This game is so much harder than New Vegas and 4 it's crazy.
>>736651415how so?
>>736651415It's way harder to stay engaged and keep playing it. I can almost never make it past megaton it gets so boring lol.
>>736651462i'm about 7 hours in. i've never needed to heal this much in either game, and i feel like i'm constantly attacked, running out of ammo, and looking for a bed. i like it, but it's my first time playing it and it's way harder. also dogmeat can die, which i don't want, so i have to reload saves.
>>736651478i don't think it's boring,
>>736651462Not the OP, but the level scaling really ruined the fun for me. There wasn't incentive to go and explore, because it just increased the difficulty. Ignoring the main quest and doing all the exploration/side quests were way more fun than the main quest. So it just punished you for having fun.
>>736651583AM OP, you're kidding me! I am doing side missions right now to level up to make the main quest easier. There's gotta be a balance, right?
>>736651415whats hard about it? ghoul reavers are insane bullet sponges but nv has them too
>>736651720lack of ammo and heal items, NEEDING so many heal items... super mutants are BRUTAL. i'm early game, but it's way harder i think. companion dying way easier than would be expected.
>>736651720i think i died like 3 times total in new vegas. between me and dogmeat, we've died a dozen times and it's super early.
>>736651786>NEEDING so many heal items...Sleeping basically fully heals.
>>736651663I'm not kidding, the game is best played where you mainline the main quest, with doing only the minimal amount of side quests as possible, to get enough gear/etc. Then replaying it for all the side questing, and ignoring the main quest.All the random encounters become much more difficult, as you level or gain/lose karma.I spent about 120 hours ignoring the main quest, and then hating my time, because I'd either have to waste my time/ammo/healing items fighting or waste my time running away from the combat.
>>736651873yeah but usable mattresses are few and far between. like, i rarely find one.
>>736651875i'm taking your word because i didn't even think about level scaling. i think i'll just grind for the few early perks i like and just do the linear game.
i went energy weapons, got the synths plasma gun and raped everything lolcombat shotgun is a beast too
>>736651949If you're early, then doing some side quests for some levels/gear/etc. You won't ruin your time doing that in the early game.
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>>736652007i haven't even seen a synth. yeah i'm full hunting rifle/sawed off crit build. that's just what i like. it's hurtin early game though.
>>736652063if you didnt go 9 int and go to rivet city for the bobblehead you fucked up lol
>>736652058yeah i need the vats rifle accuracy perk like right now lol. like i also can't believe how much you miss. it's insane compared to the other games. y
>>736652118i have 8 int and can use my next perk to get to 9, but no i did not do that. i'm going in blind. i'd have no way to know about that. should i look that up and do that? i'm only level 6. my perks are educated, gunslinger , rad generation (from a quest), and swift learner x3.
>>736652181>swift learnerlol why would you take that dogshit perk, exp perks are the worst perks in games like these because theres a level cap and tons of exp to be gained from quests and enemies, sleeping at your megaton house gives you 10% alonealso yeah you should get the bobblehead as early as possible
ALSO DOGMEAT DOESN'T HAVE INVENTORY. do other companions? New Vegas gives you a non-human and a human both with like 220 weight inventory. that alone is making this game harder. i do not see how someone could think it isn't harder than new vegas. in new vegas, by now i'd have an invincible robot with a ranged attack that gives me a perception buff that can hold 220 of inventory. (to be clear, i'm enjoying this more than my first play of new vegas because i didn't really get new vegas at first? but this is way harder.)
>>736652303no, i like it. at least in new vegas, i was really happy about it. okay i'll look up the bobblehead thing.
>>736651415I liked both 3 and NV, but I still prefer NV. Actually I enjoyed all the Fallout games even though some of them objectively aren't that great.
>>736651478I agree based on my memory but I haven't played the game in quite a while
>>736651462Randomly spawning Yao Guai, Deathclaws. Mutants(Overlords) tanky and huge numbers. I got shredded over and over until I got the Gatling Laser and Fawkes. And the game gets harder overtime with Ghoul Reavers,Albino Radscorpions and shit.I've finished New Vegas with a 9mm pistol only several times in FO3 Plus you can avoid majority of the combat by passing speech checks which are very easy. New Vegas is baby mode even on the hardest difficulty.
>>736651415That's what makes it so good. I remember playing it as a kid, I accidentally got attacked by the whole of Megaton due to stealing, and also accidentally killed the doc and didn't realise how much I messed up until a few hours later. And of course I didn't have a recent save. Had to traipse through the wilds with half a healthbar and zero healing items, eventually finding a settlement called big town or something. Then i turns out that settlement has been taken over by mutants, and I somehow have to kill them while taking zero damage more or less. When I finally made it and could buy buy meds, I almost cried from relief, one of the best moments of vidya ever. That's the kind of shit that Bethesda's janky design used to make.
THERE'S ALSO MINES EVERYWHERE. even places that don't make any sense.
>>736652409i want New Vegas with better graphics than and the gunplay of 4. (i can't and won't ever finish 4 because every side mission is go to ____ and clear it of _____s.
>fallout 3>hard>harder than fallout 4HAHAHAHAHAHA HOLY SHITGuess bethesda faggots really are low IQ troglodytes.
>>736652916Lets hope Fallout 4: New Vegas actually gets released
>>736651415They are all very easy
this game is constant punishment so far. just getting lit up by shitty 10mm fully autos in random rooms of dungeons, and being at little health and missing shots at point blank range in vats. NEVER was new vegas like this. the first deathclaws in new vegas are the only thing i can think of, and you can just rock hop the mountains by them. and your TWO companions die, but they come back anyways.
