>make a ridiculous cartoonishly evil parody villain for a video game>think he's funny>read youtube comments on videos of him>tons of people saying some variation of "he's lowkey kinda right though"Metal Gear Rising Revengance proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that no matter how blatant and in-your-face you are about satirizing political figures, as long as your character is charismatic and speaks with confidence, there will always have hordes of gullible idiots who think they're actually based and redpilled, all they have to do is acknowledge basic issues like "society is LE BAD" while providing any ridiculous solution or, none at all.
babbys first realization how many dumb people there are.
lol
There’s a reason Trump won
It's just japs parodying how American politics works, Armstrong does wrestling moves and you can hear cheering like its WWE. After his passionate bullshit he even admits he doesn't write his own speeches. It's all fake as shit and pure theatrics
>>736755502This except Hitler was right and jews are vermin
>>736755502Humor is the most powerful tool for getting people to agree with you about anything.Armstrong doesn't even stand for anything except dismantle the government and let people do whatever they want.
>>736755502>Even the protag acknowledges he was objectively correctstay pwnt brown zoomerito
>>736755502t.weak-to-be-purged
the song was awesome that also helps
>>736755502What was he wrong about?>>736756862He clearly meant speeches for the public, everything he said just then and there was off the cuff and pure passion. That was the truth.
>>736757192Hitler would've hated Armstrong and vice versa
>>736756787At least with Armstrong, he was willing to get his own hands dirty and take responsibility instead of always throwing everyone else under the bus while running away.Also he just turned kids into killing machine, rather than rape them with Epstein.
>>736757192Hitler accepted a ransom for a Rothschild. He's the biggest jew of them all
>Wants total chaos so everyone can fight it out for their own beliefs, no holds barred>Also invests the most powerful state of the art nanomachines inside of him to stand above everyone>Also has an entire army of state of the art cyborgs to keep him on top>Gets utterly defeated and his entire philosophy and motivation will go unheard and forgotten, he'll just be remembered as another corrupt politician except going too farSenator KWABstrong.
>>736755502He makes a couple of decent points, which draws people in because he's so damn charismatic. His actual plans and ideas are, as Raiden puts it, bat-shit insane.
>>736755502armstrong literally was right in the sense that he only lost because an even stronger man stopped him from creating his "only the strong decide their destiny" new world order. raiden explicitly ignores the law and takes action into his own hands, the same thing armstrong is espousing. the difference is just armstrong is an asshole that turns the brains of children into cyborg soldiers
>>736757758>forgotten>he didn't watch the post credits stinger
>>736755502He's pro-murder right? Like anyone can fight their own wars?
>>736755502he kinda right
>>736757934
>>736757876>"If your enemies kill you, you win."
>>736757497>He clearly meant speeches for the public, everything he said just then and there was off the cuff and pure passion. That was the truth.The game goes out of its way to paint Armstrong as a fake as fuck LARPer. He's never seen actual combat, he's not a trained soldier, he bought his way to strength with nanomachines. He has a nice education and upbringing and succeeded because he benefited from the system he supposedly hates. The whole point is that it's easy to preach HARD TIMES CREATE STRONG MEN when you're not the one who's a child soldier fighting for your life every day. War is only attractive for the ones who aren't actually fighting it
>>736755502Of course some people would like a senator who doesn't value human life. That doesn't mean he would be a successful politician, just that his supporters are easily swayed.
>>736757934He's the most extreme version of a libertarian. No government, no laws, just the strongest doing as they please.
Raiden even admits he was wrong about Armstrong though?
>>736757583you mean report epstein to the cops :)only guy willing to do it
>>736755502Armstrong is right about everything and I support his plan of a future that belongs to military-aristocratic eugenist city states armed with cyborgs and nuclear weapon powered Metal Gears ordered to obliterate anyone who even utters words such as 'tradition', 'equality' and such.
>>736755502OPEN THE VOTING BOOTH YOU LIMP DICK DEMOCRATSTIME TO END THIS
Reminder this is how Hitler seized power. He just spouted the most insane and despicable ideas with confidence, and the Germans ate it up.
>>736759141Turns out he lied about that too Only thing he did was have Epstein murdered to keep him from ratting him out for all the children they raped together.:D
>>736759728when did maga stop being based?
>>736755502Why did he want all americans to play college baseball in texas? What does that even have to do with raiden? Like what???
>>736755502His entire argument about strength falls apart when it's really just about who has better nanomachines (son).
>>736760842Just like Armstrong would have, you got played a sucker.The only difference is you're going to be a good slave, instead of dead.
>>736761463nothing is preventing you from making your own nanomachines
>>736759581not really his points about jewish bankers and secret societies are correct, his observations about the history of white people are correct, his points that it was all being covered up as an attempt to control history are correct. But relying on eugenics to solve everything is incorrect.
>>736758484Yeah you’re never going to get a hardass trench grunt as president, ever. Doesn’t mean we should have a ‘le honest’ ladder climbing faggot who hates machismo and wants everything to be as gay as he is. Armstrong would 100% have the support of the vet and military vote.
>>736761463His entire argument falls apart when you ask him how much AIPAC pays him
>>736761463Using whatever tools and weapons is part of might makes right. It doesn't stop him being a cowardly faggot but its allowed. What really undermines Armstrong is that he get couldn't even get his plan started before getting BTFO. He dies hoping Raiden carries on his will but he doesn't.
>>736759581If you listen to hitlers translated speeches all the problems he talks about are literally the problems happening today, there is a cool kids club for international bankers fucking everything up and we're not in itNow his solutions and excuses for wrecking europe were retarded, but the diagnosis was spot on
>>736758484But he fights you at the end??? The metal gear he first fights you in is a literal nerf to himself. He is raw power and strength manifested. >>736761651We've had presidents like that
>>736757498Not really
>>736761024Let this serve as a lesson to you on American culture. They adore American football so much every other sport feels like what you're stuck doing when you can't win at American football. Saying you played it in college means you probably got hit very hard many times and somehow survived.
>>736762008>Saying you played it in college means you probably got hit very hard many times and somehow survived.that explains so much. the nanomachines arent a volunary upgrade but a survival crutch to fix his brain damage.
>>736761920>But he fights you at the end??? Go look at how he actually fights during his boss fight. His fighting style is incredibly sloppy and he has some of the most obvious telegraphing in the game. He's totally relying on his nanomachines to carry him. They even remark about this on the codec. Armstrong is not a warrior he's just playing with cheats on, the polar opposite of Sam. Who had almost no cyber enhancements at all
>>736758484>He's never seen actual combatHe beat Sam, and unlike most "bought invinciblity" villains doesn't even miss a beat while suffering grevious body harm. It's not that the system protects him, but that the strong will trample both the good and bad weak.
>>736755502Yes? That's basically what libertarianism is all about.
>>736762591He was running up against the power limit of his nanomachines, though. Raiden won because he lasted longer in combat, and suddenly Armstrong's invincibility crapped out and left him with nothing but overstressed metal limbs.
>>736761920This nigga had a pet bear and a one legged chicken and a whole other fucking menagerie of critters hanging around the white house.
>>736755502Your media literacy is so advanced, anon!
>>736758637That has nothing to do with libertarian beliefs, you're just a dumb nigger who wants the feds (the strongest) to steal on your behalf
>>736758637>>736765002He's really an Anarchist, and more importantly an echo of Ocelot's will. The eternal rebel with the desire to return to the Wild West.
>>736762341That's true, everyone you fought previously had form, Armstrong was like a gorilla toddler
>>736755502>japanese interpretation of a popular american politician resembles the real life popular american politician what are you surprised about?
>>736762080>Fuck all these limp-dick lawyers and chicken-shit bureaucrats. Fuck this 24/7 Internet spew of trivia and celebrity bullshit. Fuck "American pride". Fuck the media! Fuck "American pride". Fuck "American pride". Gggggghhhhhhhh.
Armstrong was reasonable, if I remember correctly he even helps Raiden up, dusts him off and gives him a handshake, after which Raiden betrays him
>>736757583Trump literally took a bullet for his country
>>736757758Raiden is Armstrong now, that's the entire point of the ending cutscene. Throughout their entire fight he successfully imbued Raiden with his own ideology to fight for himself and not for the good of anyone else
>>736755502He's 100% correct on his views and abhorrence of the USA post MGS4. All of the shit that sucked was still happening, but the populace is cowed by bullshit. Just comfortable enough to not burn the fucking thing down and start over. He's 100% correct that you cannot save the system from within the system, so he was going to just destroy it from within. Unfortunately for Armstrong he ultimately fails because he expends and manipulates those around him. Enslaving others into his system that disposes of them the moment they become "weak". A system that cannot grow anything, only break what already exists down. It offers nothing but a madmans platitudes for the stupid. Raiden wins because his breed of violence liberates those around him. By the end of the game Raiden gets help from people who give a shit and he gives a shit about. (except for Jon and Rose)
>>736767175Armstrong is literally big boss's memes, turned into a person. He's a strong PMC leader, who believes in created a Darwinian world where "Soldiers fight for what they believe in." Despite ironically using his men just like the US army would, Desperado is fighting for goals they don't understand, in service to Armstrong. Like how Big Boss used Foxhound in MG, and all the other Soldiers of Outer heaven/zanzibarland. Big Boss was also pro-child soldier, like Armstrong's Robo-kids.Raiden doesn't become Armstrong, he's basically Following Snakes path with Philanthropy; doing whatever he wants in betterment of the world.
>>736767175Raiden was doing the same thing he was doing for most of the game, which is killing people who really piss him off. Armstrong endorses that, but his plan was to become the president using the promise of war with Pakistan to get votes, then immediately end all wars started by the US government while endorsing anyone who wants to kill anyone else because might makes right. Raiden thinks that plan is insane.
>>736765610Even in the last phase he has a voice line something along the lines of"I like you Jack, I'll give you one more chance"
>>736755502Aren't youtube comments just bots?
