>Return to the bottom ironclad>...Not yet
GO TO THE BATHROOM
"BRIDGES could be here" he thought, "I've never been in this seed before. There could be BRIDGES anywhere." The block he got from Parry felt good against his star-shaped head. "I HATE BRIDGES" he thought. Waterfall Giant's boss theme reverberated his entire throne, making his minions pulsate even as the 40 gold Star Potion circulated through his powerful thick deck and washed away his (merited) fear of suspensions in the Spire. "With a Sovereign Blade, you can kill any boss in one hit" he said to himself, out loud.
>>736758071
OUR HEROES....and necroboring.
>>736758216Silent is even more boring due to being as OP as the watcher
>>736758216at least necro is not a negro
>>736758305>as OP as the watcherno
>>736758387people already have 80%+ winrate with her, keep in mind it still took some time before people had 95% winrate with watcher
>>736758305Silent is not as OP currently as watcher was.>>736758441So 95% with watcher beating act 4 heart with the sacrifices necessary to get to and succeed in act 4, instead of 80% silent with no act 4. If act 4 wasn't a thing people would probably be close to 100% with watcher because a block plan for at least 1 cycle of the heart was one of the more challenging things about the character.
>>736758556To be honest silent is actually higher than 80% for top players (xecnar claims she "should never lose a run no matter what") and the game has only been out for a month or so, while spire 1 watcher has been out for years. yeah I'm thinking silent is MORE broken if anything
>>736757963
>>736758730Spire 1 watcher also needs to deal with act 4, the one act where you can't just solve all your problems in a single turn cycle like she would prefer to do. When act 4 happens and we get an idea what the architect is like then you can at least start saying that EA silent is more OP but it's fucking stupid to comment on it now because the game currently lacks the most challenging act.
>>736758796I'm just not gonna do it... yet
>>736758828It doesn't matter because lategame silent is so incredibly overpowered that the act 4 boss would have to be significantly stronger than the heart to even slightly challenge her, and i don't see that happening frankly
I CAN SMELL YOU FROM HERE
>>736758897You don't see it at all because it hasn't happened yet, so stop talking out of your ass. Architect could counter card draw and discard hard, in fact it's probably more likely since it's such a strong archetype for the strongest character in spire 2 currently. But I don't know just like you don't know just like the devs likely don't know yet as they monkey around with things.
>>736759048holy seethe
>>736759081It's just a dumb comparison. If you want to actually compare things then compare StS2 silent to 1's watcher without needing to worry about act 4 or heart. Then watcher is better obviously.
>>736758730people have been playing slay the spire for years now. slay the spire 2 is different but not that different, the top players got it immediately after mastering sts1>>736758897you don't see it based on what? act 4 doesn't exist yet and the game has only been receiving balancing for a couple of weeks. What's the point of your dooming faggotry? what do you hope to achieve with your posts? what message are you trying to convey?
I'm never taking big mushroom again unless not doing so will kill me.
>>736759203>>736758071If I was less shit at art I'd be making this with the minions pumping the gas for him. Eventually.
>>736759187seems like i hit a nerve lmao
My headcanon is that the architect is the watcher No I don’t actually care about lore so don’t reply to me citing it
>3 mediocre A10 necrobidner runs where I didn't get past act 1>1 run where I raped everyone and didn't lose a single HP on the act 3 bosseslolmkay
Arguably defect and necro are close to watcher tier as wellWould be funny if lifecoach came back and casually hit like a 40 streak on one of these characters
>>736759447I wonder if defect will have as much trouble with act 4 as he did in the first game. I haven't played him enough in this game to know what would really make him eat shit the way spear and shield did to him in 1.
>test subject is vulnerable and not doing damage>draw all blocks>test subject is intangible and hitting for 50>draw my gorillion damage combo and no blocks
Shit you not, I didn't get offered a SINGLE draw card act 3Anyways, gg
GG Necro and Defect. I died midway through the Queen fight because my hands were clogged with Burn I couldn't get rid of due to Overclock and I didn't take Flak Cannon this run, so I'm glad you guys managed to secure that win. I'm lucky that Power Potion gave me Feral at the first turn so I could reuse unupgraded Beam Cell to help you stack vuln, but my luck ran out
Is deck duplication a good counter to door guy?I thought that extra cards + 2 strength from arsenal will be nice, but I think it made the deck way too slow.
>>736759598Yes defect hated spear and shield because a lot of the decks people played with him involved relatively slow setup and a lot of powers/focusIn this game it feels like defect is generally faster, and you're encouraged to not rely on this slow playstyle, so I'm not sure he would struggle as much
>>736759917The problem with deck duplication is mainly bad luckIf you have tyranny somehow then it's extremely good. In your case you probably don't have quite enough card draw
>suck at video games>get hellraiser>winHow is this card balanced? It's just free damage.
>>736759738bro your draw?
>>736760078"make your strike cards cost 0" isn't that game-winning if you don't build into it
>>736759203I did it with AI
>>736760087>draw all draw on the intangible turn>only thing you can do is cycle down to 0 and cross your fingersIt's a shit design and there's no real reason to defend it
>>736758071>With a Sovereign Blade, you can kill any boss in one hitsorry but I have 20 stacks of slippery you gotta get through first :)
>>736760408>anything that exposes my deck's weakness is bad game design
How do I get the cute anime Regent mod to work with the beta branch?
>>736760496you don't have to ask so that you can answer yourself, you can just post your guide.
Not yet i exactly as awful as i thought it would be.
ironclad can't blo-
>>736760962what if self repair cost 2 energy instead, healed you immediately so it it's useless if you're at full hp, and was shitting up your rare pool?thanks
Post a more cursed screenshot than this, I dare you
steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775241536426196/76561197997192985let us gingerly touch our decks together
>>736761156
I didn't realize the duplicate deck event was affected by Bing Bong
>>736761695THREE DECKS YOOOOOOO
>>736761156you are literally the character that ignores str and dex you bongotroid
>>736761695pictured: anon walking into the act 3 boss
someone host or i will kms
>>736759447>casuallythe way he played was anything but casual
>>736762120>he doesn't know about the monkeykills
fucking FINALLY
What is your personal relic record in slay the spire two fellas? I'm pretty sure this is mine right now. I got 7 elites done after an act 2 black star pick. Sadly had to rest a bunch and skip fires for more elites so I did not get to dig a lot.
I still don't get how to play RegentI crawled through one completion with him building forge and it was still so much worse than anything I've built on any other character
>>736762351produce starsspend stars on valuable cardsshrimple as that
>>736762351Speculative pocket lighter on multi-hitting stars cards
>>736761305>not even the diadem saves youdamn
>>736762060Hosting the funeral of this anon right heresteam://joinlobby/2868840/109775241538073936/76561199498658249
>>736760009I had a run recently with tyranny and big bang and duplicating the deck elevated it to a whole new level.>two tyranny>two orbit>two pale blue dot>two of every bullshit card in the deck at all timesshit's good but only because I drew 10 cards every turn
i require a host two and a half hours from now
>>736760078I used to think like that, but I got a run where I got Hellraiser turn 1 against the crab and then I got fucked.
>>736758071That's a female.
>>7367625103/4 grieving
what do you think of this card?
>>736762810Good. No one removes defends anymore so it's raw value.
>>736762810really fucking good
>>736762810Good of course
>>736762810Carries act 1 at the very least
>>736762810It's basedNo, wait, it's gigabased
>>736761695
I see Flame Barrier in act 1, I take it. Simple as.
>>736762003kek'dit was a fun run
>>736763112how the fuck
>>736760362Cleaned it up with GIMP
What do you take to make the silent op? Ive lost 6 A10 runs in a row
>>736761184GGs, that was super smooth.
>shit ton of shivs + dark embraceAbsolute Silent god run
>>736764001Goatse
>>736763910Cloned Adrenaline+Hope that helps.
>>736757963YOU'RE SLAYING YOURSELF
>>736763896>ai jeets and art trannies working togetherhuh?
