Does modern day Sony have enough competence to release a product that would actually get people excited? I am talking about something like PS6 Portable, and a solid library of physical exclusives.
>>736799330Digital is the future
>>736799330Doesn't matter because they aren't competent enough to not screw it up by making the SD card some proprietary bullshit that costs 4x the price and can't be purchased 9/10s of the time.
>>736799330Yes, it will be epic. Canis is going to cause so much seethe on /v/.
there will be no gamesthe portable ps6 will be competing with phonessony wants that gacha app store cut
>>736799330>next gen console>weaker than the previous one lmao
this is dead on arrival. it should have come out a decade agoi miss when snoy was good but i'm not deluded enough to fall for it again
>>736800072i will be boughteding on release. Canis could be Team Asobi's playground!!
>>736800000Wasted digits.
>>736799330I am probably more excited for the handheld than I am the PS6.
>>736799330lmao, ps6 will be a low end pc like device that connects to the could to stream the games, it will be subscription based and you will own nothing
>>736799330It will just run android making its worthless to the next clone with slightly higher specs
>>736800197Dedicated AI hardware being standard on a PS6 will allow it to do more than most PC games for a good while because while it might run on all PS6s, if it only runs on like 10% of PCs it doesn't make sense to do much with it in a PC game.
>>736800494>dedicated AI hardwareTranslation: the game runs at 10 FPS so we gave you 50 AI frames
>>736799330They can't even support 1 console, forget about marketing/supporting 2. They also have a massive problem because tons of companies are gonna be busy porting a metric shitton of games to Switch 2 which will take years. I honestly don't even understand why Sony would risk it, Playstation, the product, is like the only safe money they have and by making 2 consoles they might risk everything.
>>736800709What does that even mean?
>>736800765you know how some tvs are like "120+hz" but its actually 60hz with sports interpolation? thats what sony wants to do.
>>736799330Despite how poorly the PS5 generation has been for first-party software, the hardware has been selling pretty well. People still like buying Playstation.
>>736800815Where's Sony's going, we don't need frames.
>>736799330>and a solid library of physical exclusives.It will play all ps4 and ps5 games. And 95% of ps6 games will be cross platform with ps5 and the new playstation portable. Probably wont have any exclusives
>>736800872and this is why next generation will be the most input lag heavy generation. imagine rdr2 but for people operating in slow motion.
>>736800494>Dedicated AI hardware being standardIts been standard on every nvidia gpu since 2018
>>736801029its a bigger deal because the AI hardware is also talking to the cpu and not just only the gpu.
>>736799330It seems like next gen is gonna be great
>>736801165Marginally. But devs will use ML more extensively since every platform will finally have it, after the new xbox and playstation releases
>>736800765>What does that even mean?As hardware increases, the shittification only increases to match inversely. Its a scientific law.
>caco still hallucinating consoles
>>736801346it will offer next gen parallelism that pc cannot do. directx13 and the future of graphics apis are all about parallel compute.
>>736799330The PS6 portable is just a weaker PS6. It's meant to be a part of the same ecosystem. Digital is the future, m8.
>>736800000you guys told me dubs were disabledYOU LIED TO ME
>>736801882Yeah just like Blast Processing and The Cell
>>736802539Yeah but forreal this time.Mark Cerny is ex Sega guy.
>>736801029so no console/steamie
>>736800836The hardware is sold at a loss. People buying consoles without buying games for them is the worst case scenario for Sony, literally worse than nobody buying anything.
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>>736799330>physical exclusivesplaystation never sold on exclusivesthey dominated by being the defacto box and thus all the multiplats would appear
>>736799330With a steam deck and others around? No chance.Their exclusives are trash, only retards would buy this portable for their games.
The whole purpose of a PS6 portable is that it's a PS6. There won't be any exclusives for the handheld, and it will be all digital.
>>736801882Damn you should work for apple
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>>736804364And it's still the most profitable generation for Playstation.
>>736804464yah, raising prices on your products and services tends to do that. Too bad it hasnt stopped them from shuttering studiosbut hey, now you get to pay more money for your online and console!
>>736799330>He thinks the handheld PS6 is going to have physical games.At best the actual PS6 will have them and likely optional if the PS6 Pro is anything to go by.
>>736799948this is the biggest problem. the massive game production times.
>>736804567pure cope. ps3 being super expensive didnt save that gen. ps5 is successful, anyone telling you otherwise doesnt watch whats going on
>>736804750>doesnt watch whats going on3 price hikes, 3 concord disasters, multiple studio closures, porting their li brary to PC, 3 games to the PS5's name,. and the CEO saying they dont have any longtime IPs to make games for?
>>736804880yes and they are almost immune to it because of how their business is structured. they have a money printer. they are not as reliant on exclusives as nintendo.
>>736804981>yes and they are almost immune to itlolLMAO even
>>736799330>Does modern day Sony have enough competence to release a product that would actually get people excited? I am talking about something like PS6 Portable, and a solid library of physical exclusives.PS5 Pro is NINEHUNDRED DOLLARS PLUS TIP for ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS in the US. No, there is nothing they can do to make the PSP2 appealing short of meeting 499USD retail with storage included.