>>736755502Tall attractive people have the world in their hands. You can literally get away with redirecting traffic and no one would bat an eye.
>>736767679>>736767689Raiden's not literally carrying out Armstrong's campaign promises, Armstrong altered the DNA of Raiden's soul. His memes. After his fight with Armstrong Raiden quits his job with Maverick to go do his own thing. Because there's no sequel we don't know exactly what his goal is, but whatever it is he's working to achieve it in his own way
Armstrong wasn't really wrong and Raiden ends up carrying on Armstrongs mission anyway but in his own way.
>>736757407raiden does no such thing, "might makes right" is not an ideology, armstrong is saying the fucking sky is blue and calling it profoundmore to the point, raiden piercing his invincibility (and armstrong is a VERY sore loser, see sam's battle where he's infuriated that sam actually got a hit on him and claimed his arm, or mauling blade wolf for bringing raiden a weapon that can harm him) and standing there with his heart and nanonachine core in his hands, claiming raiden is his ideological successor for having bested him, is the most chickenshit stance he takes in the entire game. he is coping HARD on his deathbed and trying to spin his loss into a spiritual win, he is not telling raiden anything he doesn't already know, he is a profoundly delusional american noble larping as solidus snake because his own military career went nowhere and he never was a part of anything greatthe whole point of his mirror against raiden is raiden has lived all of his soldier-boy power fantasies and finds him a very disturbed and completely insane liar of a manpointedly and additionally, see also mistral's song and its lyrics, both the character herself and her music avoid talking about what her ideals so impressed upon her by armstrong are supposed to be, with her song going into enough detail to imply that she wants a moral/ideological justification for being a battlefield butcher, no matter how flimsy or even intangible that justification is. having one at all is armstrong's impression upon her, again regardless of whether she even has a real reason or not now
>>736768240Raiden left Maverick early in the story, after the Mexico level, so he could act on what he learned there without Maverick having to sign off on it. He basically accomplishes his goal by the end, having killed the Winds of Destruction and Armstrong. He just decides not to go back to Rose and work construction or something because killing is all he knows.
>>736768747The entire fucking point of the ending is that Raiden agrees with the problem that armstrong wanted to fix, but not with the way he was trying to achieve that. How do people misinterpret that?
>>736758484>he's not a trained soldierHe literally said he joined the navy
>>736769590armstrong was lying out his fucking ass about fixing thatin case you missed the unnecessary child soldier program (solidus larp) or the fact he is a seven foot tall iron-man rambling about power and "the strong" ruling a rebooted america
>>736755502Uh-huh because Raiden wasn’t literally quoting him at the end.
>>736769404He left the company on paper as part of a bureaucratic loophole but he was still working with them. At the end of the game he refuses the offer to come back because, in his own words, "I've got my own war to fight". A cause that he was inspired to pursue by Armstrong
>>736769590Armstrong was destabilizing African nations and doing it with literally one layer of obfuscation between World Marshall and Desperado. He didn't needa do allat.
>strongman charismatic man spews a bunch of bullshit and retards spend the next 10 years thinking he was making some sort of profound pointdamn wonder if that has ever happened lately
>>736755502I only remember this guy because my boyfriend kept saving the boss fights to show me (he wanted to get me into MGS series) and I was wondering in the scene when he helped the main character and hugged, would he actually work together if you said yes to him instead of continuing to attack him?I always like to see when a villain and hero CAN work together but it's obviously not done often so the scene stuck out to me.
So why aren't Armstrong's nanomachines more commonplace instead of cybernetics anyways? Do they require a shitload of energy to activate like how Armstrong had to do that weird sumo/saiyan powerup pose every time he was about to fight?
>>736769903He drained the fucking Excelsus to be able to activate them, so take a guess
>>736755502> wee wee ridiculous ridiculousThe nuke should have been dropped on the strait. The nuke should have been dropped on Kyiv. There is a reason the japanese instantly surrendered instead of dragging millions more to their grave. Retard ideologists willing to waste their lives should waste only their lives.
>>736769903completely insane power requirements (draining metal gears or a swarm of choppers to activate the transformation) + his technology is super fringe even by MGR's standards, guy became a golem of nanomachines
>>736769993guy who thinks strength is threatening to nuke a backwater after failing to illegally war against it because it turned out they have drones and aren't retarded
>>736769993>t. weak man
>>736770110Personally I don't know whether to laugh at the comedy of starting a war to distract from the cabal of pedophiles or be mad at the tacit admissions that the US is just a mercenary pool for Isreal
>>736769684My favorite part is Armstrong's power. NANOMACHINES SON is a funny meme but it also means he has enough capital to never be harmed by anything. Armstrong is literally immune from the hostility of his shitty world and he's telling an actual child soldier that his top tier college team equates to Raiden's war experience. The fact ANYONE thinks Armstrong's philosophy is about giving the little guy with ambition a chance would be laughable if it weren't so stupid.
>>736770690If people didn't want that world then the media and the lawyers and the bureaucrats shouldn't have fucked around as hard as they did
>>736757661This is the dumbest shit ive read all day.
>>736770110How was it a failure? They literally held up a guy's boxers as a win after the US set up an adhoc airbase in the middle of hostile territory just to get a single guy out and suffered 0 casualties
>>736770534The US is not a mercenary pool for IsraelMercenaries get paid
>>736771153Sorry your idol was a Jewish agent
>>736761818You're still on the "history books are all 100% truth phase, aren't you?"
>dude armstrong won because Raiden started following his own path and fighting for what he believes in This is literally what Raiden was already doing though. The game ends after Mexico otherwise, since it was too hot for Maverick to get directly involved in and Raiden couldn't let it go. He's been fighting for what he thinks is right since MGS2.
>>736771532Who said that Armstrong won? Obviously Raiden killed him, but Armstrong shook Raiden to his core with his words and made him re-think his entire philosophy on life. The point of that whole thing is that Armstrong and Raiden are more similar than they realized: Fighting for the same thing but in different ways. The theme song for the fight literally spells it out for you. Armstrong transformed Raiden.
>>736771732>Armstrong shook Raiden to his core with his words and made him re-think his entire philosophy on lifeNo he fucking didn't. Raiden's shakeup happened because of Sam during Chicago, nothing Armstrong did or said changed Raiden at all.
>>736767042the only thing he takes is jew cock in every hole
>>736771965How so?
>>736771963HE LITERALLY QUOTES ARMSTRONG VERBATIM IN THE ENDING CUTSCENE YOU FUCKING RETARD PLAY THE GAME
>>736772031Raiden has been fighting his own fight the entire game, dipshit.
>>736771984You want me to describe the act in graphic details? This is a blue board.
>>736772109That's not what you said. You literally just said "nothing Armstrong did or said changed Raiden at all", when they literally make Boris react confused to Raiden's statement where he quotes Armstrong just to hint to retards like you that he's changed. And you STILL didn't get the message. You don't have any idea what you're talking about with this game.
>>736755502Damn you worked out people are stupid? Glad you could make it anon.
>>736755502Can someone QRD the metal gear plot to me? It sounds insane
>>736772152Any details at all really.
>>736770534nobody's distracting from the cabal of pedophiles because nobody in the entire world gives the smallest of shits about that entire affair beyond the extra chance to virtue signal a little bit
>>736756787Yeah, he ran against women.
>>736772278Some people are just seething that "the Epstein files" weren't video recordings of Trump raping kids like they were hoping for. As if they wouldn't have already released everything they had that would incriminate him in order to prevent getting him from getting elected. But they were so desperate for anything that they ran him through those retarded court cases to get him labeled as a convicted felon, with charges so insignificant that no one even remembers what they are
>>736772225>That's not what you said >>736771532>He's been fighting for what he thinks is right since MGS2.Or are you gonna be a faggot who starts arguing semantics since I said fight and not war?
>>736755502>yes society is LE BAD but why can't you give me a socially approved solution rather than literally anything that would actually fix society
>>736772262Oh boy. I'm going to gloss over so much bullshit and I can't wait to see how many ACTUALLYs I getThis whole farce starts during the Cold War. There's a secret society that stockpiled a fuck load of money. A fuck load of money that mysteriously went missing. Naked Snake is sent on a mission when, surprise, his teacher, mentor, and mother figure has seemingly defected to a terrorist organization and now he has to take her out. Only to learn at the end that, surprise, she never defected at all and was working for the US Government the whole time. But she must be killed by Snake so the US can wash its hands of her actions and this is something that The Boss accepted and that Snake must accept. He did notNaked Snake could not accept the idea of a world where the sacrifice of soldiers is discarded on a dime. So after finding that literal mountain of money, Naked Snake, now Big Boss, established Outer Heaven: a nation by soldiers, for soldiers. They would work for any country and be whatever they needed to be and those within will always have a place to call home.
>>736772412No one ever said that Raiden hasn't been acting with independence. The point is that he has been fighting for the sake of other people instead of for himself. "Why do they fight" is the entire narrative of the fucking game, Raiden saying that he fights to protect the weak and then having Jack the Ripper goaded out of him by Monsoon and then being reborn after his fight with Armstrong, how Mistral fights for purpose and how Monsoon fights for pleasure and how Sundowner fights for profit and how Sam fought for justice until he failed at Armstrong's hand and how Armstrong fights for ideology. You're so fucking stupid that you took the entire game literally and missed what the characters were saying
>>736772864>And then being rebornThis doesn't happen. Raiden is already set in his ways before he meets armstrong face to face.>You actually look at the game and not make up shit upThank you for noticing.
