When I took cover and bullets stared phasing through my body

>>736703669
It's not shit but the writing is seriously flawed. I do miss the gameplay aspects that ME2 dropped from ME1, but what it did keep it refined mostly pretty well. The only real slip-up gameplay wise was making biotics useless on shielded enemies as that just made biotics not very fun to use.

thermal clips
needing an entire skill level to press a button on your gun to change the ammo type

When you play through the game and realize Legion is locked off from two thirds of it

>>736703669
I was 16 when it came out and it was really targeting my specific age group. When I was 18, ME3 came out and I fucking hated it. I still think that's mainly on ME3 just being worse, but a lot of people are fangirls over ME3 for some reason. I've just accepted since I was 20-something that ME2 was a game for teenagers, and I love it and I still find it nostalgic, and whenever its vibes are too cringe since I've matured, I just write it off as "For teenagers", like them treating characters being able to say "fuck" like a proud moment.

I love ME2. It's so fucking good. It is soooooo, fucking good.

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>>736703669
Pretty much immediately when I first played it
>level design is more cramped and partitioned
>three separate annoying as shit hacking minigames
>planet scanning for resources instead of actually landing on planets for side quests
>basically removed itemization completely
>severely reduced the amount of powers available to you and squadmates
>biotics nerfed, useless against shields and have to aim them like casting a fireball
>destroyed your original ship and crew because fuck you we have to reboot the story for newcomers
>force you to work for terrorists by making everyone else but them suddenly retarded amnesiacs
>"this pistol doesn't have a thermal clip"
And many more

>>736703669
Waiting for
>cowadoody
>chest high walls
so I can be satisfied this thread has run its course.
>>736704963
Yet 2 is the best game. Shocking.

>>736703669
When I first played it

>>736705020
Best at being a shitty downgrade. Wait no that's probably DA2.

>>736705182
>muh powers
Imagine being a pussy bitch magic user. Run and gun, faggot.

>>736705213
They removed the gun powers too.
>Run and gun
Yeah you can actually do that in 1, unlike 2 which is geared around sticking your ass to cover.

The amount of passion I've lost around gaming in general not because ME3 was shit, but realizing how many fans even on /v/ adore it and think ME2 is shit.
So much of my passion for vidyas comes from believing I'm having an experience I can share with someone else, and that was true back when I played ME2 and several of my friends also liked it, and some even played ME1 and still liked it, and then ME3 came out and I was like "nyahhh..." and they were also like "nahhh" about it in general. But you go online, and whether it was BSN, youtubers, Reddit or now even /v/ people really shill for 2 being some kind of disaster and 3 "at least being somewhat redeemed".

I can only see what they mean but I can't feel it. Any time I play 3 it is so much worse than 2 in almost every conceivable way.
>But the gameplay is better bro
Yeah but it isn't. Gameplay is more than just "How it feels to control Shepard in combat". I consider the dialogue wheel, mini-games, and exploration part of a shared gameplay experience, and even the shooting had a bit more thought put into it in 2. It had better encounters that are more for thinking people while 3 is just brainless canonfodder shooting galleries where you maximize your firepower.
Are the graphics better? Honestly, not even. ME3 has a more "pristine" look than the first 2 games, but it also lost all its fucking charm and ended up looking like some "Edge of Tomorrow" level of slop to me. Husks are like Sci-fi zombies in the first two games, and they go like "uuoouuuu" when they come at you to emphasize how they're people hollowed out from anything resembling a person inside. In ME3 that is replaced with "GRAWOOOO" and angry faces, and the Banshees are also just meant to be like James Wan levels of B-horror slop.

What the fuck happened, and why are fans so uncultured? Why am I sharing this franchise with Hunger Games fanboys or something. ME3 is trash, people!! 2 is not that bad though!!!

>>736705258
You can do that in 2 if you don't suck. Also
>gun powers
WHAT

>>736703669
they like quadrupled the size of Liara's tits, ruined everything

>>736705542
You clearly haven't played these games so no point talking to you.

>>736704891
>>736705509
This thread seems to be about how 2 was worse than 1, not worse than 3.

>>736705509
Gaming got an influx of tasteless retards in the last decade.

>>736703669
>scanning planets before being able to visit them
fuck that
ME1 is the best.

>>736705953
>>736706353
All these threads and comments are being made by a single guy that got mind broken by ME2. If you've heard of TDS, Trump Derangement Syndrome, this guys is suffering from ME2DS. There is no level that he won't stoop to and no accusation that he will not throw at ME2, in spite of his "favorite" ME1 or ME3, depending on the framing and the thread, doing the same, if not worse in every aspect. Which is why I tend to ignore these thread entirely and leave them to die. People that think ME2 is the worse and especially the ones that think that ME3 is the best, even if it is just them being contrarian, deserve the rope. ME3 is the reason that Bioware has been dying for 15 years almost now.

>>736707551
OP here. ME3 is even worse than 2. Not the schizo you're referring to.

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>>736705909
It's a third person shooter. If you do more than shoot as a Soldier, you're a faggot.

>>736707618
That anon will take either position to shit on ME2, so saying that means nothing.

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This can not be argued.

>>736708235
Okay but if I was him I'd be sperging out on your posts, no?

>>736709058
zoomer take

>>736709058
Swap ME1 and ME2 and it's more accurate.

>>736703669
it's miles beyond shit like Andromeda but this was the beginning of the end and it really doesn't take eyes to see it, between this and DA2 like a year after you can really tell they were trying to 'action hype' up all their games because EA was convinced that's what sold the best

>>736709058
1 should be over 2
3 is dogshit just for the endings to say nothing of the rest of the game but I think it deserves at least a tier up on Andromeda, no other game in the series is anywhere near Andromeda

>>736703669
Sadly at the final boss when its a fucking
a fucking human skeleton shaped reaper lmaolol

Preferred 1s combat from the start however. The reloading retcon was gay. Thermal clips my ass.

>>736703669
when I played better games

>>736709627
Cowadoody and chest high walls, amirite folks?

>>736709810
There's nothing wrong with thermal clips from a lore perspective.

>>736703669
2 was the game I replayed the most. It was absolutely a side adventure that screwed over ME3, but I just love the tone, atmosphere, and the general progression of the game. The gameplay is pretty fun, even though I think the way thermal clips were handled was stupid and worth making fun of. All of the companions, minus Jacob, are good and fun. They have good personal missions and character arcs.

It was kind of low stakes in many aspects which actually made it fun but also just meant it was a waste of an entry that soft reboot ME1 for some reason.

>>736704645
>>736704748
These. Literally in the first combat encounter, basically.

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>>736703669
Any tips/advice for playing through the series?

>>736710149
Play 1 and then stop.

>>736703669
>When did you realize it was shit?
When I discovered they'd replaced the interesting weapon heat system with boring shitty old press X to reload crap and ammo scrounging.

