holy FUCK has a game ever made me lose all interest midway through. i have zero interest finishing this piece of shit after Act 2. I DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THE DESSENDRE FAMILY! imagine of lord of the rings suddenly zoomed out from frodo and sam in mordor and told you it was all about saurons family troubles and who gives a fuck about the ring, its not important and not real anyway.
My problem was the writing cause why tf are these people talking as if they were on stranger things season 5
cool story bro
>>736717510But the Lord of the Rings setting IS about Sauron and his family troubles.
>>736717624thats silmarillion. except melkor instead of sauron
>>736717624
what an original thread
>>736717510I hate the gestrals. They’re not cute, they’re annoying. And calling this mid game an rpg when you don’t have the option to kill every gestral you come across is insulting
>>736717510Yeah they rugpull you big time
>>736717510for me that was the point where things got interestingit's really a make or break situation for people
>>736717510Act 3 is much better
>>736717510"It's all painters magic, I don't need to explain shit" ruined it for me. Life and death hold no meaning after that reveal anymore.
i read the thread and concluded that is has a very low average IQ
>>736717764This is a jrpg not a wrpg
>>736717889>Life and death hold no meaning after that reveal anymoreIs it possible to be this illiterate?
Seems like public opinion has soured on this game
>>736717951almost like your party members died and immediately got brought back by magic. Yes, there are no stakes anymore. Worst case, make a new painting. Stop accusing others of illiteracy when you are like a 40iq person.
>>736718069>Worst case, make a new painting
>>736718090He's just a retard apparently, like the plot is so much about life and death. For fuck sake the most important plot point is how Verso's death led everyone to grief stricken madness. Painted Verso wants it all to end so his family can move on etc etc.I would say anon's baiting but maybe the school system just failed him. Sad!
>>736717951All of the party save for Maelle and Verso get gommaged immediately after they successfully defeated the Paintress. Something that Verso knew would happen but kept quiet about, which also begs the question of why he's even still allowed to be in the party when Maelle makes clones of said party members and the autistic Asian is understandably angry about it. She remains incredibly autistically angry as her entire world gets unmade around her if you go for the Verso ending too. But she never really existed, so it doesn't really matter.
"For those who come after" sort of lost all meaning for me. The game itself does away with it it both literally and thematically.The fact that fans and devs of this game still say it as a signifier of their fandom is a bit ironic.
>>736718193>btw youre all not real and i literally just imagined you back to life t. maelle>oh ok t. lume and sciel>im just kinda angry at verso for manipulating us or whatever t. luneit was mind boggling, youd imagine they would go through worst existential crisis ever but they just didnt give a shit
>>736718362I think you truth nuked the e33 fans
>>736718193Not a single videogame is real. The world and characters of all games are made up. So they're all meaningless.
>>736718749>hurr durr
>>736717624t. rings of power writers
>>736717925nah, they're an average of 95 IQ which is even worse because they're so confident in their faggot midwit opinions and lack of critical thinking abilities
>>736718362>existential crisis Ain't nobody got time for that>cucking VersoREAL SHIT!
>>736717510I hated the twist too on an initial playthrough. I gave it a second shot a few months later and I appreciated it a lot more, you notice a lot more little hints that it's coming.I really like what the game does with Verso, he's introduced to literally replace Gustave so you're automatically biased against him, he's sussy as fuck but by the end it's hard to not side with him. I genuinely think he's one of the best written characters in vidya.
>>736717694Silmarilion is about one elf dude having a massive chimpout because satan stole his bling and pulling half of his race with him.
>>736717510I saw this twist coming from almost the very beginning. Still thought it was kino though.
ur bad get over it
>>736719048>>736718943i figured a twist that was something like this was coming, but that wasnt my main issue. the main issue isnt just that rhe people were painted, but that they were completely sidelined and became irrelevant to the narrarive. i spent over 40 hours with these people and now thhe story just expects me to stop caring about them and start caring about some gay depressed family playing gods. like these characters have all these tragic backstories but they just entirely stop mattering and youre left wondering why you even cared.
