>Speed vs StrengthWhich is the better stat in vidya?
Strength only because dex is often underpowered because its hard to balance multi hit/fast attacks in comparison to 500 damage on 5 second cooldown
>>736720676Speed is better because weapons negate strength and having a knife or a gun with high speed can't be countered
Being able to animation cancel out of attacks is more important than either. Jedi Survivor becomes substantially easier if you install the "parry at any time" mod. Much of the difficulty in fighting games comes from committing to attacks when you shouldn't.
>>736720676This fight was so ass in the anime, since when is Naoyas technique to create bridges of land mid fight?Fucking retarded sakugaslop. And he did more damage in the manga too, he was actually winning.
>>736720676Speed is always cooler from a gameplay standpoint.
>>736720676StrengthBecause speed stats in vidya almost never mean you attack any faster. While strength stats always boost the damage you deal significantlySo even if you're playing a "speed" build, you're really just benefiting from strength under a different name
>im sure to win because my speed is superior
Toji was based.
>>736720920This is you.
>>736720974The black haired person was a guy? I assumed from the tits in OP that it was a girl getting her ass kicked.
>>736721024Oh no, the girl in OP's webm is a blood-related relative who inherits Toji's abilities after he dies.
>>736720676Speed stinks real bad. This guy done a gorillion punches that done 0 damage and then lost like a fag
>>736720676so basically she's just invincible? great wtiting. anime fans are literally turd world animals
As kino as early Naruto was, the later parts ruined anime for good.
>modern anime fight scenes
>>736721080I still believe Toji is faster and stronger than Maki, which is why it is shocking to realize Satoru Gojo managed to make it look so easy when defeating Toji even though Toji was trying his very best to defeat this century's top sorcerer.
>>736720676damn this shit is ass
nobody ever watched anime for the fights, so why is modern anime so focused on them?
>>736720676>fag gaysen
>>736720676was it pinoy?
>>736720883Being slow and powerful feels more satisfying when you master the timings, actually.
>>736720676Tough choice.Probably about 66% strength, 33% speedBut it depends heavily on the game. For example in Death Road to Canada, strength is just used for throwing heavier furniture, but siege maps with high zombie density never have enough furniture to throw at the endless hordes. In the end, it depends on the game and how the stats scale and what they do.>>736720996He wins by blocking the bullets with his harder than steel abs and pecs.
>>736720676this actually really shows what's the issue with strengthit just lets you end fights fast, ironically
Bro I heckin' LOVE cubical debris!
>>736721667huh, interesting.getting calarts vibes from this
>>736720839I am conflicted on this.Generally, I like games more where you actually have to comit to attacks, each attack is weighty and each attack counts and a missed attack leaves you open so you can't just spam LMB and win.However if you have a game with sponge enemies that take 20 hits to kill, not being able to animation cancel gets really annoying.I think it's two styles of games. Anime combat style games should have animation canceling while more realistic heavy combat systems where regular non-elite enemies usually die in one to three hits shouldn't have animation canceling.
>>736721630Having really high damage and killing enemies in 1 or 2 hits and killing bosses in 6-10 hits feels great and the feeling often is totally worth being slow.
>>736721593armor piercing bullets
>>736721767oh it's satisfying as fuck alright but getting huge trivializes a lot of fights
>>736720676Toguro said it best>Strength that makes the most learned techniques outmoded. THAT is strength absolute
>>736721667Yeah it annoys me too, modern fight scenes are ass
>>736720676Is this shit worth watching or reading, or neither?
Accuracy is better than both, because it doesn't matter if you can do a gajillion attacks per second for zero damage, and it doesn't matter if you can do a gorillion damage in one hit if the attacks MISS.
>>736721230sorry it's too fast for you unc
>>736720676The anime is finally at this part? This dogshit subplot was where I finally dropped the manga.It's hilarious that the only way Gaygay could make the le misogynistic Zennin family bad by making them comically evil that nobody could take seriously.I could barely read through this shit without dying from cringe.Then Maki kills her own mother and we are STILL expected to sympathize with this raging mass-murdere. Fucking lmao. Feminazis and male feminist cucks are fucking psychotic.
i stat myself in retard strengthand gear myself in the exact counter i need to speed
>>736721247He took Toji by surprise by using hollow purple for the first time.Toji was fully confident that he was outside of Gojo's attack range at the time, he didn't know about hollow purple.Doesn't help that the rocks he was using to obstruct Gojo's vision ended up obstructing his own vision of what Gojo was doing. Like he said himself, he was stupid to fight the fully awakened six eye user like that without a plan.
Depends entirely on what other factors are present. Without knowing this, it's impossible to answer.Is stamina/endurance a factor?Can permanent 100% passive dodge be achieved?Is passive regen a factor and if yes, does STR affect it?Is it possible to reduce incoming damage to 0 with armor or is there a minimum cap?Whoever comes out on top depends entirely on how these and other questions are answered.
>>736722007i dropped it after the shibuya arc, it's a really boring manga and I didn't give a shit about what i was reading
Slower yet meatier attacks with actual impact>>>>>>> a gazillion gay asian slaps with blur effectsI hate how usually CRPGs translate unarmed combat power into you attacking a gorillion times instead of taking some guy's head clean off with an uppercut.
>>736720676I literally don't know what is happening here, wtf is wrong with modern shonen? Even dragon ball isn't this bad.
>>736720676str in vidya usuallyspd in real life
https://litter.catbox.moe/3spm993z9d6kkdhd.mp4
>>736722209>Guy with one arm punches someone with two arms.>The punch is blocked with one arm, then countered with the otherGee, who could have seen that coming?
>>736721368>Dodge for 20 seconds until theres an opening large enough to get your giant swing in; essentially waiting your turnvs>Non-stop offense, quick recovery from attacks means you can wait till the last second to dodge, getting as much damage in as you can in the quickest amount of time; you engage the fight on your own termsIt's clear which one is more satisfying
>>736722505Yeah, the first one. The 2nd one sounds like cancer.
>>736722209why would unarmed combat be slower than armed combat? if youre playing a game where a greatsword can attack in a few frames with greater reach and power, then the logical move is to make the shorter reaching unarmed combat quicker to make up for it
>>736722209what anime
>>736722548>i like playing like a child with no challengecouldve just said so. probably use a shield too
>>736721109No that guy is just that weak.