>>736763910Just win, she's literally the easiest character in the game
>>736762810It's broken
>>736762810What is functionally different between saying this vs saying +5 dex?
>>736764095>someone mocked up a shitpost with AI for fun and someone touched it up with a free art programDecoded that from your buzzword us-vs-them language
>>736764234Because Dex affects other block cards
>>736762351Bulwark is the only good Forge card.
>>736764234Because 5 dex would affect all block cards and not just Defend
>>736764234dex hits every block card so +5 dex would be strongerin act 1 this is very close to +5 dex though
>>736764234The dex is better if you can get it but isn't easily available to all characters in a colorless card for 1 mana at uncommon.
>>736764271Summon Forth is also good. But I do feel that's it, Bing Bang and the powers aside.
>>736764257>>736764284Oh I speedread that hard, thanks.
>>736760362>>736763896I think what gets me is that he's got a car even though he already makes minions carry him. Do they go in the back seat?
>>736763996GG, idk if I was giving strength to the right guy but I think I was
>>736764382They carry the car.
>>736764382They go in the trunk
Hostan beta:steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775241540345459/76561197985009576Am I doing this right?
>>736764469>the lobby is fullClearly you are
man clad is so easy you just take whatever 30 card deck and go crazy no matter what pretty muchjust cleaned up a8 in under 30 minutes facerolling and thats pretty much how its been going this whole time
GG fellas
>>736762510GG. Thanks for the fuckton of Shivs Silentbro.
>>736765695>>736765714gg
>At Uncommon I expect it to still dominate pick rates, while giving me the breathing room to not overly nerf Sly cards, and in fact maybe even give Silent buffsSo? What do you think /v/, is Silent ready for buffs?
>>736765064Empty Lobby heresteam://joinlobby/2868840/109775241542235346/76561199498658249
How are they going to port over Watcher's non-stance stuff when they split it up between the other characters?
>>7367659293/4The architect needs you!
finally beat A10 with ironclad.at the start of the run i went for the 'gain 5 hp every time you rest' and spammed rest. run really went off after i got chemical X and cascade, had pael's flesh and bloodletting so i could cast cascade with 6 mana and get 8 hits, then went for 6x mauls for good late game dmg with demon form assisting.
another game of making the fattest least effective deck possible and going unpunished for it
>>736764469GG boys. Deleted half my hp right at the start. Still never slept or died.
>>736764469GGs, Debilitate is insane in multiplayer.
>>736767632I still want to make the fatttest deck with bing bong and a duplicate deck event but it just hasn't happened for me yet.
>>736767517Nice run anon. I just had a similar game except I ended up going with cook over mauls because I bought tent early on and got a hellraiser. Then the game just gave me 5 pommel strikes in a row. Offering+cascade is amazing and drum of battle seems like it's worth the risk when you don't see a better draw enabler early. It definitely fucked me over a few times exhausting demon form and cascade though but by the time I got hellraiser it didn't matter. It enables forgotten ritual paired with cascade pretty well since you always have an exhaust. I'd much rather see battle trance but it worked for draw before the game started giving me a dozen pommel strikes.
>>736768097forgot pic
>>736758730>xecnar claims she "should never lose a run no matter what"this seems unreasonable with sts2 act1. part of what makes watcher so ridiculous is that you can just upgrade eruption and take any random damage common and up to the act 1 boss having taken fully 0 damage against every single hallway fight and maybe 10-20 combined across 4 elites. silent is, ultimately, still at the whim of draw order to not take 15+ damage per floor in a variety of early act 1 hallway fights.
>>736768097>>736768141ty based cascadechad. how the fuck you spend 2 hours on a run
>a10 win under 25 minutesyou're not on my level
Thank you Megacrit. With these new removal prices im certain to never be able to remove random shit added to my deck from the shitty events i encounter. Truly you are my greatest ally
>>736768347I went AFK some but I do usually take 1 to 1.5 hours.
>>736758071I hate bridges.
>>736768635idk who drew that but it's perfect for that meme
>>736768453I could never play that fast. At least my win rate is good.
>>736768635>>736768734https://x.com/fez_cq/status/2042147508949021082
steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775241546546877/76561197997192985
>>736763112what the fuck dood
gg, didn't take damage basically
>>736763635hidden gem royalties on live with courier
>>736769509The amount of Block by Act 3 was just insane.
How does multiplayer even work? Does everyone go their own way or do you vote on what path to take whenever there's a juncture?
>>736769790You sort of vote by clicking on a location, if there's a split it rolls to randomly select one of the players vote's to win.
I desperately need tips bros.I've been stuck on A9 Necro for a couple days now and it's fucking busting my balls.My big issue is in Act 1 where I feel she really needs some rare cards to be able to go online but you don't get enough good common/uncommon cards to deal with elites. So when I do try to avoid elites as you usually do early on in Act 1, I feel she becomes too weak for the boss and Act 2. Her defensive options especially are too anemic that just leads to this horrid deathspiral every time.Not on the beta branch by the way.
>hit 5 wins in a rowI have finally learned how to play Silent. Yeah this is worse than Watcher lol
>>736769886yeah... necro is just really hard and the weakest class so far, i say take advantage of her strong energy cards
>>736769886Cant you still do infinites on the main branch, go pick up some ethereal cards since those are pretty strong early.
>>736769886funny, I'm stuck at regent A9 and necro A9 was a second try for me, though I'm not playing the betahow nerfed is necro there?
>>736769948Honestly Necro just feels a lot better than Regent to me, I feel that despite all the Forge and card creation buffs he's still the weakest and the character who has the most "rigid" play style where you need to lean really hard into 1 specific archetype. Necro just feels a lot more flexible and right now it's only Souls that's a bit underwhelming and Doom kinda relies on 1 specific card to solve bosses, though it's always a good complementary utility. Defect feels the most consistent, and Silent is still the strongest, while Clad is a mostly respectable character now. Regent is definitely fun to play but he isn't as versatile as the others imo.
>>736769886As it turns out, the character who likes to sit behind a shield that persists between turns and is more valuable when it isn't killed doesn't like the ascension where everything does slightly more chip damage.She's really fun at lower ascensions, but basically forces you to be risk averse at A9 / A10 - in my experience. Taking risks is how you actually win runs, and it's easy to do with every other character (some easier than others). Necrobinder just feels like she enters act 2 behind every other character unless you get relatively lucky.
>>736770141Regent is very strong as long as you get one decent synergy off the ground, because some of his synergies have high returns relative to the low number of cards required. Even a single card like astral pulse (0e, 3s, 14 damage) is doing a lot of heavy lifting in act 1 and saving you a lot of health for upgrades. Charge and crash landing are also good in the same way, although less flexible. Even forge has some card combinations that will just automatically win hard encounters for you.
>>736770141>>736770128>>736769948Regent was surprisingly easy for me mostly because he has really fucking efficient star cards and Glow is just broken in enabling all the efficient shit he has.Never fucking touched the sword build on high ascensions though but building a star deck is so easy that he gets to scale really hard really quick.>>736770226Yeah 100% that's how I feel every run goes with her. Either I play safe and get fucked because I'm too underpowered or I risk it but I get fucked too because her cards are too weak to deal with Act 1 shit.The farthest I've ever got so far on her is one build that just revolved around spamming Repeat Dirges and the other was a really defensive Doom deck surprisingly because I got THAT rare card early on.
>>736768339why even type all of that when you're going to end up being wrong
>>736768339Silent's Act 1 is laughably easy. She has common cards that solve almost all elite encounters. It's act 2 where she gets scared, because the elites can actually threaten her there.
>>736770226Necro is strong but can be shit again decimillipede specificallydodging act 2 elites might be a good idea sometimes
Hosting Beta A6:steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775241548717518/76561197985009576Let's have some fun.
>>736770391sword is a meme lmao and needs way too many moving parts to work
>>7367705382/4Giving it a few more minutes.
>>736770538i only have a4 unlocked
>>736770675Join anyway, it's (up to) A6.
