>>736675687
There better fucking be, Ram prices are finally starting to drop some.
I NEED a Steam Frame, and I might as well grab a controller too (if its priced decently)

1100 steam frame

>>736675687
Only the controller is of any interest

>>736675687
If I wasn't a neet i'd get all 3 but alas i'm povertymaxxing and can only afford the controller

Source?
The faggot who posts the pasta with the angry Chad image should kill himself

>>736675687
>still no price given
why won't they talk about it?

>>736675687
>steam machine going to cost premium with very shitty specs for an unupgradeable pc
>VR headset is not oled and already outdated technology before it's out
>controller mousepad is a meme function
it's over before it even begun

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Honestly I just don't see the point when geforce now exists.

£200 a year for RTX 5080 performance or £100 a year for ps5 performance. Works great, silent, works on multiple devices etc and most importantly so cheap. Could literally get given a ps5 for free and you'd still be paying more in electricity and the multiplayer pass.

>>736676352
Oy vey, hope you get gifted an iranian missile tonight

>>736676210
Not really. Valve is trying to bring console level hardware standardization to an absolutely fucked market before its too late

>>736675687
Are blankposts shill privilege? How are they possible? I thought alt-255 didnt work anymore

>>736676210
steam machine is more of a replacement for your ps5 and an intro to pc gaming than it is replacing your custom built gaming pc

>>736676486
valve is trying to sell a product to make money, steamies are so fucking deranged they think every move gaben does is to save the economy and entire humanity

>>736676540
>Pre orders next month
You're retarded

>>736676613
literally no one who owns a ps5 is going to buy this, the intended audience for the steam machine are people who already own a PC and worship valve

The steam machine's superiority seems to make winjeets seethe really hard for some reason

>>736676352
Some of us don’t enjoy input delay and latency.

>>736675687
I wish the steam deck all the best
My GPU is also unfortunately 8gb also and I don't see myself upgrading for a long time.
My rule is upgrade when they make 40 games that don't work on the hardware you own.
That use to be 2 to 3 years max.
Now that probably is a decade.
If this is successful it will mean my GPU gets supported for longer

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>>736675687
I'm excited for the steam frame, personally.
The controller could be cool too.

>>736676616
What are you talking about nigger? Valve has complained about there being 0 hardware standards in pc for a long time & the only reason they never actively did anything it was because muh freedom fags. I'm fairly positive what steam wants to happen is they want to set a baseline for pc standards that devs will target so niggas cant abuse refunds but go off on your schizorage I guess. Beats buying nintendo slop & supporting animals being deprived of water lol

>>736677343
Me too. I want a new VR setup that has native integration with Steam. The HP Reverb G2 is what I’ve had. WMR is just too wonky and requires more hardware resources than necessary, even with the new community driver. Having Valve polish on a headset is what the industry needs now.

bump

>>736680837
FAGGOT

I'm kinda concerned for the Artifact guy, it's been like 3 or 4 Valve threads since he's shown up. I hope he's okay :(

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>>736677343
Same. I stopped using my PSVR2 the moment they announced it. Unfortunately I was under the impression it was coming out in January...then February...now I'm just praying this thing is out at the start of summer. I'm excited to stream regular games and watch stuff from my desktop while I lay in bed. Assuming the streaming is as good as everyone says it is.

>>736678138
>The HP Reverb G2 is what I’ve had.
I went from Reverb G2 to PSVR2 a few years ago. What a huge leap. The fact that I wasn't constantly losing tracking was a fucking godsend. My only complaint about the PSVR2 is that the controllers make it awkward to play Walkabout Mini Golf. Again, if streaming is as good as everyone says it is, then I will consider the Steam Frame a huge leap as well, even if I lose out on OLED. I've got a fairly beefy laptop as well, so that paired with the Frame is the ultimate portable VR experience. I mean, I get that the Frame can run games, but why would I do that when I have a significantly more powerful device that can run them instead. I'm excited to hang with my brother and nieces and let them mess around in VR for the first time.