>>736710149
play through 1 and 2 and then stop before finishing 3, whatever ending you make up in your head will be better than what you're inevitably going to get playing it to completion

2 is a retarded detour they turned halfway into Gears of War but the suicide mission is at least a fun experience

>>736710149
Not a meme, but you should play all 3. Just have fun. Don't worry about 100%ing everything and burning out. Do all the companion related stuff and major side quests they throw at you. Try to keep to mostly renegade or mostly paragon, unfortunately there are basically stat checks regarding them. That is basically all you need to be warned about.

Even ME3 is fun and has cool moments. It has a disappointing ending but overall I would never skip it lmao. That is so weird to even suggest. Not like there is ME 4/5/6/7/8/9 or whatever. There are 3. Play all 3.

>the one time Shepard decides to take his whole ass crew on a random ass mission is when the Normandy gets raided in stealth mode
The game has a very contrived story starting with killing Shepard at the start so they can force the player to be Indebted to Cerberus on top of Alliance and the Council not getting involved when realistically they would. I still like it for the characters besides Jacob and the edgier vibe

ME is a successfully marketed property. It does not deserve to be remembered past the 2010s. It is a fine series of games but not outstanding enough to linger in the industry.

When I learned you lost your party from 1.

>>736703669
When I leveled up and had a look at the "skills", also when I realized there was zero equipment in the game and it was no longer an rpg but a Gears clone.

>>736703669
ME2 has the worst Citadel by far.

>>736703669
Like half your companions have daddy issues.

1 is for true sci-fi enjoyers and other based autists. 2 is for normies and jj abrams fans, with some of the previous writing leaking through in planet descriptions as well as tali's and mordin's loyalty missions, the noir elements are pretty well executed too. The only really good parts of 3 are the genophage arc which was setup by 1 and 2 so well that it's impossible to fumble and the general atmosphere on the citadel.

>>736703669
It had terrible ideas like killing off Shepard in the beginning, punting the entire Reaper plotline to the next game despite that being the finale, and shedding the bulk of what RPG elements the first game had to make it more of a linear cover shooter but it still did a lot of things exceptionally well. The third game was a complete dumpster fire though and not just the ending everyone rags on.

>>736710149
Play 1, then 2, then 3

>>736710149
>ME1
Solider
>ME2
Solider
>ME3
Solider

Make sure to pick default male shep for the best experience

>>736711807
Why are missions in 3 referred to as "arcs"

>>736711995
Vanguard is more fun

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>>736709810
Same, the thermal clips were the first red flag but by the end of the game with the giant terminator I was like "meh"

Never played 3 but will probably get around to it one day

>>736712069
Shotguns are only good in 3 and I’m never replaying that trash again

>>736709663
>you can really tell they were trying to 'action hype' up all their games because EA was convinced that's what sold the best

This was 100% Bioware's fault and something they themselves "fought for", from KOTOR and Jade Empire onwards they had increasingly little interest in making traditional RPGs anymore. Dragon Age Origins was an exception and an oddity (partly due to undergoing development hell), one that they then immediately rectified with the "sequel" (which was EA's fault in the sense they demanded a release during that fiscal year and wanted it to labeled a sequel, but all the creative decisions behind it beyond that were Bioware's).

>>736703669
back when the game came out I pirated it and posted a rant about thermal clips after playing the intro in the general (this was before /vg/ was made so the entire board was generals) and people flamed me for it. funny to see the popular consensus flip over time

>>736710149
get the legendary edition then get the community patch for each game, then play them all. just know going in the games get worse and worse as the series progresses

>>736712121
it plays alright though lacks animation polish on some stuff like the sprint, and SORELY lacks in enemy variety. but the actual ability synergy and gunplay is the best the trilogy has on offer. unfortunately most of the game is not very good outside of that

>>736712121
>Never played 3 but will probably get around to it one day
Honestly you're better off skipping it and writing off the rest of the series entirely, you have everything to lose and nothing to gain otherwise.

>>736703669
When they added an ammo system

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>>736703669
Right at the fucking beginning of the damn game, when in the first 5 minutes they kill Shepard when they could've easily tied it up to the fake-out death at the end of 1 by making it an actual death. It just screamed to me
>WE HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THESE SERIES, WE'RE JUST MAKING IT UP AS WE GO

>>736703669
tbf I thought it was extremely streamlined from the first on my first play and was disappointed with a lot of removals instead of refinement.

>>736704963
>PA-DOWWW!

>>736703669
I knew it was going to be dogshit as soon as that fuckhead Mac Walters was lead writer.

>>736704963
every time I start to think fondly of my time playing ME1 I remember how fucking dreadful playing through 2 and 3 were and no longer have any compulsion to play through it again
maybe I'd boot up 3 if I had a couple friends who wanted to play the MP together

Never. Best trilogy ever made.

Also I think the majority of seething from faggots about the ending are the ones who chose blue or green, control or synthesize. Game 1 was about a guy who wanted to synthesize, and he got fucked. 2 was about a guy who wanted to control, and he got fucked.

But if you can accept red, destroy, it's a good ending. If you choose anything else then you got indoctrinated and the reapers won. The devs just didn't have the balls to say it outright, but everything implies this.

>>736704963
>planet scanning for resources instead of actually landing on planets for side quests
This is actually a massive improvement.

ME3 got the hate ME2 deserved. I still believe ME1 was an amazing game and I just pretend like it never got a sequel or closure to it, because we didn't

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>childhood
blaming ME3 for the shitty resolution to the Reaper plotline
>adolescence
blaming ME2 for not progressing the Reaper plotline
>adulthood
blaming ME1 for introducing the Reaper plotline

>>736713950
>blaming ME1 for introducing the Reaper plotline
I blame it for not ending the Reaper plotline. It never should've been continued after the first game.

The only thing that salvages 2 is playing on Insanity.

>>736703669
Pretty much instantly. Everyone was raving about it at the time. It was just extremely generic sci-fi mixed with an absolutely dogshit TPS somehow masquerading as an RPG. I can only assume it's popular because it's baby's first sci-fi. Kinda like how the Witcher 3 is popular cos it was played by a bunch of sad virgins who jacked off to the hot tub opening and thought it was "so mature."

>>736705182
DA2 is the worst sequel of all time and I will die with that opinion.

>>736712730
"killing" shepard for a time skip is fine, it's the forced co-operation with cerberus that really is just insane. you basically do nothing but kill cerberus agents in 1's side content, and there's a whole ass origin dedicated to Shepard being a victim of one of their experiments. Shepard breaking out of a Cerberus lab with the help of Miranda who is defecting or whatever, fucking off back to the Citadel and becoming a Spectre again and using that power to investigate the collector's or whatever makes WAY MORE sense.

>>736703669
When I realized there were zero mentions of Shepard's war history or origin outside of the dialogue with Jacob and Miranda in the opening.

Why are so many of you faggots writing entire paragraph like it’s your personal diary stfu

>>736714069
yeah ME could've had the Trek villain of the episode/game, with choices that affected your crew carrying over from game to game. would be very easy to justify the reapers being trapped in deep space too, giving everyone thousands of years to prepare for them.

