What defines a "good" MMO? Why did BnS fail? Why did Tera and BDO fail? WoW fags need not apply, its a 20 year old game, move the fuck on.
>>736746287That face looks retard, she looks like a downy.
>>736746287Leglock and impregnation>>736746349faggot ESL
>>736746287>good mmo No such thing
>>736746287>petite>flat-chested>wide hips>thick thighs>fat ass
>>736746349And? Id stick fuck the shit out of her face
>>736746287Good combat does not make up for Korean p2w greed
>>736746483Holy SHIT, imagine "correcting" this derpy looking nerd child.
>>736746287>>736746434the only good mmo is trove back when shadow towers were the endgame
For me it's still Lineage 2.
>>736746536>p2widk why poorfags are still on this tirade 3 decades later. Grow the fuck up and realize time is FAAAR more valuable than money. I LOVE to spend money if it means skipping all the bull shit grind to get money or gear or atleast reduces that grind significantly. Its alsy why i love autobattlers. I get to actually get shit done AND play the game at the same time. When you retards get out of grade school, you will understand how precious time is and start to actually appreciate p2w, unless you are still poor well into your 40s, then idk what to tell ya. kys i guess.
>>736746287a good mmo has elves that you can sex I just wish it wouldnt be monthly payment but that seems to be the meta with MMOs.I really wish we had some liberation mechanic like helldivers does it (in ffxiv)
>>736746287I hate stupid modernslop in fantasy games.
>>736746287what is that putrid face and artstyleits as if someone took ai slop and put its textures on a face
>>736746483
>>736746287>What defines a "good" MMO?one that's fun to play with friends>Why did Tera and BDO fail?because they're embarassing to play with friends>WoWis woke as fuck but still fun to play with friendsdeal with it
>>736746682I love to not play games that force me between doing chores and spending moneyThis is impossible to understand for gachatrannies like you though
>>736746434trvke
Cute character stuck in a shit game.
>>736746287>"good" MMODoesn't exist.MMOs thrive on popularity.But you can't make a game that successfully caters to Joe Schmoe who works quadruple shifts to feed his 13 kids and only has time to play 5 minutes of vidya a day on his 2013 Chromebook AND NEET Poopsockers who haven't consumed vitamin D since Bush.So you choose to cater to one of those groups and your player count goes into toilet.
>>736746349>>736746725Its really easy to out the unironic gays and faggots in these threads. If your dick doesnt get hard at the sight of perfection such as kiki, then whats the point of you even having a dick?
you fags wouldn't even play her game because it's auto battle mobile slop
>>736746287I look like this btw
>>736746962see, thats where you are wrong. Because i spent like $500 on pic related autobattler game and its not even half as good as HiT 2. They are losing out on a lot of money
I love the design but hate that fucking dance.Can we get some pole dancing in here.
>>736746962Well yeah no shit. I'll still jerk my dick to her though idc.
>>736746349I only need her to make/have one type of face
>>736746926Body is pure sexo, but Id avoid looking at that beaten-up mongo whore face except when kissing (never close your eyes for kissing, faggots).
>>736746682You clearly did not play many korean mmos. I'm not f2p, but being encouraged to spend every bns trove or just to keep up for the hardest lost ark raids is not good.
There's a reason WoW is still going (decently) strong. It is, by FAR, the most responsive MMO out there. Everything is absolutely fluid, actions happen the second you press your buttons (possible latency of course excluded), movement does not feel floaty or clunky and it's just generally really smooth to play.So I'd say that a good MMO is one that you do not have to fight against to play.
>>736746926>if you dont consume aislop shit you are gayI am the biggest faggot on the planet then.
>>736747297>everything i dont like is aislop
>>736746682Imagine being so brainwashed by capitalism that you rather spend your time wasting money on imaginary numbers going up instead of actually spending your time on video games designed to be enjoyed.
>>736746287none of those games failed. Tera and BnS were mismanaged, and BDO just fucking sucks. korea in general are just fucking bad at the global market especially back then. they'd licence off to literal whos in different markets and sit back whilst those companies drive it into the ground, along with version/update disparities. anyway, the features of a good mmo haven't really changed. all the old ones like EQ, FFXI, wow classic, GW1 etc are still alive, whilst new ones get the AGS treatment for that very much real "modern audience" that totally exists, and immediately flop. plus they use shit like UE5 which is just kek.
>>736746682>I LOVE to spend money if it means skipping all the bull shit grind to get money or gear or atleast reduces that grind significantly.Why not just play something good instead?
>>736747227>You clearly did not play many korean mmosRetard, You use BnS as an example of "p2w" and you think I havent played many Korean MMOs? let me educate you, you dumb faggot. I played flyff, I played Perfect world, I played Frosaken world. If you havent played these games, you know fuck all about what real "p2w" looks like. play a game where you can spend 30k-50k USD on a gear set that makes you so fucking unkillable that even OTHER PLAYERS WITH THAT SAME FUCKING GEAR SET cant kill you, THEN you can come talk to me about p2w/This kid really mentioned "trove" in BnS as being p2w, what a cute and obvlious retard lmao.
>>736747056holy shit that's insane value
>>736746287the ones real women don't play
>>736747136idk, retard faces are hot when they are in heat because they make natural ahegao faces
>frosaken world
NCSoft cant make good games.BnS revamp was a thinly veiled cash grab.The same will be all games coming from them until the foreseeable future.
>>736747297>I am the biggest faggot on the planet then.we know
>>736746287>Why did BnS fail?i dont like>pay2win>korean monetizattion schemes>GEAR HAS NO BEARING ON COSMETICS AND IS JUST STATS>dodge and miss chance in a game reliant on combos and counters that goes back into "pay2win OP"its a bunch of great ideas weighed down by garbo implementation as is typical for korean games
>>736746287>Why did BnS fail? Why did Tera and BDO fail?As someone with a long history of playing korean slop fests even back when it was still not popular to sell gambling to your customers. It's mainly the egregious gambling. MMOs take a lot more mental investment than phone game gachas and eventually no amount of coomer outfits and emotes are going to keep someone that likes MMOs playing when they constantly need to rat race to keep up and the actual game content is blatantly secondary to selling you more gambling and coomer shit. Most MMO players want to feel like they earned something so an upgrade to +20 at a 0.1% rate that you can swipe your credit card for to try is fucking dumb.