>>736718943>you notice a lot more little hints that it's coming.And if you know it's coming because of tropes and cliche brain rot, you will hate it.
>>736719219But why, anon? They're fictional characters in a video game. That didn't stop you from caring about them. Just because they're literally also fictional characters within the story itself it means you can't still care about them? They still have feelings and lives they've lived and are still in danger of losing their world. And if you pay attention to the story, the paintings they inhabit are a lot more alive than they are in the real world.
>>736717889Midwit
ITT: Retarded spergs lol
>>736719364see, thats what im trying to say: my problem isnt the twist per se but how the original characters are completely sidelined after it. i want to keep caring about these people but the writers clearly dont want me to.
>>736719435Maelle can keep repainting all the people she knows, she can presumably even remove parts of them she doesn't like if she is so inclined. Her sister did it within the painting, her own mother made a painted replica of her family to play house with. The painted people are at best toys, and at worst slaves to god-like beings who will use them for their own perverse ends and they have no real way to stop it.
>>736717510That's pretty much the only argument, to me, that is truly receivable when someone says they don't like the plot/the game
>>736717510>playing the game in front of my friends>choose verso's ending>they all proceed to shit on me for not respecting paint people's lives and not allowing burn victims to run away from lifeIt's escapism! Can't you see? It's not healthy!
>>736719219Yeah, that's why I hated it too when I first played it. I was interested in the concept of world slowly getting erased and I didn't care for the family drama too.But if you actually think about it, nothing really changes. What I mean is, you can squint and pretend that this has a generic jRPG story where Sculptor was the true villain all along manipulating you or whatever, like lying Airy, and the story still works. Maelle and Verso are still extremely important and their arcs are a natural continuation of what happened up to that point while Lune and Sciel were kinda irrelevant to the overall story in the first place if we're being honest.The family angle doesn't really take away from anything.
I have something to confess. I never used the other party members, just spammed Maelle + Luna + Verso
>Atlus/Falcom faggot still seething about the only good JRPG since Lost Odysseylmao
>>736719912sciels ability seems obtuse and monoco takes a lot of grinding so no wonder. but sciel is retarded strong actually, even if you just delegate her to a support role she easily doubles whatever damage maelle does.
tranny game
Best game I ever played. Cry about it for me.
>>736717510>i have zero interest finishing this piece of shit after Act 2nigger you have like 1hr left of the game
Do you guys think we'll get more games in the setting? Something about the writers guild would be cool, since its a seemingly magical? setting. If people can create pocket worlds within paintings then surely they can do other eldtrich shit.
>>736719219Yea I felt the same, the game clearly makes you want to ask some philosophical questions but it doesnt really matter because you get railroaded into a trolley problem. The dessendres are all fucking up in their own unique way so the population of the canvas is going to get fucked either way.>>736719912I kept that lying nigger verso benched the moment I got him, monoco joined him in the doghouse because I wasnt going to farm feet for him.
>>736717510well fuck off back to playing Marathon then or whatever gay low IQ shit you are normally into, OP
>>736720083i think the devs said they intend to turn it into a franchise. expect to play games about le writers vs le painters vs le musicians vs le onlyfans whores playing god or whatever.
>>736717510>I DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THE DESSENDRE FAMILYBut they're clearly the most interesting part of the setting. All throughout act 2 you're wondering what these Greek gods are doing here, then the reveal makes you reevaluate the entire world
As an american, we have to learn from the french, our country is a laughing stock now, full of obese people and rap listenerThe US are humiliated by France, sadly
>>736720245t. pierre de croissant
>>736720302I think you mean Omar Hasan Muhammad du Fromage
>>736720335No he means Hercule Poirotisserie Chicken With A Wedge Of Brie
>>736720335i dokt think omar hassan would care about defending french culture online>>736720401poirot is belgian
>>736720439>poirot is belgianoh fuck off I'm not taking geography lessons from a Fats McBurgerstein, he's a frog
>>736720245France is also a laughing stock, it's just that America is an even worse laughing stock
>>736720302Waddya mean bro, im a true US citizen from Kansas, i do my shopping at Walmart, i eat cheetos, I watch the Seth Rogan and Adam Sandler comedies daily, And when I have free time, I go to McDonald, Wendy, Starbucks, Taco Bell while waiting for Asmongold or Hasan to start their streams.If im not a true american, the what am i ?
