What kind of person, upon seeing this gay shit, would think,> "This is going make me a ton of money!"And then pay $2 million just to have it made.
Women and gays
lightning? bottled.
blast? had.
>we want the fortnite audience *makes Concord*>we want the fortnite audience *makes Marathon*>we want the fortnite audience *makes Horizon Hunters Gathering*When will Sony fucking learn that they all went to Roblox?
>>736706884Bungie was already working on Marathon when Snoy bought them, too. Maybe it was a different time since Destiny wasn't dead yet.
Retards that don't know shit about video games.
of all their games, i truly did not expect marathon to cost 200 millionbut then again, concord also cost 200 million, which is insane
>>736706884Bungie: A $3.5 bi piece of trash.
>>736707452>concord also cost 200 millionI remember it was 400 million.Concord was a huge disaster.
>>736706884God I miss hanging out on Seventh Column and Subnova
>>736707530the game itself was 200 million, and the studio was also 200 million. so in total, 400 million for the whole thing.
>>736707530common mistake.Firewalk got 200million for seed money of starting a studio and making a game. So the original 200 million includes office space, equipment, hiring bonuses, concepting, PoC'ing, etc...They ran out of money and pitched it to Sony.Sony then gives them 200 million to finish up whatever slop they had (Concord)
>>736707452>>736707606>>736707670I still remember that *Skeletons & Bones* cost Ubisoft $850 million.It is the biggest failure in the human history of entertainment.It is also the main reason Ubisoft is on the brink of bankruptcy.
isnt it funny how two companies were fighting over who got halo, and both will never get the glory days back since xbox got vibe coded by street shitters and snoy got scammed by poor replacements?
>>736707764Skull and Bones cost $200m, but that could just be what Ubisoft put in and it was several hundred million more of money from Singapore's government.Concord still holds the crown for the most expensive single bomb in all of media, with some big movie (John Carter or Jupiter Ascending, maybe) in the #2 spot.
>>736706884look, I know sony is extremely rich, but surely even they aren't so rich they can just keep wasting hundreds of millions like that, right?
If this game was so good, why couldn't organic word of mouth from the players save it?
>>736708059Cool it with the hate speech, chuddie.
>>736708059>this same guy gave Crimson Desert a 6and they say sony doesn't buy off journalist
>>736706884The foundational idea of selling the company, is that some sucker entity value the brand so much that they would A)pay the founders to not workB)pay the remainder to keep fuck around headless, free to leave now that existential financial responsibility is not practiced. The right thing is to stay clear of the falling building until the rubble is settled and pick through the liquidation rubbish. A large company with enough sucker purchases will be dragged down with them too.
gunplay? solid
>>736706884And they failed to count marketing on that, I heard the retarded twitch peanut was paid at least two million to shill for this stupid game
>>736706884maybe they are going to stealth drop destiny 3 soon?
>>736708310The only thing they are dropping soon is employees.
>>736708276he said he plays it off stream stupuid chud
>>736707452>>736707530$200m would just be the actual game btw, not marketing.
>>736708341Oh, I'm sure.
>>736707859>it was several hundred million more of money from Singapore's government.Yeah. I remember the Singaporean government officially warned Ubisoft because development was taking too long. They said, "Either release the game or face a lawsuit and pay for all the damages."This sent Ubisoft's executives into a panic, forcing them to cobble together a bunch of junk into a game.It wasn't fun at all.An indie pirate game was released today, and it looks way better than Ubisoft's trash.https://youtu.be/UXkodYXZC4Y?si=9ukR79GlaE5kac54
>>736707764>This complete disaster of a directionless game that didn't appeal to anyone in any genre >Some indie fucks are making a Valheim but Pirate themed game called Windrose and its already popular as shit Lol. Ubishit incompetence is amazing.
>>7367083411-he's lying, he wants more corpo money2- he was PAID to play the game, admitted it himself, rumors say it was at least 2 millionNow imagine if they paid 2 mill just for this guy, how much more they burnt trying to advertise this turd
>>736708402Skull and Bones just seemed like a big scam to get some money while also letting a bunch of Ubisoft execs take lavish vacations in Singapore a few times a year. I'm surprised Singapore didn't sue their asses badly, because that citystate is a fintech hub for SEA and definitely have money enough to sic expesnive lawyers on your ass
>>736708341They say he was paid millions, he OBVIOUSLY want to be paid more in the future
>>736708402There's a demo for it. Its not mindbreakingly good but its solid. Reasonable combat and a simple progression system (you clear an island, move onto the next, clear that, get upgrades/unlocks/rinse and repeat) with base building and ship combat/boarding. But its the fact that such a simple game is all people wanted and Ubisoft can't even do that which is amazing.
>>736708001>they can just keep wasting hundreds of millions like that, right?Sony spent $3.6 billion to acquire Bungie they have absolutely no taste or brains.
>>736708647I mean Sony as a whole probably took a hit, 3, 6 billion is no small amount, they are also laying off people, would be surprising if their gaming division is not hit
>form: returned>blast: had>vision: uncompromising>bones: solid>hooks: sunk>fundamentals: strong>cook: ing>loop: addicting>play: must>haul: long
>>736706884i'm starting to think i could make a career out of being a consultant and just looking at all their projects and going "yep" or "nope" and they pay me half the budget if it's a nothey'd end up saving money even if i get a hundred million
>>736708804>>hooks: sunkkek, this one is my favoritedIM HOOKED!
>>736708570>Ubisoft can't even do that which is amazing.I believe this is the result of bureaucracy.Ubisoft is too bloated; every creative idea has to be reviewed by dozens of senior executives who don’t even play games.They don’t play games at all, yet they love to critique every single piece of content.This has caused development to slow down drastically, and a lot of great content has been cut.I remember the game originally had a Cthulhu DLC.In the end, the game was scrapped and rebuilt from scratch, and the Cthulhu content was gone.https://youtu.be/NbjV3JlLb84?si=kiUtWCfoPJVaCsxM
>>736707452>>736706884The real lesson is to MOVE THE FUCK OUT OF SEATTLE AND SAN FRAN!!!FUCKING MOVE!!!!!!!!!GET OUT OF THERE!!!!!!!!!!!Literally everything would be 200% more profitable if you JUST LIVED LITERALLY ANYWHERE ELSE!!!
>>736708792>would be surprising if their gaming division is not hitGood news: PSN and PS5 consoles have gone up in price again.
>>736707452literally, how do you spend over 200 million in a couple of cinematics, some character models and weapons, and a handful of maps?
>>736706884>$3.6 billion plus $200+ million tiplmao-ing at SIE
>>736709106just having 1 employee in LA will net you a loss of 100k a year minimum. building space rental, utilities, tax, plus what other obscene fees needed to run a business there adds up
>>736706884sony closing down bungie will be the funniest shit ever
>>736709041>I believe this is the result of bureaucracy.I would 100% believe it. I can't imagine anything else that could sink a company this effectively year after year.
>>736709106>>736709382>100k a year * 5 years>500k>500k * 200 employees>$100m in five years just from salaries The solution to all this is really simple. Don't hire so many people. One person can make a successful game, a small handful can make fantastic games. You don't need entire corporate offices of drones.
>>736708059Its a hardcore extraction shooter, ya dumb fuck. No matter how good the core gameplay is, Casuals just dont like losing progress, so naturally they get filtered.>but Arc Rai—That game has Aggression Based Matchmaking, High TTK, and Safe Pockets, This one is KoS. So imagine trying to do a quest across the map that only completes if you exfil successfully with this low of a TTK. Yeah, impossible. Shit ive been stuck on one myself for over a month now. FUCK PARASITISM.
