Why are people so mad about localization when it is, by and large, good?
This is sus fr fr no cap
>>736723256just do a better job, mongrel
>>736723256Because we have faggots admitting they never intended to do the work respectfully and instead prefer to force in their own agenda and politics to radically fuck up the end result.
Not reading all that, but I agree. The takes I see on /v/ about criticizing localizations are extremely low IQ and bad. My favorite are those who spent years watching anime subbed, so they started to pick up some common words and phrases in Japanese, and now they are under the impression that they are experts on the language and complain that the localization didn't mirror translate something. That is of course without understanding context, without having a single clue about localization work, etc. It's all so tiresome.
>>736723596You sound mad.
>>736723256It's dogshit, Japanese people watch breaking bad to see how amerigroinds and spics are miserable wrteches and work with cartels.Walter White doesn't become 白石先生 who starts selling war time hiropon to yakuza, koreans and vietnamese gangs just because there are Japanese subtitles or dubbing.
>>736723256>, by and large, good?It is not
>>736723642Really? I don't think so. What is more likely is you're projecting your own madness after being called out.
>>736723596>spent years watching anime subbed, so they started to pick up some common words and phrases in Japanese, and now they are under the impression that they are experts on the languagethats literally me
>>736723596Agreed, I don't understand why idiots don't understand that Christmas should not be localized as Christmas. Are they stupid? Clearly they don't speak Japanese.
>>736723256>by and large, goodlies like this
>>736723596Localizations in theory are a necessity in certain areas like idioms and other phrases that are essentially untranslatable unless you rewrite the sentence.However seeing as the industry is completely co-opted by hacks or troons who'll openly admit that they force their shitty memes or deliberately censor stuff then your industry has become rotten to the core and should be done away with altogether.
>>736723256>localization is necessaryWhy? So cassie from tiktok can relate to onigiri being called a burger in a localization?
>>736724136Yeah, this is the big problem here. There's shit that just doesn't go, sure, but we live in a world where trannylators take things that do go, but change them because they simply don't like the way they go.
>>736723256Because people want to play japanese games, not japanese games filtered through the highly retarded and disgusting american "culture".
Kill all localizersLocalizers are all evil subhuman scum, changing even one word from the original text always makes the result unreadable trash that has 0% in common with the original text. Localization should never be done, the only true form of translation is raw MTL output where no disgusting human being has had the chance to """improve""" it by making changes.I'm not interested in whatever retarded fanfiction the subhuman localizer vomited out, I want the original puns, idioms, references, sentence structure and grammar untouched. I play Japanese games for their culture, not American politics, zoomerspeak and retarded memes.
>>736725615just learn japanese at this point, you seem passionate
>>736723256>The good localization
>>736723256>why do people complain about bad things when good things existretard
I just hate that the internet has turned translation into a partisan issue somehow. A shitty translation is shitty, no matter your politics.
>>736723256>southern accentgod I hate this crap. mutts are completely braindead and can't understand anything else other than their own mutt culture.
>>736723256because they stop you from enjoying work from other cultures from the perspective of that cultureif you arent translating 1:1 you should be bullied out of the field, I pay to access the creators vision, not the vision of some terminally online faggots who push slang people wont understand in 10 years at best and rewrite everything according to their own political vieuws at worsttotal localizer exodus from all media markets
>state one slightly negative opinion about a thing>get essays dumped on you about how this a slippery slope and makes you a zealot>also rope your opinion in with things no one asks for, like 1 to 1 literal translations without even taking into account sentence structure or tense>wrap it up with a middle ground that will never fucking happen in the real world unless people bitch about the shitty practices loud enough to actually hurt the bottom lineFucking garbage. There is no reasonable middle ground to troonlators openly shitting up games on social media, being told that people don't like it, and then continuing the same shit anyways. They won't stop until a higher up in the company gets their hands off of the script. They associate negativity with being a meanie chud so they think shitting up scripts is righteous. They can't be reasoned with.
>>736723256Localization is a fairly old plague. Tolkien and Nabokov have both written against the evils of localization. But the hack doesn't care about authenticity, they just want to sell copies to retards.
>>736723256>when it is, by and large, good?It isn't.
>>736723995Kek
Metal Gear Solid wouldn't be as big of a franchise if it wasn't for the first game's localization.
>>736725847>There were a number of factors that led to the decision--being a subversive, being a troon, being an arrogant faggot, hating men (despite being one), needing to push my agendaThey could have just called him "prickly" or something, ffs
>time wasting questionHow about eat shit and die, tranny?
>>736726778Yes it would.
>>736723256Ive seen these issues with translations for years. Is it really that fucking hard to just translate something and not fuck with it?
Maybe this shit is just a result of retards seeing everything in black and white."You can't translate it 1:1 so that justifies every ridiculous liberty I take" sounds like a dishonest excuse, but what if they literally can't conceive of a middle ground, where you do your best to translate accurately but localize sparingly?Either way, whether it's dishonesty or retardation, they have no business working in the industry.
>>736727043But if they can't, why are they doing it? Why do they have to input their own personal politics and change things? If there's an issue with industry and fan translators, why is it so hard to get someone that knows what the fuck they're doing?
>>736726880No.
>>736726778Hello Jeremy, are you packing your things before you're getting deported for failing to meet the income quotas?Or did you marry your they/them chinese troon coworker?
All of your translated manga, novels, movies, games and more were written by the localizers by the way. The author only did 5%.
>>736727261What are you even babbling about, schizo?
>>736727210Why not?What's your reasoning?Which aspect of the localization made it more popular than it would have been otherwise?
>>736727338>taking credit for the work of another because he chose some synonymsWhat a disgusting faggot
>>736723256Localization was a patch work for ignorant audiences that don't know what the fuck japan was. Or any other country for that matter. It's fucking obsolete in the age of the internet.
>>736723256>"latter loosers">"see ya later loosers"The translator is a retard
>>736727338The narcissism is unreal. I've translated things and even been particularly proud of certain wordings I've come up with, but this kind of thinking is just insane to me. It's like doing some work on your car and then saying you basically built it
>>736727338you can cope all you want but it's true. unless you read it in the original language, you are reading the fanfiction version by whatever trannylator even if the translation is close to ''perfect''
>>736727656It's only fanfiction when they don't do their fucking job
>>736723256If you don't feel like reading it his argument is 'We need localization because I think people are stupid'. He assumes people who want to watch Japanese shows don't know anything about Japan.
>>736727338based rubin
>>736727338>>736727656It's the height of narcissism to assume that what people are moved by is the exact wording of the line, rather than the plot and the context and the visuals in that moment.His word choices wouldn't mean shit in a vacuum.
if you donnt like the localisation, either learn japanese to consum a media in japanese
>>736727338I absolutely hate these faggots who think that this is their art to change. Like they are the writer and just change shit or should be credited as high. I fucking hate translators. Hopefully they hang themselves after being replaced with AI.
>>736728054Tell them sis. Hear that guys, you should master Japanese just to read one book, Russian for another book, German for another, Spanish for another one, and so on. Otherwise don't ever consume anything from foreign medias.
>>736727338The AI really is better.
>>736723256>>736727338Western Localisation is so fucking bad that Japan is Geo blocking crunchyroll because they fucking suck hard. Now Japan is thinking about passing laws that when you translate their anime/games your gonna have to try and stick to the original scripts lol. Even the japs are tired of the trannylators.
>>736728539The geoblocking is just due to licensing shit, it was always there. The fact that it obscures their shitty work from nips is just a bonus
>>736723256Fr bussin ong.
>>736728539>Japan is Geo blocking crunchyroll because they fucking suck hardFunny because crunchyroll had some translators that actually tried to make it easy to read subs while hearing (and understanding) the japanese VA at the same time because they don't have en dubs to hide localization BS like in dubsubs.But somewhere along the way they went full tranny.
>>736728363u got this anon! bravo
>>736728054Or maybe localizers can just do their job properly? As a single human being who can't do everything, I rely on a lot of people to do their jobs properly.Why am I suddenly not allowed to rely on this when it comes to localizers?
>>736730052yeah I know
>>736723256Original is always better.So localisation will always be hated.
>>736723596No one hates localization unduly, all of the hate is 100% deserved.It's probably the one area where I will shed no tears if every English localizer is replaced by AI, because they've been doing a shitty job for...basically forever.There are good localizers, but they've always been a scant minority, and the majority of them are just shitty failed writers who want to make their mark on something but are too shitty and untalented to write their own work.
>>736723256Localization is a marketing gimmick.What these idiots call "localization" is already inherent in the concept of translation. Nobody translates idiomatic expressions word for word, for example...Localization is literally modifying a work to make it more suited to the tastes of local consumers. It's 100% commercial and 0% artistic.
>>736723256Because i want garbage AI translations!
>>736723256>we only fuck up every other game, why so mean?Produce better work if you want a better reputation, filth.
>>736730403when AI will be the best, localizers will be thrown in atrash for good BWHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>736727338The ego on these useless fags. If they were such great writers they would be writing things themselves, instead of lowering the quality of other people's work.
>>736730302>uhm, actually>putting my own retarded politics somewhere where they don't belong>is called proper translation, sweetydidn't ask
>>736723256>localization should not be removedyes it should, like ngersps: fuck AIshit
>>736723256yeah I wonder why :D
>>736731190kys
>>736730554Only the estrogen-fueled brain of a transvestite could come up with such a stupid response...
>>736723256>when it is, by and large, good?>t. localizeryeah no, fuck off.
Localization is necessary in some ways, which you know if you're ESL and have ever thought about translating, for example, English curses into your native language or vice versa.It's too bad native English speaking trannylators are a thing.
>>736723256Not all troon and woman are loocalizer. But all loocalizer are troon and woman.
>>736731908>"flavorful">it's just the same purple prose, tries-too-hard FFT:WOTL shit that's impossible to take seriously>critics are "weebs and people who hate fun"How about just do your job of removing language barriers between creator and audience, and otherwise leave it the fuck alone?If you want to WRITE CREATIVELY then go do that. Make something!
>>736731908>>736734562(cont. because I'm mad)>normal and dryDo they never stop to think that this is actually a valid form of expression too? That "normal and dry" can actually be important to the tone and maybe you're supposed to read between the fucking lines sometimes?And that even if it's not an active stylistic choice, sometimes it's better for the text to stay grounded while the rest of the game shines, instead of being a spastic, distracting meme-fest?
I love localization
>>736734853Japan is like 5 times more expressive than English in diction and the like. Anyone who says "Japanese is dry" and knows Japanese is just saying the shit they're reading isn't written to be whacky and they don't like that because they are trans (spiritually).
>>736723256>original: yeah, I'm from a small rural town>localized: WELL SHUCKS HOWDY YA'LL, JUST GOT BACK FROM THE RODEO
>2 years ago leddit necrofuck off leddit frog
>>736723256Lmao what a strawman. People complaining about genuinely incompetent or worse, purposefully unfaithful and editorialized means that they don't want localization at all. As if they needed to care about the quality if they didn't need it.They truly aren't sending out the best shills anymore.
>>736735748>Japan is like 5 times more expressive than English in diction and the like.It's certainly very idiomatic, which makes it a bitch and a half to learn but I'm still trying
>>736736012if they complain, they just have to learn japanese and translate it themselves
>>736723256I actually understand his arguments and can tentatively agree with them.The English localization of "The Witcher 1" was infamous as being shitty precisely because it was a 1:1 translation. One of the easiest examples to portray what I mean is a short exchange between Geralt and a gangster:>Co słychać?>Stare kurwy nie chcą zdychać.Which was translated to:>What's up?>Old bitches don't want to die.In case you don't speak Polish - the original response is in RHYME. The gangster is having a little bit of cheeky banter with Geralt. In the English version it's just a nonsensical non-sequitor.
>>736723568This, the other bullshit is just leftists pretending not to understand the problem again
>>736736267What kind of bullshit argument is this? What next, if a game is shit make it yourself?I mean I know you're incompetent and don't deserve customers, but what's the point of you admitting it here?
>>736736339The problem with the argument at large is the assumption that there are two modes for translation:Literal, almost machine translated nonsenseOr really bad Nintendo Treehouse style fanfiction You need to make things sound understandable to the audience you're courting, obviously. It needs to give the person who speaks English the closest approximation to the original language as possible. If you lose that Polish rhyme then you're not doing your job. But if you put in "Rub a dub dub, thanks for the grub!" you're also not doing your job. The problem with the latter, though, is that it's significantly, overwhelmingly more common than the former and has a lot more ardent defenders; it doesn't change that literal translations don't work, though.So now we're at the point where people have become incensed and pick a side like it's a political debate when they're literally both bad options.
>>736736339>I actually understand his arguments and can tentatively agree with them.He's blatantly misrepresenting situations though.Just look at the danganronpa argument, where he argues that bye shouldn't be translated by bye so unfaithful translation is effective, yet right after he admits that that bye isn't actually bye in english so his example doesn't count because the translation isn't unfaithful.He's just being disingenuous and not doing a good job at hiding it.
>>736736647People keep falling for false dichotomies, its aggravating
>>736735691keksaw a 2xko image recently with caitlyn looking so mannish and akali literally had a male torsoi'm glad i quit lol before it got omega pozzed
>>736736767You say "people keep falling" like its it's human failure and not a specific spin doctoring tactic.
>>736736339Oh, you mean you want a rhyme about gays and homos?Or would you rather witchers haha more like bitchers!Actually you know what it'd be better if he spoke spanish instead of plosh? Or maybe a south african tribal accent?Wait whats this enemy why is bitcherman killing niggers?You're gonna have to delete them from the game before we allow this to be published 2 days before the release.This is where the problems become unbearable, and exactly where we are.The faggots dug too deep now really no one wants any of that shit and WOULD rather dry shitty 1-1 transcriptions.
>>736736413because some are angry because its not 1:1, if you want 1:1, learn japanese
>>736736267>if you complain about a car, you have to build one yourself>if you complain about your coffee beans, you have to grow them yourself>if you complain about doctors, you have to go through five years of med school and treat yourself>you may never, EVER complain about a product or service unless you can perform it yourself
>>736736993you can't stop lying, can you?
>>736736647Being bad because of imperfection or lack of skill is way more acceptable than being bad because of entitlement which is why I'd take the AI over localizers being paid any amount of money for their rewrites. And you'll never get the middle ground because it costs too much.
>>736736993Again with the retardation.Learning japanese removes the need for any kind of translation, so this kind of answer is utterly pointless.The simple truth is thar your job as a translator is to convey as much of the original text's meaning as you are capable, without injecting your spin on it.Shitting all over the text by adding your spin DELETES meaning, and does indeed entitle customers to shit on you.
>>736723256>your favorite character in a videogame is now trans because a troonslator said soNo
>>736723256i prefer translation - keep the original intent and culture intact.localization is the local culture being forced. and knowing the dangerhairs that work in localization, no thanks.
>>736723256Who's the faggot who wrote that garbage?
>>736723256I don't play tranime games so I don't care about localization.
>>736737175>Being bad because of imperfection or lack of skill is way more acceptable than being bad because of entitlement which is why I'd take the AI over localizersI agree completely. I'd rather have a flawed translation than one vandalized by narcissists
>>736737148>>736737090>>736737220YWNLJ
>>736723256https://x.com/Johann_CK/status/1945124399851692301https://www.frontlinejp.net/2025/12/07/behind-the-english-script-of-lover-kiss-translator-discusses-process-and-practice/ >>Replacing "onii-chan" with "big bro" mangles any meaning and nuance and reads plain ridiculous in English.
>>736737354It's always going to be localization in software lingo because of all the technical/marketing/legal implications of language change in the medium.You (and I) want the text itself to be exclusively translated, and that's fine and ideal and doable, for the text itself. But no agency is going to sell its service as just translation, they're gonna have to offer the full package to get customers, so it will never stop being called localization.
>>736737681>"Monsieur De Salles, welcome to Germany. I am your valet, Hermann.">"It's a pleasure to meet you, Herr Hermann. Can you take me to the estate immediately?"AIYEEEEEEEE THIS BOOK IS CURSED THEY DIDN'T LOCALIZE IT FOR ME AGGHHHH IT'S WEEBSHIT AHHHHHH I'M MELTINGJapanese is the ONLY language in which honorifics cause this much butthurt in normalgoroids. Notice how the news can report on a kibbutz and people understand it without demanding it be "localized" to "commune"?
>>736728363>master Japanese just to read one bookWhat about 100s of books, videogames, anime, manga, music, news, online discussions etc for the rest of your life?Do you realize how liberating it feels to never wait for translations, never worry about the quality of translations, never worry about censorship in retro games, never have to deal with awkward "translatorese" writing or jokes lost in translation, and so on?
>>736737528I'm learning it right now bitch
>>736737782latinx
>>736737878Learning Japanese is a great idea, it's just retarded to suggest that you shouldn't complain about bad localizers
>>736727338Lmao noMost of the things I consume from Japan come via fan translation quite simply because it's faster.
>>736737910well im happy for you
>>736737090>>if you complain about a car, you have to build one yourselfCorrect. Now go learn Japanese or fuck off, virgin incel
>>736723256Majority is dogshit. I don't really blame the existing localizers. They only exist because the companies pay dogshit and get dogshit. If they paid enough to make it worth it, we'd have much less fanfic writers.
>>736738730Thank you thenI suck at it but I'll get better
>>736723596It should take work to figure out that a localization is bad if it's more or less accurate, right? Yet for some reason it's really fucking easy to tell when the script has been fucked with. Why do you think that is? Why are people noticing? What's the actual issue in your opinion? Because if what you said is true, then people simply should not notice, as they haven't for decades. How come people didn't notice or cared about all the changes in SNES jrpgs, but now they do? What's different from back then to now?
>>736739124Good point anon. Even with a tiny amount of Japanese knowledge you can usually tell immediately that the localization is a wild invention. Hell, even if you don't know a shred of Japanese you can tell
>>736723568>>736736412/thread
>>736723256No one localizes when they need to, only when it's completely unnecessary. This assumes they're localizing to begin, a lot of times they're just rewriting whatever they don't like. The stance of the industry and its defenders is to deny the problem instead of fixing it.
>>736741443>sign up for translation course>teachers won't shut the fuck up about "transcreation" (aka desecrating the original by adapting it to local tastes and customs)why is translation so fucking pozzed /v/ros?
>>736741569There is logic to adaption as far as preserving the meaning goes. Different languages express the same thing differently, but that's not what these fuckers are doing halve the time.