To this day I know my ideas of an MMORPG are perfect because every fucker that thinks they know better doesn't mention it and every game has been shit as they line up with those shitters opinions.
>>736747535its one of those gacha's that have super value for players. They have like 2 lifetime cards for $5 and $20 that gives you a shit ton of gems and other benefits per day, and they stack. so you can log off for like a month and you will still collect those gems offline and come back to like 10k gems.
>>736746886To me, the ideal RPG is fight male chad MC fighter/knight with her as the main companion.
TERA died because the publisher fucked up and banned a tool people were relying on to play. The devs were being sued at the time and couldn't recover financially. BDO is still doing fine
>>736747782>>736747056Mobilefags are truly a blight. You sicken me.
>Anon makes argument that hinges on either him being bad-faith or genuinely retarded>Dozens of anons take the bait, hook line and sinkerTera cost like 4m for development + upkeep. It made more than 2 BILLION. That's 50x return on investment. That's a massive success. Thanks for replies though.
a good mmo is ultima online before the renaissance expansion and those other early mmos that were influenced by it and not by everquest. It was all downhill for the genre when trend followers went the way of post-Renaissance UO or Everquest.
>>736746962nuh uh I played her game and got her to like level 40 or something. I was able to hang around the end game zone and almost kill one mob. it's a huge p2w wall at that point. but even without the p2w, the game is completely fucking awful both as an actual game and as a horny gacha. I would much rather put money towards some guy making pinups/animations with her model.
>>736747521Yeah, Zoomers dont know what real p2w is because they are spoiled. If you think BnS or ESPECIALLY BDO is p2w, you need a reality check on how bad things really use to be.
hips too big
>>736747916Is Action Taimanin considered a mobile game? Because, Its a good game and i play it and also I coom to Yukikaze because she is a brown skinned loli with a body ment purely for breeding.
>>736747932Then were is the sequel? Im waiting for the official announcement.
>>736746287Sorry but if you're posting an MMO thread without acknowledging that WoW and 14 are the kings then what are we even doing here.
>>736747521>>736747952>my shit has a bit of corn in it so it's not that bad to eat
>>736747932TERA cost cost way more than 4 million, but it was doing fine up until the devs got sued and had to settle their lawsuit. This was after spending a ton of money on Elyon which failed miserably.
>>73674752130k-50k on a set?Damn nigga ive seen people drop that on individual items in nexon games.
>>736748182They arent, You are just blinded by nostalgia. Id give you FF14 tho, contingent on 1 thing. How easy is it to mod in the sexy version of lalafells such as pic related?
>>736748323Its not.
>>736747574That's fair bro. I think is mostly the make-up anyway
>>736748259Anon, are you arguing just for the sake of arguing? It doesnt matter even if it cost 10x the amount of that, and they had to settle for 20x of the amount of that, they'd still had made 20 times the investment which is still ridiculously good. Both of these numbers are way above the real numbers too: Tera didnt fail by a long shot, whether you want to nitpick the numbers or not.
>>736748305I know what he is talking about I think. In perfect world, It was called R9 gear iirc. to get that gear set was like 50k, and you could only get it by buying it because the ingame means were impossible. However, there was a weapon that was comparable to R9. It wasnt officially a Rank 9 weapon at the time, but its power was on par with it and it was equally impossible to obtain without paying. The weapon alone was 50-80k depending on class. So to get the full gear and weapon was 130k, which people ACTUALLY spent because their was a forum posts of a guy showing off that he had the full set including weapon. this was back in like 2007 or 2008, so i have no idea what the current state of those gears are now, but back then that was 100% the price.
>>736746287The problem with a lot of MMO's is that I don't want to interact with the people. I don't know if thats a me problem, or the game problem. Probably both.
>>736748173Announced last year.
>>736748396>Its not.unfortunate, guess ill continue to not play FF14 then, even for the potato loli's. They just arent sexy enough unless you bait with these edits. I bet their not even mods.
>>736748858Not officially tho, it was basically a leak from a non official gaming news site.
>>736746287>Why did BnS failMainly because of censorship and really piss poor management. The theme of the game was alien to a lot of players as well.>Why did Tera and BDO failTera failed because it was made by people who stole assets from Lineage and it lacked endgame content. The gameplay was fun for a while but it didn't really translate well to raids or other endgame content which was comparable to what WoW offered back then, so for an audience which had already gotten used to that, Tera offered little else than just a standard leveling experience.BDO didn't fail, it just found a niche which keeps it alive. It's just not extremely successful but it's there and it has more daily players than recent western live service games. Also you have to keep in mind that it's 12 years old.>What defines a "good" MMO?Beyond player retention, offering a sense of community and that cannot be built unless players need each other to progress in the game. That's probably the only real thing which is needed. Secondly, a sense of progression which is tied to clearing content which is only doable with other players, and which cannot be devalued later via accessibility because what you're actually constructing is hierarchies of value, because at the end of the day you're working on a parallel society, which is what mmos are.
>>736748626>Arguing for the sake of arguingNo your numbers are wrong. I'm pointing it outAlso it failed in that was difficult and expensive to design for so the publisher left it in maintenance mode for nearly a decade in favor of creating a failed WoW clone. It was actually somehow doing fine in spite of being in maintenance mode. If they ever make a Tera sequel it will probably be either dumbed down or an offline game.
>>736747521NTA, but he probably meant more having to pay to keep up instead of paying to win.
>>736748868They are actual mods and it's not hard to mod the game the other anon is just retarded. Still shouldn't play the game though it's fucking garbage. Better off just whacking it to pics other people take.
>>736746287BDO unironically has peak numbers right now, especially on EU. And it's a decade old game. It's just not doing WoW or FFXIV numbers. It's a niche.
>>736746287A good MMO has the right amount of grind. Most modern MMOs fail because they're not grindy enough or there's no reward for the grind. Nobody wants social events, gay storylines, a thousand mounts, they want to make their way to the top of a wizard tower and die 100 times in the attempt just for some shiny weapon or a pile of gold
>>736748639https://youtu.be/_ejkRT3EFdM
>>736749069I hope we get Shai mods in CD.
>>736749069H-Hey! thats MY shai you theif! Doesnt BnS have a hyper express or something that catches them up with pretty much everyone except hardcore min maxers?
>>736749510I have already seen them.
>>736749069>>736749532thicc shai.
>>736746287why are the heads in these korean goon games always so small?
