>>736693235
If you can't spell, you don't deserve the answer.

Whatatboutism isn't an argument.

Goomba fallacy

>>736693235
The only advantages console have is *owning* your games and exclusives. Both of these have all but disappeared so consoles are pointless.

>Digital
+ Convenient and don't have to swap cartridges per game
- Can't resell
- Can't loan out
- More expensive
- You don't own the digital file

>Game-key cards
+ Can be resolt
+ Can be loan out
+ Get way cheaper way quicker
+ Get physical artwork
- Take up SSD space
- Have to be swapped out per game
- You don't own the digital file

>>736693487
>+ Can be resold
Really?

>>736693235
same as the VISA/MASTERCARD outrage Indians trying to get you to call credit card companies because their favourite pedo game got delisted
a bunch of people that are going to buy igame key cards anyway are hoping someone else will rise up like their personal army to fix the world

>>736693235
GKC is the worst side of physical and digital

>>736693235
They all seem scared that third party games are on Nintendo now

>>736693235
I can easily crack all my steam games, which is effectively me taking back ownership of my games.

>>736693518
Yeah that's the primary reason /v/ is okay with them.

It's because PC vegans are all dishonest liars. Just ask them.

This shouldnt even be a discussion until they have a game worth buying digital, physical, or physical adjacent

>>736693648
>the worst aspect of digital isn't non-ownership, it's something else, but I won't say
You tried.

>>736693518
>Really?
no shit sherlock
nintendo was crystal clear about this
the license key is in the card and stays with the card so you can loan/gift/sell that shit when you're done with it
most of the GKC outrage is from people who are fucking stupid or worried about their ability to access Nintendo's servers in twenty years for downloads or something, even though by that time they will have already bought the remastered version twice over

>>736693713
>I can't crack Switch 2 games because game key cards
Like I said, all PC vegans are liars.

>>736693487
why is "take up SSD space" a minus for GKCs but not digital? Doesn't sound fair to me when they take up the same space.

I wouldn't say I'm "sperging out" I just don't buy them. I like buying physical games as collector's items, and key cards aren't really worth collecting.
Steam strikes me as an unfortunate reality not something that I think is good overall

Switch 2 has no games.

>>736693235
If you don't understand the difference, then you were never arguing in good faith to start with.

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>It's the worst of both worlds

>>736693235
steamies are subhumans

My thing is that the perfect answer to game key cards exists. The thing that makes game cards on Switch 2 is the fast loading times, so why not just make really cheap flash storage that's super slow, but the player gets to install the game to their Switch 2 like they do with a PS5 disc

>>736693914
False if/then statement

games on steam are cheap as fuck, have mods, can easily be cracked, and valve has a much better refund system. consolefaggots are retards

Didn’t the 3DS shop shut down after only two years of it being discontinued?

This shit is literally a ticking time bomb. Meanwhile PSN still has PSP functionality…. They still make money off of it too, you can purchase games there

>>736693870
You really want that one to stick dont you?

>>736694000
>game key cards are why I can't crack and mod Switch 2 games
You sure about that, PC vegan? Are you guys supposed to be the tech literates of this board? What happened?

Nintendo has reportedly cut back on manufacturing Switch 2 consoles following weaker than expected holiday sales for the console

>>736693235
nintendo has already shut down more than 1 estore of older generations
valve has shut down 0 of their stores so far

>>736694004
For some reason Nintendo was itching to drop 3DS support as soon as they could.

>>736694098
i listed the perks of purchasing a digital game on pc vs a cucksole, you autistic faggot

let's also not forget to back up your saves on the shitch 2, you need to pay for a fucking cloud service lmfao

>>736694009
>stop noticing that I lie all the time in an effort to troll people
No thanks. You're stuck with me.

>>736693819
Locked to Switch hardware and will be obsolete the moment a new cart format is standard. At least with my steam digital games they're cross generational (and I can pirate anything that ends up being compromised or removed). The ONLY time this has worked with Nintendo are some Wii-WiiU titles, then Switch to Switch 2. The past indicates that this will be the last time Switch era tech will be compatible.

>>736694186
>I disingenuouspy moved the goalpost from gkc versus digital to consoles versus PC
I'm aware. After all, you're a balding PC vegan.

>>736693648
Think of it as a digital copy with a thing you can sell/trade to change ownership. Not as good as having the whole game on the disc but it still has merit.

>>736693235
I don't get all the hubbub given like half or more of xbox/PS5 games are already like this.
For clarification purposes I'll say it's really shitty and anti consumer, but I don't get how this is necessarily exclusive to Nintendo when it's just a console thing in general now.
Maybe people expect better from Nintendo than Sony or Microsoft, Idk.

>>736693487
>can be resold
Until the online storefront goes away
>but but but Nintendo would never!
They already have with other consoles, why wouldn't they with Switch when the time comes?

>>736694132
i agree that closing down these stores is fucking bullshit
your comparison though, go be a dissimulating nigger somewhere else

>>736694218
>often times console media isn't cross compatible with future hardware
Ok
>this is because of game key cards
And there's the lie you were dying to tell. Why do PC vegans lie so much?

To me key cards just seem like the worst of all worlds. If I'm going to have to install all the data onto my Switch 2 anyway why should I still have to insert the physical token into the system to play it? I'll just take the option of launching it from the menu then.

I'll buy key cards used or if they're part of a collector's bundle I want, though.

>>736694342
1. 'half' of xbawks and piss5 games aren't like this you lying retard
2. people do complain about the games that are incomplete on disc, there are websites out there that document it

>>736694132
Can you not still download previous purchases?

>>736693331
It's not.

However what it does is demand that the people who are fighting the issue acknowledge that they're being hypocrites and thus undermining themselves.

>>736693235
>why does this one group of people do this thing that hypocritically contradicts what this other group of people do
>and don't say they're two different groups of people!
Is this autism or just mental retardation?

>>736694426
I'm noticing a pattern where you just greentext what the people you're replying to haven't said and acting like it is, which is itself lying, and then calling the post you're replying to a 'liar' what's that about?

>>736693487
>You don't own the digital file
People actually believe they have ownership over software just because it's all in a physical medium despite not having the legal right to copy and redistribute it as they please.

>>736694426
By being digital games tied specifically to physical insert that requires Switch hardware, yes - they are bad for that reason. Even PS fags can play their digitally bought PS21, 2 and 4 games on their PS5. By being tied to a shitty fake cart, these cars keys miss out on the single decent use that digital games had.

So please, tell me how I'm lying. I can still access my steam games from 18 years ago on my account and download them and play them on current hardware.