Localization is a crime against humanity and peoples doing it should face death penalty
I recently played and completed Trails in the Sky FC remake and it was so refreshing to have an actual good 1:1 translation in a jrpg or even compare to NISA god awful cold steel scriptAnyone who prefer reddit Xseed Estelle is a fucking retard>DUDE LE BIG STICK XD!!!!!!
Can't believe this bitch is still living in Japan working at Sega
>>736736339>The English localization of "The Witcher 1" was infamous as being shitty precisely because it was a 1:1 translation.You're being an autistic retard who is making stuff up while intentionally ignoring the issues with localizers like that. And I don't like you.
>>736742606is that remake the one with censored dialogues even in the JP version?
>>736741569Teachers are always at the source of this shit
>>736723568This.And sometime even decent localizations without people inserting their own agendas can be fairly "bad" at times. I've experienced this when playing the Yakuza series, which to be clear is by no means terrible, but there are still questionable changes to the dialogue or unnecessary usage of slang for the english text/subs at times.With that said, I do get that localization isn't easy. My Japanese is ok, "fluent enough" to travel around Japan on my own I guess, so I get how difficult it can be to translate things at times. But I do call BS to those localizers who defend these drastic changes to dialogue due to it be "necessary".
>>736742769The early Yakuza games are good(allegedly). The later Yakuza games are done by the same people games like Metaphor were done by.
>>736742740what the fuck are you talking about schizo
>>736742626Ir's a clique. It has to be a conspiracy. You get fired from one job, they hook you up with another.
>>736723256>Because we as westerners will have the same reaction to the deep south accent as a Japanese person would have to the character's original accent.Somehow, I doubt that.
>>736742953We had a little thing called GG about this
>>736742726>who is making stuff upYou can check it in literally 30 seconds, you mutt. They had to redo the localization from scratch once the Enhanced Edition dropped.
>>736723596>those who spent years watching anime subbed, so they started to pick up some common words and phrases in Japanese, and now they are under the impression that they are experts on the language
>>736723256>when it is, by and large, good?trying too hard, localizer-kun
>>736741826imagine if japan grabbed an american show like the simpsons and did pic related to it and pretended it was a translation. people would be pissed
Just a reminder that you're all getting replaced by AI better start your mcdonald applicationhttps://twistedvoxel.com/falcom-to-speed-up-localization-via-ai-translation/
>>736742942here, yeah I knew it was that one
>>736723256Gamers like to be outraged and feel like they're an oppressed minority.Look at fucking Anita Sarkesian. Like, actually look at her content. Bitch did what? Looked at the history of video games through the lens of feminism? Dared to say: "Some video games still treat women very much as objects & rewards", which is such a basic fucking "okay, true I guess" opinion, and what? She's been the fucking DEVIL incarnate on /v/ for over a decade? A million billion clips of her, taken as out of context as possible to paint her in the worst possible light? Why? Because she dared to be somewhat critical of our sacred hobby? Or look at the games journo hate as of late. Like what? A couple journos are kinda shitty? Some of them wrote some bad articles we disagree with? And now we fucking act like being Journo is being the lowest scum on earth, while also pretending like game journos have any kind of real power, lmao?Gamers are that kid in school, that when you mess around and push each other playfully, turns around and smashes someone over the head with a fucking rock. No matter how small the incident is, if anyone says anything /v/ disagrees with, the sentence is: Death.
>>736743318nice pasta
>>736732343>it's impossible to directly translate this homonym pun>therefore it’s perfectly fine for me to completely rewrite these characters and insert my fan fiction They pull this shit every time.
>>736743191Yeah that's a sweeping change that's garbage, but it's supposed to be case by case. When necessary because otherwise it'd be misinterpreted.
>>736743253>2 line of dialogue in a 100 hours game>ITS LE OVER LE WOKE WONWow look at this literally burger nothing only the most schizo /v/ tards would care about. You have every girls in the game with tits jiggle physic and you can see Kloe panties but hey better defend muh shitty xshart localization version
>>736743648why are you chimping out?
>>736743648>Gets presented with proof of something>Assumes the proof presented is the only thing that was changed>Proceeds to attack the person presenting it
>>736743253It wouldn't make sense to say "put on a skirt" when she's already wearing one
>>736743191This is more than just regular localization. This my friend: is capitalism. This is what happens when something doesn't get translated for a good experience, but when whoever has the publishing rights looks at something and goes: "This shit's for children, right? Remove all the japanese shit, children don't know what that is and put in american stuff instead". That's how you get Ace Attourney games set in the US, that's how you get rice balls turned into jelly filled donuts. Once again this is correct: >>736743318Overzealous gamers want to feel attacked. And instead of correctly identifiying that greedy billion dollar companies ruin shit because they want it to sell to children, they pretend like "activist localizers" are doing it maliciously. This shit ain't even new btw. Any half decent oldfag JRPG fan knows that back in the day you were lucky and the JRPG story in English was even close to what it was in Japanese. Used to be translators would just take huge fucking liberties with translations because they felt like it. And not just English. Here's a famous German example of Link's awakening NPCs talking about always using condoms, and exchanging juices. But we don't talk about all the old games that got questionable translations. We just talk about modern shit that we can turn into culture war fodder.
>>736743865lmao good try
>>736723256they're monolingual and don't understand the subject well enough to have a good grasp of what's going on
>>736743784Provide proof of the other thing that was changed (you won't)>>736743771Because we finally get a trails games with a 1:1 good translation and you retard are shitting on it and want the dogshit fanfic of NISA instead.
>>736727338I dabbled as a translator at times, even made some money doing that, and I thought I was well aware of the absolute fucking ego my peers seem to have (completely undeserved in 99% of the cases) but this is something else. This is fucking unhinged, this is some clinical narcissism.
>>736723256>post is long spiel about how they're not sorry about anything they did just sorry they got caught and pretending they'll stop being shit at their jobs.I think uh i'd rather the AI do that translating from now on.
>>736737782>"Monsieur De Salles, welcome to Germany. I am your valet, Hermann.">"It's a pleasure to meet you, Herr Hermann. Can you take me to the estate immediately?"This is still retarded btw. It seems to be popular in Hollywood movies where every foreigner just speaks English with a funny accent(even when they're supposed to be using their native language) and a bunch of easily recognisable words thrown in like Herr for German or Magnifique for French. But I've never seen it done in serious translations, you're not going to find French honorifics in a translation of Camus' work for example.
Like, I remember hearing a story in local translator community. A dude lost a very lucrative (for this field, anyway) offer (translating some mid tier fantasy book series I think it was) because he threw a fit cause his name on the info page would be in lower case than the author's. I'm sure there's more to the story but that's what I heard and I choose to believe it, the translator ego problem is really that bad.
as a dev i always struggle between making the script easy to access for fan-tls, and wanting to hide obscure secrets that fool even dataminersusually i end up with a lang subdir that's empty until the game is cleared once, then unlocks existing scripts, but pasting valid scripts in there even from the start, gets picked up by the game
>>736723256>yeah we do a bad job so here's a wall of text trying to validate my shit performance you lost
>>736723256Do your job or fuck off. I will NOT read your fanfiction.
>>736742942>immediately on the defense>>736743648>having a full blown conniptionYeah, we've got a localizer shill here
>>736745465>im literally shitting on Xseed and NISA made up fanfiction>that mean im a localizer shillIm serious when I say this but /v/ have to be one of the lowest IQ board on 4chan for sure
>>736743865Nial has x ray vision and knows Estelle is wearing shorts.
>>736744892There is one fanfiction I would read.
>>736745595You don't need x-ray vision. If you know where to look.
>>736743318>Bitch did what?Actually acted like a fucking victim and tried to get the industry changed, faggot>when you mess around and push each other playfullyYou throw a fit when you don't get your way. You scream bloody murder and demand change in the most hysterical way possible, but the second you get pushback on those changes you dishonestly jeer "lol why are you so mad it's not a big deal"In truth you are nothing but a vandal and a censorship apologist, dishonest to the core and empty of any sort of good faith. You should just die.
>>736743429shit I fell for itpretending to be retarded worked today I guess
>>736743925>admits it's bad>solely blames capitalism, refuses to acknowledge that these days it's always hypersensitive culture warriors at the helm>implies that the people acknowledging this are in fact the culture warriors, and they're definitely not responding to an attack on their culture, not at all!
>>736744002hey it will be fine, ok? just breath
>>736745557You're running interference, you're deflecting, you're going on the attack. All the hallmarks of a shill. Saying "BUT WHAT ABOUT THIS OTHER BAD TRANSLATION" does not make your shilling any less obvious.
>>736746081You clearly have no idea what you're talking about and its obvious you haven't the original trails or the remake at all. The remake localization by gung-ho is literally a 1:1 translation you know the thing that you all wantr and you still shit on it anyway.Sit your ass down and shut the fuck up you inbred nigger
>>736723256Nigger, people were already groaning and cringing with Working Designs' "how do you do fellow kids" translations, why would you retards think that your "tsundere = fragile male ego" modern translations wouldn't be rebuked exponentially harsher?
>>736746256yes, is 1:1 translation of a censored remake script we already established that.but why are you repeating it?
>>736744002>we finally get a trails games with a 1:1 good translation.I remember there being examples of the remake having the same garbage slang you see in other trails games. What are examples of 1:1 translations from the remake?
>>736746403Im sure you can provide these example right?>>736746398Ok NISA shill
>>736746537I didn't save the image. It might've been an english only screenshot, I don't save those because there's no Japanese for comparison. That or I just don't remember the folder it's in. Also I'm not asking only for good 1:1 translation. Bad 1:1 translation are also fine. Rewrites always have shit like that whenever the japanese has a joke, foreshadowing, anything really.
>>736746256The existence of one shitty translation doesn't mean you need to desperately defend another shitty translation
>>736746537you're chimping out again, who's this NISA you're talking about?
>>736723256>game is made by people in another country >game captures specific feeling and culture of country >retards from other country hamfistedly alter shit and insert their asinine propaganda >shit from original game is lost and overall quality is lowered It’s that simple, if someone doesn’t understand something that’s their problem.
>>736746897See you're so low IQ you can't differentiate between a change in the script and a shitty translation. You're so disgenuous you are literally putting NISA fanfiction garbage on the same level as a change in a script.
>>736746998NISA were the main vandalizes for trails games after Xseed. Though I think there's a anon that tries to defend Xseed by lampooning NISA instead of just calling them both out.
>>736726305It’s because they desperately fear their own incrementalist tactics being used against them and if they were ever to fall out of favor or lose power there is a very good chance they would never get back in since they just went full retard.
no point in these arguments if you faggots are just gonna pretend to act retarded to avoid points
>>736746998>who's this NISA you're talking about?Are you proud of acting like a ignorant retard? Do you enjoy shoving your dogshit opinion about topic you have no information on?
>>736747094ah, if only it were that..."Instead of finishing the game and then localizing the finished content, Nintendo flies in localization experts to Japan every two months to take a look at the work and suggest changes to the content in an effort to minimize drastic changes to its localized versions."https://slator.com/japanese-game-fans-to-nintendo-we-want-translated-not-localized-games/
>>736747225>you have no information on>actingso do I know who is NISA or I don't?That game, the Trails remake one, has censored dialogues even in the JP version, that's all I know, idk why the chimping out you're doing
>>736723256Hot take: localization is not necessarily. You can easily accomplish explaining something untranslatable with a footnote. Localization is the belief that we should try and pretend that what if the original art was made in a different language and culture. But it wasn’t. It was made for the language it was written in. Trying to change that is just LARPing and can even be considered cultural imperialism. Why does the Japanese reference have to be changed to an English reference? Maybe don’t consume Japanese media if you are frightened by Japanese things.
>>736747313>minimize drastic changes to its localized versionsI want to point out by the way, the reason this is a thing, is because NoA(and 8-4) are so garbage at their job they need the japanese writers to sandbag so the translators don't fail as hard.
>>736747434>don't know what NISA is>have never played a trails games>BUT HERE IS MY OPINION ON STUFF!Good for you I don't care about it tho
>>736736339I prefer that. Just explain the original meaning somewhere else. The game was made in Polish. Accept that or die.
>>736745796>Actually acted like a fucking victim and tried to get the industry changed, faggotOh yeah, through being a public critic she advocated that video games should have better representation for women, and not just use them as tools. How the fuck is that different from any other video game critic? How's that different from any anti-woke video game channel saying "go woke go broke" and telling people not to buy games with women in them? That's the same level of "trying to get the industry changed" fucking everyone putting games criticism out is "trying to get the industry changed" totalbiscuit tried to get the games industry changed, JoshStrifeHayes is trying to get the video game industry changed, LegendaryDrops is trying to get the video game industry changed, yet this level of hatred is reserved for anita. Why? Because gamers love feeling attacked. >You throw a fit when you don't get your way. You scream bloody murder and demand change in the most hysterical way possible, but the second you get pushback on those changes you dishonestly jeer "lol why are you so mad it's not a big deal"In truth you are nothing but a vandal and a censorship apologist, dishonest to the core and empty of any sort of good faith. You should just die.Nice opinion, what youtuber did you copy that from? You have nothing anon. You have no own opinion. You don't even fucking know what the wokies you hate so much want. What they like, who they are. You just fucking watch channels that tell you warped fucking stories of what their goals are, and you believe that, and fucking parrot it like the fucking faggot bird you are. And you have the birdballs to talk to me about good faith. You never watched a single full video of Anitas, yet you believe you know everything you need to know about the woman, and you don't even realize that you're just fucking reguritating lies other fags have told you, because you never bothered to check.
>>736747548So I was right, thank you.See? It wasn't that hard. :D
>>736723256>>this is a good thing>surefire sign that it's actually a bad thing
>>736747548To be fair, you don't need to play a game to have an opinion on the translation. Yeah you should but if the it's obvious enough. I've posted pic-related a hundred times. The issue is that the standard of quality is so fucking low at the moment(and it has been this low since NES), that we're not at the point where game knowledge matters. The errors are obvious even with zero context.
Where do you even start for learning jp?
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>>736747694Yep you win good job you can continue being a larper poser that doesn't play games.
>>736723568All of the good faith arguments for localization have been ran through the ground.
>>736747834Most people start as children in Japan. But some start later in life.
>>736747853Thanks, I'll continue to point out censhorship when I see it.
>>736748019A true /v/ warrior Asmongold fan right there I can only kneel in front of your presence.
>>736723256Localizers should be placed in a pit and the pit should be filled by a great inferno.Inshallah!
>>736727920Exactly. I read Jojo part 4 with badly translated Dujang version and every moment still hit just as hard. Localizers are fooling themselves if they think they bring anything of importance to the table.
>>736747114>can't differentiate between a change in the script and a shitty translationYeah, a translation that can't use the word "woman" in a context that even slightly implies weakness is wonderful. No flaws at all.And having that changed in the Japanese version? Just perfect, now there's no reason to learn Japanese because it's all pozzed at the source!
>>736748080These argument makes no sense. One side alleges the remake has a 1:1 translation, the other alleges the Remake is censored compared to the original. These aren't even mutually exclusive points. Somehow you're this far in the thread there's only one image of the remake and it doesn't even have the english dialouge in it. So there's the japanese source text, but there's nothing showing whether the english translates it properly.
>>736748519*This argument
>>736747848Sorry anon, truth is: I'm yelling at myself. I too, was one of these faggots who believed every lie about anita, until I actually researched her myself. So now I get unreasonably annoyed when I see how much people still believe all the lies told about her. Nothing hits worse than your own reflection, ya know?
>>736748519The original might as well be censored with how much Xsneed change the dialogue.
>>736747519>justification for the censorship at the Japanese level>In recent years, there has been an in crease in comparisons highlighting the changes between overseas and Japanese versionsOY VEYYYYYYY. THIS IMAGE IS EXTREMELY ANTI-SEMITIC. DELETE IT YOU FUCKING INSENSITIVE BIGOT
>>736725615>no change to sentence structureAnon this delusional is
>>736747616>Oh yeah, through being a public critic she advocated that video games should have better representation for women,I see, it's "advocacy" when grifters who don't even play games hysterically whine about them, but t's "being outraged" and "feeling like an oppressed minority" when I'm dissatisfied with your heavy-handed, bad-faith changes to my hobby.A wokesold grifter making open threats against developers with "problematic" characters though? So innocent and reasonable.I'm not even going to bother reading the rest of your post, I can already tell that you are despicably dishonest. You're not worth my time.
>>736725615nice pasta
>>736749013>I'm not even going to bother reading the rest of your postThe smarter play is not to read it at all.
>>736743191Man I miss when Awkward Zombie was funny. Whenever she got old she got boring and gay.
>>736728363A lot of retards like that are delusional faggots that probably play multiple chinese gacha games in the shitty japanese localizations and have a preschooler's understanding of japanese at best
>>736723256>when it is, by and large, good?That's if you're only factoring things like booksVideogame localization started usable, went shit, had a small period of time where it was passable, and then continued to be shitAI is the first thing in this industry that will replace localizers and I can not fucking wait.
>>736747616Actually I did read more of it, just to confirm my suspicion.>parroting youtubers>no opinion of your ownLefty tactics 101. If you can't argue against someone's position, pretend that position is fake somehow, either in terms of sincerity or the validity of its attainment.>You never watched a single full video of AnitasOh, I did. I actually engage with the ideas and people I'm opposed to, unlike leftists who can only ever take dishonest swipes at delusions of their own making.I know exactly what your kind are, and exactly what you want. Every demented position you hold is right out there in the open. You are pathologically unable to stop chimping out at everything you disapprove of, but you are also pathological liars so you'll turn on a dime and pretend your beliefs are different when called out.But we know.Anyway I'm really done with you now. I don't even care that I'm stealing the last word, because fuck you, you deserve much worse than poor etiquette.
>>736749093Nobody ever accused me of being smart
>>736749013>when grifters who don't even play gamesSee? This is exactly what the fuck I mean. OF COURSE SHE PLAYS GAMES. She's a fucking gamer. But man, people just spread these fucking lies about her, and it's taken as true. Because she had some basic feminism 101 critiques of games. She never even wanted anything censored or anything. All this bitch wanted was: "Ayo, please make better female characters" and that justifies all the lies? All the bullshit? Like the fuck do you mean "my hobby". it's OUR hobby nigger. And neither Anita, nor me, nor you are making changes. All 3 of us, are just fucking saying what we'd like to see from the industry. PLEASE for the love of god, stop believing all this retarded shit anti-wokes tell you wokes do. It's all fucking lies and out of context bullshit. It's all mischaracterization. >>736749093Anti-intellectualism at it's finest: "Yeah, I'd rather keep believing the comfortable lies that say that I'm right and she is wrong, rather than maybe look into it even a little bit and realize that a core part of my believes about another person have been born from lies and deception of people wanting me outraged for their cause".