>>736706980im a faggot and this shit doesn't even appeal to mevandal is hot though(with a cock obviously)
>>736708276I'm more surprised they didn't paid for Hololive to stream their game.
>>736708059>unapproachable, unforgiving, offputtingly creepy, with a playerbase of violent goblins who exist solely to bash your face in with a brick>gave it a 9/10>pikachuface.jpg when people dropped it because of exactly thatthe reviewer is a woman isn't it
>>736710861A lot of these companies went full retard during Covid with their hiring. Very few companies these days have a sane upper management set up and for years they coasted on gamers just buying anything and raising prices but they are all tapped out of that shit and games are shit now. Chinese companies also stopped investing probably realizing they can flat out own many of these companies if they just wait. We are going to see so many corporations fail due to their retarded nepo leaders having no competence very soon
>>736706884hello woke chuds, how is everyone today?
>>736706884It wasn't 350 millions???Are the seething faggots actually trying to cope with the fact that the game is not the next Concordian Title?
So if they already have the engine and know what the characters and environments look like would it have really been THAT much of a herculean effort for a rudimentary 6-8 hour campaign? Since it's based of a fucking game from the mid 90s especially. Just seems lazy desu.
HOLY SHIT LINE WENT UPMARATROONSISTERS WERE SO BACKBLASTING OFF100k BY TOMORROW
>>736711006>FUCK PARASITISMAre you doing it solo?You need to find some faggots and do it as a team. Piss ez contract if you ask me.
If any shills say that Marathon is somehow more hardcore than Tarkov remember them that their game literally has aim assist as weapon status kekAnd it's so blatant that it makes the game look like Borderlands
>>736709072But anon... That's where all of the talent is...Washington and California... You can't find talent anywhere else... Do you want videogames to die...?
>>736706884If you gave the white male nerds that made halo that kind of funding they’d give you the best shit you’ve ever played.
The damage Jim Ryan did to the video game industry is perhaps the biggest act of industrial sabotage in human history.He was the one who destroyed Snoy as a console because he hated Japanese games despite Playstation being a Japanese game device.He was the one who demanded a baker's dozen extraction shooters with character design SO interchangeable that nobody even knows which game they came from. Also each one of them cost hundreds of millions (99% of the budget is being embezzled though no doubt)As for Jim Ryan? He retired, rode off in to the sunset in his convertible, fat sacks full of money beside him, laughing at the sychophant ass-licker Herman Hulst who caught the blame for Jim's management decisions.
>>736708276>twitch peanutWith each passing day I become more convinced we are living through biblical endtimes
>>736712568I don't think these guy intend to sabotage things I think their brain works more like "what can I do to ensure my retirement money even if it's a bad idea long term"
>>736706884KILL and RAPE bungie.
>>736712086>remember them thatspelling mistake or esl, you lose
>>736707379Never considering they bought Bungie for 3.6 billion dollars
>>736711989250M budget100M in marketing>B-but what marketing?3 weekends of sponsored streamers and one week of Vtubers shilling it
>>736713536>100M in marketing>3 weekends of sponsored streamers and one week of Vtubers shilling itbreak these numbers down for me, how much is each sponsored streamer making?
>>736707379moving from japan to california was the best thing sony ever did. fucking KINO
>>736712568> He was the one who demanded a baker's dozen extraction shootersMarathon was in development before Sony acquired them. The number of other extraction shooters Sony has been involved with is exactly zero.Everything that rolls off your fingers is unmitigated bullshit.
>>736706884It truly is wild to see. This game makes it hard for me to even go back to Destiny because of the quality of the gunplay, builds and map design of Outpost and Cryo and people are just mocking things that are truly top notch because it is the fad now. You can have criticisms about the core loop and difficulty of people stomping you down, but quality? Nah, and the reviews both critical and user back that up.
>>736712863based
>>736714223>quality of the gunplayEVERYSINGLETIME
>>736714836What do you expect? They fired the based CEO as he vocally abused troons in the office and replaced him with valorant man.
>>736714836i still dont understand why people.jerk off bungie gunplay so muchis it just console players
>>736714223why don't people that bought the game play it then? it's been out for a month
>>736714949yes, unreal did it better on PC ages before bungie praised for it's gun
>>736709072At that point you might as well just be a remote studio. You aren't going to find 100 devs in the middle of nowhere let alone ones able to make anything decent.They'd just leave for better tech jobs.
>>736714005Marathon was in development hell and saw multiple iterations no?
it isn't trash
>>736714949It was cool in pve in destiny and halo because enemies had weak points that could be exploited and that makes killing stuff a bit more fun. It's a simple thing but when it's there it's nice to haveBut idk why they praise pvp gunplay in any bungie game. I've never found halos PvP combat particularly good until halo 4And I didnt enjoy destiny pvp at all outside of gambit
>>736715324>I've never found halos PvP combat particularly good until halo 4Faggot identified.
>>736708059If you crop that pic just right it becomes indistinguishable from escape from tarkov shilling
>>736706884Western game development is nothing but a grift and money laundering, 200 million for 3 maps and bungie already had an engine and assets, they stole the rest from the girl.it's a paycheck for 5 years then the studio gets shut down, repeat.
>>736711063They did.
What's funny is that playtesters told Bungie what is wrong with their game but they didn't listen.
>>736707452Unironically where did all that money went to? It has at the moment 3, I want to say 4 maps and they are not like huge maps either. A xbox 360 game called Frontlines had maps to put Battefield to shame while Marathon maps are about the size of a Bf4 map more or less.I mean there is publicity costs of which I have seen no ads IRL like for games like GTAV or Elden Ring.There is 4K, and devs have stated 4K is a massive bloat. At this point if making a game 4K DOUBLES your game budget to appeal to like 5% of the playerbase, maybe it is not worth chasing, not to mention 4K is still a meme since 4K displays and GPUS cannot simultaneously max out a modern game and play on 4K without DLSS which is just smart upscaling, and since that exist maybe just stop making games for 4K displays?As for enemies, the AI is braindead like in COD. Doom Eternal still got the best and most advanced enemy scripting in videogames, still well beyond From Soft, therefore it is a MP centric game which cuts on the need for smart enemies. So again, why did this piece of shit cost more to make than Tf2? Which released with more maps and more game modes since the game is just geometry, boundaries and spawn points. Anyone should be able to recreate Marathon on UE and Unity with ease.>Muh Lego Nerf artstyleThey did not even PAY the artists either.What type of scam is Bungie running or is AWS bullshit that fucking expensive? At which point just fucking kill that shit and allow people to run their own servers. I read that AWS is what killed Highguard or Highground, or whatever that DOA game was called.
>>736715484Ya ik I'm really against the grainI've played every halo up until 4 but I was more into quake unreal and cod
>>736706884200million and it looks like crap.
>>736715717Do people who watch vturbers buy games? I always felt they were smelly hindus and pakis that have to choose between recognition through subs or doing literally anything else with their lifes.It is like Twitch drops.>Here watch 5 hours of this fucking faggot to earn goodies for a game you already own and could be playing and don't try using a headless browser or we'll fucking know.What is the logic here?
>>736707859>UbisoftSo their Star Wars game was kinda a failure. So they give the people who played it DLC content? Or are they like "you gave us the money, though luck".