>>736755502True, he convinced a lot of really stupid americans that being evil is actually based ;D
>>736773175>Ignored everything discussed in the last five posts just so you could pretend to have some sort of superiorityI accept your concession of defeat
>>736772762Disregarding the war crimes and the child soldiers, we also get genetic experimentation where clones of Big Boss were made. An act that offended Big Boss so much that he went back to America. But he left Outer Heaven to his body double Venom. Just pure plastic surgery and psychological hypnosis the way God intended, not that genetics stuff. But while the US could ignore most of that, what they couldn't ignore was the alleged robot they were keeping that could fire nukes from anywhere. Something needed to be done and that. So Big Boss sent one of those clones from before, Solid Snake, to go deal with it. He wasn't supposed to succeed, Big Boss expected him to show up and die. But, surprise, Solid Snake kicked everyone's ass and killed his body double. Forcing Big Boss to deal with Solid Snake again when, whoops, Solid Snake set him on fire and killed him too. So the story is over right? Solid Snake retired and moved to Alaska. Well no. Because the only thing that's harder to kill than a warlord is the US deep state. The guy who made those clones also had a vision. Of a world entirely under control. What if you could control information to such a degree that senseless tragedies become impossible because you yourself control the flow of conflict? Well one of those clones saw the way the world was moving and so him and his squad of genome soldiers, don't worry about them, attempted to rebel. Forcing Solid Snake out of retirement to go take them down. Along the way Solid Snake would meet his lifelong friend Otacon, who was the one who built the robot that can launch nukes from anywhere. Wait what? Solid Snake was sent to destroy 2 of those, why would there be more? Who's funding these things? Oh the US was. And Snake's clone brother stole it. Snake would kill Liquid but the whole ordeal was enough too set Snake on high alert, enough for him to start sniffing around into what the US is doing behind the scenes
>>736773242The development Raiden has in the game is he realizes he likes slicing and dicing and that his veil of justice is only to make him feel better about it.He has this development because of Sam, not because of Armstrong. By the time they fight off he's already reached acceptable about it
>>736755502>tons of people saying some variation of "he's lowkey kinda right though"Are you retarded? Because Raiden literally agrees with him in the post-credit scene. The only difference is that he didn't want to use children as child soldiers to do it. Holy fuck, are your forced to wear water-wings when you take a bath?
>>736773391Both fights were profound for Raiden. Sam was just a Raiden who lost after all. But you're denying the impact that Armstrong had on Raiden because somewhere along the line you were offended by some guy on the Internet and you let him calcify a part of your brain into acting like this about this particular topic
>>736758484Why does this board hate this fact so much? This is a place that whines about elites and jews ruining their lives from positions of profit and comfort. Armstrong wouldn't be your based and redpilled friend, he'd murder you for his sadistic amusement.
>>736773480>Both were profoundArmstrong's wasn't. Raiden is the same going out as going in>Calcify a part of your brainIt is a decade old talking point, and some of us have memories. Do you think I was indirectly talking about you or something you egotist?
>>736755502It's kind of the ultimate catch-22 when you're satirizing populists and fascists: the actual messaging of these is so devoid of real ideas and so completely reliant on aesthetics and cliches that anything that would recognizably parody or satirize them is indistinguishable from the real thing.Armstrong is a delusional psychopath that essentially shouts populist mad libs at Raiden to justify putting children's brains into Meta War Crimes Simulator and start a war by faking an international incident and people's takeaway is "he thought people should get what they earn!"The only person to truly avoid this was Mel Brooks. Springtime for Hitler is the only way you can satirize fascists without people idolizing them. They have to laugh at them.
>>736773482Some people get really and I mean REALLY hung up on the internet celeberty line and accept everything else because he said it.
>>736761745Raiden explicitly will, because Armstrong's will isn't about his might makes right nonsense, it's about his desire to see the individual free and able to fight their own wars rather than be reduced to a tool of justice for someone else. That is how Raiden carries on Armstrong's will, because Raiden wants the same thing and is willing to kill for the sake of it, just as Armstrong was.
>>736773482Because it's a videogame. Saying "Uhm ackshually Armstrong would just heckin' kill you" is like comparing Armstrong to Trump. Our universe is completely different from theirs with different technology, culture, and historical contexts. Metal Gear has giant robots and nanomachines and brains in jars being trained in neural simulations. Maybe in the Metal Gear universe Armstrong's ideals make a little more sense than in ours when in order to raise an army there you need to hijack the bodies of actual living people and turn them into subservient amalgamations of metal and flesh
>>736770690No that was just a hype moment so the audience understood this guy in a suit is actually a big bad threat stronger than Raiden.
>>736755502Wow OP it's almost like this is literally the thing all politicians are trained to do retard
>>736773482Uh-huh? please tell me more
>>736773786Anon you're a fucking moron of you think Armstrong had any kind of sensical belief structure. He was a hypocrite and a lunatic. You're projecting.
>>736773641If Armstrong didn't have a profound affect on Raiden then why did Raiden quote Armstrong to Boris at the end of the game?>Do you think I was indirectly talking about you or something you egotist?I'm saying you were traumatized by a similar conversation you've had with someone in the past, and now you're taking out that trauma on me by being so ignorant in this conversation
>>736773930NTAThe ones that made an impact on Raiden were meme man and BR
>>736773983If Armstrong didn't have a profound affect on Raiden then why did Raiden quote Armstrong to Boris at the end of the game?
>>736773915He didn't, but that's not the point. Raiden, rightfully, called Armstrong's actual goal insane; but all but fully agreed with his assessment of America (and by extension, the world's) real problem. It's why, after killing Armstrong, Raiden's shadow is directly represented by Armstrong and Raiden directly quotes him in the post credits scene.>"Fighting for reasons they don't understand, causes they don't believe in...">"I've got my own war to fight."
>>736773930Because he wanted to. Nothing about his character, or his actions, signify that he's carrying out armstrong's will.>Bro you're traumatizedPeople have been talking about specific topic this since the game came out, literally 13 years of back and forth about this. It would be stranger if I didn't remember it. Or are you incapable of remembering things?
>>736773915might makes right is pretty sensible and empirically proven by standing in front of a bus or falling off of a cliff or touching an electric wire or sleeping during a gas leak etcwhen you die that's that
>>736774075>Because he wanted to.that's armstrong's will. you just don't like the message.
>>736773983Every boss does
>>736774035>He agreed with "things currently have problems"No shit moron
>>736761818you have to be 18 to be on here
>>7367741469/11man didn't do shit.
>>736770690>>736773795It means lol mgs4
>>736774096First: might makes right isn't actually what Armstrong believes.Second: might makes right doesn't mean "being stronger lets you impose your will," it means "being the strongest makes you morally correct."Read a fucking book.
HOLY SHIT, ARMSTRONG MAN SAID 9/11 BAD???
>>736774075I'm making fun of you because you don't understand the game and have just been either blatantly ignoring any arguments made against you or you've just gone "nuh uh" to it, despite the actual content of the game proving you wrong. There's nothing more that can be said from continuing this with you
>>736774142Raiden doing what he wants has been his own will since he throws away the dogtag. Saying that it's armstrong's will and not Solid Snake's is an extreme disservice.
>>736774226life is moral so strength is moral. you read a book.
>>736755502He did the wrong thing for the right reasons with the wrong objective
>>736757334When you put it like that, now I think Armstrong was right
>>736774157Not just the problem, the specific problem. People being made tools of justice, slaves who have their sense of fear and pain removed by nanomachines to be perfect soldiers for others. Fighting for reasons they don't understand, and causes they don't believe in. Anon, have you ever been tested for an intellectual disability?
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>>736774260The game agrees with me though. Sorry. Raiden shows no change after the entire armstrong dialogue from before he went in.
>>736774329Armstrong loved that shit. He loved his tools. You're retarded. You projected onto a rambling lunatic.
>>736761630Nah eugenics were correct too
>>736774412You are dumb. And we will only get dumber.
>>736769736It is a weird quitting that's sometimes not quitting. Boris and company still work with him unofficially as friends. The offer at the end was to take on jobs in an official capacity like he was doing in the beginning. He preferred just doing whatever he wants over having a boss.
>>736755502Armstrong is right, Trump is retarded senile orange bitch.
>>736774390Yeah, he's a rambling lunatic that has to die. And the fight ends with Raiden performing Zandatsu on Armstrong and his corpse framed as Raiden's shadow, with Raiden symbolically absorbing Armstrong's will to fuel his own. Disagreeing with Armstrong's goal as insane nonsense, but taking Armstrong's will, his desire to end war as a business, so that Raiden can fight his own war against the world that runs war as a business. Anon, have you ever been tested for an intellectual disability?
>>736773391He likes slicing and dicing. That probably occurred to him that in Detroit when he embraced his Jack the Ripper persona and started laughing about Monsoon dying. He doesn't just want to kill everyone he sees, though. Raiden talks about fighting for "the weak," in practice often literal children, and he's willing to kill people to defend them.
>>736774493People who get their opinions from pop culture like gattaca are not in position to question anyone's intelligence
>>736775003LOL, did you think I got the quote from that movie? you are too stupid to count.
>>736774859>He doesn't just want to kill everyone he sees, thoughEveryone says this then they devolve into it. Raiden has a very weak will and gets molded by people older than him. Give it time and he'll kill everything that moves.
>>736775046There's only one argument against eugenics and it's as milquetoast as they come. Ur dumb is not an argument
>>736755502>His ideology is extremely retarded and just wants post-apocalyptic world where pure strength rules the law>Retard thinks he's right because he said "fuk the media and celebrity gossip >:(((((" as if that's some kind of a mind-breaking controversial take
>>736775107Dumb dumb dumb
The paradox of the ending is that Armstrong is correct, but also wrong.
>>736775263Nah, youre just dumb
>>736773482Narcissists are retarded and very easy to manipulate despite thinking they're all genius player-protagonists, that's why
>>736775263To destroy evil, might makes right works. To dictate a society thats above Stone Age hierarchy it doesn't work.
>>736759581is this what they teach in indian schools? yikes...