>>736694296
>consoles versus PC
that's what it was always about you stupid faggot, buying a digital steam game always comes with more perks than something off the shitch2's digital store

>>736693235
Gamekey cards are all the negatives of digital (other than resellability being an option) with all the negatives of physical

It has none of the benefits of either side, literally the worst of both worlds.

>>736693235
>Reminder: DON'T BUY game-key cards
Cool, I'll just buy all my Switch 2 games digitally then.

>>736694385
Steam is older than 3DS and has many more titles they need to keep available for download, but steam is still up and 3DS storefront is not. Anon's comparison is valid. You can whine about how Steam is the only storefront valve uses but that makes it that much less likely that it will be shutting down before Nintendo eventually shutters this current one later down the line when they want people to abandon the console to buy their new product and purchase rereleases of games on older systems that no longer have online storefronts to buy the originals from

>>736694357
>They already have with other consoles
Nope. You're lying.

>>736693235
Key cards are dumb, but I'd get one if it's a game I want and it's on super clearance or something.

>>736694531
No that's the gist of what was said. Feel free to prove me wrong.

>>736694357
>They already have with other consoles, why wouldn't they with Switch when the time comes?
when?

>>736694637
I'm still so confused why Nintendo uses a brand new database and infrastructure for each next store and refuse to migrate old stores to the new store. You could EASILY do a system update that changes the 3DS store to the new Switch store and just host the games there exclusive to the 3DS, but Nintendo still struggles just with getting basic fucking online working so that's probably a herculean task to them

>>736694004
Yes.
Luckily Hshop has every single game freely downloadable from the console itself. Including japanese region varients of every game.

Hack your 3ds.

Because I can copy-paste and play Steam games in any PC, even one that has no steam?

>>736693235
My reasoning for game key cards being bad is that the Switch has such minimal internal storage that you’d be stuck deleting and redownloading things all the time with these.

>>736694601
You're bald.

>>736694874
Prepare to get browbeaten for not owning a 4TB SD card

>>736694585
Gamers are too retarded to understand software copyright tbqhwy

>>736694739
Makes it harder for people to hack and steal games.
If they used the wii shop or 3DS eShop, everyone would be ripping and stealing games. >>736694759

Either way Keycards fucking suck, especially with how bloated games are now sine you get fucked by the hidden cost of needing to buy more SD cards.
You buy physical games to specifically avoid that.

>>736694739
They view every new hardware instance as a justification to purchase a game again. You don't have a liscence for a digital "Super Mario Bros. for the NES" because you bought it on Wii, you have a liscence to "Super Mario Bros. for the NES on Wii".

I think their reasoning is that they don't want the games to devalue. Back in the 2000s in flea markets, these games were considered abandonware and were selling for $5 at flea markets. They want to artificially inflate the price whenever they can.

>>736694621
No the worst part of digital is owning nothing.

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>>736693235
We had higher standards for Nintendo, Steam was long a lost cause. If your cat comes inside your house and shits on the carpet, you yell at it and put it outside. If a fully grown man comes inside and shits on the carpet, you either call the cops or shoot him.

>>736694585
>not having the legal right to copy and redistribute it as they please.
This isn't the type of ownership people actually mean when they say ownership. They mean being able to play the game at any time without anybody's consent, and without ABSOLUTELY needing to download anything from someone else's computer (Nintendo servers). In this regard, you do not own game-key cards the same way you own a regular cartridge.

>>736694919
Even just a 1TB Express card is a small fortune. It reminds me of the PS Vita and the special SD cards you’d need for it.

>>736694482
you can on 3ds at least

>>736693369
>The only advantages console have is *owning* your games
That was never the case. You can't own games on a device that you don't own. You don't own consoles because the manufacturer ultimately retains full control over them, unlike a PC where you can do whatever you want, and thus own your games.

>>736694991
That has nothing to do with physical or digital media and everything to do with the "always online" aspect of most modern games. What they're doing is preventing you from accessing their servers and/or storefronts. This can be done even if you own the physical media, and has happened in the past. In the past, this wasn't possible because online connectivity for video games was either non-existence or pretty niche. But now, most games have some sort of online connectivity involved and THIS is what publishers can nix. All the worse still if the game actively REQUIRES a connection to play.

the only pro anyone touts about card keys being the ability to resell them just makes me think of crpytofags trying to shill crypto games while having no idea why people even play video games at all

>>736693845
>most of the GKC outrage is from people who are fucking stupid or worried about their ability to access Nintendo's servers in twenty years for downloads or something, even though by that time they will have already bought the remastered version twice over
nah most of them are just anti nintenfags shitting on nintendo just because it's nintendo

>>736694585
That's because there is a difference between owning media, and owing the copyrights of the IP. Did you not know this?

>>736693897
Because a regular digital game doesn't need a license key inserted to play it.

>>736693235
Because at the time, it's either Steam or physical game but GFWL

Steam has working reviews, refunds, friends, voice chat, text chat, community hubs, community marketplaces, free online, and in game overlays and guides.
Meanwhile all of the big 3 work feverishly day and night to somehow make my user experience worse than the Xbox 360.

>>736693518
Technically yes but good luck finding a buyer.

>>736693235
there is no real benefit from them replacing a real cartridge with a cardboard
Nintendo is just cheaping out again, like every generation after 3DS

On paper there isn't anything wrong with them but in practice there's gonna be a lot of shitty practices with them down the line that are worse than on disk dlc of the 360 and ps3 era.

>>736694960
You dont own a game key card.

>>736695125
No I own my consoles. This isn't debatable. It's just a fact.

>>736694947
> I think their reasoning is that they don't want the games to devalue
Nintendo was dragged kicking and screaming into putting GCN on NSO because they seriously thought they could sell 25 year old games for half the price of new games.

>>736695187
That's because you don't own digital games.

>>736695183
Do you? The whole "you don't own the game, you own a license" is language that's always existed. You own the physical media but you never owned the code. It's not as if publishers changed the legal language once games went digital. The legalities are still the same. You NEVER owned your games, you just owned the plastic the games came in. The only difference between then and now is that now, publishers can deny access to servers, and this has worse ramifications than they ever did in the pre-2000s.

>>736695224
Its just a stepping stone to axing physical carts completely. They held back and let the other two trip over themselves trying it first with cutting disc drives but they're inevitably following suit with whatever replaces the switch 3

>>736695241
Yeah you do.

>>736695317
But if the digital game is already on my system, it can't be taken away from me, even if I'm banned from the service.

I just got my Switch 2 and I'm not sure if I should get my games physically/key cards or just go full digital. Key cards can be bought for so cheap.

>>736695317
You dont own game key cards either.
You need an internet connection to download the files from nintendos storefront (which can be removed at any time)

Its a digital game that requires a physical cart.
You dont own it if the game isnt on the cart.