>>736710861The problem is that only big projects attract investors. The idea that you can do something better with less money is alien to those billionaire neanderthals
>>736708059Nothing is creepy about random computer graphics. Maybe if you have no clue and are scared of downloading a virus. >>736708115
>>736716014>billionaire neanderthals
>>736707452Probably wouldn't have cost so much if one of their hack devs didn't steal art that resulted in lawsuits lol
>>736716014The first part of your post is correct, the second isn't.Investors want to ride the latest faggy fad and make tons of money fast through scams. Much like porn addiction, there is gambling addiction and 16 years of crypto bullshit and economic bubbles have made investors dopamine addicted retards that only get hard when line goes up and use the money on hookers and blow.All these new gen millionaires and crypto bros burn their cash fast, most of them will end on shambles when the ride ends because they keep burning bridges and they don't know what a sound investment looks like to the point that most of them not even hoard land nor metal.Basically our hobby is dying so some fat balding fuck can bang underage girls in asia.
>>736715943Yes, but it's not like you can drop any piece of shit in front of them to play it. it's a complete mismatch. >>736715810Salaries. Bungie is incredibly bloated and slow at creating content. Their destiny track record shows it. Look at the game credits to show how they're allocating their manpower.
>>736712012>would it have really been THAT much of a herculean effort for a rudimentary 6-8 hour campaign?Seems so, based on how much it takes them to get basic destiny shit out.
>>736712568Sony ruined themselves by going all in with Live service. Xbox ruined themselves by being retards. Nintendo is doing fine by doing their own thing. Next gen will be rough for both Sony and Xbox with how expensive their consoles will be.
Why is everyone making such a huge deal with this game?Journalists talk about it a lot, /v/ talks about it a lot.Its a niche game with a tiny playerbase.
>>736716280>Yes, but it's not like you can drop any piece of shit in front of them to play it. it's a complete mismatch.Pretty sure they get paid for exactly that. Just pretend to have fun since their whole schtick is to be kawaii uguu and react.But that is not the point, what I am putting into question is to whether there is any conversion coming in from streaming since people who watch games are clearly NOT playing them and streamers NEVER interact with their audience in game, at most some get a chance if they donate enough money and have passed through a filter.For example, I have never bought a game because I saw some faggot streaming it.
>>736707452sony's just flushing money down the drain huh
>>736715943Yes. The Suika game took off thanks due to Hololive. There was another game Q Remastered that the creator thank Hololive. It was mainly played on the Switch version.https://store.steampowered.com/app/2246110/Q_REMASTERED/
>>736716750chuds are winning the culture war by making marathon the most discussed game of 2026
>>73670745290% of video game development costs are just the salary for the employees. It shouldn't be a surprise for any game made in America, especially places like California or Washington, to have mega high $100-300 million budgets for a single AAA game.
>>736711903>grab 3 red keys on Outpost>my team dies from severe retardation and disconnect immediately before I revive them>alright, just hide in a corner, wait for a team to open Pinwheel, wait until they're done looting and killing each other, sneak in in the last 5 minutes, open the red vault, then fuck off>wait for 15 minutes>nobody opens Pinwheel for fuck's sake
How much players do they need to keep the servers up? Are they gonna shut it down and refund everyone again?
>>736707256
>>736716750Its a niche game MADE BY BUNGIE
>>736711195its called getting filtered
It has a quarter fewer players than when it launched over a month agoBased on that, and given that sales on PC are higher than on PS5, like Helldivers 2, the number of players on PS5 must be even lowersteamdb.info/app/3065800/charts/
Video game developers are afraid of losing their jobs and you're laughing? Who do you think makes those game you enjoy?
>>736717374>Who do you think makes those game you enjoy?The Japanese
>>736717374>Who do you think makes those game you enjoy?People 20 years ago that the new developers canceled
Reminder Destiny nade HALF A BILLION BUCKS on launchhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/technology/wp/2014/09/11/activisions-destiny-ships-500-million-in-one-day/
>>736717106I think they'll keep it up for awhile even when it bottoms out at a handful of dedicated fans just as a PR move. Taking another game down is way too big of a hit right now. They'll just lose money over it while moving all the staff somewhere else.
>>736717374>Who do you think makes those game you enjoy?certainly not this subhuman
>>736706884>erm it's bad because IT JUST IS OKAY>no I didn't play it but all the Gamer grift xitter accounts said so
>>736716793nigger shut the fuck upsuika game took off on jap twitter long before your vtwhores picked it up
>>736716531they're gonna be PREMIUM consoles for real gamers. never mind that people are spending less money on games these days, im sure we wont get fucked
>>736706884Tell you what, Trev, I'll buy the game just so I can get me some of that court money.
>>736718024>TrevNew boogeyman dropped?
I bought it last week and I've been enjoying it, but it sucks that this game isn't doing too well. I really don't want it to die because I think it has potential to grow into something even more awesome down the line.The progression loss is a real issue that I think is driving away players. To make a similar comparison there's Elden Ring, but even though that game was hard death didn't come with as much progression loss. I know this is part of the design for extraction shooters, but I think if they find a way to balance the risk for newer or more casual players while still allowing advanced players to have a challenging game they would be doing a lot better.Maybe they could do this by having a training/campaign mode where players can play against AI-bots. The AI in this game is already pretty good and sometimes on par with players. So you could have AI mode for lower level or casual players to grind for gear. But make it so that the gear in this mode is below blue. And Cryo Archive would not be available in this mode. The reason I suggest this over something like adding more free kits is because part of the frustration people have is the feeling of losing. By having a mode where they can attain gear and feel like they're winning something you're using positive reinforcement to retain their interest in the game while also teaching them how to play. The other issue is the art style. Personally I don't mind it, some stuff works and some stuff doesn't. But the stuff that is good makes it worthwhile for me. I wish the colors were a tad bit more orderly. Maybe something like ghost in the Shell SAC or Mirrors Edge.
>>736706884not counting the cost of the bungie acquisition into the budget feels wrong.they spent literal billions.
I played Titanfall 2 until its last update. I will keep playing even if the peak ccu is like 4kI feel like I'm a pioneer for good games people don't give a shit about until it doesn't matter anymoreFuck you /v/
>>736718280You could have been playing a massively popular and widely appealing mobile gacha, anon...
>>736718024I hope it passes as intended, funny enough because of RSS but there is a chance is only applicable to games that come out later or knowing the EU, this will somehow result in an extra tax because the EU will have to make a special commission to tell you which games may shut down later and have to put a sticker on it reminding you they will go offline someday only for Ubisoft and Activision to just make you read the TOS and EULA at a snail pace.
>>736718323There are so many chinks and brownoids here, that comment did not feel like a joke.
>>736708565there seems to be few more effective ways to waste money than giving them to a marketing department
>>736717980>erm it's bad because IT JUST IS OKAYIt's bad because Extraction Looter in the Pooper Shooter is a trite and boring game mode and it is THE only game mode available in the game when there is no excuse not have more.I have no idea when the industry abandoned TDM,CTF,Territories or F4A.>no I didn't play it but all the Gamer grift xitter accounts said soI did.It was shit.CPU is brain dead.T2K is super short and cheap.Everything is designed so you end up paying money for consumables one way or the other.The 100 guys playing at this point probably have maxed out their inventory since there are no other players to interrupt them.Dying in this game is fucking trash. Lose all progress, lose all consumables.
>>736708276>I heard peanut was paid at least two millionwhere'd you hear this, anon?
>>736718539>CPU is brain dead.This is how I know you didn't play the game you poser.
>>736708565Not knowing that streamers get paid to shill games is like not knowing wrestling and porn is fake.Even the likes of Moist Crtikal and Critical Drinker are obvious sellouts, that is the gig.
