Daily reminder: Rikku is canonically an INTJ.
>>736784714What does it mean?
>>736784898She's a whore
>INT:/>INTJ:O
>star signs for zoomers
>>736784898Introverted, guided mainly by intuition and thinking(against sensing and feeling), that's the Jungian side of the story.The J/P instead if about whether you are prone to organize/plan(J) or act in a more deliberate and spotaneous way(P) to deal with the *outside world*. Personally, I don't think there is actually a good correlation with Jungian rational/irrational definitions, so an INTJ can be both an introverted thinking type(+ auxiliary intuition) or an introverted intuition type(+ auxiliary thinking) for what's worth.And lol, Rikku is most likely an extravert as far her original portrayal in FFX goes, probably extraverted intuition type specifically, and I can agree on thinking aux(usually matches ENTP)
>horoscope but for pseudo-intellectuals
>astrology for retards
>>736785119>for zoomersthis shit was popular in 2010 already
>>736785119>>736785254>>736785323not op but why are you even in his threads?why are you like this?
>>736785505Yes. I've seen it being used on 4chan roughly in 2011 myself. Have been into it ever since, but to be more precise here: I'm currently interested in the original Jung's side of the story, not the modern MBTI takes. He makes it more about fundamentally different ways to interface yourself with reality than "personality types".>>736785547Gotta feel smart about not being flexible or detached to your thinking.Typical Feeling Type behavior! Actual Thinking types find any excuse to think about things.
>>736784714It's biologically impossible for women to be anything other than E-type.
>>736784898it's a way for the elites to categorize cattle.
>>736784714None of these characters are INTJ
>>736785547>W-w-why are you guys being so mean?Typical LGBT
>>736785910F-type*Or at least, even the man himself said the biggest difference between men and women has to do with Thinking and Feeling. Social behavior has little to do with the E/I difference actually.
>>736786190>thinking i have problem with people being mean on this boardlollmao eveni was asking what form of autism or obsessive mental illness would compel someone to come into a thread about a topic they're not interested in just to say shit?
>>736784994
>>736784714yeah that checks out lmao
>>736786220Yeah, my bad. Men think and women feel.It's been a long time since I considered MBTIshit, but you're correct.
>>736786929Honestly I haven't played FFX in a long while, but to me it sounds like a massive "what the fuck".If I were to type the party, I'd go with:ESFP for TidusESFJ for WakkaISTP for AuronINFP for YunaISFP for LuluENTP for RikkuISTJ for Kimahri
>>736785547They are mad because they are INTJ and predictable instead of being the special snowflakes they thought they were
Seriously though, how much of psychology is bullshit?Therapy is a racket for the Jews. but not everything is bullshit, right?
>>736785254>>736785323You at least have to answer a questionnaire for this shit, I never really understood the "astrology" comparisonOne is slightly more applicable to you specifically, the other is completely fucking random and based on your birthday. It's just a bad comparison.
>introvert
>>736786037How are they not? What are they then?
>>736786996Just reporting what Jung said, before MBTI even existed.Most men lean on Thinking(strongly) and Sensation(weaker correlation).Most women lean on Feeling(strongly) and Intuition(supposedly more likely if extraverted)Apparently didn't really notice much of a real split in introverts and extraverts going with his definitions(that have little to do with social behavior, for instance the extraverted thinking type is likely to be focused on his work, rather than interacting with people)
>>736784994you cheeky fuck
>>736784994Heh
>>736787130Ironically enoughJungian typology(OG) > Enneagram(Naranjo, with the sp/so/sx sub types) > Enneagram(the more basic one, but also including tritypes) > MBTI with letters(not 16p though, that's Big5) > MBTI with cognitive functions(yes, it's worse) > Big5 >>>>>>>> power gap >>>>>> labelling youself as DSM disorders for lulz > actual DSMJungian typology is weird because it's not any more complex than typing yourself with MBTI letters, but at the same time the claims are huge enough, way beyond personality traits, it's about telling you how your entire consciousness is oriented and specifically to which degree(split in dominant attitude/superior function, auxiliary functions, and the opposite attitude/inferior function).
>>736784714She's not. Cloud also got ISTP which is her wannabe soldier persona not his real one
>>736785119this
>>736787325You sound like you know a bit about MBTI. How do I cope with being an INFP male and being depressed all my life and constantly feeling disconnected and alone with the world and other people and constantly finding myself in a state of existential despair and thinking everything is meaningless and hopeless?a-asking for a friend..