>>736717510Should have just played ACT3 then, since that just continues the story of the main cast anyway.
I thought it was really awful that there wasn’t a single transgender person or person of color in the game. That’s why I had a hard time relating to the story as a vegan-trans-vitiligo-rabbi.
>>736720678Alicia transitioned to Maelle, can't believe you wont acknowledge her. This is trans erasure
>>736720678theres niggers in the prologue and lune is a chink, plus sciel is pretty heavily gypsy coded.
>>736720151this. i dont care what OP says about clair obscur, im having a blast.
>>736720678One party member is asian and there's a bunch of nigs in the background.
>>736721592we call them "gestrals", mon amis
>>736717510I was at the concert in London on Wednesday. I was pleasantly surprised by the demographic. I was expecting to see a bunch of disgusting beasts but it was pretty normal and far more white than the London average. Also fantastic game.
So /v/, why did Verso work when everyone hated Abby? The difference feels like night and day.
I honestly don't know why so many people hate on the story of this game. Is it an age thing? Sure, a 14 year old snotnosed kid would go in and expect your average "let's save the world" plot and may not like it. But once you are over the age of 18 you should appreciate the themes much more.
>>736720245>As an americanTypical bricshit opening
>>736721879No one fucking played TLOU and no one ever will. Give it a rest
>>736717510Nothing gets invalidated by the increased scope. You are being an idiot who can't keep two thoughts in his head at the same time.
>>736717889>it's all God's creation >Life and death hold no meaning that's so dumb that not even the sandiest goat herder falls for it - why do you?
>>736721879The game works because noone is in the wrong. They all have very reasonable motives for doing what they do. And I don't get why people hate Verso.>b-but he liedHe's literally the spirit of a dead person wanting to finally die. And he sees what the painting does to his family.
>>736717510Anyone who’s impressed by the plot of E33 should really read more. That’s like boilerplate sci-fi in a modern fantasy guise.
>>736721879The story doesn't bend over to suck his dick, or overly justify him and Maelle's shift from heroic to self-centred is done way better than Ellie's hamfisted fall from grace.He also doesn't do anything nearly as heinous as Abby, you're meant to resent him because he replaces Gustave but you don't really have a reason to instantly hate him.
>>736722274>He also doesn't do anything nearly as heinous as AbbyAre you for real? He intentionally lies and deceives a group of people into accidentally destroying their world.
>>736722090>>b-but he liedI forgot the party got mad at him for lying for the obligatory "protagonists fight with each other shortly before the end" cliche
>>736722196what's a high brow story
Oh and I forgot to add that he intentionally let Gustave die so he could manipulate them better
>>736717510Well E33 is an explicitly Luciferian story.
>>736722321They're not people.
>>736722392What are people then?
>>736722321I obviously referred to the introduction, Abby is introduced by killing the most popular character from the franchise and the writers had the gall to believe they were so good they'd make the player side with her by the end.> He intentionally lies and deceives a group of people into accidentally destroying their world.Technically he just stays silent, they wanted to destroy the world before they even met him.
>>736722341The Player of Games
>>736722424He stays silent except for the part where he tells them how to do it and guides them. That is lying and deceiving
>>736722196>That’s like boilerplate sci-fi in a modern fantasyScience fiction does Plato's Cave twists all the time, but the idea goes back to Platonism and Gnosticism.