>>736653006it'd have to be non-linear like new vegas is. but i'd love that, and doubt it will happen. that'd be my perfect fallout for sure. i'd prefer it being in like kansas city or something though
None of the Fallout games are hard including 1 and 2
Is this some kind of meme I dont think I died even once in my last playthrough if this game
>>736653750yeah i mostly play retro side scrollers, and no 3d games are ACTUALLY hard. i'm saying 3 is way harder than new vegas or 4. surprisingly so. i wasn't trying to make a competition of which games are hard and which aren't. super castlevania 4 is way easier than castlevania. i've never even beaten castlevania. i still think castlevania 4 is hard. i'm talking about the fallout series specifically.
>>736653645The Fallout 4: New Vegas project team is apparently still active and skyblivion shows it can actually be done, but yes we should keep our expectations realistic for such projects
>>736653852well i died once, maybe twice, in my first playthrough of new vegas. i've died i think a half dozen times in this first playthrough of 3, and dogmeat has died 3 times. and i have to heal constantly. i'm not saying it's a super hard game. i'm saying it's harder than new vegas or 4.
>>736651415>This game is so much harder than New Vegas and 4 it's crazy.Just use stealth lol
>>736651478>do megaton>always do operation anchorage to get powerarmor perk early>get bored>start again>find out theres a skip glitch to skip anchorage and just get the rewards>do that>still get bored
>>736653940that has never crossed my mind in a game like this. i just focus on crit builds. that's just what i like. i recently started my first skyrim game, and tons of hours in, i started a new character to play a 2nd run and it's an assassin because i see how that'd be fun in that game.
>>736651873>>736651786>NEEDING so many heal itemsWater puddles heal an absurd amount of health per sip if a mattress in every shack wasn't enough.>>736652916>the gunplay of 4.????hitscan pipeshit where devs didn't even try with weapon design and magic enchantments?
>>736651949don't listen to that moron, the best way to play is to just wander around and do whatever catches your interest. The struggle is part of the fun, beating the main quest soley just to get some extra powerful items quicker is just lame.
>>736654317i noticed this from sinks. and the rads don't matter like they do in 4. i played 4 first, and i didn't realize how little rads matter through my whole new vegas playthrough or until i was hurting for health in this 3 playthrough. >hitscan pipeshit where devs didn't even try with weapon design and magic enchantments?i feel like gunplay is way more fun and satisfying in 4. the issue i have is that all the side quests are go to ____ and clear it of _____. i also like in 4 that vats doesn't freeze time, it just slows it. but in 3, i mean... i kind it to freeze time. 3 is NUTS to me compared to the other 2. but yeah, i find using perks and carrying scraps to mod and use an energy rifle and take out a room is way more satisfying in 4. i think that's kind of the only thing that's good about that game. i really like the gunplay in 4. i think the future of the series should lean into the gunplay in 4, but take a step backwards to 3 and new vegas in every other regard.
>>736654317* i don't know what you mean by magic enhancements.>>736654547well, i thought that, but i did feel disappointed with my new vegas finish because i feel like it didn't even let me finish the main story. and it's the only game i've ever played where i cared about the story. i don't even understand what my ending was.. anyways, i getcha, and i like linear. i dunno. i think i like 3 more, but it just seems a little unforgiving and unrewarding. but i until recently only played retro games.. so ps3 games and newer are all new to me. i'm actually surprised that new vegas was so easy. and think it's weird that the discourse i always see is new vegas vs 4, when 3 vs new vegas makes more sense.
>>736654892VATS is shittier due to being half assed slow motion, but at least enemies react better to being crippled, however there's no RPG progression in firearms where your character doesn't get better at shooting, you just pump numbers using sawdust, negro semen and rust on guns that all look sound and animate retarded.An extreme example but I personally don't even need to know how to use file system for my character to be a hacker, or I don't need to know anything about talmudic judaism to be a master trader. similarly, I don't have to be CSGO global elite to play a sharpshooter character and I would expect an RPG character I build to have tools that make him better than I am at shooting.>>736654980>* i don't know what you mean by magic enhancements.Legendary modifiers like no reloads, magic elemental bullets, exploding bullets, whatever retarded legendary modifier that enchants weapons for enemy type.
>>736655551vats isn't slow motion in 3. it freezes time just like new vegas. i will say that crippling plays way more affect and makes way more sense. yeah i agree there's no rpg progression in shooting, but i don't see how it's different from new vegas. i just think it's the same but way way way slower and you miss way more often (it feels like final fantasy v on snes vs ffv on game boy advance. just way more misses for no reason.) the hacking system also makes no sense. it makes perfect sense in new vegas. i feel like i need to look something up for it to make sense in 3 because it's not as simple as "these letters in the same place equal numbers" it doesn't even work with "these letters out of place equal numbers" it actually makes almost no sense, and then there's no reason to do the science skill.. whereas it makes big sense in new vegas and 4. which i actually like that it's so stupid so i can focus stats on lockpick, speech, and something else. i REALLy need to focus on carry weight though because dogmeat can't carry anything. if human compaions have inventory space please tell me right now.i don't care about barter at all either. i just sell shit, and i've never cared about buying anything but ammo in any of the games (but i do buy stimpacks in 3 because they're much fewer and far between.) but yeah i think you can make a character better than you at shooting. but actually a big fucked up thing in 3 is that you can aim down sights, be super close, and totally miss by a mile... so your personal aiming doesn't matter at all. which i don't mind and think is fair, once you understand the game you're playing. it's not a... "i'm not going to put stats into aiming or crits because i'm good at aiming." no. it's not that kinda game. SO SOMEONE IS AGREEING WITH ME BUT I'M DISAGREEING WITH THEM BECAUSE OF WHAT KIND OF GAME IT IS lol