>>736770348>>736770391Regent just starts with a bad deck and relic, he really relies on getting good cards early. He needs to roll good cards early to survive and tends to miss out on upgrades because he has to rest at nearly every campsite. You can get good cards just from Necro's common pool and her innate Barridcade and survivability advantage just allows you to snowball fast, especially because of the higher survivability allowing you to do more upgrades. The main thing with Necro is to understand that getting good damage on her is actually a lot better than simply hyperfocusing on block and draw. Reap, Defile, Sow are all very effective common cards, and Defy + Grave Warden are high-value and inexpensive common block solutions. People complaining Necro is weak or slow are just not taking enough damage cards on her.
I have no idea what I'm doingcarried 100% by rolling boulder
>>736770725When do you take on elites?
>>736770827The Rolling Boulder could've been anything. You're actually carried by Footwork, After Image, and Fasten.
>>736770507do you have evidence of silent runs that end at floor 20-30? because by my data the ones that dont make it to the end tend to be dying in the middle of act 1 to their second elite.
The game has been crashing a lot for me today, it's never happened before. Is it on my end?
silent can die to elites sometimes? just dodge elites whenever you feel weak then>b-b-butshe is so broken she doesn't even need the relics, if she reaches act 3 I don't see how she loses
reagent
>>736770847Litterally when you have any of the good block commons and 1 good common attack card? Never had a problem with her. When do YOU take on Act 1 Elites with Regent?
I don't mean to bitch but what the actual fuck are you supposed to do against the beta Doormaker? I've only been able to beat him once so far.
>>736771416Never mind I just beat him again. It's all good.
>>736769147GG boys, I don't think I helped a whole lot but I tried to at least keep up weak/vuln while you just killed the boss
>>736771503Worked great with debilitate and dominate in my deck. We basically held things off until Defect killed them with 500 orbs
>>736771503>>736771672GG>Creative AI from Neow transforming a card>Storm and Subroutine from the first two combatsBuild was rigged from the start. If only I'd seen a Voltaic...
General tips for higher ascension Clad? I had a good winrate with him at first but ever since hitting level 5 I've been dying a bunch. Feels like I'm always either 1 energy or 1 draw short of being able to end a hallway fight a turn earlier, or killing an elite without losing half my health.
>start trending up winning more with a character>lose five in a row and play starts slumping more and moreshit.
>>736771857block was a mistake. uproar tutoring uproar is the truth and the light
Finally switched to the beta so I could feel something while playing Regent. I finally understand the character now (he will be brutally nerfed next week).
Regent and Defect are tanking my W/L ratio... Defect in particular is too different from StS1 so I can't really get used to it. I miss Recycle.
the round that made me uninstall>oh, you have 2x hang cards and 20 stacks of hang debuff on me? your next hang will hit me for 82 billion trillion damage?>too bad you'll only ever draw them when I have intangible fucking INFURIATING
GG i thought were goners when Test hit us for 70
>>736770538GGs.Nearly killed ourselves on the Test Subject first phase so I'm amazed you guys could pull out 30+ block per turn consistently.
>>736773389>>736773392touch and go at the end there, boys, that was sick
>>736772934I feel like orbs still work pretty well, but it's more about spamming orbs rather than stacking them with high focus
When would you pick Barricade?It feels like I can never get enough block on IC for it to be worth it.
>>736774081when you get it for free from a power potion
>>736770939Might be just how I build the character, I have no data
>>736774081If it comes pre-upgraded or you can safely upgrade it. It's unplayable at 3 cost unless you have energy cards to pull it off.
>>736774081When you're playing STS1 and Entrench exists outside of a one-off random event that has like a 1 in 10 chance of giving it to you.Honestly I don't think the devs anticipated how much certain cards would be indirectly nerfed by their new design philosophy. Demon Form is in a similar spot; it had its uses in STS1 but now all its synergies like Heavy Blade and Limit Break are gone, fourth energy is a rare luxury, and nearly every enemy is a cultist, so now Demon Form is basically unplayable unless you get it free from a potion.
>>736774430I only ever picked Entrench AFTER I got barricade, and it was mostly an extra bonus that rarely was needed to win, Corruption was what made me grab Barricade most of the time.They should have made Prolong an Ironclad card, it's basically better entrench and actually a reason to grab Barricade
>>736774081Maybe if you get Impervious. But yeah, it's nowhere near as good in this game without reliable Entrenchment.
>>736774081you should be running bloodletting in every IC deck. barricade is good into the act 3 bosses a lot of the time, it is far from an always pick but getting to smooth your block can be the difference between a win and a loss.
>>736774081I've had it twice. First time it was at run's end while I had a lot of ways to draw and generate energy, so it was an easy fit.Second time I had jack shit for energy, but my draw was alright, I had a lot of block (the relic that doubles the first block a card gives you every turn is godly) and the deck wasn't too large. Still needed to lose over 30 health to set up Barricade and start stacking block, but it saved me much more in the long run.So, I guess you need at least some degree of draw and either easy block sources or a lot of energy. I don't think it's too hard an ask; Bloodletting is a common, Shrug is a common, Battle Trance is an Uncommon and they're all insta picks.
>try to do an ethical run of Regent without Radiate and Stardust spam>always deviate into Radiate and Stardust spam if given the chance
Finally got a free win from clone
>>736775957Oops forgot my image. Didn't go infinite but 32 fetches is pretty close
colossus being rare made ironclad fun now
>>736775957>>736776007>ascension 2>finallyI'm at A10 on all and still haven't had a free clone win. every time i have a card that could be used i get that scarecrow or just no clone from pael
>>736776116uncommon""
My Clad climb continues. Hellraiser continues to prove itself better than I think it will be at salvaging a meandering act 1 that got P strike and not much else.
>>736774578>They should have made Prolong an Ironclad card, it's basically better entrenchIt has less combo potential but the floor is a lot better, which I guess is what they're going for with this game and clad especially now that they've neutered his infinites.
I know there's a draft mode, but is there a way to just seed, like, your ancient relics and nothing else? I just want more prismatic gem runs.
I know it's only A1 but this was a really fun run. The game pretty much handed me my block synergies within like 5 floors of the start via events transforming cards and good early card rewards.I just blocked everything, had block synergies and 2 copies of Body Slam+. I took like a total of 30 damage the entire run.
>>736759203SWEET DECKS ARE MADE OF RNGWHO AM I TO DISAGREE?
>>736771465kek this was my reaction until I redid the fight and didn't exhaust all my important shit.
If I enjoyed Balatro, will I enjoy this game?
>>736776781Yeah. It's not quite the same thing and there's a lot more math, but I enjoy both.
>>736771416War of attrition, especially now that he doesn't buff as much and his multi-hit comes later. Try to pick up as many good cards as you can through act 3 once you see he's the boss, and then prioritize feeding him your shit cards on the exhaust turn. Then you just play the fight normally, as best as possible.
>>736776124I'm A10 with Ironclad and Defect but this was only the third time I've even seen clone. Other two times I didn't have any cards that were gamebreaking with it
>>736774081I like it a lot of I have unmovable or some other means of cheating out lots of block, otherwise it's hard to justify for me
i hate this fucking deck, you would think the loop would be effective with it being small but it was begging for energy the whole time. mecha knight almost slaughtered me because i had the trial event right before give me a regret curse. there were multiple times i could've probably made my life easier like i should've bought the dolly's mirror and duplicated spirit of ash but i went with letter opener and ended up having relic trader taking it away from me in the end because i didn't want to give up happy flower or meal ticket because i thought i would've died to the next elite without the heal but the ironic part was i ended up buying the waffle that was there anyways
>>736772934Take turbo. Even without status card synergy it's good. You can always fish the voids back out of your discard with holograms or play skim to draw them out at 0 energy and possibly into the next turbo. Turbo, coolheaded (priority upgrade for 2 draw), and compile driver have been the core of most of my runs.Honorable mentions for good cards you might be overlooking: Skim, Shadow shield, Chill (now upgrades into not exhausting), Go for the eyes, Hotfix, Bulk Up, charge battery, Capacitor.I didn't mention rares since those are more obvious. Skim is probably the most important card to take. Once you get some early draw going you can cycle 0 costs. Bulk up might seem detrimental but losing a single orb slot early game to make all your trash cards more playable is great. And 3 dex/str tends to still be useful later on. Combined with fasten your base defends can be the block solution for the whole run.Don't fall into the STS1 trap of spamming frost orbs with glacier as your sole block source. It's slightly nerfed and less permanent focus hurts frost orbs the most. It's still a solid card but you want to draft it with high card draw and hotfix.