Am I still in time to play this? I just want Quarian sexo

>>736714464
the games aren't going anywhere, just know you can't romance Tali in 1, so you gotta wait until 2 and 3.

>>736710076
>There's nothing wrong with thermal clips from a lore perspective.
Except for the fact that heat discipation no longer exists in this universe? If your gun overheats it never cools down on its own and just stays the same temperature forever until you insert a thermal clip. How the hell does that make any sense?

Ιt's literally the best in the franchise and the most replayable. 7 Samurai in space was a brilliant idea, it aged like fine wine

>>736703669
Never. It's best Mass Effect.

>>736703669
never, and it's actually the only good mass effect. every single other one is SHIT

It had a lot more effort put into it than 3 did, most of the quests in that game have you fetching items and dropping them off on the citadel for a +10 war asset.

hated 3 but wish the multiplayer got some more effort, the only good part of the game even though it was so half baked, full of microtransactions, and had the dogshit ME3 gameplay. I did enjoy finally getting to play as a krogan and turian etc. playing horde mode but with little objectives that make you reposition and hold different areas was neato.

Me2 set me3 up for failure and removed rpg elements from me1 but its also the best game in the trilogy

>>736703669
as many anons mentioned before it was not shit, it just worsened some aspects of ME1.
Roleplay elements, such as weapons and weapon mods, armor and armor mods, skill systems, no more exploration (which was already cut short in ME1 due to time constrains).

Also the main story in ME2 felt like a big dlc to the reaper main arc set up in ME1. I think a few things that came up in ME3s story should've been done in ME2 (Tuchanka, discovering the asari are backstabbing whores, the geth quarian conflict...)

The squadmates were mostly really interesting and I kinda liked the heavy weapons, but playing any non gun focused build felt a lot worse than ME1.
EA and Bioware really dropped the ball with ME2 and the ME3 story catastrophy had to happen, because of ME2 game long dlc sidequest.
Also don't get me started on the human-reaper-terminator that fought like a goofball. Funny they did not even add a final boss to ME3 and I can't decide which is worse kek

>>736703669
either when they made Cerberus an evil omnipotent galactic organization or when they killed and resurrected Shep to reset the character and cast.
The rest followed this shitty premise.
I can still enjoy it as a generic tps, but ME is ME1 period

>>736703669
Never, it's genuinely a great game and one of my all time favorite experiences.

>>736709746
>>736709658
yep

>>736710149
Play 1 and stop.
story makes sense only up to that point either way

>>736711807
>1 is for true sci-fi enjoyers and other based autists. 2 is for normies and jj abrams fans,
Very well said

>>736704963
>>destroyed your original ship and crew because fuck you we have to reboot the story for newcomers
>>force you to work for terrorists by making everyone else but them suddenly retarded amnesiacs
ME2's story would stop working if everyone but TIM didn't act like a retard, and TIM somehow acts like a retard and someone who has a copy of the script at the same time.

>>736709058
Yes it can. Both Andromeda and 3 have some absolute shit writing with occasional good moments, but the exploring and combat in Andromeda is genuinely some of the best in the series. It has that over 3.

>>736703669
it always was
it's the one game that stood out among 1 and 3 where characters act of out character and you got cerberusfags as well

>>736703669
>When did you realize it was shit?
The moment i fired the pistol and it had *ammo*.

>>736713950
>>736714069
The main plot basically ended in 1 with them being trapped out in dark space. They just sequel baited at the end with a couple lines of dialogue.

>>736704645
and at the same time if you behind wall but "not in cover" if there is a 1 cm gap in wall enemy will snipe whole assault rifle mag into you thru that gap
also on legendary harbringer have no cooldown stun biotic spell that takes you out of the cover (it forces shepart into stand up animation)

never, it was kino.

>>736710114
Yeah, same for me. It felt like such a downgrade. I'd like to know what the hell they were smoking.

>>736703669
When I realized you get instantly bodied in fights unless you are behind a fence or a waist high wall

Makes fights extremely static and gay

Also pouring out of reinforcements every fight that all have shields/barrier/armor and therefore cannot be interacted with beyond emptying clip after clip of anemic guns into them

I'm sorry but railroading biotics players into doing 1+1=2 with biotic explosions all game isn't fun gameplay

Warp and throw the entire game

>>736710149
Bioware continues to get progressively worse with each new game. This is not negotiable. The older the game is, the better. ME1 and Dragon Age Origins were before the point of no return.

>>736703669
>shooting pellets from a fucking railgun
>enemy doesn't gets insta gibbed when their shields goes down

>>736714069
Me1 writers smartly gave no deadline for reaper arrival.
They were in deep space and just lost their way to teleport to the galaxy

This means shepard can save the world by uniting the galaxy, or by discovering ancient prothean stuff (using his newfound all-access knowledge of the language you worked all game to acquire).
It was a very open ending. Fumbling the ball was solely a result of me2 and me3 dumbing down the plot for cheap hype moments that weren't earned and needlessly raising stakes in idiotic ways.

Me2 is especially moronic. Its made for idiots.

>>736719076
>The main plot basically ended in 1 with them being trapped out in dark space.
This.
Going beyond that crystallized the need for gigantic shitty asspull in 3 that made everything retarded

>>736721854
very well said

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>>736703669
When Shepard said ''This pistol doesn't have a thermal clip." yet the game takes place only like 2 years later after first.

Dear OP. Shut the fuck up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCkEICAy7m4

>>736703669
When it first came out. RPG elements stripped down to appease casual brainlets. One of the worst and most boring combat systems that I ever experienced.
Cant believe it gained such a cult following over the years.
I can argue that even the 3rd game is better than the second one because it actually offers some GAMEPLAY.

>>736721854
>Me2 is especially moronic. Its made for idiots.
I don't see it that way so much as I see ME2 as "pieces". Pieces of a story they were developing that didn't get completed over the course of the project, and pieces of other ideas they were throwing in because they probably knew they didn't have the proper "Act 2" hook after wasting the time they had to develop it.
They had various versions of Shepard getting revived, and some of them had him unconscious, some of them had him completely dead, and some of them had him literally not being him, and the revival was once done by Geth as well, but then they started tying in Cerberus.
I think there was an ego trip between Mac Walters and Drew Karpyshyn on the project and Casey Hudson also feeling like he couldn't control Drew as a writer or something like that. Good writers are typically highly egotistical people, and Drew already had multiple versions of his ME1 scripts thrown in the garbage before we ended up with what we had. I think he quit because he felt like whatever ME2 was turning into, it wasn't a story he had control over anymore.

On ME1 Mac was sour, and he's said this in numerous Legendary Edition interviews, that the Leads on ME1 cut his beloved "Global Plots" featuring Cerberus in the first game. When you find the computer that "shuts down the operation" in ME1 there was supposed to be several more leads, more planets and a home-base on a planet called "Misery" where you'd meet Cerberus's leader, their science-project, and shut it down. Then they started developing that as ME1 DLC, and Drew wrote some of it into his 2008 sequel book, but then the DLC got cancelled, and then they transitioned it over to the main plot of ME2.