>>736681369
top fucking kek

>>736676765
Maybe, but the majority of PC Gamers run a prebuilt PC that they can not, or will not upgrade. With hardware that is lower spec than the Steam Machine or Steam Deck. Running an OS that is either EOL or getting worse with every forced downgrade from Microsoft.

But like the Deck, Valve is going to get people who have been console-only because of how bad the PC Gaming experience has been on Microsoft Windows or Apple MacOS to buy a Steam Machine, or try out SteamOS on another system.

>>736676352
>100 hours premium monthly playtime
that's why

>>736676016
Because it's going to be insanely high for what it is. Last I checked you can't even upgrade the hardware which is a huge negative.

>>736682038
That's more than 3 hours a day. Who the hell needs more than that?

>>736682141
NTA but kill yourself

>>736682141
me, i'm a neet, video games are my escapism

>>736681604
>I'm excited to hang with my brother and nieces and let them mess around in VR for the first time.
Comfy

>>736675872
>First standalone HMD running ARM Linux instead of Poodroid
The Steam Frame is also very interesting.
>>736676016
Because it's going to depend heavily on whatever their unit costs end up being, since they will inevitably get sued by patent trolls after release.
>>736676486
>HW standardization
Not needed, they're just trying to make sure that the only compute device in someone's house is never iOS or Android slop, since that means needing to negotiate with two actively malicious companies instead of them being allowed to exist like a benign tumor.

>>736675687
i need to have sex with that gamepad

The controller is the only thing I'm interested in. The original gamepad was my go to for PC games.

>>736682141
People tend to have free time on weekends.

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fuck off jacket man

>>736682073
Worst part is, like the Steam Deck, whatever Valve has to charge for the Steam Machine, vendors selling prebuilt systems with Windows 11 pre-installed will be charging more for the same performance.
Repairability will probably be good, and it will have some upgrade options for users who open it up, but CPU and GPU upgrades will likely be a main board replacement. But that isn't unusual for mini-PCs.

They probably just don't want to talk about a price until they have one they have supply deals they can lock in for a while. Things are still way too volatile.

I'm going to buy a steam machine for my living room and treat it similar to my deck, its for older games it can play comfortably while my main pc will still be the goto for new releases and multiplayer.

>>736682141
I get your point but conceding like this is how you end up with cancer like streaming is now.

>>736675687
Finally the year of the Linux desktop is upon us.

Most excited for the controller, I got used to my Steam Deck to the point it ruined my Xbone controller for me
Also interested in the Frame, realistically I already have a Quest 2 and in the last 2-ish years I've used it exactly twice.
Both times it was to turn it on, see there's a fuckhuge update and by the time the update is done I lost the drive to bother.
Rationally I know I'd probably do the same with the Frame if I got it, and yet..

>>736677343
>non-OLED
No thanks

>>736675872
it looks uncomfortable as fuck.

>>736675687
Would love to get my hands on the Frame, been holding out for a decent non Meta headset for ages, but I expect it will be minimum €800 considering a deck is already almost €600.

I was excited for all of them at first, now im not
Too little too late
All the tech of the frame and machine is extremely out dated
Just bought a massive rig off facebook marketplace for 800$ (probably same price as steam machine)
3080 12gb
64gb of ram
I7-8th gen
2tb NVME ssd

Absolutely MOGS the fuck out of the steam machine in every capacity.
I got it hooked up to my TV to do VR.

Steam Frame has almost the same specs as the Quest 3, but the Frame is going to cost nearly 1000$ LOOOOL

There are a dozen new headsets that are cheaper and much MUCH better specs than the Frame.

Tech is old.

Only selling point is SteamOS

Too little. Too late.

I haven't followed the news, does the headset require those base stations? I feel paranoid about vr headsets that have cameras

>>736675687
You're all gonna be reall buttmad when they reveal hl3 with it as a vr exclusive..