This >>736757407>>736755502>japan mistakes the concept of a villain yet again and writes one as both correct and not responsible for the bad things that happen in the setting>hero is then made to agree after presenting no alternative point of view and NOT resolving the conflict of the settingWhy are you surprised the audience then agrees? He's not a villain, he's just a disconnected event in a story of things that happen in a sequence
>>736755502>Armstrong's ideology is that he advocates physical violence to dispute issues, instead of trying to be civil and communicate>His fanboys does nothing but babble like a bitch about how he's acktually right
>>736755502People like him because after he does his monologue, instead of calling out his lies or bullshit, Raiden goed "ur crazy" and starts the fight. The way the scene is framed, the empyy but grand speech goes uncontested and the scene ends with it feeling like the things he said were righteous and real, so most people remember it like that.
Now that I think about it, we'll never get a MGS set in modern times where we spout conspiracies about jews and Israel. Would be way too kinoImagine fighting like a team of four-five jewish enemies throughout the game.
>>736767679>Despite ironically using his men just like the US army would, Desperado is fighting for goals they don't understand, in service to Armstrong.I mean he outright states he's doing the contrast of what his end goals are, with the implication being he'd stop doing that>I'm using war as a business to end war as a business
>>736774493Explain how a nation of Germanics and SOLELY of Germanics wouldn't succeed
>>736775668Raiden has a bit of an ideological debate with him. First, he calls him out as being just like every other politician. Armstrong says he's the complete opposite, and he's been lying the entire time about what he wants. Raiden hears what he actually wants, and gets pissed at him because his plan is basically "purging the weak" which must be easy to say when you've bought super strength and durability. Some people do remember it as "Armstrong gives speech and then Raiden kills him." They're forgetting that Raiden calls out specific flaws in his rhetoric before they go back to fighting.
>>736758484>protag is a cyborg who can't chew his own food and uses a fake jaw to do so, he doesn't even chop up his enemies he uses a SWORD, and he was educated too!You're right anon, everyone's a loser and we have to be pro-welfare because we never made our own milk to drink as babies
>>736772306literally the only reason he got the second term
>>736755502I was genuinely surprised that anybody bought Armstrong's bullshit. His whole speech falls apart the moment you think about what he says and it becomes clear that he is full of it. He prattles on about "inane celebrity bullshit" and people needing to fight while giving you worthless details about his school days while glossing over the important shit that could support his beliefs, like his time in miltary, amongst other things. Even his speech is just The Patriot's monologue, but filled with human passion instead of robotic coldness.ffs Collective Consciousness is literally his theme.
>>736776287>First, he calls him out as being just like every other politician. Armstrong says he's the complete oppositeThat's basically what anon's getting at.At every point of the debate Armstrong is in the right. Raiden is shown to be barking up the wrong tree and then basically resorting to namecalling with a very unauthorative voice in the English version.And then Raiden agrees with him afterwards. The writer is saying Armstrong is right, or even "I believe this and both of my sockpuppets called Armstrong and Raiden are here to prove I'm right".
>>736776548Raiden was making reasonable assumptions based on what he knew about Armstrong. His response works fine, except there was a massive secret conspiracy where Armstrong wants the exact opposite of what he's doing. Raiden then responds to this new information. When he says Armstrong is not greedy, but "batshit insane," he's saying this new information changes how he thinks of Armstrong. It's still negative, though, and he goes into why.
>>736755502Senator Armstrong is a 100% personification of individualism which is one of 3 corners of political triangle. His plan is to make a system that is 100% individualistic so people who lean towards individualism will agree with Armstrong.
Human society was a mistake people will always have differencesWorld peace is a cope and so are utopias they will never exist
>>736776543>Even his speech is just The Patriot's monologueCongratulations on reaching a new low for this thread.
>>736761463>erm, humans aren't actually better than other animals, throwing rocks is cheating
>>736755502I mean, he isn't that wrong.Sure the turning kids into cyborg soldiers, war profiteering, and running a rouge PMC even by MGS standards is abhorrent.But you know, his message of following your path, doing what you think is right, and taking agency over not just the life but the world you live in is a powerful message. If you have the willpower and strength to do what actually needs to be done to fix a problem, why should the law stop you? Laws are not the same thing as morality. We could get so much done if we cut the crap and just fucking did it and asked questions later instead of spending literal decades in deliberation and litigation only to accomplish absolutely God damn nothing. I am not going to pretend like Steven Armstrong did nothing wrong, but I wont lie his character did have a surprisingly big impact on how I view politics and ethics.
>>736755502OP forgot to explain why the weak ruling over the strong is actually good
>>736776839>script:>"Okay so Raiden you accuse Armstrong of something he's not>Then when he reveals you were wrong, you should then weakly say NO U>Finally before the closing curtain you should remember what he said about how you're the better man and proves his strong people get to make the rules speech, then say huh I guess he was right all along, and fight the people he wanted to fight">(You):>"This means Armstrong was wrong"
>>736776872Individualism is inefficient in a modern society, you need to pool resources for any major endeavor and need infrastructure to do even less than that. Armstrong wanted anarchy where he was in charge.
>>736777121The real problem is there are those out there that desire you neglect yourself for their bettermentSo much so that they try to gaslight you about caring about your own well being over othersActually psychic vampire demon shit
>>736768128probably less bots than reddit at this point
>>736770110I mean, dropping a nuclear bomb is not as outrageous as you think.Most nukes are tactical nuclear weapons ranging from 0.5-5kt of tnt (much weaker than what was dropped on Hiroshima). They are not the city wipers we where told to believe.If killing 4 Ayatollahs, drone striking nearly every IRGC leader, wiping out nearly every IRGC base that is on the surface, destroying their entire fleet of F-5s, the bootleg F-5s, F-4s, and F-14s, AND encouraging the Kurds to start an incursion into their north western border isn't enough. Maybe we should start using the nukes.But no. Trump is too much of a fucking pussy. He care about things like muh optics, muh Bibi, muh Raytheon stocks, muh "we only did it for the hecking jews bro". If Trump was actually the based man /pol/ through he was in 2016 he would have dropped tactical nukes on the remaining IRGC bases.And you know what, we should start producing nukes. The US should strive to achieve having at least 10K more tactical nukes than the rest of the world has combined.
>>736755502>make a ridiculous cartoonishly evil parody villain for a video game>that no matter how blatant and in-your-face you are about satirizing political figures, as long as your character is charismatic and speaks with confidence, there will always have hordes of gullible idiots who think they're actually based and redpilled,You're missing the very important context of the entire setting of MGS being a dystopian clusterfuck. Armstrong isn't just a parody, he's presented as a fucked up but legitimate solution to the problems they're all facing. His "I have a dream" speech isn't about real life, its directed towards the world we saw in MGS4.
>>736777331We can talk more about the Jews on /pol/, this is /v/.
>>736776941Well, retard-kun, if you had paid attention you'd realize that his rhetoric and end goal are very close to The Patriot's.People can't filter out the worthless information. They need the strong to guide them. My plan have your interests, not mine, in mind.
Another thing that shows that humanity is too stupid to live is this thread.When we're all in Hell I'm gonna be laughing. You retards thought we had a chance.
>>736755502Wasn't that the case for the last two U.S. presidents anyway
>>736777236>weakly say NO USteven Armstrong: Making the mother of all omelettes here, Jack. Can't fret over every egg.Raiden: Not when you’re “purging the weak," right? What do you know about “the weak”? You weren't born poor. You've never been hungry. You don't know what it's like to fight and steal and kill just to survive...
Armstrong is LITERALLY right as presented by the gameHe is NOT the cause of the worlds problems, he is challenging the WORLD to solve ALL problems that plague both the MGS setting and ALL OF HUMAN HISTORYThe end of the game has Raiden Zandatsu Armstrongs heart as he absorbs Armstrongs ideology into himselfArmstrong is literally painted as right but extreme, Raiden is initially coping with his surface level criticism of Armstrong while at the same time denying others that which made Jack into Raiden, which is why in the credits scene he accepts Armstrongs ideology.Point is, what Armstrong is doing is ideologically bigger than what any MGS protagonist/antagonist was trying to do. Something even the Boss failed at.He's the 'extreme solution' and him being an antagonist and speaking the way he does is 'taunting and challenging' the 'weak' IE anons who are>FINE WITH THE STATUS QUOthose are the 'weak'.By claiming inactivity and inadequacy at Armstrongs speech, you guys are admitting weakness and that you'd be another maggot crawling in the pile, afraid for your own lives but being content with living like shit. By denying Armstrong, you are justifying SOP and the AI speech from MGS2
>>736777491>My plan have your interestsAh, of course. You're ESL.
>>736769817That would apply if MGR was written by an American whod tread those stereotypesBut it was written by a Nihonjin Samurai
>>736777482That's a fair point but I'm more referring to those whose push martyrdom upon others which does fall into that spectrum but I can't help but notice the sheer amount of people who misuse the term "selfish"Like what am I supposed to do starve and neglect myself while I watch those around me make terrible life decisions and then point the finger?Absolute nonsense imo
>>736769993This pic isnt true. Romes good times did not create 'weak men'. The weak men evolved in parallel, in a Middle Eastern shithole which only had known bad times due to being subhuman. The Middle East brought its constant bad times to the west. Good times never made weak men.
>>736755502he IS lowkey kinda right tho
People are swayed by charisma, look at cults.
>>736777718I copy pasted that quote from a transcript of their speech lmaoGet fucked you have no argument.
Street shitting and goat fucking third worlders should be wiped out.
>>736776213You have retarded dipshits in every culture and country out there. Them being solely Germanics won't change anything.
>>736767042No, that retard tried to execute Trump for his country. Trump took a bullet for being insufferable.
>>736771532Raiden was still drinking some kool aid in his final confrontation with Armstrong. Obviously the only scene we see of him talking about his ideals is after that, but Raiden still had that hypocritical 'suffering is selectively justified' mentality as he was applying it to himself, vs Armstrong, vs 'the weak'. Thats why he gets angry at Armstrong and tells him >'you dont know what its like to kill just to survive'its a plot point started with his convo with SamBUTWHEN HE GETS SAMS SWORDHE GOES>I used to think my sword was a tool of justice. not used in anger. Not used in vengance. But now Im not so sure. And besides, this isnt my sword.because he starts to accept Armstrong in part, in that his methods focusing on justifying himself through protecting others is not enough. Which is why Raiden literally Absorbs Armstrong through Zandatsu.Raiden justifies himself through protecting the weak from evil, while Armstrong justifies himself as freeing the strong from the corrupt. Raiden starts out as being a bodyguard for the "Peacekeepers" in Africa and goes to being a lone wolf agent because he thinks he can solve everything alone.This is in part a callback to his MGS2 relation with Rose.
