely destroyed. I don't even think these conflicts should have been resolved in such haphazard fashion within 1 game. These are centuries long issues that feel ridiculous to solve in that way, in the middle of an existential war with an outside threat no less.
>>736688382Wait,that's the SAO Abridged song.
>>736690250Cerberus is the weakest part, especially Kai Leng. Fucker got one-shot by me on Thessia 3 times and he still lived.I don't like the Leviathan DLC though.
Justify this, 2fags.
>>736644941Just play the first game and then stop. It's mostly self contained anyway.
>>736676254Just say you are butthurt they're not speaking positively about YOUR game of choice. Baldur's Gate 3, Hogwarts Legacy, Crimson Desert, Expedition 33, Space Marine 2, Resident Evil 9, Slay the Spire 2, Black Myth Wukong, Stellar Blade, etc. etc. etc. All these games had good word of mouth, were highly anticipated, sold well, and there's more games like these to come. Gamers just don't like what Bioware is making, and it has been that way since Dragon Age 2. Not my problem.
i cope by listening to the comfy music all the time to relaxhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JJo7D5YY3s&list=PLEObZ58uESz1FjuzkmcTPgycckrwn4CJe&index=4
>>736690751terminators are coola big terminator is even cooler
reminder Vanguard is the baby mode class, you're playing on Journalist Difficulty
it had a certain vibe to other Sci Fi IP managed to catch. Yet i cant put my finger on it what that vibe actually was
>>736692104>other IPstart watching Farscape you might get a few flashbacks
>>736688003That only works, if it doesn't break my immersion. If it does, then I don't care about the foreshadowing, the dialogue choices, the autodialogue, etc. Railroad every single line of dialogue to this one distilled personality, I don't care. If I am not on board with it, you just ruined the character to push something that is against your player's agency. I don't care if the writing is Shakespearean, if it doesn't work for the masses, it is a failure and patently with the hate for the nightmare sequences, the starkid etc, it did not work in Bioware's favor. This was a catastrophic level failure in terms of narrative.>>736688064>any ending that is just "Shepard activates the crucible and wins" I feel shortens the story out of lingering questions about these cycles and greater philosophy of how civilizations rise and fall. They absolutely needed some "deep shit" akin to the Catalyst sequenceI would take "the crucible fires and Shepard wins" 99% of the time over some deep meaning bullshit. There is no reason to do that, unless the game is called Planescape: Torment.
>>736689940Mike Gamble already said it will not be an adaptation of the games, it takes place after ME2, the casting rumors we heard were true, the damning thing, above all, is the writing room and the showrunner that have never written anything that hasn't bombed.
>>736692607>after ME2oh boy, remember the 6 million Batarians will be on my bingo card
>>736692801Sorry, I meant after ME3, my mistake. Sorry, sorry.
>>736692208not him but I've seen it and don't see what relation it has with mass effect at all, very different vibes. Honestly I can't think of any other sci-fi property similar enough to mass effect off the top of my head. It's pretty unique with the lore and aliens and all.
>>736693008how did you miss Asari template entire collector factionthere are even Mordin's DNA sprinkled in there
>>736693008Babylon 5 shares the most DNA with Mass Effect of anything.
>>736693192I get what you're saying, but the vibe is very different in general, Farscape rarely takes itself seriously, but yeah the Asari kind of are like the delvians >>736693890I've been meaning to watch it for so many years now just never got around to it. Started it a few times got through most of the first season and stopped. But From what I know about it I would agree with you, the Citadel itself seems inspired by the concept of babylon 5 in the first place.
>>736694083Babylon 5 is not exactly a smooth ride it has a few nonsensical plotlines which go nowhere and show gets more convoluted as it goes, some characters are criminally underutilized or just get shitty plots nobody cares about (looking st you GariBALDi)that being said there is a good chemistry between characters ( if you watched deep space 9 it will be fairly familiar)
>>736694083From what I remember, Season 1 is half filler. And frankly the first six hours of ME1 were not very enjoyable to me either. Lots of setup...but then it begins to pay off and gets good. Have you looked into using a viewing guide for Babylon 5? After looking into that, a few places suggested that about eight of the Season 1 episodes were essential. It really does get good after that.
>>736694589>skipping episodes gay