>>736718615Well I would love to post evidence but Steam for some fucking reason doesn't track demos or open betas. So you win this round marketer.But do they do anything outside surrounding you?
It’s a good game. Try it while you still can.
>>736718696They also take cover and dodge shit like a player does. They are especially a nuisance when fighting actual players since they actually deal damage instead of tickling you. It feels like they put some Destiny 2 enemies on gear
>>736708341Just like Raid Shadow Legends lol
Who talks like this?Especially here.
Lots of us hate Bungie but I honestly can't blame them for the game failing. Studios that millions of people despise regularly release successful games. The truth is Marathon is a pretty bad game in an oversaturated genre. It has nothing worth seeing, it's just $40 destiny, and that's why it failed.
>>736718859People who like video games and not consumed by culture war negativity
>>736718751maybe when its free to.. nah
>>736718784>They also take cover and dodge shit like a player does.That is really weak, especially if you compare it to Halo.
>>736718859Me.
>>736718897I haven't played Halo but compared to scavs in other extraction shooters they feel a lot tougher instead of bullet fodder
>>736718784>They also take cover and dodge shit like a player does.Truly revolutionary, Bungie has done it again
>>736717374Love the disingenuous attempt at trying to portray game devs as just one homogeneous blob. You see it on twitter all the time.Thats what got us into this shit position in the first place. Industry goons use it to hide their mediocrity behind actual good devs. CEOs use it to treat every dev as an interchangeable cogwheel to suppress wages and fire the old guard.Billions must die.
>>736719030It sounds basic but it's hard to explain how different the AI feels, I think it's just a combination of things. I also think the TTK on bots is higher than other players
>>736718871>The truth is Marathon is a pretty bad game in an oversaturated genre.$40 for 4 maps and a single game mode is criminal, especially when the mode in question is ass and came after another blunder and Bungie was very upfront with the monetization mode.Helldivers 2 released with more content despite being just a PVE game but it was a stress free game. The artstyle was amicable and speak to people starved for a good Halo type game. It attracted WH40K and Starship Troopers fans.Bungie should have made a basic single player game since, as removed as it is from the source material, it could still be a System Shock clone but Sony wanted a GaaS game in an environment where this model is capitulating or strictly mobile. Hell, Destiny mobile is causing Bungie to seethe because China did a better job than them.And here is the joke, this all happened because some fucking retard at Sony thought buying Bungie would be a form of revenge against MS for buying up A/B because Sony thought buying Bungie included the rights to Halo, something a child could have googled.
>>736717276well we already know that 80% of sales were on steam. I think we can safely say the player numbers are similar.so at low times, like last nights 7k, we can assume there is less than 10k players blasting along in marathon in the entire worldthe entire. fucking. world. but its ok. bungie is in it for the long haul.
>>736719129>ecause Sony thought buying Bungie included the rights to Halo?No it was part of their live service play. They bought like 10 developers at the same time. One of which was the concord people LOL
ResetEra has a 170 page discussion about this games CCU. WTFThose troons might be more obsessed with this game than even /v/
>>736707379Clones and trend-chasing has always been a thing in the vidya industry, but you used to be able to crank out a decent clone within a year or two. Now these projects have gotten so large and lengthy that by the time they get the game out the trend is played out and nobody cares.Then the people who ARE still interested in the genre have years of time and money invested in Fortnite/etc. that makes them very hesitant to leave it.
>>736717735the first give days of Destiny 1 it made 325m in revenue. Marathon has made around 40m in over a month. its really blastin off.
>>736719165>but its ok. bungie is in it for the long haul.I genuinely hope they are. The game is really interesting to me art and story wise and I hope they can turn things around content-wise. I think casuals are just dropping the game out of frustration with progression and dying
>>736718615The CPU enemies are braindead in the exact same way Dark Souls enemies are braindead.If you engage them on straight up level that the developer expects you they can provide a decent challenge. The second you put any thought into it everything breaks. Like holding a chokepoint and having them all stream in and you can kill them without even moving the mouse. (Opening pinwheel/secured resourse)The bosses in Overflow and Dorms are also insanely easy to cheese. Overflow is just standing outside the base and engage from range at multiple points. Dorms boss is hiding in a vent and shooting it while it shoots the wall above you. Or if you are running a trio and have an assassin, pop smoke and all 3 rush it with melee. It'll be stun locked and die before ever retaliating.
>>736719304I hope they are too so they keep spending money on trying to revive this corpse of a game
>>736719259I think Concord and Highguard genuinely broke people's brains, even harder than TORWe need asylums back. People are treating CCU's like it's the fucking stock market or horseracing
>>736718859When it's a literal meme based upon an article that was written about the game, schizo.
>>736706884All this talk and gravedancing on Bungie is making me look back at the history and think...Apparently that MATTER game WASN'T Marathon, and Luke Smith and another guy were working on 3rd person game coded Payback...Also some other incubation title might have been sent to another sony studio o algoMarathon started work around 18/19 and was headed by chris barret, which was fired for... dubious conduct... allegedly. I really REALLY want to know how substantiated that is, because Chris's description of his ideas for Marathon sound FAR more appealing and cool than the slop we got: Designed as a persistent server experience, a play space that would be repopulated by players and loot over time, events happening, players coming and going, full immersion, inspired by Age of Camelot in design.It sounds like an ambitiously based idea that could have been awesome- Mixing Destiny PvE with PvP, with more room for baked-in story potential if the game was more focused on exploration. Imagine exploring the whole marathon ship as a massive MASSIVE level, where you drop into different areas and explore, and leave, while other players also come and go, instead of the round based raid format on relatively small maps (even cryo comparatively). Now THAT could be really fucking cool- but no, we got 4 disconnected maps and PvP sweating (the persistent vers. could have had sweaty pvp too, it would still be more interesting).So they fired the guy who was thinking up that idea (chris), and we get the valorant guy and the current game. All in all? no hook, very poopy.So you're left with a Bungie with NOTHING. No incubation projects to pan out, only Destiny and Marathon, and a mad Sony breathing down their neck... Basically all they could do now is Destiny 3... but that's not new or exciting anyway (maybe turn it into the old-numarathon?)Like wtf? why didn't they make the cool vers. of mara? why all the dead ideas? Was Chris's firing legit?Does Jason Jones not give a fuck?
>>736719321How'd you get to level 100 so fast? I'm still level 46, do you only play trios?
I don't know why people still care about big studios like Bungie, Blizzard, etc. just because they made a good game 20+ years ago.All of the people who made those good games are long gone, and even if a few founders remain they are now in executive positions that don't actually work on the game in any meaningful way.
>>736719465>All of the people who made those good games are long goneNot really, there was a tweet by a Bungie dev a month ago replying to a guy saying the same thing with a list of names from the old guard working on the game. There is a lot of Halo designers on-board Marathon currently.This narrative feels good to people because it validates their feelings of nostalgia as something real.
>>736716954There are multiple ways into pinwheel without giving access to everyone else.Finding the 4 boxes around Destroyed wing, or the conveyance request and opening the elevator into Drone wing. Both of these skip the map wide notification that pinwheel is open.
>>736719427Kill shit and focus on completing tasks is the best advice I can give. The other part is be good at FPS games and generally win the majority of your fights.Loot does not matter, especially on the first two maps. Don't get bogged down wasting time fighting over blues and greens on perimeter like homeless people fighting over a coin in the street.
