Why did Dragon Age die?
>>736792813It didn't die. It was brutally murdered
>Censored elderly women and boring gameplayGee I wonder
>>736792813Because everything after Origins was dogshitAlso Morrigan is a whore who's trying to cuck you and fuck Sten right in your face while you're listening
>>736793282S-She's just joking!
>>736792813Because it was an experiment rushed out the door by EA and then turned into a nightmarish zombie franchise developed by whichever suckers took a job working for """"Bioware"""""
>>736792813Mesides Morrigan, was there anything good about the entire franchise?
>>736793282she's messing with sten because he's stiff as a board and hates her guts. you cuckfags are unbelievable
>>736793382LoreThat is, until it got raped in DAV
>>736792813>Why did Dragon Age die?she's wearing a bra
>>736793414Brother... You don't know women at all
>>736792813they abandoned their audience for a non-existent one. they did this 4 fucking times. it didn't work a single time and yet they/them kept chugging on. they shouldn't have elaborated on the ancient aliens and the evil spirits. that was a big misdirect away from the things that were actually interesting about the original game which were the political intrigues and character tragedies like connor and jowan and zathrien and king endrin. taking the plot away from things like that and towards shit like the children and the ancient aliens and le qunari was a big mistake. it betrays their intent to just not make a dragon age game and instead make a mystical we wuz kangs game.
>>736792813Casualiazation and simultaneously going full woke.
>>7367928132 was streamlined to the point it wasn't fun anymore, 3 had shit characters and 4 has terrible art direction and feels like it was written by retards who don't know how people talk in real life.Tbf Bioware's dialogue was always charmingly awkward but they really dropped the ball with 4.
>>736793414Haha yeah it's totally normal for your "girlfriend" to ask your male friend to fuck her and tell him that you wouldn't mind
Because it was largely an uninteresting franchise from the start.
>>736793282who cares, you should be ploughing Zevran anyway
>TheDAS, The Dragon Age Setting, was the in house name for the project>so that became the name of the world, ThedasBravo Bioware
>>7367928132 had problems but the series really became unsalvageable when it turned into The Solas Show
>>736793930>The Solas ShowAlso known as the Cuck Tale
>>736792813I didn't play Inquisition because I wouldn't ever be on the side of Inquisition. I don't burn women.Veilguard because of the tranny stuff. I don't see that as innocent. I see them as rapists, experimenters. Students. The enemy.Dragon Age could be good if focusing on the champion and Morrigan. Controls using L2, R2 and sticks exclusively.What it's like after saving the world.
>>736792813Because it became popular with women
>>736792813the suits rushed DA2 out the door before it was fully cooked so they could cash in on the brand for the next quarter without thinking of any other quarters after that
>>736792813after the first game the incompetent people took over
>>736794272>I didn't play Inquisition because I wouldn't ever be on the side of Inquisition. I don't burn women.LOLI wish it were that kind of "Inquisition".
>>736794419All rpgs are popular with women because of romances and an option to play as female
>>736794272>I didn't play Inquisition because I wouldn't ever be on the side of Inquisition.It's an RPG you can do anything you want with the Inquisition.Although you said you didn't like the tranny stuff in 4 and 3 also had tranny stuff so still dodged a bullet.
>>736792813>little boy body10 years for the 4th game and then they made a awful game with awful marketing. Compare DAI views vs VG on youtube. its a huge viewer gap >>736794419bg3
>>736792813Because Veilguard turned it into a basic bitch action game with terrible writing that off-handedly declared that the locations of all the previous games had been destroyed.
>>736792813They started letting the wrong people make decisions after the first one was a hit
>>736794626>bg3Is worse than DAI
>>736794430"Before it was fully cooked" is a massive understatement.The entirety of DA2 was supposed to be DLC that they forced into a new title despite it not having that level of content prepared.It shipped with placeholder assets, MISSING assets, and a grand total of three battle maps. Every single cave, mansion, and sewer is the exact same map with doors opened or closed. They didn't even bother changing the minimap.
>>736794635Are you not entertained
>>736794673Nah. BG3 lets you brutally murder the companions you don't like. DAI only lets you punch them, and only two of them.
>>7367946643 is better than 2.>inb4 3 is pozzed2 is way too streamlined and the locations suck.
>>7367948393 was gross Frostbite garbage that fully expects you to use a gamepad, though. At least 2 actually played like the first game.
>>736794635Over 200 employees worked on this.. over 200. All of them looked at this gameplay and said yea this is good. Every single one of them shouldn't be working on videogames, fucking disgraceful.
>>7367948392 had themes and concepts I personally never saw in other games. For a product of 14 months dev cycle, it's acceptable
>>736793930>The Solas ShowWhy did they focus so much on this retard?The only way I can explain it is that they thought his interdimensional travel shit made him an interesting character.
>>736794945>Why did they focus so much on this retard?Because women, and Weekes has become the lead writer for DAV
>>736794945he's a elf god
>>736794932>>736794839I didn't play 3 but it's simply not possible for it to be worse than 22 is the worst game I have ever played in my 40 years on this earthIt hasn't a single redeeming factor. Every aspect of it is unspeakably lazy and incompetent.
>>736794945The series has always pushed elf lore to the forefront despite it being the least interesting part of the setting by far. You expect them to not make the latter half of the series all about an elf god?
>>736794976What the fuck do they like about him? I see them jokingly call him Egg, and it just doesn't make sense to me.
>>736794767The crow hat at least makes it a little funny, but that's a small drop of whimsy in a big bucket of tepid sludge.
>>736795043He's tragic
>>736795043>muh mysterious push-and-pull elven god, deep mind tm and sob stories includedIt's the same type of girls who are lusting after Loki
>>736792813EA. The first game is plays great and looks like ass, but the story is pretty nice.The second game plays worse, but not outright terribly. The plot is more interesting, but the writing feels a little worse. The game has a great art direction, but graphically looks lousy.The third game took forever to make and looks and plays like complete shit and the writing is awful.
>>736795043An ancient being of divine power going "you're so special, in all my eons of existence, I didn't think I could fall for you". Pile that on top of the whole "I love you, but I'm so tormented by my actions that I'm going to destroy the world" angle, and you've got some serious romantasy bait.
>>7367948393 is an enigma to me. They made a bunch of really large and pretty looking maps and filled them with leveled enemy spawns and radiant tier sidequests. It honestly felt like the game had two devs, one of them being korean MMO world builders.
>>736792813What do you mean, die? They made one game and called it quits. Not everything needs sequels, zoomer-kun.
>>736795176I'm still laughing my ass off that Weekes shoot himself in the knee by turning>you're so specialinto>"but yeah, I liked my ex more, even when she rode her husband cock while I watched, sorry"and>but I'm so tormented by my actions into>"I'm actually not over her, so I will destroy the world not because of my principles as you've headcanonned but for my ex's favor"He effectively killed any support he had left from the community by cucking the women he pandered to
>>736795453Which is especially funny considering that the pregame questions about the state of Thedas exist solely to determine if the player was a Lavellan shipper in the last game.
>>736795598Yeah. And he can only be convinced if you actually bring his ex's shard to him, otherwise he won't even listen to his new kekqueen gf
>>736795453Weekes obviously dislikes women. See how he wrote Trash
>>736794664move the first line slightly more to the right
>>736795453I'm still so confused about that shit>creates the Veil to lock the Evanuris away because they killed Mythal>kills Mythal himself at the end of Inquisition>wants to bring down the Veil in Veilguard to restore the world for Mythal>abandons that plan because Mythal tells him not to???
>>736794976>Weekes has become the lead writer for DAVI remember some fags on Twitter and Youtube being stunned>"B-b-but he wrote muh Mordin how did he fall off so bad?"as if writing Mordin is a major literary achievement.
>>736795891Solas has dementia confirmed
>>736794945Women liked him for some reason, so they pushed him even more until the 90% of the playerbase became middleaged women with cats. Turns out they're pretty vocal on places like Twitter and Deviantart, but not big enough to sustain a franchise.
>>736795801I thought Taash was supposed to be a self-insert? The dinner scene definitely had the feeling of someone copypasting their own coming-out experience, not realizing how combative and obnoxious they would have sounded to an impartial observer.
>>736795891Initially Fen'Harel (and Solas) was planned to become more of a 'really fucking bad guy' type of god, but when Weekes wrote the romance and he became what he is in DAI, the lore has shifted, and after Gaider left it shifted straight into the poophole. Even more so, he was much more of an antagonist in DA4's early drafts, the one that was developed in 2014-18, in which, perhaps, he had a better motivation that he has in DAV.
>>736792813no Lel x Morrigan sex scene
>>736792813Was she always this fucking flat??!?
>>736792813By having only one good game. It didn't need to be a franchise but the one good title was so good it carried it's legacy over multiple entries.
>>736796095She is. but Weekes also dislikes women
>>736795932Thank fuck EA fired him, honestly. Hope the guy got some reality check after that
>>736793282And she pussied out the moment he asked her if human women are strong enough to break cuffs and bite through leather
Should've listen to the Maker
>>736796373>David "female dwarfs are pedophilia" GaiderFuck that fat moron
>>736796447He's not wrong
>>736796169But anon, women can't have sex with each other. They need a man for that!