>>736777596I am a simple man. I see Coolheaded, I take it... except when I have too many things already in need of upgrading, then it's a bit tricky
>>736777596>You can always fish the voids back out of your discard with hologramsNTA but holy fuck I never thought of that. I gotta try this next time I get a run with both of those cardsYet another reason for Hologram to be one of my favourite cards, I suppose
I really like Armaments, but I've been told it sucks.
>>736778063Jorbs propaganda, it's a good card if you get it early and can afford to upgrade it
>>736778063It's great act 1, but falls off.If you go the strike ancestral relic or fasten, it's definitely worth it.
>>736778287he says it's good though
sand castle or archaic tooth? leaning heavily towards tooth as I have stampede, but the card upgrade lottery calls to me
>>736778467for me it's alchemical coffer
So let me get this straight Doormaker counters you if your deck:1) Wants to play its cards more than once2) Has any draw effects3) Uses energyDoes that sound right?
>>736757963that effect seems way out of tone with the rest of the card. Like if you're in a bad spot and about to die its literally the last card you'd want to see
>>736778557Yes, but he doesn't deal any damage, so it doesn't actually counter anything. The statue deals a similar amount of damage and that's an act 1 elite.
>bridge>lost shrug it off>next ?>shop selling discounted shrug it off
>>736778063Arma+ is a godsend in Act 1. I'm convinced it's a massive winrate booster for ascensions
>>736778689>oya nigga heard you got robbed last night>well i just got this new TV i dont need, you wanna buy it?
>>736778557you kill doormaker on the no draw turn once you've exhausted down to the good stuff
>>736778467>Sandcastle>sharktoothIs Orobas just chilling on the beach while we're shitting ourselves?
>>736778467well depends on how deck looks, how many upgraded alreadyi will say break is actually pretty nice, vuln just seems like the best deck synergy now, much easier to get colossus to block, you get strength with dominate, card draw with vicious etc
>>736778557Basically your deck should have the core cards that will kill him and exhaust everything else so you don't draw draw cards on the no draw form. It also helps to have some 0 costs or energy generation that you can use on the energy loss form to play more than two cards.
>>736778557yeah, but you usually get through just because he doesn't deal that much damage
>>736779135>he doesn't deal that much damageWhat crack are you smoking?
i don't like how much clad relies on pommel strike for so many different builds to work
>Defect is the most well-designed and finetuned character, just feels like 1's Defect but refined>full of placeholder art>Ironclad is a complete mess>is the tutorial character, has a lot of unused card art that they scrappedHow does this shit even happen?
>>736779776Going off the old patch notes from before the game became public, Ironclad and Silent were in the game from the very start while Defect kept getting added and removed from the game as they reworked him several times. Even Regent and Necrobinder had a more final version before he did. Explains why he's the last character you unlock.
>>736779776> has a lot of unused card art that they scrappedHere’s your answer, they tried one billion things with him, leaving his card pool as disjointed mess
>>736779736Easy, just make shrug off to draw 2 cards on upgrade
>>736779736Damage and draw for one mana at common What The fuck else you want?
>worse than Anger at solving act1>a literal cursed-brick going into act2Why this card exists?
>>736775751Weak
>>736780550It's better now since it exhausts a random card in hand
>>736773079>Didn't savescum
>>736780595>exhausts your wincon
>Sly build with lots of dex>Getting like 50 block per turn without even trying>Boss does it's big attack>No defense or drawThis game just loves to fuck you over
>>736780550how would you fix this card? why didn't they just make the upgrade targetted like true grit?
>>736780550such a retarded card. you just don't want to use this for exhaust synergies. in practice it's like a really bad version of carnage--a card you take only first few floors to deal with elites.
>>736780820i'm pretty sure that's how it is? but it's still garbage because it's a 2 cost attack.
>>736780595is that in the beta, I haven't touched that yet. coincidentally just tried going exhaust for the first time and yes, it was a pretty shit card, but at least it didn't fuck me over>>736780636just play cards until you have a strike/defend and then exhaust that, ez
>>736780820Just delete it and give something Ironclad wants>>736780943Nope +6 damage and no target on exhaust
somebody hostan plzI want to fill my compendium
>>736781018> just play cards until you have a strike/defend and then exhaust that, ezWhich is inherently harder to do because it costs 2
Does Osty's spikes from Necromastery stack if you play it multiple times? I'm picking to clone.
>>736781292Just replying to let you know I literally don't know
tfw got an infinite but my damage source is deadly poison*clicks acrobatics -> tactician -> poison -> backflip 87 times in a row*
>>736758373How can you be so sure of, we never see what her skin looked like before, do we?
>>736781448er actually it's only a psudo-infinite but i saved a "make card cost 0 for rest of combat" potion for the boss
>>736781292Got any zero cost cards?
When you glorb
>>736781292Yeah
>>736781545Doesn't matter. I died to Bug Thief on the 2nd combat because I drew no block and had shit block cards anyway.
>go thin deck funsies>phrog parasiteFUCKYOUUUUU
>>736781994you can retain status card?
>>736778557Doormaker counters you if your deck:1) Has cards that it has to play more than once and has to play them EVERY TURN OR IT INSTANTLY DIES2) Has to draw cards EVERY TURN OR IT INSTANTLY DIES3) Has to use more than 2 energy EVERY TURN (and has no 0 energy cards that make energy) OR IT INSTANTLY DIESFTFY
>>736780550Cinder is a bad card, except in the very first act where it's a priority upgrade because it hits a lot of breakpoints with that 6 extra damage. I would still buff it by making it give weak. Trying out the new patch, Colossus is good, but awkward to use unless you have break desu. Because it's an uncommon, you're only going to see that card 1/6 hands per cycle, which means you want 3 or so sources of vuln that you want to play each time you get it. Not Yet did pull a lot of weight for me, but upgraded stoke actually slots in well with the full vuln package if you're lucky to get it with feel no pain. Ironclad feels weak in general I think because he needs that 4th persistent energy past the 1st act because of the cost of bash.
>>736782284name 3 decks that doesn't do this
>>736782341the last 3 decks I beat doormaker withmaybe your dick is too small and you have no relics?
>>736781292I did this yesterday and yes, two Necro Masterys will make it reflect back 2x damage, 3 will make it reflect back 3x. I did a run with 3 Necro Masterys. Shit was fun.
>>736782327>I would still buff it by making it give weak.No weak for Ironclad allowed
my first a10 clear after 90 hours into the gameplease celebrate with me
>>736783046
A10 on Necro: Complete. One of the most fun decks I've had on her. Ethereal builds feel like a good solid start. Pantograph and Feather carried. Being able to upgrade cards got things rolling. Reaper Form for free on the 5th card was really nice for the double bosses.>>736783046Good job! I like Defect the best. Kunai with Claws rules.
slime berserker is such a piece of shit
>>736783115>noooo you can't hecking have a small deck that scales a bit too slow you will draw nothing but slime while i hit for 30 and you will like it
they should make Inferno hp loss trigger not stack but treated as separate triggersit should be considered losing HP when you get hit for 0(tungsten bar, STR reduction for enemy) when having no block
>>736783403yeah when I first read it I assumed it would scale quadraticallymultiple infernoes+crimson mantle still wins the run but it should win harder
>>736780550It's just a desperate damage pick before the early Act 1 Elite and later on it just becomes food for Thrash.
