What videogame character would fit the bill of anti-villain?
>>736752285>good methods>voting good goy
>voting
shouldn't the antivillain have bad motives and good methods?
>good methods>voting
>>736752285Rhoda
>>736752285Antivillains are workers of certain NGOs, they are part of a supposedly humanitarian organization whose work actually makes the world worse.
>>736752285Unfortunately DOSII'sBut that's more because larian arbitrarily wrote the "yes man" path as the worse path for no fucking good reason
>>736753447that's why he's evil
>>736753447>>736753505>>736753768If I can't vote. Then what else am I supposed to do?
>>736752285is this the new media literacy patch where permanently online troons invent a new word?
>>736752285Nier sort of, though the Shadowlord does not use good methods.I doubt there are many video games, or even movies, that outright make the villain a wholly good person.
>>736752285Kerghan from "Arcanum" is probably the best example.
>>736752285The problem with the concept of an anti-villain is that due to their competency and motives, most people are just going to view them as a hero regardless. So all you're really doing is establishing a hero who some people argue was actually wrong, which is extremely common.
>>736754723Accept that you're a peasant with no power to influence the evil jewish cabal controlling the world, and play video games instead.
>>736752285Enclave of Fallout 2.
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Probably the only good female character Kojima ever wrote.
>>736754874He's selfish tho. The whole “kill everyone so that everyone can enjoy bliss” thing is a secondary issue compared to what his real problem really is
>>736754874>RETURN THE SLAB
>>736754723Nothing, since inciting to violence is illegal.Now you know the real reason why thats a law.
... wait, I thought that Anti-Hero was good intentions, bad methods.Wouldn't an Anti-villain be bad intentions, good methods?
>>736755048>He's selfish tho.He's not. He already reached the peaceful afterlife, and only came back in order to allow everyone else to experience it, as well.His reasoning is ultimately flawed, of course, but his intentions are noble.
>>736754723If you are not capable of violence, nothing at all. The meek have no voice and no recourse.
>>736755090I thought it was illegal because violence and murder are bad.
>>736755442>violence and murder are badHeroic stories (which are also not really being told anymore) usually involve violence to stop the enemy.
>>736754723Be like epstein, start blackmailing people
>>736753846>NGOsThat's a peculiar term to me. Why do you need to specify that an organizations non-government? Just specify when it is a government organization.
I wouldn't say that it's motive and method that describe a hero, antihero, villain, or antivillain. Because having good motives and good methods would make you a hero.What defines what a hero or antihero is at any given time is actually society and what society deems acceptable, heroic qualities. The social status and likeability (by society at large) is the key difference between a hero and antihero. Today's society views vigilantes and outlaws as antiheroes, when in the past they may have just been viewed as perfectly traditional heroes (i.e. Robin Hood). It's the societal expectation that matters most. A hero is somebody that does good things and fits societal expectations of heroic traits (which change with time), so they're socially accepted. An antihero is just a hero that's socially rejected for one reason or another (violence, selfishness, non-heroic qualities, whatever).If a villain is the opposite of a hero, that means they do bad things and they're also a social reject. They don't fit societal expectations. So an antivillain would do bad things but be socially accepted. They'd be seen as part of society and somebody that follows the rules, but they're evil. So, yeah, a corrupt politician or somebody that works within the system or abuses it for their own ends.I don't think it needs a special term because that's just what a villain does. A non-heroic hero is an important distinction for a story, but a villain that hides his villainy is just a twist.
90% of "villains" are this nowadays because people can't handle a bad guy, it makes them anxious when the bad guy does bad things
>>736755442Unless it's done en masse in response to a career criminal being killed, then it's actually good, chud
>>736754723>what else am I supposed to do?Slaves are only supposed to do what their masters tell them.
>>736755527Because the enemy is usually causing harm to people. You can't vote out a common murdered, you need to do something about him.
>>736755587Cue the popular comic book villains facing the fourth wall and saying "even I, the comically evil one, think nazis are bad and I would never ever do a racism or a rape therefore you can consoom products with my face on them without any guilt"
>>736755583>If a villain is the opposite of a hero, that means they do bad things and they're also a social reject. They don't fit societal expectations. So an antivillain would do bad things but be socially accepted. They'd be seen as part of society and somebody that follows the rules, but they're evil. So, yeah, a corrupt politician or somebody that works within the system or abuses it for their own ends.Sheev Palpatine.
>>736755583I think the implication of this is that they are only a villain in regards to the hero. Otherwise a person could rightly view them as neutral or even heroic.
>>736752285Anti-villian isn't a villain with good qualities, it's someone like Zuko, someone who fills the role of antagonist but doesn't quite fit in it due to internal conflict and doubt.
>>736752285Vyse, Delita, Sydney, Bass/Fortre, Urien, Magneto, Doctor Octopus, Kratos (Tales of Symphonia), Auron (Final Fantasy X).
