only fat trannies with no friends prefer Doom

>>736702235
Because it came out like 8 and 5 years after the original DOOM and Quake retard

>>736702235
People loved Halo, /v/ is just full of professional LARPers

>>736702235
It's on par with Quake. Doom doesn't hold up imo

>>736702235
Quake and unreal were the original schoovement games
Halo wasn't just trying to be a fps specifically, it had more interesting things to do

>>736703072
Doom is for actual trannies though? The WAD community is full of them and other degenerate poorfags who cant afford modern hardware to play anything else

Halo had good lore up to maybe Halo 3, the books are kino

>>736702235
Every level that wasn't Halo or Silent Cartographer was more copypaste than not, and thats before they start making you play entire chapters in reverse

>>736702235
Halo is just console garbage.
Kiddies just ate it up because they never played real shooters and xbox was their first console.
I enjoyed Golden Eye as a party game but pretending you can play real FPS in consoles means you have never played a real FPS.

>>736702235
vehicle sections break up the pace a bit and I do quite like playing these games in co-op but all 3 (Doom, Quake and Halo) are good to amazing so this feels like splitting hairs for no reason.

>>736702235
I've been playing halo1 for the first time and the way enemies react to you and how they change their tactics every time you die and reload... we must have lost this ancient technology. Every modern shooter just has enemies beeline towards you.

>>736704819
Every modern shooter doesn't make sense because FPS games don't get campaigns at all anymore.

>>736704656
>real shooters
Like what?

>>736704656
>Halo is just console garbage
You are aware that Halo was originally developed for PC before Microjeet bought it? And Halo 1 and 2 are still available for PC and once had a massive multiplayer before GameSpy shutdown.
>>736704873
There once was an age were Singleplayer were the main dish for FPS and Multiplayer was just an extra. Now it's the opposite.

>>736704656
the fuck is a "Real shooter"?

>>736702235
>more fun than doom and quake
No
>better levels
Fuck no
>better enemies
No
>better story
Sure but it's totally irrelevant.
>more strategic gameplay
The game literally downplays the need for long term resource management. That is the opposite of strategic gameplay.

>>736702235
Yea I'll agree.
Quake 1 is really cool, but it doesn't have Halo's variety or balance, and the final boss sucks.

>>736702235
>It's just more fun than glorified tech demos
That's not a high bar.

>>736702235
>shoot the small enemies in the head with a pistol
>shoot the big enemies in the body with a plasma EMP and then in the head with a pistol
wow how strategic

>>736705651
You forgot
>Shoot the dudes with handheld shields in the hand, then the head
>Shoot the popcorn with a machine gun
>Don't shoot the beanbags too close to yourself
>Shoot the zombies with a shotgun
>Shoot the tanks, hovercraft, and little airplanes with a rocket launcher
>Improvise if you run out of ammo
>Drive the car for fun

>>736702235
Aside from Halo being a lot newer than the others... It's a fucking boring game compared. Remember the flood grind? Damn I wanted to throw the Xbox.

>>736705651
>>736705893
You can reduce anything like this. Posts like these are nothing more than expressions of your own contempt.

Halo CE changed a lot, hence its popularity. Off the top: 2 weapon limit forced you to think, vehicles to get you around and mow down enemies, different dynamics between human and alien weaponry, all of which you got to play with. Genuinely, to the people accusing of copy/paste: why didn't the games Halo 'copied' from get big like it did? Why is its homage not allowed?

>>736705972
Keep your chaos factor in check

>>736705651
>>736705893
as opposed to
>shoot enemy in face
which is 90% of doom?

>>736702235
Faaaaar too much time is spent on the Flood.

>>736705972
>>736706307
anons, as the longer list writer, I was meaning to illustrate how much variety Halo actually has. I'm a Halo fan.

>>736706231
>2 weapon limit forced you to think
No it didn't, it just encouraged you to stick to whatever is the most effective in all situations. Which is why 99% of every Halo game is plasma pistol + headshot weapon

Flood levels make me hate Halo. I always roll my eyes and sigh heavily whenever a Flood mission pops up.

>>736707840
that's a product of poor balance, not a carry limit
the carry limit is based and one of the best things halo did

>>736708196
No, it's a product of the carry limit. Even with perfectly balanced weapons, you will gravitate toward what is useful in the highest number of situations. Why give up half of my inventory for a weapon that is only useful 10% of the time when I can carry one that is useful 80% of the time? Even if the former is better in the situations it excels in.