>>736796152I wish they kept him as a bad guy instead of a pathetic simp cuck
>>736796373He's not wrong although 4 dropped the ball so hard even the loud Twitter minority wasn't 100% into it.
>>736796373I will never hate gayder
>>736792813They didn't think people should like Dragon Age, so changed the formula to something more fashionable but outside their capabilities.
The Red Crossing codex entries in DAI were kino. I love the humans vs elves part of the setting so much
>>736793524I actually didnt mind cisquistion and thought it was playable. The biggest annoyance to me was the fag with mustache was the only interesting romancable character.
>>736794891>3 was gross Frostbite garbageWhat's wrong with Frostbite? Is it the ugly faces in DAI?
>>736796740cute art
>>736796859Frostbite was made for shooters so Bioware had many issues making it work for a rpg. Its apart of why ME: Andromeda was so ass.
>>736796169Morrigan is super straight and monogamous, and she hates Leliana and her religion.
kek romanced leliana calling my warden out for getting dicked by zevran is hilarious. She's trying to sound tolerant but you can sense her disgustThere's even a persuade option to stay in the closet (for now)
>>736796498Just give them fat tits like in Divinity.
>>736792813>makes Game of Thrones a D&D game>everyobe loves it>make GoT an action game>This is not what we loved but EA or whatever>makes a woke mmorpg single player>Wtf is this shit?>makes another piece of woke slop>everyone laughs
>>736792813Won't you believe it, communication issues.
>>736796590The fucking reveal trailer was enough to make people gag online. Then they showed the gameplay trailer, and everyone knew the truth, no matter how many early reviews reading "RETURN TO FORM" they paid for.
>>736792852OY VEY, delete this!
>>736792813it was killed by those GOD DAMN LIBERALS
>>736792813Because EA hates it. EA always hated Dragon Age because it was Nerd Shit, so they used it as a dumping ground for terrible ideas. Like trying to see if RPGs could be made into annual releases, or trying to see if Frostbite could make a third-person RPG, or the fuckfiesta that was Veilguard.
>>736792813They hired bad writers and couldn't make up there minds on what the last one would be. In the end I don't feel bad that it died bioware is a shell of what was its why they are making anther mass effect game witch you shouldn't expect it to be good.
>>736797358/thread
>>736796373That faggot is no better than the ones behind Turdguard.He was responsible for Cisquisition and the retarded alien elves.He ripped off Asoiaf to write the lore of DAO, that is.After that he smeared the franchised with his cum stained feces.
it was never a real franchise and drastically changed the gameplay, artstyle and even lore between entries
>>736797760I wonder how different the series would've been if it hadn't unsuccessfully tried to make RTwP work for three games
It was in a good place post Trespasser. From a popularity standpoint at least, despite the problems with DAI. EA's live service trend chasing madness is what fucked the series. It would have survived the blue haired devs, casualization, the bi polar game design the series is known for... But not EA's constant cancel, reboot, repeat nonsense because the suits couldn't make up their minds.Although EA killing Bioware is unintentionally based on their part, so good job EA!
>>736793282She only does that if you don’t romance her.
>>736793818>Lothering>Because someone went "Fear and Lothering"
>>736799578
>>736799578The game literally has an alternate version if you specifically happen to be romancing her lol
>>736793524The problem isn’t that they focused on quanari and spirits and the ancient elven empire, but that they demystified these lore aspects and intentionally made them boring to strip away nuance. They over-explained and literalized aspects of the world that didn’t need an explanation and should’ve been left alone. Now instead of dalish elves being preservers of elven traditions, they’re larpers with slave markings who don’t know anything and are all morons except for Solas. Instead of the Chantry allowing for mystery and nuance as to whether they’re genuinely doing their best to adhere to Andraste’s teachings or are more politically motivated than anything else, now the Maker doesn’t exist and the Ashes were retconned and they’re just a power hungry organization. Instead of Tevinter being an example as to the heights that can climbed to if mages are allowed to do whatever they want (as well as the costs), now actually they didn’t invent nor build upon anything and just stole all their magic from the elves because humans bad.
>Origins has pretty good writing>DA2 has godlike writing, it's the best part of the game>as soon as Gaider leaves the writing goes to shit and turns ultra woke >yet /v/ still hates GaiderI don't get it.
>>736800404Jennifer Hepler wrote the best parts of Dragon Age lore, but /v/ drags her for being fat and hating combat.
>>736800404>DA2 had godlike writing HahahahahahahahahahahahahaDA2 is the worst game I've ever played. It has no redeeming features whatsoever.The graphics are hideous, lazy, and literally unfinished. Multiple placeholder assets are plainly visible in town including actual fucking NPCs missing the sides of their heads. There is literally one female body model that is scaled and used for every female in the entire game. Your 80 year old mother has the exact same body as the "sexpot" (read: dumb cunt) pirate. There are a total of three maps for instances, one for each type of environment, and every instance in the game is one of those 3 maps with doors opened or shut.The story and your involvement is non-existent. Your character is a glorified errand boy doing whatever he's told to with no input or influence. This is especially obvious when moments that should provide obvious branching paths (LET ME STRING UP ISABELLA WITH THE QUNARI, SHE'S A SHITTY THIEF ENDANGERING EVERYONE FUCKING LET ME TURN HER OVER) let you do fuck-all.The biggest choice you get is whether to respond seriously or sarcastically.The combat was slapped together last minute and the kindest word I can use to describe it is "functional." Like DA:O the abilities and skills are designed with a heavy emphasis on party positioning - but since they ran the fuck out of time to set up encounters every fight is enemies literally spawning out of thin air in waves already surrounding you. It's also mashy as fuck instead of having autoattack because "press button do awesome!"The characters are some of the most obnoxious cunts to ever crawl out of a faerun campaign. Who will you take with you on your adventure!? The goggle-eyed retard elf? The turbocunt pirate that you should be able to lynch but can't? How about a gay terrorist?
>>736800643>>736800404What's that you say? You want a more concrete example of how bad the writing sucks? Ok!The elf's companion quest is some of the dumbest shit I've ever seen.So these Elves live in the forest in a hippie commune led by a "keeper" whose job it is to make sure the tribe doesn't get wiped out. Your companion with gigantic uguu kawaii alien eyes, Merrill, is one of those elves and a favorite of the keeper.But uh oh! Merill is a blood mage! She's in contact with a demon and if she's not careful the demon might possess her! What is a Keeper to do!?Well, if you're the Keeper in DA2, the answer is clear:1 - tell everyone in the tribe that Merill is a bloodthirsty monster that will devour their souls. REALLY freak them out. Get them so goddamned scared of her that if they are given the choice between running towards Merill and the party or the waiting jaws of a gigantic demon, THEY CHOOSE THE DEMON (this actually happens)2 - Sneak off and disappear. Don't tell anyone where you're going or leave anyone in charge. Leave these petrified and utterly dependent weaklings to fend for themselves3 - Summon the demon that Merill has a contract with. Alone. With no weapons or aid of any kind, no traps set, and no backup plan in case it gets loose and/or shouting at it doesn't work4 - ???????5 - profit!And the kicker? Your character kills the type of demon the Keeper was worried about in seconds. They're a fucking average mob by the time this shit happens. She gets her entire fucking tribe killed over the fear of a demon you kill 5 of on the way to the forest attacking Merill.
>>736792813Because it's a franchise without a single good entry
>>736800404they hate gaider for being a sassy gay and hating female dwarves
>>736800643>>736800723I agree, DAO is amazing, DA2 is shit, DAI is not good but is saved by an amazing OST, Veilguard is disappointing as hellOnly thing that coud save the series is a soft reboot. Next game set 800 years after Veilguard or something. Pretty much a reset. Build a new canon mostly. Turn it into a C-RPG experience (so just copy and paste BG3) with impactful choices, great characters and dark tone
>>736800643>>736800723The railroading in DA2 is so insane to the point that you have no way of stopping Anders from becoming an actual terrorist, which is something a player might want to do after the last game potrayed both him and Justice as sympathetic during their debut. Even more so if you don't want Anders to invalidate his own whole motivation of "We mages dindu nothin'"Even Greedfall, despites its many flaws, let you stop Kurt from betraying you even if it locks you out of some content. And that's coming from a studio that's just off brand Bioware.
>>736802065Your character in DA2 is legitimately too stupid to figure out what Anders is up to.He asks you to collect sparky boom explode rocks for no articulated reasons and you just do it like the good agency-less errand boy you are.
>>736802240He also asks you to go talk to the head priestess of the Chantry as an obvious distraction while he plants his bombs. Thankfully, you can tell him "No, fuck you, I'm not doing that" on both stages, but he'll still get the bombs and plant them offscreen somehow.
>>736802065Isn't Greedfall 2 straight-up Dragon Age Origins? They've got the whole RTWP thing going.
Dragon Age never lived
>>736802416So I've heard, but I haven't touched it because it went through development hell and everyonevthat's played it says the framerate is horrible and the writing is very bland.