>>736723256It's like camerawork, if you notice it, then it means somethings wrong.The fact that there's this much discorse about localization shows you how ludicrously incompetent they are.
>>736749425If you speak the truth, then tell me what is so bad of anita, that you actually looked into. That you confirmed to be true.
>>736723256>reddit wall>THIS *clap* IS *clap* A *clap* GOOD *clap* THINGOpinion discarded
>>736723256I share Tolkien’s opinion on localization.
>>736749559>OF COURSE SHE PLAYS GAMESYou know you could fool me when she fundamentally misunderstands the games she is showcasing in order to try to make it more damning. Hey, remember when she almost never showcased her own gameplay? Remember when she used Hitman to make a point about how the game rewards victimizing female symbols of sexuality, even as the game penalizes the player in the background? She was a grifter grifting.
>>736723256The last example would be -almost- necessary but everyone who's consumed japanese media already knows that any sentence less formal than legal jargon implicitly ends in "by the way I pissed on your mother's breakfast omelette yesterday"
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>>736723256Remember to never argue with someone who pretends not to understand what woke means.
>Actually responding to the anitafagWe had over a decade of gamergate crap where they kept lying and doubling down. You should know by now the only fitting response is to tie these mongrols to a car and drag them through the street. Typical leftist whining and pilpul
>>736723256Kill yourself, slopeater.
>>736749768Not really. It's not uncommon but japanese people are normal people. Normal people are not constantly passive-aggressive, or insulting you. If anything it's the opposite, they try really hard to avoid accidental insults. The idea of everything being secretly an insult is more American than Japanese.
>>736749559>OF COURSE SHE PLAYS GAMESShe buys them to pose with them, then lifts footage from other people. Maybe she played a couple but she's not the gamer she represents herself as.Smells like a grifter to me desu
>>736749856>muh leftistsShut the fuck up, brainwashed mutt
>>736749718>she fundamentally misunderstands the games she is showcasing in order to try to make it more damning.Where? Post the example anon. I'm not trying to be a dick here. I'm not saying you guys are assholes. I fucking believed it too. You're not a bad guy for trusting a guy who told you that this chick is full of shit, but I'm begging you: believe me now when I tell you: All these cases where people are saying "she doesn't game", "she misunderstands the game" etc, they're fucking liyng about her. They are taking her words out of context, and purposfully misrepresenting her to make you mad at her. Like: >Remember when she used Hitman to make a point about how the game rewards victimizing female symbols of sexuality, even as the game penalizes the player in the background?That's not what fucking happened anon. That's from the video called "Women as decoration": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZPSrwedvsg The point she is making here, is that in games female characters are often used as objects for the presumed male player to play with. That part of the game mechanics allow you mess around with eroticised female characters. For this example: she shows hitman absolution's strip club level. A level where this is undoubtedly true. She never says that the game rewards you for hurting women, she never claims that the game incentivizes you for doing this. That's all fucking lies people have told you to make you hate her. Check for yourself. I linked the video. HELL she even mentions that there is a penalty for murding these women. Saying that consequences for doing this are trivial. Which again: is true. You don't get a game over or anything, you just lose points. If you're not going for high score: who cares?She really is not the monster people made her out to be. She's just a basic ass game critic, doing basic analysis.
>>736749627>If you speak the truth, then tell me what is so bad of anita, that you actually looked into. That you confirmed to be true.Grifting.Threatening developers to hire her as a consultant or face cancellation.Dishonest, bad faith allegations of "harm" to push her anti-free-expression agenda.
>>736750146>lifts footage from other peopleUsing lets play footage for b-roll is pretty normal, anon.After all: she's not making a review of the game, she's not making a lets play. She's making a critique about how women are treated and can be treated in video games. What difference does it make if she records herself, or if she uses available footage? A ton of people talking about video games use available footage. Her worst crime in this aspect is that she was didn't cite all her video sources. Something she was not required to do at all, but IS common courtesy on youtube.And also I would argue: If you are making a point about how men treat women in video games, isn't taking someone elses authentic footage more honest than recording yourself bashing womens heads in?
>>736750327*Ties a rope around your neck*
>>736750367She fundamentally does not understand Hitman as a game if she thinks locking yourself out of a good grade on the mission isn’t a bad penalty. The hitman games are score games first and foremost, they are otherwise just very easy shooters. It’s like stating that Devil May Cry or Bayonetta doesn’t meaningfully penalize using only three attack types in a single fight, the score is literally the point.
>>736750553>isn’t taking someone else’s footage hore honest than recording yourself bashing womens heads inIronic then that her bespoke gameplay almost exclusively did this, while her stolen gameplay was basic playthroughs.
>>736750429Anon. She made a fucking joke on twitter. Someone did something shitty and she jokingly said she's available for consultation. That's not threatening, man. The dude who made the Aloy horizon face-app pic and tweeted "hire gamers" was he "threatening" a games company? Because that's the same joke, just from a different political perspective. Are we really this far, that we are seeing someone we hate make a joke, and we have to treat it like it's a serious threat? For fucks sake, think anon. Don't you fucking think, that if she actually meant it as a honest threat. That if it is, what you claim it is, that she would have done it IN PRIVATE???????? If she wanted to blackmail a company? Don't you think she would have written an email, going "Hey, wouldn't want this to get out...."? CLEARLY it's an obvious fucking twitter joke. Pic related. It's the tweet. Clearly she's just roasting them AFTER they got into a bit of a shitstorm. Do you REALLY think this is an honest attempt at blackmail? Really? Anon, it's okay to accept that you have been mislead.
>>736750851>this influencer is merely making a joke, not threatening to leverage their audience!I know you aren’t naive. I am trying to believe you aren’t intentionally dishonest.
>>736727338They sure act like AI bros who claimed they don't need artists anymore when all of their "works" are directly based on the original authors. Maybe replacing these localizers with AI slop would be the right decision after all, if they're this similar.
>>736750367>I fucking believed it too.Of course you did. You don't sound at all like a hardcore supporter pretending to be "once like you" to sow doubt.>video attacking out of the way characters who aren't the objective and risk ruining the whole mission>"players are invited to explore and exploit">"players can't help treating these female bodies as things to be acted upon, because they were designed, constructed, and placed in the environment for that singular purpose">"players are meant to derive a perverse pleasure from desecrating">you can act upon them like any other NPC in the world = the developers wanted and intended the players to do it, the player is incentivized to do it, the player can't help itShe's full of shit. She doesn't understand the game she's talking about. She probably never played it.
>>736750851A joke. How convenient.I'm sure thugs saying "It'd be a shame if something happened to your shop" right before collecting protection money is just a joke too.
>>736750685Anon, she's not talking about hitman specifically. She's talking about what games let you do to women, and how doing these things only have trivial consequences. And in terms of games: Yes, a score penalty is a trivial penalty. A game over is a hard penalty. It doesn't matter that Hitman is a score game. Almost every single anon who has ever played Hitman, spend time doing a mission "murder hobo" style. Without caring about the score. Yeah, obviously if you are going for a high score, you're not gonna kill random strippers. But she's not, and has never said: "Killing the sluts is the best way to win hitman!" She talked about ways video games allow you to treat women. And might I add: you also accidentally shifted the goalposts here. Because the original claim here was that Anita claimed that games reward you for killing random women. Now I pointed out that no, she didn't, and you're changing it to: "okay, well, but she didn't understand the game properly because it's a score game and you get a bad score for doing it". Which was never the argument, and again she addressed even in the video. Like I said: Pretty much all claims against anita are like this. It's fucking crazy. It's all fucking lies. I BELIEVED IT TOO. And I'm not gonna say: "anon, you gotta be a feminist now!" Fuck that, I don't care about your political agenda. I just care about truth. You can still think that video game feminism doesn't matter at all, and that's fine. Just realize that probably everything you have believed about anita up until now was some sort of lie, or mischaracterization. Doesn't mean you have to agree with her on feminism. Just means you gotta realize some other faggot lied to you, to get you angry at her.
>Have actually awoken ancient anitafag from his slumber>Pulls out his folder right awayThe more I argued with them, the better I came to know their dialectic. First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary, and then, when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid. If all this didn't help, they pretended not to understand, or, if challenged, they changed the subject in a hurry, quoted platitudes which, if you accepted them, they immediately related to entirely different matters, and then, if again attacked, gave ground and pretended not to know exactly what you were talking about. Whenever you tried to attack one of these apostles, your hand closed on a jelly-like slime which divided up and poured through your fingers, but in the next moment collected again. But if you really struck one of these fellows so telling a blow that, observed by the audience, he couldn't help but agree, and if you believed that this had taken you at least one step forward, your amazement was great the next day. The Jew had not the slightest recollection of the day before, he rattled off his same old nonsense as though nothing at all had happened, and, if indignantly challenged, affected amazement; he couldn't remember a thing, except that he had proved the correctness of his assertions the previous day. Sometimes I stood there thunderstruck. I didn't know what to be more amazed at: the agility of their tongues or their virtuosity at lying.
Not reading all that. And. That's. A. Good. Thing.
>>736750936>>736751204Anons. Be for fucking real. This was after a controversy happened. And she's making a snide remark. How can she says "be a shame if anything happened to your company" AFTER THE DRAMA ALREADY HAPPENED. How can she blackmail CDPR, with cancellation, when the "offending" thing already went viral? Please. PLEASE use your brains. She's being a snarky bitch on twitter, sure. But you gotta be mentally fucking retarded to the max, to believe that this tweet is an honest attempt of her to use blackmail to get a consulting gig. Get so fucking real.
>>736751226But she portrayed Hitman specifically, used Hitman as a specific example, and used Hitman as THE poster child for a methodology of game development she asserted existed. See >>736751139, she isn’t merely using Hitman as a random example. Hell, she could have done better killing hookers for money in a GTA game, but it isn’t as shocking for the audience to run up and punch an NPC until it ragdolls and possible money falls out compared to garroting a woman in her underwear and dragging her by the throat.
>>736751334They are saying they relate with the creep character and censored it because it makes them uncomfortable lol
>>736751334These people need to be fired.
>>736751389She is literally using her platform to perpetuate the drama. Do you think the use of twitter is merely coincidental? Do you not know how twitter feeds work? Anita is using Twitter to effectively “loop in” any parts of her audience that don’t already know, in hopes of a show of force.
>>736751493I don’t understand. What’s wrong with the right translation? It sounds perfectly natural and fine. The left translation is both completely wrong and it doesn’t sound like anything anyone would actually say.
>>736723256The example of words spoken by backwater people missing characters being untranslatable is untrue, in fact a lot of backwater accents in English just forgo the first syllable, like saying 'spose instead of suppose.
>>736751574The left translation is capitalizing on the “nonbinary” fad by turning it into a pun. The character is a programmer or some shit, so the localizer thought it was a super clever line.
>>736723256Just give me raw AI instead of a transgendered bitch boy writing their genderbait fanfiction rather than the original. It will be 100% more accurate than the useless shit eating faggot diversity hire.
>>736743130It isn't about whether they said it or not. But they sure as hell imply that they are.
>>736744002>we finally get a trails games with a 1:1 good translationWhen? Because it certainly hasn't been the last few releases.
>>736723256only read the two bold parts and decided it's not worth it to continue afterwards. it will surely be some extremely retarded drivel
>>736751671No; any English translation post gamer gate from Japanese has been gender-queer propaganda translation that's almost an abridged version of the original. They try to promote their ID-Pol bullshit through English because average gamer won't know the difference from the Original before they hear the voice lines if they are at least somewhat aware of Japanese.
>>736751139>Of course you did. You don't sound at all like a hardcore supporter pretending to be "once like you" to sow doubt.I mean what do you want me to say? Of course I believe all that shit. I watched the anti-anita videos. I realized I was being mislead after in one video somebody put an out of context clip of her saying "everything is sexist, everything is racist, and you have to point it all out" and I thought: "that's a bit convenient to just admit her agenda like that", and it turns out it was clipped out of context, where she made a self deprecating joke about how when she first became a feminist and started learning this shit you become the most annoying person and are like "[quote]". I then checked what else was taken out of context from her and discovered: Pretty much everything. >risk ruining the whole missionRisk it, yes but not failing it. Hence: trivial consequence.>players are meant to derive a perverse pleasure from desecratingI mean yes, that's why they are there. For you to enjoy doing with them what you want>can act upon them like any other NPCThe difference here being that male characters are not hyper sexualized like the strippers in Absolution. That is her point here. Remember the topic is: "Women as decoration" objects for male enjoyment. Not just the mere fact that you can kill women. >She's full of shit. She doesn't understand the game she's talking about.No anon, you don't understand the feminism point being made. You are hyperfocusing on the goal of the game, and in that tunnelvision missing the secondary effects of the game design, which she is critiqueing through the lens of basic feminism. She understands the game fine. You are hyperfocused on the main goal of hitman, and she is not. She is interested in gameplay and game design choices and what they say, philosophically. You are correct that what the player is doing is not the goal of the game, but you are wrong in implying that she thinks that is what hitman is about.
>>736751601We need more people like this guy for getting these pozzed localizers out of job
>>736723256Localization is easy, but trannylizers just can't help to shove outdated memes, pointless censorship, and political propaganda into their works.Ted Woosley got a lot of flak in the late 90s for his works but goddamn they're masterpieces compared to modern localizations of Japanese games.
>>736730252This entire claim is born from cherry-picked examples of shit localisation like from some Trails games, Metroid Other M or Fire Emblem Fates (which isn't as bad as many suggest, not that it's good though). There is definitely this desire for it to be 1:1 aside from specific idioms and phrases that don't make sense. Otherwise, they want literal translations all the time, eve when it (often) means dialogue that is much less expressive than the Japanese dialogue and makes most characters sound way more tame than they actually are.
>>736751454She uses GTA literally a couple minutes before the Hitman clip.
>>736723568this.too many of them have openly mocked the audience and told them they WILL continue to ruin their favorite franchises, and there's zero pushback from other localizers against it.
>>736736412>>736723568100% these.It's a niche, incestuous industry captured by activists that try to gatekeep and gaslight their opinions as fact.
>>736750553>Using lets play footage for b-roll is pretty normal, anon.Pretending it's your footage as part of your gamer LARP is deceitful. Not crediting the actual creators comes across as highly deceitful in this instance. It's almost like she had an agenda and didn't want anybody questioning her gamer credentials, or her need for the $158,922 she made. Sadly, if she had honestly credited the footage we know she took, nobody would have had any reason to doubt her honesty, or the remainder of her footage. As it is, one is led to question whether she played any of the games she covered.>If you are making a point about how men treat women in video games, isn't taking someone elses authentic footage more honest than recording yourself bashing womens heads in?Not if you are allowing people to think that it is you playing, no.I'm also fairly sure she didn't even deliver all the videos she promised, but that may have changed since I last cared to check, I suppose.
>>736751918Holy fuck what a bastardization. These niggers deserve rope asap.
>>736751389>But you gotta be mentally fucking retarded to the max, to believe that this tweet is an honest attempt of her to use blackmail to get a consulting gig.It's obvious to everyone who isn't you or one of her other deranged supporters.
>>736751923Cool, well maybe she should have used GTA as the only background, because possibly getting a little money in exchange for notoriety is an objectively better showcase of her assertion than dragging some woman around in a game that only penalizes you for it.
>>736751906>This entire claim is born from cherry-picked examples of shit localisationPost some examples of good localization.
>>736739124>Yet for some reason it's really fucking easy to tell when the script has been fucked with. Why do you think that is? Why are people noticing? What's the actual issue in your opinion?Relatively fringe instances of retarded politics being interjected, unnecessary modifications (like, it would sound just as expressive/match the original tone with a literal translation) etc. But these are by no means the majority. They're very much the minority and most changes are made due to irrefutable cultural differences in regards to how specific character tropes are expressed between Japanese and English. Japanese often signals a character’s personality through levels of politeness built into the language, rather than just tone or word choice like in English. Different pronouns and verb forms can sound respectful, neutral, or outright rude, even though they technically mean the same thing. This just can't be conveyed properly in direct translations, so that's where localisation comes in.
>>736725847>no, no, you don't understand, we just had to waste WEEKS on coming up with this retarded as trannyslator shit when anyone in the audience knows perfectly well what a tsundere isAI can't make these fuckers homeless soon enough
>>736751572Okay, but the charge of: "She adds to an ongoing drama by talking about it" is a lot different than: "she is trying to blackmail this company for a paid position" isn't it? And like: Fuck, are we going to apply this rule to all faggots on twitter who tweet about drama? Does this rule apply to everyone tweeting "go woke go broke" when a woke game flops? Are they like anita then, but for the right? No, obviously not. Like all twitter posters, she saw some drama, she added her two cents, she made a snide comment, and most importantly: because the drama involved perceived sexism, something deeply tied to her field as a critic, she felt like she had 2 cents to add. It's a fucking tweet. I think the fact that this dumb fucking tweet, that literally nothing gets repeatedly mentioned as her "trying to blackmail a company", really shows how some people are trying to paint her in the worst possible light.
>>736752063This is proper trolling the current left is just culture war trannyfying things.
>>736752136Anon, it is literally her profession to pressure studios to pay her. Hell, nowadays, now that engagement=money, you’re completely right to call a lot of twitter people grifters, they don’t even need the angle of their additional profession anymore.She is adding to the drama, advertising herself, and notifying more people of the drama, all in one. It’s a basic move within the influencer profession.
>>736751874>I mean what do you want me to say? Of course I believe all that shit.You can say what you want, but I doubt I'll believe it.>Risk it, yes but not failing it. Hence: trivial consequence.It is not at all incentivized, as she dishonestly claimed and tried to suggest with "her" cherry-picked footage.>I mean yes, that's why they are there. For you to enjoy doing with them what you wantThey are there to populate the level. In the sense that they, like every other NPC, is there to provide freedom and interactivity, you can call them objects. That is basic stuff for a video game. It is not remotely reasonable to say that players are meant to derive a perverse sense of pleasure from "desecrating" them.>The difference here being that male characters are not hyper sexualized like the strippers in Absolution. That is her point here.It's a stupid point. They are equally as disposable as the strippers and they function equally as set dressing. She invokes their sexualized appearance only to alarm and fearmonger.>You are hyperfocused on the main goal of hitman, and she is not.She neither understands nor cares about the main goal. Only her twisted misrepresentation of the game she seeks to vilify.