I have no idea what they discussed and Drew denies a lot of it being petty, but I believe it was sort of petty. I think he felt strongly against incorporating Cerberus into the core of ME2 at all. >cont

>>736704963
>removed itemisation

The lootslop in ME1 was hot garbage and every gun was a reskin

At least in 2 and 3 there are actual differences between any 2 pistols or shotguns

>>736722485
>cont
At the same time I think Drew was struggling to write the Part 2 narrative, and Casey was getting trepidatious about their deadlines, and BioWare was also rotating offices while erecting 2 new studios, which led to huge shakeups to the ME1 core team, and Drew telling them he would quit somewhere in 2008 "once ME2 is done" and he quit August 2009 when the game was finalized and just needed final rewrites and polishing and additional voice-overs.

I think he sorta gave up midway through writing a proper story for 2, then they brought over Cerberus crap in the beginning of the project, in order to try and flesh out a story that hadn't been fleshed out, and the Geth digitally recreating Shepard turned into Cerberus reviving him with a science-project.

Casey Hudson always wanted the "Organics vs Synthetics" theme for the story. He talked about that all the way through ME1's development. He shot the images we see in the Prothean Visions as a homemade film project to show "organics and flesh merged", and the Reapers who were once just the Geth (called "The MACHINES") were always made with the impetus of "Machine but organiclike". So whether the geth revived Shepard or Cerberus, the "point" other than putting Messiah imagery into Shepard was to start the idea that part of Shepard is non-organic, but in the Cerberus version this really was downplayed.

Several more rewrites overwrote themes about synthetic life in ME2, and Drew's final writings still locked on Dark Energy, because he did NOT envision this as the franchise's main theme. Mac Walters just wrote what Casey requested, as long as he got to wear the Lead Writer hat and be the shittiest writer in the studio with a Title.

>>736722375
Cover shooters were the main thing casual audience looked for. So gears of war + alien space babes sex was a perfect attraction. It's just like a movie, but you can choose what say and shoot shit! Had a big marketing campaign too
I agree, 3's gameplay is better, more fun.

>>736722660
>cont
This then goes on all the way to ME3 where once again, Mac was basically doing fuck all with the storyline as long as it involved Cerberus being "really cool", while the remaining senior writers (Patrick Weekes and Chris Hepler, who only REALLY got to write main plot on ME2, not 1) and fanboy writers like John Dombrow, would join BioWare and look at Mac's main story and go
>???? Bro, are you sure about all of this? Where's X, Y, and Z that fans are expecting?
And then ME3's story is somewhat okay in spite of Mac Walters leading it astray. Earlier versions of ME3's plot found in the leaks show Cerberus were literally just "allied with the Reapers" and you had to fight them like they're ME3's version of the Collectors. This got a critical rewrite midway through production after I think especially John Dombrow (who wrote some of the rewritten scenes) suggested a rewrite to their motivations, and this fit with Casey's old idea of the whole "Destroy or Control Synthetic Life" mantra also seen in ME1.

So when you get to the end of ME3, we really are seeing the garbled vision of Casey Hudson's initial ideas, where the Reapers and Shepard represent a godlike, messiah-type narrative about the struggle of machine intelligence, in a sort of "God is dead" fashion, because according to Casey, the throughline of Mass Effect is that the biggest threat to mankind after we've solved the "Nuclear Bomb" problem is the threat of synthetic life, and have to undergo a crucible to overcome that, and that's why it's called the Crucible and why all 3 endings are about figuring out what to do with Synthetic and Organic life.

Shepard was supposed to have a much bigger emphasis on being half-organic. Again, this is garbled envisioning of lost cues all the way back in ME2. That's why ME2 is sorta like pieces of an idea, and not completely devoid of cohesion.

Complete Mass Effect virgin here except for the mass meltdown I saw back in the day of "Same ending in 3 but different colors".

Is it supposed to be this jank in 1? The menus and combat feel really terrible. Feels like a Newgrounds game with a budget.

>>736723002
Did you play the original or the remaster? Yeah, 1 is pretty janky in either case but they tightened it up a lot in the remaster. Added slicker UI, and more weapon types, and headshots count as extra damage now.
The original vibe I got from ME1 was that it's not a shooter, but a sort of live turnbased RPG done like a shooter. So when I shoot someone, it's not like playing Doom or Call of Duty, it's me hitting the "Fight" button in Final Fantasy but visually everyone's just running and gunning, and what matters isn't my aim, but the equipment, my leveling and ability use.

ME1 sorta works better if you stop viewing it as a shooter but an RPG. But yes, it feels very Janky. Starting with ME2 they developed it as a shooter instead, but retain the Dialogue system and some of the exploration elements. 1 is a different type of game than the sequels altogether, and that's why it's many's favorite and also the one Mass Effect some other people just can't stand.

>>736723002
Kind of yeah. This is their first shooter game. They tried to recreate a tactical RPG party like combat in third person, more than a straight up action TPS. As a tip, you can often don't use cover button and instead simply hide your character behind stuff and pick out manually moving. Makes it fell much less clunky.

>>736722489
The mods of me1 fully changes guns to be whatever you want them to be.

High ex ammo vs plutonium etc

>>736723160
I picked up the legendary whatever on sale for $6. Thought I'd see exactly what had a stranglehold on the industry back in the day.
Turns out it was just Trek die hards and sex starved nerds. Maybe one in the same.

Just finished Noveria which felt like a "let's do a tribute to that one part of Phantasy Star Online."
lol

>>736723314
Yeah I figured that out quick.

What bothers me most though is how some NPCs appear or disappear in an instant. Like if you have them in a cutscene anyway, show them walking off screen. Oh and the menus look like baby's first unity game. I'd say first xna game but that's too outdated a reference.

>>736722853
>Mac was basically doing fuck all with the storyline as long as it involved Cerberus being "really cool",
Who was the guy that wrote all the hollywood actors being "really cool" and way better than shepard and also shepard can't say no to them?

specifically IM, aria and hackett/anderson especially. I want to give pushback but the game doesn't let me

Me1 at least allowed me to side with Udina, the one smart alliance guy

>>736723341
Keep playing. The way I would rate ME1 is this
>Intro (Eden Prime & Citadel visit): 8/10
>Side-questing: 5/10 - 9/10 (it grows on you IMO)
>The middle act (Novria and the other planets): 6/10
>Stuff later on before the final parts: 8/10
>The escalation point and finale: 9/10
And an overall elevated feeling after that, which helps you appreciate the game on a more holistic level the next time you eventually revisit it.

Then you start ME2, with the context of ME1, and unless you're a giga-nerd who complains that some details in the Codex got undermined, you'll generally agree that now it's starting to get unique and exciting. The music in cinematics no longer feels amateurish, and emphasizes correctly. The cinematics themselves are still just as interactive, but they're much better paced now, the dialogue is way more snappy, and it actually feels competent. Then you shoot and it's kind of a nice shooter now. New plot details emerge, and feels way more interesting to explore than how ME1 started IMO.
And then ME2 really accumulates a lot of emotional connection to the universe through really well presented characters who have 10/10 voice acting. And you care about the places in the galaxy you've visited, and you care about the species, and your character's built up relationships like Persona fans and their anime waifus.