>>736722209This. When you throw a dozen attacks per second, that just means each attack will be inconsequential by design. It's just noise.
>>736722625Hitting enemies and killing them is always more satisfying than hitting them for 1% of their lifebar and needing to button mash out the other 99 times.
>>736720676>2026>still have to watch terrain explode in to shitty cubes of soullessness in anime
>>736722951>crying over shapes
What's funny is those hits probably felt like feathers punching her, so she was just ragdolling and flying through the terrain/air but Naoya did probably like 1% of damage to her.
>>736720676Speed is for twinks.
>>736722505>you engage the fight on your own termsThis never really happens in vidya though, it just ends up with your opponent looking for an opening because he can tank a hundred of your hits but you can only take two of his
>>736720676In most RPGs I've played, Str is more important than speed. Most RPGs use a very simplistic additive damage formula that favors large damage instances that can ignore more flat damage mitigation. If the game uses percentage mitigation, than speed would be better. But I don't think many games do.
>>736723227That's not funny, it means the entire fight scene is a waste of time.
>>736723512Honestly the idea of how Armstrong used Nanomachines was bad-ass...I mean it basically did make you invincible and immune to just about everything, but they had to write someway for him to be defeated. I'm just saying that in 99% of other situations he'd probably be immune and undefeatable.
>>736723562Letting your opponent tire themself is useful.
>>736723576It was explain to Raiden what Armstrong's weakness was, though. He goes on to exploit that weakness, winning the fight.
>>736720676dex>str
>>736723697>The Elusive Reddit I actually never bothered reading the manga or watching the anime despite how hyped-up people made it. Is it really that good? I know it's over now, but the premise was weird to me like a little girl samurai who acts like a boy, and I felt like there was pedophilia vibes in it. Isn't her guardian like a much older dude that she likes or something? Or he likes her? It creeped me out.
>>736720676What's with the Japs and cubes in anime?
>>736723613How is it useful when the opponent was unable to do any damage from the start when they weren't tired?The animators had to overanimate the shit out of the fight because nothing exciting can happen.
never bothered with shit after S1why does she go muscle mode and tiger stripes
>>736723860>Visibly bleeding>No damage
>>736723512In real life, you need speed and strength to win.Only in artless street brawls, speed doesn't matter and only strength wins, but in a street rawl, having a knife or bat wins over strength or speed.
>>736723916>he thinks blood in fighting anime means damageIt's been set dressing for literal decades.
>>736720676>heh, surely I can beat my opponent because my strength is supe->speedblitz you and slices your neckI honestly prefer speed. I like going fast and out maneuvering enemies. Bonus if I can slow down the game.
>>736720676In game number fagging terms, your speed means nothing if you can't damage for shit.On the other hand, str builds just need that one hit.
>>736720996
>>736724050>irl
>>736723697cloverwork shills should be beheaded, even more forced animation than midjutsu midsen
>>736723770popularized by Yutaka Nakamura aka yutapon is a technique that simplifies explosions and other effects keeping the impact and emotion of the scene while retaining production costs down.do no to forget that anime studios work on a budget that wont produce a half of a flash cartoon in america.
>>736723770It started out as one animator's noted style, then started getting used as homage, eventually becoming an action staple. Even China and Western shit like Castlevania use it now. Same deal with the flashy cross shaped explosions from Kill La Kill.
>>736724272>A woman's gun in 1986It would have been a 25acp or 32acp. Couple that with girl aim and yeah, I can see him surviving.
>>736724272>9mm
>>736721230JJK and it's consequences have been a disaster for anime, MHA too unfortunately
>>736720676in RTS it's speed. Being able to harass weak points can determine games from the first five minute point that cascades to a whole ass victory.
>>736720676dear god, what happened to japanese animation? why is everyone nowadays flailing around like a spastic?
>>736724502>>736721230
>>736720676Hate how people hold this anime as a standard to what Invincible's animation should be. One side is like moving PNGs while the other is needless spectacles with no impact.
Speed, all day every dayIf I'm not going fast then what's the point?>>736724502the poor animatirs have to try really hard to make JJK seem interesting
>>736724502Thoughtful fights takes conscious time, effort, and expertise. You need veteran animators working with a veteran director, all working with a cohesive vision.The modern stuff feels weightless, because the animators are turned and burned by each company trying to kill them by stress casualties and anyone who survives is split up among different studios and diluted by more red shirt animators. The reason why it's very flahsy right now, is because some good directors can make good use of fresh talent animators by putting them through to do this. It doesn't take weight or timing because the animation team isn't capable of something that thoughtful.
>>736720676Strength? Man just built 70,000 stacks of Reckoning by tanking and put the glass cannon in the ground. This is defmaxxing.
>>736720676Depends on the game, speed is more fun for movment game like platformers and even in shit like deadlock it's fun to jump around and do cool parkour shit. Strength is honestly dependent, it's not fun to one shot everything but it's not fun to just wail endlessly on damage sponges, there needs to be a balance >>736724502It's popular garbage made for the sake of making money, it's not meant to look good, as long as it makes money
>>736720676For what reason does his attacks not harm her in the slightest?
>>736720676Could he please not punch my wife, thanks?
Anything that gives you actual movement speed is always broken in games because of kiting. But that's why dex never gives you movement speed.
>>736724502Outsourcing to china, korea and random westerners they found on twitter
>>736724816Even worse, jeets.
>>736723802>gets trapped>stops moving and thinking fastinvincible got this right. the flash guy at the beginning told his gf that people were ultra boring because all life was going slow for him so spend time with her even as a chore, was love.this faggot could have punched the soil at hihg speed and get out before apocalypse did the first step.also speed faggots should use knives and swords to increase their damage. that's why fast animu katana man is way cooler.
>>736720676I don't know how people can watch this shit and say it looks good.
>>736724706Pic rel has way more thought put into the choreography and nobody would say it's better than OP.
>>736721953Dbz fights portray speed better.Hell rock lee vs gaara is better than that.What was the purpose of the colored clones standing in place punching the air?
>>736724775I dropped the show but I think she has a literal gift from the gods that makes her the apex of physical strength.