Anon he can be right and retarded at the same time you know?His plan doesn't make sense and there's a lot of hypocrisy behind it but his heart is in the right place when he says "every man will be free to fight his own war"
>>7367722622000: Theres a guy named snake, saving the world from a walking Nuke Launcher. 2010: AI is MKUltraing all of humanity and no one can stop them1960: This whole thing started when Naked Snake got his ideology from the contrived life of his maternal figure 'the Boss'2020: It turns out the whole thing is an ideological clusterfuck of people with crazy ideals wanting to change the world. Hypnosis is involved, mass brainwashing and censorship, genetic engineering and biological warfare. Ends with the AI system based on misunderstood ideology dying, so we go to a 'normal' world but with our tech2030: RULES OF NATURE1980: I am Big Boss.
>>736777875This, pull yourself up from the dirt or sufferNot a soul was put on this earth to placate others
I just think it's funny how Kojima went>"No I didn't write that and didn't have any involvement in it"The first years of the release when everyone hated it, but then did a 180 saying>"Yeah no it all my merit for have written such brilliant characters"When people started loving the game.What a fucking weasel.
>>736777961And his instinct was to stand up and tell the people of his country to fight
>>736755502People love the idea of tearing down to build anew until they realize their shit will get torn down too.
>>736778157Kojima never claimed ownership of MGR. It was a different writer, one from KojiPro who I think is still at Komoney doing absolutely nothinghttps://www.imdb.com/name/nm6363659/
>>736757497>He clearly meant speeches for the public, everything he said just then and there was off the cuff and pure passion. That was the truth.He outright admits his first round was bullshit.
>>736778196That is literally what Armstrong calls out as the 'weak' nigga.
>>736756787I voted for him in 2016 and 2020 only. Me and another coworker were talking about how the Gov should shoot protesters invading a federal building in Portland. I agreed with him and then when Jan 6th happened he was surprised I still had the same stance, like all those fuckers should have been gunned down by the military Tienanmen square style. It's insult that Trump pardoned them.>>736776415I think the only reason he won was his reaction towards the assassination attempt, I have no idea how these leftist retards think killing or attempting to kill self proclaimed Christians will scare other Christians. Like Charlie Kirk was the most tame possible example and when he died it only hurt their agendas. Even though I voted third party at this point I say the country deserves Trump
>>736778070>Ends with the AI system based on misunderstood ideology dying, so we go to a 'normal' world but with our techCivilization is still managed by the AIs, they're just lobotomized.
>>736755502People are naturally attracted to "Us Vs Them" narratives. You see it everywhere, in every facet of society. >Strong vs Weak>Smart vs Stupid>Beautiful vs Ugly>Alpha males vs Beta males>Real fans vs Fake fans>Normies vs IncelsIts an instinct that protected us from predators, and now exists to make us feverishly paranoid about each other. It seems like the only way to feel secure in society is to share a common enemy, to know that there's someone beneath you in whatever belief system you've subscribed to.
>>736778625>>Its an instinct that protected us from predatorsThis is pseudoscience, humans did not evolve like thisthe entirety of what you're spouting is Christian universalist propaganda, an ideal spouted to justify putting everyone under a single Church (especially during colonization or protestantism) even if by force. The actual examples you listed never existed as you describe them, and the tribalism assigned to them by (You) exists only in your head. Seriously give me one example of >Smart vs Stupidtribalism on Earth nigger.t. professional Philosopher
>>736778172Trump has never yet and will never do something *for* you, or our country. He’s exclusively self serving and the only people that follow him who aren't just the retards he sweet talked are parasites like him.So are you a retard or a parasite? The fact that you’re talking about what he’s doing for your benefit probably means retard.
>>736779160Trump serves Israel, not himself
>>736779020nta, and I completely agree that humans did not evolve to be this way. however, i would say that phrenology (the pseudoscience) is an example of Smart vs Stupid tribalism
>>736779251Don’t be stupid. Serving Israel benefits Trump because he has billionaire Jew friends he wants to make nice with. He’s not some Jewish idealist he doesn’t stand for anything. Like I already said everything he does is self serving
>>736779020Are you joking? That happens all the fucking time. Usually not as the premiere factor but there’s political squabbles absolutely everywhere that are, in their own camps, segregated into hard working laborers (redneck retards) and educated humanitarians (bourgeois nerd pussies)
>>736779160He pisses you off, and that's good enough for me
>>736779547You’ve never met me so that’s obviously not true, and yet to do like him. so again, parasite or gullible retard.
>>736773757Yep. Remember that comedy about modern-day Hitler? People actually shared webms from it saying "he's right you know". Having a voting system where everyone can vote is insanity. The longer we deny it, the more chances there are that subhumans simply wipe us out while we busy LARPing.
>>736777637This anon is an actual thinker. People hear the weak must be purged and instantly jump to conclusions. No, he's not talking about literal strength. He's talking about those parasites in American society that flourish from its degradation, including the system of government itself. The individual is nothing more than a cog the country's machine, serving that which was supposed to serve the individual. He's anti-collectivist, anti-big government, and pro-purpose.He wants people to be truly free, not having their destinies decided by the weak who have never truly experienced the tribulations of life.
>>736778480Just do the world a favour and go die for Israel and your beloved kike puppet.
>>736779662You're on a videogame forum at 3am seething about him and responding to posts that are hours old just to do it. Angry, impotent thoughts about him plague your mind and control your actions
>>736769676Oh so he fucked around on a boat while having lots of gay sex. Such a soldier. The navy is where you go when you want to be "in the army" but avoid actual combat.
>>736779980>The navy is where you go when you want to be "in the army" but avoid actual combat.That's the Air Force.
>>736779946You’re talking a lot about me and I wonder if it’s because you know I’m right
>>736779251>I don't understand why people serve Israelthe post.
>>736780024Your entire reason for starting this conversation was to call me as well as the majority of Americans (he won the popular vote) parasites or retards. You did so because you know that I'M right, and because your existence is too ineffectual to enact the change that you want so you vent your anger by berating the people who are getting what they want
>>736755502Wasn't he literally written in the plot of the game at the last mintue?
>>736780163Anon, you're not getting anything you wanted either, because he hasn’t delivered on any of the things he’s promised and things have become worse for everyone except for him. You have to settle for my being upset as some conciliatory win because it distracts from the fact that he and the parasites played you, and the popular vote, for a fucking idiot.
>>736780318No I just said that to make fun of you, I'm absolutely getting what I voted for. Lower gas, lower rent. I watched a bunch of illegals flee a fast food place because I put in a tip on an ICE watch app. This shit is great, and it's only gonna get better
>>736758484You pigshit retarded zoomerito faggot who didn't play the game and doesn't even know the fucking memes, he played college football at Texas and went into the Navy instead of going pro, and showed up to fight Jack (the game is BEATING YOU OVER THE HEAD with the fact that Armstrong was right about everything) himself when he really didn't need to do that. There is absolutely nothing about having "a nice upbringing" or whatever dipshit cope you invented to make yourself feel better about being a third world shitmonkey. And even if he did, he would then be akin to the kind of Prussian Officer that has been rightly roflstomping you subhuman cretins for both justice and fun for centuries. Armstrong is basically George Washington trapped in Clown World.
>the Patriots were exposed and gone (just ignore all that nonsense from MGS3 and 4 the point is the Patriot is gone) >What Solidus was hoping for: freedom, opportunity, civil Right, citizen engagement - none of them happen and things carried on as if patriots still exist. >things get more even barbaric as The Patriots were also acting as a limiter on things and that limiter is now gone too. You can't really complain Armstrong's action considering things after the Patriots only gotten worst. And I doubt only he is doing the whole child soldiers thing. You can be against his method, but you can't really be against his goal considering the state of the world presented in the game.
>>736755502As parodies go Armstrong is so good most Americans would vote for him in real lifeHe wouldnt we worse than the current option
>>736780318I actually have my Got What I Voted For Award in the top shelf of my dresser. Might have to get another, since the construction crew that built my shitty gov housing townhome all got deported.
>>736773482No, retard, he'd stage some false flag against Israel as an excuse to drive military recruitment to kill all of the kikes subverting the American government.
>>736779480"Us vs Them" is the implication that conflict between groups is led forward by an arbitrary neurochemical pursuit of division for the sake of identification. This is not really true, the internets vast amount of people with different backgrounds and viewpoints correlating into different spaces convinced people it is true, when in reality it's just a 'cognitive illusion' as it logically implies ALL conflict will eventually resemble the Us vs Them visual example.In reality, the ideology of Universalism behind this mentality is one of identity and rationale imperialism, not some superior tolerance for nuance. Growth stems from understanding complexities and nuances, not denying them for 'logical coverage'.
>>736779980Then who are the Navy Seals?
>>736756787Yeah the last president on the other side was a senile old retard and the person against him was a pajeet it was literally never going to go any different
>>736757583I wonder why I'm 2026 when information is freely available people keep parroting made up stuff that anyone with a functioning brain will know is false. You don't need to prostrate for your fellow lefties here because no one can see who you are so maybe think about that next time you're doing your weird little dogwhistle of verifiable false bullshit
>>736757334>except dismantle the governmentand that is why he is correct.
>>736758484Why even type if you are just going to be wrong
>>736780712>a senile old retard got replaced by a senile old retardIs this what winning feels?