>>736722424Let’s be fair here, the group didn’t have a chance in hell of actually defeating the paintress without Verso guiding them.
>>736722478Ok cool, so we agree it’s stale, trodded out schlock that people are impressed with only because this is the only time they came into contact with it.
I love this game and everything it does to bits, there's only one thing that has always bothered me, where they didn't really think about what the setting would actually be like>Alicia enters the painting>Clea casually goes "if you do that you'll get painted over"Not entering a painting if you're not strong enough should be rule number one of this society. Clea should be fucking panicking, because getting painted over means you experience an entire other life that you fully understand as your real life until you die and get kicked out. This will lead to schizophrenia in 100% of all cases, and will have happened in this setting before
>>736721879Everyone acts retarded in TLOU2, while most characters act rationally in E33. You understand their motivations and why they pursue their goals clearly.
>>736722486Verso could have done it on his own
>>736722196People like E33's story because it has good characters, not because of the twist or the setting.
>>736722557And why didn’t he?
>>736722516Clea simps might not notice but Clea sn't really acting all that rational herself, she deals with grief by getting angry at the world.
>>736722581Bad writing
>>736722591I don't care how angry she is at her sister, she wouldn't consign her to having her mind broken for the rest of her life. If nothing else, that makes her useless in the war against writers
>>736722580>e33 >good characters
>>736722557He couldn't beat axons on his own and without axon hearts he couldnt get to the monolith.
>>736722580Bullshit. Half the time people gush about the story, the rest of the time they gush about how breedable Maelle is. The other characters are barely brought up. Only thing E33 fans care less about is the gameplay.
>>736722631Yes.>no argumentI accept your concession.
>>736722638Expedition 60 journal also mogs verso, he could have just started working out and break through the barrier that way. Or confront her somewhere else, he tried using maelle to surprise her at the manor in old lumiere.
>spend 2 hours learning the parries on the hand dudes to beat them early>get an amazing sword and upgrade materials that put me 10 levels ahead of the curve out of it>spend like an hour beating Sprong early>get the best picto of the entire game out of itLove this gaem
>>736722513Probably. It has been a while since The Matrix and zoomers don't watch classic movies apparently.
>>736722720Or read books
>>736722710>he could have just started working outCould he, actually? Seems like the painted copies just stay like they were painted>how does he level up thenI don't fucking know man, gameplay convenience
>>73672267695% of discussion is about the ending and the choice between verso and maelle, both are excellent characters.Maelle pedoposting happened only during a brief period right around when the game released.
>>736722738You cannot get away with "it was all but a dream" twist in books.
why are retards so mad about this game?
>>736717938But it’s not made in Japan
>>736717764Absolutely soulless comment. The gestrals are an integral part of the actually interesting worldbuilding characteristic. The fact that this strange alien world and its inhabitants were made by an 8 year old boy is the greatest piece of writing in the whole game. It establishes a totally unique worldbuilding setting unlike any found in vast majority of media. We get to see and interact with icons of pure childhood innocence and the bright ideals they embody in stark contrast to the mired dull malaise of adulthood.
>>736717510You sound young and immature. Come back when you gained more life experience
>>736722856Because they don't like turn-based JRPGs or Sekiro
>>736722750He seems to have some control over his body with the whole getting split in half and keeping the scar on his face but there is probably no point in looking into that any further. Lune also tells him about lumina at the start but he tells her he already knows
>>736722832>I’ll ignore observable realityCool, you do you.
>>736722856Because it's popular.
>>736722869False flag post
>>736722852Do you think the matrix invented the concept of being in a simulation without knowing it?
>>736722863this is bait
>>736722935Observable reality is that there's 0 posts about "breedable Maelle" before you brought it up, buddy. But do keep projecting.
>>736723003Yeah because this isn’t a general discussion thread, it’s a hate thread. How retarded are you?
>>736722274>He also doesn't do anything nearly as heinous as AbbyI mostly agree but lets not pretend him purposely letting gustave die wasn't evil. Justified yes since with him around the chances of Maelle willingly leaving plummet, but still vile.