>>736676352
If you subscribe to geforce now for just two-three years, you'll have spent so much money, that you would have been able to buy a whole premium gaming rig for the same amount of money. It's like bitching that apartments exist to buy, when you might as well be a rentoid your entire life..

>>736676486
That's literally what the next xbox console will do. And unlike the gabecube, it will be subsidized.

>>736684712
It’s not a great technology for the medium.

>>736687707
I don't know, Alex tries to have this scary atmosphere in the dark but it's just gray and I'm reminded I have a screen strapped to my face

>>736675687
Serious question. Is vr gaming worth it? what do you guys play? New vr games are so rare.

>>736688156
It will take a while for all the indie vr devs who got gobbled up by meta and then recently fired to form their own companies again and get off the ground, if they're even willing to do so after the years long corpo rape they endured. It's worth it for already released vr games and vr mods of other games as long as you look and find what interests you but I really don't know what the future of it will be like anymore.

>>736688156
>>736689226
Oh I should mention that valve has sent out a lot of dev kits for the steam frame and it's been pretty well received so there should be at least a few games on the way but realistically I think devs will wait to see how well the headset sells before committing

>>736688156
Fooling your brain to create an illusion of depth doesn't seem biologically sustainable to me, at least for gaming.

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>>736687565
Not him, but shut the fuck up. Your next Xbox will be an irrelevant piece of shit
>$1200 due to no one using the Xbox Store, no one using Game Pass, no paid online, and third party storefronts you'll have to download and install from the Windows Mode internet
>only sold on the Microsoft Store meaning it'll be overshadowed by the Steam Machine and 2028 Steam Deck 2 because Valve owns PC gaming
>3DO style OEMs will fail due to being a part of the PC sections of the store in some Xbox section with the marketing being handled by the OEM partner meaning the first thing people will see in retailers is the Switch 2 and PS6 Canis and Orion, not the Xbox Helix OEMs, so everyone will just ignore Xbox
>no killer apps
>no first-party exclusives that you can't get on other PC storefronts
>all their games are coming to Switch 2, PlayStation, and Steam
>their games will be optimized for Steam Hardware
>OEMs need to sell at a profit harder than the first-party reference device, so they will all cost more than Nintendo's, Sony's, and Valve's hardware
Stop shilling this Helix shit, you dumb rat. It's going to fail because Microsoft is retarded, like (You).

>>736687480
600$ get you a premium PC? in what world?

>>736689707
delusional pcbro melty

>>736689581
interdasting

>>736689831
There ain't no delusions, how the hell is that thing going to sell when Nintendo, Sony, and Valve already have them beat at everything with lower prices and all of their games? What is Xbox Project Helix first-party and third-party selling point? Why would I spend a premium on backward compatibility? What's even the point if any game not on the Xbox Store will be unoptimized games?

>>736676352
The cuck blastening having renter

>>736676765
Not him, I feel like living room boxes are on their way out. I can see people being more interested in the Switch 2, PS6 Canis, and the Steam Deck 2, honestly.

>>736690020
"muh optimization" shut the fuck up. you talk like the ps5 doesn't have a dedicated pro variant because they straight up can't optimize for it, and it still sold. i swear /v/ is the worst place on the internet to seek out cognizant discussions. also valve has nobody beat. they lost out on the handheld race with a product that was obsolete before it even came out. and now they're trying to compete with normal PCs at double the price.

>>736690584
No one gives a shit about your dead ass brand, called the Xbox, faggot. Everyone but the retarded idiot moved on to Switch, PlayStation, Steam Hardware, and Steam on Windows PC. Slapping "Xbox" on your Windows PC isn't going to save Xbox because no one gives a shit about Xbox. No dev is going to start with Helix on PC, they're going to start with the Steam Deck 2, for consoles, Nintendo Switch 2, and PS6 Canis. Xbox is irrelevant and devs will skip the Xbox Store for the Steam Store. Xbox is dead, get over it.