Then you play 3, importing those details once again with your save-data, and although I think 3 is much weaker than 1 and 2, the accumulation of all these things makes it also the most viscerally emotional single player game I've underwent. At the end of 3, even as the ending sucked dick, I was literally at the edge of my seat, and completely zoned in because of that terrible feeling of "I don't want this to be over already"

I've had that feeling with a number of other franchises, but it's never felt as raw as it does when you've accrued so much personalization into Shepard, over what feels similar to more linear games like Last of Us.

>>736703669
The mission complete screen. Made it an arcade game.
Others include thermal clips which was an obvious boardroom decision and the galaxy map where you now have to fly a toy version of the ship around to navigate.
These for me are the strongest pointers that the EA rot had set in and were influencing the game rather than the passion of the creators for the universe they had created.
I do not trust nor care for the opinions of those who think me2 is the superior game (they likely started on PS3 anyway so you can mostly ignore any thoughts they have on it)

>>736723516
>udina
>smart
lel

>>736723648
I'll keep at it sure.

>>736723704
Mm yea. He was perfectly reasonable in me1. Anderson is extremely embarrassing. "What about shepard's vision" in front of the galactic president council.

The inclusion of Udina, a character with diverging viewpoint and way of engaging in politics and being productive compared to the action man shepard, while not demonizing him for opposing shepard (as shitty writers would do) elevates the game.

It's mature. It's reasonable.
Later games, of course, made him a corrupt idiot and a traitor. They based this turn on him not agreeing with shepard that one time and that simply being too much for the writer and average player to bear.

Everyone must suck shepard's dick at all times otherwise they can all die. Except IM and aria, but they're actual hollywood actors and essentially royalty and also the writers pet so it's okay for them to take center stage. You should just shut up and watch as aria berates you, cuckold. This is her story now

>>736723516
>specifically IM, aria and hackett/anderson especially. I want to give pushback but the game doesn't let me
I know, sadly from sources that the internet killed in recent years (mainly Penny Arcade scraping) a lot about who wrote what. I also stalked LinkedIn profiles, and I also spoke to Chris L'Etoile on a Discord server about some of it, to know which writers wrote what in each game. So to your question:
>IM: Drew Karpyshyn and Mac Walters. Mainly Drew in 2, and definitely Mac from Suicide Mission and until the Credits, but a few scenes like the end of Loyalty Missions are done by the respective writers of said loyalty character. L'Etoile wrote all dialogue during the Freedom's Progress (2nd level) including Miranda and Jacob. All was peer-reviewed/rewritten.
>Aria: Mac Walters in ME2. Neil Pollner (BioWare Montreal) in ME3
>Hackett & Anderson: Anderson is 100% Drew Karpyshyn in ME1 and 2. Mac in 3, and occasionally Patrick Weekes (the vidcomm ones in context of the Grissom Academy level). Cathleen Rootsaert (Andromeda/Anthem) wrote his notepad interviews in Citadel DLC. Hackett was often L'Etoile in the first game, but he traded between whoever had written the side-quest. Any main story voice-over was Drew's, like during Battle of the Citadel.
>Udina: Drew in ME1. Chris L'Etoile in 2. Mac Walters and Chris Hepler in ME3.
The problem with Udina is that he was loosely based on Palpatine from the SW Prequels, because Drew obviously loves those and KOTOR. But they developed him differently, so when writing 3 their attempt to write in an "Execute Order 66" plot for him really doesn't work, especially not with Cerberus, so he ends up feeling like an alienated and assassinated character and shooting him in the heart was their way of permanently absolving him from any further plot, after wasting his entire character on nothing.

>>736723929
Udina was great in 1. He's a patriot.

>>736723858
>He was perfectly reasonable in me1
He wasn't. He was a kiss ass who dropped you like a hot potato the second it served his political career. That's not smart, it's just opportunistic. Fair play he doesn't want to back an invasion into the Terminus systems, but to ground the Normandy, the one ship that could realistically get there undetected and without causing an incident, as well as the guy who fucking uncovered the whole conspiracy AND allowed his advancement in the first place is nothing but self-serving. He doesn't serve humanity's interests, only his own.

>>736724067
So much of a patriot he throws humanity under the bus the second it helps him curry personal favour with the council. He's a servile lickspittle.

>>736723858
>Mm yea. He was perfectly reasonable in me1. Anderson is extremely embarrassing. "What about shepard's vision" in front of the galactic president council.
That whole thing could've been written a lot better lol. But that's what I kinda like about ME1's writing compared to 3's. I feel like 1 is very plot-centric, and all of the dialogue is plot-related most of the game, but that just leads to slightly clumsy moments where the writers are sort of forgetting the context it's meant to be in, like Anderson sounding like a conspiracy theorist when his characterization was meant to be wise and reasonable. But then in 2 a lot of characters become more stylistic, and in 3 I really feel that too many scenes rely on a sort of "ad-lib" vibe, where the writers had lost people who cared about plot, and instead it's more about getting "actor performances" out of writing they could come up with. There's a lot of eye-rolling platitudes throughout ME3's dialogue. Garrus who i really love, even grated on me a few times with all of his "Close, but not close enough" and "you were born for this, Shepard" kind of cliché dialogue.

>>736724084
Had shepard been in his shoes he would have done the same thing. Genuinely not a problem for his character. Udina is ultimately a committed and honest politician. He serves humanity primarily and this will put him in a collision course with shep

>>736724067
Yeah. Udina is a very specific character which they just didn't understand in 3. He's not supposed to be a crazed psycho path who ruins himself from fear. He's meant to be a coward and a little bitch sure. But making him into some kind of murderous "powermongerer" in 3 makes no fucking sense.

>>736724123
Well done. You know about the game's conflict. It was written this way. Udina and the council do not have all the information. What shepard can prove is very little, and going to Ilos is basically a hunch.

In their minds saren is totally neutralized at this point.
There's zero bad blood between shep and Udina after this. Both men did what they felt was necessary.

>>736724198
He's not a coward though. Its a very different role in the organization/society they live in.
Udina has a broader view and access to more levers of power. He needs to be diplomatic. He's also unwaveringly humanity first in all cases.

>>736724328
Naw. What he does after Vimire/Noveria/Feros is a "Career-politician" dick move. He'd be human-first if he let Shepard do his god damn job. And he'd be a hypocrite for shutting down the Normandy because it's got 4 aliens on it, when he himself is joining ranks with a bunch of aliens in politics.

he's doing what he does then, because he's only thinking about himself. But there's a chasm between doing that, and acting so rash and desperate in 3 that he willingly commits genocide against other members of the citadel and their councilors. Even worse if he didn't know what he was doing and just afraid.

he needed a different plot altogether in 3. Something where he's having to recognize that if humanity needs aid from the rest, they're gonna have to give up some of their own resources to help the other struggling species as well, because the Reaper war is a shared front that's threatning all life, and then I could see him being against this the entire game, but gets his Captain Qwark moment near the end where you're like "Hey, Udina wasn't actually so bad after all, he just needs a push to do what's right."