>>736723596I agree, generally speaking. I also find it unfortunate because these faggots make it so difficult to have genuine discussions about the subject of localisation because it is an interesting one. There are genuine issues with it that are definitely worthy of discussion and criticism, but these retarded sub-humans drown out any opportunity for that to ever happen. And this vocal minority is under that stupid "all change is bad" mentality. Note: not all people critical of localisation believe that. I had a discussion with someone who was critical of the Dragon Quest 11 localisation on Reddit once and they talked about how they didn't like it personally, but they still recognised that it was their own personal opinion and we were both civil, because I personally do not dislike DQ11's localisation, but I see why they disliked it.
>>736752271Nintendo of America and their trannylators...
>>736726026>because they stop you from enjoying work from other cultures from the perspective of that cultureIf you want to understand the perspective of another culture, you're best taking lessons in their language or not learning it through video games alone. >if you arent translating 1:1 you should be bullied out of the field, I pay to access the creators vision, not the vision of some terminally online faggots who push slang people wont understand in 10 years at best and rewrite everything according to their own political vieuws at worstThen you're proving that other anon correct with not knowing jackshit about localisation as a concept, or the undeniable issues with that 1:1 BS. There is definitely an issue of injecting personal political views in when it isn't warranted and making something age poorly when it doesn't need to, but they aren't exactly the default. They're fringe occurrences, when looking at the bigger picture, and are called out plenty, and rightfully so. But this goes beyond that with these cunts.
I'm not even halfway through the folder what the fuck!
Why is it always for Japanese literature though?I can read translation of Asterix and they are just fine. I can read translation of Russian novels and they do not turn Borscht into Sauerkraut mit Eisbein just because it's been translated to German.Outside of changes that are necessary because there was no other way to convey the same meaning in another language, they are just the same story with the same characterization and everything, but in another language.But when it comes to Japanese media, at least contemporary one, some fucking troon has to fuck around with it and inject its fanfiction.
>>736752629>U-uhm w-well ackshually your best...Shut the fuck up nerd its not the fan's fault the game is shat on by trannies with their disgusting kike shit that spoils the game for them. Fuck off. Global Audience pandering is just kike and commie pandering. Completely redundant like multiple genders being acknowledged. There is only two.
>>736752696Fighting the good fight, anon
>>736751997>Pretending it's your footageBut she never pretended it's her footage? She never once said that it's her playing, or that she recorded it. You fucking made that up, you sneaky bugger. You took the fact that she took lets play footage, and instead of honestly representing that fact and saying "she took lets play footage" you are twisting the truth by saying "she pretended it to be her footage for gamer cred". Now THAT is deceitful. Unless you can show a singular incident where she ACTUALLY claimed it was her footage for her "larp"? No, she took footage she was fully in her right to take, to illustrate something about games that is true regardless if she records it herself, or if she takes it from another person. It doesn't change a single fact. You are presenting it as deceit because you already have a negative image of her, when there is no actual deceit happening. However: I do agree that it would have been better etiquette to credit the channels. But that's a far cry from deceit. >Not if you are allowing people to think that it is you playing, no.But she isn't? Like, she never claimed it. I mean fuck, at best we can agree to a neutral here, I guess? She could have done better in making it clear I guess, but she never actually showed any deceitful intend, ot pretended it was her. >I'm also fairly sure she didn't even deliver all the videos she promised, but that may have changed since I last cared to check, I suppose.I can clear this one up! So she originally promised 12 videos, I believe, and ended up delivering 6 (with some in multi parts). Some tried to get on her case about this, but again: misleading. the original videos were supposed to be 10-12 minutes long so 144 minutes in total at max, and her first video 3 parter alone is 1 hour and 15 minutes. The total series being 6 hours and 1 minute. So much, much longer than what was originally promised, but in fewer videos. I think that's fair enough, right?
>>736752696This must be the "flavor" and "punchiness" I've heard so much about. Thank goodness we have localizers to save us from icky dry Japanese!
>>736736647>Or really bad Nintendo Treehouse style fanfictionI always found this concept ridiculous. I am not saying they're your views personally, but I've seen that echoed by retards who actually believe this. Treehouse is actually pretty good, all things considered. They have some disagreeable choices, but they're better than most weebfags give them credit for.
>>736752732Because the fags and trannies hate that the japanese won't bow to their whims like the pathetic western content producers. They hate the people who are the reason they have a fucking job and home. They can't stand the intended audience and want them to suffer.
>>736752696>Being able to post multiple picsI miss eightchan
>>736723256The majority of cunts in this thread can be summarised with the image you see here.
>>736727338I would just like to remind everyone of the easiest gotcha anytime some faggot localizer says shit like this. A "case study" if you will.Two localizers took the endless dick sucking to heart and made their own game. NO ONE BOUGHT IT. There's a reason these losers don't have real jobs and need to cope about being "real writers" when all they do is poorly translate someone else's world, characters and plot.And because of how celebrated these retards are, you shouldn't even need to mention the name of the game because such talented writers should easily be known to them. Right?
>>736752057Anon. My original claim was: "pretty much everything you learned about anita was a lie, out of context or a mischaracterization" I was then provided with a claim why anita is a lying grifter:The original anti anita claim was that anita claimed you get rewarded for killing women in Hitman. I then proved that this is not true, she never claimed this, and that her point while showing hitman footage was, that the game allowed you to mess around with sexualized women (strippers) with very little real penalty (score reduction instead of game over). What you're getting into, killing strippers for cash, that's a whole different feminist argument that can be made, and at that point we're just discussing the merits of vidya feminism. And like I said before: I don't really care if anons believe video game feminism is valid or not. That's up to each anon individually. I'm just pointing out that pretty much all claims made about anita in the last decade are bullshit. And as you can see from the video: it was bullshit. At this point we're just arguing about how a point could be made better, and yeah, sure. But doesn't change the fact that the claim against anita, like most claims against anita, was a lie. And fuck, again: I don't blame ANY anon for believing that shit. I believed it myself. But the people making anti-anita content just flat out lied to us. It is what it is.
>>736752793The assumption that the background footage is from the presenter is absolutely something she was playing upon, and her refusal to credit its source is damning. She is adding legitimacy onto herself with someone else’s work.>she never claimed itThe association is unspoken. She is literally a media critic, this kind of association is one she is well educated in.>this entire final line of copeShe promised more topics than she delivered. This is openly flaunting promises made at her funding goals. She’s fraudulent like many early kickstarters that overpromised and underdelivered. Talking more about one topic does not absolve someone from the other obligations made.
>>736737090Absolute shit comparison. Learning Japanese is a difficult but very achievable task. That other shit you mention involves specialised equipment, owning lots of land and other highly difficult things to achieve. Why do you think learning a new language is considered a hobby by many? Retard.
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>>736723256I'm not reading all this shitjust don't trans-late and it's gonna be ok
>>736753079She claimed the reward is intrinsic and designed for, she claimed the player is pushed to murder these strippers for perverse thrill. Only there is no incentive.
>>736731908The only way for people to understand just how shit localizers are is to "localize" a western game as if it were a Japanese game. Take something the retards love like nu-GOW or TLOU. Take that big moment where the little girl dies for instance.Far too serious, no one could possibly feel emotion from that. So let's add in some dad jokes because serious moments don't belong in video games. Also the blood isn't safe for children so let's censor it. I'm sure no one would be bothered by that.
>>736752073Any attempt I make, you'll call bad. You clowns consider all change to be bad, so what's the point?
>>736752740Fucking hell, I can't believe I thought /v/ had the potential to be a decent place for simple video game discussion. Fuck off back to /pol/, retard.
>>736753305Shocking.
>>736753305Let me localize your post for you: "I suck giant cocks and am a lying niggerjew". A good localization, no need to thank me
>>736753305What a pathetic copout, you bitch about people buying into "cherry-picked examples" of bad localization but refuse to post good examples.
>>736752360>but I doubt I'll believe it.All I can do is tell you that I'm honest. Why would I lie about this shit? I could just as easily claim: "I've never fallen for this" or be hostile and say: "you gotta be retarded to fall for it, here's the truth". Would that change your opinion on my argument? Probably not. I used to be anti anita, then I learned how most of this shit ain't true, that's it. Again: I don't even want you to become a feminist or agree with the points she made. I'm fine with you saying "actually, video game bitches ain't real, rape 'em for all I care". All *I* care about, is letting you know that you've been lied to about her character. Not that you need to share her views.>It is not at all incentivized, as she dishonestly claimed and tried to suggest with "her" cherry-picked footage.She does not. Plus: how is it cherry picked? We already established she didn't record it herself. If she easily found a lets play where someone is killing hookers, can we call that cherry picked? Again: she never says that the game rewards you for this. She talks about things the game (and other games) let you do with very little punishment. Noting that penalties exist, but are trivial, is the opposite of claiming that it is incentivized.>They are there to populate the levelYes but go deeper. Why did they have to be strippers? Because it's a stripclub. Why did it have to be a stripclub? As an excuse to put in strippers. Again: it's not just "you can kill them" this section is about sexualized womens bodies. Something Hitman absolution is particularly bad with, having pointless BDSM sex nun assassins and such. That's the feminsim argument again. >It's a stupid point.Fair. I'm not here to make you care about video game feminism. I'm just telling you that the original claim that she said "the game rewards you for this" was a lie. The rest of this point is also just discussing video game feminsim. I can get into it if you want but it's a bit besides the point.
>>736752360>>736753482Hit the character limit:>She neither understands nor cares about the main goal.She understands the main goal, but you are still viewing the video like it is a review of Hitman. It is not. It's a look at how sexualized, objectified bodies can be treated and appear in video games. And to that end, it does not matter what the goal of the game is, nor is it a misrepresentation, as both you and me can boot the game up right now and prove that everything she said you can do, is indeed something you can do.
>>736753243Let the dying girl spout some bullshit about patriarchy while we're at it
>>736743784Just like with FE Engage. EVERY SINGLE ROMANCE was censored out but they laser focussed on the loli and claimed >ONLY THE LOLIS WERE CENSORED ONLY PEDOS ARE MADThey do this shit all the time.
>>736723256If your instinct is to sit down and write that many fucken words about video games, it's time to stop.
>>736744201>This is still retarded btwAnd yet the only time faggots say this is when people bring up how it's left alone compared to Japanese. It's never brought up in any other context let alone on it's own.
>>736753106>The assumption that the background footage is from the presenter is absolutely something she was playing uponCan you point to any point in any of her videos that proves this? I watched the series and I never got the impressions that she was trying to pass it off as her own footage, at all. I'm interested to see which video and which part made you feel like she was trying to tell you it was her footage. >She is literally a media criticMedia critics quite often work with footage they have not provided themselves. Are you maybe mistaking her for a reviewer? Those are often expected to show their own footage, but she is not reviewing games. She is critiquing how women appear in games. To that end, I personally say she wouldn't even need to *play* the games, just watching would give you that info. >She promised more topics than she delivered.I don't know about that. Again she promised 12 videos 10-12 minutes each, and she almost covered that much ground with a single video. Calling that cope.. I dunno. If someone tells me: "hey you're gonna get 12 x 12 minute videos" and I end up getting fewer viedeos but more than double the total length in video, I'd be fine with that. But fair enough, I guess that part is somewhat subjective and I can't fault you for rather having less content but in more, less in depth videos, I just don't quite subscribe to that reasoning.
>>736753242>She claimed the reward is intrinsic and designed forShe claimed the player is invited to do this, which he is. It's a sandbox-y game, the player is invited to do all sorts of shenanigans. But again: she never said what the original claim said she said. >she claimed the player is pushed to murder these strippers for perverse thrill.never said pushed. I think that's putting words in her mouth, but I'll overlook it.
>>736752793You can pretend something is true without stating it is true. That is still deceit. She cultivated the image of herself as a gamer, stated in her kickstarter that she needed money for all the games she would be playing for the videos (and if playing them, why not record your own footage?) and as discussed did not credit any of the footage she took which is not only a bigger faux pas than you are allowing for, it is a lie of omission.Her misrepresentation of games is also a clear sign of dishonesty. Either she played them and chose to lie about them, or she didn't play them and pretended she did. Either way: grifter.>I think that's fair enough, right?It was 10-20 minutes per video, but the math still works out so fair enough I guess. I personally don't think doing longer in some videos releases you from your obligation to make all the videos you promised, but it's better than it could be (and I don't really care that much).
>>736744201Please, delineate between “watashi”, “ore”, “washi”, “boku”, and “ore-sama” in a way that sounds natural in another language. “Herr” and “Monsieur” have direct analogues. This is “me (polite, possibly feminine)” “me (overtly masculine)” “Me (Archaic, probably a nerd)” “me (boyish)” and “me (impossibly masculine and ostentatious)”
>>736753305People post examples of bad translations that people call good all the time. Many people have attacked golden boys like the Vagrant Story Translation or Final Fantasy 14. Metaphor won an award for narrative, yet many have critiqued that translation. I find the pretense that defending these translations is an uphill battle, ridiculous. It's way easier to claim that a bad translation is good than that a good translation is bad.
>>736747616>And you have the birdballs to talk to me about good faith.Nigger, you can't even pretend to be native here. Your cum-guzzling way of talking is unique to reddit and your kind ALWAYS expose yourselves. You aren't an Anon. You aren't "just screaming at yourself because you used to believe everything about that lying cunt that got to go to the UN(strange how you leave that part out)" You're a lying rat-faced jew.
>>736750367>A level where this is undoubtedly true.Hang on a second. So what you're saying then is that THIS IS THE ONLY LEVEL IN THE ENTIRE GAME where you can interact with dead bodies like that?Man, I wonder what the rest of Hitman Absolution is like if that is the ONLY level in the WHOLE game where you can interact with dead bodies.
>>736750429You forgot "somehow" getting a free ride to the UN.The fact that her words were word for word matches to Joshua Macintosh's.
>>736750851>Someone did something shittyWhat was that "something shitty," Anon? Please don't leave out something that sounds rather important to the overall outcome like that?
>>736753886>i never got the impressionIf she had acknowledged even once that the background was not her during the runtime, I could see it. But she knew legitimacy was necessary, and so she added legitimacy by letting the audience assume that she had any experience in these games. I don’t feel it is uncharitable to assume that she isn’t naive. I do come away from her with the opinion that she is utterly unversed in anything that is not rudimentary gender critique, that she herself did not even write. I view Anita as a cashgrab.>i don’t know about thatWhen topics are outlined that are then abandoned, even if not abandoned topics are covered in more depth, I think most people would see that as a shirk of a promise. But hey, I’m not her audience, I didn’t donate.
>>736751389>This was after a controversy happenedA controversy?What controversy? Please enlighten us on this controversy, oh wise one.
>>736753152>Absolute shit comparison. Learning Japanese is a difficult but very achievable task. That other shit you mention involves specialised equipment, owning lots of land and other highly difficult things to achieve. Why do you think learning a new language is considered a hobby by many? Retard.The point is it's a ridiculous position to take. "Just do it yourself" is a terrible defense for shitty work. The entire point of the job is to provide a translation so others don't HAVE to learn an entire language. Our entire economy is based around specialists providing goods and services that can be purchased by people who do not have the time, ability, or inclination to do so themselves. We are not expected to do things ourselves every time we encounter poor service, and we shouldn't be. That would be inefficient as fuck.
>>736754042But anon... she IS a gamer. >stated in her kickstarter that she needed money for all the games she would be playing for the videos (and if playing them, why not record your own footage?) Two things here: one: She published a breakdown and games & systems made up 5% of her costs. So it's not like she claimed she needed all the money for games, and then ran with it, just taking footage instead.2: Buying games & consoles, is one thing, that you might need to play games for your research, but you might not want to record your own footage for a multitude of reasons. One of them being: Recording your own footage can be difficult. It's easier on PC, sure, but for consoles you need capture devices which can be expensive. And fuck, 10 years ago, even recording your own footage on PC could be annoying. Streaming wasn't quite as big as it is now, tons of shit can go wrong with your own recordings, sound desynchs and whatnot. For a production like this it can be easier to just take fair use lets play footage. Also as I mentioned before: If you talk about killing hookers in GTA, or strippers in Hitman: you have a stronger point if you use organic lets play footage. I mean fuck, imagined Anita recorded herself killing women in games. All you would hear: "Dumb bitch purpusefully goes out killing women, and then blames devs for HER behaviour!". This way she can show how someone just playing for fun interacts with female characters without "larping" for us how a gamer would treat a digitial woman. >Her misrepresentation of games is also a clear sign of dishonesty.Again I ask: What misrepresentation?? Everything she has said about these games was true. Where did she misrepresent that? I'm glad we could at least reach a sort of agreement on "quantity of videos vs overall length of content provided". I personaly prefer it the way it turned out, going more in depth on some things, but I can't rightly fault anyone for wanting a broader range of topics.
>>736753209Pathetic response, desu
>>736751868>>736751971>>736752547>American writers / localizers when faced with a deep emotional moment not buried under 20 layers of ironyIt's like they think EVERYTHING has to be as much of a joke as themselves
>>736751874>I watched the anti-anita videosI want to bring this to everyone's attention. Notice how the retard NEVER ONCE HAS SAID he plays the games and knows what he's talking about. He "watched videos" and is then trying to talk to people that played the games as if they're on equal terms.Just something I've noticed. He needed to watch videos instead of knowing the games being attacked like the back of his hand and knowing how everything the dumb bitch said was wrong.Just a fun little thing to notice.
>>7367547382012 was definitely a year at which recording your own footage moved into mainstream. You might have had a point during the mid 2000s, where the filmed screen was the pinnacle of lets play, but we moved a bit beyond that in the early 2010s. Furthermore, I don’t think the Hitman footage WAS taken from another source. I could be wrong, but I think that footage in particular was bespoke. So why do you think she’d do that, and without drawing a line between other footage and her own?