>>736722681>Argue with me!!!!E33 characters are not good does not need an argument as much as water being wet is not an argument. Stop being desperate.
>>736717510Faglord.
>>736722970No, I said it comes from Plato. But such a simple twist doesn't really work in books, but it can work in movies or short stories. Modern literature is basically meta fictional by default, and so any allusions to dreams or simulations starts with the idea that the story, life itself, is the dream.
>>736723084Or the part where he commits omnicide, if abby took a golf club to the entire survivor community it still wouldn't be as egotistical.
>>736723178Im guessing you haven’t read any books between Plato and modernity, then. Sci fi novels have used that twist since their inception pretty much.
>>736723065>nooo, this thread doesn't count! it needs to be "General Discussion Thread™ !!Lmao retard trying to move goalposts, you lost.
>>736723251>Or the part where he commits omnicideThat was going to happen regardless with Renoir. If anything having everyone die at once instead of letting the last generation of children wither to gommage is far more merciful.
Serious question with all the threads I've lurked regarding this game.Why do brown people generally fail to connect with its themes? I mean Art, Legacy is a given but the most basic one they fail to connect with is Grieving.Imagine losing your older brother in a fire. As someone who grew up in functional/traditional western family it would be devastating and that's why I could relate to the Dessendre actions.I've seen a lot of posts in India on xitter where they barely even react when they see someone die. My brother went to Africa when he was in the army and told me corpes were lying on the roads for weeks and not a single negro cared over there.
>>736723326>That was going to happen regardless with RenoirTrue, maybe they could have talk-no-jutsu'd him into getting aline therapy instead. Shit's fucked
>Low iq gets filtered
>>736723323>thread about why people hate game>doesn’t contain the shit people usually gush aboutIt’s a different topic, genius.
>>736723297Silence fiction is an extremely recent development in the history of literature.
>>736723438Only Yakubian devils obsess so much over fictional characters.
>>736723487>>doesn’t contain the shit people usually gush aboutBut it does? It maybe started as a hate thread but there's plenty of discussion about the story here.>but there's no lustpostingBecause no one cares about it, it's just your projection.
>>736723438>>736723659Imagine an indian family instead of the Dessendres with classic bollywood soap style drama
>>736723589200 years is only ‚extremely recent‘ in relative terms.
>>736723438But my older brother didn't die in a fire
>>736723707Who are you trying to gaslight? For months after the game‘s release /v/ was lousy with Maelle lust threads and people pretending the plot twist blew their feeble mind. The contents of this thread doesn’t change that.
>>736723762I can't, they're artists, they live in a clean mansion and they care about each other.
>>736723852Maelle you need to let it go, Verso's death wasn't your fault. ESCAPE THE PAINTING.THE WORLD IS NOT REAL
>>736723781Probably why he said ‘in the history of literature’
>>736722863And Dark Souls is a WRPG, even though it's made in Japan, so what's your issue?
>>736717510HBO story. Why did you not like it?
>>736723950Meaningless in context. Doesn’t excuse devs regurgitating trodded out sci fi tropes and retards acting like they somehow wrote a mindblowing plot with it.
>>736723852Criminally underrated post
>>736723863I'm just pointing out facts, brother, you're trying to gaslight yourself.I didn't play immediately at launch and I do remember passingly seeing some pedoposting very early on but ever since I started vising these threads the discussion was squarely focused on writing.
>>736723965Dark Souls is an Action RPG but how does that make sense?You already said it’s made in Japan so how is it a Western game?
>>736723852LUL
what if Gustave didn't have breakfast?
>>736724049Yeah, the writing of the boilerplate, regurgitated plot of this supposed masterpiece. Which is what I said half the discussion was about.
>>736724049>pedopostingHuh?
>>736723965What’s western about DS, though?