>>736783068no racism pls
>>736757963this card kinda sucks, so much worse than self repair was
>>736783560Mmm…dual wield+ into triple inferno+ for 72 damage would be nice
I have no idea how to actually play this game. I somehow bumbled my way to A10 with ironclad but I'm 10W-100+L.
>>736775751Good, Stardust is peak fun
>>736761695>clone a Big Bang +>get bing bong>visit 5 restsAnd the rest was history
>>736764001Dont you lose energy when you play the shivs? how do you have enough left for the finisher?
>>736758071Well memed friend have an upvote
The weak should fear the strong
snakebite first floor just feels like a win already
I just had a A9 with silent where I cleared every all 3 elites in act 2 then died ymto knowledge demon cause low dps. Wtf. I feel like poison is the only silent build. Either you apply tons of poison or you just lose boss fights.
>>736785870Snakebite has too much dps
>>736786058well it has obviously has shit numbers for a 2 cost, but it just works out with the retainat worst, even if you go into non-poison archetype you draw it most once
>>736785128he's discarding tactician with hidden daggers and then drawing it back when the shivs exhaust because of dark embrace
>>736761305should've built focus and blocked with orbsoh wait
Not much experience with the Necro. First time I managed to make such a slow build. Other than unleash, my damage was fairly low, though no trouble other than ending up dying to the dog. In its third form I never had Unleash in my hand when he takes damage and my one Snap was never in the hand together with Unleash to begin with. After a long standstill my ~150 max hp Osty died and soon me after him.Is there some other damage card for an Osty build that I am missing?
>>736786126I'm still loling at all the people that thought snakebite is a bad card. There were so many of them for like a week or two.
>>736786768It's a bad card.
>>736786826They'd love you on reddit
>>736786826it's good
>>736781479Skull shape. You might think that wouldn't work in the real world, but it does.
>>736786768>>736786826The fact that people jumped on hating snakebite when Cinder, Havoc, Drums set up strike exist shows majority just look at number only. 2 energy for 7 points? That sucks!!!
Snakebite discourse is so last week, bro
>>736787410Why is havoc bad?
Crazy insomniac combo right here.
>>736758071>>736768635what is this bridge regent meme? did I miss something? is this an event I haven't encountered yet?
>>736757963anyone who can´t play ironclad beyond a5 is BAD at the game period.the game is not that difficult or engageing.it needs way more content too games are too short the moment you become powerful it´s already over ... :lsts1 turboenthusiast here btw
>>736787470Rng bullshit
>>736787549How do I git gud
>>736763635trainer bullshittery
>>736786768?everyone still agrees it's bad reddit bro
>>736787620you take offering whenever you can and bloodletting , rest is up to you , gotta selfharm as ironclad to pump out big things.that or exhaust memedeck which can bite you in the ass.barrier and 40block card helps a ton rest can be whatever and that´s pretty much it.draw more cards and work towards infinite hits.
>>736787515If you haven't gotten BRIDGE'd yet, you haven't played enough
>>736787685Reddit's the main place that calls it a bad card
>>736787714xecnar*
>>736779776>refined>no Self Repairlollmaoit feels so bad without it
>>736781994these status cards that make you take damage or lose health should be etherealchange my mind (you can't)
Who up biting they snakes
>>736787712how much more until I encounter that bridge thing?
>>736785128Automation, a colorless power that gives 1 energy every 10 cards drawn
>>736785128Also, for clarification, this is me >>736788178>>736786158I didn't do it with tactician since I accidently exhausted it, I guess when it played with sly it also exhausts
>>736779776isn't he a different defect?
>>736780550>17 dmg card that thins out your deck>worse than a card that floods it with shit dmg
Why the hell does this card end my turn? It makes NO SENSE and it always trips me up...
Rage should be renamed Correction
>>736788539I know what type of person you are
Dumbest Ironclad run yet. Shame I couldn't Body Slam the boss gauntlet with my 200+ Block, they were both killed by an 80-damage Boulder.
>pick up the Vakuu Rose>transform it into a Minion Strike 0.0001 seconds into the fight
Knife trap unironically should be a attack being able to burst it is insanely strong
Finally a Bullet Time Snakebite win in the books
just beat the 3rd boss for the first time, suck it, queenhellraiser good
History Course + apparitions continues to be broken.>>736788608I have only once gotten the boulder and it was off a potion. Looks fun though. What's the enchantment on the burning pact?
Something happened to my save file. Just poofed out of existence. I think it might have been some cloud save fuckery. I attempted to restore it by grabbing older cloud saves, but I couldn't seem to get it back. Guess I'll grab a 100% unlock save. Already had Defect and Silent maxed. Just have to fast track the unlocks for the others.
>>736788960>History CourseI keep forgetting about this shit 90% of the time
>coat hits exactly 0 elitas
>>736764382Well he does sit on the trunk...with the throne already.
>>736788478because then you could play it + something else for free bozo.
>>736788960Perfect Fit, I wanted to exhaust all of my Defends to draw my 2-energy block cards which are so much better.
>finally tried to make an Arsenal + Minions setup>dying to Test Subject because of awful turn 3 drawAGGHHH
Only found out now about the exploit to upgrade all the cards at the rest>pick a card to upgrade >move the arrows until you select another one in the background, press enter, >repeat until they are all selected and confirmToo bad is fixed in the beta branch, so better use it while you can.
>>736789740then just make it so it applies from next turn only?
fvaark...why can't they animate every attack like this
>>736790170You can also remove all your cards that way too if you get the neow blessing
>>736789072I forgot about it the first two/three times I had it but then I picked up whistle in act 3 once and duplicated it with history course. Haven't forgotten about it since because it was so high value.>>736789957Smart. Snake eye is fun as hell.
>>736779736Vicious with vulnerable application is an even better draw engine. Too bad vicious is less common than pommel
modified script to be multithreaded for better performance. Running normal encounters against every possible 3 common card combination(no duplicates) with 1000 seeds. Since it takes about an hour to finish currently only finished Inklets with very interesting results.Not A single common AoE attack performed as good as you'd expect in 3 enemy encounter
>>736790464>Lose 3 FocusI will never ever ever play this cardever
>>736790865as expected just taking block cards will cause you to lose HP. Surprisingly Breakthrough, AN AOE card appears in some of worst performing combinations
>>736790464>>736790884I agree, it feels even less playable than in StS1
>>736790884just apply artifact to yourself, duh, oh wait
>>736790464should make it cost 3 and lose focus for the remaining turn
>>736787712>Bridge>Reroll>Remove strikeThank you bridge.
another run of almost dying because i thought my defect focus spam build was cool but bottom decking all of my block and frost cards on a spicy encounter
someone host
what does shuffle your draw pile mean and when does it happen?
>>736790464it's really bad most of the time, but if they made the numbers higher it would autowin all hallway fights honestly just remove this card
>>736792338It means randomizing your deck and it happens whenever your draw pile is empty and you attempt to draw a card.
>>736790884orbs are for suckers
>>736792526oh yeah makes sense, thanks
>>736792527bulk up+ is actually really good
>>736792527there are two ways to play defect: orbmaxx or die
>>736793392but evoking is the good part. passive orbs are sts1bab nostalgia.
>>736788092>20 loses at a1wtf?
>>736793776those 20 losses were at A0 btwthe regent is incredibly weak compared to the OGsvery difficult to get the ball rolling and scale up
>>736793871I don't like regent but 20 at a0?
>>736792453A ton of the returning cards need a complete redo, there's too many that are just trash with the new balancing
>>736792526Doesn't it also count the start of combat as shuffling your draw pile?
>>736794231Perfect fit doesn't always start in your hand, so I'd assume not.
steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775241605814766/76561197997192985EU hours lobby, Americans leave and play alone with your orbs
>>736793871Yeah Regent is definitely hard mode. His deck just doesn't work 90% of the time. I feel like you absolutely need either an early energy buff to make a Forge build work, or you need perfect synergy with star-gaining and star-using cards and very little card bloat to make a star-based build work, or otherwise just having some other incredibly lucky relic/colorless that would let you steamroll with any other build.