>>736755442>violence and murder are badThey are bad because, in essence, they undermine the state’s monopoly on violence
>>736755552So that they can operate in many nations under the pretence they aren't violating any country's sovereignty on behalf of another.Many in fact are though, on behalf of a global "nation" that is soon to come, i.e. the elite kikes lording over you.
>>736754723Accept that you are in a queue to slaughterhouse and your life is forfeit and act accordingly to make sure that it's not taken cheaply
>>736753668no because a villain isn't supposed to have good motives
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>>736754723Actually you CAN vote, you just have to vote the people who will actually do good. The problem is most people have been programmed to only ever think there are two options and nothing else, so they think voting does nothing as they perpetuate their own suffering because propaganda has programmed them to do it and not question it.
>>736756016when's the last time a 3rd party won anything?Most voters will only choose the big two which means your vote does not indeed matter.
>>736755552Because they aren't part of the government, legally. NGO eventually became associated with glowing neon colors you'd associate with the usual shady departments and the government because they keep abusing this technicality.
>>736754723The people doing terrible shit that have ruined everything have addresses, homes, families, and friends. They are not gods, they are humans, they get sick, they feel pain, anger, joy and sorrow. Do with that information what you will.
>>736752285I dunno what this is but these characters give up a smell of someone who is smug and patronizing without having earned the right to be either
>>736755926chad insurrection has never once happened without a foreign country supporting it for their own gain
>>736756257The French Revolution? Or did they also have help?
>>736754723At least dont breed more wageslaves for Mr. Goldberg.
>>736752285A villain is someone with bad motives and pragmatic methods, so an anti-villain would just have bad motives and bad methods, they would be like your team rocket jobbers, just because they are incompetent that doesn't mean they aren't villains though
>>736754723if you are white you are supposed to dieif you are brown, you are supposed to take as much as you can from social services until the white man dies and there's no more funding and then die
>>736756089Exactly, people have been programmed very hard to forget the system has an out and they have the power to use it. Instead of inciting violence, you can try to deprogram the population and remind them of the out and the power they have, because the people who are responsible for programming the public conscious will never ever do it themselves as they are the biggest benefactors of upholding said programming.The biggest frustration of mine is that I have lived to see the exact opposite happen to my country, despite it having 23 potential candidates, unhinged online discourse and rampant misinformation campaigns have programmed my people to only ever think of the two worst options in the history of our democracy, and neither is interested in dispelling the programming because neither would have a chance in hell of being elected if it was.
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>>736755118Yes. An "anti-villain" would logically be someone whose end goal is malevolent but the way they're getting there is persuasive or otherwise enjoyable.
>>736756294>jews getting rid of German aristocrats so they can make the French gay and retardedI dunno, you tell me
>>736756381So Bill Gates?
>>736756384That doesn't answer my question. Also, were the German aristocrats good for the French people?
>>736752285An Anti-Hero is a character with good intentions, but who tries to solve problems the wrong way, usually for selfish reasons. As in, the only thing that makes them "Good" is that their goals happen to align with what we consider good. If they wanted something else, they'd just be a villain.An Anti-Villain would be a character with bad intentions, but who tries to achieve their goals in an honest and legitimate way, and for reasons they believe to be entirely selfless. Which is just a delusional asshole with a broken philosophy. Which covers a huge proportion of villains, who can better be summarized as True Believers. That's every religiously motivated villain from Claude Frollo to the Order of the Sword from Devil May Cry 4. And it's also every Might Makes Right villain like Senator Armstrong.Any manipulation you can make to the concept of a villain in fiction is just a homologue to a specific archetype of villain.
>>736756450Bill Gates did a lot of things, from finance personal computing to sterilizing Africans. Only one of those can actually be called persuasive or enjoyable.
>>736753668Yes. An antivillain would be someone who cures cancer to spite a cancer researcher he doesn't like
>>736756353>instead of promoting the only method that works and thus the one the state desperately wants to keep a monopoly on, you should try the sisyphean task of getting the slaves to stop acting like slavesMight as well have told him to start working on a time machine or a way to jump to a different dimension. Though truth be told, both of these are far more feasible solutions than relying on the common prole.
>>736756602k bro, when are you going to get off your ass and practice what you preach? Or are you just another conformed pessimist too comfortable in your own hypocrisy of wanting everyone else to do it and suffer the consequences so you can stay unbothered and reap all the rewards afterwards?You want another Luigi to happen so badly, but you're the only one who can guarantee one happens, yet you don't do it, and instead chooses to berate others for not doing it in your stead.
>>736756353>you can try to deprogram the population and remind them of the out and the power they haveExcept people are stupid and on their own they will not reach conclusions that are best for their fellow man and in many cases, even themselves.Every single uprising has a individual or a small group that defines the goals and ideas of a revolution, that's why anarchy is very short lived all throughout history, anarchy only exist briefly during power transitions.All that said, I don't care to deprogram anyone, I hate those that are susceptible to their lies, they are borderline cattle.