>>736721782I don't know if you're still here but what the fuck happened here? Did Lorien molest that violinist live? He looks like he took drugs.https://youtu.be/ITpMEO-dxGI?t=679
>>736724163My god, the IQ of Americans is so low
>>736724039The whole E33 discourse is not that deep. It's praise does not hinge on novelty it is built upon a foundation of above average execution. It's a bog standard narrative but the minutia of how it is presented is praiseworthy. It's akin to a beautifully shot film that is noteworthy for its cinematography and then people discussing the plotholes. You aren't interfacing with the element that is universally praised. The element in this case being "holy shit, someone made a jrpg with characters that talk like humans and react to events in a normal way rather than cardboard anime trope cutouts." Is it a low bar? Is it really a low bar when it is as of yet unseen in a 40+ year old medium with 1000s of entries? The sadder fact is that it is not a low bar and tard wrangling idiotic writers to write something sincere, grounded, and with great pacing is apparently a titanic achievement.
>>736724315So you can’t explain it, got it. Concession accepted.
>>736724315If I put a katana in a game is it suddenly an eastern game, retard.>durr it has castles and dragons! It's a western game!Is Hades a Greek game? Is AC Shadows a Japanese game?
>>736724315Retard
>>736724369I don’t have to praise mediocrity just because everything else is below mediocrity. It’s perfectly doable to evaluate something on its own merits. It’s extremely telling you feel the need to bring up JRPGs to prop up E33, is that all you have?
>>736724369What model are you using?
The E33 hate that emerged from third world weebs on xitter feels extremely artificial and performative.
>>736724472AC shadows was not made by japanese people, but the game takes place in Japan, with places, weapons, and characters from Japanese historySo when a greasy and stupid American asks what's Western about DS, I simply tell him it's based on a medieval fantasy universe inspired by European myths and tales during the middle ageAmerica is humiliated, once again, this has been recurring lately
>>736724224Hahahah idk I just thought that they were French and comfortable with one another.
>>736724850Setting and Genre are not connected.
>>736724850But it’s still a japanese game.
>>736723965>>736724053Dark Souls is a RRPG.Retard Roll Playing Game.
>>736724647Tismgpt
>>736725240Kek
I refuse to believe anyone got that attached to Gustave.You telling me retards really self-insert as the main character and get "immerse" while playing a game?
>>736724850>>736724472>>736724163The entire mythology of DS1 is a poorly veiled copy of Greek mythology.
>>736725210Yes, but there are elements of Western culture insideSo asking what's Western about it is retarded when the answer seems obvious (since we can see it on the game's cover)
>>736724630Mediocrity is defined by the corpus of peers. E33 cannot be mediocre because what alternative could you even attempt to argue has superior characterization, pacing, and groundedness? Again, is the bar really that low if no such example exists? I look forward to your explicit examples of superior storytelling execution. If it's mediocre then surely there are many examples that mog it.
>>736723438I'd do everything to have my dog back but I still know that Renoir is right.
>>736717510Lowest IQ post i've seen today.
>>736723781t. Zoomer
"after Act 2" is not half way through
>>736725375DS1 is a uniquely second language game. Miyazaki explicitly told us his worldbuilding philosophy which is derived from poorly comprehending native text and cobbling together a fanfic understanding of the broader strokes filling in the blanks with one's own imagination. There's nothing Greek about that, it has a dreamlike quality and logic to it.
>>736725502And again you are not even trying to argue the merits of E33 as a game. Hundreds of movies and novels mog E33 on the bar you set there, which you tentatively already agree with since you moved the scope to JRPGs, who also can’t compete.
>>736725502>Again, is the bar really that low if no such example exists?Yes, E33 released at a time when it had no real competition in any of those areas that even though it would be considered at best pretty average even for its genre, the current industry is pumping out nothing but garbage so consistently that what would be considered average several decades ago now feels like a masterpiece when placed next to its contemporaries.
>>736725692>hundredsName 10 thenFuck it name just 3 so we can laugh at what books you read in high school.