>>736746287>What defines a "good" MMO?Whatever it is sure is not nigger asses like in your pic
>>736749532gonna Need more proof.
>>736749510What are the mods? show em.
>>736750179meant to quote this guy >>736749534
>>736749532post more images of her
>>736750112>>736750259
>>736746287People don't consider an MMO successful unless it gets a whiff of WoW numbers, but WoW blows and the reason it was so successful is because celebrities marketed it to normalfags.
>>736750293>but WoW blows and the reason it was so successful is because celebrities marketed it to normalfags.That, but mainly because there really wasnt any other MMO back then anways, other than runescape i guess... Funfact, WoW did NOT invent flying in MMOs, flyff did. Flyff was the first ever MMO to have open world 3D flying, and WoW stole the idea and tried to make it their own.
>>736749532This is my Shai!
>>736750471Huh, I always thought Perfect World was first with their flying swords. It was my first flying MMO.I've always hated flying, it skips the world and ruins exploration and interactions with others.
>>736750291more!
>>736750492Cute shai
>>736750671Shai domination.
>>736746287BDO is pretty successful and is doing fine atm. Regardless, that fact that some of these mmos are 20 years old is exactly why they are successful. People play them for a very long time and are invested in the setting, lore, and their characters. Just look at Old School Runescape for an example of that. Objectively the game has shit tier graphics and is EXTREMELY grindy, but its still very popular. Its the second most popular MMO behind WoW. Why? Because a lot of people played it as a kid, its simple to understand, and its still fun to make progress to your account over time.
Mating press all the Shais ITT.
>>736750831I think MMOs that are old are better than ones that are new provided they do not let content go to waste. Properly keeping the size of your world, extra content, growth paths, etc is rarely managed well after a few years let alone a decade.
>>736750575
a shame that the shai in crimson desert arent as cute
>>736750995No need, PA is giving us DokeV for maximum Shai coom. That game was literally built on the foundation of a dev looking at a Shai riding a Donkey and thinking it was the cutest shit he has ever seen in his life.
BnS they sat on for like 10 or 15 years and it was old and busted shit by the time NCSoft launched a global server. But it made plenty of money in Asia where they actually had fukken access to it.Tera stayed alive a lot longer than the devs themselves expected all because Elinchads PAID for that game. I think they started to suffer damaging hacking attacks or something which led to them finally having to shut down.BDO is shameless p2w and the p2w model classically fails in the West because pay2win is just paying to cheat. That's not JUST lame )(cheating is lame) it's SUPER-LAME because you're paying some sleazy game devs to let you cheat. like holy shit. but it made plenty of money in Asia.
>>736751190Where is it?They said there would be more news after Crimson Desert released but all social media accounts for the game are still in a coma
>>736746287Tera?now that was a based game from a better time
>>736751272end of the year
>>736746287probably because whatever the fuck this is, it isnt a game and its just a 3d porn model viewer for gooning AGP retards.
>>736751263BDO is pay to win on paper but there's a limit to how much P2W one can realistically do. To me the proper term is just an expensive game to play. The 'sub fee' (all the various buffs) is ~$30 a month. If you want to ACTUALLY pay to win in BDO, the generally agreed equivalency is about 1 hour of grinding = $20 of real world money. If you want to P2W you absolutely can but its brutally expensive.
>>736751272>Where is it?With them lying about it being a real game to boost valuation and them nearly getting fined by the SK government because of this they probably have to actually make it before showing it.
>>736751272they said to expect more news about it later this year.
>>736746287A good MMO nowadays is a regular great game but you can trade with other people and the online connectivity pretends you share zones with other players. MMO devs should just ignore WoW and everything from "MMOs"(prehistoric mobile games). There's no value in looking at "MMOs" to make good MMOs; just make a regular game with online trading and some kind of online connectivity beyond co-op like a shared biome area, deep dungeons to party up for, etc.
>>736751190I did not care about the Dokev character designs until i saw that outfit.
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>>736751505you just described Warframe, which is indeed immensely popular. I'd say its more of an mmo-lite but its consistently one of the most popular games on Steam year in year out.
>>736751557>biological female with Elin profile picdesu, these girls asks and wants to be raped while RPing as a Elin.
>>736746287BDO's UI is fucking hideous. I logged in and 95% of the screen is pop up windows like it's a 2000s web browser with malware. I don't care how good the game is if they can't get the basic ui actually usable the game will never become popular to regular people
>>736751556>basic loli can transform into a Thicc loliI always cared about DokeV, but yes, that transformation is what got my dick hard too.
>>736751673
>>736751713bdo is extremely complicated and yeah the base UI is a bit ass. But a lot of people like that bdo doesn't really hold your hand, its very much a sandbox mmo where you have to just kinda learn things on Youtube or as you go.
>>736751713Most people turn near everything off.Popups, hints, notifications, etc
>>736751190>skin dentation on a loliYa, this game is gonna be insane. Cant wait.
>>736750991If this was a Skyrim Mod, that loli would definitely be giving that horse a standing blowjob. Hot.
>>736746287korean MMOs all have the same retarded gear grind that involves gambling to level up gear and other tedious time wasting fuckeryUntil they stop doing that shit they can never be good
open world sandbox Dokev when?
>>736746287actually being a mmo for oneAll those games were all split up into instanced channels, completely defeating the point of being a MMO in the first place.Tera failed for numerous reasons depending on who you ask, but ultimately there was no reason to ever go out into the world once you leveled up, and that world was very linear. PVP was 100% decided by gear despite the "true action combat" advertising, and there was little end game content and they even ended up further removing end game content. Eventually tera gave up and nerfed all it's defining features like the BAMs.BDO failed because it fucking sucked. You have grinding spots on the map, and you grind those forever. No real raids or dungeons, enemies are punching bags, bosses are punching bags that decide to 1 shot a player at random, pvp again is entirely decided by gear, has the terrible korean enchanting system that results in 10 more hours of grinding on failure.didnt play bns as much but it had a lot of the same problems as tera. had no real reason to be a mmo.tldr they are korean mmos and korean mmos always suck
>>736746682if your time is that valuable, why are you wasting it on a video game in the first place
>>736752038You can mod that into BDO.
>>736752228do you not understand the concept of free time retard?