>>736695170
People play videogames to play them. There's a huge market of grey area account selling where you essentialy buy access to a shared account with 1 game. These accounts usually get locked up so you are basically renting the game for a random amount of time. This is extremely popular and way worse than buying and selling.

>>736695378
No you dont.
If a game gets delisted from the store your keycard is worthless.

>>736695329
>Do you?
Yes, I do know the difference. I can own a DBZ manga while not being Akira Toriyama. I can own Mario 64 without being Nintendo. How do you not understand this still?

>>736694357
So are you consistent and bitch about the day steam goes down?
Because you can STILL download wii, ds, 3ds, and wiiu titles off the nintendo servers, despite them no longer having storefronts. In fact that is the most reliable way to pirate them, and the entire idea behind the wiiudownloader.

>>736695524
>you're not alive, you could die

>>736693487
you do realize physical performs worse than downloading it to the internal ssd storage right? it loads and stutters more

You have the ability to sell the license on with a GKC.

That makes it far superior to digital for that reason alone.

>>736695530
The manner in which you own a game in a physical format isn't any LEGALLY different from how you own a game in a digital format. It's just that now, if you get banned from from a server, you no longer have a means to re-download the game.

>>736695459
So you agree you don't own digital games. Good to know.

>>736693235
I will buy it if its cheaper than digital.

>>736695747
He already said in the first post of this sub-thread that
>You don't own the digital file
so this is not the win you think it is

>>736695715
>The manner in which you own a game in a physical format isn't any LEGALLY different from how you own a game in a digital format
False. You can't own digital games at all. You have no legal ownership over your media.

Nowadays, there isn't a lot of difference between physical games and digital ones. Physical games are so dependent on online connection, even a fuckton of purely single-player games can lose the bulk of their functionality if you lose connection to the servers. We're too online now.

>>736695826
I'm taking it as a win. I'll gladly throw GKCs under the bus to prove another point. After all, the topic is the hypocricy surrounding different media formats. It's not about defending GKCs against all criticisms.

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I'm confused, do you want to own your games or sell them?

>>736696001
Own them. Being able to sell them is just how I can tell that I own them.

>>736695852
>False
He's right though. You do not legally own a physical game, instead you own a license that grants access to the game. The very same applies to digital games, and as that anon said the real difference is that a digital-only game is at the whim of the servers you download it from (so there is a reasonable concern as a consumer that a digital game may become unavailable in the future), but otherwise the license terms are nigh identical.

imo there's no point buying a cart if i gotta download the whole game anyhow. the whole point of a cart is not having to download the game. With digital I already know I'll need to download the game. I don't see why this isn't a hard concept to understand.

>>736693487
>OP btfo
Holy based

>>736695989
What point did you prove? That gamekeys are less convenient than digital purchases?

>>736696103
Today's console plebs have long since forgotten that games used to just be on the disc, everything needs an hour long install now with constant patch updates regardless of how you bought it. They're literally just worse PCs now with internet that you pay for.

>>736695208
I'll buy them on the cheap. Already got a couple on FB Marketplace.

>>736696001
I want to buy used copies in 15 years and have them work, like how I obtained the majority of my game collection.

>>736696082
>but otherwise the license terms are nigh identical.
on paper. In the real world nobody has tried to challenge the first sale doctrine that says if a physical object is in your posession you are allowed to sell that to another human for any price you want and for the rights and privileges to transfer to them at that time. It's like shrinkwrap EULAs. Nobody is willing to let a case get to court because nobody wants to have them proven illegal. Nobody wants to try and remove 1st sale from physical media because nobody wants to prove that restrictive licenses are not legal.

>>736694585
And in need of a proprietary system to play said phyical game.
Good luck finding a working Switch in 15 years that's not in a landfill because of a dead battery.

Pirate everything that you really want to preserve.
And mke backups.

>>736696082
>You do not legally own a physical game, instead you own a license that grants access to the game. The very same applies to digital games,
100% false. Physical game licenses are transferable, ie you own them, they were sold to you, it is your property, and you can transfer it as you please. Digital game licenses are non transferable. They were never given to you. You don't own the license, you simply have access to the media through someone elses launcher. You can't own digital games, all digital media has non transferable licenses.

>>736696214
>>736695459
>You dont own it if the game isnt on the cart.

>>736695663
This is the most baffling thing, the fact that even the SD Ex loads faster than a cartridge is mental to me, I'll gladly take GKCs than looking at NOW LOADINGUUUU screens for like 20 seconds more.

>>736696261
*better PCs

You can't own PC games, therefore consoles are better.

>>736696341
>>736696450
>Digital game licenses are non transferable.
Not necessarily true, depends on the platform, but I do wish more platforms allowed for this as it's absolutely possible to achieve (and more common in software licensing), but none of the major companies wish to do it due to the cost of upkeep and pressure from publishers.

>>736696626
>Not necessarily true, depends on the platform
I assume you referring to GoG?

>>736696341
That's because it's directly opposed to copyright. The most basest definition of copyright is in the name, "right to copy". Now obviously, this is impossible to enforce, but the other definition is "right to distribute those copies". The problem is that pure software can be copied infinitely, and "first sale doctrine" would technically apply to every single one of those copies. First sale doctrine cannot compete with copyright laws, so because you don't have the right to distribute copies of software, you basically don't have the right to distribute that software period.

Now, if publishers added some sort of kill-switch that made it so a copy of a game auto-deleted itself the moment the license rights were transferred to another, maybe it could work, but this has a ton of legal ramifications that I don't think anyone really wants to deal with. NO ONE wants a publisher to legally have the right to delete a license and files from your computer.

>>736696516
You proved a point that was already stated right from the start?

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Why didn't Nintendo just make "install cards" that worked like PS4 discs or old PC games, where you first have to install the game to the internal storage for faster speed, but the data is still on the card and you don't need an internet connection?

>>736696676
Some consoles had it in the past AFAIK, where you could transfer game licenses between systems even if they didn't have the same account, but it obviously required both systems to be physically connected to each other. But yeah, GoG being DRM-free makes transferring the game trivial.

>>736696757
the point is to lower production costs on carts
bandwidth is cheaper

>>736696554
it's not complex, the internal ssd in the switch 2 is just better hardware than in SD cards or carts. the cart storage is the cheapest form of storage

>>736696757
Why doesn't PC do that?

>>736696823
What you are transferring on GoG isn't licensed at all. If you are transferring digital games it's due to piracy, is illegal, and not anyone's property at that point. May as well have just pirated it instead of purchased it if you're just going to break the law in the end.

>>736697027
I didn't say it was legal, I said it was trivial

>>736697190
Ownership is entirely a legal construct. You can't own illegal contraband.

>>736696892
They used to do that, back before steam was a thing

>>736693235
Two separate groups of people that you are conflating together.