>>736754129>he said something a silly way he must be redditBrother, I was here when we said "Epic win" without a hint of irony. Don't you fucking talk to me about being a tourist, you god damn election faggot. >>736754394No, the point is that this is a level where you can interact with highly sexualized female bodies. But again: the point was: Anita claimed you get points for killing bitches, the truth is: anita never said that, and in fact said you get lightly penalized. I'm trying to point out how people lie about anita, frequently.>>736754565leave out? Nigga I talk about it extensively usually to the fucking character limit. She made a snide remark. That only a fool, or a dishonest people would claim to be an actual attempt to blackmail a company for a job. If you believe this is a blackmail attempt, I'm sorry about your retardation. Please call your handler to get you off of 4chan. >>736754628Some non-feminist shit CDPR did. who gives a shit?
>>736725847Literal Japanese translation >Thank you. Have a nice day!English localization made by a millennial >Ugh, whatever. Thanks for supporting another corporation, chud. Bye.
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>>736753482>Why would I lie about this shit?Yes, why would someone lie to try and invade a culture they aren't a part of so they could claim to be a native and those with an issue for dogshit, cancer grade "localization" are just tourists from some discord or other site.Nigger, we aren't retarded. You're the same as those speds that spammed that god awful "woke games list" that was so clearly done by them every Anon could tell at a glance it wasn't done by a giga-autist Anon or group of Anons.
>>736755025American localizers thinking having cats are the same as having children is just sad
>>736753482>Why did it have to be a stripclub?>why would criminals use a lucrative business model that's also prime for underground dealings that works great as a cover for keeping illicit dealings underwraps.Gee I don't know, maybe they're allergic tomatoes and couldn't run a restaurant instead, you brain dead cunt.
Anyone telling me something is a good thing actually seems to always be a bad thing actually
>>736755365>AmericanThe problem is millennials. It's always millennials.
>>736754581>If she had acknowledged even once that the background was not her during the runtimeThis is a goal you set anon, that no one else ascribes to. Just because she didn't do what you would have done, doesn't mean you can claim she was dishonestly claiming it to be her playing. I also don't think the rest of your argument follows, because from watching the videos it seems clear to me that she knows what happens in these games and how they work. >>736754854>Okay maybe we can't prove anita is not a gamer, but ANONS NOT A GAMER!!!How about you go fuck yourself you pathethic weasle. I have indeed played these games. The fuck do you think I am? What fucking retard would lurk /v/ and not have played a whole bunch if not all of these games? Go fuck yourself. Attacking my "gamer cred" because you notice that I'm right about the bitch you hate. Why is it so hard to admit: "Huh, yeah, actually she never said all this shit I had people tell me she said". Why is that so fucking impossible to admit?
>>736753482I will believe you are being honest about having been "anti-Anita" once upon a time if you admit you are very much "pro-Anita" now. Your claim seemed to be an attempt to paint yourself as a neutral party, but you are clearly very invested in defending her.>All *I* care about, is letting you know that you've been lied to about her character.I have made my own determination of her character based on the evidence I have seen, and my own experience with her type. I did not get it from anybody else.>Plus: how is it cherry picked?Because she presents short snippets of games taken out of context in order to push a false idea of those games. That is the essence of cherry picking.>If she easily found a lets play where someone is killing hookers, can we call that cherry picked?Yes.>is the opposite of claiming that it is incentivized>>invited>>meant to>>placed in the environment for that purposeI am not scouring the video to see if she literally used the word "incentivized", it is obvious that is what she is saying. >Yes but go deeper. Why did they have to be strippers? Because it's a stripclub. Why did it have to be a stripclub?Because it lends a seediness to the setting, which incidentally is a point she made herself, and is one of the few honest things she said in that video. Taking the position that everything is a deliberate invitation to sexual violence, on the other hand, is dishonest. She doesn't even present it as an interpretation, she presents (again, alongside cherry-picked snippets) as fact, which is profoundly dishonest in itself.>I'm not here to make you care about video game feminism.Good, because you won't. Feminism is a ridiculous ideology that is as wilfully dishonest as Sarkeesian is.
>>736753585>And to that end, it does not matter what the goal of the game isIt does, because the goal of the game is at odds with her claim that sexual violence is encouraged. If she understands the goal, she is a liar.
>>736754904Eh, maybe? I think we might overestimating it a bit because we're nerds. I can see it being intimidating for someone who's maybe not much of a computer person. Or maybe primary a console gamer? >why do you think she’d do that, and without drawing a line between other footage and her own?Honestly? Because it doesn't matter if it's her footage or not. She's not doing a review. She's not going: "Here's what I felt like playing this game". She's doing a broad point about women in video games. Personally I think you can make this point even if you purely watched lets plays and never touched a game yourself. You'd still see how women are presented in video games, right? But it would be unacceptable if you were to make a review of a game from a lets play. But that's not her goal, that's not what she's doing. I guess a kinda fitting analogy would be someone commentating a soccer match. You wouldn't expect him to have recorded the match himself, or that he even has played himself in the match. Sure, having played himself might provide some insight, but one could become a great commentator just from watching. In anitas case I believe that she played these games, (some more than others, she has sad in the past that she's not a fan od CoD and GTA and such), but looked for footage to use as b-roll online, while she made her points. Again: her gamer cred doesn't really "matter" for a talk about how women are represented in games, she doesn't need to be a hardcore gamer for that. She just needs to know how women are portrayed in video games.
>>736723256Eat shit and die faggot. Hope ai replaces you
>>736754991>No, the point is that this is a level where you can interact with highly sexualized female bodies.So they added in mechanics especially for this level then is what you're saying. What mechanics were those?>Don't you fucking talk to me about being a tourist>Nigga tourist>I talk about it extensively usually to the fucking character limitThat wasn't my question, retard-kun. My question which you failed to answer TWICE by the way is WHAT WAS THE CONTROVERSY?What did CDPR do?>Some non-feminist shit CDPR didAnd that was WHAT?>she made a snide remarkWhy? What did they do? What was the controversy?>Who gives a shitThe "controversy" determines intent here. But for SOME REASON you refuse to tell us what this controversy is. Why? You know everything about this dumb, lying cunt but you don't know anything about lead ups to her comments. That comes across as strange for someone claiming to be knowledgeable. A truly knowledgeable person would say "oh the controversy was XYZ" and be done with it. You on the other hand just "know a controversy happened" and she then "said that as a joke."But considering you've been a lying, rat-faced kike this whole time, we can't take a word you say at face value.So, EVIDENCE.Give it or shut up you retarded, cum-guzzling nigger
>>736755361Are you retarded? The "lie" in question here is if I used to be hate anita too, or if always liked her you double nigger. To make my point that people always fucking lie about anita, it makes no fucking difference from your point of view if I say I always knew it was bullshit, or if I say I used to believe it and now I don't. The situation just happens to be that I used to believe the lies. >>736755456Again: this is an argument about if video game feminism matters. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. the point is: people claimed anita said something she never said.
>>736754738>But anon... she IS a gamer.She CLAIMS to be a gamer.>you have a stronger point if you use organic lets play footageIf you are honest about it, yes. Why omit that detail if it strengthens your claim?
>>736752950Kek.You're missing spic flags and lolis, then it's golden.
>>736755661>posts screenshot of games he's played>makes sure to include ratings>rates commie propaganda and gay furry shit highlyYes, I will attack your "gamer cred" you lying oven-dodger. You can't even answer simple questions properly.Please explain what showing me your gay porn collection does for questions relating to HITMAN ABSOLUTION?
>>736755789>have the capability to record>record footage only when you have to play in a manner that no typical player would, otherwise use the footage of others without crediting themNo, I will not accept this as mere coincidence from a well-meaning critic. I don’t believe Anita acts in a manner that warrants benefit of the doubt to this degree.
>>736723256Ultimately the market decided, centuries ago, that localisations are preferable to direct translations, so there's that.You don't have to waste your time arguing with anti-localisation lunatics, they are the minority and will never achieve anything because what they are fighting for is not what the market at large wants.Point and laugh at them and move on, you've already won.
>>736752115>JP: The doll was likely crafted with a kind expression on her face because that's the expression she had around him>EN: He probably diddy ahh FUCKED this doll bruh, like don't even askWhat the fuck man.
>>736756102That's the fucking metacritic rating you fucking retard. Get out of MY hobby you fucking tourist.
>>736752989what was the game
idk I'm learning japanese so I don't have to deal with this
>>736755903>The "lie" in question here is if I used to be hate anita too, or if always liked her you double nigger.Aw, baby finally used the -er to try to fit in. Too late dumbass. And no, the question is "what do you gain from pretending to be one of us?" Invading our site and then pretending you were always here before us so you could claim WE are the invaders and your woke crusaders from a troon subreddit are natives. Why did you show up in a thread NOT about Anita, but in a thread about localization practices? I wonder if it would be easy to work out which side of the localizer debate you sit on? Listen shlomo, no one believes a word you're saying. You've been defending a lying jewess this whole time and we can see through all your gay nigger behavior. You can't out argue us. You aren't from here. You aren't a gamer. You aren't welcome here. Go back to your shithole and stay there.
>>736756304>metacriticAnon... Think VERY CAREFULLY here. You are on /v/. You are in an anti-localization thread. Do you understand why what you just said works against you?I'll even be nice and give you a hint.
>>736755668>If you admit you are very much "pro-Anita" now.I would say I'm neutral to pro-anita? I can see that she has a point in some sections, I think in others she might be reaching a bit, and overall I'm like.. 50/50 on how important video game feminism is. If too many games treat women just purely as sex objects and nothing else, I'd be like: "yeah, that's kinda messed up, actually". but if there's a healthy dose of fine female characters, as well as some that are just "dead or alive beach volleyball" I'm on the: "Eh, seems fine to me" side. As I said before: I don't need anyone to be pro anita. You can disagree with every point she makes. I'm just saying that very likely everything you have heard about her, is likely to be a distorted lie. >Because she presents short snippets of games taken out of contextBut, she is talking about how games let you "play around" with sexualized female bodies, with little to no consequence. For this to be out of context, it would mean that there's actually a context in which that is not what the player can do. That it's actually something else that only looks like that, if taken out of context. This is not the case, is it? No matter how we slice it, devs intentionally created a situation, where you had the option to murderize some hot bikini babes, and that is what anita is talking about in her section of "women as decoration". And no amount of: "okay but it's not the goal of the level" changes that, because she never claimed that to be the goal. >>invited>>meant to>>placed in the environment for that purposeWith these she is saying that the devs put these women here, in bikinis for the pleasure of the male audience. She howerver does not say, as you claim, that the player is incentivized to mess with them. She in fact says that the player has the option to do so, and that there is very little penalty for it.>Because it lends a seediness to the settingWhich could also have been expressed in a thousand different ways.
>>736756360Undead darlings - no cure for love.Made by the "super incredible writers" that fucked up the original Nep translations, ruined Esty Erhard among other repulsive excuses of "localization"
>>736755891>So they added in mechanics especially for this level then is what you're saying. What mechanics were those?No, they added bikini bimbos for this level. Are you dense? What do you think feminism is about?>That wasn't my question, retard-kun. My question which you failed to answer TWICE by the way is WHAT WAS THE CONTROVERSY?I don't fucking care what it was. Some feminism bullshit. >The "controversy" determines intent here.How?
>>736723256You can translate a sentence with broken English into broken English and still have it be readable. It might take a little work, but that's your job. Case in point:>Ya'll can write a sentence all improper while still gettin' ya'll's points 'cross. That there IS yal'll's job. Quit bein' a layabout.
no one cares anymore and ai auto-translate is happening. Malicious localizers can find new jobs to insert their made up fairy tales
>>736756759>What do you think feminism is about?>I don't fucking care what it was. Some feminism bullshit.
>>736756483No anon. Don't fucking weasle yourself out of it. YOU didn't know you could sort steam games by metacritic points, because YOU'RE the fucking gaming tourist faggot, and you thought I MYSELF gave "commie propaganda and gay furry shit" high ratings. Because you're a fucking tourist. Kill yourself. Your attempt to now try and make it seem like I'm an outside because "m.m.m.meta critic!" is laughable. You ate shit and now you're embarassed. Stop fucking posting and lurk moar.
>>736756579so they're the ones who slandered my esty...
>>736756759>NoSo, what's the lying bitch's issue then? You haven't made a good case for her at all. By YOUR OWN statements, the game does NOTHING DIFFERENT from the rest of the game. In other words, the mechanics are exactly the same throughout. So there's no point in highlighting the strip club because anything you can do to the strippers, you can do to the patrons, you can do to the targets, you can do to any NPC you come across in EVERY LEVEL OF THE GAME. If there's no difference then it's not a case of "they wanted to degrade women like she claims" it's simply a case of setting. A stage where criminals operate just like a rich villa or a famous 5 star hotel or a special getaway retreat or a Michelin star restaurant.In other words she's a lying kike bitch, as are you.
>>736756759>I don't fucking care what it wasSo you don't care(aka don't know) but you are 100% sure that the kikess wasn't being a manipulative jew rat and it was just a silly joke because...
>>736756162We never received direct translation. There was never an attempt that competed with these "localizations" and failed.
>>736723256No, it isn't. Not for me, and not in general. Localization is a palatable way of saying "changing/censoring foreign media to fit local culture and morals" and if you think there is any scenario in which that is acceptable then you're simply wrong at best, ignorant/xenophobic at worst, and stupid in either case.
The market is used to bottom of the barrel literal fanfiction tier localization, so they think its the norm.I still don't get why Dragon Quest has that retarded flowery language THOU ART BIGGUS DICKUS and such.
>>736756882>YOU didn't know you could sort steam games by metacritic pointsNo weaseling out at all. Of course I didn't know you could do that because only a retarded cum-guzzling faggot would care about the thoughts and opinions of game journalists.Which is exactly my point. WHAT THREAD ARE YOU IN? You are in a thread where people show animosity towards game journos and localizers(as journoniggers are ardent defenders of those illiterate scum). The your jewish ass comes along and goes "LOOK AT MUH METACRITIC I LUV GAME JOURNO CUM SO TASTY" no shit you're getting called out. Go make another TLOU thread you jew-worshipping faggot.
>>736723256wrong, most of the time it's shit
>>736757421Reminder that the localizers had a meltdown when WayForward had two translations>Literal: More fitting to normal Kunio-kun>Localized: More fitting to RCGLocalizers and journos went apeshit over that saying it endangered them and their "work."Now why would that be the case I wonder?
>>736723568This. I'm tired of dishonest leftists intentionally dodging this.
>>736752378>unironic child molesting redditorGo back.
>>736723256>first two paragraphs are related purely to dubs and the author chooses to ignore people who play with japanese audio and english subs>second example of "it's bye, but rude" is ironically something that could be conveyed by tone alone in a dub but the author now pretends those don't existI know video game jouno writing has never been amazing but it's shocking just how fucking awful it's been allowed to become.
>>736757528What, no that's not true Anon. Didn't you know that 逃げろ actually means stand and fight? Localizers are so good at Japanese and English, that's why they added in terminally online troon child-grooming terminology to Hundred Line.
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>>736743318Gamers are retarded but in this case I think they have a point because localizers can sometimes be pretty overzealous in how they translate. Take the Ace Attorney franchise for example. The name changes make sense since English speakers wouldn't understand jokes like Ryuichi Naruhodo, but why did they have to change the setting to LA? Or change ramen to burgers? Do they think Western players will explode if they even get a hint of a foreign culture?It also bothers me when localizations make changes for the sake of appealing to the new market rather than because the audience wouldn't understand it. My issue isn't because censorship of goon material or whatever, but because I'm a pretentious fag that thinks games are art and I want to see the original creator's vision rather than the localizer's safe version. If the original text or art is offensive I would like the freedom to make my own judgement on it. I don't think other mediums are localized to the same extent as video games.
>>736757663Rude way to respond to a perfectly reasonable post
>>736757775Ok Anon, simple experiment to see if you're a retarded nigger or not.Localize this line as a localizer would.これは猫です。
>>736756560>I would say I'm neutral to pro-anita?See, you sound sincere about that, but I have a bad habit of taking people at face value when I shouldn't. At the very least you're biased in her favor because you lean significantly progressive/leftist. Please don't pretend otherwise. It's something you've made obvious across your posts. Bias is natural, but if I'm to assume honesty on your part, you must not pretend to be an impartial party. You are clearly not.>For this to be out of context, it would mean that there's actually a context in which that is not what the player can do. That it's actually something else that only looks like that, if taken out of context.The important context is that you are not supposed to interfere with civilians at all. She presents the sexual violence not as an out-of-the-way option, but as something the player is led to, invited to, titillated with. This is where the dishonesty lies, and this is why it is bad to show a short clip in a vacuum.>no amount of: "okay but it's not the goal of the level" changes that, because she never claimed that to be the goal.It does. She presents sexual violence as the developer's intent and something the player is helplessly drawn to. Sexual violence is completely superfluous to your mission, provides no reward, and in fact jeopardizes the mission the same way violence against any civilian does.>She in fact says that the player has the option to do so, and that there is very little penalty for it."Players are meant to derive a perverse pleasure from desecrating the bodies of unsuspecting virtual female characters" is not suggestive of an option. It is suggestive of a primary, intended feature. She does not mention how the player must go out of their way and against the objective of the mission to do so, because she wants to paint an image of a scandalous and harmful game that is contributing to the oppression of women.
>>736757174Anon you missed the point. Twice. once: I'm not trying to make anitas point, I'm saying people lie about what anita said. In this case people said the game gives you point for killing random bitches, and if you watch anitas video, she never said that, in fact she chastises the game for only giving you a light punishment for doing it. twice: What the game does different in that level, is populating it with oversexualized women. Anitas video is about women as background decoration. It doesn't matter that what you can do to strippers is no different than what you can do to fully clothed male guards. her argument is not: "the ACTIONS you can do to these women are unique" the argument are: "these women are put here for a specific reason, to pleasure the male player, with their attractive, barely clothed bodies". Yes it is simply a stage, but it didn't have to be a strip club stage. Hell, it could have been a strip club that's currently closed. It could have been a gay strip club. It could have been an illegal casino, it could have been a thousand things. But they chose a setting that allowed them to use sexy women for the players pleasure, and that's what her argument is about. NOW: You are fully within your right to say: "But I don't care about objectified digitial women", and I won't say you're wrong. I'm merely here to point out which argument she is making, and that she never claimed what people claim she claimed.
>>736723256its not good
>>736756759>bimbosHow misogynist of you.It says a lot that you project this onto the game.