>>736752137I don't really think its fair to lump in BDO with Tera, BnS, Lost Ark, TnL, etc..., because BDO is actually pretty successful. Its nowhere near as big as the kings of the mmo genre but it has a respectable size playerbase, currently sitting at #63 on Steam overall with ~25k players (only on the Steam launcher). So its still fairly popular.
>>736752275How? also, Where the fuck are those shai mods that anon was talking about "seeing". ive never seen a single lewd Shai mod for BDO.
>>736752228Brother there are millions of people that "play" games just to watch numbers go up.There are people that consider watching someone else play a game as playing it themselves.There are so many weird ways people play and enjoy games you just gotta not care. Play how you play, have fun how you have fun.
>>736751778i knew someone who wrote a review like this who was also a massive lolicon. it was purely to virtue signal to their friends who hated lolis lol.
>>736746349If she's down, I'm down.
>>736752314it failed to me because it sucked
>>736752471What kind of MMO do you like? If you enjoy themepark MMOs like WoW or XIV, you won't like it. BDO is closer to OSRS where you're supposed to make progress over years and years because gear doesn't really reset. Its also very sandboxy and doesn't hold your hand at all.
I need more kikihttps://litter.catbox.moe/wd0mmz.jpg
obviously the next evolution of MMOs is immersive sim sandboxes.
>>736752881ToT
>>736752543>What kind of MMO do you like?none anymore desulast i enjoyed was mortal online, but ultimately required too much time investment to consistently get to the good parts
>>736752881
>>736752881>We'll never get an actual game with characters like these
>>736746287>What defines a "good" MMO?It encourages team play outside of raids. There's nothing comfier than casually grinding world mobs with strangers while shooting the shit. Also MMORPGs are a dying genre and devs really need to explore other MMO concepts like Planetside.
an MMO is only as good as how many active players it has.WoW, hailed as the greatest, is objectively a shit game. FF14, Runescape, etc. You're in a big dull world doing daily chores. The gameplay loop is no different to zyngaslop with timed events and comsetics competitions.It's actually an improvement to gaming that MOBAs and FPS killed MMOs because at least you are more actively engaged in the gameplay primarily
>>736746682>It's not p2w it's pay to gain a significant ingame advantage over anyone who doesn't pay the fees I do>I NEED to pay to "skip the grind" because I'm a 40+ year old gamerdad, I have no tiiiiimeGod I fucking hate redditors
>>736753115>missed out on pre lobotomy grokit's not fair
>>736753386>redditorsThis mindset is mostly a product of being born Chinese/Indian
>>736752137>pvp again is entirely decided by gearthe vast majority of pvpers only do capped content lol, uncapped is dead outside of 2-3 guilds that only ever fight each other
>>736753296If anything modern mp games make sure that you can't interact with anyone, fucking bizarre, most of time is just a glorified SP.
>>736751713What does a good MMO UI look like?
>>736753721like that
>>736751443>there's a limit to how much P2W one can realistically doIt's not 2021 anymore, they straight up sell rng gamba boxes that give insane fuck tons of crons now, and the only way you're pushing gear in 2026 is by cron stones lol. They don't even hide it anymore, BDO is more p2w than ever.
>>736746732literally begging for correction, ain't she.
>>736753386stop being poor and you wouldnt be so mad faggot. get a fucking job that isnt mcdonalds or walmart.
>>736752881Not puffy enough.
>>736753831Who cares? its just crons. the event are giving that many crons for free to everyone anyways.
>>736753994>A-ackshuwally you're right, but who cares anyway?Be an honest person for once in your life.
>>736753362>an MMO is only as good as how many active players it hasvery untrue.WoW can have 10million niggers and I'll only ever interact with maybe 1000 of them ever.I'll remember less than 100.I'll keep in touch with less than 10.Smaller MMOs can still fit those same numbers except it's probably more memorable because you see the same people day in day out. You get to know who is who.
>>736746349You must be ecstatic about finally getting some representation
>>736746287>What defines a "good" MMO?Simple. No weekly/daily timegate slop, no cash shop, long as fuck grind to max level/gear, cool shit to do at endgame that rewards the best gear in the game, no transmog, no/very limited fast travel, open world pvp with incentives
>>736754218The most fun I had with an MMO was Tibia which had a few hundred people in that server. Again, the game itself was horrid but it felt like an exclusive social clubFor me, part of the problem was that I'm anti-social so even in WoW's peak era, I was bored out of my mind doing quests. Tried to get into classic during the COVID lockdowns and just couldn't bring myself to join my friend's gay discord group. Without that, and with most players now opting to exclusively communicate via third-party, it was laid bare just how dull the actual game was.>>736754583You've taken away all of the MMO elements and incentives to return to the game
>>736746287TERA failed because of literally a lawsuit putting some of its devs behind bars, when they got out they decided to do something else because MMOs were on their way out even when TERA was new and gacha were in.
>>736754631If the only way to make a game an MMO is to make it shit, maybe don’t do that.
Tab targeting MMOs aren't bad, but what is bad is the user experience. Nothing makes up for >>736754583 and nothing makes up for endgame being basically an afterthought. You should always have things to kill or dungeons to run or PvP to be had that's fun for everybody, even people who don't poopsock 24/7.
>>736754631what mmo elements did i take away?
>>736754631>You've taken away all of the MMO elements and incentives to return to the gamefuck off WoWfag
>>736754583>no cash shop>no transmogI understand the idea but that's how you end up with max level players that are still grinding looking like clowns with mismatched gear, and every gear maxed out character looking exactly the same because there is 1 best set for every class in the end.
>>736754795>ndgame being basically an afterthought.There should ideally be no "endgame".MMOs are meant to be lived in worlds not games to be beaten.
>>736754948Transmog ruins looking at players and seeing their gear and being wowed by what they have achieved.Transmog itself is also a stupid as fuck system and there should just be separate slots entirely for cosmetics.
>>736754631>cash shop>dailies and weekliesI don't want to play with secondaries who demand these + battlepasses in their games
>>736746682>>736753882>>736747521Why not play a game that doesn't waste your time in the first place instead of paying?Reminder that having time-wasting grind isn't the natural state of a game, that shit has to be purposefully added in.
>>736754818The more you look at it, the worst features of MMOs are what make them MMOs. You strip away all of the bullshit and you are just left with a multiplayer game that people can just jump in and have fun as they will.Long time players will gush over the endgame raids or whatever but why gatekeep that with hundreds to thousands of hours of forgettable monotony that nobody enjoys.