>>736787868People tend to easily confuse the Persona with the type. Very ironic here, given these things both share the same source and you are supposed to know this if you do anything Jvngian...Thing is that your Persona can be nearly everything you want, though if you get a little too detached from your actual type, people can usually tell it looks like a larp. Like if a Feeling type has a persona that resembles a Thinking type in behavior, people eventualy find it odd that you seem too emotionally invested into your thinking or it appears to be too inflexible/happily delegated to authorities.
>>736788361It's hard to tell what's your real type if you are suffering depression, so typology isn't very helpful here.
>>736784714Kimahri watched Teedus and Yuna fucking in the lake.
>>736784714>rikku>introvert
>>736787147>I never understood the astrology comparison Because it's the same scam. You offer a benign and vague description under every category that could be twisted to describe literally anyone and the mark does all the work.
>>736787130>Seriously though, how much of psychology is bullshit?Most of it. Every few years, it gets totally flipped on its head and scrambled by a new edition of the DSM.There's no confidence or permanency to any of it. Diagnoses that would normally result in prescriptions are thrown out and revised. It's all just educated guesses and conjectures constantly roiled and and rolled over again.All "mental health professionals" operate this way, because they've been trained to.They follow along the traintracks and think they're helping, because they've never known anything else.
>>736788618That happens because western psychology seems to have rejected attempting to conceive a model of the psyche, and instead turned fully to the realm of behavioral observation and social/cultural prejudice, which isn't actually helpful to anyone and never explains things beyond the immediate need for you to be a "well-adjusted individual"(and by this, we mean productive for your masters).
>>736788568>fanart
>>736788798Psychoanalytics and -dynamics still try to build those models, as you said, they're far more helpful.
>>736788849Yeah you're right she's not on stage dancing to thousands of Al Bhed.
>>736788798Anon...I want you to reread what you just wrote.You think that instead of using the scientific method, people should make whole-cloth guesses about the higher-level organization of the brain.You're retarded.
>>736788442Well i take the test every few years and always get a heavily skewed INFP-T everytime
>>736784714What the fuck would make you think she's INTJ?INTJs are known to be very secretive about themselves, they have very low social batteries and they're usually smart (due to wanting to spend so much time alone, meaning they'll often hone some sort of craft through their innate curiosity and weird hobbies)Rikku is more of a ENFJ or maybe ESFJ (tho I'm not very knowledgeable about those types personally, and I haven't touched FFX in a million years) >>736785175Nah, ENTPs are all wannabe bullshitters and way too aggro and argumentative (literally devil's advocate; the type) /v/ is basically filled with ENTPs and INTPs and then some ISTPs and INTJs, and you wouldn't see rikku on 4chan, or online at all (except maybe on instagram or something)
>>736788993NTA, but the human mind is inherently impenetrable to the scientific method and other external, empirical systems of observation.There is no point in trying to gauge the depths of the psyche using the scientific method, as it's inherently impossible.Psychology is not a science, never has been, never will be and anyone who pretends it is one is a fool.
>>736788607>that could be twisted to describe literally anyoneSo any normie female could be INTJ? Kek good one
>>736788923Apparently based on Freud, which to be fair is already a step above DSM, for how much we can joke about the sheer degree of "ur mom".>>736788993Behavior isn't the only thing you can observe when it comes to the psyche. Back in the good ol' days of psychoanalysis, we were analyzing dreams, myths, religious ideas, philosophy itself, or even straight into alchemical symbols. All these things are thought up, and written by humans to represent something, you know.
>>736789198Also yes
>>736787130shit's complicated because people are complicated, the problem with generalising systems like MBTI is that it'll prove to be right.. sometimes, and sometimes even 'often', but a) self diagnosed typing isn't possible for 99% of people, most people are not capable of being honest with themselves in the first place, let alone when filing some online quizzb) people are fucked up, probably even more so now than before, and jungian psychology is all about figuring out how to put the average person in a box, you cannot put a schizo in a box, you cannot put a BPD whore in a box, they are, by virtue of being ill, broken individuals and thus it makes trying to generalize them pointless because their mood and reactions will be dependent on the moon phase more than any logic you could throw at them and c) most people aren't jung, and most people are retarded, so you get a lot of retards talking about something that's rather complex to understand but will use big words to try to get you to believe themt. one of them
>>736789246>Analyzing dreeeaaaaamsRetarded.
>>736789182>What the fuck would make you think she's INTJ?Because Square literally says she is in the new Dissidia game?
>>736789441I could say that clinton is a lizard, that doesn't make her oneLemme guess, they also said she was a virgin, and you believe them too?