>>736675687
okay... BUT WHAT IS THE FUCKING PRICE YOU CUNTS,

>>736690882
Just look for a ryzen 8000 mini pc on aliexpress, the steam machine thing will be well over a grand

>>736675687
They should make a steam laptop with that hardware instead of a black satanist cube of saturn.

>>736675687
If it came out two years ago I would sell well, now not so much. It will simply be too expensive. I still hope the VR headset will not end up DOA.

>>736690882
$1250

>>736690882
Steam Machine 512GB bundle $699

>Still no price tag
The Frame is gonna be $1000+ isn't it?

>>736675687
This shit is going to flop so hard lmao.

>>736692967
$1299
>Source
It came to me in a dream.

early 2026 bros how are we coping?

>>736686039
It does not
In fairness they still have cameras, but they're on the VR headset itself

I NEED MY STEAM BOX SO I CAN GO ON REDDIT AND POST IMAGES OF IT RUNNING GAMES IN THE TUTORIAL LEVEL WHILE I HOLD UP THE CONTROLLER TO THE CAMERA
NOW NOW NOW NOW NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

i don't care, i will just buy the controller, it shouldn't be too expensive, i am hoping for 80 dollars

>>736693787
idk man $80 is pretty fucking expensive for a controller imo

>>736688156
No

>>736689707
I just want a cheapo medium rig that also happens to have steam on it. If bill gates is willing to give me that, i'll take it.

>>736689827
Bill will subsidize it for me

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>>736693857
>Xbox
$65
>Xbox Elite Series 2
$150 (Core) - $200 (Standard)

>PS5
$75
>DualSense Edge
$200

>Joy-Cons
$90
>Switch Pro Controller
$80
>Switch 2 Pro Controller
$90

I fully expect the Steam Controller to be $80-$90. The sad part is that it completely mogs the "Premium" controllers from Xbox/Sony by having significantly more features, and will no doubt be cheaper than 200 fucking dollars. I don't know about the DualSense Edge, but I've had 3 Elite Series 2 controllers that all had something break on them within 3 months. I made them last for years by learning how to solder and replace parts. It got to the point where I had to slap different boards together and make a Frankenstein's monster of a controller. I currently use the Apex 5 which retails for $160 and blows the Elite Series 2 out of the water, while being cheaper.

>>736696045
Shit, I forgot about the Switch 2 Joy-Cons

>$100

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>>736696045
A switch pro controller is $80?? What the FUCK those cheap crappy things get mogged into oblivions by a $25 Guilikit. That is crazy. But you're right, 1st party controller prices have gotten really goofy over the last few gens.

>>736696328
hello saar

>>736695946
Get a Steam Machine, you'll get all of that without the Windows issues slowing the game down. Even a regular gaming desktop will suffix. Just let Xbox die already.

>>736675687
is steam frame even real
im mostly interested in it
machine and controller aren't for me

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Zuck won

>>736676352
>£200 a year for RTX 5080 performance
PFFFF, just buy a 9070xt for 600 dollars you moron. At this rate it'll last to 10 years.

>>736677343
I was, I lost enthusiasm. I thought it would be 600 - 650 dollars, now I think its going to be close to 1k which means VR is dead and we aren't getting anymore games. I'm not buying back into a dead ecosystem.

>>736697381
I wonder if a ton of these meta exclusives will see their way to PC at some point. Seeing as Zuck has shut down basically every studio he bought. I mean we just got the OG Resident Evil Trilogy on Steam, which was stuck on GoG for a little bit, and that only exists because GoG put some development into those ports

>>736697693
>I thought it would be 600 - 650 dollars
It was never going to be that cheap.

>>736697994
it's a generic vrchat world

>>736698081
Oh yeah...that it is. In any case, I continue to wonder if their exclusives will see their way to PC at some point, all things considered.

>>736698029
The quest 3 launched for $499 3 years ago which was subsidised but sold over and close to the cost to produce. Specs wise this is on that level with a few additions and subtractions. 650 was completely plausible and likely their aim.