>>736792813It went from being a cool nerd dark fantasy thing to a women and gays playing with dollies thing
>>736792813Leftist
>>736800213the blackpill was always there
>>736792813every other game they released under the DA name was pretty bad. DAI was like, half a good game with the other half being pointless open world busywork. so that's one and a half good games in the franchise, and if we take into account the rest of the fantasy CRPG space at the time even DAO was lacking in terms of gameplay and character progression. So one and half just ok games. honestly a miracle it lasted as long as it did
>>736793414>cuckfagsthat's what you are
>>736793490You're the only one who doesn't know women, retarded incel
It's kind of funny seeing the cycle>DA:O is out >mixed receptions but many people like it>DA2 is out, DA:O is now beloved>"this destroyed everything that made DA:O good, dogshit">DA inquisition is out, DA2 is now beloved>"This destroyed everything that made DA2 good, dogshit">DA veilguard is out, DA inquisition is now beloved >"this destroyed everything that made DA:I good, dogshit"Call me a cranky boomer but it'll happen to you. Within the next few years, veilguard will be a beloved underdog masterpiece and the next game is "ruining everything about dragon age"
>>736792813Dragon Age Origins was pretty good despite some of the retarded plotlines, really enjoyable experienceAwakening was a pretty mediocre experience but it did give us some more lore and some new gameplayDragon Age 2 was not only poorly written but it was overall a broken experience with a subpar protagonistDragon Age Inquisition tried to bounce it back to the Origins experience and overall achieved it despite most for the followers being absolute reddit tier retardsthen came Veilguard and it killed the franchise, thanks to woke dei and absolutely retarded writing and absolute shit gameplay
>>736805708The only true part was about DA:O, everything else you said is revisionist fanfiction you pulled out of your ass to bait people.
Not to cope like other Morri fags because I at least admit that she is by no means a fair maiden BUT...She is just winding Sten up. The only reason she's in the party is for the OGB dark ritual thing. So she wouldn't risk fucking non - Grey Warden cock.This is proven true by the fact that the second you make it clear that the dark ritual is off the table, she says "you're a fool, don't care if you die, fuck you, I'm outta here" regardless if she's your waifu or your bff, or whatever.
>>736805708>>DA inquisition is out, DA2 is now beloved>"This destroyed everything that made DA2 good, dogshit"yeah I have never seen this ever. and generally people really liked DAI on release, so much so that it still is the best selling entry in the franchise I'm pretty sure.
>>736805708>series gets progressively worse with each entryAll this means is that the previous worst game is no longer the worst.
>>736805920>>736806115>nuh uh the game i grew up with is the good one, the people before me didn't actually think sooh zoomers
>>736806352who are you quoting
>>736806352yeah, who are you quoting?
>>736806337They've all been rancid dogshit since DA2, and DA:O was nothing to write home about either, just a fairly fun short RPG with some funny dialogue/roleplay options I guarantee you people will be fellating veilguard in 2 years just like they fellated DA2 and DA:I when they stopped leaving public conscious as "yet another dogshit bioware release, where do they get the money from?">>736806115see >>736800404Literally within this thread lol. Call it revionist all you want, DA:I threads were full of >wtf happened to my dragon age! 2 was so good!
>>736795010It has a better story and kept at least some of the edginess from the first game. For all the shit I give it, I still remember all the companions from DA2.DAI is a singleplayer MMO. Absolutely 0 soul to it and they made the antagonist marvel-tier.
>>736806546>literally within this threadyou are taking a bait post at face value and trying to do a historical revisionism on the game that was universally panned by basically everyone on release. You seem to forget that DA2 gave us BOTH "We Want the Call of Duty Audience" and "Press Button, Get Awesome" interviews from the devs.
>>736806546>short RPGIt's like 50+ hours if you do the sidequests.
>>736792813They kept reinventing it. None of the game are anything like each other and it's just bizarre.
>>736806996lots of sidequests are easily skipped, like on my recent run I didn't bother doing every board quest for the mages and thieves because it was mostly "go here and kill X" or "go here and interact with Y". only worth doing for the material rewards of gold and such
>>736806737>if it disagrees with my world view it's baitexcellent, so I have no reason to argue with you because when I inevitably establish my position as the stronger one you'll call it bait>>736806996quite short for western RPG standards at the time
>>736807338>quite short for western RPG standards at the timeCan you give some examples of western RPG's released at the time that were much longer?
>>736806546If anything, Inquisition's reputation has suffered since release. At the start, it got glazed, but now everyone rightly complains about it looking gross and playing awful.
>>736807338you have no reason to argue with me because I actually lived the experience, and you clearly did not.
>>736807390compare it to stuff like nwn or gothic or oblivion where you can put in hundreds of hours to actually see all the content. especially in terms of rtwp stuff you're comparing it to some utter behemoths too. DA:O was very much a shorter themepark rpg
>>736792813Sequel was shitEA/Bioware dropped RPG to focus on cinematic bullshit
>>736792813Is there a mod to make her titties bigger?
>>736807624>gothic>nwn>hundreds of hoursque?
>>736807468And if it did happen then it was just bait, got you man.
>>736807729we're going by complete playthroughs with all the quests done right?
>>736807779Sure. Although NWN has tons of fan content, are you adding that to the count?
>>736807732on here yes, if someone is trying to claim DA2 has ever had a positive reception they are lying for attention. just like what you're doing right now. hope you enjoyed it while it lasted
>>736807931no I just don't get how you think they're not vastly bigger. dragon age was 50 hours with all the sidequests, nwn and gothic run you that much for just any% unless you already played 10 times
>>736807967Must be a comfortable position to hold, where no matter hwat evidence anyone could possibly provide to you it's all just fake and gay and you're right because "you lived it" (you are the only person who was alive for it so your word is ultimatum) I wodner why retarded faggots like you bother typing in a discussion forum
>>736808001I doubt you played either of those games if you think even a completionist run takes you anywhere near "hundreds of hours". NWN is about as big as DAO and Gothic is way smaller.
>>736796213I can't believe they put that abomination into the game. What were they thinking? lmao
>>736808061>DA2 is bad and basically everyone hated it must be a comfortable position to holdyep sure is. one of the most uncontested stances one could have really.
>>736808182not even the worst problem with the game really. the biggest shame is the total sterilization of Tevinter as a setting.
>>736808213People were saying the same when inquisition came out and now look how people treat it lol
>>736808182lead writer's self insert
>>736808162You are aware i'm talking about nwn2 and gothic 3 right? since we're talking of games released at the time I've been giving you the benefit of the doubt but I think you might actually be retarded enough to make that mistake right now
>>736792813Modern bioware and electronic arts are maliciously stupid corporations
>>736808925Why would I be aware of things you never said? I think gothic 3 is bigger but nwn2 is roughly the same. Neither take hundreds of hours.
>>736808835again, only here for the most part and most of that was because of the burgeoning culture war. DAI is generally beloved by most, it was the highest rated game and most popular sales wise. I'm lukewarm on the game personally, I think the main story is decent it's just buried under open world slop. There's more room for discussion in regards to DAI is my point, where DA2 is pretty straightforwardly bad. I can think of like, exactly one nice thing to say about 2 and that is I like the Qunari redesign.
>>736809073>Why would I be aware of things you never said? i specifically said: >quite short for western RPG standards at the timedunno why you think I would be bringing up games from a decade prior in the same breath as oblivion. You just saw a little gotcha and wanted to take it, I get it.
>>736809214>DAI is generally beloved by most,Thank you mr objective observer for this gem lmao
>>736809443Cause you said the title of those games and not their sequels? >why you think I would be bringing up games from a decade prior in the same breath as oblivionIt would be silly you're right, but not as silly as claiming DAO is a short rpg by the standards of back then or that the games you mentioned take hundreds of hours to complete.
>>736808375The writers claim that all the dead Venatori in Inquisition left a vacuum that let Dorian lead a liberal government into power over the next decade, but yeah, I have a hard time buying that the single most decadent and depraved nation in the history of Thedas somehow cleaned up its act in a mere ten years. And that still doesn't explain what they did with the fucking Antivan Crows, who went from a brutal criminal syndicate that buys child slaves en masse for their meatgrinder training practices to a heroic resistance faction. Last I heard, Zevran was canonically hunting them to extinction one by one.
>>736809634>It would be silly you're right, but not as silly as claiming DAO is a short rpg by the standards of back thenYou literally just admitted gothic 3 was bigger, nwn2 campaign is the same as DA:O "with all sidequests" and you never even touched oblivion because it's massive in comparisonfuck off you dishonest cunt
DA2 was a defining moment of my teenage years because it was the first time I realized that a media company had consciously decided to burn down all the goodwill they had built up over the years in order to be able to rip customers off one time. Didn't even buy ME3 despite loving the first two because I knew it would be shit.
>>736809532this is what happens when your entire worldview on the hobby is 4chan posts. DAI was a big normalfag hit man. It sold 12 million copies according to a former bioware dev.
>>736809748A lot of people were really excited for 2. In retrospect, we should have been asking ourselves why it was coming out only a year after Awakening.