>>736787130>how much of psychology is bullshit?If it's not Cognitive Psychology or maybe Neuropsychology, it's 99% certain to be bullshit.t. made the mistake of doing a Masters in Psych.
I'm a sagittarius and my wife is a leo, we get along very well thanks to both being fire signs
>>736789510>I could say that clinton is a lizard, that doesn't make her oneYou arent Square-Enix.>Lemme guess, they also said she was a virgin, and you believe them too?You know shes a fictional character that they own, right?
>>736789510To be fair, a fictional character can be whatever the author wants.Though you will have to admit at some point it's not a very coherent character and FFX Rikku is at very least extraverted under any definition of the term.I myself have gone on record of initially characterizing some OCs as one type, but then course correcting them into another by arguing certain behaviors were contextual or not properly put in the correct framing.Granted, at least I haven't turned any obvious extravert into an introverted type, it was more about whether they lead with one function or the other.
>>736784714So a pretentious retard that says sodium chloride?
>>736789748>>736789780>make character with blue hair>tell gaymers that she's actually blonde, even tho she has blue hair in the game>redditors come in going 'huhhhh she's not blonde tho???'what the fuck am I reading, shut the fuck upif you were arguing that she was something that's inherently impossible for me to prove or argue against, such as her blood type or the date of her birth or some other retarded shit, I wouldn't care, but we're talking about something that's very easily provable, being the author doesn't give you powers over our own reality, only over the reality that you created, aka if she's INTJ in spira because INTJ means something else then sure, I don't give a fuckbut fuck off with your pseudo arguments, this is meaningless here
>>736790172>>make character with blue hair>>tell gaymers that she's actually blonde, even tho she has blue hair in the game>>redditors come in going 'huhhhh she's not blonde tho???'
>>736789420>jungian psychology is all about figuring out how to put the average person in a boxHe literally said he doesn't want to do this with his own typology. Argued the actual purpose is a practical way to sort empirical material, serve as orientation in the sense of "this person appears to be more in touch with his introversion, and let's say Thinking, so the logical consequence is that his extraversion and Feeling might be largely unconscious and primitive", and it is helpful for the analyst to avoid all kinds of mistakes and projections which would be based on his own inferior function/opposite attitude(basically, if the analyst is introverted, he might be likely to misunderstand and depreciate the extraverted attitude, and thus extraverts who come to him)
>>736784714If you’re on 4chan 99% chance you’re an INTP so…
>>736790172My nigga I just finished saying that FFX Rikku is an extraverted type, so not an INTJ.Arguably ENTP imo, your typical type who dabbles into exploring possibilities and likes to experiment(that's even her literal in-game special ability), and very typically in fiction tends to be characterized as sly and somebody who enjoys finding exploits/loopholes.
>>736784714Why exactly to these attribute sets work and not others? Way I see it, there are unlimited possibilities to make a system like the one intj belongs to, just few people bothered. Unlike social group research
>>736790774MBTI is indeed not the only system of typology. Just a particularly popular one, especially because it tends to be tied with fictional archetypes.
Which cool dudes are intp
>>736784714This is so fucking retarded
>>736789420IIRC attempts to score the “Big Five” personality traits (openness, conscientiousness, extroversion, agreeableness, neuroticism) are considered somewhat more reliable than MBTI, with one of the possible flaws of MBTI being that it fundamentally refuses to label any negative aspects of personality. But I only took one Psychology class ever.
>>736789712You're laffin' but even though it's objectively fake and gay, it still unconsciously plays a part in relationships and self-identification. You can't deny it, if you dabble a bit in astrology you start noticing patterns of behaviour even in some people who appear to be extremely cold and rational.
>>736791061Not a dude but.Umi's Bernkastel is a pretty cool one, and we even get to see a lot of her inferior feeling.Rika herself is an extraverted feeling type though, not 100% sure about her aux, but tempted to say she would be just the perfect reverse of Bern, so ESFJ.
As much as I enjoy MBTI and jungian psychanalysis, I think assigning types to fictional characters is extremely retarded. Characters are too one-dimensional.
>>736791328Depends on the character bro.If I give you enough to understand their basic psychological makeup, you can type them. If I just write certain personality traits with no nuance, justification, or anything resembling an actual conscious orientation, sure, then at that point you are just typing based off stereotypes.
>>736791061>INTP>cool
>>736785119>results from a quiz of your personality>results from your say of birthWhy do midwits claim these are the same thing?
>>736784714Last time I took the test I got the "sheltered Disney princess that cries at reality" personality. INFP I think. What are some INFP characters?