>>736693235
Gabe maintains a fleet of shills even bigger than his fleet of yachts. These shills infest every port we gamers call home.

>>736698887
I honestly think it's Microshills. Those bastards have been shitting up the board since Microsoft announced that Helix shit. They know Nintendo, Sony, Valve, and third parties about to fully push Microsoft out of hardware completely because Nintendo was right about optimization and everyone is following it except Microsoft, so they need to grift and bitch about everything. Glad normalfags are finally getting pushed out with Xbox. Worst thing to happen to console and PC gaming by a long shot.

>>736699118
You might actually be mentally ill

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>>736693487
>More expensive
Only for NintoddIers lmao.

>>736699118
I'm not sure I've ever seen a TrueBlue Snoy but damn Nintendocultists are fucking odd

>>736699770
Wait until you meet a PC vegan. It's like Nintendo fandom, but an actual religion.

>>736693487
>+ Get way cheaper way quicker
Yeah, that's why Pokopia is only $70...

>>736699903
This is precisely what I'm talking about, you guys are straight up weird

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>>736699935
Please undahstandu
EBAGLEEN PLICING!

>>736699406
Spotted the Xbot

>>736699770
I play them all, Xbox is the worst, and I'm glad it's dying and normalfags are getting out to return console and PC gaming to a niche that keeps those faggots out.

>>736700121
>the game I bought and own for $60 7 years ago is worth $60 today
And that's why I buy physical media for consoles.

>>736700479
Spotted the PC vegan.

>>736696261
Those installs on ps3,4 and 5 can be done offline.
The game is on the disc, it just requires faster read speeds from the drive.

>>736700567
I guess I'm a Tendie, Snoy, and Vegan then, but at least I'm not an Xbot.

>>736697027
Pirated games are owned.

gaben is based, nintendo is not

>>736697354
>Ownership is entirely a legal construct
This is just factually incorrect.

>>736700748
I wouldn't be one, but the only other option was Valve and Sony so I gladly hopped on board

>>736700820
No, hes right, you can possess things but ownership is a granted "right". It's why I'm not big on this retarded "well I OWN my games" conversation. I may not "Own" any of my games, but I will be in possession of them longer than console niggers

>>736701047
You've made the wrong choice then.

>>736694000
You can't sell your Steam games once you have finished them

>>736695125
You stupid, dense motherfucker. I own my Xbox 360. Microsoft can't come to my house and take it or deactivate it by force. Can they disable my access to Xbox Live? Sure. But they can't disable the disc reader or the HDD connected to it.

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>>736701280
Wrong

>>736701107
Incorrect.
Ownership is possession that cant be taken away.
In the past one had to defend ones own property, in civilisation this is outsourced to the state, but ownership predates civilisation.
It literally means being able to defend what you have from it being taken away.

>>736701156
I disagree

>>736693235
That doesn’t happen at all. Steam tards are a different breed.

>>736693487
You forgot that internal storage is faster than than normal game cards

>>736701339
Objectivey false because piracy isn't ownership, yet can't be taken away from someone. This isn't debatable btw, you're just wrong about ownership and I'm correcting you.

>>736701332
>says users on reddit
Again, they cannot remotely disable my console, nor come and destroy or disable the discs I have in my possession. Even if some faggy "licence agreement" I scrolled past says I don't own it, if you can't enforce it legally (i.e. come to my house and take/destroy my Xbox), then is it actually real?
Obviously their online services and digital keys are another matter, but the hardware and discs are my property.

>>736701475
Piracy is ownership.

>>736700768
No they aren't.

>>736701507
False.

>>736701492
Sure, it's unlikely they'd ever do that, but you don't traditionally own your games. Now if you wanna say you "Defacto" own your games due to said unlikelyhood, I could also invoke the same unlikelyhood in Gabe manually disabling my steam account or downloading cracks to all my games in the event of, either way that isnt conventional ownership like a chair or a lunchbox

>>736693235
Because there's no point of buying a GKC if you're just going to download it anyway

>>736701632
You stupid nigger you own nothing because at any time in the future i might come in and ransack your entire home and then burn the property down. That’s how stupid you subhuman steam tards sound.

>>736701581
>>736701626

I'm going to make a point using the slave trade.
Africa had ownership of literal people without the state having to give them the right to do so.
Ownership is a precivilisational concept.

>>736701654
Sure there is. A GKC is a better investment than a digital download only.

>>736701730
Look bud, I'm not trying to be some fag hiding behind the letter of the law as justification for having my games. It's the insecure consolefags who think they "Own their games" that have the axe to grind.

>>736701752
>things were different when things were different
Ok but today piracy isn't ownership. This isn't the 1600s.

>>736693235
i'd rather pay you 50 bucks for a cart with your game on it than get it for a fiver on Steam.

>>736693235
Completely different things, tourist
On Steam they never hide the fact that you're renting a digital license for a software, they make it explicitly clear, if you're there, you're there to rent digital licenses and that's what you get
GKCs on the other hand are scummy and misleading, they're made to trick you into buying something that's physical but it's not really, there's a reason they only tell you that in extremely small letters that can only be read with a magnifier, they're an afront against physical media collections and against media preservation

>>736701868
Piracy is ownership
You can seethe about it but its true.

>>736701863
>stop discussing ownership as a legal construct that exists in the society we live in. Instead make up definitions and play make believe.
No thanks. I'm smarter than that.

>>736693235
Nintendo has track record of removing support for their online store fronts. Also their online infrastructure is significantly worse than its competitors. It is not an irrational fear to think there is a no zero possibility in the future the game I paid for is going to inaccessible. Do I think there is a tangible risk they will fall into insolvency in the future, No. They have enough cash on hand they can have 10 consecutive years of negative income and still be solvent as company.

It is about trust and confidence in their online infrastructure. They have not earn it yet.

>>736702048
False.

>>736702092
>Nintendo has track record of removing support for their online store fronts
No they don't. Every game ever bought through their estores can be redownloaded.

>>736702052
>im smarter than that
Clearly you aren't if you think you own your 360 games in any true legal sense

>>736701654
You have to download 100 thousand update patches and any dlc you want with "physical" too. The day download servers die I'm either relying on old downloads or pirating, regardless of whether or not I bought physical or gkc.

>>736702305
>pirating on switch 2
Bad news bubba

>>736702223
Ok, let's see you put your money where your mouth is then, come on, uninstall all your 3ds digital games right now and then download and install all of them, go on, show us

>>736702223
Can I still buy games on the wii eshop? NO because support has been removed. If I lost account access to my old account and decided I want to build a new digital wii library. Can I? NO. This talking point holds no water.