>when lack of money and events to remove cards kills your deckalso I never found calcify. Feels bad
>transform effects turn your curse cards into a different curseWell that's was a fucking waste
relics were feeling thematic
>>736795019>she hasn't played sts1
>>736795483That's like pulling exodia, twice
Lord's Parasol destroys doorfaggot
>>736795483>turn 4>shit yourself and die
Got my first A10 clear with 3 other friends!
>>736796316Calamity and beat down both ended up being pretty good against doormaker. I might actually draft them normally on future runs. They both circumvent the no draw bullshit by generating cards or playing from discard.
>>736796535Congrats anon
>>736796535Want to make it a second?steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775241611186233/76561198043831607
>>736796734I'm pretty tired now since we were playing together for like 3 hours but I'll try to join /v/ lobbies later today
>>736794776GG, game refused to give me any combo pieces for ANYTHING>here's juggernaut and dark embrace, get one exhaust card after that and no feel no pain>no energy gain cards nor relics until act 3>no big block cards for body slamif not for Mauls I would be doing nothing at all
StS2 is balanced around draft mode
>fun Stampede into Bludgeon+/Mangle+ run>Kaiser Krab shits on it because Stampede keeps turning me away from his attacks repeatedlyThis boss is probably the worst Act 2 one in the entire game right now. I hate him so much
>>736798007>Waaaaah, my rgn build did an rng I didn't like!
>>736798310Yes exactly
>>736789934>FUCKING BRIDGER.
>>736798007why is Stampede random? Just let player pick target
Since this is early access, is there any talks of adding more animations? I really like some of the ones already in. It would make me coom if Defect got unique attack animations for his 0 cost cards. Using All For One would make you feel like the motherfucking fist of the north star.
>>736798646I have it in my head that Corruption should have Ironchad do the pose from his STS1 ending where he holds his hand out and purple flames fall from him, then he crushes his hand in a fist and his helmet eye flames go purple, then for the rest of the fight while Corruption is up all his flame-based animations have the flames permanently purple
>>736798726That sounds great. It would also be absolutely criminal if demon/snake/echo/whatever form didn't alter your character's appearance in some way.
>>736798415I think hitting a random enemy is fair for potentially getting a free three cost attack every turn
>>736798802Echo Form probably wouldn't cost MegaCrit much either. Literally just copy Defect's model and animations, make them all transparent with the opacity just right, then shift them to be slightly behind/adjacent to Defect, then sync them to Defect's animations.
Scientific discovery: swift enchantment is not depleted on copies that anger creates of itself.
why can't you enchant a card multiple times
>>736798880I was actually kind of surprised and sad to see that WASN'T a thing. Here's hoping they put it in.
>>736798881Cards that create duplicates of other cards retain the enchantments on the duplicates as well as cost reductions at the time of copying. I've had Nightmare copy 0 cost powers that Power Potion generates for example
>>736798979F2 it to MegaCrit? Though that does make me wonder if it'd be too much to have it also replicate with subsequent uses? Like multiple Echo Forms used has multiple overlapping echos of Defect?
>>736798980Yeah, I knew it would copy the enchantment but since swift is one time use I wasn't entirely sure it would copy the unactivated version if you catch my drift. I'm also pretty sure that nightmare didn't work that way with temporarily 0 costed cards in sts1 which is odd.
>>736799029I doubt that would be a thing. Might be cool to see Silent get more snakes if she stacks it though. Or multiple stages of demonic progression. Or Regent glowing brighter.
>>736798802>It would also be absolutely criminal if demon/snake/echo/whatever form didn't alter your character's appearance in some way.They should first make Demon Form pickable card before giving it anything
>>736799229I think it goes in order line by line? First line is Anger's damage, second line is it making a copy of itself in the discard, then the third line is the Swift enchantment. Since the copy is made before the Swift enchantment triggers, all subsequent copies keep Swift. I don't know if you checked the discard and saw the previously-used Anger cards having consumed the Swift enchantment with that line being greyed out? I'm assuming that's what would happen
>>736780550Why the fuck did they make a worse Sever Soul?
>>736780820>how would you fix this card?Gains +3 damage on exhausting a card
>>736798976Balance
>>736799618It's buffed on beta to 18(24 upgraded). It's a little better than Sever Soul. It's close to Carnage stat wise and a pretty good pick early when it's just going to be exhausting strike/defends to play itself more frequently.
speaking about Cinder>two hits so better scales with str>plays instead of exhausting so at worst it's 16 damage(-1~2 less than Cinder), at best it can play attack card you want
The ironclad converted to islam and is now stoning women. Concerning development.
>>736800259There is literally no enchantment stack that is broken, at least no more than what combos already do
>>736798976The optimal strat would be giga enchanting one card over and overThey fundamentally don't want that, and this time they're right. It's more fun to spread enchantments, but is suboptimal to do so if you could stack them.
>>736800851stacking enchantments is retard-tier gameplay
>>736800758>Regent finally feels comfortable enough around the Ironclad to share with him the secrets of forging and passing down the ancestral knowledge of his family's greatest heirloom, the Sovereign Blade>Ironclad instantly turns it into a rock and throws it at somethingIronclad is a menace
>>736800943don't talk about Inscryption that way
>>736794776Just the one? Why don't EUnogs host games?
>>736801040He isn't so cursed for no reason.
I had juggling duplicate my enchanted perfect strike(with perfect fit) so when my deck shuffled I had hellraiser just start throwing perfected strikes at enemy and making more of them
>>736801040Should have made it two cost card
>>736801491Shouldn’t*
I made it to ascension 5 with every character, am I a pro?
>>736802994Ascensions pre 9 are the tutorial
Hosting beta branch.steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775241625628921/76561197985009576
>>736798976Because even the shittiest card turns into a broken card doing that.>Spiral Strike for Replay>Enchant with Sharp +2 damage from the manual event>Enchant with the Gnarled Axe relic for +3 damage again>Enchant with Adroit just for good measure, free 6 block>Enchant with Swift too>Teczasdfjasldf Ember for FREE strike>Corrupted for +50% damageAnd that turns a simple single strike into a 0-cost deal 16 damage twice draw 3 cards gain 6 block.That's without the Lighter or upgrading the card or a strike dummy.Now muck about with some actually good cards and it just gets silly if you can play it over and over by removing worse cards.
what's The Strat for multiplayer runs. damage is just so retarded on a10.
>>736803873debuffing the enemy mainly. always have weak/vuln, get debilitate whenever possible, -str abilities like piercing wail, etc
>>736803873Mandatory Silent
genuinely how do i into necrobindert. ironclad ungabungacel
>>736785721Source?
>>736800716Just remove give him back Carnage.It's ok for characters other than Lich to have ethereal cards.
>feel kind of whatever about a run, path toward 5 rest sites and a bajillion elites in act 1>they wreck me, do it again in act 2>have to rest every time, no card upgrades until act 3 and what I find already preupgraded>STILL winsly is so fucking retarded lmao. 7 hour run time because I left the game on while I went out.
>>736804131Get the power that applies doom to a random enemy at the beginning of a turn. Get the card that gives you armor 3 times if you have applied doom this turn. Value your Osty-HP more than you do right now. Something like taht.
>>736787712Am I retarded? The bridge is one of the best events. Almost guaranteed removal of a shit card for me. The tea event is the one that pisses me off. Basically -50 gold.The worm that also forces you to take a card is annoying as well.
>>736804306that's entirely luck based, it can just keep rotating between two vital cards if it feels like it
I either have gotten too retarded to pirate or people aren't uploading the 0.103.0 beta version.Very concerning.
>>736804407get a job
>>736804131First upgrade into bodyguard erry time
>>736792338>>736792526It counts things that specifically shuffle your dreck too like Reboot
>>736804451People die when they work.