>>736719417I should add that I heard there were 3 other incubations besides matter (not including marathon)one was the one sent to bungie and maybe 2 others. Maybe one of them was Payback.After Bungie cancelled Payback, Luke Smith and the other dude who was working on it with him (forgot name) left Bungie, having been with bungie during Halo.Like genuinely I looked it up and Jason Jones, Co-founded the company, stupid faggot that he is, involved ofc in marty and staten being booted, killing D1 and Destiny's foundation imo, but still a co-founder... IS STILL THERELike idk if I co-founded a company, and eventually made it one of the most respected game developers in the West and in general I would at least try to save the legacy. But what am I saying? for many reasons he's a faggot, I just find it appalling the depths they'll fall to at this point.I really want to know what the fuck happened to all these incubation projects. It's crazy that at one point I aspired to work at bungie in my youth. Personally, after Destiny 1 faceplanted and dissapointed me I couldn't go back.
>>736715991DLC was still paid, you had to buy it. The only reason why Unity's DLC was free was because it was their buggiest game ever released on top of having horrific design decisions like needing to pay for a mobile app to get access to classic AC robes. People were raking them over the coals. Skull & Bones and Star Wars Outlaws were just wet farts by comparison. AC Shadows is like the only thing to even come close to the same controversy and even that was primarily due to Yasuke, not the game itself. The game itself actually improved a lot of the mechanics of the series, it's just that they went full retard making Yasuke playable.
>>736719417unrelated, but it would surprise me if the same kind of shit happened to Chris Barret at bungie given how they've had to pay settlements for wrongful firings in the past, and I've never heard more about it beyond alleged misconduct.picrel was a recent happening with Ex-bungie dev at 343/Halost who dealt with this over there; again, unrelated to bungie itself, but I could see Bungie doing something similar if they didn't like Barret or wanted to pivot Marathon's development to chase trends or different design.
>>736715943>Do people who watch vturbers buy games?Yes, otherwise backseating wouldn't be a thing>>736716764Your premise itself is flawed. If everybody thinks a game is shit but see your favorite vtuber pretend to like it for a paycheck you're not going to buy it. But if you hear from different sources that a game is good, and one of those sources is someone with similar taste to you showing you gameplay, you're more likely to give it a chance.
>>736706884>$200 millionThe game looks like garbage. Look at the levels. It's as if someone had to throw they few assets they have in a default map in the editor, because they forgot the boss is visiting this afternoon.
>>736720124>levelslol
>>736720124I think it looks cool
>>736720165you like dogshit
>>736719304It's the dead corpse of a long dead series they didn't do justice to. Even funnier bc it feels half-baked and severely lacks enemy variety or meaningful content (unlike it's more recent competitor desu).The story is cool, but only bc it was cool 30 years ago. The art is largely a departure (for better and worse), It's carried on the back of its forefathers with no self-justification for existing.>>736719321Are these unique bosses even really.. unique? are they just other variants of UESC or do they actually have unique AI and attacks? some combo of the two? Knowing Bungie it's def not a uniquely unique enemy, and is def probably part of the UESC bc godforbid having the pfhor or Compilers be regular enemies.
>>736720165The concept trailer was cool, but the actual game looks like some generic cartoon shader hero shooter. Plus all the mystery meat DEI characters.
>>736720224>mystery meat DEI characters.Well they're robots or something
>>736720224>DEI characters.please explain
>>736720273They're supposed to be some non binary gender bending humans with robot parts. Like forgetting what it is to be a man and such. So they're less man and more gay.In reality they'd become hypersexualized, but of course we can't have that.
>>736720268>>736720273Some of the robots have african faces. And the "female" ones have flat asses
>>736720205>It's the dead corpse of a long dead series they didn't do justice toI disagree. Cryo Archive is the most fun I've had playing a Bungie game by far, it's very reminiscent of the maze levels in the original, but of course /v/ doesn't play video games so you wouldn't know
>>736708415Windrose doesn't complain about capitalism in its opening cutscene so it's inferior game
Hey no one fucking cares man. Marathon is for the punks. It’s for the guys who have been around the block a few times and who grew up socking fascist fucks in the face with a skateboard. Stick to your flavor of the month slop while we keep blasting.
>>736720506>the maps are like the originalmaybe the gameplay should have been like the original. it probably would have sold more.
>>736720205The problem with them is that they are essentially the Boss version of various other enemy types and early on they are extremely easy to confuse for regular bots as they have near identical silhouettes to their much weaker variants. They do have unique mechanics and attacks which you only really see if you fight them straight up.Problem is, doing so creates noise which draws other players in; so your incentivised to cheese them and kill them as fast as possible.Melee rushing under smoke solves(or solved I haven't played in weeks) that and essentially skips all the mechanics.
>>736720549The original is a fucking doom clone you retard, what the fuck do you mean by 'gameplay'?
>>736719417>Age of Camelot in designlike what, new frontiers? would never work on bungo engine, multiple square kilometers maps with hundreds of players roaming, sounds interesting, but knowing bungo they'd fuck it up with their incompetence somehow
>>736720363>They're supposed to be some non binary gender bending humans with robot parts.you just made that up?they're shells made from silk, 3d printed by weave worms on a ship owned by Sekiguchi Genetics orbiting Tau Ceti IV. no mention of non binary anywhere in the game.
We are so close on getting Myth III
>>736720601>wtf do you mean!?>just make a doom clone!?yes. like a modern doom clone, like Bethesda publishes. with single-player. where you genuinely confused by a simple statement?
>>736708804But the lightning wasn't bottledThat's where they failed
>>736720505>Some of the robots have african faces. And the "female" ones have flat assesone of the shells has an african face but he also has a white british accent, so that a win for colonialism.as for the female asses, they're shells, not one for one replications off human bodies.
>>736717980>Gamer grift>the "grift" is to save me moneywhat
>>736720704Did Myth 1 and 2 inspire any copycats? I'd love a Myth 3 enough to give Bungie money. Such a unique vibe in playstyle and, to some degree, storytelling compared to anything else I've played.
>>736717980grifting means to make money dishonestly. The only ones who can grift are the ones shilling a garbage product to trick idiots into wasting money.Warning people about a piece of garbage is not grifting. Learn language zoomoid.
>marathon was 200 millions + 3.6 billions that it took to buy bungie>a game with less than 30k players was more expensive than gta 6let that sink in
>>736721159It doesnt even account the marketing budget too lol
>>736720865>as for the female asses, they're shells, not one for one replications off human bodies.commie troon-esque lore design to make them look as asexual as possible except the ones they like. There are no rules that would prohibit Bungie to design the story in a way that the silkworms produce SEXO-looking humanoids to play with
>>736721209and with every mainstream media outlet shilling marathon they must have spent a lot of money on marketing
>>736706884200 million seems pretty low for a game Bungie spent years developing. I would've guessed Bungie is more expensive than that
>>736721159Yeah but how many billion did they make for 0 work with GTA5 Online in that time alone? As long as GTA6 isn't a complete disaster and manages to replace 5 in that aspect alone, they'll easily make that money back + some more billions in the 15-20 years before the next GTA game.
>>736721159>+ 3.6 billions that it took to buy bungieThat was for Destiny 1
>>736721351gta 6 is a guaranteed success unless they make it woke, which might be the reason why it got delayed
>>736721440can't wait for them to fuck up and fail it's going to be concord x100
>>736721159speaking of gta, that shit will just print money for sony, they drop few $b to Take Two for a year of exclusivity and recoup all their losses on shark card store commissions as well as jacking up ps plus subscription
>>736709072>just wish a bunch of devs into existance in the middle of nowhere Why don't you do it if you're so smart?