>>736702351
We're talking at least 20+ years in the future. I'm not that worried about it

>>736701778
No it's not, it's basically the worst of both worlds. You don't get the actual ownership of real physical games since you still depend on some company's servers to exist and to grant you permission to access your purchase, you still have to take up space on your console to store the game unlike with a real physical cartridge and at the same time you also do not get the sheer convenience of a downloadable game (like you still need to swap GKCs as if they're actual games even though it's just a download, and if you go somewhere with your portable console you need to carry the fuckers with you to be able to play the games).

It's complete shit, it's like they took all the disadvantages of physical games and all the disadvantages of downloads and slapped them into one product. The only advatage over a download is what, that you can sell the GKC later, if you're the kind of guy who sells his games after beating them? Personally I don't care about that whatsoever.

>>736702449
Yeah, but that doesnt affect keycards in the slightest. Nintendo only has a track record of taking down storefronts, not download servers. Those are not the same and you're a faggot for equating them in a conversation about gkcs.

>>736702430
Nope. You made the argument, now back it up. Uninstall your 3DS games and prove you can't re-download them like you said.
>>736702449
>I don't like GKCs because in 15 years I might now be able to buy one.
You're pretending to be mad about something because you have Nintendo Derrangement Syndrome.

>>736700498
nintendo games really keep their value. kinda insane

>>736702638
>You don't get the actual ownership of real physical games
>Personally I don't care about that whatsoever.
Just straight up lying to my face and hoping I waste time dissecting it.

The worst part of digital is non ownership. It's not the worst of both worlds.

>>736702985
You dont own a game key card

>>736693235
steam let me change my email i got locked out of
nintendo still has me locked out
i dunno tho i had to download a fan patch to run steam on win 8
so if they shut that down ill probably crack all my steam games and not buy from them anymore
tho i could just use winesap linux lol

>>736703116
What did they ask to confirm its actually you?

>>736703105
Yeah I do. It's my legal property and I can sell it on the open market.

>>736703105
Yes I do retard
I can do whatever I want with it
I can sell it
I have more ownership over it than anyone else in existence

>>736703282
No you dont, the game could be delisted or your individual download code on the keycard could be deactivated.
If the games not on the physical cart you simply dont own it.

>>736702651
>>736702751
I did specifically mention the storefront. not the CDN. I know the difference, but if the average consumer doesn't. They are justifiably afraid that CDN will be insolvent because the the storefront went down. If you want people to trust them you need to earn their trust. A company as malicious as Nintendo is has very steep climb to earning our trust. Especially with their online infrastructure.

>>736703414
>you're not alive because you could die

>>736693235
It made sense when you would lose access to your digital library if you sold the console, but there's accounts now and it's all streamlined.

>>736701475
Sure it can. If they catch you, they can not only take it away, but also punish you with imprisonment or fines. The only issue is IF you get caught.

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>>736693235
I don't like them. I don't want to buy them. I got Pokopia digitally. Its becoming harder and harder to be a physical collector. This might be the gen I finally give it up on console physical games.

>>736703525
>Ok so I was wrong, who cares. I will shift gears to concern trolling instead

>>736702985
>Just straight up lying to my face
Are you a subhuman retard, do you not understand how GKCs work? There is no lie, in order for the GKC video game you claim to """own""" to be of any use at all you need Nintendo's servers to work and to permit you access so that you can download the actual game. You have no control whatsoever over the servers or your access to them and the piece of plastic you get in the box does NOT contain a video game.

>>736703367
Over the physical plastic, but not over the associated video game. If you want to buy GKCs because you really love the shape and color of the plastic, by all means, but do not delude yourself into believing you are purchasing a video game which you own. You have no guarantee of access to the video game associated because it depends on infrastructure completely outside of your control.

This is unlike a real game cartridge, which does contain a video game you can own.

>>736695125
I own my consoles and I own the games on them. A cop didn't show up saying that the transaction was illegal when I decided to sell a few of them online or lend it to a friend, because those games are mine.

>>736703617
Not the same thing.
Games have been delisted before.
And having the game essentially be a code enables the possibility of remote deactivation of specific codes.

For example if someone stole a bunch of gamekey cards from the back of a delivery truck do you think nintendo wouldnt deactivate the codes from that batch?

>>736703743
Every single one of those concerns exists for the full digital version of that same game or any digital eshop for any platform but you never once bring them up. You ONLY bring them up for keycards.

Why?

>>736703910
>>736703947

>>736703947
Yes.
You dont own digital games.
You dont own game key cards either.

>>736704003
That doesn't answer my question

>>736704003
And you also don't own physical games either when the majority need patches. Welp, case closed.

>you'll be able to resell game cards
Eh, Nintendo also said they would never do dlc and not nickle and dime customers, and now smash bros has like 800 dollars of dlc

>>736702305
>You have to download 100 thousand update patches and any dlc you want with "physical" too.
Exactly, that's why I buy physical so I don't have to download the whole damn game on top of that

People who say I don't own my N64 are retarded
People who say I only any modern release are retarded

>>736693235
>Two SE games I want on Switch 2 are GKCs
Why the fuck does SE always bloat their games?

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>>736693487
>you don't own the digital file
If it's on my computer, I own it. Simple as. Take your copyright cuckery and go back to jerking off corporations.

>>736694004
the shop (payment processing) did, the download servers didn't, guess which of the two key cards use?

>>736694482
yes, to date nintendo has yet to shutdown download servers for any system, other than the Broadcast Satellaview i guess.

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>>736693235
You don't own anything in this world, not even your soul.
When you die, you don't get to choose where it goes. It's automatically sent to oblivion, without your consent. The same way you were wrought into this world, without your consent.
What the FUCK makes you think you get any say on whether or not you ACTUALLY own your vidya?

>>736694739
>You could EASILY do a system update that changes the 3DS store to the new Switch store
no, the way accounts were handled in the Wii, 3DS, and Wii U eras were all batshit retarded, it required a clean restart on their account servers to finally unfuck things with the switch. up through the Wii U they used client side verification for ownership, which is hilariously retarded.

>>736693235
If you had a brain with high IQ then you should know you absolute retard.

Game Key Cards are a scam. They work now, but when Nintendo shuts their Switch servers then you will not be able to download it again because they are not tied to an account. There is a fine print on the boxes where it says Nintendo will shut down the servers in the future for it.

And the other bad thing about these is cards is that you must have an Nintendo account do be able to download it, and you cannot have a banned Switch 2.

>>736705535
>If it's on my computer, I own it. Simple as
Nope. You don't own it. Simple as.

>>736705973
>>736703947

>>736705535
You don't own your computer. The government can come seize your assets at any given time if they think there's a reason to do so.