>>736724923
Shepard is not angry at Udina after the thing is done. You are free to pick him as council member.

This anger at the *injustice* at being treated with anything less than kid's gloves by the story (and Udina) lies solely with the entitled gamer

>>736725189
That's because that entire scene before the credits where you pick the councilors is like some lucid fever dream. If you killed the Council and just get to insert humans instead, it's basically a coup and no way the aliens will just watch that happen. So you have to take those scenes with a grain of salt. They also originally didn't import into ME2. It was just sorta left there as sequel bait.

>>736703669
when I realized every mission is linear dogshit and every encounter is the most braindead cover shooting ever made

>>736704723
>biotics useless on shielded enemies as that just made biotics not very fun to use.
Just have a fren use overload on them

>>736705147
>>736709058
mindbroken

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>>736703669
When I saw this

>>736709560
Oh, no. He starts reasonably, that's how he hooks you in. Then he starts double posting, then he starts calling you schizo for calling it out, throws in the classic "take your meds" and stuff like that. So no, thank you.

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Never. Played. It looked like DEI slop to me as a kid. I could sniff western studio bullshit since the towers fell. I was born ti hate.

>>736723341
sci fi died when it stopped being made with Trek die hards in mind and same for games and "sex starved nerds" (aka nomal straight dudes)

Why has no one tried stealing Mass Effect's formula until very recently

>>736723648
ME2 sucks and it's made for JJ Trek-tards.
ME ended with ME1

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Im playing through andromeda cause its on game ass and morbidly curious, while I watch shit on my other screen.
I managed to make a decently cute Ryder. Yes I just used my phone to photo my screen, deal with it.

Did it get lots of updates and fixes since launch? Cause it seems to be running and playing fine to me. I like some of the assets of like the Nexus and outfits.
The shit writing (not just dialogue) and woke characters seems to be the only real issues so far.

So far Im not seeing how its any worse than Mass Effect 2 or 3

>>736728792
Most devs stole dialog/'karmachoices' system. Companions implementation is often borrowed from bioware games in general. There isn't much to steal from gameplay and mechanics.
Action adventure games in general kind of settled on this open world, yellow paint platforming, crafting, item level loot, story, RPG progression TPS style formula instead.

>>736707551
There's a couple of people doing that thing.
I'm one of them but I'm not the only one, clearly, based on your post

>>736729079
Main attraction of the trilogy are the characters. And the attempt at an overarching main story. Both of those a very weak in Andromeda. While the gameplay is the best in the series, it's bogged down by boring longass exploration, grindy crafting and unlocking. Presentation, like animation, shadows, bugs etc, was the main thing that got addressed in the patches. But it was way too late.
Terrible launch got multiplied by bland as fuck entertainment value of plot and characters. It'd mind-numbingly inoffensive and drawn out. Hard to care about anything that happens. In comparison, despite shortcomings, original trilogy is moving at a brisk pace, got a lot of exciting shit coming your way all the time.

>>736703669
I realized it was better than ME1 on my second playthrough.

>>736729398
>>There's a couple of people doing that thing
No, I'm certain that it is one person, because the moment I will call that person out for double posting, he stops double posting for a while, trying to keep up appearances, and then will start double posting again.
If you're here just to bait people into hateposting, I would like you to reconsider, because that causes burn out and decreases engagement. These debates do not benefit the games. For example, I think ME1 is a great game, that I came to appreciate way after it came out. On release it felt like playing KotoR again, which is also a great game, but it was a great game for 2004, not 2007. But this fanbase that will shit on anything else on the franchise, because the shitty maps aren't there, or for the cooldown guns were removed, can fuck right off, and has actively made me dislike ME1 way more. Furthermore, these people will not, for a second, consider any positive for any games, and will also shit on ME2 excessively, just because it's popular. These people would rather play Concord than ME2, one would think.

>>736729904
>weak characters and story
so 2 and 3

>>736730071
Fine. If Trilogy characters are cardboard cutouts, Andromeda is a discarded cum napkin on the floor of your bedroom.

>>736730163
Your making the mistake of lobbing 2 and 3 in with 1.
1 is the only truly good game in the franchise. The characters of 2 and 3 arent just cutouts, theyre garbage.

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>>736730334
Yes they are.
Youre preference for generic memes, and sourced from a movie or tv show reveals your tastes. You prefer mass audience apealing theater and capeshit. Which is why you like 2 and 3.

You are of a lower intelligence tier and thats fine, but your opinions on quality arent to be taken seriously.

>>736703669
Press x for good action
Press y for evil action

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>>736730263
>>1 is the only truly good game in the franchise. The characters of 2 and 3 arent just cutouts, theyre garbage.

I guess jokes on me for trying to engage honestly. Should have kept away after seeing that phone screenshot. Fucking underage too, it seems.

I just found Alec Ryders room and there was a Normandy SR2 model.

Lol how very telling

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>>736730537
Liara is better in 1 but that's it. Wrex, Garrus, Tali were mostly just exposition dumps for their races. In ME2 they didn't have to pay that cost and so the characters could be more developed, plus the characters have a lot more screentime. That's the whole point of ME2, 75% of the game is the character vignettes.

Everyone loved ME2 when it came out - yes, everyone hated the main plot, but that was 15% of the game - it's only hated retroactively because all the flaws of ME3 were seeded in ME2, but of course no one knew that at the time.

>>736730517
I hate this.
Couldn't they just let actions speak?

>>736730035
You're describing several different posting styles and attack vectors as well as post-discussion baiting like "take your meds schizo" and lumping them all into one person.

I most certainly have argued against me2 in threads like these but i don't recognize many of those styles of post. Hence there are multiple posters all working towards one goal: making you crazy.

>>736730757
>all the flaws of ME3 were seeded in ME2
I patently disagree.

>>736730926
>>You're describing several different posting styles and attack vectors as well as post-discussion baiting like "take your meds schizo" and lumping them all into one person.
He is one person, he has admitted to being that person. If you want to say he lied, you have to prove it.

>>736730537
you can be mad and samefag all you want. youre not going to win this argument

>>736730638
>i want to engage honestly, hes such a fucking underage
>is the first to resort to memes, anger, and withdrawing from conversation.
Ok lil zoom zoom

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>>736731020
>I patently disagree.
who asked? also you want to say "I vehemently disagree". patent means obvious. you obviously disagree? how is that obvious? ESL retard

>>736731020
It sounds like you're being trolled buddy. I already explained that I've played the role of "loud critic of me2" in these threads

>>736730757
Al lthe other Krogans were worse than Wrex, Tali was great and Garrus became a steretype in 2, where he's some sort of batman.
ME1 has the best cast and could only be improved by adding mordin.