>>736697381
>>736698081
I actually really liked this exhibit, too bad they got rid of it

>>736698350
The Frame is more than the Quest 3 has ever been. Comparing the Quest 3 and the Frame based on specs alone is extremely disingenuous. I fully expected $800+. Especially since they outright said it would be less than the Index, but refused to elaborate beyond that. At this point, considering they've delayed announcing the price, I expect it to be between $900-$999.99

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I was more interested in the Frame before I knew they were dropping lighthouse support. I don't mind inside-out being an option but not the only option.

Are we gonna see a ton of cheaper quest 3s flood market when frame comes out as people ditch them
though i dont really want to use a used vr headset...

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>>736698670
It has an expansion slot, which they specifically put under the camera and tracking section of the specs. I'd be curious if it's possible for a company to make a module that would allow for lighthouse tracking.

>>736698608
>The Frame is more than the Quest 3 has ever been
how? It has updated specs but it is also 3 years newer, same lenses, similar lcds, similar FOV, removal of passthrough and depth cameras, addition of eye tracking, both come with controllers.

They are in the same spec and price range, just the frame is newer. why is it disingenuous to compare specs? they directly relate to the BOM cost and the final price, valve wanted a wider audience, why else put grandmas in your launch AD.

im not talking about the estimated price after AI fucked everything up, sure its going to be close to 1k now and any hope of reviving real VR will die because of that

>>736675687
yeah too bad i cant afford it cus the local college stole my grandpas money and double charged me

>>736675687
I'm buying a Steam Machine just for the hell of it. Want to get a Steam Deck too, but it's always sold out.
The things are pretty cheap too

'ick on 'achine just doesnt have the same ring to it

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>>736699156
If we go by specs alone, then yes you're completely correct; but Valve isn't selling a standalone HMD, they're selling a streaming focused HMD that can also run games standalone. It's meant for people who already have gaming PC's. Aside from that, the Frame is literally a Linux computer, meaning it can do leagues more than a Quest 3. The controllers are fully featured, to support play for nearly every game available on steam. As well as tracking and speakers that are supposedly comparable to the Index's.

>>736699883
>Uses same tech that PS used for the PSVR2
Ahh that's cool, would be nice to see them backward implement the technology so even the PSVR2 would work the same as the Frame.

>>736697182
>Get a Steam Machine
No

>>736699883
>Valve isn't selling a standalone HMD
what? its literally a standalone HMD that also streams games which is the same as the quest 3 just more streamlined. none of your other points have anything to do with the cost of the system.

>>736700514
Then get a Windows gaming PC, the hell you need that Helix shit for?

ITS GONNA BE $1000+ SCREENSHOT THIS

>>736700565
I just want it, simple as.

>>736700527
The standalone is going to be shit.

>>736675687
>my 1000 Fracture Cases are almost at $1 firm
Free Steam Frame soon for me :)

>>736676765
>the intended audience for the steam machine are people who already own a PC and worship valve
which is a massive amount of people, thankfully, and much to your snoygger chagrin

>>736681369
i hope he died a horrendous death, he was a retarded lying faggot

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>>736688156
Here's my list of good VR games, take it with a grain of salt ofc and do your own research :)


VR
Arken Age
Bootstrap Island
Compound
Dungeons of Eternity
Forefront
Ghost Town
Half Life Alyx
Into The Darkness
Of Lies and Rain
The Midnight Walk
Pistol Whip
Roboquest VR
Salmon Man
SUPERHOT VR
The Talos Principle VR
Until You Fall
VEX MAGE
Vertigo 2

Non-VR, moddable to VR
Antichamber
Cyberpunk 2077
Dark Souls
Doom Eternal
Elden Ring
Half Life 1 & 2
Halo Combat Evolved
Lies of P
Metal Gear Solid Δ
Outer Wilds
Scorn
The Talos Principle 2
Witcher 3
Zelda: Breath of the Wild

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>>736688156
>New vr games

>>736700645
You Xbots are weird. I can understand getting Switch 2, PS5, and Steam Machine because these have or will have exclusives and killer apps that you won't find on other consoles or other storefronts, they also get most, if not, all of the third-party games, if you already have a Windows gaming PC, a Windows PC with the Xbox sticker stuck on it is redundant and a locked down piece of shit compared to the usual Windows. Helix feels like a waste when everything else is just better.