>>736702235
or you could just play them all and have fun

>>736708316
>Even with perfectly balanced weapons, you will gravitate toward what is useful in the highest number of situations.
how exactly do you think improving the balance could not address this

>>736708401
The only way you could get around it is by making every weapon function identically in every situation. Halo 1 is the most balanced Halo singleplayer, and even then you're using one of the two pistols constantly.

I'd fucking KILL for a modern OG formula Quake.

>>736708483
retard with a poverty of imagination

>>736708568
Says the faggot who can't support his own points.
You know you're wrong, but you won't admit it.

>>736702235
I'm 37, never owned an Xbox console and I agree.

>>736708606
tighter ammo limits on the pistol
there, no other parameters need to be changed and now you're forced to use something else

>>736708658
That has nothing to do with the weapon limit.

>>736702235
you can tell it was a console exclusive fps from its year of release because its pc contemporaries were better

>>736708736
lol

>>736705238
>No
It is though.
>Fuck no
I'll concede this. Halo has a lot of repeated structures.
>No
They are. In this one point, you're just objectively wrong.
>Sure but it's totally irrelevant.
Your concession has been accepted.
>The game literally downplays the need for long term resource management. That is the opposite of strategic gameplay.
The fact you think "strategic gameplay = resource management" speaks volumes about (You).

>>736708820
Limiting ammo would encourage you to switch away when carrying every weapon at once. It is nothing exclusive to only being able to hold 2 weapons.
You'd still use the pistol every chance you get, because it's too valuable to abandon.

>>736704649
you know you're talking to someone who is genuinely retarded when they start defending The Library

>>736708943
We get it, you're bad.

>>736708983
>level is so repetitive and copy-pasted that even the chapter names make fun of it

>>736708932
>run out of pistol ammo
>have to replace it with something else
>lose access to pistol
>you might not see another pistol for the rest of the level
this isn't complicated anon
>You'd still use the pistol every chance you get, because it's too valuable to abandon.
and if you're still not dropping it even when it's out of ammo... you've discovered another thing that better balance would address!
good work! you're getting there :)

>>736707840
What an unimaginative way to play Halo. With the exception of Halo 2 and Halo Reach on Legendary, the noob combo is far from necessary.

>>736709156
I never said you can't use other weapons. Just saying that your reasoning is flawed. You'd be more encouraged to use different weapons if you could carry everything, because you'd never have to worry about potentially using something usable in every situation.

>>736709325
>because you'd never have to worry about potentially using something usable in every situation.
are you retarded?

>>736709346
No. Are you? Because you're doing a very poor job at justifying any point.

>>736709325
>but it's the most effective way to play the game
Not my problem.
You're forcing yourself into boring situations. You can easily finish most Halo levels in CE with just the AR and maybe an other sidearm like a Plasma Rifle.
Halo 3 gives you so many options that you don't even need to touch the Battle Rifle or the Covenant Carbine.

>>736709407
You're still missing the point entirely. Nothing you're saying is actually explaining how or why the weapon limit is good.

Limitations force you to be creative.
Yes, you can be a scaredy cat and only use the noob combo, but you're not really engaging with what the game has to offer if you do that.

Ive tried fir the first time recently as I was going through a bunch of FPSs
Quake kinda sucked in single player content by the time halo came out. Q1 and Q2 were good fun but by Q3 they basically decided to go all in on multiplayer.
However, the new doom trilogy mogs it imo

>weapon carry limit forces you to swap weapons
>no it doesn't
>yes.... it does
>why wouldn't i just use the pistol plasma combo for the entire game
>because you'll run out of ammo
>but why wouldn't i just keep it until i find ammo again
>because you're out of ammo
>but i'd just keep using it
>but you need to kill enemies to progress
>if i had access to everything i could be more creative
>so pick up another weapon until you find pistol ammo again
>no, that's suboptimal

It clearly doesn't "force" you to do shit if you can use 2 guns for an entire playthrough no problem.

>>736709993
>plays Truth and Reconciliation on Legendary
>"THIS IS THE HARDEST MISSION EVER, WHERE IS MY PISTOL"

>>736709993
no game "forces" you to do anything, you can hex edit any game's data files whenever you want

>>736710071
You have practically infinite plasma pistol to use.

>>736710141
Don't be a faggot. You don't have to do anything special to keep a couple of weapons for an entire playthrough. You're never truly encouraged to switch up strategies. The weapon limit does nothing for the gameplay.

>>736710240
you're a disingenuous faggot and the weapon limit is a great mechanic despite the imbalance of the game's arsenal

occasionally you MIGHT have to use the assault rifle when you run out of pistol rounds. truly tactical.