>>736809693My argument was never that DAO was the biggest RPG, just that it wasn't considered short. Oblivion and Gothic 3 were both bigger, but so what?This is like saying that any action game smaller than GTA is considered small by the standards of the time. It's not how standards are formed.
>>736792813Because people who hate YOU want to take everything you love, and kill it to rebuild its corpse to be the Frankenstein monster that makes them happy
>>736809769I dont give a shit about what fotm normies liked, when discussing a franchise it's generally important what fans of the previous title think about the next entry in the franchise in the case of dragon age, people always are convinced the one they started with is the bees knees and the next one ruined it. Even DA2. Even DA:I. And veilguard will be treated the same, faggots like you will say>okay but it still had 2 million sales so it wasnt COMPLETELY hatedand use it to explain why veilguard was quite alright actually but this next game, Dragon Age: Axewound will be INCREDIBLY BAD AND KILL THE FRANCHISE!
>>736810134>I don't care about what normies likedyou kind of have to when we are talking about the general reception of a thing you know. and even big fans (in my experience) like me thought DAI was ok, with a few loving it. common consensus ranks the franchise as suchDAO > DAI > DA2 > DAVG, though those last two can flip depending on who you ask. Like you guys can try to do revisionism on the franchise all you want you will never convince me.
>>736796095>I thought Taash was supposed to be a self-insert?Weekes himself came out as nonbinary so either he wrote Taash for himself (which is hilarious) or he did it to shield himself from criticism and wrote her intentionally to be disgusting and horrible because he secretly hates nonbinaries
>>736809668it's just a bad justification to get around needing to write the game around being set in a place with a populace of evil motherfuckers. lots of interesting decision making cut, do you take on additional risk to your mission by angering the local powers by fighting the structural injustices of the land? no instead of the conflict being tied to Tevinter's society as a parallel to the elven empire of old, Tevinter turned around entire lifetimes of conditioning and systems in less than one generation and the main baddies are evil goo elves.
>>736810371According to your own logic, going by general reception, the ranking would have to be DA:I > DA:VG > DA:O > DA2 More people bought VG than origins
>>736811116reception is more than just sales man, though sales is a decent indicator of how people feel about it, especially when it keeps selling outside of the launch window. now you're just being obtuse
>>736811190You were goign just by sales just now too though. How do you define reception then?
>>736797000And DICE absolutely hated lending their engineers to Bioware to make the engine work for RPG's. They had to wait till EA had enough and ordered DICE to help them.
>>736805727People overrate DAI too much.The open-world-ish aspect of it is boring as hell, obviously a byproduct of the original MMO version of the game before the rebootCorypheus is a Marvel villain, keeps loosing everytime you encounter him. It's so bad that instead of having a final battle with high stakes (will Corypheus win), you just beat him and then he comes back because he's mad, that's it. At least veilguard gave us a real 3rd act.The gameplay is just DA2. All the fun RPG elements from DAO is long gone by now.The secondary quests are MMO-tier, no work done. It gets worse when you realize The Witcher 3 came like a year after.Only good thing is the music really. It's incredible.
>>736811424lifetime sales and consensus on quality mostly. DA2 and DAI had similar sales during their launch window for example, but DA2 sales quickly fell off when it became clear how bad the game was. General consensus is a bit harder to quantify than sales but in the case of something like DA2 it's pretty easy to know how most feel about it.
>>736811661Shitcher 3 is WORSE than DAI, DA2 and even worse than FailguardShitcher 3 is Balls Hurt Gay 3 level disaster
>>736811728>how do you define reception>consensus on qualityvery cute, but my question is by who? what consensus? what metrics?
>>736793524I'm actually sick of games insisting on explaining all their lore with perfect accuracy. Whether you like Fromsoft or not, at least they leave enough in their lore that you're allowed to wonder.
>>736811939there is no metric. there is no census asking everyone who has played a game how they feel about it. best you can do is just see from many different sources how they feel about the game, and extrapolate from there. even platforms like metacritic are flawed because of how slacktivism has turned a decent source of legit user reviews into a culture war circlejerk. But reputation and word of mouth can stick to a game, which is why this place is so worked up about most releases, they want to have their word of mouth be the dominant voice.
>>736795737I don't know if I hate the ziplines more because they're a crutch for poor level design or if its because you can just tell the socal zipline obsessed hipster tranny was behind the choice to include it
>>736812758So in other words consensus is whatever you want it to be personally to suit your argument?
>>736812949no because you obviously cannot make up a good consensus for universally reviled games bozo. it's IMPOSSIBLE to say something like>actually everyone loved Concord
>>736800723Merril is meant to be a character you're supposed to Rival alongside Anders.In fact the only Companions you're supposed to reach friendship with are your sibling, Varric, Aveline, and Fenris.The rest are retards and you're supposed to rival them.
>>736792813The only good game was Origins anyways
>>736805727Inquisition was terrible.Dragon Age 2 was an obvious rush jobs with good character/dialog writing. Best gameplay in the series.Awakening was extremely mediocre.Origins is a slog to play nowadays, baby's first RPG, story is a rip off of Tolkien and ASoIaF. Still the best in the series.
>>736812568this. for example the bare bones skyrim civil war quest gets discussed all the time just because of that.
>>736793282>getting with Morrigan as an elf boy
>>736792813Women and trannys ruined the franchise.
>>736813261>supposed tono? it all depends on how you are roleplaying your hawke
>>736800404>DA2 has godlike writingI was one of the few people that liked DA2 for what it was, but even I have to call out this bullshit.
>>736813605morrigan has tiny tits
>>736813921Wrong. The correct way to roleplay Hawke is to predominantly use Aggressive responses, and to rival Isabela, Merrill, and Anders.
>>736792813>DA2>DA: I>DA: VgThere have been dramatically more bad Dragon Age games than good ones.>DA2 wasn't that badIt was.Also, your tolerance for mediocrity contributed to our current situation.
>>736792813They stopped making CRPGs and started making boring romance simulators where you occasionally buttonmash your way through boring combat encounters so you can get on to the next cutscene
>>736814006>The correct way to roleplay Hawke is to predominantly use Aggressive responses, and to rival Isabela, Merrill, and Anders.Holy shit are you me? But honestly, Diplomatic Hawke was too much of a push over, Snarky Hawke was too tone death except for the missing mother quest.Aggressive Hawke really did fit him best, especially because of how the personality system worked where he had different voicelines based on his personality for the "neutral/choice" response options.And yea, Rivaled Anders and either forcing him to side with Templars or killing him is the complete version of Ander's story. Rival Isabella and Merril actually allow them to grow as characters. It was a good system, it's a shame they abandoned it.
>>736814221>forcing him to side with Templarshow do you do that?
>>736814584Anders' rivalry path implies that his actions are the result of Justice seizing greater and greater control of his waking moments and going more and more insane. If you have maximum rivalry with him by the time of the endgame, you can confront him with the consequences of his actions after siding with the Templars and convince him to make up for what he's done by stopping the mage rebellion he started.
Critics don't matter. 2 was great. Especially for Tessellation of rocks at the start, paving, pillars of Kirkwall. DLC of underground a grey warden or someone tainted with the dark succumbing was scenic. It was a pretty game. Armours and weapons looked good, at least for Hawke. I thought Kirkwall was the start of a lot of other locations, but they made it work. It was good for the time. I hope the good of it got across on console. Controls need to be pushing buttons instead of selecting abilities. Tempting blowing your load, and requiring that with timing.Lack of Morrigan was ok as it was about Hawke instead of the Champion. Maybe a Dragon Age V can have you as the Champion facing Hawke and crew. At some point. Not needed. Theme of losing all the time as the corruption claims you. Like even your encounter with Hawke just as a minor enemy. Part of a horde, blight. So they flee.Enemies on all sides and have to look after them all. Some better scenario, way of life for them. Some way they can grow to be better. A theme too that they are shit, all, because they don't have the ability or care, or Providence etc required. Weren't lucky. You've got Morrigan, at least as memory.Good graphics could help too. Lose regularly, saved by Morrigan, but do better so as to have a better relationship with her. More of you, more of you is what she likes.Prepare for hits with a button press. Maybe require being hit. As to have her heal you, or remember her. Remember some respite. Want it. Want her.Lose health with attacks. Attacks underpowered. Bearing attacks overpowered.Or by distance. The more into the hellish area the more health is returned. Like taking the corruption back.Or you're rewarded for going out of hell. Have to ballance going in and out. Like it centred around you sometimes. Feint sometimes where a way in and out is.Looking after Morrigan too. Maybe your only health loss from her. Actual or memory.-Odds=+connection.Hero=Deserve the girl. Damn self2sav
Sweet, a DA thread, currently playing through the series. Anyone had success running DAI through Steam? It opens Origins then thinks for a moment, then closes everything. Sometimes get it to work by changing Proton versions, but only once, then I need to reset everything again.
>>736814792i had max rivalry but i only remember me killing him.
>>736796213I wanted to say>shebut then I remember it's actually supposed to be a she. Holy fuck I don't know who's trannying who anymore
>>736814838Should be a way to bypass origin/EAapp by installing an older version and tricking it into running in offline mode. Mass effect legendary edition has guides for it.