>>736754969honestly, I agree with you. Though I struggle to think of any MMO that has this mindset. Every MMO during the WoW extinction event just wanted to be a theme park that guided players to the exit and have them dance like monkeys on the worst part of the game: The dungeons. Things that if you knew how to beat them were trivial and if you didn't know how to beat them; you just ruined the experience for four other people. All in all, I think this is the kind of thing that ruined MMOs most of all.
>>736754948Ok how about this, crafters can alter the appearance of sets, not to anything but several variations, you also get dyes, that plus a good character creation system and you wont be seeing many clones
>>736755228>The more you look at it, the worst features of MMOs are what make them MMOs. You strip away all of the bullshit and you are just left with a multiplayer game that people can just jump in and have fun as they will.You just described Diablo and Vindictus
>>736746287ERP Potential
>>736746483>give me Elin, but make it safe for normalfags
>>736746287I played TERA on a pserver recently, and retail during release, and honestly, it's kind of plain as a regular game, and as an mmo, it's pretty much the same as what's already available but with real-time combat which only works well at low latency. I can see it being enjoyable if it's your first mmo and you also have a good connection to the server, otherwise it's just kind of average and not enough to switch from the mmo you're already playing.
>>736753831True they switched entirely to gamble boxes, which is pretty much the "cheaper" alternative to buying them from blacksmith. That ironically made it better for low spenders and F2P people since they give away premium costumes, pets and other cash shop items like candy nowdays. They know whales don't care about QoL items since they're maxed out. Still paying that much money just to have a 5% cap in spots is insane lmao
>>736751584Yeah there's just limitations to quality when you try to shove massive netcode connectivity into everything. It has to be limited; not necessarily as much as Warframe like they could really learn from PSO2>public stages within missions where you could see strangers outside your party running around, chat with them, or even recruit them to fight a boss or farm specific things3/4 or more of any MMO can be a mostly solo and coop experience but there's an expectation that eventually there are difficult dungeons or deep roleplaying. I've yet to see an MMO that embraced massive zone traversal as the task and as the adventure itself rather than sightseeing between NPC quests or nodes to collect garbage. I'd love to play something like that where you stumble on another party who can help you or teach you how to survive in a new zone to make it somewhere. Where players have their world niche and nobody can be everything all at once. That's just a pipedream nowadays though Valheim might be the closest to that.
>>736755297You troons ruined TFD threads, I won't let you ruin these.
>>736755239Archeage, BDO, Mabinogi, OSRS, DDO, DDOThese off the top of my head.
>>736755324if you actually have low latency though that combat is some of the best in the genre. At least the older versions of tera, it was a perfect hybrid between true action and tab target style gameplay
>>736754583>retardYour MMO would die in a week.
>>736755319how is that safe for normalfags
>>736755537so just like every other MMO!
>>736755390That's true, I don't really hold BDO's p2w against it these days or rather even in the past like 4 years since capped exists and that's all most people care about. I don't really have any desire to p2w to hit tankier mobs. Ever since PA took over they've treated f2p players a lot better, kakao used to only give out like 1 free pet a year and if you missed it then you were just fucked. At least the freebies do help keep people around despite PA's profound retardation when it comes to updating the game outside of quality of life.
>>736755537It would filter many, yes
>>736746921The casual demographic is made up. We are 99.9% the same, and learning MMO gameplay is easy.You make the same gameplay loops, just more. WoW and such simply aren't living worlds.
>>736755601It's more p2w than ever but also friendlier to freetards. The scales haven't been tipped but both plates are heavier.
>>736754685Anon the lawsuit thing happened very early on in TERA's lifespan. It died because PUBG became immensely popular and EME discarded TERA to focus on PUBG.
Two main reasons.>gooks tend to release playable products but run them into the ground through sheer disconnect from the playerbase and game's actual state because they don't play their own gamers>catering to pedo coomers is not a good business strategy
>>736746349
>>736756203They also made Elyon/AIR which died very fast.Why they decided to make a poor BDO clone with 2012 graphics I will never understand. Why they didn't add in Elin despite knowing they are the reason TERA worked, will puzzle mankind for eons.
>>736755601In a similar vein I think SmileGate is probably going to take over publishing for Lost Ark very soon. AGS is extremely incompetent and its basically killed Lost Ark in the West.
>>736756370>Why they didn't add in Elin despite knowing they are the reason TERA worked,Elin were an accident
>>736755319sure buddy
>>736756315>catering to pedo coomers is not a good business strategyTERA was literally carried and saved by elins because so many people bought cosmetics for them. Initially they thought castenia would be their money maker and were proven wrong.
>>736756585>was savedIt's a dead game though? Lmao
>>736756561Coincidentally the school swimsuit for Elins was the only money I ever put into TERA.I wore it from the day it released to shutdown.
>>736756628>retard
>>736756628And it would've died 1 year after release without ELin, instead of making money for 6-7 until PUBG got big
>>736756628Still playable on consoles. But yes it didn't extend it's life indefinitely. If you push a little girl out of the way of a bus you saved her from being hit but she will still die of old age.
>>736756561What's crazy, is that it's more than clear than lolis are popular and profitable always everywhere, yet they avoid them like the plague.
>>736756628the image is more than a decade old
>>736756628>struggling only 1 year after launch and close to closure>release elin swimsuits>make so much money they can drop subscription s entirely and go free-to-play for 11 yearsGood bait though retard-kun
>>736756747What even went on in their heads when they shut down the pc version but kept the console one up, surely there weren't more MMO players on console?For that matter, why even shut down? there are online games that have had no players for 10+ years but the server are still available to play on
>>736756754Almost as if pedophilia is illegal and heavily frowned upon outside of inbred muslim shitholes.
>>736756974>heavily frowned upon So why are they so popular and profitable? Clearly it's vocal minority keeping gamers down.
>>736756736>>736756742>>736756747>>736756892>ackshually an mmorpg limping along pathetically for a decade before dying is a good thing It shut down, it's dead unless you play on a console.
>>736756974>illegal and heavily frowned upon outside of inbred muslim shitholes.Idk, most rich people seem to be into it
>>736757046Nothing lasts forever peter pan, remember that.
>>736757046>fallacyConcession accepted.