>>736724272
>>736724502You can be happy at this point if they put some effort into the animations at all
>>736720676>all this le "epic" animation, mach 1000 speed, terrain absolutely destroyed>did 0 (ZERO) damage>also both characters are supposed to be leagues below top dogs of the seriesGod I hate modern shonen tranime so much...
>>736724917is part of his skill. iirc he divides time in steps, at 24fps like a movie or some shit like that.
I'm remembering when Dragon Ball used real martial arts tournament fights as a reference for fights
>>736720676There are two types of speed:A - the retard one, used by 100% of companies. This is just for the entertainment of the viewers.B - the correct one, which nobody uses because the fight wouldn't last more than 3 seconds. (I mean, the blond guy could just stab her in the neck at the first opportunity instead of throwing baby punches. But, again, the viewers love that.)
>>736725024most people don't because they started with Z.
>>736722007Same but Gayjoe Shitoru's death getting memed to hell made me come back cause I wanted to see how that annoying faggot croaks.
>>736720996https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgNL6NdNE1Y&t=36s
>>736720676Irl a skilled fast guy wins against a skilled strong guy unless the strong guy is a wrestling specialist.If they're both clueless morons, strength wins all the time.No point in throwing a punch if you can't hit.
>>736720676One of my least favorite parts of sakuga jerkoff anime fights is them fighting in featureless landscapes and dicing up cubes.It just ruins any choreography for me.
>>736720863Retard
>>736724908?But it is far better than op
>>736720676>>Speed vs Strength>Which is the better stat in vidya?Both
>in final fantasy 1 everyone is hitting 8 times with their main weapon and has good armor>the speed class just gets to throw things and stealAnyways best class is big dick wizard breaking the rules of tge game and using overpowered arms and armaments based on magic stat being the "fuck you I do what I want" stat despite the mage being technically frailer than strength and speed.
>>736724502This 15s fight is better than every fight scene in Demon Slayer, JJK and MHA.
>>736724908At the very least the debris looks like debris and not fucking lego.
>>736725119this dogshit isn't "sakuga"
>>736723761Its okay, i only watched the anime, its not loli shit tho, its more gay shit but it only happened in one episode.
>>736720676>jjkucksen go back faggot
>>736722305>Character with the ability "I can do what I want if I visualize it as 60 frames of animation and it makes logical sense thereby allowing speed and power well above human limits" is fighting character with power "I have no mana from birth but in exchange my body is superhuman in durability speed and power and I get to use the good weapons with the weird passive abilities"
>>736724864But you shouldn't run with knives.
>>736724881JJK is in a "too big to fail" spot where all the chimpanzee social media influencers have already committed to it being the best thing ever and they'll lose face if they back down
>>736720676>all those absurd sakuga animations and effects>nothing and ko'd in one blowYep, that's why I'm a STR chad. also fuck me that show looks gay, that's what modern anime is serving up? glad I stopped watching over 14 years ago. pure visual nonsense.
>>736720676>Str > DexYet 80% of the time, scout win in a 1v1 against heavy.
>>736725401lmao, what is this dogshit, can't see shit
>>736725401>>736725519this is the best part.
>>736724908Dragonball kept animation costs down by having half the runtime be either looping someone screaming or faking a panorama shot on a larger still pic.
>>736725557STOP DOING THAT SHIT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>736724939>the censor going up to his abdomendamn oliva was packing
>>736724502Your favourite animators died of old age already and what replaced them are tiktokers.
>>736724908>going to a friend's place to watch dbz every Wednesday>this whole ssj kino happens after a sage in our class teased about it (he had access to manga lol)>friend's mom brings ice cream to us as shot on the webm happensAnd to think I took it all for granted. I deserve all the shit in my life.
>>736725401pft it's like that bollywood meme only the show thinks it's the coolest shit ever making it even funnier. how embarrassing.
>>736721230Did you just call yourself a retard?
>>736725519you don't like eye cancer?
at least the animation match the quality of the show.at least is not just an opening thing.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HcGNqrAtsgghttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SdtcK1Qs2K4&pp=ygUTc2lsdmVyaGF3a3Mgb3BlbmluZw%3D%3Dhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j3fIRDahg4E&pp=ygUMdG1udCBvcGVuaW5nhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2rSw4Xl5qfs&pp=ygUSeG1lbiBvcGVuaW5nIGphcGFu
a punch at super speed is effectively super strong
>>736722394>AI generated tiktok shitThe fuck are you doing anon?
I miss gurren lagann
>>736720676>>736725401>>736725749somebody post the colored light retard stimulation video
>>736723697That little girl(boy?) would have slipped on the blood and then died.
>>736725749the standards for fight scenes is very low nowadays. Just look at black clover or OPM s3 and you'll notice this is still good in comparison
>>736725821I don't, because I watched the superior mecha show at that time, Shin Mazinger.
>>736725749Damn that looks retarded.
>>736725875I didn't say there wasn't anything better
>>7367254010:29 made me laugh so hard.
this is such a loaded question without regard to how either stat is handled in a particular game. speed could affect what, your ability to move sure but what about attack speed, projectile speed? strength could impact attack area, stagger threshold, what weapon types you can even use...fuck it i'll pick speed but i personally like having variety more and strength opens that up more.
>>736725818I just think intentionally incorrect summaries are funny.
>>736725401I remember the show actually having a few cool sakuga shots in the first few seasons, wtf happened
damm modern anime sure does suck
>>736725401>>736720676I fucking hate modern anime so much
>>736720676>fight is just visual noise
>>736726334Is the shitty furry AI slop image really necessary
>>736720676Stopping time > speed
>>736725401this looks like that one piece scene and yet people praise that fight for some reason
>>736725843anon... >>736721230
>>736724936okay, fair enough.
>>736726619Stopping time is effectively infinite speed.
>>736726659i meant the one of you, specifically
>>736724502what... what is thispacing? attacks have weight? proper storyboarding? key frames instead of inbetweenslop and abusing impact frames to the point where they've lost appeal?AIIEEEEE I'M GOING INSANEEEEEEEEEE WHERE ARE THE COLORS AND THE DEBRI CUBES
>>736721896He still lost even after going over his limit btw
>>736726825>impact framesfucking suck and unfortunately that's not a popular sentiment
>>736720676One Piece did it better.
>>736720676Okay but what if gotta go fast sanic man was not a retard and used a knife to inflict hundreds of stab wounds and then used his super speed to run away and waited while his opponents bled out to deaht?