>>736814916Did you do his Act 3 quest conversation? If you did, you'll get a special dialogue option to recruit him for the final battle, after which he implies he'll commit suicide.
>>736792813EA. The answer is always EA.A bit longer answer is the nature of the series. DAO and ME1 released back to back and despite both having PG-13 sex scenes, only ME1 is the one that got the spotlight in the news for it. That and it being a space opera Gears of War. That is not to rag on it, only that that kind of game was hot at the time. DAO didnt get the same kind of success due to being a crpg that "only sweaty nerds" play, but lack of voice protagonist put several normalos off it. You see this as Mass Effect largely went unchanged beyond streamlining for every game, meanwhile Dragon Age was attempte to pivot into being fantasy Mass Effect. 2 was rushed, but all the pieces were there and the design summed up as "Awesome button." Voiced protag, super simplified stats, barely any gear, could largely play without pausing, mimicing ME2 with DA2's strengths being it's companions. DA2 went up against Witcher 2 for fantasy game of the year and didn't fare well. Inqui was possibly the forerunner to Anthem since it was supposed to be an online game of some kind then quickly repurposed for singleplayer, if you enjoy offline-mmo then it's a good numbing game to watch a series to as numbers go up and you explore. Trespasser was a vitamin boost for those that still played for the lore. Veilguard had almost the exact same development history as Avowed: The suits wanted their live-service game, but change in management and vision meant it kept spinning it's heels until the publisher wanted something out. DA never got a change to grow on it's original systems and a remaster will never happen since it was made completely in-house and all the engine programmers are long gone.
Is there anything redeeming about Veilguard in the slightest? If I pick all the comedy options or apply a mod is there anything that might be fun to laugh at?
>>736792813The studio got infiltrated by people who hate us. It isn't made out of love anymore. It is made out of spite and for an agenda. It isn't Dragon Age in any sense of the word. It is "DA":TV.
>played a bit of origins but dropped it>played da2 (but not DLCs)>played inquisition (but not DLCs)>didnt play velguardthis is all like 10~15 years ago at this pointi wonder if I should just do a super playthrough of them all, including veilguard
>>736815001she's a very very very ugly woman who doesn't want to be a woman.
>>736815367Emmrich's questline is alright. He's an old man struggling with a fear of death, and convincing him to accept it transforms him into a sickass liche. Beyond that, though, not really. You might get a laugh from running around with the crow head mask in every cutscene, but that's about it.
>>736815448Trespasser is basically the best part of Inquisition. Shit actually starts happening and doesn't stop.
>>736814838https://www.nexusmods.com/dragonage/mods/5989 use this and just launch from the exe. get the patch mentioned on this mod page too, game only uses like 2gb of ram by default iirc and that can cause problems.
>>736800404Origins has better writing but DA:2 does have good writing. It is true.
>>736815217don't remember i think so. was a year ago. only played the series two times but i remember rivaling him both times. or at least close to rival. i liked that system because it meant you still had access to your companions even though you were at odds with them. any other game would just have them leave permanently
>>736814221Considering how much horseshit the game throws at you in every cutscene, having a main character who is completely sick to the teeth of other people's fuckery is really the only way to play.
>>736792813Short answer? TranniesLong Answer? Transgender individuals saw the series as a mound of dirt to plant a victory flag in and to use the series as a soap box to push their agenda.
>>736805708The concept is true, obviously. But Dragon Age is dead and DATV killed it.
>>736792813I think you mean >why did dragon age DEI
>>736814805This is hard to read but I think I saw you saying you want *more* action combat? You can fuck all the way off with that shit. That isn't Dragon Age. DA is a Real-Time-With-Pause game.
>>736816308kek
>>736792813>one of the greatest games of all time>followed by a sequel that's total dogshit>and another sequel that's pretty bad>and another sequel that's total dogshit>each one completely misses what made the first one great and just erodes the world, setting, mechanics, and themes more and moreIt was doomed from the start. It was the last truly great game BioWare made before the EA acquisition really killed it. At least it's a good swan song.
>People actually defending DA2 ittActually unbelievable how far this place has fallen
>>736792813When millennials started writing for it.
>>736815875Hm. You may have bugged out, then.
>>736816894Wasn't she the only one with an actual sex scene? And isn't she also the youngest?
>>736816894Good Christ! The horror.
>>736817028Youngest, yes. Don't know about the sex scene, since I wouldn't romance Taash with a gun to my head.
>>736792852/thread
>>736816943or maybe i wasn't 100 % rival with him?
>>736817194It's played like borderline assault. It's very weird
>>736793282she was obviously fucking with him you insecure social retards, just like she does with Alistair
>>736817323It's possible. Once you hit 100% on either Friendship or Rivalry, it'll lock for the rest of the game. If you play your cards right, you can get a number of characters locked as early as the end of Act 1.
>>736812568>you're allowed to wonder.Fromsoftware is all lore and no story. Even the lore is too fragmented to ultimately make any sense of it. You're not allowed to wonder. Wondering is literally the only thing you can do.
>>736813078>let me pick the most extreme example No but you can totally say shit like >people liked DA:I even though everyone who cared about DA:O just looked at it and thought >wow this manages to somehow be even worse than DA2
>>736809862>My argument was never that DAO was the biggest RPG, just that it wasn't considered short.No you chimed in asking >well which RPGs are long then hmmmm??? like a smug retarded faggot and you immediately got btfo by me naming 3, and now you're coping like>w-well that still doesn't mean...
>>736812568>I'm actually sick of games insisting on explaining all their lore with perfect accuracy. Whether you like Fromsoft or not, at least they leave enough in their lore that you're allowed to wonder.Not just games, Games Workshop ruined the 40k lore by explaining every single thing. I don't want to read about the Primarchs or the Emperor behaving like normal humans.
>>736792813Was DA the series that had pulling a Bharv or whatever? Like when you misgender someone you do ten push-ups or something?
>>736805708>Within the next few years, veilguard will be a beloved underdog masterpiece and the next game is "ruining everything about dragon age"woke franchise destroyers break the cycle.there's nothing left to love when everything is shat on and ruined
>>736816767They're right that the game is actually not bad, given the 14 month development cycle. Origins had what, 5 or 6 years? It's also pretty short, and doesn't destroy the lore. It feels like a (bad) sequel for Origins. Whereas Inquisition and Veilguard don't even feel like they take place in the same setting, and are bloated Ubisoft games.
>>736817928No, I specifically said "much longer" because otherwise it would not be considered "quite short for the standards of back then". You successfully only named one, Oblivion. Gothic 3 is like 20% bigger if that and NWN2 is about the same as DAO.
>>736818026Yes, in Veilguard, the last game. It comes from the name of a character from the tie-in novels.
>>736809748literally the same trajectory as me. DAO and ME filled me with such childlike hope and then the rot set in the industry just a few short years later
>>736805708>DA2 is now beloved>DA inquisition is now beloved Says no one but Biodrones.
>>736813469>press A for awesome>best gameplay
>>736792813Because they turned dark fantasy in a bleak world into peppy faggot representation.To the point that they overrode actual lore in a game with a word that doesnt exist without computers and added surgical scars to a world where you can change your species at will
>>736792813EA outright said it. They assumed people who already liked CRPGs would show up no matter what and focused solely on appealing dudebros. They unironically thought they would be able to have annual DA entries like their sports games. That mindset never fully went away and the games suffered for it.
>>736818267Imagine brainrotting yourself to the point you don't see anything wrong with this
>>736800404>AIslop>Retarded post
Morrigan is canonically described to have Chasind features and every Chasind in the game is brown. Morrigan should canonically be brown.
>>736819514not only do they exist but they're blaming you for the failure of it
Hey anon you look mighty fine. How about joining the Grey Wardens?
>>736792813The og team left bioware like 15 years ago
>>736819514Oh, it's far from the worst thing that game does to the series.
>>736818142>you may have named 3 examples b-but that still doesn't mean they're actually longerwhat is your autism dude? just take the L and shut the fuck up
>>736818135>Whereas Inquisition and Veilguard don't even feel like they take place in the same settingI haven't actually played either, but this is sort of the reason. I read the premise blurb and I'm like okay but how does that relate or expand upon the original story or setting.It's not like we didn't go into fade in DA:O, but now its' just some generic demonic invasion and the main part of the plot? How did we get there? It's not how it was originally presented at all.
>>736817764you can try with all your might but you will never convince me of anything. perhaps the more gullible will fall for your pointless revisionism
>>736818267>>736819514Fun fact: I've actually watched a friend play through this game (we have a bad game night) At the games end, you can actually cause your allies to die. It's a fairly simple "match their strengths" puzzle but we eventually fucked it up to see the worst outcomes of course. Taash, that's the they/them insisting blue bitch in that webm, dies if you do this. Turns out if a character dies they get a little memorial cutscene afterwards, a little RIP kind of thing. Anyway why am I telling you all this? Because during this little cutscene, the game calls Taash "she". It kinda does the "your gravestone will have your birthname on it" meme. Had a good laugh about this
>>736792813Too much woke faggot bullshit instead of a sexy evil witches.
>>736820290Not what I said at all.