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>>736706004
>b-but the goberment said

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>>736706265
Correct. But the government said.

i might not be a BIG CITY game developer, but it seems to me game cards are just the cd-rom discs of the current generation
>you "bought the game" by owning the cdrom/game-key card, but all that's on the optical media is an installer and you have to download all the game files from the company server
>technically you can resell the cdrom/game-key card, but fucking Gamestop will only give you bout two-fiddy dollars for it (they sell it Used for New Price - $5)
thats it. it's just modern game CD and as useless (for the purpose of actually having all the game files on the damn "installation disk")

>>736693518
game key card is only the permission code to make the game run, so yes you can sell the card after using but then you will have a full downloaded title on you console that can't boot up

>>736696001
what's wrong of wanting full ownership of something and later put for trade or selling?

>>736706852
What's the point of """ownership""" if all you can do is sell it afterward? Where's the mods? Where's the romhacks? Where's the ability to back the game up and play it on unapproved hardware? Ownership being tied to the resellability of the product is a contradiction, because selling it means you don't own it anymore, ergo if you want to keep it, then selling it is not a selling point.

>>736707047
You dodged the question in expected disingenuous fashion.

>>736693235
>then go on to praise their digital Steam libraries?
But I shit on digital library steamcucks all the time? It's the biggest reason I only ever BUY console games (I still prefer PC because of piracy) and now that I'm losing the main reason I still own consoles ofc I'm sperging out

>>736707219
If all you care about in a game is the ability to sell it, then you hate the game.

>>736707047
>Where's the romhacks? Where's the ability to back the game up and play it on unapproved hardware?
Still alive and well on my computer for free. You're creating a false dichotomy where none exists. Anyone can have all that plus ownership of the games they purchase.

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>>736707315
>if all a bakery cares about is selling baked goods then they hate baked goods

>>736707352
>still alive and well
Where's the modding and romhacking scene for the Switch 2? Since you buy the games, Nintendo gives you that as a complimentary thing, right? They surely don't lock you down and restrict you, right? Do you have a source for the official nintendo rom dumper, where they legally let you rip the games from your physically owned copy?

>>736707468
You'll have to rephrase those questions into a statement. I'm not spoonfeeding you answers you can easily look up yourself online.

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>>736707401
>food analogy

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>>736707864
Nah works with any sale of anything

>>736707603
Okay. After looking up the answers, it looks like the Switch 2, like all consoles, is disgustingly locked down.no freedom whatsoever. You don't even get to choose what revision of the game you get to play on NSO. No red blood or islamic chanting in OOT. Alot of the games are just their censored international versions. The retail releases, even the physical ones, are locked down incredibly tight. Even with older consoles, there isn't a single officially supported hacking scene.

Your idea of ownership is very skewed. I gladly sacrifice my ability to resell my games, if I can keep them forever, modify them, and make sure they're not restricted by the artist's vision. You just can't do that with locked down physical games.

>>736708025
>Okay. After looking up the answers, it looks like the Switch 2, like all consoles, is disgustingly locked down.no freedom whatsoever. You don't even get to choose what revision of the game you get to play on NSO. No red blood or islamic chanting in OOT. Alot of the games are just their censored international versions. The retail releases, even the physical ones, are locked down incredibly tight. Even with older consoles, there isn't a single officially supported hacking scene
I know. I know everything about all platforms and media formats.
>Your idea of ownership is very skewed.
It's the textbook definition.
>I gladly sacrifice my ability to resell my games, if I can keep them forever, modify them, and make sure they're not restricted by the artist's vision.
We know. You sarcificed ownership. But you didn't gain anything. You just lost ownership.
>You just can't do that with locked down physical games.
I know.

>>736694357
You can still download Wii games you bought 20 years ago.

>>736708267
>We know. You sarcificed ownership. But you didn't gain anything. You just lost ownership.
I'm still playing my games. And they can't be taken away from me. What else do I need? I'm not a poorfag, so I don't need to sell my games to recoup any losses.

>>736708289
yes but you haven't been able to buy a new wii since like 2013
i can buy a new pc today, download steam and install half life 2 that i bought over 20 years ago and play it

>>736708394
very good goy
I love when goycattle defend their oppressors, I wish this was more common honestly (it's good for my wallet)

>>736708394
>I own nothing and I am happy
Indeed.

>>736693235
>two conflicting views exist among anonymous people on the internet
>omg, this is hypocrisy!!
Nah it's probably just different people.
I hope this helps.

>>736708618
>>736708567
>I "own" games
>but i get thrown in jail if i modify them

Hooray for physical games?

>>736708731
>i get thrown in jail if i modify them
That sucks. I don't.

>>736708802
Try telling that to Nintendo's EULA, which forbids any modifications of their games and consoles.

>>736693235
They're a bad deal and also the only way I could get Disgaea 7 "complete" for 35 bucks

>>736708876
oh, no. not the heckin eula

does anyone have that webm of the japanese dude breaking an r4 card btw?

>>736693235
They're basically NFTs, look how well that went down with people. It's just fake commodisation

>>736708876
No thanks. I'll keep pirating and modding without telling them. Maybe that's your problem is that you're telling them?

>>736693518
They are literal keys, the key exists in the cart and isn't tied to your console or account. If you get bored adn you don't have collection autism, nothing really stops you from reselling
They will only become an issue IF next gen Nintendo hosts the Eshop in a different way and they kill the switch 2's one

>>736693235
Key karts are literally the worst aspects of both physical and digital in one package.
On the physical front they take up space, you have to swap the karts each time, for a semi-portable system it hurts ease of transportation.
On the digital front it's got the lack of permanence, not really owning it, and inevitable obsolescence.

The only positive trait it carries over from either is the ability to resale and trade, but the resale on them has been pretty abysmal too. It's un-ironically better to just get the digital download from the eshop than fuck with the gkc.

>>736709017
>>736708958
You sure were quick to defer to legal definitions and the law earlier. >>736695852

Now you don't care about the law when it's convenient. Actually kinda based, but you bootlick depending on the context of the argument, so only half so.

>>736709137
Yup I'm aware of laws and restrictions, defend their existence, and I'm free to break them if I want. This isn't hypocrisy.

>>736693235
There's no expectation that Steam is selling you a physical game. Nintendo is selling keycards in boxes made to look like they hold discs.

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>>736709545
>I defend the existence of laws, but break them whenever I want

>>736704410
Ok, but that doesnt make physical suddenly significantly better from a preservation standpoint.

>>736694157
My guess is that since the Switch is technically their current handheld in addition to console, they were worried about the 3DS "competing" with it. And part of that is to make purchasing a 3DS as unattractive as possible by doing things like removing its ability to download anything.

>>736693235
It’s essentially the same thing as old PC game copy protection
Kind of sucks

>>736694157
>for some reason
Most likely due to HShop

>>736705535
>me when I make a.i pornography of this guys 5 year old daughter

>>736709137
are you talking to me?