>>736727018It would offend his pride as a sorcerer. I don't remember if her skin is durable enough to defend against a common knife anyways but most sorcerers have a barrier in place. You need hax weapons which she already stole from his family.
>>736722548The 1st one is being the grunt that has to wait your turn to strike once while you wait for the boss to finish their anime fight sequence. The 2nd is you getting to be the anime protagonist who can actually fight on even footing with the boss.Clearly 2 is better.
>>736720676reminder that Gege wanted to sacrifice her to bring back Toji but his editor suggested he stop killing women
>>736727229Would have been extremely based. Toji was the best part of season 2.
>>736727004Actually agree. One Piece with its fucking garbage animation mogs all of JJK's faggoty soft punches and lightshows. Luffy's punch of Bellamy is cooler, has infinitely more impact and aura than JJK's goofy shit.
>>736727004I agree, but One Piece is also in a tragic state. Current manga is such dogshit they could never make a spread this good, instead it's all blaotslop with 30 panels and every single character reacting to everything.Oda doesn't have the balls to let a scene breathe anymore.
>>736720676holy jeet slop
>>736725401>>736725749MHA is a genuine tragedy. A story with some promise which then went full retard and had a dogshit ending coupled with an anime that had cool fights and impactful moments and then became whatever the fuck this is.
>>736723697>my stat is better than your stat>example show level 30 vs level 999999The funniest part is that it doesn't which stat it is in those threads. They all do it.
>>736723697Did they explain why this guy covered himself with ants?
>>736724502it's easier and the goyim prefer it
>>736727676It's a metaphor.
>>736727676>he doesn't have an ant colony on his person at all times for defensive purposes
>>736720996>resident evil.jpg
i dont know what went wrong with zoomersyou can talk to them and explain why this shit is really bad animation and how they aren't any different than that retard with colored lights gif and show better animations to them, and maybe they'd even understand but they still continue consuming this slop it's not even that they don't understand it's awful and they're being retards and consuming stuff that ruin their thought capacity and attention span, they just don't care. it can be literally poison and they'd still consume it as long as it's the popular thing
>>736724502Too bad the rest of the 2003 series is ass.
>>736728058its hype and aura n shiiieet
whatever, sexalso why no JJK games
>>736726782Not always, you can still be limited by how long you can stop time and your actual speed.
>>736728297why do the scars look like that
>>736724502It's hardly even Japanese anymore. Alot of it is animated in Korea, China, etc.
>>736724502>>736720676It's like come classic Jackie Chan movie VS some modern marvelslop. One tries actual choreography, the other is just color vomit flashes spam and Valdivia earthquake camera with 10 cuts per second. And I believe FMA is shit.
>>736720676Such a shit manga
>>736725612My favorite is alive and well.
>>736726306spoken like a huge faggot, it is way better than brotherhoodhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXQLrkW33f0
>>736728575was for >>736728062
HOT OFF THE PRESSEShttps://youtu.be/j6e_4OYVbxc
>>736728463Not quite sure since I'm pretty sure she was just set on fire.
>>736726453Very.
>>736726782Technically no but since you're already ignoring physics by moving in stopped time without causing a catastrophic explosions. What's adding infinity on top of it even matter?
I tried watching this but thestory and writing is dogshit and most of the cast is annoying.The animation in s2 was prettytop tier though
>>736725401>seconds 10 to 20 are very cool>rest is shitPretty sad.
>>736723761The show is obvious shotabait and the little boy makes me horny as fuck.>>736724318Unlike OP's webm. There is a actually in story reason why this looks like this. Plus its way more clear and tame anyway.
>>736724502>duck, dodge into spin kickI love seeing what's going on!
>>736726453was your comment?
>>736720676Experience.This applies to vidya juegos as well as real life. You can have shit stats in one, the other, or both but as long as you have experience in what you are doing you will excel above those who have either strength, speed, or both.
>>736724502What's funny is that the JJK fight in both the manga and anime is a homage to the animation style of the very animator who did that FMA fight scene. The homage is, however, based on the animator's style since the 2010s, where he started moving away from animating relatively grounded, physical combat to highly stylized and flashy action.
>>736728575Nah fuck off contrarian fag, I sat through 15 episodes of 2003 before giving up. It's complete dogshit compared to brotherhood. The greed fight you posted was the reason why I gave it a try and it is not at all representative of the anime as a whole. >everything is episodic with few if any overarching connections, just villain of the week Saturday morning cartoon trash >every fight has boring choreography, and usually involves Edward tripping over his own feet (quite literally in some cases) struggling to fight people with no martial arts training and needing Al to bail him out>glacial pace of plot progression Meanwhile brotherhood immediately breathes life into a setting and overarching story with way better fight scenes.
>>736720676>jujutsu gaysenwhat a garbage show
>>736728948>Standing in place just swinging >Random explosions all around them
>>736725230No one tosses a dwarves hat
>>736728948>clink clank clink clank*>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAclink clank clink clank*>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>736725230The fuck is even going on here
>>736729368>randomThey're striking blows so powerful that they ignite the air and sunder the earthI get that the light show doesn't convey action that well but the intentions if displaying superhuman prowess are clear.
>>736729582>A chaotic scene unfolded on the street of Salamanca, Spain outside a club when a seemingly drunk man, possibly ejected from the venue, turned his aggression on a gathered crowd. Shouting insults, the man punched a shorter bystander—only to be instantly floored by a single punch. The shorter man calmly walked away as the crowd reacted in shock.
>>736729616The intention is an anime battle.The result is too idiots playing beat saber.
>>736720676Speed is an illusion of power, skill, and difficulty
>>736720676>>736725401Remember when people were making fun of "your pain is greater than mine"? That was at least funny, this is just gay.
>>736725401kek
>>736729959*"my pain is greater than yours", even. Damn it's been a tiring week.
>>736720863Absolutely. Mappa ruins every fight with their filler bullshit. They never once make a fight like it was in the manga. It doesn't even look good.
>>736720676Almost always speed in RPGs, shooters, driving games, fighting games, and more
>>736721109No, Mappa made it wrong on purpose. That part where his punches do nothing at all must have been made with malice towards the fans.
Can someone post the webm of Choso spinning in the OP?