Taash is honestly so disappointingHow do you fuck up a big warrior bitch. The quinari even have a specifc word for the ones that dont care about gender roles and just wanna do shit.....and the fucking devs still chose to do "non binary". Just why
>>736819742>blamingSo everyone is right-wing then, according to that screenshot? What's the logic here?
>>736820489>Because during this little cutscene, the game calls Taash "she".Oh my god
>>736820817yep, apparently if you take issue with any of their politically charged writing it means you're a chud
>>736820696>The quinari even have a specifc word for the ones that dont care about gender roles and just wanna do shit.....and the fucking devs still chose to do "non binary". Just whyOooh oooh I know this one!Because they actually got shit for using fantasy terms in Inquisition instead of using modern terms. It was considered "cowardly"
>>736792813Because they only ever managed to make one alright game, followed by solid dogshit.
>>736820817Gonna bring up a TV exampleAccording to a source that confided in a fat asshole from Milwaukee, Starfleet Academy, which was an amazing show full of hope and infinite diversity, only got an average viewcount of 40,000 per episode. Apparently the only reason it failed so spectacularly was right wing chuds were able to convince normal people and left wingers the show was actually terrible. Robert Picardo (The hologrammatical doctor from Voyager) said as much publicly
>>736821268>Robert PicardoBut I thought he was smarter than that?
>>736794767>Sunraku if Shangri-La Frontier was just another shitty game he played on a regular afternoon.
What is fundamentally wrong with Canada
>>736816894da was millennial from the start
>>736819745My brother and I have a long-running joke of Duncan in the back watching somebody do some retarded/reckless/unhinged shit and going "Hmmm" and stroking his chin thoughtfully as he considers recruiting said retard to join the Grey Wardens, as if their lunacy made them a good fit. I forget the original context for why we thought of this, because he never really does it in the game other than just being willing to recruit the player no matter what. Good memories, though.
>>736823929Why would you think that?
>>736824204>gets fatter, dyes his hair like a trannoid then looks like a 70 year old woman
>>736828459Please understand xhe has a revelation about thyselves when zhe wrote a troon character for DAI
>>736825854Thats practically every origin minus the Dalish one which is the elf touching a mirror and getting sick, so you counteract it by...getting more sick with the Darkspawn taint.
>>736824204Grangran's still got it
>>736820489Truly, the most magical way they could have ended it.
>>736820489Vid strongly relatedhttps://youtu.be/wizGq0WZitc&t=82
I finished DAO and II this year. I am struggling to get through DAI with how shallow the characters are, as well as how tedious the combat is. Should I force myself to finish DAI? Does it get any better?
>>736792813leftist propaganda machine decided to use it as ammunition it died for their causeRAAAAAAA I"M TRANS!!! YOU DON"T UNDERSTAND
>>736792813Should have died right after Origins.
>>736830992DAI is padded to hell, if you just rush the main quest you could probably beat it in 15 to 20 hours. Only Trespasser is decent but it's trashed in veilguard.
>>736830992it does not, they made the game in the form of an mmo for some reason and its just awful.
>>736793282She pretty clearly doesn’t intend to actually do that, she freaks out when he tries to reciprocate.She is basically just fucking with the stoic, like people who walk up to those brit guards with the funny hats that are supposed to be stoic and fuck with them for a reaction.
>>736830992The postgame DLC is much better than the rest of the game, but considering how Veilguard shits all over it along with the rest of the series, I'm not sure that I'd recommend continuing.
>>736792852fpbp. they raped and then murder this franchise.
>>736792813Bioware.
>>736792813>We want edgy Witcher/Game of Thrones audienceOK sir we can make a dark fantasy video game>Wait, audiences have moved on we want the modern D&D wholesome quirky chungus audience instead>But sir Dragon Age is already established as a dark fantasy...Who gives a shit, just make it happen.
>>736794673Only if you're genuinely retarded
>>736796152It's a damn shame what happened to the early draft for 4, it actually sounded mildly interesting and I'm saying that as someone that didn't like 2 or 3. They actually had a decent concept for globe-trotting and intrigue then they threw it all away in favor of live service slop than quickly tried to salvage something last minute.
>>736803967The writing wasn't as good as Origins but it's a hell of a lot better than modern BioWare, it's at least worth a try if you can get it on sale and have a hankering for a new RPG.
>>736796373Ah yes, david gaydar. The same retard who wrote both Juhani in KOTOR and Fenris in DA2; both of which exist to berate you and make you apologize for your “privilege” at all times.I think he also wrote Carth.
>>736818135"good for 14 months" is still bad
>>736834021It was painful to real post-mortems of devs who worked on it and said just how passionate everyone on the team was about it. And then EA said "fuck you make a concord sloppa for kids so we could sell baby griffon merch", and everything went to shit from there.
>>736800213I didn't want to see this...
>>736834316>make you apologize for your “privilege” at all timesIs this the same type of players who were "forced" to press heart icons with Anders? My purple Hawke roasted him on every occasion. He wasn't really against it.
>>736800213>big qunari cock, so good
>>736820489>we have a bad game night
>>736834375As much shit I want to give BioWare (which is deserved) EA has been the biggest fucking cancer on this franchise. First they tried to force them to pinch out DA2 in a year and some change which immediately fucked any potential it might have had then they forced them to use their retarded in-house engine which wasn't made with open world RPGs in mind which put a drain on time/resources that could have been spent on iterating the game. Then they forced them to pinch it out early just like DA2 but they got the last bit of luck when it came to "BioWare crunch magic" where they somehow managed to blunder into a success despite it all but that only caused EA to double down on their retarded ways which all led directly to Failguard. So many cascading and easily avoided failures if the publisher wasn't run by some of the biggest retards imaginable. AND THEY DID THE SAME FUCKING SHIT TO MASS EFFECT AT THE SAME TIME. Goddamn I hate EA so fucking much.
>>736830992I played 2 and noped out of the franchise, same with ME. Anybody who subjected themselves to that crap over 10 years ago is a sadist.
>>736834698Remember that EA thought Anthem was a good idea. I have no idea how delusional you should be to expect stupid decisions like this to bring profit.
Bioware needs a spiritual successor
>>736834470If you play as a Mage, you must at all times be apologetic and tell him how sorry you are for being a mage and tickle his balls or he gets upset.
>>736835014Is this your headcanon talking or did you just pick some pussy lines not to anger him?
>>736834316It was more that Fenris is edgy from the slavery origin. You can roast him or reason with him or even just let him be mad. Or hell, just don't help a mage once in a while, they're retards. >>736835014kek, or you were self inserting as a Mage so hard that you took it personally.
>>736835014You don't have to do that though
I never played Veilguard but according to my friend the game practically cucks you.Like he was trying to romance that mage chick, but he had the assassin guy in the party and they had more flirts and banter with better chemistry with each other than the actual romance with the player character.Its like the writers wrote their characters getting together first and realized they had to add the player's romances afterwards.
>>736820489Holy fucking shit, that's good.
>>736835726It's the truth. The same goes for girls and fags who romanced that assassin guy. It's "fuck yeah" vs "I can probably settle for this" situation, cringe as fuck.
I don't understand why can't western devs comprehend that players of both sexes hate cuckolding with passion. There are no benefits of adding it to your game unless you are somehow obsessed with it. The literal opposite of ego-stroking.
>>736836207They all come from fanfictions background so they will write their OTP and the player is just an afterthought
>>736792813>Why did Dragon Age die?Because only the first game was any good.
>>736836471Aren't most fanfictions "Self-insert OC/Char"?
>>736836207Been saying for over a decade now that all Commiefornia media is like this because of something in the air and water and food. Look at 40 Year Old Virgin. Came out 20 years ago but is about a guy settling for a woman with a kid, because thats preferable to virginity.
>>736834795Anthem was BioWare's idea and it was some random EA executive that made them salvage the only good mechanic in that game. EA is absolutely demonic and deserves to be raked over the coals, but BioWare post-EA acquisition is plenty retarded on their own. It's very common for shit studios to blame all of their failings on publishers or nebulous "upper management" to try to absolve themselves of their own poor decisions. BioWare only got as awful as it is because of both EA and BioWare itself being retarded.
>>736793414Yeah, she's obviously fucking with him because she thinks it's funny to annoy him, and then immediately backs out when he starts fucking with her back.
>>736835726That kind of shit didn't happen for me when I chose her, but it also felt like there was no romance until the last hour of the game. I think there were one flirtatious scene before then and that was all. I don't know if its because shes supposed to be some professional or if thats just how the game is. I've seen lots of claims that the reverse is true though. If you're trying to get with the assassin guy, he practically cucks you with the mage girl. Something I did see happen was the retarded xhe/xer character sexually harassing the dwarf girl the moment I was locked into a romance. It was so fucking out of place and inappropriate that I had to laugh that it was in veilguard of all games.