>>736693235
their?
who's?

>>736709804
Correct.

>>736693235
Digital is vastly superior than game key cards. Both digital and physical have their pluses and minuses. Game key cards on the other hand are only the minus' of digital and physical, none of the pluses. You get none of the convenience of having every game on a single huge micro SD like if you had boughten them digitally. Nor do you get the pleasure of physically collecting the thing like you get with physical games. You need the cart to play the game yet the cart has no data on it all the data is on your SD card anyways with GKC. The worst of both worlds.

>>736710572
B-BUT YOU DON'T OWN DIGITAL?! I NEED TO BE ABLE TO RESELL IT TO GAMESTOP FOR 5 BUCKS 20 YEARS DOWN THE LINE!

>>736710572
I think it's better than a standard digital download.

>>736710685
If that's how you feel, then buy the key card version. Simple as.

>>736710386
We still do cd keys. Its just hidden. Its why digital games can "sell out". You generate batches of keys. Otherwise the IRS and insurance goes "well how much stock of this 60 dollar product do you have" and you say "theoretically infinity" and they say "well you owe infinity taxes and your insurance bill is now infinity".

>>736694503
Hypocrisy would be telling people to not buy the GKC format only to buy the GKC format

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>>736710685
>RESELL IT TO GAMESTOP FOR 5 BUCKS 20 YEARS DOWN THE LINE!
Yes

>>736710694
I respect your opinion even though it differs from my own

>>736710685
Yea you can resell it at least. I guess that's the one bright side of GKC. But honestly I don't think theirs a single game I've ever not regretted selling. So to me personally it's not a huge plus.

>>736693235
i give not one iota of shit about game key cards and my steam account is LITERALLY old enough to drink, only snoyggers like you are the ones who seethe about game key cards and the only reason they do it is because it's nintendo, get a brain you stupid fucking blathering niggerbrained nigger

>>736709063
>>736710572
>Game key cards on the other hand are only the minus' of digital and physical, none of the pluses. The worst of both worlds.
>Key karts are literally the worst aspects of both physical and digital in one package.
What compels this autistic behavior of parroting the same shit word for word without a single critical thought?
We had a full decade of PS4 and PS5 physicals where the discs have to install the entire game data into the internal storage and nobody went batshit insane over this.
Then again, physicalfags and collectorfags are proven to be mentally ill for a while.

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>>736711147
also just checked the archives, what the fuck

>>736711221
One guy too

>>736711147
My last console before getting a switch was the Xbox 360 so I don't know anything about how ps4/5 games work. And you probably hear the same criticisms alot of the format because it's fundamental flaws are obvious and easy to point out.

>>736711147
>We had a full decade of PS4 and PS5 physicals where the discs have to install the entire game data into the internal storage and nobody went batshit insane over this.
We've spent decades hating on sony for this exact reason. Did you forget the outrage over the proprietary disc drive that needs an online connection to work?

>>736693235
Because I own my computer
You don't own your console, you signed your administrator rights to the hardware away when you bought it and violating the restrictions gives Nintendo every right to brick it

Jesus christ I can't believe people are still whining about this shit. This has been a regular thing since the PS4 era where the full game was hardly ever on the disc. Some people complained then but not on the level of game key card babies. It was even worse on Switch 1 where tons of games were just slapped onto the smallest sized carts available and required downloads for the rest of the game or were even just codes in a box and there still wasn't this much outcry. Now Nintendo gives you a decent middle ground solution, you get your stupid little box and cartridge you can put on your faggot collector shelf and since its not a download code you can resell it or lend it to a friend.

I don't think you retards realize what the alternative to the game key cards would be. It would be back to download codes in a box and games having mandatory downloads which is basically the same exact thing. Blame Nintendo for continuing to stick with an expensive to manufacture data format if anything, but you can't get mad at publishers for not wanting to pay $20 a unit to get the entire game on cartridge. If you still for whatever reason hate it this much then holy shit just buy the game digitally and stop fucking crying about it.

>>736711493
All consoles are like this. Remember sony suing Geohotz over the Ps3 jailbreak?

>>736694004
>>736694157
In the late stages of the 3DS' life, someone with hacked firmware could pirate their games DIRECTLY from Nintendo's servers and I'm pretty sure Nintendo had no answer to stop it.

>>736711565
I know, I'm just explaining why they're treated differently
Consoles are innately DRM hell and that's why them going digital is bad
PC is basically a fully and perfectly jailbroken console out of the box day one if you were to compare the two

It's only bad when Nintendo does it.

>>736694357

The storefront has nothing to do with the download servers you moron, you'll be able to download key card games twenty years from now the same way you can still download your Wii or 3DS games.

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>>736711548
It really was far worse on the original switch. The most extreme example I remember buying a used copy of the Final Fantasy X HD collection and not only did the cartridge require a download just to play FFX for some reason X-2 was a separate download code that they included in the box so I couldn't even play it without paying full price for a new physical or digital copy.

>>736695524
No, just like most other digital storefronts you'll still be able to download it. Except for Steam and PSN who have, on multiple occasions, completely removed software from peoples' accounts.

>>736712119
>No, just like most other digital storefronts you'll still be able to download it. Except for Steam and PSN who have, on multiple occasions, completely removed software from peoples' accounts.
Source on that for steam? I know sony has removed movies from people's PSN accounts, which is a joke that basically writes itself, but never recall steam doing that.

>>736711548
Just because it's been around for a while doesn't make it ok, you double nigger

>>736693235
Shitch poo not worth buying! My superpower computer and it run all games

>>736711548
If less than 50% of physical releases were gkc, then people wouldn't be bothered as much but 95% of physical releases have been gkc. The problem is they're not the alternative to code in a box, they're the alternative to physical games in a box.

>>736711221
welcome to snoyggers, they're ALL mentally ill NDS retards

>>736712314
For disc games it's absolutely unacceptable since the manufacturing cost of discs is pennies, but it's more justified on Switch because the cartridges are expensive. It costs $16-$30 per unit for physical switch games depending on the needed capacity. This is a cost that publishers don't need to pay on any other platform because they're disc based or even strictly digital. Then factor in the standard 30% cut Nintendo takes ontop of those costs and yeah why would any publisher in their right mind want to pay to get the entire game on the cartridge? Just to make coomlectors happy? Like I said in my other post be mad at Nintendo for not figuring out a cheaper media format or just axing physical all together.

>>736712602
so when exactly do you start seething about digital only ps5s at all? let alone with anywhere near the fervor you do about based key cards
you seething about them just makes me like them more everytime you do it, specifically because they make your retarded snoygger ass seethe, go the fuck back to resetgender

>>736712602
If the key cards didn't exist you would be getting codes in boxes or nothing at all you retard. The real problem is the cartridges being expensive and publishers rightfully not wanting to eat $15-$30 per unit just so you're not mildly inconvenienced with a download.