>>736728948I might misremember but wasn't this just before the culmination of the fight? I believe the scenes before and after this one were way more "coherent" or what have you. I can accept a scene like this chasing hype and a messy clash of desperate wills speeding up if it's just a part of the whole thing. The sounds and music also does a lot to set the tone.
>watch jjk>see an interesting female character>they die>see an interesting female character>they never get mentioned again>see an interesting female character>they turn into a manWhy do they focus so much on bromance? Rule 34 is mostly gay. Is this supposed to be the zoomer favorite anime?
>>736724775Mappa is the worst studio in operation today and they make the anime wrong out of spite.
>>736720676Zoomers will call that slop "peak"
>>736725401Cut the standstill punching with mirror images plus the cube shit and this -could- go up to 4/10 "It's ok I guess". Perhaps just about leave the embarrassing zone even if the rest isn't impressive in any way.
>>736730439the author is literally called gaygay
Defence
>>736730439they're trying too hard to become the new jojojojo was good because it didn't took itself seriously, but jjk is gay unironically
>>736720676Str is primitive and boring Speed is coolInt is best
>>736730680>Str is primitiveYes!>and boring No!>Int is bestMe smash puny mage into red paste!
>>736721109https://www.youtube.com/shorts/pgut1E78odIBlonde is a First-grade his opponents are Special-grade
>>736730439>>736730650>Homos will literally make anything up to try and take over all media.
>>736730882>without meme gojo no one check the video
>>736730913i stopped watching because it was too gayyou defend it despite being a gay showwho's the real homo?
>>736726859Because Yosuke used the Lake Dive of Ultimate Confusion technique
>>736730528>boomers think a slightly above average animation of bar fight tier choreography is "kino"Yeah whatever old man go flex in the mirror while listening to ACDC to convince yourself you still got it.
Strength has no upper limit. Speed caps at the speed of light.Therefore, strength > speed
>>736731141limits? just become speed itself.
>>736731141>Speed caps at the speed of light.Not in fiction.
>>736731141>Speed caps at the speed of light.You clearly never saw all the faggotry involved in the Accelerator vs The Flash treads.
>>736731248>>736731258>>736731280If one property has to resort to "well if you ignore the limits!", it has already lost.
>>736730439Author is gay.
>>736731141There are upper limits to strengthWhen it outpaces your body's durabilityWhen it requires too much energy input to useWhen muscle structure gets in the way of its own movementWhen the energy output is equivalent to the energy density of a black holeYou can imagine this level of strength incorrectly being broken in the same way you can incorrectly imagine somebody moving faster than a photon.
>>736730998It isn't gay, it's a manly manga all about fighting. You're such a fag you're an anime-only for something Mappa purposely made wrong.
>>736720676weightless slapslop
>>736731370If you want to do that then strength would have a theoretical limit too.
>>736725749>the cubes of slopkuga>the obvious CG modelkek
>>736731456>it's a manly manga all about fightingit's an occult shounen slop with made up wacky powers written by a homo that dislikes womenyou don't know what a fighting manga for men looks like
>>736728463as far as I remember, she was set on fire and the in-universe healing is imperfect if not applied immediately
>>736731593You don't even know what the manga looks like and you're still trying to force your gay fantasies into it, homo.
>>736731370Human strength caps out long before orangutans or chimpanzees, so I'm not sure why you chose an arbitrary cap like light speed in the first place.
>>736724219>passive HP regen outhealing all those attacksI lost interest in SAO over time but man, the early worldbuilding episodes were so fucking good.
>>736730374ufotable is one of the worst offenders of this crap, how demon slayer ever became as big as it did i will never understand, it's really not that good
>>736731662Because strength can be leveraged in ways that does not directly make use of the human body. You can overcome the limits imposed by human physiology, but you cannot move faster than the speed of light because physics literally do not allow for it (as far as we know).
>>736730959
>>736720676>One punch with shuch speed that she literally breaks a mountain with her body.>Receive no damage.Gawd I hate anime logic so much.
>>736731732In the good timeline Ufotable kept the same staff from KnK to make an adaptation of the original Tsukihime VN before dissolving and exiting the industry.
>>736720676It's funny because her getting that last punch in means she's faster than him.
>Can perceive and react to environment while going mach 15>Can't see a punch coming at you from 1/10 the speed of thatEither you run real fast in a straight line with normal perception trying to time a straight swing or you become unstoppable from anything slower than yourself. There's is no middle ground.
>>736725604>>736725557Whqt the fuck is this? Is this normal now?Just copy pasting the same dude?
someone post the Re:Zero Garfiel one
>>736724908Looks like Shida who is just as bad/phoned in as Yutapon nowadays.
>>736722951>Yutapon cubes>soullessOnly brown children call things older than theyare soulless. What's next, complaining about the Itano circus?
>>736731834that's what training for. the ki you get is enough to protect your body.
>>736731787It's kind of baffling that you think anything that could realistically be done to amplify human strength effectively would be superior than even hypersonic, much less relativistic speed, but okay.
>>736721230"We must keep people from realizing the truth about modern anime!!"Meanwhile, modern anime
Why is it that all shounen anime eventually devolves into wizard duels, no matter how humble the beginnings might have been?
>>736720676It depends on the game system. If the game system converts dexterity stacking into raw damage usually dexterity wins because it's basically strength+ in such a system (unless scaling is changed). If it doesn't, then it really comes to how damage is factored and whether the higher damage by going strength will outweigh the damage avoided by maxing dexterity.
>>736731883you know what can even punch more than one dude?THE SAME DUDE 12 TIMES
>>736732041>male badthis doesn't happen as trend and all the others have existed since ever.
>>736720676speed
>>736731861They were already making heavy use of digital effects, dark CG backgrounds and 3D camerawork with KnK and Fate. A Tsukihime anime by them would look a lot like KnY does.
>>736732054because shonen is about characters getting older and all of them and the viewers after 30 get wizard powers.
>>736723761>pedophilia vibesNo anonYou are the reddit
>>736732054Jujutsu kaisen literally translates to sorcery war. Specifically cursed dark magic kind of sorcery.
>>736732041THE MALE CHARACTER IS BAD BECAUSE HE GETS A GIRLFRIEND AND I DONT!!