>>736780640Well I don’t believe in phrenology so I don’t think it’s a neurochemical impulse just a psychological one, but that’s not what I said. You said there’s no such thing as smart vs dumb tribalism and I think that’s patently untrue. You can argue it’s a pointless abstraction of more nuanced disagreements but I would argue your thesis is itself a pointless abstraction. Tribalism is a perfectly sound way to categorize ideological friction.
>>736780907Doing an honest non biased comparison of the two would be a good start
>>736758484You are a moron running with your own headcanon that reinforces your own political beliefs.In his meme speech, he states he joined the Navy. You fucking clown.
>>736780970The honest comparison would be that both ruling parties are compromised by the sionist lobby and hence America (and by extension the World) is fucked no matter what
>>736780968I wasn't replying to you lolbut >I would argue your thesis is itself a pointless abstractionYou are dimsissing contradictions as superficial to claim your own as superior while not realizing yours is just a categorization. It does nothing and offers no insight, other than stating that it is true 'as is' while also 'not doing anything' aka not actually having anything to defend other than it's premise, which is based on false notions as its a metacategory.You see, this fake 'us vs them' category is itself one of the many philosophies saying it categorizes many other categories, and ergo is superior to them, while having no intrinsic nature of its own. This is paradoxical, as the category should have some nature to provide a behavior, context or function to the truth of the category, representing the observation its making. Yet, US vs THEM covers ALL human behavior, claiming to describe every conflict, disagreement and issue on such a simple premise - except it doesn't do that, it dismisses the issues to claim an intellectual position serving an ulterior motive (something akin to NWO tier Universalism) without iterating anyone within the system to understand, analyze or describe any position, essentially seeking to not just describe but REPLACE every intellectual faculty in the groups it thinks its covering.But as it lacks this 'wisdom', the statement can only lean on increasingly comparative and categorizing statements, in hopes that it, as a hollow meta-category can 'steal' meaning from other categories while it itself remaining unassailable (mainly due to its hope to avoid critique). Essentially, the "US vs THEM" rhetoric wants to be God, the same way the Christian Jesus wants to be God.Its a sort of informal fallacy.
>>736781209I think I understand your point but this is a battle over semantics you’ve already lost in the collective consciousness. To say “us vs them describes everything” is true, and yes that robs it of functional academic use but the same pointless discussion could open up if I asked “what is art?” and in the end the quantitative substance of art as a cultural staple will remain unchanged. Tribalism means what it means, regardless of its values or origins. It’s a catch all phrase and that’s completely fine. What would “god” be in your analogy if not hundreds of nuanced case specific different terms? Not pithy enough.
>>736781671>>I think I understand your point but this is a battle over semantics you’ve already lost in the collective consciousnessIsn't that just supporting Armstrongs point even further
>>736781085>and hence America (and by extension the World) is fucked no matter whatYes, but that's the point. That's literally the point of our entire existence: to permanently ruin the world. We will transform the world into a massive torture chamber. Billions of people will be tortured forever, for no reason except "Because." A small minority of rich, powerful, sociopathic sadists will live in utter luxury as everyone else suffers. All of humanity's potential will be destroyed just so a small group of sadistic narcissists can feed their egos and hunger for endless cruelty for cruelty's sake. And all of this is for one very simple goal: so Lord Moloch, the insane demon god who hates everything good, can watch as the ultimate triumph of evil is brought about, and then He will laugh, and laugh, and laugh, and laugh, and laugh. He will laugh for all eternity.
>>736755502armstrong's philosophy makes quite a lot of sense (i.e. do not die for the likes of israel, live for yourself), but a world where every man is out for himself and might makes right will never prosper. we have laws for a reason>>736756787he's isreal's lapdog
>>736781885I think you give humans way too fucking much credit. We’re not atypically amoral compared to anything else on the planet, we’re just better at it. A deer with comparable faculties wouldn’t be faring a better. In fact, I think the tiny amounts of kindness we’ve eked out against our circumstances and our programming are beautiful and inspiring. That said, I agree we’re fucking in the long term.
>>736781982Fucked*
>>736781982We need to be openly immoral, not amoral. We need to intentionally kill everything good in ourselves so we can become as evil and soulless as our almighty Lord and Master Moloch. Goodness offends Him like a powerful stench and therefore must be stamped out wherever it is found.
>>736757661Shut up kikel
>>736757876Those were brown kids, Armstrong did nothing wrong.
>>736782028I hope you’re trolling because you’re cooked if you believe that. I know it’s scarier to think no one has control over the nosedive, that it’s orchestrated but it’s not. This is how we are and alway have been.
>>736780712>Yeah the last president on the other side was a senile old retardbruv... that's your boy tho
>>736781671>>736781904YOURE JUST ANOTHER MAGGOT, CRAWLING IN THE PILE
>>736782152This is how we're meant to be. We're meant to be violent, sadistic, narcissistic monsters who commit evil deeds for their own sake. That is what Lord Moloch wants to see, He wants us to watch us sacrifice ourselves on the altar of pointless evil so He can laugh at it. The evil is the point in and of itself. He wants evil to always win. He wants everything good to be destroyed. He created humanity for the sole purpose of punishing us for being created by torturing us forever. Torture is the true meaning of life and the ultimate expression of power.
>>736782257*He wants to watch us
>>736782257There is no “meant to be”
>>736782305Yes there is. Lord Moloch's will is to create a world of pure evil so He will never be offended by the existence of anything good ever again. His ultimate goal is to destroy everything and everyone that is not Himself out of sheer spite, and once He has inevitably reached that goal, once evil has finally won for keeps, His laughter will echo throughout the empty void for all eternity. There is no sound more beautiful than Lord Moloch's mad, mindless, howling laughter.
>>736782403It’s pretty clear you’re trolling at this point but it is pretty funny to think that someone’s DnD campaign got chewed up and spit out by conspiracy theorists and now people say shit like this.
>>736782468Look at the world we live in and tell me what makes more sense: a kind, forgiving, merciful god who loves us and wants us to be happy, or an insane, malicious, spiteful god who hates us and wants us to be miserable? Lord Moloch is the god that humanity really wanted all along, you see. Humans do not want a god that expects them to be good and kind. They want a god who actively encourages them to give in to their worst traits, but ultimately doesn't care if humans are good or bad because He'll torture them forever either way. They want a god who will destroy everyone they despise, even if He destroys His own followers too. They want a god who embodies everything that humanity really stands for: cruelty, greed, spite, hatred, insanity, malice, and sadism. They want Lord Moloch. They need Him. They need an ultimate force of evil to be responsible for all of the world's ills. Why not give them exactly what they want?
>Moshe needs to play reductio ad absurdum to try to derange the topic
>>736782581The universe doesn’t revolve around human feelings, that a self centered perspective. Life and death and entropy and circumstance affect everything, not just unlucky few living creatures who can comprehend it. It’s been this way for a billion years before we showed up and it’ll keep going when we’re gone. If there is a god he’s indifferent, not spiteful.
>>736782735Answer my question: does a kind and loving god make more sense in this world than a hateful and malicious one?
>>736782812>The universe doesn’t revolve around human feelingsYes, it revolves around Lord Moloch's feelings. We're nothing more than playthings for Him to torture whenever He pleases.
>>736782850You’re not important enough to be gods plaything
>>736782927We're all unimportant. We exist only to suffer.
>>736777121Legislation is obstructive because retards. Retards Exist. If a system doesn't take that into account it will fail by retards. It's my personal experience that a contract keeps the devil at bay and unwritten rules are not rules, we're on /v/ so look at the videogame industry and how it repeatedly broke the deal with more and more aggressive monetization because "buying the game means i get the game's content" was an understood agreement between devs and players. It should have been written down on a paper: Game Companies Cannot Charge Extra.A governance system is like any other system like a complex car engine. It binds forces and directs them to achieve the drivers' purpose of going somewhere. Legislative powers and the corpus of law make up the physicality of this system, of course it restricts the free flow of fuel (human effort) otherwise it would be engine explosion because human effort is flammable. Engines and Governments accumulate grime, soot, corruption and require a design, this universal breakdown of order is apparently inevitable, a design needs to function with an acceptable amount of corruption inside of it: laws keep the devil at bay.I hear you type about the people who use the rules and bureaucracy for purposes you don't like and i write back "acceptable amount of corruption" but also "bad design". Our modern governments are clearly in need of maintenance, their parts needs replacement and thankfully they are generally designed to be updated from the inside by law, by their constitutions.Call the engineers, pay them, watch them work and them let them out. Don't let retards sink the boat with their awesome idea that we'd reach port faster if we learned to become fishes.
>>736782951No, you don’t exist *for* anything. Assuming your grief is the intentional interference of some cosmic entity is vanity. Your suffering, human suffering, means nothing to anyone but us.
>>736767042a real shame that it missed (and was fake anyway)
>>736755502>America is too brainrotted so we should kill everyone who can't fight back, that'll make our country a better place to liveIf you actually buy into this shit, you are the kind of retard Armstrong wants dead.
trump won, trannies queers and degenerates seething
>>736759437
Armstrong wanted to turn America into a nu-wild west: anarchy flavored, which would create a bunch of Raidens, badasses who are pro at killing and live by their own rules. Raiden hates himself and doesnt want anyone to be like him.Thats all the last fight was about, people who think Armstrong wanted to rule are retarded and people who think Raiden isnt going to try to change the system inspired by Armstrong are also retarded, the difference between the two is that that the former used the system and all the fucked up shit it provides (like the child soldiers and falseflag wars) to try to destroy it from within, while the latter clearly wont and will find another way, whether its Sam style trying to just cut the hydra's heads or going Bigboss mode and getting some nukes its unclear and we will never know since no sequel )which is a good thing).
>>736777121That's not even Armstrong's message. That's what Raiden embraces long before he confronts him.
>>736780318Appointed supreme court justices and preventing some pozzed dem from doing it is enough for me. Excising all the DEI departments and funding was the cherry on top. I didn't really expect anything else after that.
>>736767784Yeah, he was happy as fuck when he thought Raiden understood him, decent dude.