>>736730757
>Everyone loved ME2 when it came out
that happens always when 1st entry create hype for the IP because it's very good, then everyone jumps on the hype train with the 2nd one, which is always more casual friendly but also higher budget and refined in place that often weren't the point of 1st entry, and all you hear are the voice of newcomers who like it best because it's their first [now famous IP] and entry point, and see the real deal as a primitive version or don't play it at all

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>>736731104
>you obviously disagree? how is that obvious?
One would wonder, how could one obviously disagree.
Perhaps you should work on your English, instead of calling others ESL. You patently don't know how the language works.

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>>736731106
Well, then you are that person.

>>736731281
As I said there are several

>>736731310
This has been proven, and admitted, to being a singular person suffering from ME2 derangement syndrome.

>>736731136
Mordin is a bad character. Don't like him much at all.

Much prefer the salarian commando guy from 1

Mostly because Mordin is a bleeding heart liberal

>>736731365
Post proof. Go through posting styles. I'm guessing you have a bunch of pics and catalogues of your online opponents. Show me the data. I can point out my own posts among the bunch based on diction etc

>>736731224
>"I obviously disagree, who has made no argument."
>ESL doubling down
I bet you think decimate is an synonym for obliterate
just take the L ESL tard nigger

>>736703669
2>1>3

>>736730757
>mass effevt 2 characters
>depth
>development
oh now were really delusional.
they gave each party member a missionz but also way less dialogue. the dlc characters dont even have proper conversations. so the idea that me2 is character focused isnt really true, 1 still does that better.
even if you did want to say me2 is character focused, being focused on characters doesnt mean theyre good. someone mentioned underage, this shit right here is the type of logic actual teenagers use.
every me2 character is a 1 note stereotype. only thane and legion approach any amount of intrigue.
wrex has way more depth than grunt and their comparison is a good epitome when comparing 1 vs 2.
me2 characters are all writtem like capeshit super heroes, the best of x the best of y.
garrus in 1 was a police officer tired of regulations and shit. in 2 hes fucking batman
its cringe as fucking shit and aimed at 12 year olds.

if you like capeshit, wwe, and call of duty more than star trek, science fiction, and rpgs thats fine. but mass effect started with 1 as a science fiction rpg. it was not made for you mass audience children and your opinions about the series are not taken seriously because you have no understanding of anything more intellectually demanding than wrestlemania or guardians of the galaxy.

its like listening to someone try to tell you justin bieber is better than mozart or that the avengers is better than shakeseare. like sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up

>>736731150
>cope
ah yes, the argument tactic of "adults" lmfao

>>736731592
Yes, actually.

I first played through the Mass Effect games earlier this year and it really feels that /v/ is over blowing how bad ME2 and ME3 are.
I'm sure that at 2010 and 2012 standards the games felt subpar, but in relative terms, nowadays in 2026, games like ME1 - 3 quite literally don't exist anymore.
By that virtue alone I had a wonderful time playing through the games, despite the apparent flaws.

>>736731272
>i wont engage just post memes so i can sleep at night telling myself i won
its amazing how people still do this shit

>>736731536
>every me2 character is a 1 note stereotype. only thane and legion approach any amount of intrigue.
Those would have been my counterpoints so fair enough.

>>736731435
This has been proven ages ago.
This man has been going about it for years at this point.
Years of this deranged, mind broken individual, shitting on ME2 every chance he got. Where have you been? We've made it a point here on the ME threads of /v/ not to engage with his derangement, and you insisting on this shit, further proves that you are that person. So no, I will not engage with you further.

>>736731445
The argument is self evident. If you disagree, then that is your right, it is your opinion, but it is also wrong. Anyone that says the ME1 squadmates were better than the ME2 ones is a fucking moron.

>>736731536
ME1 was inspired mainly by Babylon 5, more so than Star Trek. You're a retard who can't even make his own point well.
ME1 characters are mostly exposition dumps for their races, ME2 characters are mostly characters. Zaeed and Kasumi are one note, sure. Most others aren't.

>>736731592
You are doing it again.

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>>736703669
From the start but it got worse the further I played it and then I realised the game doesn't have an actual story, it's sidequests: the game

>>736703669
The intro. Genuinely the most forced, unnecessary way to do a timeskip and all in service of being abke to handwave your decisions from the 1st game.

>mass effect 1 written by a science fiction writer who also wrote KOTOR
>mass effect 2 and 3 written by a comic book writer
all you need to know

>>736709058
>have anything above B tier at all
Biodrone.

>>736731767
See, is it is when you do shit like this, that people check out of the thread. Have fun seeing it die.

>>736729079
It isn't the 0/10 game people made it out to be. It suffers from the usual thing where the game has really obvious glaring flaws so it becomes okay to nitpick everything about it even if other games get a free pass for the same things. Mainly because nobody has actually played Andromeda.

My main problem with the game is just how inconsequential everything seems to be. As you move through the plot nothing really matters, side quests that seem like they could affect a lot of things are forgotten immediately, even main plot points aren't treated as the game-changers they seem to be at first. Even your own actions like making planets habitable aren't affecting much (mainly because you can do that just by doing the main plot and activating the planetary thing, so all your other good deeds there seem even less impactful) It's like the game is a collection of disconnected points that you travel through and then it just ends and you wonder why they even bothered making it.

>>736703669
When I played it one and a half decade ago

>>736723316
I wouldn't say they fully change the guns. High ex is definitely fun and one of the best aspects of mass effect 1s combat but you dont even get it for half the game on a fresh save and most of the other mods dont do much. 3 definitely has the best weapon variety though 1 has some fun options too

>>736703669
Going directly from me1 to me2 in the legendary edition instantly destroyed all positive feelings I had for this game from when I was younger. Idk how I ever thought this was a better game than ME1.

>>736710149
>Insanity difficulty only
>cheat for max paragon/renegade points so you can freely roleplay properly
>use default head for Shepard
that's all you really need.

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>>736703669

The moment you walk into the space prison to get Jack and you realize the entire environment is layered out like a Gears of War shooting gallery designed by a child's brain.

Once you see it, the rest of the environments all look the same. They completely did away with the RPG mechanics from the first game to bloat the narrative and third person shooter aspects of the second.

>>736731536
>every me2 character is a 1 note stereotype
>posts examples of ME1 characters being one note stereotypes
Saying that Wrex has any sort of depth is just icing on the cake. Good bait.

>>736731728
>um acksully ita more like a tham b so i dismiss youre whole argument.
Focus on choice of meaningless example thats not part of the core argument and declare victory. This retarded shit is why I never come or engage here anymore, this teenager argument tactic got old 10 years ago.
>most others arent
Grunt KILL KILL FIGHT
Mordin LE SCIENCE XD

Like I said, onky thane and legion are remotely interesting. Even thane is le heckin assassin badass which is childish capeshit nonsense no different than the me3 cringelord character.
His design, voice, and terminal illness do a lot of heavy lifting but its not really utilized all that well.

Saying 2 has good charavters is just a nonstarter.