>>736721248they are a little lacking
>>736719417It was reported that the playtested Chris's version to a bunch of Tarkov players and when they were asked if any of them would play the game on release no one raised their hands. It sounds like that version was a turkey too.
>>736722120So they hired the fucking valorant dude to fuck the game up even more
>>736720865>as for the female asses, they're shells, not one for one replications off human bodies.Why make them look humanoid to begin with? They can look like anything but picked asexual humans
>>736707606Concord was 200m before Sony bought Firewalk
>>736711903How the fuck do you play 197 hours of something in a two week period? Am I retarded or does that work out to be playing 14 hours every day?
>>736720865>one of the shells has an african face but he also has a white british accent, so that a win for colonialism.Fucking shill trying to figure out what chuds like. We don't want colonialism, we want isolationism. And btw actual colonialism would be having slaves, not having to be around gigamutts
>>736706884Thats false though. Its actually a 250million piece of trash (so far)Please get your facts straight
>>73672239614.15714285714286i'm done for today, goodnight friends
How did Bethesda ended up being the best of Bungie/Blizzard/Bethesda/Bioware???? What the hell is going on?
>>736722414>We don't want colonialism, we want isolationism.you must be pretty disappointed with trump then hey, anon?
>>736722998Todd is a liar, but he's no fool.Though he's not much better, either.And fuck you, Todd. Give me my money back.
>>736722998because bethesda didn’t hire troons by the truckloads when all of these were doing that probably
>>736723118>fuck you Todd, i want my money backno one forced you to buy skyrim 7 times.
>>736722998bethesdas devs don’t have skill but they aren’t half as woke as the other ones on your list
>>736723148Fuck you, Todd.Give me back my Starfield money.
>>736722998At least Bethesda has a face in the form of Todd. All I can think of with those other companies are trannies. I guess Bungie has Ziegler? But he’s just a game director.
>>736723295ziegler is the one responsible for raping marathon actually
>>736709072Epic is in Cary NC and still had to lay off 1000 employees. It's not the cheapest place in the country, but all of these companies overgrew during Covid.
>>736722973imagine the kind of subhuman degenerate you need to be to play this piece of shit game for 16 hours a day for a whole month jesus CHRIST
>>736723634Never try to figure out why gay men like sucking dicks.If you did, you’d become gay too.
>>736723225no. play it.
its incredible how dead this 500 million dollar game is. mind you the gacha players are mostly on mobile.
>>736723719Go to hell, Todd.Your mother is going to die in her sleep tonight.
>>736723732Yeah this 750 million dollar game is overI don't know how they could spend 1 billion dollar on this game
>>736708276I'd never even heard of this faggot before bungie shills started pretending he'd save their game
>>736723732re2 getting shit on
>>736706884>literally do nothing>win
>>736723793that doesnt un-buy the game, now does it?
>>736723634anon, please. i have feelings, you know.
>>736723732I play gacha games on their standalone clients, including WuWa. I imagine that a lot of people do.WuWa is apparently pretty bad on mobile. It was made to be played on PC.
>>736706884> another trash studio managed to scam Snoy into buying themFucking kek
>>736723732>below Steam client for wuthering wavesIt's the only gacha I play and I didn't even know it has a Steam client. Marathon must really be fucked off NA hours.
>>736724008Fuck you, Todd.Give me the Fallout 3 Remastered. Or you'll get raped by Indians.
>>736724201>give me a fallout 3 remasterits gonna have 16x the detail! but I have to rape nv first.
>>736724235Yeah, but they'll stick Fallout 76 up your ass.
>>736724323so, you want another skyrim remaster? buy my mods, dickhead!
My God. EVERY variation of cs is beating it.
>>736724374I’d rather donate my money to a poor nigger than buy your stupid mod.Todd, you cocksucking bastard.
>>736724468buy my mods and youll do both. dont you want the fallout 3 remaster? imagine it anon, 16x the detail. 3x bigger than skyrims map! and all the paid mods you can dream of!
>>736724379>EVERYuh there's more than 3 counter strikes anon
>>736724631No, Todd, you're just a lazy liar.You're 10 times worse than the Jews.
>>736724743well I dont think 1.6 is listed. but still, 3 cs games > 1 month old game.
>>736724379>getting brutally mogged by csgo
>>736722998I wouldn't say Starfield is a lot better than Marathon. It's filled with mystery meats and girlbosses
>>736722998its a really low bar
>>736724791>youre lazy toddbuy. my. mods.
>>736706884these people live in weird echo chambers, they experience a warped sense of reality
>>736706884The average investor, because the average investor is a complete fucking retard. They survive because there are so many guard rails to make sure investors with more than 7 figures will never significantly lose money, so they think they are some kind of geniuses, but in reality they are dumber than a bowl of soup.
remember when the marabots said 10k was the bottom?lmfaoooo
>>7367237324.1 billion dollar game
>>736725073No, I won’t give you a single penny.Just as I wouldn’t sell my soul to the devil that is Microsoft.
>>7367158104k is just a render resolution, it has nothing to do with ingame assets despite what seem to think. UI art and scaling needs some extra work to make sure it looks good but that's a minor issue.
>>736725265it looks like your copy of starfield is getting lonely. maybe it needs a brother copy?
>>736725080>weird echo chambersYeah, a lot of triple A devs are actually taking their social media presence to LinkedIn. They can't survive outside of an echo chamber.
>>736725080western devs live in a hugbox. no one has the ability to say "this design is shit". and that's how highguard and marathon happen.
>>736720610Darkness Falls was the comparison being made for the endgame challenge areasIn general it was about Realm vs Realm mixed with more active/dynamic Destiny patrol zoneshttps://www.windowscentral.com/gaming/former-bungie-director-says-marathon-didnt-stem-from-tarkov-or-extraction-shooters-it-was-inspired-by-an-mmo-my-parents-played-20-years-ago
>>736725328>brother copyI’m not buying the PS5 version. Stop dreaming.
>>736725914ah, sounds dope, i loved being "trapped" in DF as a stealther picking off groups of leveling newbies, good times, but it really would need to have a lot of PVE in the mix to make it interesting, just pvp wouldn't cut it, and bungie head honcho is diehard pvphead, so that would never happen, unrelated, but DF was named after mythic's previous text based pvp mmo, but thats some prehistoric obscure lore nobody really remembers
>>736726340these have to be astroturfing shills indian internet guerilla forces
>>736725174Remember how smug those fucking faggots were when their game didn't flop instantly?
>>736726340I played some matches in Highguard the day it shut down and I saw people with paid cosmetics. That "signaling" won't do anything.
>>736719417The Barrett version was apparently not fun to play according to the Tarkov streamers they brought in to play the early verson.It had the oxygen mechanic as your match timer, with your base oxygen tank being around 5-7 minutes (and being able to find better ones off of players or in the level that could bring that number up to 10-15 min, with the chance of finding a refill being rare)You also had a damage system that was described as "Tarkov-lite", where getting hit in certain areas of the body would give you debuffs and disabilities you had to remedy with consumables.There was also more attempts at making traversal "more interesting"With the primary example being trudging through waist-high water going a lot faster if you brought in the right consumable.However, it also suffered from unchecked scope-creep on the production side that seemed to be leading it down the D1 vanilla launch path till Ziegler took over.And Ziegler's whole push was focused on refining the core gameplay, since that was apparently not coming together under Barrett's direction due to how spread everyone was on artifacts, live-event ideas, more involved scavenger hunts and map mechanics, world's first events, etc.The whole "hero shooter" pivot was something that happened while Barrett was still involved on the project as an "Executive Creative Director".And that whole pivot was something that the Barrett cut was building towards with them having to introduce classes since fully-customized runners just weren't apparently fun to play or play against. (my theory is that it resulted in too many people funneling towards one build style and custom runners not being as readable as the current Runners we have)I think Barrett's ideas were an interesting pitch on paper, but execution was apparently lackluster.And Jason Jones has apparently been playing this version of Marathon often with Ziegler through development
>>736726446they all got refunded
>>736726446Yeah, now compare the playercounts of both games.But Marathon isn't yet another hero shooter, if it was F2P it would've probably filled a niche, its art style is a breeding ground for 291312903 paid cosmetic variations and turning a profit after a month or two.