>>736791553Not vidya but.The protagonist in the most blatantly Jungpilled magical girl anime I've ever seen. Granted, it's barely the only one, but this is so incredibly explicit.
>>736787325>Most men lean on ThinkingI doubt that.
>>736791935Wonder if that is still true honestly. After all, nobody said the Thinking function is inherently more biological or anything. Westoid(and specifically US) culture isn't mainly Thinking-driven, so there's that. Actually more on the side of Sensation which is partial both to Thinking and Feeling, but does strongly repress Intuition.
>>736791486ShikamaruLEinstein
>>736784898basically another horoscope
ITT dipshits argue over a basic cold reading tacticNone of you should be allowed to vote
>>736793095See >>736791542
>>736791935>>736792353MBTI isn't about 'thinking versus feeling' or 'extroversion vs introversion', this is the midwit understanding of it, it's not how it works or how it was meant to work, but the reality is complicated so it's understandable that most people don't go dig deeper than what's written on the cover of the book.The real deal is all about the functions and your affinity to said functions, everyone's feeling, everyone's thinking, but some people do one more than the other and interact with them in different ways, the T in the thinker types doesn't mean 'oh he smart', it means that the thinking function is part of his higher function stack; aka yes, the person will be more comfortable with pragmatic solutions than using his emotions to rule his life, but it's not a hard rule.INTPs for example are Ti (introverted Thinking) Ne (extraverted iNtuition) Si (Introverted Sensing) Fe (extroverted Feeling), this is what actually matters, and though it does in fact mean that an INTP will be more comfortable using his brainmatter first off to solve any sort of problem or simply live through his life, it does not mean he's smart (in vidya terms, everyone's got stats and you might still end up being born a wizard... with 1 INT, sucks to be you)Now, I've never looked into or delved into whether there's a nature aspect to typing (so, less thinkers in africa vs europe for example), but yes, males are more likely to be thinkers and women are more likely to be feelers (doesn't take data to figure that out), BUT to the point about the sorry state of the west (and most of the world, really), that doesn't mean anything because sensers are, always have been, and always will be the vast majority of people, thinkers were always a minority, we're just having a hard time (us, I mean, people that are terminally online enough to be on 4chan) gauging how skewed the scales are on that front
>>736787130if we are talking about modern psychology its mostly fake to rip off some people with some true psychology to rip off the restthey use real psychology to make people buy worthless stuff, get addicted to stupid shit or behave in certain ways
idk why Kojima was so obsessed with Big Boss when Snake and Raiden were so much more compelling.
>>736793504All this text and you didn't actually say anything
>>736793504Nah, that's the shitty modern "cognitive function" angle. Way ahead of you here, or technically behind since I looped back to just sticking close to Jung which is, as many people put it(himself included), a "psychology of the opposites".
i got isfj seems like a pretty faggot type i dont wanna be a defender just because i have the brain to care about peoples feelings while talking to them
>>736791061>>736791486INTPs can be cool, here's the cold hard truth about INTPsINTPs always end up gravitating around ENTPs because they find them funnier than they are, they find them cool because 'woah ENTP-kun has the balls to say X in public, I wish I could say it too', and turns out; you canINTPs' worse enemy is themselves, they're constantly gimping themselves over thinking that whatever they might say or do could be seen as cringe or dumb or whatever the fuck, that's their lives in a nutshell and what (more often than not) ruins their early social livesIt's all cope because of being scared of dealing with the consequences of saying or doing something and their poor social intelligence leading them to thinking that anything coming from them would be seen as negative (when it in fact wouldn't, any thinking is smart, even if it leads to stupid results every now and then, thinking is something people admire)
>>736793621I'm sure you'll come back around to it then>>736793598Oh no please approve of me, please give me a thumbs up kind strangerget the fuck off my board, nigger
>>736784714You have to be fucking retarded to put rikku with all of them there.
We have foids the ezmode and now they think they're le epic thinkers.