>>736703669
I realized it was shit when it actually had good gameplay

>>736732059
>Mordin LE SCIENCE XD
Stopped reading there. You're either incapable or unwilling to argue in good faith. Mordin is universally regarded as one of the best characters of the trilogy.

>>736732024
>wrex is one note, just as much as grunt
You could not have said something that better demonstrates your poor understanding of writing.

>>736732132
>hes good because people say he is
Convincing argument. Im sure reddit loves his gay song.
Singing and speech style is not depthfil character. Do not confuse the two

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>>736705147
Fixed

>>736732157
>just as much
Grunt has more depth than Wrex. Fucking obviously since he isn't 70% Genophage lore dump AND outright tells you the correct opinion on it so you don't have to think about it too much.

I haven't played it since it leaked before release.

>>736732247
Mordin is the character that embodies the moral complexity of the genophage, which is possibly the most interesting moral quandary in the entire series. Have you even played these games?

>>736731367
I like his dilemma a lot, not necessarily the execution.

>>736731457
>JJ trek > Babylon 5 > nuTrek
that's what you just said

>>736703669
Every aspect of ME2 is done better by either ME1 or ME3.

Also learning how the “Hold the line” system in the suicide mission actually works is rage inducing with how retarded it is.

>>736703669
it was always drivel for 360 brogamers

I hate biotards, one of the best things that happened in gaming was bioware going to shit and seeing their fanboys take L after L

The entire series was shit.

>>736703669
>thermal clip

>>736732059
Actually I forgot about Mordin, his arc is really good.

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>>736731536
This

>>736731642
It's not bad per se.
It's a fun mindless tps
It's awful as a continuation to ME1

>>736732759
samefag

>>736731789
It shows

>>736732371
>FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT WAAAAR

>>736703669
The combat felt bland in 1, so a friend recommended I skip to 2 to give that a shot, while the combat improved a bit I quickly realized I also just kinda hate the dialogue writing. It made me realize that starting somewhere around KotoR, Bioware's writing had been nosediving into this annoying style.

>>736732132
>>736732419
There's no complexity in the genophage.
It is depicted as objective evil with no real proponents for its continuation

The audience is primed to despise it by introducing two sympathetic characters that want it gone (wrex mordin)

Had mordin been this friendly salarian guy that also thought the genophage was great and was its main architect, you could say there's conflict and a dilemma.

Not as it stands. Which is why mordin is an example of cowardly writing and why me2 sucks. He's such a gimme

>>736733809
>It is depicted as objective evil with no real proponents for its continuation
Other than Shepard getting to choose whether or not to continue it, of course.

>>736732419
The Genophage was morally complex in ME1 when it just stopped them having kids and the issue was Krogan fatalism causing them to die out. In 2 they changed it to a thing that causes women to constantly shit out dead babies so Malon and Mordin could be appropriately tortured by what they did to all these poor innocent mothers.

>>736733925
Non-argument. Try approaching what was actually written and formulate a response

>>736733809
that subplot could have really been helped by a character with valid counterarguments to ending the genophage
as it is is more or less presented as "why wouldn't you stop an unfair ongoing bioweapong genocide that makes children explode?" and, I mean, yeah... why wouldn't I?

How differently would have the mass effect sequels have turned had ea not bought bioware?

>>736735194
Considering half the studio left the day EA bought them, pretty differently.
Though they were still very limited by Unreal Engine 3 being hot garbage

>>736735194
Not exist. Bioware was in serious financial trouble and would've died there before EA stepped in

>>736735281
>implying there was or is an alternative to Unreal Engine

>>736735194
The whole trilogy thing came after EA bought them. Without them it would've been one-off game.

>>736735335
Bioware had their own engine and they used it for Dragon Age Origins.
They used UE3 because it was the new shitty toy and didn't know it was garbage before they were too deep to stop

>>736735456
You understand that ME1 came before DAO, right?

>>736735492
Fine, they had their own game engine and they used it for all of their other games before and after ME then.

>>736735291
I could see microsoft funding sequels or more games. Peter moore era xbox was pretty good about getting exclusives

>>736735426
yea the EA trilogy: ME2, ME3 and ME:A
Nothing of value would be lost

>>736703669
When Mass Effect 3 came out and had to drop a Deus Ex Machina on us in the first hour because this game did fuck all to serve the overarching narrative of the series.

ME2 isn't shit, though. It's just very superficial. Lots of cool set pieces and isolated moments, but filled with contrived writing like Shepard taking the entire team away for a random mission.

>>736735785
Me2 kinda sucks as a sequel and as whole of a trilogy but its also probably the best one.

>>736703669
when I played it for the first time. I was absolutely shocked at how much worse the writing was compared to the first game. it's so fucking embarrassing at how steep the dropoff is so suddenly

Everything bad about me3 started in me2. Me2 is pretty good though. Me3 kinda feels like big dlc expansion rather than a full new thing

I like me2 but I've never understood the love for the suicide run at the end

>>736736628
I've never seen anyone praise it that much. Actually I just see people complaining about a few things, namely a couple of choices that you can argue don't make sense and also there being failstates not immediately shown after your choice.

>>736735587
There was still no real alternative to Unreal since about 1998.

>>736736628
That's like the only good part of the game.

>>736705509
Based. ME3 sucks and it's not because of the ending. I played through ME2 At least 3 times. I loved that game. I didn't make it more than 2 hours in ME3 because of how awful it was. I liked playing 2 as a third person tactical shooter, using team member abilities all manually, setting up combos and being careful. 3 was just a shitty action game where you spam your shit constantly.

>>736736628
Man I remember how they hyped up that shit
>You're going to have to make difficult choices and leave people behind
>actual mission just ask you who you want to put on some mission and it's obvious who you pick. You'll assign DPS for attack, tank for defense, tech guy for tech stuff
>Boss is absolute ass as well
Amazing

>>736703669
bioware has always made shitty moviegames

>>736703669
I thought it's shit when I first played it but it grew on me. it got rid of dogshit rpg features and became what it what supposed to be from the beginning - a third person shooter

>>736737408
>still assmad that nobody likes ME3

>>736710149
1, 2 and 3 all have some worth to them and are worth playing. Sentinel is best class.

First off, I just want to point out that Jade Empire is Bioware's best game.

>>736703669
First playthrough when every location ended with a debrief screen after a linear action mission. Not that the ME1 maps were well designed, but it did give a sense of open-world aspects, and there was interactivity and changes to the hub sections of locations after the primary mission there was resolved.

One thing ME2 did well was that you did actually act as a starship captain, where your decisions and effort to assemble a crew did directly effect the ship, it's potential, and events of the end mission. The first ME game made a big scene about you becoming a captain of a starship but it did nothing but transport you to quest locations to be a standard RPG.

>>736703669
When I saw bullets fly at a speed visible to the naked eye.

>>736703669
It's not shit, but it's the weakest of the three for sure.

>>736741710
Me3 is literally just worse me2 with a roll

>>736743028
The gameplay in in 3 is better and it has a really fun multiplayer.