Dragon age was meant to be a one hit wonder. They also made final fantasy 12, in the same way. These games are intentionally destroyed, but the ip keeps pushing out new games. It’s an ancient tactic, that’s how they kill the desire market. If they just didn’t make dragon age 2 3 and 4, people would be all over why there’s no sequel to one of the best games ever made! So dragon age 2 was really fucking cheap, which is my proof. They reused so many 3D models throughout the game that it was extremely noticeable and ugly. So when they actually just keep releasing shit sequels, it’s like a way to also cash in on the success, in a cheap way. Alright dragon age origins has some pretty impressive design work. Very innovative and creative and well balanced gameplay. You can see how bad they fucked up in awakening, because they didn’t spend the same budget. These games are incredibly costly and time consuming to produce, and likely don’t make their profit back. I’m not sure how much profit origins even made, I’m guessing it lost money though. So there’s like lots of reasons to do that type of thing I guess. Anyways yeah I agree it’s a cool combat system and one of my all time favorites. There will probably be another one day comparable to the big two. Another funny thing is both games have identical puzzles in their respective dungeons, as like an Easter egg. Because they were both made by lucifer, despite being completely different companies. Square and BioWare are different people, but both games have the same puzzle lol. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills sometimes.
>>736836207Lucifer created us here for his glory brother. He is the attractive and rich people, and we pay him our glory through jealousy. Lucifer was omnipotent already, and his glorious form was not enough to shake us like he deserved. So he plunged into woman after woman, and mocked our mutilated tiny penises for his glory. Lucifer doesn’t even enjoy the intense sexual pleasure he experiences with the actually cute young girls, (he gets all of them by the way). Nor does he enjoy the extravagant food he spends hundreds of for dinner, or the luxurious cars and mansions. He does it purely to experience glory from our pain. Our anger and jealous is proof of lucifers superiority over us. So he found a way to make his glory become real.
>>736798136That's backwards. They tried progressively harder to NOT make it RTwP in order to pretend it was in the same franchise. That is until they abandon the pretense in DA:TV. Proving making it action was always going to be retarded.
>>736800374Exactly. It is almost malicious with how thoroughly they destroyed every piece of lore they could find.
>>736802416>Greedfall 2I'll check it out. These threads always make me yearn for what could've been.
>>736802416>>736837463Fuck no bros, don't do that. It's not even spiders slop tier of bad, it's straight up trash. If you have an rpg itch, go for NWN modules instead.
>>736837587I want to play a RTwP, 4-party game.
>>736837784And? NWN is exactly that. Most modules have companions, too.
>>736792813A hilarious combination of multiple incompetences from Bioware.The first and main one was chasing the casual audience and dumbing down the RPG elements. Each game got worse and worse as it just set out to copy what was popular when it was getting made.The second biggest one was talent draining coupled with changing times that meant that homosexual writers were allowed to freely express their gaynessThe third and final one is the understanding that Dragon Age Origins was only as good as it was due to unique circumstances, one of them being the fact that it was made to stand on its own. A DA sequence would always fall short of it.
>>736805708>>DA:O is out>>mixed receptions but many people like itIt had pretty great reception and sold very well.You're also retarded because none of that happened. DA2 was poorly received at the time and only got a an improved image years after Inquisition was already out, and Cisiquisition itself was very positively received at the start, only for people to criticize it more and more once the "at least it's not DA2" feeling dissipated.
>>736838885The bad reception also was mostly about the combat people did not understand. Mages were hilariously OP and melee classes required positioning that people did not realize.
>>736802416Fuck you. You didn't tell me this was a Type1/Type2 game. How can I expect anything good from this?
>>736840627If you have to play, better try 1
>>736834316You can just rival him? My mage Hawke>told him I want to use my magic to gain power>took pic related as a slave (wtf is that makeup) infront of him>offered to give him back to slavers in act 2>nearly gave him back to his rapist master in act 3 before saying lol just kidding>emotionally abused him in every conversation, telling him he'll always be a slaveNone of these things broke the romance and all gave me delicious rivalry points
>>736842134Fenris is a sub bitch, he revels in rivalry. Once fucked in the ass - forever a pussy.
>>736842195I think it's a male elf thing. They're like the asian males of the setting, they act out and don't know what to do without a strong male human keeping them in check
>>736842402True. No wonder Mythal has been choosing only human vessels for herself, she knows exactly what kind of men elv*s are. Elven girls all lust after human cocks, see Ferelden royal dynasty.
>>736792813Origins put a shitload of resources into developing different possible, uhh... origins for your characters with you picking different races and backgrounds and experiencing different stories and then sends you out into the world. 2 did that thing where you start at the last fight and then lets you choose your sex and then sends you through the same fucking places throughout the game. It was forced out unfinished.
>>736800404DA2 is the fandom favorite for a reason. I hate using this word, but so much about it is iconic and stands out more than anything from the other games.
>>736794272inquisition was a great game. i liked the areas, the combat, the secrets, dragon hunting, the itemization and the dialogue was decent.
>>736843403The meme potential was immense
I'd say purple Hawke was one of the most charismatic PCs in vidya history, let alone in RPGs. Utterly unhinged in the best possible way
>>736843692We didn't know how good we have it
>>736843652We can go to Kirkwall.
>>736843715Red Hawke was just plain unhinged
I wish more games were 10 in-games years long or so. Really builds up that connection you have to the characters and the city
>>736843769HOLY SHIT TITSWALL
>>736843692>Button mashing? >Action? DA2 isn't an action game it is still RTwP. Genuinely what the fuck are you talking about button mashing?
>>736796152As much as Gaider had some absolute dogshit opinions, he at least seems to have kept some of the worst offenders on a short leash while he was leading development.
>>736844370At release it didn't have autoattack and you had to smash a button to attack.
>>736844370Bait and Switch being used as an example of a bad quest doesn't really work either
I just want to say that Sacred Ashes is the best part of Origins.
>>736805708only the first game was good cranky kong
>>736844494Remember when Andraste wasn't connected to elven lore? Yeah...
>>736844470By his own admission, he had already lost full control in DAI e.g. Envy Demon Leliana seducing the Inquisitor being scrapped because it was "problematic".
>>736792813DA:I's DLC almost made it seem like trannies and their allies were able to put their retardation aside to make a neat game. DA was a rollercoaster that started very high, went very low, started going back up again and then just ended with a cliff with a toxic lava pit at the bottom. That they also pulled Morrigan into that final abomination of a game was a ciminal offense. I still didn't finish it, never will
>>736811661Ther are like 3 memorable tracks in all of Inquisition, the fuck are you talking about.
>>736814006>rivaling MerrillIt's kinda funny to me there are still people who think Merrill was wrong, when the biggest retard in her story is Marethari herself.
Dawn will come
>>736844716At least 2 of those 3 are in Trespasser because Morris knew how shit he was in the main game and was desperately trying to get called back for the next game (it failed)
>>736844770RAISE IT HIGH
>>736844770
>>736844761Yep. Skilled people like Morrigan can work with Demons, similarly Merril was handling it right and just talking to it instead of making deals.
>>736844834The fact that they patched this shot out after it was getting memed on just made it even funnier
Cory as the Inquisition villain makes a lot more sense if Hawke returned as the protagonist
>>736844716NTA but bard songs still resurface in my mind from time to time
(You) now remember that video of Cullen's VA where he talks about burgeroid politics in character
>>736844903>make Cory conflict Hawke's>make Solas conflict Inquisitor's>alternatively, screw everything and make 4 DA games with HoF as a protagIt's that simple
>>736844471That sounds like bullshit. I played it on console back in the day and I don't remember that.
>>736844952I never forgot, I watch it routinely for lols https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tobaFRUCc2Q
>>736844903No, we needed a new Dragon Age Origins 2. It takes place a century later and it is another Blight. It has Origins and the MC is a Grey Warden
>>736844952I wonder how's the guy doing. Last time I checked, he went missing and successfully returned to his family with a diagnosis. But that was a decade ago
>>736844982My sides
I'll give Greg Ellis one thing, it certainly was sus that Mark Darrah and Casey Hudson both "resigned" on the same day.
I didnt touch the series after Origins, but did the tranny Qunari really get played off as "normal" and not a complete absurdity?Sounds fucking outrageous with how strict the Qun society is which really just pisses me off.>Yeah we got the equivalent to an Islamic Nazi Caliphate with a rigid class structure but we respect transfolks
>>736845007It's a grand dream we share.
>>736792813Lead Writer became too dissilusioned with what BioWare was becoming and quit. I even saw him bicker about LGBT group identity politics once, but of course the woke mob went after him and he backpedalled immediately. (He is gay himself)
>>736792813Bioware wasted 10 years of EA's time and money to deliver a piece of shit. After Andromeda and Anthem, they're lucky only the DA team was fired. Mass Effect 5 will complete the quartet of failure and finish the rest off.
>>736814805What manner of AI or bot or schizo is this
>>736846584Clearly a bot. Dead 4chan theory is real
>>736793282DA2 is amazing though, and of the best games ever made. Name another RPG that isn't about stopping the big bad. Name another RPG that takes place in a city over years and years and focuses on the player survivng and making ends meet as a refugee instead of le cool adventure. Name another RPG where your companions have their own lives and their differences culminate in a fight to the death instead of le epic speech about our putting differences aside for the greater good!Da2 is rushed but pure kino. The fact that normies and redditors shit on it due to the "recycled" areas while ignoring everything great about it only further cements its status as a flawed masterpiece
>>736792813Cause literal faggots had to make a statement about how oppressed they are through dragon age's new game.