>>736756892you're a lying niggerit became a ghost town in maintenance mode devoid of real updates while they occasionally churned out some elin pedobait for the remaining few mentally ill erpers who helped zombify the servers for a few yearsactual players have all quit and there was fuck all happening ingame
>>736756936EnMasse was the North American arm of Bluehole publishing TERA. In 2017 PUBG came out and started making way too much money so BH just kind of stopped caring about TERA. EnMasse was shut down in 2020 and GameForge was given the rights to NA TERA (they were already in charge of EU TERA), so at this point TERA was already operating independently of BlueHole since Gameforge was their own company. Truth be told I have no idea who the fuck published console TERA, but it might be a similar situation where its just whatever company currently owns the rights and they only own console TERA so that's what's still running.
>>736757205Nice headcanon, zoomer next time try bringing up the actual issues the game had instead of your nu-puritanical cryfest.
>>736757205I was there when Tera was a pay to play subscription model. no one touched it, including me. They released Elin swimsuits and it saved the game enought that they decided to make it f2p JUST to get more Elin swimsuit sales. .
>>736757675The game's launch was very successful but they had little post launch support thanks to the aforementioned lawsuit and arrests. I was there at launched and everyone was very positive about the game and were okay with the subscription model
>>736757235pubg making that much money is a clear indication of how retarded gamers have gotten, esp since it led to fortnite... Zoomers cooked gaming for a life time.
>>736754583The only thing wrong out of those is a long grind to max level. I wouldn't even have levels.Various dailies and whatnot are fine. Just don't gate content behind it. Give sets or resources or money.Transmog is fine.
>>736757675My group at the time of TERA's release was all playing RaiderZ. TERA was pay to play and we all ignored it. RaiderZ stopped getting content around when TERA went f2p and that's when we started.
>>736755073Just make the more powerful sets more attractive. People should be able to grind and wear cosmetics, because that's a huge amount of content.
tera was one of the last mmos with a tv commercial
>>736754969Content ends. Linear progression suggests that some content/equipment will be endgame.
>>736760310Okay then don't do linear progression?fucking problem solved ez.Takes 1 hour to go from tier 1 to 210 hours for 2 to 31000 for 3 to 4then cap out at like tier 10 and design around it.Tada the man hours required to get max gear and compete at "endgame" is now millions and millions of man hours. Now your players can slowly work towards that while doing other things such as exploring, creating UGC, socializing, build crafting with available gear, etcyou have like 0 creativity anon.>everything must be EQ and WoWgoddamn man
>>736760486Has a game ever even done that successfully?
For me it's Tree of Savior in the alternate reality where devs chose to not lock classes behind a fucking gacha.
>>736761047a damn crying shame what they did to this game. Same for Kritika.
>>736760486>Just have one set of gear for 990 hours.What are they supposed to do? What are they supposed to gather, craft, and trade? What makes it a living world?Just have material repairs durability and an abundance of sets that offer different playstyles. Some of them are going to be more powerful than others. This is fine. Have size, speed, and power rivaling comics.
>>736761617>durability
>>736761790>Punishes dying.>Gives the economy a reason to exist.How do you expect people to need resources?
>>736761047It's a shame about what could have been, it has great art and banging music.But they just had to dumb down all mechanics and turn it into a turbo-gacha slop p2w mess.It's a korean game, so I'm not surprised, but man.What a goddamn waste of potential.
>>736761880>How do you expect people to need resources?Potions, scrolls, enchants, whatever form of temporary power that crafters can make that doesn't negatively impact players that aren't trying as hard but still creates that incentive and gold/mat sink.
>>736760486>retardYou made a dead MMO. Congrats.
>>736761047ToS had so much potential but they fucked up in numerous ways.
>>736746287Too fucking bad, vanilla WoW is the only good mmo ever made
>>736762104Enchants are permanent.You're not going to drive a whole economy with potions. What about ores, leathers, and cloths? Durability is fine.
>>736762370>Enchants are permanent.I don't recall what game it was but there was definitely one where they lasted around 2 hours instead of being permanent.Idk exactly what that anon had in mind with the long grind between tiers, but I imagine resources like ores, leathers, and cloths could be used for side activities like furniture for housing, or even invested into other professions like how it's done in FFXIV where they craft each other's gear to progress.
I'm curious, is anyone making a replacement for tera?Is it even possible?Sorry but no elin = no swipe.
>>736754631>MMO is only good if I'm tricked into playing it>thats why i like MMOsretarded take
>>736762623Durability determines how long players can use their equipment. It would require 100x more resources than potions and flasks. It's no contest.
>>736746287A good MMO gives you something to do besides a constant grind for gear.
>>736762837HiT2 - Mobile, Autoplay, no global serverMu Origin 3 - Mobile, AutoplayLost Ark - Isometric, Amazon Game StudiosTERA 2 - Allegedly in development, likely for the next 10 years
>>736746732>Fixed this for you!
>>736756974>and heavily frowned upononly by non-gamers
>>736764113ruined
>>736764113nice>>736764154also lolis attract women, tera had a massive amount of girl gamers playing it
>>736761047
>>736746287>Why did BnS fail?Questionable launch with unintuitive systems (that have been reworked multiple times since) fragile servers and invasive anti-cheat, all of which NCsoft mismanagement. The game basically ended with Temple of Eluvium and everything past that was just a P2W number-go-up shitfest that scared off more and more people.
>>736764113>AI slopped retard>FixedIf you are gonna use AI, use it correctly
>>736764113Based. Only high test male in this thread other than me.
>>736764949>Correctly >That fucked up face>That fucked up "bra" / net whatever under the bunny suitKill yourselves, peak of dunning krogermart
>>736764928well, another reason is that I cant even fucking LOG INTO BnS because of their retarded purple launcher saying i have duplicate accounts and making me "verify", but the verification says i can fucking log in. They had this issue for years now and still insist on using their shitty client instead of just porting it to steam.
>>736746287BnS launched like 2 weeks before BDO.
>>736765146BnS was the better game for years tho.
My mmo question is why do ffxiv players spend thousands of hours modding their characters when games like PSO2 can just so this natively.
>>736765146BDO was basically not a playable game without spending at least $200 to fix all of the intentional problems the game initially presented you with
>>736765234Because NGS is a shit game, put that creator into literally any other MMO and you'd have a permanent success. PSO2 no longer exists and NGS made sure of it.
>>736765234Because PSO2 sucks and it limits the min height slider compared to Japan version.