>>736710345
How am I being disingenuous?

>>736704649
>MUH COPYPASTE
Every level in doom is shit brown hallways

>>736710240
>>736710406
>it is POSSIBLE to finish the game with just the pistol
>"the weapon carry limit doesn't do anything"
you're literally a faggot of the highest degree

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Bro thinks having access to the Sniper Rifle and the Rocket Launcher at all times wouldn't fundamentally change how the game is played.

there's this guy that keeps making these threads, he's like the polar opposite of Alf, if anyone else remembers him

>>736710686
When am I ever forced, or even encouraged, to change up my weapons?
In what way does the weapon limit make me use weapons in a way that I wouldn't if I'm able to carry everything at once?

>more strategic gameplay
i dont see how. figuring out how to beat a doom level on UV requires more strategy in my opinion

boomershooterfags are just straight up liars. even goldeneye and perfect dark are better than the ancient shit. Halo is better than every shooter before it.

>>736704649
Anon has yet to realize how excruciating game development in early 2000s was

>>736711023
that's weird because marathon 2's levels are less repetitive and that was made by a few frat boys in the 90s

>>736709937
Anon says this after playing only the first mission. rofl

>>736702235
Hobestly, I think all three of those hold up perfectly fine, and all three are fun, but they are all fun in a different way. Halo does have some really bad levels though, but it's great when it's at its best.

>>736710928
they're like tetrisfags, fixated on the first game to nail a particular genre down and then nothing else ever compares because nothing else can be the first good one again
>Halo is better than every shooter before it.
let's not get crazy here

>>736711053
>marathon 2's levels are less repetitive
lol

>AR is good against infection Flood
>Pistol is good against most Covenant but not super effective against Flood
>Sniper Rifle is effective for picking off stronger targets but not very viable against weaker enemies due to ammo restrictions and weak against Flood
>Rocket Launcher is a get out of jail free card, room clear, and anti-vehicle assuming it doesn't lazily list to the left or right
>Shotgun is highly effective against Flood and just ok against Covenant
>Plasma Rifle is good against just about everything
>Plasma Pistol is good against just about everything
>Needler is fun but not very effective against most things
>Frags are fucking nukes
>Plasmas are good single target deleters and stuck enemies will sometimes run into a group and chain explosions
If only there were other weapons in this game than just a boring human pistol. I hate that I'm forced to use only one weapon for all situations for the entire game. If only they had some variety to fit certain situations and set pieces. Sadly it's just the human pistol and you can't pick up any other weapons. What a piece of shit game, amiright /v/?

You can tell who the retard secondaries are because the plasma pistol is the best weapon in campaign.

Completing Halo 3 in co-op with my brother was amazing. They improved the co-op with the second player being Arbiter instead of being a clone. The ending was also perfect.

Halo 4 was a mistake.

>>736708848
Strategic gameplay IS resource management.

>>736711350
but that'd be suboptimal which means none of those mechanical pressures exist even for people who aren't me :^)

>>736710779
hes just a cuck who wants to only be able to use 2 weapons at once, anymore is too scary

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>>736702235
when it came out, it was the most fun i had playing couch multiplayer since goldeneye

>>736711430
Not exclusively though.

>>736711650
time and position are resources

>>736711734
I agree.

>>736702235
Halo faggots are as embarrassing as their worthless shitbox. Both have something in common, they're both dead, lmao.

>>736712261
lmao, so funny and edgy!

No one cares.

>>736711350
I liked the Needler in Halo 1 but it's definitely not really that great. That said if you're aggressive with it it's fine. The projectiles are slow and the tracking is shit at range and it's not really that ammo efficient but it's very satisfying and the DPS is pretty good.

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>health regeneration
>huge crosshair
>huge hit box
>auto-aim
>no recoil
>slow enemies
>floaty and steady gameplay
>infinite ammo
It's the baby's first person shooter favorite, indeed!

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>>736702235
Halo is very fun and deserves it's place in the FPS pantheon, but better than Doom and Quake? Get real.

GET IT OFF OF ME
NOOOOOOO HO HO

>>736713324
has le funny jar-jar binks aliens too >>736713483

>>736713395
I'm in my 40s and, yes, Halo is far better than Doom or Quake.

>>736712892
the needles suddenly becomes top tier with the boom skull on, especially when bodies are already on the ground and the needles sets off a hilarious chain reaction of plasma grenades.

>>736713539
>in my 40s
TRULY, why live

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>>736702235

i refuse to believe people are still butthurt about halo two decades later
you're like 50, stop seething on a basket weaving forum

>>736713324
Xbox has been nothing but a cancer to the game industry since its inception.