>>736725502You are just complaining about JRPGs being unnecessarily long and pandering to otakus. E33 is not better than any half decent JRPG in objective terms.
>>736725697Name the old relics that mog it then. Come on anons, nuts on the table. Let's see some real examples and have a real discussion. I'm not deluded enough to think E33 is the fucking end all be all of literature and actual critique is valuable. Personally I think E33's strongest element was its VA performances.
>>736725796Name a half decent jrpg
>>736725853unteralterbach
>>736717510>a story gave me conflicting emotions it sucks !!!!Fucking retarded zoomers
>>736725654>There's nothing Greek about that>A pantheon of gods headed by an old deity with a white beard wielding lightning wages a war against Titan... sorry, DRAGONS. Another member is Hade... sorry, NITO, a Tit... sorry DRAGON that betrayed his kind, as well as Heka... sorry, the Witch of Izalith.Come on, nigger, don't be naive. Plagiarism is the #1 source of inspiration for Japanese developers.
>>736725420Katana zero is a Japanese game
>>736725736Consider PhlebasThe Last ManA Hitchhiker‘s Guide to the Galaxy
>>736725827Mass Effect is a better overall delivery of its story without breaking its own narrative in half with the plot twist.God of War 1 pulls off a Greek tragedy incredibly well while also having some of the best action combat for the PS2 era.The Legacy of Kain series tackles concepts of determinism vs free with equal nuance to both ideas.Fuck I'd even throw in Spec Ops: The Line for having a twist that recontextualizes the whole game, no matter how many farts the devs were sniffing while doing it. At least it doesn't completely undermine one half of the game when it happens.Hell I'd even say Hotline Miami does a better job of pulling off a plot twist with its character swap mid game from Jacket to Biker without losing its intense combat alone the way. E33 can becomes stupidly easy at the end as the rest of the game seemingly just gives up trying to challenge you if go off the main road for even a brief moment.So yes, E33 is mid, but it's better than what's coming out lately to compare it to.
>>736725697There is "no competition" because most games aren't trying to be just movies with grounded characters.
>>736725853Final Fantasy X.
>>736717951its just a grittier version of KH2 trying to convince you goofy died only to have him show up again virtually unharmed a few seconds later
>>736717510>midway through>after act 2Act 3 is literally just the final boss
>>736722856Because it's a glorified movie game. Literally half of the time you're spending in cutscenes.
>>736718362>youd imagine they would go through worst existential crisisThey probably do. The game just cuts past the explanation. Plus, they have more important things to be doing.
>>736726414theres actually only like 4 hours of cutscenes in the game and one playthrough easily lasts 40 hours.
>>736726061Thank you for actually putting forth examples.Mass effect is a nonstarter for me because it is clearly inferior in its execution. Part of this is due to the structure of having the player involved in deciding how scenes play out. Shepherd can act completely schizophrenic, which isn't exactly a fair critique, but it is a real issue with character consistency. What can't be ignored is how wooden shepherd and his crew are in the vast majority of situations. It doesn't do a terrible job, but the execution is not up to E33's standards of character writing.God of war 1 is well done, but it is also a story lacking any nuance. Kratos is not even a human character, he's just a force of nature. It's much much easier to write trope characters like this than grounded characters. Nothing wrong with this type of story but it isn't a useful comparisonNever played legacy of kain so can't comment here.As far as games with a twist goes I'm not championing E33 here. My position has consistently been that E33 nails all the subtle details better. Fixating on the twist execution is the problem with all E33 discussion. For some people it is an irredeemable flaw. I think that's incredibly ignorant to judge the whole work based on the twist when the praiseworthy elements are the details. Succinct dialogue that is still impactful and endearing. Great narrative pacing to a fault. Verso is a shit character because he is the agent in service of creating great pacing. I'll also reiterate fantastic VA performances that vastly elevate the material. Seriously, they did so much of the heavy lifting.