>>736765053It is on steam now but all the reviews are just complaining the servers don't work so I didn't even bother downloading to check for myself.
>>736765234because NGS is fucking dogshit as an actual game and nobody plays it.
>>736765303Early BDO was a miserable game to play, but nostalgia fags are delusional and will tell you otherwise.
>>736765045>retard doesn't even know about the shit xe's criticizing
>>736765361Neo is on steam, but not Original BnS, which is the better game at this point unironically.
>>736765346Counter point, XIV is equally shitty.
>>736765469What's Neo like exactly - and more accurately, what did they fuck up THAT time?
>>736764113oppai kiki is based but that image is low quality
>>736765407I loved early BDO. There was a brief moment before awakenings and before the pri-pen system got added.Classes were mostly balanced, most people capped out at +15 gear, I think people used Agerian back then. The only different things in terms of gear was accessories, most had base or pri MoS or witchs and few had Ogre Rings.Things on the pvp front were nice.And my favorite thing about old BDO OH praise be it was so good. Losing exp on flagged pvp deaths.>encourages group grinding for safety>leads to conflict between guilds>punished people for trying to steal rotations>made money for the devs people buying tears>spamming back to losers you're killing the price of each tear>That's up to $14.25, wanna keep going?
>>736765480It may suck but it at least satisifes the first M part of MMO.
>>736765824read post >>736754218
>>736756974>pedophilia is illegalwrong
>>736746287is the world a joy to be in?
>>7367658241k isnt massive first of all, but 2ndly if the 24 hour peak of a game matches the 1 hour current players of the game, then that means 99% of those players are just afk lol.
>>736765914> I'll only ever interact with maybe 1000 of them ever.Brother that is 1000 spread across multiple ships and multiple channels.Each channel holds a maximum of 200 people assuming everyone packs into the same channel and you aren't being automatically and arbitrarily spread into other channels, spread across the 4 major quadrants, and even further divided into the 32-player zone subsections further divided within those quadrants. Also assuming people aren't in their private quarters and/or one of the dozens of solo grind instances because that's the most efficient way to grind.>>736766210Reading comprehension.
How is BDO? I want to play a PVP MMORPG, but all the good ones are dead
>>736747936yep.MMO died when the jorney stopped mattering and only getting to the end game became the goal
>>736746774>Why did Tera and BDO fail?>because they're embarassing to play with friendsthis, my friends still hang shit on me for only playing elins
>>736750471>there really wasnt any other MMO back then anways, other than runescape i guessWhat the fuck are you talkong about. There were TONS of MMOs wuen WoW came to be. But other than Ultima, no other one had a strong recognizable brand name.
>>736766550Why wouldn't you make like-minded friends in the game to play with instead? I remember TERA being cozy and having some sense of community, at least before they removed charms and campfires which people used to gather around for buffs and regenerating stamina
>>736749069Cute Shai. Here's mine.
>>736746287Tera failed because the developers literally took a hatchet to it. It made no sense.
>>736766251I didn't know you needed 1000 people on your screen at all times in an MMO.I've been playing them wrong. I concede.
>>736766448Very p2w, very gear not skill dependent, and will take a long time before you can do a lot of the real good pvp.
>>736766882I hate how they did the shading for the hair in BDO. It looks terrible unless you hide most of the textures with black.
>>736766907>1000 is plenty, I'll only interact with 1000 people max anyway>uhhh whoa hold your horses there I don't NEED to interact with 1000! Just 250 is fine>250 is still a lot, so you know 200 is okay>200 is more than i'll ever remember, so 50 is just right>It's okay that i'll only see 32 people out playing the game, that's still massive compared to 8!>You know what it doesn't matter, i'll just grind this solo instance to show off to all my friends later
>>736766719>Why wouldn't you make like-minded friends in the game to play with instead?i was in the /a/ guild and didn't even know my real friends even played the game until after that shitty new starting zone happened
>>736767105I ain't even reading all that you won.
>>736767096The unfortunate truth is that BDO is a flawed game.But for now it's all that's left that is relatively active.
>>736746287BDO is one of the few remaining MMOs with a pulse, though.Korea's biggest problem is their predatory monetization. I like that they're moving away from that, but I hope that it doesn't coincide with them going full prude.
>>736767781It's finally biting them in the ass huh?It says a lot when even koreans are deciding that they've pushed things too far.
I really think the most important thing for an MMO to do is facilitate player interactions. Like, there's a lot of talk about other genres intruding on the space but I still think there's something special about loading into an MMO where everyone is part of the same community and not sectioned off into their discord chats while queuing for shit. Modern MMOs miss the mark because we keep refining the game aspect but not the social aspects.If I made an MMO I'd strip away any convenience that reduces player interactions. No flying mounts, no fast travel. If you want to get somewhere far away you get on top of a ferry that expediates that trip but forces you to sit with strangers for a minute. Any instanced content has weekly leaderboards so that names and reputations matter in the community. I'd probably avoid dedicated player housing despite how hot it is these days and have like, customizable camping tents you can pop out in certain wilderness locations or something. You want to take a break, you go to a safe spot and pot out your tent where everyone else is doing it too. Just look into every possible way to organically force players near each other.
>>736746886I really like the eyebrow wiggle at the end
BDO's doing fine.You're a retard.Thread hidden.
is project Gorgon good?
Still waiting on anon to tell me how to find those BDO mods so i can lewd my shai.
>>736768587ATF
>>736749995Head size is basically how koreans scale a character's age
>>736765234Because they are too retarded for VRChat
>>736746287What game? Why the fuck not a single post says sauce but mention every other MMO lol.
>>736769248The source is in the thread you just can't fucking read.
>>736769450>no porn whatsoever Meh anyways. Suck my balls nigger.
>>736766448BDO is fun until you hit the AP treadmill 50-100 hours in.I still kinda recommend it. My memories of playing it are more positive than negative.
man i'm playing pso2 new genesis and the modern clothes feel more out of place than in FFXIV, I don't know how to explain why, but it's like the outfits of the majority of people look like slutty cosplays.