>>736709072Monkey paw wish: every Studio relocates to Bangalore
>>736726668>every American studio relocated to Bangalore>nothing changes because I still won't play their gamesI fail to see the issue here.
>>736720708Those play nothing like old doom though, it's closer to a very slow version of quake with worse level design
>>736726541>if it was F2P it would've probably filled a nicheI doubt it, F2P games have crazy cheating problems. The game would be worse off a month on and not even making money back on the box price. Just a damned if you don't damned if you don't situation, maybe there isn't actually a big enough audience to support a hyper aggressive AAA extraction game regardless of how they approach it.
>>736726250The PvE is definitely the limiting factor for nuMarathon rn.Too many people saying it needs a single-player campaign when what they have with the UESC bots rn just cant carry that kind of experience.In addition to not having more dangerous PvE enemies that dynamically change the map flow due to how challenging they are, or enemy in-fighting ala the classic Marathon trilogy (especially with how dominant a strat it was to Berserk an enemy for TC clears).Not having the Pfhor at launch is whats really hurting the game imo.You talking about "Darkness Falls: The Crusade"?
Why do marathon fags act like such cultists
>>736726904if they pivoted mid-dev cycle from having campaign into extraction shooter, then maybe they can salvage and make something by the next year, if not, they probably fucked because at their pace it would be another 3 years at least for a proper campaignyeah, although i never personally played it, just a lot of older guildies in daoc came from it, i was diablo2 enjoyer before that
>>736726895Definitely not, especially with how "extraction game illiterate" most of the gaming population is today.Its still way too early to bet big on an extraction shooter when the genre is basically where demon's souls and H1Z1 BR mode were back in the day imo.Need some goodies/easy modes to ease people into it at this point, otherwise you end up like ARC where you just ignore elements of the genre to make a Helldivers-lite
>>736706980women need hot male characters to look at and cute female characters to play asgays need hot male characters to look atthe artstyle is too niche and high risk for a game like this
>>736727059Under the Barrett vision, it was always planned to be an "Extraction Shooter".But the pitch was more DAOC Realm vs Realm mode except it was session-based with persistent zones.Its just that the scale and scope of what was planned/promised in his version was reduced for the sake of shipping the game.(even the comic-book cel-shaded artstyle from the closed alpha that people complained about were remnants from his vision of Marathon)Supposedly a lot of dev cycle was having constant reboots on the game while they built up tiger engine for it.So anything single-player wasnt in the cards from the start, and it'll take a while to add since the game we have now is still missing a bunch of that big-scope content that they seem to be working on adding to the game now.
There should be a blanket ban on numbers threads. Costs, charts. Stop posting it.
>>736727629Disagree it should be more transparent. It should be exposed so bad that no marketing an save these idiots ass and in turn /v/ would be spared of all this because no one would be trying to push a game that failed if you had no means to hide it's failure and vice versa
>>736708341>we gon finish this mission OFF STREAM
>>736725080>People who played the game, including us, had a blast.It just keeps fucking happening.
>>736727629The 2 tells in the OP that signify they're not even familiar with 4chan is really irking me.(No I am not going to point out what they are and help OP learn how to blend in.)
>>736727750There's some irony in your method. You wish for these marketed games to fail, by creating threads about them for free across the whole board every day when nobody EXCEPT the marketers care about talking about dying games.
>>736725080It's kind of funny these are the types of people to be like "fuck capitalism" But they're the number one NPCs to use corpo speak like "had a blast"
>>736728561You misunderstand. My goal is no censorship out right. What creates these sorts of threads is the industry having the means to lie and manipulate their failings. These threads are born from that. If they had no means to hide away from their failures and attempts these threads would be rare and uninteresting. They exist because companies like Sony and Bungie lie, they get sites to lie for them, they push narratives that are not even true as a means to mitigated the complete failures they have been in this, thus it leads to a lot of people to roll out all the data they can to find the real truth of the matter. You want this shit to stop, making the data and information of what goes into these things as well as their sales as transparent as possible and these threads would be pointless.
>>736720610New Frontiers?>>736722120I honestly don't trust Tarkov niggers to know what would be a good idea for a game like Marathon, mainly bc their too milsim autist to understand what Bungie would want to do >>736726484What I said above, but also I think I can see them getting too lost in the scope of all the live mechanics, artifact shit (these used to be like unique items with insane shit tied to them right? marathon doesn't have anything like them now right?) and map mechanics... but like... that all sounds kinda based???Imagining an actually persistent open map concept with actual variety and cool secrets and mechanics abounding to get people working together on and think it'd be awesome.ofc bungie probably saw that and thought that's TOO cool and TOO big, and that's why we're here. They don't have the balls to make actually inovative and groundshattering games anymore... despite their AAA budgets to do it... so really what are they good for? nothing. you get marabore
>>736729159I understand that but this is the irony.Their ability to lie and push their marketing isn't native to 4chan, 4channers themselves post it like this.The implication is that you're bringing attention to their game, and to a demographic they don't target.4channers don't even look at the fake numbers to begin with, let alone do they need a hint that it's fake.A thread complaining about it starts to look like a stealth billboard.
>>736729253>New Frontiers?a MASSIVE pvp map filled with POI's designed to have player run into each other, could have dozens of large groups running around never seeing each other due to long distances, unfeasible on bungo engine
>>736729285We are past that working anon. Since 2022 it's become clear that bringing attention of any kind doesn't work and their is about 2.1 billion lost to show it really doesn't work. From rage bait, to memes, to chart threads, none of it equals sales, it's a tactic that fails to work. Now that I'm typing this out, wasn't 2023 when 4chan's traffic took a serious nose dive as well as all those major outlets on X and Facebook just stop posting as much?
>Wait a minute, the game is about to die. Why doesn’t Sony just make it free-to-play?They should just give the battle passes or skins to the suckers who paid for it.No one’s going to pay $40 for this trash anymore.
>>736729554>We are past that working anon.Obviously not. Your premise proves that. Despite lying they still don't have sales nor players. Seems like it's working.
>>736728581>It's kind of funny these are the types of people to be like "fuck capitalism"They literally joined the Wildlight because they were offered royalties. Socialists are the greediest motherfuckers in the world
>>736729660It doesn't work usually. At best you get a spike for a week and unless it's really easy to cheat in, it just crashes back down and if it's easy to cheat in no one spends money. This game is just unappealing too
>>736729707What is working exactly?
>>736729839Ignoring games that aren't good and lie in their marketing. They always die appropriately, the marketing tricks extend their life by days at max.
>>736729928Right, but they still kick and scream because they think they can hide things from it. We all know people that will just lie about things, normally what stops the lies is when they think they have no more room to bullshit. Same idea here but it would have the added bonus that you see fewer chart threads as they would be unneeded, a point and laugh at it's failings and then they all move on.
>>736729789That sounds pretty hopeless.Would adding some sexy girls to the game save it?