>>736757763I think it has been said before: Those changes are likely not the localizers fault, but rather the person who had the publishing rights seeing this as "just some shit for kids" without caring about it, and telling their workers to take out everything japanese. But in the end, like you alluded to: There's a hundred ways to translate something. Some enjoy one way more than others. I also lean towards "as close to original as possible" to the point where I'm fine with having translator nodes that explain shit that wouldn't make sense for us gaijin. But I also understand that if you want to sell this game to 12 year olds or rather their moms to buy it for them, you can't really do that.
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>>736757421Yes we did, the industry started with direct translationsNot our fault you weren't alive in the 1400s
>>736758138You're talking about Ace attorney? These people tried to get an animation changed for their censorship but couldn't because of expenses. They put memes in the translation for no reason. At some point good faith just becomes delusion.
>>736757950>I'm not trying to make anitas pointYou are and then continue to in your defence of your actions>in fact she chastises the game for only giving you a light punishment for doing it>light punishment"Light punishment" makes it sound like it's different from the rest of the game. IT'S THE SAME FUCKING PUNISHMENT IF YOU KILL ANY NON-TARGET YOU BRAINDEAD NIGGER.Use your own damn brain instead of parroting her inane ramblings. She proved she didn't even play the game and knew nothing about it BY YOUR OWN DAMN WORDS. So that other Anon pointing out that her not disclosing she was using B-Roll footage now has MORE GROUND to stand on because the ONLY way the dumb kike would think that's a "light punishment" would be if she never played the game, nor understood the purpose of the game and it's systems and mechanics.In otherwords, YOU JUST PROVED TO US THAT SHE LIED. Whether it was intentional or due to her being a dumb cunt doesn't matter. Her claims were not grounded in fact or reality and she STILL pushed them as correct.>What the game does different in that level, is populating it with oversexualized womenOh no, oh the horror, WOMEN WITH BOOBIES.Nigger, you AND HER can grow the fuck up.>these women are put here for a specific reason, to pleasure the male playerAnd again, you're proving she's a braindead cunt for us all. Ok "totally a gamer not a journo simp" tell us WHAT HAPPENS AT THE START OF A HITMAN LEVEL? There's a *blank*Fill in the blank.You so adamant in defending her that you don't even once think with your own damn brain(if you even have one) to notice that there's more than one way to tell a lie. >Yes it is simply a stage, but it didn't have to be a strip club stageWhy? Why shouldn't it be a strip club? Are you going to tell me it should've instead taken place at le heckin pupperino shelter instead?Retard-kun, for this next step USE YOUR OWN BRAIN NOT THE LYING CUNT'S>Who do you kill in Hitman games
>>736757950>the argument are: "these women are put here for a specific reason, to pleasure the male player, with their attractive, barely clothed bodiesAnd she does not substantiate this in any way.> it could have been a strip club that's currently closed. It could have been a gay strip clubIf they wanted people to laugh at how lame and politically correct their setting is, kekThis sort of conspicuous holding-back is the opposite of the vibe they wanted. It's noticeable. It's juvenile. It's hard to take seriously. It makes you realize the dark and seedy game about the assassin is afraid to have bite to it, lest it offend somebody looking for reasons to BE offended.The strip club cannot simply be replaced with a watered-down substitute as you suggest. Not if they want to maintain their integrity.Hence, the grifter's argument is stupid.
>>736757950>Hell, it could have been a strip club that's currently closed.Anon, remind us all again of the name of this game? Please. I think I forgot.>It could have been an illegal casinoSo... who wants to tell him?
>>736757734>the Japanese understand and respect the truth nukeit's like poetry
>>736758138Maybe it's some executive's fault but that doesn't really matter to me, I just want whoever is responsible to understand that it sucks. I also think kids are smarter than these companies assume. I was watching anime fansubs when I was 12 and understood everything fine. I appreciated the translator notes because I like learning about other cultures, even if it was stupid/unnecessary shit like "keikaku means plan".
>>736758551You forgot one other point. This isn't a silent Assassin game where you sneak passed armed security. These people operate in broad daylight, you have innocent civilians roaming around engaging in whatever the location offers. A closed strip club would be a fucking tutorial level. Not mid-game. What kind of retard would make a mid-game stage easy mode?
>>736754765>desuMy god, actually kill yourself, you weeaboo wanker. YWNBJ, you filthy gaijin.
>>736723596You are either a dishonest grifter or a politically brainrotted useful idiot who fell for their lies.
>>736723256If I play a game from another country I want to be immersed in that culture, I want to be confused by expressions, not get the jokes and experience some culture shock. Thats part of the fun
>>736758834Newfag retard learn what word filters are
>>736757734>>736758793本当ニュク
>>736744892>fanfiction.Shut the fuck up. Actually shut the fuck up. You know diddly squat about what localisation as a process incorporates, bucko. You seriously think official localisations that involve communication with the developers is fan fiction? Retard doesn't begin to describe you.
>>736758834I think if you ported that sentence into japanese, there could be a desu. Because "response" would be a noun. Don't get the comma though.
>>736758834Pathetic response, desu
>>736752378>I also find it unfortunate because these faggots make it so difficult to have genuine discussions about the subject of localisationThis is LITERALLY the exact playbook of the localizers and their dickriders. You faggots have NEVER once given good faith arguments, it's always just intentionally missing the point so that you can dodge answering it or making up strawman arguments like claiming that people want to machine translate each word individually which results in unnatural word salad. You're so fucking dishonest.
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>>736758830I mean I could see it technically working if it was "closed" for some shady criminal shit and security was still high, but that's giving it consideration it doesn't really deserve, because it's stupid
>>736759083You really have got this shit twisted, haven't you? I've recently gone in a back and forth with your gaijin brethren about localizers he does the exact shit you claim your opposition does. Sure, some retarded pro-loc fags defend everything for whatever reason, but they're nowhere near as loud/prevalent as the anti-loc spastics that scream at every little change that they don't understand, refusing to hear any explanation aside from "muh fan fic" or whatever retarded way to call it bad they can conjure up. Then they say "cope, cope!!!" when an explanation saying why it is a good localization appears. We here at /v/ have anti-localizer fatigue. So do us all a favour and kindly get off 4chan, get a life and never set your grimy-ass IP address on the Internet after this message goes through.
>>736757925I do lean left. Honestly, the anita shit is what got me out of my right wing beliefs. Once I realized that a lot of shit that I heard about anita that I just assumed to be true, because, well, EVERYONE was saying it, I looked into some of the other things I believed to be true, and found inconsistencies there, too. But again I am also truthful when I say I don't want or need anyone to subscribe to anitas brand of vidya feminism, or actually become a lefty. It's 4chan. I'm not delusional. All I'm doing is showing that a lot of shit said about her, turns out to be not true. >you are not supposed to interfere with civilians at allNot true at all anon! You are still operating on a "if you want the best score" assumption here. However: wanting the best score is not a given. As an example: Arguably the best kills in hitman games are environmental kills, which frequently don't involve your gun at all. Poisoning a drink, removing a wet floor sign, putting a real bullet in a stage pistol, etc. Would you therefore say: "Hitman is not a game where you shoot people! Why are you saying you shoot people in hitman???" No, because shooting is still very much an option. It's a part of the gameplay loop. Even if it's neither the coolest, nor the highest scoring way to get the job done. This is about what you can do in the game, even the things that are ill advised, not about what is the best way to play. Take GTA for example. Killing random civlians will give you stars. Stars are a way of discouraging you from killing random civlians. Yet most players playing GTA have gone on absolute killing sprees when bored. Because it's something the game allows for, with only a minor penalty. (stars are easy to lose). (1/3)
>>736759461>>736757925(2/3)That is what she is talking about in Hitman here. It is an option the game gives you, that has to do with barely clothed women. How games treat barely clothed women is relevant to feminism, hence she is talking about it. How much this action will make you "win the game" or not, doesn't really matter. >She presents the sexual violence not as an out-of-the-way option, but as something the player is led to, invited to, titillated with.But that is not dishonest. by giving players the option to do this, the game is inviting players to do so. It is not /incentivizing/ players to do so, but players very much are invited to murders these characters and fool around. In fact: almost every hitman player I know has at some point let of some steam after difficult missions by going on a murder rampage. Something the game penalizes, but still allows for. >She presents sexual violence as the developer's intent and something the player is helplessly drawn to.Well, it is hard to argue that it was not the developers intend, considering they, you know, put them there. If it was not, they could have just not put them there. Made them not attackable, hell, they could have set the level before their shift starts when they are still in street clothing. They could have done a million different things. You can't have someone make a strip club level full of killable strippers and go: "Well the devs never intended for players to kill the strippers" they did. As they did with everyone else in Hitman. I also do not think she implies that the player is helplessly drawn to it. She merely says it is possible with very little punishment. >superfluous to your mission, provides no reward, and in fact jeopardizes the mission the same way violence against any civilian does.Yes, again, she never said it is something a player must do, or should do. Just that a player can do, with very little punishment.
>>736758815I agree with you wholeheartedly. Both that it sucks, and that kids are smarter. There's some things that kids probably wouldn't get, like aspects of shinto religion, but brock eating a rice ball? Fucking "rice-ball" is self explenatory, even if you never had that. A kid will understand. >"keikaku means plan".Kek. Yeah I remember my fansub time, too. Sometimes they give notes for absolutely needed stuff, sometimes they just go: "Mizu means water, we've chosen to not translate it to keep the deep meaning of his order in tact" bitch, he ordered water.
>>736727508it started out as a way to sell foreign cartoons to retarded hicks who hate foreign stuff, and ended as just plain old cultural imperialism trying to force american values over every other culture in the world.
>>736759461>I do lean leftAn anon leaning left? From someone with an iota of sanity, I strongly recommend you take this advice into account: leave /v/. I mean this wholeheartedly: this site, or at least this board, is not the place for someone with some sanity left. I'm losing my sanity as I type this as I go down, deeper and deeper into the black hole of /v/tardedness. I don't care if you watch HasanAbi or if you just hate Asmon, but I do care about a human being who has the potential to escape a site of retarded takes and a bunch of faggots who know nothing about nothing. This might sound like a shitpost, but I mean it when I say that you should seriously save yourself, friend. Signed, an anon who hates calling himself that and knows there's no going back to relative sanity by being on r/truegaming. Have a good day and stay safe, friend.
>>736759568>>736757925>is not suggestive of an option.I mean the implication here being "if they chose to do this". This comes from the start of the section where she says: "we're invited to test what we can do and can't do. We're encouraged to experiment with how the system will respond and react to our inputs" "[...]The game makers have set up a series of possible scenarios involving vulnerable, eroticized female characters" Which is exactly what you can do in the strip-club level. The suggestion of an option comes from the earlier part where she is talking about the nature of the game letting us explore all what is possible within the game (going murder hobo, going suit only etc are other options worth naming). That is the larger context. So, you see, she is not saying "players in hitman are meant to murder women for pleasure", she is saying: "the game game gives you these options, and in this level, one of the options is to murder strippers. Strippers the devs put there, to derive pleasure from murdering unsupecting barely clothed women, if he so chooses". She is aware that it is NOT a primary feature, but a secondary feature, however: still an intended one. Remember: not optimal, doesn't mean "not intended". "kill everyone in the entire map" has always been an intended way to play hitman. Just not the best way. fuck me, accidentally posted the second bit twice.
>>736730252>It's probably the one area where I will shed no tears if every English localizer is replaced by AI, because they've been doing a shitty job for...basically forever.kind of reminds me of cab drivers getting replaced by uber and how little sympathy people have for them. like yeah Uber is cancer, but fuck Cab drivers for being 10x worse for 100 years straight.
>>736759781>>736759461>>736759502These belong together. >>736757925Sorry for making it a long ass 3 post answer, but I'm not smart enough to put so much info in a shorter package. You seem like a good and honest anon, and I figured you'd deserve it answered to the best of my ability.
>>736753412It's like trying to persuade a Jew to lend to charity. I would say 8-4 localizations, Xenoblade games, Pokemon, GBA FF1-6/pixel remasters, Zelda etc, but you'd shoot them down and say "baah, they woke localizer fan fic!"
>>736754097L take. It's way easier to call a good translation/localisation bad on the basis that it changes something with the intent to adapt it so it's still understood, not foreign. The anti-loc cunts go and say that this removes "muh authorial intent" and overlook that literal translations would lose this even more with the bare bones of what used to be there, with all personality sucked out.
>>736759957Post a fucking example then you fucking cunt, holy shit.How hard is that?My god, you fucking retards always whine about this shit but you're clearly not actually as invested as the anti-localization guys, since they at least post examples of shit they think is bad instead of constantly bitching out.
>>736759461>I do lean left>lean>Arguably the best kills in hitman games are environmental kills, which frequently don't involve your gun at all. Poisoning a drink, removing a wet floor sign, putting a real bullet in a stage pistol, etc. Would you therefore say: "Hitman is not a game where you shoot people! Why are you saying you shoot people in hitman???"Leftists pretend not to understand a concept so that it's impossible to discuss anything.But since you want to talk mechanics. Sure, let's talk mechanics.>CiviliansCivilians are an interruption mechanic that gets in the way of your goal and stops you from progressing to the next stage.Not even a score factor but a progress factor.Killing civilians not only decreases your score but are an extra obstacle as you now have a dead/unconscious body that can be discovered. Should that body be discovered armed guards will start hunting for you, more aggressively if a civilian is dead. They aren't just a score barrier but then again you'd know that if you weren't too busy swallowing every lie that kike told.And then there's the "sexual violence" which isn't sexual in the slightest as it's simply the EXACT SAME MECHANICS you have for ALL NPCS IN THE GAME. They are the base level interactions.
>>736759461>I do lean left. Honestly, the anita shit is what got me out of my right wing beliefs. Once I realized that a lot of shit that I heard about anita that I just assumed to be true, because, well, EVERYONE was saying it, I looked into some of the other things I believed to be true, and found inconsistencies there, too.Okay, slightly against my better judgement, I believe you.>All I'm doing is showing that a lot of shit said about her, turns out to be not true.You haven't really shown that. I'm sure some things were misattributed to her because that always happens with public figures, but most of what you've posted is just a different interpretation of her words and actions.>Not true at all anon! You are still operating on a "if you want the best score" assumption here. Even if you aren't going for the Silent Assassin ranking, you still are discouraged from messing with people who aren't important to your progress. You can do it to to mess around if you want, but:>Take GTA for example. Killing random civlians will give you stars. Stars are a way of discouraging you from killing random civlians. Yet most players playing GTA have gone on absolute killing sprees when bored. Any given GTA is an open world game that is a lot of fun to cause chaos and mayhem in,and slaps you on the wrist when the mayhem catches up to you. Chaos and mayhem is part of the flow. It has Kill Frenzies.In Hitman, if you fuck up, you lose progress. You aren't encouraged to pick a direction and fuck around and get into cop chases and wrecks and steal a helicopter. You get killed very quickly and even if you don't your progress is heavily hindered, and there's not a lot to do anyway. What Hitman encourages is exploration, finding all the little touches, the different approaches to your mission. You can kill civilians to let off steam, but it's not very interesting. So yeah, you're not supposed to interfere with them.
>>736760086>intent to adapt it so it's still understood, not foreignWish. People will agree that the translation is wrong and then either go it doesn't matter, or it's fine because they "like it". Meanwhile fuckers will claim a game, any game has a super accurate translation. People say this about Awakening. People say this about Smash Ultimate. Sometimes they just say fuck it, and claim the japanese is actually the translation. And do they have to substantiate that? Never.
>>736759781>This comes from the start of the section where she says: "we're invited to test what we can do and can't do. We're encouraged to experiment with how the system will respond and react to our inputs"Yeah... It's called a TUTORIAL LEVEL. Now pop quiz. What does the tutorial level of Hitman Absolution NOT have? It's a very easy to answer question that fucking it up means every single one of your claims is bullshit because you can't answer a simple question correctly.
>>736759957>I would say 8-4 localizations>goodAnon, don't fucking lie. We all saw Gunvolt's original "localization" Hell GV2's is still abysmal.
>>736760372what do you mean bro, 8-4 is great, look at this absolutely necessary change, could you imagine how much worse FE Awakening would be if they'd left the japanese version's degeneracy in?
>>736760157Okay? the argument was that Anita lied about being rewarded for killing women. My point is she never said this. Civilians being an interruption mechanic changes that.. how?>EXACT SAME MECHANICS you have for ALL NPCS IN THE GAME. They are the base level interactions.Oh okay. This being base game level mechanics, makes bikini clad strippers not sexualized women... how again? Are you intentionally missing the point anon?
>>736725615>the only true form of translation is raw MTL outputI love this cope from autists who have nutted to MTL eroges/VNs. They nutted to it, so they have to defend their low standards or feel attacked that others call it slop.
>>736760248>You haven't really shown that.I mean I said it 20 times now: the claim was that she said you get rewarded for killing women. I linked the video, she never ever claims that. Someone said she blackmailed a company to hire her. I showed the tweet, it was a snide public remark AFTER a minor controversy. Very clearly not a strongarming "you better hire me, or you can say bye bye to your company". which would have been a private email or a meeting, not a fucking "yikes, I'm available for consultation if you want to avoid making such mistakes" tweet. But hey, you could post another bad thing you heard about anita, and I see if I know if it's a lie or not. There's a bunch. >you still are discouraged from messing with people Yes, as she mentions in the video by saying "barely penalized". Like I said: the point is that they chose to give players the option to do this, if they want to. And they did. like, if I said "being send to jail is part of monopoly" you wouldn't say: "No it isn't. you're meant to avoid jail! (if you're a pro monopoly player please ignore the fact that near the end of the game jail is good because it saves you from paying rent). Just because jail is a "penalty" and "you're not meant to be there" doesn't mean that it isn't part of the game, put there by the developer of the game, with the intend that players will go there. Similarly Killing strippers in absolution is not a goal the dev set for the game, but it is something the dev intended players to do, even if it's not the best way to play the game. And that is what anita is talking about. >In Hitman, if you fuck up, you lose progress.In prior GTA games if you die or get arrested, you lose progress. In the form of losing all your weapons and a miniscule amount of cash. Doesn't mean that murder rampaging isn't something the player isn't intended to do at some point. Same in hitman. Penalty? Sure. Intended? Sure. You are still thinking in terms of: "What's the best way to play".