>>736746287Tera would have been fine but it suffers from uhhh...well I can't think of any exceptions so literally every fucking korean MMO just being gambling simulators as part of the secondary gameplay ruining the rest of the game.Think about it, Lost Ark and Tera are the apex of their respective MMO gameplay combat genres but they're absolutely fucking miserable to deal with gearing up, generally shite localizations, and because focusing 11/10 in a few categories like raw gameplay / graphics / character design then the other categories end up being complete shit like 3/10 story, music, ect.The fact they're making Tera 2 proves it had success but if they strap more god damn gambling onto it I might skip over it entirely. Sick of that shit, it's all koreans seem to make, mother fuckers made like 2 single player games over the past 16 years and both have been pretty good so I have no idea why they don't make more.
more sexo = more gooder
>>736765234>degenerate tranny mods>blooskie>evertim
she should flat, half as tall, and less curvy
>>736770564Fuck off ESLfag
>>736746287Not expecting players to die to learn content. If you have to watch a video and spoil the content for yourself in order to not die to know where to stand ahead of time, that is not good game design, that's bullshit. There is no getting filtered or being casual or whatever cope you tell yourselves. That's a humiliation ritual circlejerk people jerk eachother off to because they were exposed to it first and expect others to do the same as them to play the game.Avoid that and you have a decent mmo, thats not hard. Getting BS's by insta AOE mechanics is bad game design, not challenge, not learning, its bullshit. Especially if the MMO is from a country where they're so packed into a tiny space that they dont count delay when testing mechanics.
>>736767781>>736767873Thing that sucks is a game like Maplestory 2 can come out and it got closed in NA because it didn't make money. They could have left it on life support but it made so little money due to no p2w.
>>736770564how the fuck did i forget the be?
>>736769667Illiterate nigger
>>736770646I think dying is fine if you design it right
>>736770564a certain anon has a personalized version of the model like that but he posts maybe once a yearhttps://litter.catbox.moe/vcsfcm.jpg
>>736770217God this april fools was so shit I already forgot about it
>>736768587>Splurt
>>736772485Fixed
>>736773090Get out.
>>736746287There is no such thing as a "good" mmo anymore. They are hard carried by their communities and modern MMOs are full of normalfags. Purely on their gameplay merits all MMOs are fucking trash.
Get in.
>>736773224You wouldn't made it in a 00 community and be promptly label as a pariah.
>>736773090Nice.
so what's the current best loli mmo?
>>736746682p2wfag cope
>>736746287appealing to literal sex addicted teens to young adults is impeding the growth of the genre.
>>736772485>>736773090*fixed
>>736746774did the dev of that game go on to make clickbait ads for mafia city
>>736746483>knife-ears instead of kemonomimi + tailElins were better and it seems the gooks are too scared to make more of them.
>>736780321They don't want to get into legal shit just to pander to pedos.
>>736765234People who go to such lengths are usually attentionwhores and/or homosexuals so they need an ample supply of people to look at their character. PSO2 does not have enough people to satiate that.
>>736780594If you don't draw the line at "fiction is not reality" and stand on principle, you've effectively lost every single argument against Karen censors going forward.The conservative censors who were seemingly vanquished for good in the late 90s and early 00s have become emboldened again in recent years by the success of the neoliberal censors.
>>736780772Then why do people spend so much time modding Bethesda games? As a modder myself, I basically never post anything from my modded games. I tinker entirely to make the game more to my liking. Which is something that a lot of people in this world do.>>736765346 was correct.
>>736780945There's a difference between sexy women and pimping out virtual children in BDSM suits. That train has sailed and it's not coming back.
>muh elin saved tera cope againif that were true they game would have stayed p2p while receiving content updates, meanwhile the game went p2w and received no content updatesif that were true it would have flourishing private servers with tens of thousands playing across them, meanwhile the couple private servers that exist are empty
>>736781139My post was meant for the people who do character mods for MMOs. FF14 in particular has tools that lets others using the same tools to see the mods you installed and vice-versa.
>>736748323you have to do a bunch of shit just to find a discord that host the mods for it and even then thats not sure to last forever because a number of those lalafell discords are filled with mentally ill people who will just tank the discord for shit as small as not getting enough attention when they want itmodding xiv is for faggots
>>736751272you're more than likely not going to hear anything about this for at least a year since im sure most of PA is trying to improve the problems people have about CD which they've honestly been doing a pretty good job so far
>>736781434What's the difference between pimping out a virtual doll that looks like a child and shooting a virtual doll that looks like a grandma?>That train has sailed and it's not coming back.People are utterly miserable with the hypocritical sanctimony that's completely taken over society. Rather than taking half measures, we need to just reject the foundations that they're working off of. We were a lot happier when we were doing that.>Where does it end?!When an IRL person victimizes another IRL person. BTW, the fact that they played GTA is always the least of the problems of people who shoot grandmas. They would have been terrible people if videogames didn't exist, and people like them have existed since the beginning of humanity.
>>736781845Why wouldn't people mod MMOs for the same reason that they mod single player games?
>>736765234most of the good shit is locked behind gacha that may or may not even come back or paying the insane prices people ask for on the auction house and pso's community is more fucking insane that xiv's
>>736756561>japanese localizers came to them with a pictute of a school swimsuit and said "please do this">changed the entire fucking course of the game across all regionsInsane. Bless those JP pedoniggas.
>>736746287mmos are a dying genre, no one wants a forever game anymore. new stuff keeps coming out so why play X in 3 months? or worse people dont want to join an older( or even a 2month old server) mmo since they are "behind" and cant catch up. lot of older mmos were also used as chatrooms, discord took that market over so no reason to log in everyday.closest thing we had besides wow was archeage but it died with p2w thunder tree boxes. every single time that game did a fresh start it broke new numbers. really sucks archeage 2 wont be an mmo.IMO the only way to fix mmos are 1. sandbox the fuck out of them, logging in and thinking "what do i wanna do today" instead of "time for dailys for x hours then i can play the game" 2. reasons for older players to play with and help newer players and dont punish people for grouping like less exp3. some kind of forever grind for sweats to push to but not so extreme that new players give up IE a soft gear cap vs hard gear cap4. removing p2w, i don't care if its inventory space or extra character slots if you spend money and have an advantage its p2w. mmos reward time invested, sorry you have a kid and cant game like you used to but maybe mmos are not for you anymore.
>>736746287The blade n soul anime sucked ass
>>736746287>>736746483>>736746732>>736746886>>736746926> Child on top> Woman on bottomA daring synthesis...!
>>736746682You like spending money to not play the game? What a sad state of affairs
>>736746287Dragon's dogma online and monster hunter frontier are the only good mmo everything else is pure garbage