>>736804591people die no matter what they do
>>736804131Draw a billion cards with payoffs for drawing/playing cards
>Silent rare>enemy loses X strength permanently>Silent common>enemy loses 6 strength this turn, 1 cost>Necro rare>enemy loses 2 strength permanently>Necro uncommon>enemy loses 8 strength this turn, 1 cost>Ironclad rare>enemy loses 10 strength this turn, 3 costin what world Mangle is a rare card with fucking common card effect?
>>736804131>doom and things that reward you for playing doom>big osty>souls + mana to support the above two, or just souls and none of the other stuff if you're lucky
>>736804931>deals MASSIVE amounts of damage>doesn't exhaust >has a mushroom on it Mangle is the best.
>>736804931mangle is intended for ironclad's cards that make expensive cards free like cascade, stampede, and unrelenting
>>736803873flanking, debilitate, beacon of hope, piercing wail, enfeebling touch, malaise, crush under, mangle, gang up, knockdown, golden compass.silent and necro are the most important, they're a bit slow in Act1 where everthing is a damage race, however.ironclad make with act1 easier because of reliable sources of vul.regent's blade works well with flanking and he has some str dubuff as well.defect can give energies to allies, but overall he suck because orb don't work with debilitate, flanking, knockdown.
I CAN'T BEAT A10
My Osty deck was already seemingly pretty good, but then I got Unleash and Osty + Imbued Reanimate became a shield for setting up Eradicates with 10+ energy. Then in last merchant even gave me Chemical X for +2 on the Eradicate.
>*cracks open white monster*now dirge soul spam, THAT was a deck back in 0.99
>>736804931ironclad has plenty of ways to cheat out expensive attacks, you're retarded.
Goatse's anti-draw phase should reduce draw effects by 1, not prevent them entirely.
>>736805189just damage the enemy and block their attacks
>>736806408All that time and effort for a card that just exists when you play Ironclad.
>>736806452except that card prevents further draw
>>736806408>wow I can't wait to draw into cards I can't play with my 3 energy!
>>736806774>3 energylol
>>736806887I played that character for one run and all the way I felt I could lose at any moment and yet somehow I won
>>736806974that is sometimes known as having fun
>>736806974She's strong. Play jackpot.
>how it feels to play in a custom run with a busted deck.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-EDS-PVm-0
>>736805062>>736805782why it's rare? It has Common-Uncommon effects
>>736807834wtf are you 'tisming about now
die monster
>>736807834More powerful strength loss and significant damage. Retard.
>>736807834Early defensive tools are verboten on ironclad
A9 is literally impossible. Game is not balanced.
>>736807982>More powerful strength loss and significant damageyeah, that's called 3 cost card
>>736808027
>>736808027It's a major step up. You have to start skipping elites unless you're very confident
>>736804931I don't see a universe where Enfeebling touch costs 1 energy for -11 strength (on a class with Temu Hologram that blocks five times as much as Ironclad) and mingle your mangle is worth it at 3.What even are the "synergies to put it on play" here?Stampede if you hit it instead of the other cards in your hand, then unrelenting it and... that's it. Memeing it with cascade. And Stampede + unrelenting don't even work together because if you unrelenting to set up something between turns the effect will fizzle as stampede plays something from your hand anyway."Headbutt it and play cascade" is ass. Disneyland card combos where everything is in your hand (involving two cards in your hand and one on the discard pile, one of them a rare, on the exact turn you're getting hit by a multiattack) don't work compared to "just hologram it back" (a common)This is a class that used to have shockwave and disarm at uncommon and the only proactive defensive sources right now are uppercut and fucking mongle.
>>736807960it should be 3 cost Disarm, So -4 Strength, give it exhaust to balance it out
>>736808716>cards should just be upgraded versions of other cards!are you the regent designer?
>>736808785>cards should just be downgraded versions of other cards
>>736808027A9+ is the normal difficulty. Everything before that is pissbaby difficulty.
>>736808913it's not a downgrade to anything you're just too retarded to deckbuild
So much discussion is about potential deck rather than reality.Yeah you could manage to find this specific card you need for this specific situation but realistically that shit is not guaranteed so just get luckier!Pointless. May as well be honest and say 'just go next' instead.
>>736809032Disarm no longer exist so it can't be "upgrade to it", but if you think so then it's also true that Mangle is downgrade to Enfeebling touch
>>736762351Forge is generally just a side thing you can do with Refine Blade/Bulwark/Summon Forth unless the game dumps Conquest and Sword Sage on your ass early, or you find a way to get Armaments from an event to upgrade the sword so it costs less.
>>736809309enfeebling touch costs 1 energy as opposed to the 0 you're supposed to play mangle with, and does no damage
>>736809376>0 you're supposed to play mangle with,Literally never happens
>>736809419well yes i imagine that's true with someone as shit at deckbuilding as you
>>736809376>luck is skill bro
>>736809460what is luck about that
>>736809376>this 3 energy rare card is good if you play it with this other 2 energy uncommon (otherwise it's unplayable) and that's good comapred to this other 1 energy uncommon card that you can play by itselfi see, that's why I only win 60% of my A10 runs
This run was amazing. Ironclad truly does not give a fuck about anything.
>>736809528>3 energy rare card is good if you play it with this other 2 energy uncommontwo 2 energy uncommons make it busted>otherwise it's unplayableincorrect, even at 3 cost it can shut down a multi-hit turn>I only win 60% of my A10 runsyikes
>>736809518you need to luck into both getting a card that discounts it AND draw them both on the same turn
Mangle is dogshit. Playing it for "free" doesn't change that.
>>736809607>getting a card that discounts ityou don't pick it up unless you already have these. do you also grab barricade while your deck is shitty block cards and then complain that it's useless?>AND draw them both on the same turnthis isn't difficult at all unless you're filling your deck with useless shit
Mangle is not good and anyone arguing otherwise is coping
>>736809605The card could say -15 strength unupgraded and -20 upgraded and it would still be shit, that's how bad it is
Piercing Wail and Enfeebling Touch is god tier. Mangle is basically an extra curse lol.
Mangle could be deal 10 damage, -10 strength at 2 cost and it would be fair. At 3 they clearly saw it as "Ironclad Sly" card with one enabler, you're not supposed to play it for 3 but for free, then it becomes good
>A5 on all characters>Except NecroShe's so boring.
>>736809859Let's not even pretend dark shackles exists otherwise mangletard is going to kill himself.
it's kind of fucked up and evil that a relic like the discount card even exists in shops because you can never ever buy it when it actually matters.they should just make the shop buying cards and potions only because that is clearly all they want you to actually do there.even if you only visit once per act you are not affording those relics.
>>736810068Shackles is colorless in 2 though>>736810137Membership card should've been removed from the shop like they removed all the gold gaining relics that would never pay for themselves
>>736810137the membership card can be run winningyou can easily afford it if you took greed btwor just don't go to every shop in existence and simply save up to 300-400 before you go to a shop to open yourself up for it
>>736810203Greed into membership card on act 1 is game winnin->>736810237FAG, i was going to say the exact same thing
I've been playing Ironclad only since some anon complained he sucks and I'm on a 6 win streak with a10 on him currently. Every game I find some new way to win. He's good people just don't know how to use his new shit yet.
>>736810203Shackles was always colorless
>>736810269that seed is easy
>>736810345Alright I've posted the last 5 runs too. Winning with ironclad on a10 in general in easy.
>>736758305>OP as the watcher>the worst character in 1lol. lmao even
>>736810269how the hell do you win with Perfected Strike? Every time I've tried it going damage is subpar and there's no block because I need more strikes to make Perfected Strike not deal dogshit damage
>>736810269I swear some of the fags here just refuse to take Stampede or Cascade with how much they complain about energy costs
>>736810237sinking your money like that is just gambling.yeah maybe that greed and nonfunctioning relic investment might pay off later but it is a huge deadweight when it might just matter the most.at least you can restart faster.
>>736758730nob not existing in 2 means silent gets punished way less in act 1, you can't get randomly fucked over for daring to have skills early also feels like shiv builds play themselves practically with just a handful of easy to get cards
>>736810497That's a retarded comparison but silent is objectively the strongest character in 2 and has been for a month.