>>736756861Upset glownigger glows a tad bit too brightly in this post, methinks.
>>736755751That's just an antagonist, then. If you're describing a character that is good or heroic but opposes the hero, that doesn't make them a villain. If they're opposing the hero for evil reasons (i.e. they don't want the hero to save the world), then they're a villain. The perspective of who's a hero and villain is on the audience, not the characters. You can have villainous protagonists and heroic antagonists. The Witch-King might be seen as heroic to the orcs, but that doesn't make him a hero because the audience knows he's evil (and that wouldn't change even if the story was from his perspective and he was the protagonist).>>736755745He does work within the system, but he's also the quintessential villain because he's literally the Dark Evil Emperor that's so Evil he shoots Evil Lightning and talks about controlling the galaxy. He shouldn't be an antivillain. I guess I kind of muddled the idea because it matters more what the audience's society views as heroic or villainous, rather than the in-universe society, so it's not a matter of working within the system as much as it is behaving in traditionally heroic (to the audience) ways but being evil. Palpatine deceives people into thinking he's good, but everybody watching knows he's pure evil and fits every trait our society defines as evil. So he's a villain, just hiding it well.>>736755814I think Zuko is a great example and kind of makes me change my mind to say that a distinction between villain and antivillain does exist. Where an antivillain is somebody that's obviously doing evil things and is a bad guy, but from the audience perspective they're clearly a good person at core (or have traits that fit that). The mirror of an antihero (good guy that the audience identifies as being a bad person). So I guess it really just has to be somebody like Zuko who's gotten trolled into being a villain and has angst over it.
>>736754723Utilize your second amendment right.You ARE American, right? Not from one of those nations where the government banned you from having firearms for 'safety'?
>>736755703It only worked with the Joker because they leaned into the irony. A lunatic who gasses large numbers of innocent people with chemical weapons on a whim was working with Nazis because he though they were actually antisocial punks who had coopted the imagery just to terrify people. He flips when he realizes they're real Nazis, not because they're too evil for him, or too crazy, but because they're a bunch of joyless, whiny authoritarians obsessed with enforcing a rigid social order.
>>736757026There it is, the usual dismissal excuse. Keep wallowing in your hypocrisy then and wondering why nobody else is ruining their lives to make yours specifically better.
>>736757340>to make yours specifically better.Based dipshit accidentally admitting that violence would directly result in life improving for everyone else. Don't let your supervisor see this one.
>>736754723You can vote. Don't listen to the horde of jews and jew worshipping retards trying to talk you out of it.
>>736756257The Cuban, Haitian and Iranian Revolutions were all nearly entirely native and opposed by the most powerful foreign countries
>>736753846Yes, chr*stfaggots are villains
>>736752285God in mewgenics
>>736755665>You can't vote out a common murdered,Nor unelected bureaucrats, IRS employees, appointed judges and prosecutors...
>>736754723become ungovernable
>>736757578>am*rilards are villainsftfy
>>736756461A better question have French aristocrats been any good for the French people.
>>736757578True actually.
>>736757759The Vatican is a europeon state, you third world dipshit.
>>736757572Haitian revolution was almost entirely carried by mutinous foreign legions. The end result was the French bankrupting and starving them in retaliation for the genocide they've commited, something they still haven't recovered from to this day.
>>736757578Christianity is a religion for goy cattle whose leadership is overwhelmingly composed of crypto-kikes.
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>>736758091>The end result was the French bankrupting and starving them in retaliation for the genocide they've commited, something they still haven't recovered from to this day.Recycled Reddit take #14235345There have been countless nations with far worse debt than Haiti ever had, debt alone doesn't destroy a nation, the state of a nation is downstream of it's people, if the people are shit the nation is shit.It's always conveniently left out that Haiti invaded their only neighbor, the Dominicans, and continued their demonic massacres.
>>736757752Why did he do it?
>>736758398>historical rationalization tries to stray away from "niggers are evil"Learn this shorthand and you will always be closer to the truth.
>>736754723Work till you die, spend what little expendable income you have on subscription services you don't need.
>>736752285>muh votingif voting really worked they would have outlawed it long ago.
>>736758527I'm well familiar with it, the Tulsa race massacre also comes to mind.You would think, the way media portrays it, a bunch of rabid wypipo woke up one day for no reason and decided to siege a town.It absolutely didn't happen because a bunch of niggers shot up a bunch of people during a trial for sexual assault killing almost a dozen, who then fled to their nigger town and as authorities were pursuing the shooters, the rest of the niggers decided to protect the killers and started shooting at the cops to prevent their pursuit into Tulsa. Nope not at all.
>>736758169>crypto-kikesTheir deity is a literal, albeit also fictional, kike. It doesn't have to be that complicated. chr*stianity was always a jewish cult to kill all the White people and ruin video games.
>>736752285>Voting>Ever having worked post-JFK.
>>736754874If I know orc breeding factory doujin plot actually happen in real life, I'd end everyone's life too.