>>736846994>and their differences culminate in a fight to the deathLiterally only Sebastian does that with Anders, nobody else actually cares. And Sebastian is barely a character to begin with.
>>736834316At no point are you forced to apologize to Fenris lmao. You can even sell that nigga back to his old master just cause you can (take Anders along for extra luls cause he just celebrates it). Imagine modern BioWare trying to write something like that.
>>736846994no
>>736846994>Name another RPG where your companions have their own lives and their differences culminate in a fight to the death instead of le epic speech about our putting differences aside for the greater good!Every single companion but two (and the dog) in DA:O have a condition where they try to kill you (or you have to kill them) if you do something they disagree with. The two exceptions will instead just abandon the party. And there's plenty of CRPGs with party infighting and party members turning on you or each other based on decisions. That's incredibly common, but DA2 fans have never played an actual RPG so it seems novel.
>>736844580?Andraste isn't part of the elven lore stuff. Other than freeing the slaves of the Imperium and giving them a new home and all that.
>>736844915Oh okay yeah those are pretty decent actually. I was thinking more actual OST. The only tracks I remember from base game are Winter Palace and Cory's theme. The rest are all just dull and soulless. Descent had a couple good ones and then Trespasser just knocked it out of the park.
>>736847442>he doesn't knowOh boy...
>>736805708>veilguard nuked the setting of the original game entirely out of spitethere is no way to continue
>>736847542? None of the games make a connection between Andraste and any of the elf shit. Not even Troonguard.
>>736844580Andraste was always an elven god, they just retconned which one she was
>>736792813Just look at this thread. Fucking zoomers calling Cisquisition good. "Its veilguard that is bad bro". No, both are the same woke shit. Both have trannies and faggots everywhere. I am glad its dead.
>>736812568I get what you're saying but Fromsoft is the complete opposite end of the spectrum where there is no story at all. It's like >>736817641 this anon saidso no fromsoft is just as shit in this regard
>>736794635>Veilguard turned it into a basic bitch action game with terrible writingSo same as Cisquisition?
>>736819742What faggot fairy tale do these faggots live in? The game was bad is sold bad hell it killed the rest of the franchise in the lore.
>>736818267Why did they butcher her mammaries?
>>736792852>im non baahhhnary>then sitting theyre in silence like "wft is that" before he has his tism fit
>>736844659>DA:I's DLC almost made it seem like trannies and their allies were able to put their retardation aside to make a neat game.The original thing they had going didn't sound half bad at all. But it was all scratched. But no, muh EA meddling is not a good excuse for what they did to the plot
>>736792813why did Dragon Age veer from dark fantasy to gay fantasy?
It's unbelievable how poorly planned it was a a seriesI don't care how much Gaider lies on Twitter about it, none of the lore reveals in the later game make any sense within DAO, except the "dalish vasallin is actually slave branding"The series manages to have absurd retcons in every single installment that somehow take away any mystery and mysticism of the setting while also not being satisfying answers by themselves.The fagginess ramping up is also one of the most obvious cases of how leftists can't be given an inch or they'll ruin everything.Origins was progressive for its time because it had a same sex romance option. That was it. The game still had rape, sexism, and it was mostly made towards a young male audience. But by bit any edge the series had was removed, women get more covered up, rape doesn't show up because even its existence makes fags whine, sexism can only show up as a PSA to why it's bad and now there're more gay romanced than straight one.
>>736848968>zevran
>>736848509>then sitting theyre in silence Im retarded.
>>736848968Old school gays like James Ohlen and Brent Knowles leaving BiowareHomos like David Gayder no longer having their gay faggotry put in check by societal mores, thus putting more and more of it in their workOut of touch executives and untalented devs chasing trends and the casual audience, and falling for the lie that faggotry is popular Growing homo fanbase in direct contact with gay writers that makes them pander to them
>>736849139>series had a blonde character in its first installment >therefore it's completely fine to have all characters in the sequel blonde, and talk about blonde hair all the time, and make quests about blondness.
>>736796825The good ones are always gay
>>736849110>rape doesn't show up because even its existence makes fags whineFuuuck, it was my biggest issue with Minrathous. Not a lack of rape exactly, but a lack of raw violence towards slaves and commoners alike. It was so sterile in DAV I felt like I've been walking around some corpo-approved sanitized district where you can't say shit without HR coming after your ass, with neon magical adds and magical leftie avenger squad, instead of a major city of strict hierarchy, deep history, blood magic and ruthless grandeur. Not a single bit of previously established lore left. Awful. What were they thinking.
>>736800374you just said the same thing i said but with too many wordsyou elaborated on itthe same sin bioware committedlearn to read before making a contrarian wall of text
>>736813996shapeshifter
>>7368431022 was meant to be a DLC for the first game, called Exodus but the was when EA had the we want the call of duty audience hallucination so the whole thing got repackaged and what our quickly in order to beat Witcher 2's release date, they were threatened by CDPR after letting them use their aurora engine and they came up with a better game. They added tits to inquisition because the Witcher had tits too>>736843403>>736843462Look what happened to this series, games shat the bed so hard the anon start hallucinating that older games in the series were good. Absolute shit taste, boys.
>>736824204passive aggressive parenting today and a history of child beating
Because Bioware died. EA dragging around its shambling corpse won't produce the quality that it used to push out.
>>736849351They just lack the courage or the talent to express anything's that isn't safe. That's why there's no racism anymore.Anything that would require an interesting examination and drawing attention to something uncomfortable simply doesn't exist.A lot of things in DAO were structural and system issues with no real solution. Like, you could improve elven lives in the alienage, but they're still second class citizens in a ghetto. Delving into slavery and how much of it is fundamental for Tevinter society would never fly in an office full of homos that can't put a single dialogue of someone recognizing how Krem's situation (a woman larping as a man) is ridiculous
>>736800213People who think she is serious are the same people who think a girl is into them after a single compliment or joke
>>736792813The Bioware that made Dragon Age: Origins was not the same Bioware that made Dragon Age II or any of the subsequent games. Let it go, Bioware was shit longer than they were good. They were never the same after the EA acquisition.
>>736792813I liked dragon age 2
>>736850802There are things to like on DA2.If it was called Dragon Age Gaiden, and had more time to be polished and a few parts of its writing completely removed, it could be good.For example, the Arishok and the qunari are a standout, the philosophical talks with the big ox are some of the best parts in the game
>>736850623Spergs take everything literally and have difficult time distinguishing between different emotions. That's why they tend to fall in love with the first (non-ugly) who is nice to them.
>>736800213It's super ironic how the Qunari are implied to prudish by Sten's comments on Morrigan's behavior and attire, only for 2 to turn them into half naked horned tropicalians and Inquisition to state they're all free love hippies with late 2010s American coastal attitudes toward sex.
>>736850623Haha she jokes about fucking other men! Haha that's my Morrigan!
>>736851567Would you be okay with her looking at other men? Or talking with them unaccompanied? Her robes are also pretty revealing. Unless you're Morrigan is covered head to toe and left on camp at all times, you're a cuck
>>736851443The Qunari aren't free love though, they just have legalized prostitution, while simultaneously outlawing actual sexual relationships.
>>736850523Multiple dedicated fans have noted in their PTSD review that you cannot see the Good without the Bad, and I couldn't agree more. A lack of vileness and sin truly robs the player of any real moral accomplishment in the story. I don't give a fuck if you were bullied by your family for wearing a fake beard as a woman, or for being gay, or being a leftie pope - but I'd care if I saw a real antagonist, not moustache-twirling bunch of cartoon fags that venatori have become. I'd rather see more strong factions with different opinions that make sense if you listen to them. For example, you cannot simply free all slaves without destroying the economy of Tevinter all the way to the ground, and it is a real problem which Taashkin don't care about. In the end, all I wanted to do is to side with Elgar'nan and let Thedas burn, since I didn't feel like the world is believable enough for me to bother and it got brain rot Blighted to the point that I don't recognize it anymore.It's clear that the snowflake writers were repulsed by the very idea of writing it, they're too busy being obsessed about gender issues while people die and starve. Very tiresome, that we aren't getting actual RP options nowadays in so-called "RPG"s.
>>736792813hard to have a serious conversation here because /v/ hates nuance but i would say dragon age inquisition da2 had its problems but they were largely related to budget and time constraint, da2 felt like a game in the same universe, they kept a similar vibe, art style, worldbuilding coherent with dao...the identity of the series started to truly change with inquisition
>>736853453I've always said 2 felt like a bad Dragon Age game whereas Inquisition just felt like a bad game
>>736792813Studio would have you believe its because several years into development they had to change the game and make it into a normal single-player game instead of a live-serviceThe real answer is that everyone who made the other games good (or at least the ones that you liked) have most likely left the studio and instead some other people who are not good started working on it instead, if the workers are shit and have no talent, the product will be shit no matter if the studio have made good games previouslyThe things you like will never be seen again
Are you an autistic enough dude to watch the whole thing?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TWqYVxTpU0
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