>>736760248>>736760958In essence: you are still thinking in terms of "optimal play" forget that. Anita isn't talking about "optimal play". She isn't saying "this is the best / only way to play". She is talking about things games let you do, if you so choose. Games that are intended to be done, outside of merely finishing the level the best way. Like I said: All of us have at some point finished a hitman absolution level by killing everyone on the map. This is the worst way to finish a level. it is also an "intended" way. Just not the best way.
>>736760469>the argument was that Anita lied about being rewarded for killing women.Lying directly, no, lying by omission however, yes she absolutely lied. And you as a fake gamer, didn't notice that since you, like her(also a fake gamer) only focussed on SCORE. You, like her NEVER ONCE focused on clearing it. The civilians being interruption mechanics changes her claim quite drastically as now she IS lying directly.As you so kindly pointed out earlier>in fact she chastises the game for only giving you a light punishment for doing itWhich would absolutely be correct if we were talking about score alone. UNFORTUNATELY, civilians are a mechanic, an obstacle that gets in your way AND IF YOU ATTACK THEM, LET ALONE KILL THEM THE GAME GETS SIGNIFICANTLY HARDER as every enemy will now be on the look out for a killer.Punishments include>your current disguise is now compromised and must be replaced>enemies will shoot first instead of approaching you. As they use un-silenced weapons EVERY ENEMY WILL KNOW WHERE YOU ARE IN A FIRE FIGHT >more enemies will be aware there's something up and will be suspicious of you even after they give up trying to directly hunt for youOh look at that, a punishment for killing civilians(which the strippers fall under) that's odd. I can't remember the kike mentioning those points? Almost like she never played the game.
>>736758953>本当AIsisters, not like this!
>>736760282Anon, are you so eager to want to keep thinking of anita as a dishonest liar, that you are willing to claim, that the Hitman games, despite famously being sandboxy "Kill the targets and whoever else you want, however you want" games, only ever expect a player to kill civilians as a test in the tutorial, and never again after that? That the developers never had for players in mind, to just say "fuck it" grab one of the many weapons and just start blasting? That that's not something people do in Hitman games, or that developers have not intended for you to solve Hitman levels outside of suit only silent assassin? Think about what you're posting. Of course they have. That's the core of hitman games. That's what makes them so great. That there's such a wide range of approaches. That you can snipe a target from across the map, that you can poison a drink, lay a trap, use an explosive, fibre wire, or just murder everyone and everything in sight. That's Hitman. That's part of the game. Are you really gonna claim that it is not that, just so anita can be wrong when she says "they put bikini bitches in Absolution for the players pleasure"?
>>736761027>you are still thinking in terms of "optimal play" forget thatNo, that's the thing, you and the dumb broad don't understand. We're not talking optimal. We're talking CLEARING the stage. Additionally, as she knows nothing about the game she lies(through omission) that the punishment for doing so is light. So since you want to play "technicalities" so badly. She lied through her jewish teeth.There are punishments for killing civilians. Punishments that affect your ability to clear the stage. To be clear, since your a jewish rat yourself, CLEAR. NOT clear with the best score possible. CLEAR PERIOD.
>>736761042Ah damn! I forgot she claimed there's no punishment!aah, wait. As I said 27 times, she did say there's punishment... huh.
>>736760134Pokemon: JP: この おれもニンジャ キョウの もんかせい! ニンジャは むかし からよく どうぶつを つかった という ENG: I also study the way of the ninja with master KOGA! Ninja have a long history of using animals! JP: なみまに ぷかぷか うかぶ…… あたしは おさかな ENG: I love floating with the fishes! Xenoblade: JP: よしんば敵陣中で撃破されたとしても\n敵もろとも殲滅できる ENG: As long as we got the weapon inside enemy lines, destroying the weapon would destroy them too JP: 腕っ節のこと言うとるんとちゃうで? ENG: And I don't mean physically, yeah? JP: それ以上に素敵なことも沢山あるからね ENG: But then, there's also plenty of stuff that's awesome. JP: 俺は ここに留まるお前は 目的を果たせ Eng: I'll stay here.You go fulfill our goal JP: 妙なことを言う一緒に行くって約束したろ? ENG: "What're you saying? We promised we'd go together, didn't we? From Zelda: JP: さあ、アンタの友達は みんな 助けたわ 私たちのできることは ココまでよ ENG: Well, we've helped all of you. That's all we can do. JP:わ・た・し・た・ち・を・よ・ん・で だって ENG: "Call us." That's what they're saying. JP:そのむかし 四界の神である 巨人の顔を かたどった面を 祭りで かぶったことから ときのカーニバルでは おのおの手作りの 「お面」を 持ちよる習慣に なっているENG: For ages, people have worn masks resembling the giants who are the gods of the four worlds. Now, it has become a custom for each person to bring a handmade mask to the Carnival of Time. JP: 邪悪な力を 前にした彼らは なすすべもなく ただ祈るばかり ENG: Faced by an onslaught of evil, the people could do nothing but appeal to the gods.
>>7367614542/2They're just a select number of examples of dialogue that is localized to sound natural while getting the meaning of the original across perfectly fine to the reasonable consumer. This does not mean they are free of fault or that bad localization does not exist. But these are just a few examples of good localization.
>>736760464Murica moment. It was uncensored in the EU version. And for the record, that was likely done for age rating purposes, instructed by ESRB. It's a thing
>>736761276>Kill the targets and whoever else you want>whoever else you want>only ever expect a player to kill civilians as a test in the tutorial>see you get punished severely for it>don't do it again as you CLEAR the game>That's the core of hitman games>That you can snipe a target from across the map, that you can poison a drink, lay a trap, use an explosive, fibre wire, or just murder everyone and everything in sightNever played the game award because you still didn't get it and fucked up in your own defence.In that last quote please type out the 6th word. Now think VERY CAREFULLY about what word you DIDN'T use.
>>736761316It doesn't change your ability to clear. Specially in a contained room, you can kill as you want. But as a tourist I wouldn't expect you to know. You're fucking pathethic. You hang on so dearly to the Idea that Anita is lying, and you have to twist the game to shit, to make it true, rather than just going: "huh, yeah I guess they lied to me". Even if you get caught murdering it doesn't affect your ability to clear the level. It just gets harder. Which is a minor punishment. But hey, maybe anita is just so much better at games than you, that what seems like a major punishment to you, is merely a minor one for her. I can see it, since you clearly have cognitive issues. But hey since you've started angrily yelling at the jews like the very rational man you are, I'll leave you to your little fantasy world, where you can keep hating a woman that correctly looked at a video game and said: "hu, you sure can look kill a bunch of bikini babes in this level". THAT LYING JEW BITCH REEEEE!!!! I'M RATIONAL!! I'M SO FUCKING RATIONAL!!!Lmao. Kill yourself.
>>736761454See? Was that so fucking hard?No idea why it took you so long to actually post some examples, maybe if you did this shit more instead of just bitching when people shit on bad localizations people would be more willing to side with you instead of just assuming you're a braindead cunt who's just defending his friends.
>>736761356>she did say there's punishmentYeah you did, you even clarified it>in fact she chastises the game for only giving you a light punishment for doing itThe lie isn't that there is NO punishment. The lie is the punishment is LIGHT and has NO REAL IMPACT ON THE GAME.You and her have been focusing solely on score, on "suit only silent assassin" when the reality is that the punishment for killing civilians is actually pretty damn heavy. Now, why did you and that lying kike say it was a LIGHT punishment?
>>736761634You clearly never played any hitman game. I'm done with you.
>>736761696Love you too.
>>736759867>it is hard to argue that it was not the developers intend, considering they, you know, put them there.Being able to hurt characters that happen to dressed that way doesn't mean that sexual violence was intended. Maybe if you couldn't equally commit violence against every other NPC, but you can. The violence is not intended to be sexual or gendered in nature. The sexiness is incidental. To say otherwise is, I think, heavy projection.>I also do not think she implies that the player is helplessly drawn to it. She merely says it is possible with very little punishment.>"The player cannot help but treat these female bodies as things to be acted upon, because they were designed, constructed, and placed in the environment for that singular purpose. Players are meant to derive a perverse pleasure from desecrating the bodies of unsuspecting virtual female characters.">she never said it is something a player must do, or should do. Just that a player can do>"Often it is player-directed. But it is always implicitly encouraged."Again, in the case of Hitman, the dishonest part is that she leaves out the broader context that this behavior is specifically working against the flow of the game. She has gone out of her way to present ONLY this portion of the game and to paint the violence as something heavily encouraged. >"we're invited to test... how the system will respond and react to our inputs"This is a flimsy justification, because it only goes so far. Players do not rigorously test all options. I don't beat up strippers in my stealth games and I doubt most players "derived a perverse pleasure from descrating their bodies".If nothing else, she started with a flawed conclusion and worked backwards to justify it. Obnoxious on its own. Dishonest in the broader context of this particular chick.>You seem like a good and honest anonThanks. It was nice to have a civil discussion. But this has to be it for me. We're just talking in fucking circles now, man.
How much japanese do you have to know to be at a level where you can bypass localizers?
>>736761769Because it is a light punishment. I'm sorry you're bad at the game. But a slight increase in difficulty is not a "harsh punishment". It's not a "game over". you can keep going, you can keep playing. Plus you are actually wrong about it being a harsh punishment, because you can absolutely fucking 100% kill a bunch of strippers on a happy little murder spree, without being detected, without the bodies being detected, and without the game increasing in difficulty. The reason I mention the score, and rating is because ANY ACTUAL HITMAN PLAYER KNOWS that the SCORE is the ONLY GURANTEED consequence for killing random civilians. But you wouldn't know that, because you're a retard tourist, who'd rather be wrong about vidya than admit that someone he politically disagrees with, is not a lying monster.
>>736761847Well beyond usng anime subs and saying you know Japanese. Or at the very least well beyond >>736752950
>>736761684>Even if you get caught murdering it doesn't affect your ability to clear the level. It just gets harder.NTA, but you're directly contradicting yourself immediately, and also confirming that she did in fact bullshit.
>>736761684>It doesn't change your ability to clear>Even if you get caught murdering it doesn't affect your ability to clear the level. >It just gets harder.>doesn't change>something clearly changesEnglish isn't your forte is it, retard-kun?>maybe anita is just so much better at games than you, that what seems like a major punishment to you, is merely a minor one for herAnd now you can't even keep your own statements straight>Using lets play footage for b-roll is pretty normalSo did she play the games or not? You're so desperate for an own you can't even keep your arguments straight. If she played the game and it was her own gameplay then why did she leave out key information that proves her wrong that IF SHE PLAYED THE GAME TO GET TO THAT POINT she would know.>hu, you sure can look kill a bunch of bikini babes in this levelAnd the creme de la creme, your ESL finally reveals itself in your impotent rage at being called out. Go back to gcj, shitskin.
>>736759769It's always weird to see somebody who sounds otherwise rational, but completely missed how batshit insane leftism has gotten over the last decade. Like, on every level.I mean I'm gradually becoming disillusioned with the right too but the left? Complete psychos.The best that can be said is that "leaning" implies the psychopathy has not fully taken hold.
>>736761771>couldn't type out the 6th word in his last quoteThe word was TARGET. You can't poison any random civilian's drink. Only select points allow you to and even then they only affect key people not the average random passer by. You'd know that if you played the game of course.
>>736761598no way is that an ESRB change. the game is rated T, the same as fates which has a full cutscene ogling Camilla's panties and tits that is way more extreme than the tharja image.
I never understood her end goal. If she wanted to make games more suited for women, then she should have used that money to start her own studio or something. instead she was trying to dictate what games men are supposed to make or play. And make money of her crusade I guess. One of the OG grifters.
>>736762275Remember when she was trying to get "funding" for her bullshit, remember how long it took and how many "promises" she broke. Even leftist fags at the escapist back then smelled something was wrong with her
>>736761276If her entire argument is"This is misogynistic because you can kill any NPC in the game, and some of them are sexy women" it's a very stupid argumentMaybe she's just incredibly fucking dumb, I don't know
>>736761930>gets called out>immediately starts trying to go "UH YOU BAD AT GAME" when we SHOULD BE talking objectively about game mechanicsSo, why are you bringing your personal anecdotes in when I was under the belief we were talking about the game's mechanics which are an OBJECTIVE TRUTH.>B-but it can be avoidedThat's not the point, the point is that killing civilians has distinct, clear punishments mechanically. You are now desperately trying to claim those don't exist and pretending to be a "pro-hitman player" after you've been constantly called out for being a lying faggot since the entire argument was on MECHANICS. Not your subjective thoughts on the game.But let's try this one more timeMECHANICALLY SPEAKING, is there a heavy punishment for killing civilians?
>I fucking HATE translators but I will never never never never never never never never never learn japanese the thread
>>736762372yes. you think you're making a point but you aren't. Hating bad translation is very natural and "just learn japanese" is telling someone to accept bad translation as inevitable rather than let them criticize it. it's fundamentally a defense of bad translation.
>>736762095>The best that can be said is that "leaning" implies the psychopathy has not fully taken holdBut the funny part is that, that itself was a lie as he quickly showed he had that exact same psychopathy as he lied pretending not to understand what Anons were talking about(and has done so since he reared his ugly head in the thread).In fact, it's highly likely he same-fagged the response to seem like he wasn't alone.
>>736761832>Maybe if you couldn't equally commit violence against every other NPC, but you can.No, you got this backwards. It is sexualized, because the characters are sexualized. By making the level a stripclub, and putting barely clothed strippers in it, they have created this possibility. It has nothing to do with the fact that being able to kill these women is an unique feature. it is their choice to have strippers in the first place. Again: this is also not saying that this is a special kind of violence you can do. The segment is as "women as background decoration". By making it a stripclub, and putting these in bikinis, they have uniquely made these women into decoration. Something Absolution is no stranger to, as the game also featured BDSM latex sex-nuns assassins. What makes it sexual is the developers choice to include NPCs like that, not the players ability to hurt these NPCs uniquely. right? Like, do you watch Red Letter Media? Then you know how a lot of 80s movies used rape, to show some T&A. Now within the movie the rape was cleary depicted as a bad act, by bad men. But the creators of the movie still put it in there at least in part, to have an excuse to show some tits. Same in hitman: yes the Strippers fulfill every normal NPC role you talk about, But in this level they also exist, at least in part, for this sexualized male pleasure. >She has gone out of her way to present ONLY this portion of the game and to paint the violence as something heavily encouraged.I don't think she does. Like I said, she mentions before that these are options the players can explore. To see "what the game lets you get away with". It is never even implied that this is the primary way to play. From the start she makes clear that this is something the game "lets" you do, not something the game "makes" you do. >This is a flimsy justificationHeavily disagree. Testing what you can do in a game, is in essence the core of every video game.
>>736762528>>736761832>Players do not rigorously test all options. I don't beat up strippers in my stealth games and I doubt most players "derived a perverse pleasure from descrating their bodies".Most hitman players try going murder hobo at some time. Either for fun, or because a mission went tits up and now everyone is shooting at you. She also never claimed that this is something a majority of players do (the perversion part). Merely that it is an option that the developers gave. And again: looking at the BDSM nuns, I think it is quite hard to argue that the main thought behind including the strippers was not: "Fuck yeah, our players will love that, buncha hot babes! Cool!" >But this has to be it for me.ah, Well, have a nice day anon. It was nice talking to you. Better than the other anon yelling "SHE'S A JEEEEEEWWWWW!" at least. Lmao.
>>736760958In GTA you don't fuck around when you're on a missionYou fuck around when you're not doing a missionIn Hitman you're always doing a missionNo open world fuck around sections
>>736762462There's a difference between appeal to triviality and saying that something is not a big deal when it is being treated as such. Saying "it's not a big deal" does not automatically mean "stop discussing it". It usually means "stop exaggerating its significance". And telling someone to "just learn Japanese" is often used when the opposition does not want anything apart from a translation that is as seemingly literal as possible. You're misinterpreting the meanings of these counter points just to make yourself feel better.
>>736762372>just let the pozcalizers keep poisoning translations, they totally don't force devs to change the game at the sourcesee >>736747519 for a prominent example of a game censored at the sourceps: kill yourself kike apologist
>>736762528>Same in hitman: yes the Strippers fulfill every normal NPC role you talk about, But in this level they also exist, at least in part, for this sexualized male pleasure. you don't know that. The games also have nearly naked dudes, you know? Jacuzzis, sauna's, bathtubs etc.. That's a baseless presumption of you that putting naked women or strippers in the game is for sexual reasons.Presumably because you need something to get outraged about, ironically enough.
>>736762560And now the coward runs away unable to prove his argument since he's a simp for some old hag.
>>736762706saying that something that is a big deal isn't a big deal is basically the definition of appeal to triviality (y-you see goy, it insignificant, stop caring you anti-semite!)
>>736723256WRITING. LIKE. THIS. DOESN'T. MAKE. YOUR. POINT. ANY. LESS. RETARDED.
>>736743318>Some video games still treat women very much as objects & rewardsSome Japanese women enjoy BL games filled with extreme gore, torture, and violent sexual scenes where male characters are brutalized and covered in blood, and that's perfectly fine. No one storms in demanding that these games be labeled "misandrist," "toxic," or "problematic." No activists write angry articles claiming they normalize violence against men.Why? Because most reasonable people understand that not every piece of fiction needs to pander to everyone. Different audiences have different tastes, and that's normal.She is retarded and should be made fun of for having a retarded opinion.
>>736762706>It usually means "stop exaggerating its significance">localizers don't know Japanese>it's not a big deal>the line in question was N5 tier that any retard learning Japanese wouldn't fuck up
>>736762952>No activists write angry articles claiming they normalize violence against men.>Why?Because your time is up, virgin incels. Now it's time for women to rule the world. Yaaaaaas kween slay
>>736762032How did I contradict myself? You can still clear. The majority of hitman games allow you to complete them with everyone on the map alerted and gunning for your ass. It does not change at all your ability to finish the level.