>>736688156
depends on if you play westslop or not

>>736700031
>Uses same tech that PS used for the PSVR2
Sort of. You're thinking of Foveated Rendering, which is used on the games themselves with the help of the information it gets from the HMD's eye tracking. Foveated Streaming is specifically used on the stream from your computer to the Frame. Very similar idea, just implemented in a different way. I'm not aware of any VR game that currently features Foveated Rendering, and that's likely because the only PCVR specific headsets that even have built in eye-tracking are those extremely premium $1.5k+ HMD's. That being said, Valve has said that it is possible for the Frame to take advantage of Foveated Rendering, but it's up to developers themselves to implement it into their games.

>>736700527
>what? its literally a standalone HMD that also streams games which is the same as the quest 3 just more streamlined.
No anon. The Frame is a streaming HMD that is capable of running games standalone. The Quest is a Standalone HMD that is capable of streaming. I understand I sound like an asshole for correcting you like that, but I have to be hyper specific. Comparing specs doesn't give you the full picture.
>none of your other points have anything to do with the cost of the system.
Anon. How in the world is the Frame being a literal computer not going to factor into the cost of the device? Or the fact that tracking and audio are going to be leagues better than the Quest? Or having a significantly more robust controller? I didn't even mention the engineering it took to jam everything in an even smaller form factor than the Quest 3, while making even lighter. Tons of devs have already come out and said that the Frame is easily the most comfortable HMD they've ever worn. Meanwhile, every video/post/guide on the internet basically tells you that you have to get another $300-$500 worth of peripherals to make the Quest 3 a comfortable experience. Again. Specs are not the end all be all.

>>736700937
>Dark Souls
>Lies of P
these sound like nightmare in VR with all the dodging you have to do.

>>736700937
All of those games are nearly 10 years old or older now ):

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>>736701590

>>736701590
You don't know what the word "all" means.
Dumbass.

>>736676352
fuck off back to tartarus
i order you in the name of jesus christ

>>736676352
someone post the delay webm

>>736701229
>How in the world is the Frame being a literal computer not going to factor into the cost of the device?
I think you're confused about what constitutes a computer, do you think the quest is somehow running software without using a central processor, ram, storage and every other component a pc and the frame uses? this is an arbitrary point that again has nothing to do with the cost of the system. The difference there is the OS, which is free to distribute.

They have removed pieces of technology in the frame that are more expensive than buttons on a controller or speakers, on balance the improvements wash out. I get that you like the frame more but that is an irrelevant point when discussing what it costs to build and what they are able to charge

>>736676765
i was going to buy it cuz all shops near me are cia run and they broke all my pcs to force me to buy nvidia ai gpus and forced win 11
gaming is just dead lol

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>>736675687
>Got tired of waiting for "steam machine"
>Upgraded my main rig, moved my 3070 rig to the livingroom
So unless there is some incredible deal on a bundle for the frame, Steam machine and controller I'll probably skip it or wait a bit.
I am kinda interested in the steamframe. I don't do VR but using it wirelessly streaming from the livingroom PC to my massage chair with no lag sounds fucking perfect!

>>736676352
kys, sincerely

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>>736675687
>And all this for the low price of $999
How do you respond?

>>736704858
I guess 1k for the best one with 1tb and the controller isn't that bad.

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>>736676352

>>736684712
then go buy oled one for 2000+
you wont

>>736705907
you dont own your steam games

>>736706257
implying I pay for steam icons