>>736793797>I'm sure you'll come back around to it thenDon't think so. Dropped that shit hard after years of dealing with it.Ever since I went full Jungian, things started to make a whole lot of sense. Starting both from what was his original framing/perspective on the whole system(e.g. seeing types as something that can change in the first place, or conceiving people who can just act in a way that represents their inferior functions/opposite attitude, classification meant nothing at all) and how it essentially boils down to:>figure out if you are introverted or extraverted first and foremost, given his definitions instead of social behaviors>figure out your superior function>that's your conscious type(we can also call it "Ego"), and the reverse attitude+inferior function is your unconscious type(close enough to the Shadow, but also the connection to the collective unconscious)>so for instance conscious introverted thinking Ego means the unconscious instead is an extraverted feeling type, of a very primitive, emotional, "all-or-nothing" etc. character, basically tribalism in this case>for funsies you might also point out there is an auxiliary function that's currently more differentiated and favored>but the only hard rule is that the auxiliary function cannot be the opposite of the superior one, so not Feeling if you are a Thinking type>both Sensation and Intuition are ok, both can be more or less differentiated, both can be called "auxiliary functions", there no such a thing as a specific "tertiary" role>no such a thing as a fixed attitude here because the role of an auxiliary function is to help building a bridge between your conscious and unconscious personality, their role is to stay in the middle of the main conflict between E/I and in this case T/F, they will switch allegiance depending on your own needs>for instance, when intuition temporarily pairs with thinking, then sensation is paired to feeling, but you can do the reverse too
>>736793797Can you make this post again but do it in 5 paragraphs and say even less than before?
>>736794729(cont. for the sake of)Funniest shit in the OG system that not many people know about is this, going to quote him directly:>To sum up then, the way is from the superior to the auxiliary, from the latter to the function opposite to the auxiliary. Usually this first conflict that is aroused between the auxiliary function in the conscious and its opposite function in the unconscious is the fight that takes place in analysis. >This may be called the preliminary conflict. The knockdown battle between the superior and inferior functions only takes place in life. In the example of the intellectual sensation type[this means Thinking first, Sensation as the conscious auxiliary], I suggested the preliminary conflict would be between sensation and intuition, and the final fight between intellect[thinking] and feeling.I've seen this kind of narrative structure a lot, I'm sure. A first part that represents the "preliminary conflict", typically the protags learn to integrate something here, or maybe recruit a strong ally that used to be a villain, or obtain new knowledge, or go through a character arc started by this initial opposition, and then we move in the second part where the main battle will eventually take place.
>>736794729Anon you're not a "Jungian"You're a delusional schizophrenic building esotericaWant to know how the brain works? Become a neurobiologist. You're playing pretend and reading tea leaves.
>>736784994140 IQ post
>>736784714>>>/x/Go back to your retard board where you belong
>>736796158Unironically the most INTJ post ITTShut the fuck up bitch and go be a serial killer or something
>>736796158That's just summing up what I read, didn't make any of this up.Also, that's a mix of psychology and arguably a philosophical stance regarding proceeding through the process of "individuation" through typical oppositions, not neurobiology. It would be more correct to say that modern MBTI shit is pretending otherwise by adopting the "cognitive function" framing which doesn't say much about the concepts of "consciousness", "will", "unconscious" and so on.
>>736785254>>736785323>midwits with zero pattern recognition
>>736796460Anon I don't care what you want to pretend your ramblings are. Take your meds.
>>736796549>see take that's not one google research away(actually it is since you can just DL Jung's CW/interviews/seminars etc., but still)>immediately dismiss as schizo ramblingsI miss when people on 4chan used to be a little more inquisitive and willing to entertain stances that aren't just controlled opposition or [other side] propaganda.
i am le INTJ schizo doomer zoomer boomer
>>736784714It's probably helpful when writing a character to have descriptors of their personality like this. I wouldn't call Rikku introverted, though. Problems only arise when real people see a glorified "which Friends character are you" result and assume it's a perfect predictor of how they'll act.
>>736796424More typically ISTP actually. Speaking purely in terms of general patterns, could not apply to this situation.INxx are a lot more willing to entertain this stuff, and occasionally ENxP too. Will leave figuring out my own type as an exercise to the reader.
>>736797227you're INFJand I maintain that he's still INTJ, ISTPs would indeed share that attitude, but only if the discussion happened in real life (where they'd just have to deal with), but an ISTP wouldn't be found dead shitposting in such a thread with no obvious reasons to be inthe wannabe 'I'm too smart for this, stop being dumb you sheeple and use pragmatism!!!' that you'd ever see on /v/ is by default INTJ, because ISTPs are probably stuck in one of the generals of the game that tickled their autism lately (probably one of the hearts of iron ones or maybe minecraft or stellaris or smth)
>divination but pseudo scientific and also gay
>>736797474>pragmatismBy default that's an attitude derived by the Thinking+Sensation pairing(also known as empirical thinking), you realize. Of course, that does not prevent a NTs from adopting it for whatever reason, but it's more natural of the ST types.As for the question of my own type, honestly a better guess than what I got last time with somebody calling me ENFJ. I mean, at least the intuition is recognized as the main function and there will be no need to larp having inferior thinking for the rest of the thread.