>>736783062I think history has shown that there’s a natural life cycle to systems of control and death from within is inevitable. Nothing can withstand human ingenuity to get over on his fellow man forever. Pro skub takes over, gets rotten, anti skub takes over from them and in time does the exact same job of it. Which is to say the specific ethical or ideological framework really doesn’t matter so much as the fact that it’s novel, because “surely it’s better than the old thing.” Anyways all that to agree with you. That inevitable cycle, rife with corruption, is way better than anarchy a you’d have to be sheltered or retarded to think otherwise.
>>736783062>Our modern governments are clearly in need of maintenance, their parts needs replacement and thankfully they are generally designed to be updated from the inside by law, by their constitutions.>and thankfully they are generally designed to be updated from the inside by law, by their constitutions.That part right there is where many people will diverge in opinionsSome believe as you say, that you can fix it with whats there, while others have COMPLETELY lost faith in the system as is, aka the failsafes have either ironically also failed or are compromised to the point that we need a new system or a "cleaning" beyond what is possible within the rules.Think of how many people are left who believe voting fucking matters, and then think how every government, in the world, left and right, decided to pass internet id laws simultaneously, and are going by smoothly from both sides, despite the population being very much against it.
>>736783218Treump n'a pas la responsabilité.
Hylics do not have metacognition. They think appearance is realityYou can tell them to eat literal dog shit in a friendly and hype way and some of them might actually do it
>>736783076You said it yourself. "I know it’s scarier to think no one has control over the nosedive." That's why humanity needs Lord Moloch.
>>736783671>You can tell them to eat literal dog shit in a friendly and hype way and some of them might actually do itOr you can tell them to drink bleach, which unlike dogshit will actually kill them, and they'll still do it.
>>736783413Is it a matter of new or old? New systems are notoriously non functional or buggy, remember the history of revolutions, they establish worse governments and a nation ends up going back to the old system. Every god damn time. If i wished to control the government yet i'm not currently in power, where would i be? With the rebels poised to topple the government it's the perfect spot for me. Constitutional monarchy killed the old warring kings, constitutional republic killed the god-emperors. Want to kill the mad industrialists? Write down rules preventing them from delocating and yoke them hard because that works. For now a private enterprise is not allowed to entertain an army, only "personal security" and that is because laws don't clearly stipulate the missions Security can perform.Can you tell i'm from a european country, lmao. But i'm right.
>>736755502Well done.
>>736758850He looks like AVGN here.
>>736755502>copying a viral post word for word and using the same picture Kill yourself you spamming faggot
>>736767175And then Raiden fights for other people because it's fun.
>>736755502>all they have to do is acknowledge basic issues like "society is LE BAD" while providing any ridiculous solution or, none at all.More than most politicians who just bullshit to your face about how great everything is while you're having a hard time.
>>736783484Back to my boat metaphor then. Drilling holes in the hull does not help the crew no matter how evil the captain and his mates are.People in my country don't vote either, we're at around 60% abstention in the most active elections therefore this system's chugging and i think it's an engineering problem. Not a political or even a moral problem.By the way your surprise at seeing governments organize with one another is strange to me. Would you prefer they don't? On a matter as global as the internet? I think the internet became SUCK. I want to control it and not it controlling me or else i want to leave the internet.
>>736784646It's just a copypasta.
>>736785580>i want to control it and not it controlling meInevitable when a social component is involved as we control and influence each other all the time. It's what a human bond is you autismo.
>>736755502Archie Bunker effectthe left sucks at satirizing their opposing side and ends up creating characters that are more appealing than the "good" guys
Abolishing society is a retarded idea because civilization is a dominant strategy so a new one will arise and kill/enslave the retarded anarchists, who cannot co-operate without forsaking their ideology
>>736786128The entire point of MGR:R is that superior individuals have achieved such an unreasonable cost and potency that they cannot be overcome by any amount of lesser numbers. Raiden is literally invincible as far as the game is concerned, only a trillion dollar nanomachine battle system owned by one of the richest men on the planet actually managed to overcome him, and even then, not when he got a legendary billion-dollar vibro katana.There is no amount of cooperation that could overcome Raiden. He can solo the rest of the planet.
>>736786049They made them appealing on purpose to show an appealing character can hide some dark plots.
>>736786049By the way satirizing your opponent is a jewish tactic so you seeing the subject from that angle really tells it all.
>>736786049>the left sucks at satirizing their opposing side and ends up creating characters that are more appealing than the "good" guysCharming populist and genocidal tyrant goes hand in hand, you don't rise to power without appealing to the masses first. Even to this day you have chinese defending Mao even though his regime lead to the death of millions
>>736786731Second worlders don't care about the death of their fellow man, or their lack of individual liberty. They see it as a sign of strength. You don't understand them at all. They like Mao because he was a tyrant and because he killed so many people. Go listen to Russians brag about how they lose entire generations of men when they go to war due to military incompetence, or Chinese brag about having to work 72 hours a week with the wage being their rent.
he's lowkey kinda right though
>>736779905Which sad that American will mindlessly back zionist terrorists and provoked Iran twice
I can't say if Armstrong is right or wrong before I hear his take on our greatest ally, that's what matters.If you don't defend Judeo-Christian values, you're no real American politician.
>>736787375>Judeo-Christiangood goy
>>736787412I light up the fire for my Jewish friends when they can't, I'm proud to help the gods chosen people. You leftist retards wouldn't understand this sort of cultural unity.
>>736782056One may call him a scoundrel, parasite, swindler, profiteer, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a Jew and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “I’ve been found out.”
>>736761024What he meant was that he genuinely believed that going to a state college and playing sportsball rather than going to a prim Ivy League institution qualified as a Rough Background on par with Raiden... being a literal fucking child soldier in Liberia.
>>736775747>Imagine fighting like a team of four-five jewish enemies throughout the game.we already fought the patriots
>>736787753Well now, you can't expect every politician to be a survivor of a centipede-in-jar masochist bdsm ritual.
>>736784646that's all of /v/ now, just Grok and other third-world userbase AI's scraping twitter and youtube and posting threads. It's why banning them does nothing.
>>736786383 so why do they never make characters on "their" side appealing far cry is a great example, in far cry 4 pagan min is very reasonable and asks you to wait for him, and if you do you beat the game without anybody dying and he gives you a life of luxury. If you leave, you kill a dude on the way out, join LE RESISTANCE which is comprised of whiney, unlikable characters exclusively, burn down Pagan Min's home and ultimately kill him. They could just write their side as appealing then the other side as slightly more appealing but flawed due to the evil lying beneath. And no, I'm not a right winger. I'm just criticising something polluting modern writing, they always make the "good guys" insufferable cunts. Going back to MGS, Snake worked because he was an asshole and kind of aloof, but ultimately had enough sense of right and wrong to say "I'm going to do my best to stop nuclear annihilation because nobody deserves that".
>>736787834No but we generally expect them to not go full retard with the 'might makes right bro' shit where they pretend that everyone has a fair chance at power while personally sinking billions of dollars into making themselves unstoppable monsters backed by mercenary armies.
>>736787989I actually PLAYED Far Cry 4. Pagan Min deserved that bullet. The guy was genuinely psychotic, if not outright genocidal.
>>736788023So it's only right if someone that has no chance of making it makes it?Even Raiden was coddled by the system, it gave him a job, training...Clearly the right might-makes-right advocate would be a paraplegic ugly fuck downie retard.
>>736757498Armstrong wouldn't have hated Hitler, but he would've engaged in a fistfight with him.
>>736788060And yet he was more likeable than the people you're supposed to root for, which is a failing of the writers. I don't know how they fucked that up either, your friends in Far Cry 3 are all decent if a bit whiny people and you do feel empathy for them being in a fucked up situation.In FC4 I was just praying for a "fuck you, kill each other" option.
>>736774538Armstrong wasn't ending war as a business you stupid cuntHoly shit how gullible can one person beYou shouldn't be allowed to vote
>>736788114Yes according to your headcanon everything he said is both a lie and a truth.
>>736769993Sure, chuds were needed in the army. But the brains behind good times? Meek and gentle patriarchs with just a subtle hint of feminine influence.
>>736788169Anon you would believe literally anything anyone said wouldn't youI could be drilling into a baby's skull with a hundred babies in a line and if I shouted "I'M ENDING BABY SKULL DRILLING" you'd go "wow what an honest and true belief!"You should be kept away from sharp objects
>>736788112>MGR if Raiden actually grew up with hardship and didnt have his career pre-set for him as a Snake replacement
>>736767679>676767G-GUYS LOOK IT'S THE MEME
>>736788293Only if you say "The truth then" right before it, dumbass.
>>736756787Migabros...
>>736787989>>736786383This retarded line of logic was answered near the start of the thread: >>736773757Why are you all here if you won't even read the threads you're posting in?
>>736788343Oh yeah, of course, you can't talk shit after claiming you'll speak the truth! How silly of me!I could drown you by putting a scratch n sniff at the bottom of a pool
>>736788405>near the start of the threadwe're not all unemployed and reading 339 different posts, Paco.
You do realize that at the time of the game, his company isn't even the only one? In fact, it's only one of the big dogs. Even Raidens firm is a PMC with an ESG twist.The whole child soldier thing is very much sponsored by the government, they pay for military contracts. There's a reason the fucking HQ is out in the open and they even work as the local police. The whole war as a business is so entrenched that it really takes a monumental change to dislodge it, and Raidens only answer is to go on a solo rampage which will most likely result in countless casualties regardless. The ending is supposed to be bittersweet, as he arrives at the same conclusion as Armstrong.
>>736788574>Fell for it again award So many winners today
>>736788456So, if Raiden believes him, Sam believes him, the other employees believe him and the codec fellas believe him, what's the proof that he's lying?Or is he just that good at lying that even when he's dying he's sticking to his lie, for no gain at that point? Now that takes character!