>>736731970Anon, we have machines that excavate entire strip mines in the span of hours. And I know what you're going to say, that that's not strength, but what is strength if not the application of physical force to achieve some goal? The source of that physical force is not really relevant.In fact, it could be argued that the force imparted by an object moving at extreme velocities falls under the category of strength.
>>736732054because its fucking awesome retard
>>736731861Most of the main KnK staff are still at Ufotable. What you see from their output today is a natural progression of what they were doing in the 2000s.
>>736732148KnK 1-7 were all good, they started shitting the bed with F/Z. A Tsukihime anime with the original 1-7 staff would be good.
>>736731732This was so hype I spilled my piss bottle on the kid next to me
>>736731593BANRYUKAI KARATE
>>736730606Didn't Bleach's writer basically call him a fag to his face?
>>736732254Dude, if you're going to bitch about lightspeed and then come up with shit like pilebunker arms or whatever then no one is going to take you seriously.>In fact, it could be argued that the force imparted by an object moving at extreme velocities falls under the category of strength.Which renders the entire dichotomy of the two stats and the argument moot.
>>736732380
>>736732380based Kubo
>>736731957That shit must make so much sense in your mind.
>>736732307>Most of the main KnK staff are still at UfotableDo you have any evidence for that? Most of the directors only worked on one or two other projects before going elsewhere.
>>736723761>pedophilia vibesYou're the only thing reddit here.
>>736732474I was more thinking along the lines of mechs, which are currently science fiction but not theoretically impossible to achieve. That second point is correct though, and makes arguing about this pointless.
>>736732584That's more or less how Dragonball Z goes.
>>736732584literally what is said at some point in db and hxhretarded or not. is what it is.
>>736732380Not in reality, of course.
>>736728554Imaishi is trash and your taste is shit.
>>736723697This shit is retarded as fuck because swords are heavy there is not way some midget can swing a sword one-handed like that.
>>736730439Zoomers are uncomfortable with sexuality. Putting a cute girl in there makes it gooner bait.
>>736732720Yep, anime indeed.
>>736731456>Manly manga about fightingHere's something that actually fits that description.
All the clips being posted and shitting on modern anime are like the most intense parts of the fight. They’re animated that way because you’re really supposed to get a sense that these are not normal people, and the actions that they’re doing are so intense that it does not look normal.Then people post regular ass kung fu fights and ask why their anime doesn’t look like that. Retards have no perspective.
>>736732837>swords are heavyUh, no.Katanas especially are like 3 pounds, dude.
>>736721368Why is Sasuke such a jobber in taijutsu?
>>736732713>mechsI mean at that point it's a matter of piloting tech, and I'm not sure if STR is even applicable in the traditional sense at that point.
>>736732643In terms of the directors, only the directors for the 1st and 5th movie no longer work with Ufotable. The others are either still with the studio or work with the studio every now and then. By the way, the director of the 7th movie is actually a pen name representing multiple directors from the previous movies as they divided the workload for that movie. The director of photography as well as most of the best animators are either still with Ufotable or affiliated till this day.
>>736732837>>736733013Most katanas barely go over 2 pounds, actually. The fact that it's not giant in that kid's hands probably means it's even lighter than that in this instance.
>>736720996lmao 9mm
speed/dex is always a crutch
>>736732956Extremely based. One of my favorite mangas ever. Shame about his other works, especially Destroy and Revolution.
>>736733014Low genetic stamina, genetic tendency towards being diseased, genetic powerset that can't be deactivated and constantly drains his stamina, powerset that isn't based on having high physical durability or output.
>>736733178I was reading his caveman one and it was alright but then big bad are nahtzeesI haven't gone back since.
>>736733001Most shonen anime feature "intense fights" with characters that are "not normal people." The difference is that older anime had far better direction.
>>736733109>only the directors for the best directed movies no longer work thereGood to know.
>>736732956You like Holyland? Me too, I bet you'd like JJK too if you ever read it. It's not entirely your fault if you thought Mappa made something accurate to JJK
>>736733309The moonwalking kills me every time
>>736733309gear 5 was so lame. it made me stop and think why I was still watching this thing. so lame I have not watched op since then. I'll check again in a whiles just to see this things finally ends.
>>736733354>you like seinen?>you'll probably like this shonen
The uncomfortable truth is that strength = speed.
>>736733471just wait until they discoverE = mc2 + Ai
>>736733524FUCK WITH YOUR AISLOP
great thread fags
>>736733561
>>736733354mappa is the only reason your slop got so popular in the first place
>>736733653kino
>>736731883Animators always fail in my eyes when they copy and paste shit like this and when trying to make several people or a crowd seem larger. It's instantly recognizable if it's 1:1 copied. Not even bothering with different timings either.
>>736723761>pedophilia vibes>Isn't her guardian like a much older dude that she likes That's just normal, stop calling everything pedo. Golden Kamuy's author says you'd have to go out of your way to write it otherwise or it'd feel unnatural.
>>736724502JJK was tailor made for niggers and you can easily just jingle some keys in their face to get them "hyped"
>>736733672In reality, JJK got an anime because it was popular and the anime survived despite its flaws because of the established fanbase.And I never wanted popularity, it just brought tourists like you
>>736724502The economy is collapsing and animators are paid peanuts, of course they're going to cut corners
>>736733858trust me i wish that garbage stayed niche as well
>>736733653And to think there are people against the technology that can produce shit like this
>>736733408Oh, you just like sniffing your own farts. OK.
>>736733883yeah but this has been always the norm. the late 80s were an exception
>>736733928If you can't understand the difference between Holyland and JJK then we weren't going to have a very fruitful conversation to begin with.
>>736733916Keeping out you people would definitely be better.
https://litter.catbox.moe/5l2mwk.webm
>>736733971you keep talking to me as if i'm one of the new jjk zoomer fans despite me mentioning i don't like your precious slop at alldo you have some kind of mental disability? besides being a jjk fan
>>736720676Speed because I associate Strength with being muscular, and I want to be a cute femboy.
>>736733968How could we in the first place? I know both manga and you only know one. The difference between seinin and shounen is that one has sex and drugs. It isnt some higher form of literature or free from standard tropes.
>>736733309Wanpiss ends at the time skip, everyone knows that
>>736734073You have no idea what you're talking about since you didnt even read it and you never would have even heard of it for your consolewar if it wasn't popular.I'm talking to a tourist whining about cliques.