>>736725954>Huuhhhh...there's nothing Japanese about it, except… the fighting style named IAJUTSU (japanese word), the main character's clothing, the references to japanese pop culture, the influence of japanese cinema on the staging of certain action sequences…duuHHHH... the main character is clearly inspired by the RONIN model (a japanese word) with his code of honor, the BUSHIDO (also a japanese word).I think you're stupid on purpose or the grease in fast food visibly slows down your brain, maybe both
>>736722436Based and Culture-pilled. Look to Windward, Matter and Surface Detail are top tier as well.
>>736717510It was totally forseeable and many details in the game were aiming at that. Didn't you see the faded character in the game ? If you would clearly thought the game would stick with the original plot, you are very naive. The areas had too much sense to be part of a real and logical world. Maelle had a ton of fire skills for a reason and there was also a reason why a character was mostly looking like her.
>>736726756You just don't get it man. You don't understand the soul of a work and can only point at references and clap. You think derivative references are the essence of the thing itself. Sadly there are many such "creators" pumping out garbage every day just like you.
>>736717510It's so weird that there are no videos or discussion of this game's gameplay posted here
>>736726753>Mass effect is a nonstarter for me because it is clearly inferior in its executionStopped reading.
I dunno man, I just missed my nigga Gustave for the whole rest of the game and his cool gun and sword combo and lightning moves. I didn't like Verso's combat style and dmc style meter.
>>736726897its fairly standard jrpg combat with parrying, plus its not very challenging even on expert difficulty.
>>736726897Almost like they just watched their ecelebs shill this game
So why was the curator standing around 90% of the time like a retard, did he go on auto pilot because Renoir was "stuck" in the monolith? How did he get stuck in the first place, he can just leave the canvas when he wants?
>>736717510I hate the smug smirkfuck personality everyone has. Not sure how close to the end I am on some island with masks. I just want it to end too
>>736726857You were just wrong, man, but because you have too much ego , you'll never admit it, a true american
>>736726921I'm commander shepherd and this is the tone with which I react to every situation.
>>736725420>>736726756Dark Souls is made in JAPAN it is a JAPANESE game. It doesn’t matter what its influences areKatana Zero is made in AMERICA it is an AMERICAN game.Do you think Mario is a Mushroom Kingdomian game because that’s where it’s set? Was Bioshock made in Rapture?
>>736726897>jrpg>gameplay
>>736726921You must have late millennial/early zoomers nostalgia goggles because Mass Effect is a bog standard streamlined "CRPG'" when comapred to its peers, and was actually extremely mocked here before the board was infested with RPG normies after TW3.
>>736727234Let me make this easier for your baiting ass. Dark souls was made through the lens of a japanese man that can't speak and maybe barely read English recalling how he interfaced with reading fairytales. Katana zero was made by trash otaku weebs. It shows in the style of the games they produced.
>>736726758Banks was really cooking with those. Luckily they are adaptation kryptonite so we will never have to suffer an HBO series or some shit.
>>736727376Bloodborne is a Yharnam Action Role Playing Game
>>736727376>Dark Souls is made in JAPAN it is a JAPANESE game. It doesn’t matter what its influences areKatana Zero is made in AMERICA it is an AMERICAN gameThis is exactly what i said, Dark souls is a JAPANESE game, made from A to Z by JAPANESE developpers in JAPAN but that doesn't change the fact that when you see the environments, the creatures, the architecture, the history, it's clear that it was influenced by EUROPE. However, that doesn't mean the game is EUROPEAN, but rather that without European myths and legends, Dark Souls would never have existed, or at least it would have been radically different. It's like saying there's nothing American about CP2077 because it was made by Poles
>>736717510fag33 is a shit game
>>736717510>I DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THE DESSENDRE FAMILY!Same. The way the beginning of the story was going, I thought it was going to be something like previous expeditions finding out the cure for immortality and they've been systematically murdering every new expedition that comes to hide that fact. Would've been much more compelling.
>>736728156meh