>>736730063I think I'm of the opposite mind. We should encourage it because it costs them money to maintain the lie but doesn't get actual results.Or rather I guess we don't have to encourage it, this is what happens. They waste their money on the market and not the game and to nobodies surprise the game isn't fun and gamers see through the lie within the refund window anyway. Nobody really loses here except the publisher.
>>736729789>>736730070To what end? Stellar Blade sold 3.5 million and it's controversy was sex girl(s). This game has so much baggage I don't think it get much for just making gooner skins.
>>736730202They should at least give it a try.The game is about to die anyway, so why not take a chance?
>>736730174I see now, we are walking down the same street but from different ends of it. I think we will get better games and free of this bullshit if it's more transparent forcing the truth to everyone. You think we will get better games and free of this bullshit if they are forced to go under maintaining the lie.I'll take either if the result stays the same.
imagine the billions of dollars wasted on trash games that no one asked fornow imagine what that kind of money could have done to help the thirdies that they claim to care for so much
>>736706884$3.6 billion + tip
>>736729253>Imagining an actually persistent open map concept with actual variety and cool secrets and mechanics abounding to get people working together on and think it'd be awesome.Iirc I saw something about them adding stuff like this in the future. Cryo Archive already has some of this going on.As for a persistent map? idk, seems like one of those concepts that sound good in theory, but I've yet to see an MMOfps game pull it off.
damn, didn't know its THAT dire...
>>736720505>>736721248>Some of the robots have african faces.doesn't count or even matter when you barely see them because of how much face paint and face obstructing gear these characters wear. totally schizo thing to nitpick about>"female" ones have flat assesBungie's character designs have never been sexualized to begin with. In Halo and Destiny afaik it's all robotic armored people and aliens. The only exception is cortana, but she's not a combatant.
>>736729491was this a destiny thing though? where does the name come from?and if it WAS their concept, besides the engine not being able to do it... WHY DIDN'T THEY FIX IT SO IT COULD??????? Fucking jesus that's the whole point of being le cutting edge AAA Bungo and they don't?But were they calling something New Frontiers? not familiar with the moniker
>>736732636nah the name was from daoc pvp expansion, nothing to do with destiny/marathon, no idea how they internally called it, maybe we get a documentary one day on their downfall
It's hilarious how I keep getting obvious "erm guys... this game is actually le good?" marathon shill posts on xitter
>>736732743I assumed that earlier but forgot lmaoAlso it really is gay they don't just fucking make it. All that money for DEI hires and not people who can make the engine work in a massively multiplayer immersive experience.it was their golden chance returning to Marathon after all these years, after sprinkling aspects of it in so many other games, and theeeeennnn they just don't put in the effort it deserved.awful
>>736732201Except the game is too PvP centric to really fulfill that concept to it's fullestArc Raiders is doing a much better job at getting to that point and fulfilling that idea. The recent Close Scrutiny addition really brings raiders together considering the danger the arc poses
>>736727114Extraction shooters won't become a major genre because their mechanics ultimately fucking suck to most rational people. They are an entire game predicated innately on giving no lifers not just knowledge advantages but statistically superior loadouts than anyone new. It is unironically a genre entirely based around enabling the power fantasy of seal clubbing until all the seals leave. The only games that will avoid this are ones with coop as a heavy focus instead of PVP.
>>736707379you dont want that audience they are low iq zoomers and dumb older people who go from trend to trendthere is a reason you dont shit on your loyal customers for this crap loland alot of companies will go under over it
>>736732383>character design isn't woke now
>>736732345top kek
These are the co-devs of Marathon and Concord btwhttps://www.pipeworks.com/our-games/
>>736724884It is listed https://steamdb.info/app/10/
>>736734703That's better..
>>736726484bull fucking shit, that version sounds a lot more interesting than the stale diarrhea they put out.not that it matters cause it would have died just the same if it had the same cancerous art
>>736708059Because the marketing sucked.
>>736706884
>>736715651LLAMA.
>>736719380>People are treating CCU's like it's the fucking stock market or horseracingBecause it is for shitty GAAS bullshit. Death to all developers that push that bullshit.
>>736708276EH?! 2 million?! To shill... this?!Now i have to post it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAH7RAZnqy4Fucking LLAMA.
>>736736546Not at all, the marketing was fantastic.I think the actual problem is that they're going after a market that doesn't really exist. Extraction shooters are a niche to begin with, and within that niche the existing players are most likely going to stay in their comfort zone (the game they've already invested the most in). Arc Raiders players aren't going to just migrate over to Marathon because the latter doesn't have the aggression-based matchmaking they like. That issue is compounded by the fact that live service games use things like unlockable cosmetics to create player attachment - players leaving over gameplay is one thing, but they'll think twice about leaving it if it means abandoning hundreds or even thousands of dollars they may have spent on cosmetics. It's the reason why no game was ever going to "kill" World of Warcraft, because players who've spent thousands of dollars and hours on that game are just more likely to stay there.It feels like Bungie either didn't understand the market, or they genuinely believed they could just convert a whole bunch of new players into extraction shooter fans. Maybe they believed the former Destiny audience would be 'loyal' and come back for Marathon (lol)
>>73673692111-13 is just bullshit honestly
>>736737564Look, even a shit like Stalker 2 has epilepsy warning and other stuff. And that one is mild as fuck visually - has nothing even close to the blue-eye-rape or ultra-violet-brain-melter loading screens.
>>736706884>via Forbes>actually a guest blog by Tassikys
>>736738037Scared Maratranny? :)
>>736726904>>736727389Good posts. I genuinely wonder where you even go at this point, they released the game effectively as a beta because of Sony breathing down their neck, so I doubt they'll get the leeway to do major shifts now or get the resources they need for meaningful updates.
>>736726904>Too many people saying it needs a single-player campaign when what they have with the UESC bots rn just cant carry that kind of experiencePicrel.
>>736707859>Jupiter AscendingYou now remember the Wachowski Brothers made kino in the 1990's, went to a BDSM club, and immediately trooned out.Fetishes: Not even once.
>>736738145The new shill tactic is to just personally attack Tassi while ignoring how he's been leaking Bungie shit for years and years.
>>736739219>Fetishes: Not even once.You can dabble without harm, generally. The harm happens once you connect with another human about a fetish. There are neuropsychological processes that quickly erode moral and ethical barriers when an interest is shared with another human. It's due to mirror neurons.
>>736739706I asked yesterday for shills to name a single time Tassi has been wrong about News regarding Bungie, and they curiously never replied. They did however keep spamming that he had no proof of the games budget
>>736739797Yep, it's the normal 'I'll pretend to ignore the existing information that proves me wrong' shit they always do, like constantly asking for 'SOURCE??' about the budget stuff despite anons giving it to them over and over.It has to be some kind of mental defense mechanism to keep them from having to admit they have been wrong, are wrong now, and will continue to be wrong.
>>736737353Based on what they got, they had the most success with destinyfags. Their shit simply was repuslive to the streamers they courted. And they didn't take that as a warning.
>>736708059The problem with making sweaty pvp games is that there's only so many pvp sweats and they're always playing something at the moment so you have to be better than the competition. It's a zero-sum game unlike SP and coop games that have a way bigger audience and are much easier to drop in/out of.
It's over
>>736718594In my thoughts
>>736718751I cant. Their anti cheat prevents the game fron running on Linux. Ive also heard there is pretty rampant cheating. Why devs bother with anti cheats these days i will never know.
>>736706884I woupd play thisif they removed controller AA