>>736788636We have this exact same thread every year too since the release of the game, and it's always the same posts.At this point it's ritualistic. It's a kindness to fall for it.
>>736788639>If they all believe himLiterally none of them doYou're retarded>WHERE'S DA PROOFbesides the parts of his speech that contradict the other parts of his speech? Everything he does.Armstrong is a lunatic that wants all the barriers between him and ultimate power dissolved and he doesn't give a shit what he has to say to get there. You're a fucking moron if you buy his "no more war as a business" line. War as a business is literally all he wants to do.You fell for it. Because you're stupid. And then you dug in. Because you're stupid.Gee if only there were some recent American politician that easily stands in for Armstrong...
>>736788740It just convinces me further that this blind spot in psychology can't be fixed. We're fucked as a species.
>>736788574To continue along these lines, it's explicitly shown that the whole >Well, you're using child soldiers! Shtick doesn't stick for long, as the actual non-child soldiers are completely manipulated as well. They're deprived of their feelings and sent to be slaughtered by Raiden who uses his own sense of justice to rationalize slaughtering them.Innocent people are going to die regardless of what choice he makes or what path he takes. It's a horrible predicament and it's hard to argue for a right or wrong answer. It is also against the theming of the game and completely disgenuine to say that Armstrong is just a normal in-the-system faggot, as that undermines the characters and the story for no other reason except >Other side bad
>>736788907So Sam follows Armstrong because he doesn't believe him? Raiden follows his line of thinking because he thinks it's a lie, and Mistral falls for him because he's so damn good at lying?Glad to know our beloved characters are all just stupid stupid stupid idiots too.You do realize that Raiden also wants the ultimate power, right?
>>736788957AnonWho hired those soldiers and pumped them full of nanomachines>B-but he said he would stop!Dumbass.
>>736789064>Anon thinks Sam believes in Armstrong and that Raiden wants neofeudalismHoly shitWe're done here
>>736789079So if Armstrong wasn't working with the PMC, there'd be no war economy? Sure.>>736789130You do understand that believing in someone and wanting the same thing are different things, right? Besides, if he's lying, it's not like Armstrong actually wants neofeudalism, right?
The people who are swayed by Armstrong's charm are exactly the kind of people who will go and sign up and die for Israel. This is why Larry Fink admitted that ESG was a "failed experiment". They realized they pushed demoralization too far, they need demoralized men so they're easy to control, but not so demoralized they're not willing to die for corporate interest.Now that America's empire is in heavy decline you'll see more and more propaganda promoting masculinity and "warrior mentality". Feminism is also taking a pivot back to how men should be providers again. Glowniggers really control every aspect of your life.
>>736789609When I saw that they were staging a false-flag attack to possibly start another huge war to enhance war profiteering, I thought:>Wow, I need to sign the fuck up right now.
>>736755502Welcome to real life. Normalfags follow those with confidence, charisma, and an air of authority. You can be literally undeniably objectively correct with nobody being capable of arguing an opposing point with you because of how tungsten-clad your arguments are, and if people don't personally like you - they will skip right to turning you into a pariah or outright killing you, without so much as actually giving your words a consideration.
>>736789609The DEI shit was basically alechmecial fire applied to civilization, the Solve et Coagula. They destroy until it reaches a total breaking point and then build it up into something new. Its the same thing as the military training soldiers by destroying their old personality through abuse.
>>736778480>choosing the government over the peopleYou and your coworker are both trans in spirit.
>>736790084Good point but I need to know if you're handsome before I fully agree with it.
>>736755502>YEAH! I want my neighbors to roam around killing my family to take what's theirs! Right of the strong! He's right that the media and politicians are shit, so clearly, his solution - to turn this country into a warzone ruined by warlords who take whatever they want - that's the solution to society's problems right now!The world we live in right now sucks. The solution isn't to burn it all down and replace it with something that's way worse.
>>736788929The only blind spot in psychology itt is the blind spot of people who think care/harm is the only legitimate axis of morality. They don't understand that there are multiple axes of morality which appeal to different people, so they reduce all other moral arguments down to populism or fascism. We will never achieve tkd until we learn to speak to each other.
>>736790168I'm not. I'm also a manlet and have the voice of a middle school chess club member.
>>736773757>Muh fascists, muh retro hipster movie from (((Mel Brooks)))>>736774226>Read a fucking book.(in 2026)>>736774493>ur dum>>736774525>TDS>Last logged in his 4chan account:2009and ive should have stayed the fuck away from this place. how the fuck are there this many redditors here?
>>736790692>the producers>"retro hipster"You're brown.
>>736790517>ackshually morality is an objective thing that has measurable axesYou go on the fire.
>>736782056Truth hurts?
>>736789609As long as things are less gay than they are now.
>>736790874You reflexively default to physical harm because that is your moral compass telling you what is most important.
>>736784389WHAT WERE THEY THINKING!!?
>>736790168if this is a jab at his logic, it's a weak one. He's referring to the general population and normalfags, not us here at neurodivergence HQ
>>736756787Americans being dumb?
>>736788112Sorry to sound like a woke faggot but why would the beneficiaries of capitalism ever have a reason to depict the revolution as a good or smart choice? Liberals are bought out and the 4th estate as proven by gamergate are complicit in the state/corporations actions.
>>736790084>not being a retarded stuttering sperg will make your position seem more valid
>>736788112>>736791410To annoying writers their annoying characters ARE appealing. They aren't trying to write unlikable characters. All they know is writing a sock puppet and they themselves are unlikable to you, the audience
>muh might is right is the only law all ideologies are fake copes>loses in a fighta big hearty kwabooty every time this happens, in games, movies and real life
>>736759437>>736783237Just found out the guy goes into the house and lucky enough that he wasn't shot.
>>736755502You didn't understand this character's point.
Seriously, where do these reddit tranny threads come from? Is it them thinking they are getting revenge? They should be worrying about their catering approval and heavy amounts of debt. Also their infighting, they could even lose the California governor race this year.
>>736792023*crateringThese guys are going to Hell
>>736790907>I will accept the solution of the people who created the problem in the first placeNo, the only winning move is not to play their game. (as far as one is able)
>>736791410Ahh yes, the fourth estate: hobby press
>>736791730except that he accepted that Raiden was better when he lost.
>>736792378Low IQ "people" only see things through win and lose and izzat. They can't understand that someone could lose and it still prove their ideology correct.
>>736792542Yeah
protip: when a leftist blames "capitalism", replace it with kikes and it will make much more sense
>>736755502Seething that your side of the aisle can't figure out how to make people charismatic?
>>736778070>2020: It turns out the whole thing is an ideological clusterfuck of people with crazy ideals wanting to change the world. Hypnosis is involved, mass brainwashing and censorship, genetic engineering and biological warfare. Ends with the AI system based on misunderstood ideology dying, so we go to a 'normal' world but with our tech>2030: RULES OF NATUREYou're confused, this should be 2014 and 2018
>>736780775While I don't support misinformation, and Trump probably isn't a pedophile rapist, it's very funny to see right wing SJWs calling foul on people making fun of him for being BFFs with the most notorious pedo rapist of all time after they happily asserted that Obama was from Uganda and Biden had a fetish for little girl hair.
>>736755502>you can't like him because... you just can't okay??
>>736758850always thought it's a wasted potential that they didn't add credits roll when they hug to be interrupted a few seconds later by>you're batshit insane
>>736795549Enough millennial fourth wall "humour"
>>736786049In Jack's case I feel like it's more about people agreeing that the desolate planet populated mostly by escaped slave labor convicts, monsters who could wipe civilizations, and people who've gone insane needs the nuclear option more than actually agreeing with his ideals.
>>736758637It's better than the current status quo in yurope where nigs arabs and others migrants can kill and rape anyone and not get anything or get 1 year in jail where they play ps3 but you can't defend yourself or get revenge
Unlike most politicians, at least armstrong wasnt a hypocrite. He believed in survival of the fittest, and was in fact happy to die to a stronger opponent.
>>736779730He's imagining physical strength. This is part of wanting people to fight their own wars. If your neighbor wants to take your food, he can declare war on you and beat the shit out of you and claim your possessions as the spoils of war. Raiden correctly points out that someone who has been starving their entire life has a disadvantage in a fight against someone who can just buy weapons.
>>736792902>protip: when a leftist blames "capitalism", replace it with kikes and it will make much more senseAnd when a right winger blames "communism"....
>>736761712AIPAC is not the criminal masterminds you think they areA few wars poorly declared and lost and you destroy the military. Even if with america its theoretically possible.
>>736796513No he wasn't. Armstrong wasn't going around beating up toddlers, that was Sundowners shtick. "Weak" implied people like bureaucrats or lawyers who push the status quo because they'd be gone without it, who are supported by the 'masses' dependent on the systems rotted milk. It's a real talking point IRL too, the notion that 'people need governing authority not to kill their neighbour' is a made up, recent notion to justify increased authority and control of centralized government that is not backed by history. Armstrong is saying the system stifles people who want to make change and actually do shit, so the system can maintain control, which is exactly what the patriots did in MGS2, explicitly saying it, and the MGRR setting is a continuation of the Patriots 'world'.
Isreal is currently genociding Lebannon because Iran can't counter attack them. Like right now, as of a few hours ago.
>>736755502Isn't this guy just a shitty solidus- wait, hold on a second, isn't this an old post?
>>736791403>4chan now pretending they didn't shill trump for years to own the libs
>>736799719Shilling for trump was a joke, troll on normies and politics. Not our faulr americanos are retards who actually believed mafia affiliated rich kid casino billionaire is a warrior for working class whites.
>>736799967>>736799719Bootlickers are still seething that Trump won and the media was wrong
>>736795331NTA but he's not friends with Epstein, that's the thing. Trump's name is in the Epstein files so many times because him and his peers were all seething about Trump 24/7 like you see so many other people do. Trump was literally the only person to call him out on any kind of bullshit and Epstein hated him for it, that's why he was begging for pictures of Trump sucking dick so he could blackmail him