>>736724908This is much much better than OP what are you talking about?There's actual logic to their moves and weight to their strikes, plus the shot of Frieza's face at 31 seconds looks really good.
>>736734097>The difference between seinin and shounen is that one has sex and drugs. It isnt some higher form of literature or free from standard tropes.I guess it's true what the memes about jjk fans say, you guys really are retarded.
>>736733309Luffy's final form being cartoon physics is probably the only good thing to come from late-stage one piss
>>736726653""people""
>>736722209Rush punches are cool. Jojos bizzare adventure is cool, kenshiro is cool, fuck off.>>736721896YYH follows dbz logic. The stronger you are the faster you become
>>736734187Great response. Very mature and sofisticated. No wonder you read seinen like a big boy and not those silly kid comics.
>>736734097I will help you a bit, I like the fights in Holyland but they're not the main reason I like that manga.
>>736720676how are the anime fags going to react when their favorites start to die and a literal joke character is shown to be the strongest in the story?
>>736721230I remember when we used to get entire episodes of "sakuga". Back then, we just called it good animation.
>>736720676ZZZcore animationa lot of flash, zero substance
>>736722154>purplesuch a retarded translation
>>736734428I was LITERALLY about to post it kekhttps://youtu.be/7FbKuJv0e1I
>>736721307Because shonen niggers are subhuman
>>736732208The male characters are bad because they are often played for laughs while the female characters are competent and tard wrangle the males.
All speed. All strength. 0 defense.
>>736734479the monkey brain wants to enjoy the absurd amount of animation going on, but the thinking brain can tell it's garbage
>>736725401
>>736720676her powerup made no sense
>>736734479I can almost hear Tom & Jerry sound effects from this webm.
>>736734479the chinese live in 2x speedeven the way they talk sounds like a machinegunit's why it takes twice the amount of english words to translate
>>736725401holy fuck that's lame
>>736734331OK. Well I like fights in JJK and Holyland but they're not the only reason I like them.And didn't this start as bringing up manly manga? Cause it seems like you just want to consolewar
>>736731141>Speed caps at the speed of light.Speed "caps" meant infinite kinetic energy.
>>736720676what's the point of him bing boinging around the place like Looney Tunes, when he can just get the bitch on the ground and repeatedly curb stomp her with his comical speed
>>736730616Gay
>>736725487>fma fagMost nothing burger shit ive ever seen. Jjk is shit but it least tried to say something >>736722007Jjk goes out of its way to tell you that all the clans are shit and that gojo wants to kill them all lol
>>736733643I can't imagine what kind of creature would earnestly post these hideous zoomer twitter comics
>>736734097LolLmao, even
>>736734883Even though I didn't like a lot of parts about Suicide Island it still had a lot of tender moments like this.
>>736733653>meowdagomedakek
>>736734796I'd get the bitch on the ground if you catch my drift
>>736734479Chinks trying to imitate old rubberhose cartoons comes off as so fucking uncanny and wrongSame reason why Gear 5 or whatever it's called is hideous
>>736734089Femboy with muscle are hotter
>>736734479I hate it.It's performative.Dandy is how you do whimsy
>>736735080>japanese """""""humor"""""""
>>736734883lmao indeed
>>736733231Damn he shouldn't have been the main rival.
>>736735080that's one way to call it
>>736734805>dmc5s success killed the spiderbronyWhat ever happened to this dude anywya
>>736734097Ross Garten Saga and Crazy Food Truck are high art.
>>736720676speed since f=m.ajust gotta go faster
>>736735173>American (((humor)))
>>736735337Never knew that Moldman had a manga, what's the plot?
>>736727448I will never not be madHorikoshi, his last two editors and every suit at Bones deserve a special place in hell
>>736730616boring
>>736735337Uh, well I do love Rosen Garten Saga
>>736724691>VoltFuck yeah.
>>736734203It's not real toon physics
>>736721230for me it's the jeet tier camera work
>>736735262Didn't spideys games out sell the entirety of the dmc games?
>>736733309wan piss hasn't been good since enies lobbythere have been a few exceptions like sabaody, impel down and zou but overall it has been pretty shit ever since, i stopped reading at the big momma crap
>>736720676>Speed guy wins if he's not retarded and doesn't try to showboat the entire fight>If he picks up a knife he wins effortlessly>Loses because he doesn't take it seriously
>>736723761>I felt like there was pedophilia vibesHey buddy, I think you got the wrong door. Reddit is three blocks down and too the left
>>736734796The bitch in question is too powerful to be overcome by his versitle speed and quick glass Canon attacks
>>736733858Imagine a fucking JJK fan trying to act high and mighty when you're consuming literal human excrement from gege's ass. You're like the modern version of the Naruto fandom lmfao
>>736735662>>Loses because he doesn't take it seriouslyHis problem was that he was taking it very seriously. He was trying to prove a point; "I'm special and you're not" which cost him.
>>736734419that didn't happentons of old anime cut corners like crazy
>>736724502>Why is a fight between two street level people more grounded than a fight between two people who can move at light speed>>736733883>Implying its a matter of budget and not direction
>>736735751haha. I'm not acting high and mighty. I just responded to you in kind. But it must seem like that to a retarded newfag like you.Even now you can't say anything but baseless insults.
anyone have the nagisa and honoka cqc webm
>>736725401>>736724502same animator 20 years apart btw
>>736723761He's just a boy, what was making you think he's a girl? Appearance alone? It was said multiple times that he's a boy.
>>736731941>Yutapon cubes>soullessThat's correct. Develop some taste already you senile old retard.
>>736725039>the blond guy could just stab her in the neck at the first opportunityRETARDoya valued his style over his life which doesn't make that much sense once you remember one of his idols was purely a weapon user
>>736736095Silence, brown child who didn't even know what anime was before the switch to digital happened.
>>736735428>garbage gets animated>it's garbagecrazy
>>736728058>His eyes are so slow he cant follow whats happeningSTRfag...
>>736728058the majority of people posting on this site (and in this thread) are zoomers and they're saying it's shit
>>736730650>jojo was good because it didn't took itself seriouslyI cannot imagine being retarded enough to make this claim. Araki takes everything he writes dead fucking seriously - to the point where there's a glaring tonal distinction between his comedy bits and everything else
>>736720676Sekiro is more fun than Dark Souls, so Dex>Strength.