>>736712613
>>736712774
>>736712781
Can you at least play the game without needing the GKC inserted?

>>736712853
no one gives a shit

>>736712853
No but you wouldn't be able to play a physical game without one either. Same goes for physical games that require a download because the entire thing isn't on the cartridge which was pretty common on Switch 1. Playstation and Xbox its the same thing, even though the entire game installs to the hard drive you can't play it without the disc inserted. This has been completely normal for a decade and yet for some reason it's only now a problem because Nintendo decided to be a little more transparent about what you're getting.

Performative kvetching. You're a decade too late to cry about gkc.
Every PS4 and PS5 game is a game key disc.
Every PS4/5 game needs to be installed on the SSD.
The only real difference is that the switch has to download them, and some of the PS games are installed from the disc(and then need a huge day one patch anyway)

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>>736712912
>>736712968
>>736712987
>be playing PC game (back when they were physical)
>install the game
>remove disk
>use no CD crack
>can now play the game without the disk

And this was too much for Nintendo to emulate?

>>736713070
not an argument, don't give a shit, seethe harder

>>736693487
>Can't resell
So?
>Can't loan out
You can pirate.
>More expensive
Incorrect. Digital games are far more cheaper unless you're a consolefag.
>You don't own the digital file
You can crack Steam DRM with a single click of a program like goldbergs steam emulator

I truly don't understand why people care so much about game key cards. I think they're just looking for things to whine about. And every game now has post-launch updates and patches, so no physical copy of a game ever actually contains the full game.

>>736693235
memory cards for Switch 2 cost bazookoo dollary doos, and third parties shouldn't be cheaping out here nickle and diming consumers

>>736712093
The Asian English version of the ffx collection has both games on cartridge by the way FYI. You can find it on playasia easily. Japan and Asia got a lot of neat releases physical that the west doesn't get and they usually include English in the releases these days to make more money from importers. Stalker got a really great switch port last year but it's Japan only, for instance. Theirs also the Atelier bundles where you get three games in one complete on cart which is nice, which we never got in the west.

Physical is great on switch 1 as long as your cool with importing and buying from websites like limited run. The west's physical output is lackluster.

>>736693235
/v/ is sadly full of amerifats who are conditioned to support mutt corporations like Valve religiously. They'll jump through hoops to defend their lord and saviour Gaben and his megayacht.

>>736713528
I just want to play the game Im not going to do research on what games and what versions have the full thing on the cart and then jump through hoops and import games and pay out the ass just so its on a fucking cartridge. Digital is better stop being a faggot.

>>736713735
It doesn't take much time or brain power to be an informed consumer.

>>736713629
For me, I only defend Valve, Nintendo, and Japanese Sony. Western Sony and Microsoft, I shit on hard.

>>736712705
>why would any publisher in their right mind want to pay to get the entire game on the cartridge?
they could gauge the market and do a limited edition physical copy that sells for like $150

>>736714084
If you like paying extra for imported or limited edition games just so that it comes on a cartridge and then waiting for them to ship just all so you can just play the game(but you probably won't you sound more like a loser who just puts them on a shelf) be my guest. I will just buy the game digitally and play it immediately or pick something up on sale that I missed and enjoy it on the cheap.

>>736695208
not an issue at all. nobody gives a fuck and just treats it like any regular game cartridge.

t. frequently sells games used

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Has anyone actually cared about physical media for the past few gens? Most games made now are only intended for a single playthrough
I still have my old consoles from NES to PS2 and their games rotting somewhere in my house. By the PS2, they were putting less effort into the disc presentation, a lot of my treasured games are in the shitty platinum covers.

Be honest, you don't even know where your switch 1 is and most of the game cards you've probably lost or will never play again

>>736714246
Right because I'm going to pay $150 for the singular reason of having a game on cartridge. You people are genuinely out of your mind, I hope all physical games die and shit like game key card proliferate out of spite.

>>736714361
>Has anyone actually cared about physical media for the past few gens?
nope, and snoyggers only pretend to as a pathetic attempt to seethe at nintendo for doing something that's objectively better innevery way than what snoy does, based on non-arguments of their own retarded NDS-fueled rhetoric

>>736714084
apparently it does since you've failed miserably at that for tue past 20 years, fuck off, retard

>>736714519
>>736714361
I support digital and don't really care about physical dying, but GKC is just as bad because it's just as restrictive.

>>736714519
I'm just not willing to pay for digital games.
I buy games I want to own on console, but everything I play on pc is pirated.

>>736714813
good for you, nobody else fucking cares though, so continue seething impotently at clouds until you die of a hernia you fat fucking faggot assed nigger retard

>>736701626
Not an argument.

>>736694341
>Think of it as a digital copy with a thing you can sell/trade to change ownership. Not as good as having the whole game on the disc but it still has merit.
It's a bullshit concession that will continue the trend toward non-physical in the future. Agreeing to this is helping that agenda along.

Only Zoomers would be so cucked and defeated that they'd defend this.

>>736715309
TOTAL RESALETROON DEATH

>>736712987
>Performative kvetching.
At least you're fully embracing your shabbos goy role by officially using the lingo.

>>736713197
go dilate tranny

>>736714595
>I support digital and don't really care about physical dying
The zoomer longs for the panopticon. They crave the tight swaddling of manchild servitude.

>>736693235
>Digital on PC: I have the files and can copy or modify them, I have administrative control over my PC, I can bypass DRM, I can play any time I want
>Digital on consoles: I have the files but can't do anything with them, I have no administrative control over my console (can potentially even be bricked by the console company if I do something they don't like), the console is DRM and trying to bypass DRM will brick the console, I potentially can't play any time I want
Simple as.

>>736713070
Lost the argument when you mentioned the crack. Which is piracy/modding

>>736693487
>- Have to be swapped out per game
This is what makes them so objectively shit and inferior
Imagine if I had to reinput a steam key every time I wanted to boot a different game

>>736695171
>>736693845
its still fucking stupid, no reason to not have Bravely default on the catdrige for example

>>736707047
What the fuck is this "logic", retard

>>736715707
>>736715583
>>736715575
see>>736715578

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>muh digital convenience
Yeah, okay pal.

Every digital system will be locked and permissioned in the future at the OS level, even Linux.

They're already getting this plan in motion, if you've been paying attention.

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Why do companies refuse to acknowledge The analog hole law or that digital goods, which can be copied infinitely, cannot be enforced by copyright law completely like physical goods?

>>736693487
>get way cheaper
Its Nintendo games they don't get cheaper