>>736713395
Quake isn't even good to begin with.

>>736702235
I do think the flow of levels in original halo is better than doom and quake. I prefer weapons in doom but at the same time halo has more specific uses for a lot of their weapons while still being decent out of those specific uses.
Enemies are definitely more fun to fight.
Story is a no brainer since they actually put a good amount of thought into it but I think it's dumb to compare to doom and quake whose story is there just for the setting.

>>736713872
the only reason halo was such a big hit is because it had MS money behind it, that's all. it's the most forced video game IP ever.

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>>736713324
>no recoil
How is this a bad thing? Don't tell me you think shit like CS is good.

Halo used satanic magic to compel children to play it en masse.

>>736713963
Horizon Zero Dawn exists though

>>736714141
true, i should've said it's one of the first ones instead

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>>736713963
Yup, there's a reason it collapsed like a kidney stone after the Xbox died.

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>>736713963
true lol

how come people pretend that cod straight up killed halo (it dethroned it sure) when halo was actively ACKing itself over the course of 10 years?
>reach was a weird experimental title
>then halo 4 released and double downed on everything reach did wrong
>then the raped first launch of mcc
>then halo 5 tripled downed on everything halo 4 did wrong
>second slightly less raped launch of mcc
>shitfinite was just halo 5 wearing the flayed skin of classic halo

>>736714426
>>736714459
and i didn't even mention the US military using it as a propaganda tool either, kek

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>brainwashed zoomie mind

>>736714590
but bro, le believe ad......

>>736714582
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. It explains why the series went from the more interesting sci-fi similar to old Marathon vibe of CE to becoming all boring military bullshit from 2 to Reach. I also remember Halo 4 being used for a fucking presidential election, lol.

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>>736714406
>garbage: popular
>garbage: unpopular
Your point being?

My problem with Doom is while I played the original, I didn't enjoy it as much as Hexen/Heretic but I enjoyed the fuck out of Brutal Doom which gave the OG a lot more personality
OG Doom was more horror/suspense like Alien 1 while Brutal Doom was Aliens, an action-adventure with a horror paintjob
Quake fucking sucked in every regard, 1st gen 3D engine that looked uglier than Build games, no thanks. Quake 2 was much better
unfair to compre Halo, better hardware, years of game and level design experience with an improved StarCraft storyline, oh and pro voice acting not just Chris Metzen

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>>736702235
Quake has its pros, but imo Halo wins just for the atmosphere alone. it's very frutiger aero. You also felt free, compared to Quake where it feels claustrophobic.

It's also perfectly fine to prefer Quake, the ambience is very different so if you prefer horror movies and violence, you'll prefer quake.

A lot of people don't realize that they like a game because of its ambience not because of its gameplay, which is also ok.

It has much better world building than doom or quake which don’t really take themselves seriously

Do people actually think carrying 12 guns on them is cool?

>>736718145
yeah

>>736718145
Yes but they'll exclusively use the shotgun anyway and complain like petulant children if the game pushes them to use more than one weapon (Doom Eternal).

>>736705238
>>better enemies
>no
genuinely delusional

>>736719407
The problem with Eternal is that it does not force you to switch up weapons using clever level layouts or subtle enemy designs, but instead with Simon Says gameplay. Doom Eternal is "press x to awesome", the game.

I think Ruby's Rebalanced mod is a must if you want to player Halo today.

>>736718145
Yes, Halo is a downgrade om everyway. If those three prequel missions in the remake aren't anything to write home about, I honestly think it's time for Microsoft to close the book on their gaming ventures entirely.

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I enjoy a variety of different shooters from dark forces to modern games.

>>736714508
Nobody I knew that cared about halo played 4+
Halo ended at 3.

>>736702235
What about Half Life

>>736718145
Much cooler than using Plasma Pistol 90% of the time (human pistol the other 10%)

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>>736702235
And I'm glad all three existed and had the spotlight.

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>>736720032
You're correct. Plasma Pistol just wasn't cool enough for me nor was the game too hard without it on any difficulty. I even discovered the AR damage adds up if you tap the fire button and land shots rather than spray or even burst. It's not just a campaign thing either: many times in multiplayer I'd be tap-firing at people and they'd be looking around for a pistol user.

>>736702235
one of the worst campaigns ever created. level design is pure aids, repetitive soulless slop only a retarded npc faggot would enjoy. the only thing redeeming this game was the coop, otherwise its overrated shit.

>>736718145
Yeah. Why not?