>>736721307Thats cope as fuck. The only reason anime is as big as it is are the fight scenes and porn.
>>736728575>literal fanfiction better than the actual storyYou only pretend to like it more because you saw it first, retard. Brotherhood is dogshit and I will IRL spit on anyone who tries to tell me otherwise.
>>736725401>>736725749I'm surprised nobody posted the cheese slice animation. Unfortunately, I don't have it on me.
>>736727424Anon he's fucking tired. He's been writing One Piece for thirty years and he wants to wrap it the fuck up so he actually has time to fuck his IRL Nami wife before his back is completely blown out.
>>736735602Only if you count all 3 games. But I doubt Spiderbrony was a big fan of spiderman 2 anyway>>736736447>parryslopJust play ninja gaiden or Nioh
>>736728476Truth nuke. So much western vs Japanese animation debates when it's underpaid Vietnamese vs underpaid korean lol
>>736731141>2011 + 15>not being faster than lightngmi
>>736736486but Brotherhood is the one that follows the manga story
>>736732956damn I saved that image too while reading the manga, don't even remember the character
STR
>>736736486Wat
In cataclysm I always go full Str + hydraulic muscles. So fun punching holes through buildings and gibbing zombies with crits
So what are some good fighting animes then?
>>736736914>animes
>>736736754He's a mostly nice guy starting out as a villain who gets clowned on a bit as the series progresses but it has a lot more to do with the fact that if you wrestle on concrete he'd end up in prison nigh immediately. So he's very happy about having some grass where he can actually throw people to the ground.
a good fight needs to have tension in it, zero visual clarity caused by a jumping camera and a billion visual effects certainly doesn't help.the only time I remember literally holding my breath was during the dragon fight in dungeon meshi
>>736733171A great crutch, just like techniques
>>736720676Speed is always better in vidya because faster = more funBeing slow sucks ass, doesn't matter if you deal 9999 damage it just feels like shit
>h game "integrates" porn with gameplay
>>736731883It's supposed to show 'after images' but it's kinda looks cringe in my eyes lol. Especially when it's stupid they "slow" down but he's still flashing around so their intent is to show "how fast" he's moving by leaving after images but like a said .. its cringe. LolI like the FMA post, way more weight and feels more "real".
go watch fucking boxing if you want le weight and realistic fights what the fuck are you doing watching a shonen animewatch hajime no ippo you mentally ill boomeroids
>>736737240Maybe I should watch Darker than Black...
>>736735407But can you instantly manipulate your acceleration and inertia for intricate tasks?
>>736737307Is that a compliment that you think Ippo is seinen when it's from WSM?
>>736737240>you have to lose for the porn.I empathize that it must be hard to design, but fuck that
>>736720676That's dumb. If the blond guy is so fast as to completely overwhelm her in the beginning, why would he not be able to dodge the last punch that had a relatively long windup? What's the in-story justification for why he lost there?
>>736737421no? i just said the first boxing anime that came to mind
>>736736447How do you feel if you crash the game with damage?
>>736727676It's so heroes can't attack him. If you attack him then you hurt the ants and that makes you evil too.
>>736737531Hes predicting his own movements and running his brain to make 24 frames of his own animation per second. His power doesn't actually lemd itself to dodging things, he has to predict and he has no prediction superpower.
>>736723697That """afterimage"" bullshit looks so retardedJust animate a normal fight jesus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lS-cSRvKu0The actual reaction from zoomers to this fight scene is very mixed.
>>736737857it's insane how close minded some people are yet think they know everythingwhy in the fuck would every anime ever show a realistic fight between 2 normal dudes? what is even the point of anime at that point just make movies with real actorswtf is your thought process
>>736736678Insomniac Spidey outsold dmc5 too
>>736737857The afterimage technique has been recycled since Dragon Ball (1985) but it really should've been a one-off gimmick for one maybe two fights in that one series, not every anime fight ever since
>>736736821She's a woman so she doesn't coubt
>>736731390>I guess I agree with you. I believe the women characters in Jujutsu Kaisen perfectly match the readers demandGod fucking damn, Kubo.
>>736736914Hajime no ippoMegalo box
>>736736595Alright, I found it.
>>736737857We didn't realize how good we had it.
I don't have a webm of it but there's an early fight in Chaika that has a good strength vs dex fight. MC (dex) does win but he uses tricky stuff to fight.
>>736737648I have no idea how any of that lends itself to him being sonic in that webm. Why does he need to predict himself? Why wouldn't this allow him to dodge? How can he do all of that without a superpower if it apparently enables him to move that fast?
>>736738186>best fight gets stopped just as it was getting goodStill mad.
>>736737990You're a fucking retard. Watch the Dragonball webm posted earlier. It's not even cloae to realistic but it's far better than spinning CG background trash with copy paste visual effects.
>>736734479I think the sexporn-esque designs just don't really work for the type of animation there.Like in classic cartoons betty bop and the red stripper lady never really had those goofy animation styles applied to them for a reason. They were a lot more restrained.
>>736724502I rewatched the original HxH and Naruto some years ago and the difference in quality during fights is insane.Even in the original DB you can see just how much thought went into fight choreography back then.https://youtu.be/AfWtcwIgdG0
>>736738312Holy fuck. I'm dead.
>>736720676lol
>>736738374His powerset is specifically he can project predicted moves that he will make and act upon them if they make logical sense by the laws of physics it allows him to break human limits by a lot, but if he fucks up a frame by it mismatching reality or being impossible he gets forcibly paused for a significant enough duration to instantly lose a fight.
>>736738312holy fucking kek
>>736724502It's been a bit since I read/watched FMA but did Ed get formal combat training? Was it from that one lady who sacrificed her womb?
>>736738898Yeah.
>>736725749I think it can be cool if done properlyhttps://youtu.be/JRHD2qXDYwo
>>736738771All that wank just to get outwanked by gojo in a side note.
>>736739047The thing here is that I can tell what is going on here
>>736739159That's why I said "if done properly"
>>736739047https://youtu.be/YEbQ47KGavgGOD Mob Psycho was so fucking good.
>>736737857https://youtu.be/IXcS38O8JjwPosting Champloo is cheating
>>736737857great show, godly ost
>>736725557Look at him go!