>>736810501it's pretty bad, you can take it if you need it for elites early thoughotherwise you can take it if you got hellrasier. you can also clone it and win that way if you manage to be able to clone every fire
>>736810497>watcher>the worst character in 1the fuck
>>736810564>sinking your money like that is just gamblingNo it isn't, membership card pays for itself immediately if you have more than twice as much gold as it costs, which is easily done with greed
>>736810618It's a very accurate comparison, silent and watcher both win nearly 100% of runs according to top players
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>>736810515I love both of those cards. Stampede would have helped that run I was often out of energy to play a 2nd perfected strike if I cloned it with juggling. I don't think I got offered it.>>736810501It was more of a strike spam deck than perfected strike. I took 1 perfected strike in act 1 just for something that would hit 20+. Tezcatara's Ember as my ancient reward starting in act 2 shifted my focus to spamming the 0 cost strikes with draw spam, aggression to return from discard/upgrade them, and juggling to clone them. After picking of miniature cannon and a little strength the base strikes were my main source of damage. Mostly just tried to pen nib on perfected or play them for 0 cost as card 5 with scarf.
I've had Goatse the last 4 times I've made it to the last boss. There's a 1.2% chance of that. I'm fucking livid.
I thought this was just a meme, but it turns out you can indeed fight the fake merchant.
>>7368108503/4
>>736810993What do you get out of it?
>>736810993I've come across him multiple times with foul potions and been unable to throw them at him.
>>736810919Wait till you get to asc 10 lol
>>736811042I got his entire relic stock, a rug that does nothing and a bunch of money.>>736811110I'm playing on the beta, maybe that has something to do with it?
>Jorbs picks wings to try out and fight 6 elites>oh those fights must have been easy>loses all but 1 HP on first elite>but game gave him fairy in the bottle>lucks out with stoke giving him right cards to kill Bird>gets second bottleYeah, streamer games are rigged
steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775241641472159/76561197997192985it's time
>>736810993>fakeHalf the time he's better than the real thing.
>>736811380steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775241641800342/76561197997192985jk I fucked it up
Yeah nah, it is actually impossible to do A9 on Ironclad. The new heal doesn't help shit with it costing 2 energy making it basically unplayable in most fights.Ironclad block is still completely dogshit and cannot handle A9 dmg.
>heres your rewards, bro.how do you respond without sounding mad
>>736811495joinable2/4
>>736811629Take cocoa and pray for bread in the shop
>>736811629I don't, I lean into my anger and make sure that bitch "granny" knows I didn't want a cup of a fucking hot cocoa.
>>736811629Abandon run unless you have the relic that makes powers draw cards in which case Cocoa
>>736811629wax relics are underrated, a number of them buff your run permanently even after they run out like the potion space one
>>736811716deck is pic rel btw
>>736811683>>736811629Cocoa can be salvageable with bread or icecream or if you have extra draw first turn or if you have x cost cards and akabeko.The other ones are abysmall dogshit tho
>>736811629how is cocoa bad?
>>736811772Cocoa and pray you get Void Form turn 1
>>736811839>draw 5 cards>have 8 mana>at best you end turn with 3 mana unspent>at worst you draw all block and enemy isnt even attacking. also your powers didnt get drawn lmao get fuckedit is bad
>>736811772That sucks.Try wax relics and highroll into something powerful for a boost that allows you to cheese a few elites. You have a nothing deck with all due respect.
I wish enchants were more common.
>>736811772hot cocoa easy. you're likely to get one of your draw cards turn 1 and you can make use of all the energy. turn 1 is the most important turn
>>736811629>Cocoa and Toy Boxthey're both great and you're a retard
>>736811042You can take his whole inventory for free and his rugThe rug does nothingI've never ran into the fake merchant while still having stanky potions in my pocket though
>>736811915you can call anything bad if you image a scenario where it doesn't work. more often than not, you get cocoa and some cards that draw other cards, and then you get a ton of card plays in on turn 1 and you're set up well for the fight
>>736811941Enchants and Quests are both undercooked concepts that can be real cool if they add more to it by release
>>736811915if you don't have card draw built into your deck by act 2 you're a fucking moron and you deserve to lose
>>736811629Cocoa's good with literally any draw cards in your deck at least, or if you have powers to set up.
>>736811772bro where is your block
>>736812074try playing above A0
>>736812074i do have card draw in the form of photoncut+ and guiding star-, i did think about card draw. i know its not that great of card draw but i havent been offered any decent option. i even struggled to find aoe.
>>736812103yeah... wish i had better rng.
>>736812178Then you take the Toy Box powerboost and dogwalk the act for more power. Tez is a shit ancient but you literally got both of her best options.
>>736812245The best options are brightest flame and seal of gold and this is not arguable
>>736812245>you literally got both of her best options.??????
Am I the only faggot that has never been able to make this card work?2 draw for 1 energy is dogshit, and it upgrades to 3 draw instead of 0 cost. In contrast all the other characters have way better draw cards, until recently, Silent had acrobatics as a common, which drew MORE cards and also discarded, which has synergies with sly, sly synergies are way more direct than exhaust synergies, for exhaust synergies to work you need to either have a power active or have another card in hand (not the card you exhaust unless it's howl from beyond) such as evil eye or forgotten ritual.The only time I've managed to make this card work in my deck was one particular time when I was blessed with a bunch of pommel strikes, a bloodletting, and an offering, alongside a howl from beyond and en evil eye.On other characters draw cards are an easy take as soon as the first act, for Ironclad, burning pact feels like it's impossible to take until you have an insane amount of energy sources and exhaust synergies by the end of act 2 or begginning act 3.Am I just dumb?
>>736812245>best optionsI don't see Guiding Flame there thoughbeit
>>736812306>Even worse Ectoplasm>Goodlollmao even
>>736812379No one who responds like this has had an intelligent thought in their entire life
>>736811772follow up: since the majority of said cocoa i went for it.also,>average act2 card rewardt-thanks.
>>736812379>"worse">still allows you to gain gold>doesn't even cost that much gold unless you're retarded
>>736812336It thins out useless cards and draws. It's God tier especially with stuff like Feel No Pain, Dark Embrace etc
>>736812336I'd rather have pommel strikes and pillage but draw isn't badIronclad can hit a critical mass with enough draw and a few copies of Bloodletting/Expect a Fight and powers to rip through 3/4ths of your deck every turn
>>736812379Seal of gold is specially good as Ironclad which craves energy usually more than other characters, but it can't be take unless you also have sources of gold, at least not in A10.For seal of gold to be good you need relics that give you extra money or to consistently be able to finish enemies off with a hand of greed.
>>736812336great with evil eye, great for bosses
>>736812025Combats should have a chance of dropping quests.
>>736812336It's a very good card especially with bloodletting at common. That being said I'd rather see battle trance 90% of the time in act one.
>>736812510you usually gain more gold than you lose unless every fight takes you 7 rounds
>>736812025There should be another option in the shop or a special map location for a library to enchant shitLike maybe just 1 that spawns per run in Act 2 or 3
>>736812336Burning pact is a really great card and would be better if ironclad didn't suck so much cock in this game. But it was an excellent A+ tier card in 1.It does almost everything you want to in a draw card utility.>Removes garbage from your deck>Draws cards (potentially into more cards that draw more cards and get energy i.e your bloodlettings and shurg it offs and battle trances and shit)What's not to love.The off part is that kickstarting your turn spending 1 energy feels a bit worse here because 4th energy relics are more unusual but they've given clad the forbidden ritual to compensate. But having Dark Embrace at rare fucks his exhaust synergies a bit, especially because shoehorning his energy recovery into conditional cards like forbidden ritual makes it so that you can get shafted by draw order more often which feels awful. So the scenarios where this card is as much of an all star as it was in 1 are less common but it's still a really strong card.I think Battle Trance has increased in value in this game compared to 1 for those reasons and Burning Pact is a little bit worse now.
That reminds me.