>>736762056OH, you're both retarded. let me help you ESL-kuns. So: "your ability to finish the level doesn't change" means: you can still finish the level. What you're looking for is: "getting caught doesn't make it more difficult to finish the level". And again: a slight increase in difficulty, is not a severe punishment. It is in fact: more fun gameplay. If you enjoy murder sprees, you could actively argue that it is a form of reward, but lets not get into that. A game over is a severe punishment. A loss of a lot of progress is a severe punishment. The inability to finish is a severe punishment. Having guards come after you, having a score penalty is a light punishment. Plus again: If you murder the strippers these "punishments" besides the score are not even a given. >So did she play the games or not?I'm so sick of you not speaking English anon. Please go to school.Sound it out retard, come on, sound it out: you can both play a video game AND take footage from a lets play. That is not a contradiction, dumbass. I have played Ocarina of Time, HUNDREDS of times. But guess what? If I wante to show you the scene where koume and Kotake yell: "MY ANUS MY ANUS" guess what? I would look it up online, and show you that, instead of playing all the way to spirit temple and recording it myself. Does that mean I therefore have never player OoT? Like fuck. THINK for a second. "Anita uses lets play footage""therfore anita has never played the game"Where's the logical connection? You are drawing a conclusion here that you have no evidence for. You're thinking:"if you never played a game, who wants to show footage from it, needs to use someone elses footage to show it". therefore: "since anita uses someone elses footage she has never played the game". But that doesn't follow logically, does it?
>>736763062Of course increasing difficulty affects the ability to finish the level.
>>736762706>when the opposition does not want anything apart from a translation that is as seemingly literal as possible>You're misinterpreting the meanings of these counter points just to make yourself feel better.you're either ridiculously disingenuous to put these two sentences right next to each other, or incredibly lacking in self awareness.
>>736763062>You can still clearBut you didn't say that originally. You said there was no punishment. As well as in your defense of Anita that the only punishment was score related. A punishment doesn't have to be an instant game over. The difficulty going up is a punishment.
>>736763046I just find funny the extreme hypocrisy in how they treat mainstream games as the entire medium, while there are countless games specifically pandering to them with the most wish-fulfillment female fantasy you can imagine that would make you look like an incel subhuman if the genders were reversed.
>>736762926>saying that something that is a big deal isn't a big deal is basically the definition of appeal to trivialityThat's often within the realm of subjectivity. Like changing a character from talking about impressing males to impressing people. Not a big deal to some, a big deal to others.
>>736763159If I'm gonna be honest, I think we're talking to a bot. Like a ChatGPT agent or something. It looks like it's prompted to be deliberately shit at basic logic or something.
>>736762993see >>736752950
I cannot rest easy until every trannylator, past and present, feels unsafe to show up anywhere online or even outside.
>>736762367Listen, if your view is: "Video game feminism is dumb, who cares? It doesn't matter what you do to virtual women" I'd be FINE with that. I'm not here to convince anyone that they need to become woke anita fans and binge watch the fem. frequency videos. (althought, the amount people will claim shit she says, they really should have watched them to make sure she actually says that shit). I'm merely dispelling lies that have been made about her. That's all. Most of what you heard about that woman is bullshit, made up by VERY angry gamers. >>736762371I'm mocking you, because your argument has become so very very dumb. Because you moved the goal poast all the way from: "anita said you get rewarded for killing women in hitman" to: "Okay, but, in the clip where she never said you get rewarded, and she did actually say you get punished, she said it is a light punishment, and I think the level becoming more difficult, is a heavy punishment", just so you could keep believing that she's a manipulative liar. Do you see how much you have to bend the narrative to keep believing anita sucks? She's literally just a person making very basic feminist observations about video games. Stop believing nonsense lies. Like I told the other guy: you don't need to become a feminist. But I'm being insulting to you because you're being embarassing with how hard you are trying to make her into a liar.
>>736763243>i-it's just your opinion, goygood goylem. continue ignoring the evidence of the harms exacted by pozcalizers >>736762870 >>736747519
>>736763106I really don't get what you're going for here. I think you said you're not arguing her point for her. But like here, is that her argument? That because the level is clear-able the player isn't punished enough? The player should be allowed to killed other NPCs but the female strippers or just female ones should result in a game over? Is that her argument or your argument?
>>736762367>"This is misogynistic because you can kill any NPC in the game, and some of them are sexy women"that's literally every sjw's argumentjust like boomers in congress who start screeching if a game contains children and they can get hurt or injured, or die. it's the reason GTA has absolutely 0 children NPCs
>>736763106>"Anita uses lets play footage">she never admitted to doing so nor credited those whose footage she used - you left that part out>"if you never played a game, who wants to show footage from it, needs to use someone elses footage to show it". therefore: "since anita uses someone elses footage she has never played the game"And now you're being a typical leftist pretending not to understand the point. The proof she never played the game is in her omission of gameplay affecting punishments. She doesn't make any mention of guards being after you, or that civilians or guards seeing the body or you dragging it will lead to guards going to attack you or civilians alerting guards of your presence.You don't think, or pretend not to.YOU had to bring up these alternatives to challenge the argument I made against her. But SHE is the one who should've been making those arguments in the first place.
>>736762580>he thinks people don't fuck around in hitman levels.Why would you say such a dumb thing, anon? Again I ask: Is believing that anita is a bad person so core to your personality, that you are willing to gaslight yourself, that the Hitman series is not one of the most fun game series on the planet to just walk around and see what kind of nonsense you can do on the map? That the entire series isn't known for: "I meant to go silent assassin and now I guess I'm killing every single NPC on this map"? That's what you're doing right now.
>>736763296>逃げろWhat does this word mean?
>>736723256Because it alters what the creators intended. The translator is not the writer, they should not be changing the story.
>>736762952>No activists write angry articles claiming they normalize violence against men.Uuuhm.. Anon why didn't you take 5 seconds to type out: "are there articles about problematic BL stories?" and you'd saved yourself a whole bunch of egg on your face.
>>736763359>I'm merely dispelling lies that have been made about herSo your her simp. Why should we care?
>>736763632It's like 逃げる but the る is ろ which changes the meaning a little.
>>736763159Here we fucking go. You don't know how many cunts say a line changes the meaning when a: it doesn't do that at all, and b: the example of a "good" alternative translation they offer is the most watered down, overly literal, hogwash bullshit in terms of personality that I could eat a bowl of alphabet soup and shit out a better translation than the 1:1 horseshit these anti-locfags consider good.
>>736763359I mean, she did say this:""players are meant to derive a perverse pleasure from desecrating the bodies of unsuspecting virtual characters. It's a rush streaming from a carefully concocted mix of sexual arousal connected to the act of controlling and punishing representations of female sexuality"Except players are not actually MEANT to do any of that. They get penalized instead. Her framing does not align to what the game intends for the player to do.
>>736723256>Spend literal years studying an intensely difficult language>All for the purpose of sabotaging the work of natives because of your political ideologyI actually really seriously don't understand the mindset of people like this. I don't understand having a malicious purpose in life and dedicating years of your time to it. Maybe all along I should have been working in politics because maybe eventually I can be a petty tyrant and fuck over people I've literally never met. Or not because this is the behavior of somebody who's deeply mentally disturbed. We live such luxurious lives there's no need for this strange petty vendetta against others.
>>736763740Anon, I said what does it mean, as in translate it.
>>736763802>Spend literal years studying an intensely difficult languageThat's the part your mistaken by Anon. They didn't. They don't know Japanese.
>>736763179>You said there was no punishment.No, I said a hundred times that the claim was there was "little" punishment.
>>736763805快跑
>>736763431schizo alert
>>736763917Read the sentence after that retard
>>736763802>I actually really seriously don't understand the mindset of people like thisit's simple>all the competent people move on from vidya to serious fields, like legal, technical, or medicine, leaving the scum at the bottom of the barrel to work on anime, manga, video games, movies, etc.>since the pay is so shit, only batshit insane cultural marxist social parasites motivated by a desire to twist and destroy someone else's work to push their own agenda are willing to take the job
>>736763918In English
>>736763751>anti-localization criticism can all be thrown out because some randoms on line nitpick some lines way too much>but pro localization opinions are totally fine even when localizers have time and time again shown their ass online while gloating about the retarded censorships they force into games. not how it works buddy.
>>736764123>>anti-localization criticism can all be thrown out because some randoms on line nitpick some lines way too much>>but pro localization opinions are totally fineever heard of a falseflag? your post literally describes a falseflag
>>736763530Would be a shame if right after this section she said: "Sometimes areas go on high alert for a few minutes during which players have to lay low or hide before the game and its characters forget that you just murdered a sexualized woman in cold blood. These temporary game statuses are implemented so that acts of violence against NPCs commited by players do not inconvenience or interfere too much with the core gaming experience. High alert serves as a faux-punishment that doesn't "ruin the fun"". I honestly don't know why I'm arguing with you guys about how anita is a liar, clearly none of you have watched the fucking video. CLEARLY all of you just parrot what some fucking youtuber said she said. Or you wouldn't keep saying this shit.
I will once again refer to the "eventually I began to hate them". It's been over a decade since gamergate and they are still lying without shame. Death to all trannylators and journos
>>736763694Some anons care if they have false info. Some don't. Up to you I guess.
>>736764123>anti-localization criticism can all be thrown out because some randoms on line nitpick some lines way too muchWhen did I say they can "all" be thrown out? I've mentioned in this thread about how I have literally had discussions like this with other "anti-locfags" but we had mutual respect for each others' opinions because we acknowledged it as such. And there is no shortage of retarded pro-loc takes, such as blindly defending the interjection of politics when it wasn't there, most commonly of the woke kind. I maybe did a shit job presenting it, but I'm in the camp of civil discussion. And the ones I bring up (anti-locfags) and who you bring up (pro-locfags) are the ones with an ideological agenda that ruin any hope of having this mutual and civil discourse, because I know first hand that it's definitely possible. I am generally pro-loc but I acknowledge localizations I consider poor and I am not afraid to point that out.
>>736751874Or you're just a dumb and easily impressionable kid.
>>736764421it's so tiresome
>>736764421>When did I say they can "all" be thrown outwhen you presented all of "the opposition" as being the most extreme anti-locfags, right here >>736762706then when i pointed out your strawman you doubled down here >>736763751or was i supposed to take that reply as something else?
>>736764242What about >>736763781?
>>736763781Ah, I see how you got hung up on this! I actually mentioned this before in this thread, but you might have missed it. So: you are 100% correct. If we just take that sentence by itself, it sure does seem like Anita is saying like the devs expect all players to do that, all the time, and it is the intended way to clear the level. HOWEVER: If we go a little bit back in the video, to the beginning of the section she says: "games ask us to play with them [...] Developers set up a series of rules and then within those rules we are invited to test the mechanics to see what we can do, and what we can't do. We are encouraged to experiment with how the system will react or respond to our inputs and discover which of our actions are permitted and which are not". So, within that context (and a bit more that would make the post too long), it is clear that she was not talking about what you are expected to do, optimal play wise, but rather: what are things that are possible within the game? She is here talking about ONE OF the things the developer intended us to do within the game: Kill a bunch of strippers. She is not talking about what the developer intended as the only, or even just the best way to clear the level. Just about a thing that the devs created for us to do. Which they did because, ya know, you can do it.If you missed the intro to the section then yeah I could see why you would think she was saying that this is how you play all the time.
>>736764101nigero
reminder that the shills actively defend this, especially since his horseshit still got accepted.
>>736764627Just got to it! >>736764673
>>736752732The pioneers of JP to EN localization have stained the entire process. They didn't do a good job from Woolsey to Alexander Smith who have created completely fabricated tones and stories in the games they localized and newer generation of localizers copy them wholesale.
>>736764673But that's not what she actually said. That's your overly generous mental gymnastics rationalization of what she said.
>>736764748not to mention the shit with Harmony Gold and Macross
>>736763569wow did I say that?You can't compare intendedness of fucking around in GTA and Hitman. GTA is built around fucking around, Hitman just allows itAll of Hitman is like GTA mission, fucking around is not the purposeIt's not a 'fuck around' game
>>736764673>>736764724Also: fuck me, I said "you are 100% correct" because, well, he is, it does look like that, but now reading it back, it reads like fucking chatgpt because that fucker always says that shit, lmao. I promise all this comes from my own brain, no ai. >>736764829That is QUITE LITERALLY what she said. Like.. I can give you a time stamp if you'd like.
>>736764892Ah so the game allows this? Okay. And that is exactly anitas point. That the game allows this.
>>736764931For this?>So, within that context (and a bit more that would make the post too long), it is clear that she was not talking about what you are expected to do, optimal play wise, but rather: what are things that are possible within the game? She is here talking about ONE OF the things the developer intended us to do within the game: Kill a bunch of strippers. She is not talking about what the developer intended as the only, or even just the best way to clear the level. Just about a thing that the devs created for us to do. Which they did because, ya know, you can do it.
Nigger spend hours yapping about how strippers are sexist lmao
>>736764242>hide for a few minutes>every time you kill someone>not inconvenient enough to discourage killing peopleHer whole premise is that gamers are desperate to kill the strippers no matter what
>>736765113It's a bot and I'm retarded for wasting so much time on it lolBut it's interesting that the talking points haven't really changed much over the past 10 years
Even looking at this old thread you can see that the entire discourse is just fucked. One one side you have shitlibs defending localizers out of sense of political tribalism because they signal their shibboleths, and the other side arguing about dumb minutae and not looking at the big picture. Neither side can formulate a simple sentence in Japanese.Thing is if you can speak basic Japanese and having the original script in front of you, you will quite quickly realize that something is wrong. I've seen enough games now where localizers actually tone down the politics, make amateurish mistakes and consistently butcher the tone. This isn't a political issue, this is a competency issue. Having a character say "incel" or some other stupid politicized buzzword is not only infrequent but also the tip of the iceberg.
>>736765035No, obviously that is me summarizing her saying that when developers create a set of rules and boundaries, they expect us to explore these rules and boundaries and do things within these rules of boundaries. (Rules and boundaries in this case being: anything you can do in the game, not stuff like "you get minus score if you do this" kinda rules). Aka: if a developers wants us to not be able to do a thing, they will create the game in such a way that it is impossible to do that thing. For instance: In "The Outer Worlds" you can kill pretty much every NPC. So in order to not brick your main quest, the professor character is at all times behind bullet proof glass, unable to be killed by the player. Every other NPC in the game, you can kill. It is ill advised, it will make for an odd playthrough, but it is 100% something you can do in the game, and also something the devs intended for you to do, even if there are no rewards and mostly just downsides to doing so. It is something set up within "the rules and boundaries" of the game. Same goes for stripper killing in Hitman. >>736765259No, it isn't. Again that is clear from looking at the full context. She is talking about a situation they devs have allowed for, and that specific situation only, she is not saying "graaah! males just want to virtual-rape stripper NCPS!"
>>736764602>or was i supposed to take that reply as something else?Well yes. Because you have completely misunderstood my points and resorted to accusations of logical fallacies of which you don't even know the meaning of. I was explicitly referring to the vocal minority that do a fantastic job at presenting themselves as the majority. Use common sense and you'd realise there's no reason that what I said should extend to actually normal people who voice disagreement with some loc choices. And you didn't point out jackshit, so drop the straw man accusations. I never even accused you of wanting overly literal translations. I merely stated that it is what the most vocal retarded "critics" (like LinkAsobi) want..
>>736765319To be honest at first I thought it was one of those dedicated faggots from back then that dusted off his old anita folder.
>>736763267>I don't understand what they say>I don't like what they say>They must be AI!GTFO
>>736765328The thread was bait from the beginning. It's no surprise whatever schizo made it bumped the hell out of it.
>>736764673>She is here talking about ONE OF the things the developer intended us to do within the game: Kill a bunch of strippersKinda dishonest wording for multiple reasons. They intended the players be ABLE to do it. That's not the same as intending players to do it.And it's intended that they be able to kill ANYONE or EVERYONE, not specifically "a bunch of strippers".
>>736765390>Rules and boundaries in this case being: anything you can do in the game, not stuff like "you get minus score if you do this" kinda rulesSo game mechanics. Why not use the correct term instead of making up your own definition of an established set of words?
>>736765390Ok, so not literally what she said. What she did literally say was a lie, which is why we call her a liar. And you disingenuous I guess.
>>736765390>Same goes for stripper killing in Hitman.Because they are NPCs you braindead retard. You're desperately trying to "other" them when the rules(see. mechanics) all operate the exact same way for every NPC. There's no difference in behavior. 47 doesn't quip about the women, your desperation in trying to make this seem like an isolated issue when the reality is if you were autistic enough you could mod them out and make them normal npcs with minimal effort through the magic of model swapping. Since you wouldn't need to change behaviors(mechanics) and would be able to leave everything else as is then that means it's standardized across the entire game so singling them out is a sign of retardation.
>>736764979>allowsimplicitly encourages*
>>736765390>she is not saying "graaah! males just want to virtual-rape stripper NCPS!"she totally isit's dripping out of every dumbfuck leap and assumption she makes
>>736765390"it's misogynist if the developer doesn't specifically prevent the women from being killed even though everyone else can be killed"ok
>>736764673>She is here talking about ONE OF the things the developer intended us to do within the game: Kill a bunch of strippers.HOWEVER that's ONLY true if we take your interpretation of not just her words but the developers intentions at face value.Now, how do we determine if someone is trustworthy.>1. Doesn't lie about provable facts>2. Doesn't lie through omission about provable factsSo far you're 2 for 2 on not being trustworthy. So why should we trust your interpretation?The correct interpretation is that NPCs exist to hinder your mission by being in the way. You can kill them or disable them but doing so is often more punishing than if you left them alone. NPCs ALL operate on the same general logic. To say that the devs intended for you to go on a massacre is bullshit you made up to justify her arguments. They INTEND for you to play the game properly. Did Nintendo intend for you to be able to travel across parallel universes in SM64?Well according to your logic, since it's in the game they absolutely did. Yet for some reason Miyamoto NEVER made mention of it? How odd...
>>736765556It only becomes dishonest if you take it out of the context of the whole video, and present it as it's own, as if she was say the game expects you to do this. Which is how this whole thing started: Me saying anita is actually pretty harmless she just has basic feminist points about video games, and people lie about her and take her out of context to paint her as some game hating she-demon. Which she aint. >>736765570>Why not use the correct term instead of making up your own definition of an established set of words?Because it's a very basic feminism video. She is explaining things for people interested in feminist concepts related to video games, and as such she has to explain what gameplay encompasses. But also, I would say it is a bit more accurate than gameplay, personally: when i think of "gameplay" I think of "core gameplay", and she is more broader talking about: "anything the devs made possible within their game, or impossible". But yeah, gameplay could be a word used for that. >>736765725As I said before: You're arguing if video game feminism matters. I don't rightly know if it does or doesn't. I'm just here to say: Most of what we believe about anita is not actually true, and stems from lies. >>736766013see above.>>736765884such as?