>>736803957it will play ps5 games and be cheaper>>736804676ps6s - digital onlyps6p - digital onlyps6 pro - can use add on disk drive
>>736805043they are. how many companies can walk from blunders like that? their store was always there for them.
>>736804981>they are not as reliant on exclusives as nintendoThen why do they regularly spend a quarter to half a billion dollars on their shitty first party movie games?
>>736805135>walk away from blunders like thatshutting down studios is walking away?
>>736805084Nah, there's no chance they release the PS6 as digital only. There would be no physical copies at all for the Pro to buy and the only SKUs we know of are the handheld and the PS6.
>>736805149those were just expenses to finally beat xbox out of the market. the first party bundle makers arent on strict budgets as you can clearly see. all sony needs to do is win people over with a bunch of might as well have exclusives that you dont get on xbox and then said buyer buys all the rest of their third party/mtx/whatever on their store.theyre just a better xbox and thats why they won
>>736805262won what? nintendo took over japan and S2 outsold the PS5 by a a landslide
>>736805335once again, japan isnt as important to sony as they are to nintendo. ps4 and ps5 were highly successful with the vast majority of sales outside of japan.ps5 won the high end console market. the only other competitor in the space that sold nearly identical games was xbox.
>>736805414>they won by finishing second and Nintendo doesnt count because they just dont okgotcha
>>736805262Winning in a fight between two raccoons over the juicy garbage in the local dumpster is hardly a victor anon. They're hemorrhaging money. Hardware isn't generating profit at all and their operating income for the generation is only 13 billion (PS4 was 100 billion). Their games aren't breaking even outside of service titles and the only thing pushing PS5 over the edge in terms of profit is recurring subscription fees and downloadable content. They aren't earning profit on games and nothing significant on hardware. 90% plus is just from recurring subscriptions like PS+, 30% revenue share from digital sales and DLC. It's pretty grim. Xbox is dead but Playstation has two feet in the grave. They just haven't laid down yet. And with their move to pivot away from multiplats on PC I seriously doubt they survive the next generation. It is likely the last unless they've made some faustian bargain with the AI devils to create some high end loss leader console.
>P56 Portabileyeah it's a bile alright, aijeetbehold TRUE soulthe xbox 720
>>736805414>once again, japan isnt as important to sony as they are to nintendo.It is now, going by leaks and Sony's current movements. the Xbox era of hell is finally over.>ps4 and ps5 were highly successful with the vast majority of sales outside of japan.They were successful but western Sony pissed off Sony Group Corp. and are now being gutted to return PlayStation to its homeland.>ps5 won the high end console marketAt what cost? Sony realized their mistake and are now realizing that Nintendo and Valve were right. Now that traditional Xbox is dead, they need to make sure Microsoft can't get back into the markets in anyway. Nintendo, Sony, Valve, Apple, and Google have all made shields to keep Microsoft out. The future for Microsoft is the complete death of Xbox and Microsoft kneeling to every storefronts' tax.
>>736805691Sony will be fine, they're pivoting back to the PS1-early PS4, PSP, and PS Vita era of PlayStation. They're leaving the Jim Ryan era behind them. They realized that Nintendo and Valve will squeeze them out of the market, so they're going back to exclusives and going for affordable prices in order to make a fortress niche. Xbox is so dead that Microsoft is getting pushed out every market. They're going to find this out the hard way when their next gen plans go up in flames.
speculationps6 portableps6 will be 'ps6 light' (aka ps6 portable tv)ps6 pro (original 'standard' console)
>>736806074>so they're going back to exclusives[citation needed], and jason schrier speculation is not a source
>>736805149sony gaslit themselves after some games sold 20mil+ only for rehashing franchises again saw much lower sales <10mso now they can't be spending like funded by usaid
>digital onlyfuck off
>>736805414>they wonbut alphas are playing roblox on phones...
>>736800072>this is dead on arrival. it should have come out a decade agoit did, and it failed then
>>736806137It's not speculation, 1. he's the top insider with the most credibility, 2. all other credible insiders are saying the same thing. I'm shocked that fat ass, Jez Corden was right about this one. Anyone saying otherwise is cope, accept that Xbox is dead, accept that Microsoft will move on from Xbox hardware sometime during the 10th generation, accept that it's over for all things Xbox. Microsoft will sunset the "Xbox" name eventually. Microsoft was wrong about the future of gaming, they try to change it and failed.
>>736804464Turns out when you close all your studios and don't make games you temporarily make money. But it becomes a huge problem when PS6 will have literally zero games.
>>736807131The PS5 has literally zero games. So did the PS4 and the PS3 and the PS2 and the PS1.
>>736805531did people buying a box for COD and fifa consider a nintendo for mario? i doubt it
>>736805691ps4 was not that much profit lmao. that was revenue. ps5 gen has made more money than all previous gens combined
>>736799330I can 100% guarantee that the PS6 portable will be digital only.Anyone thinking it will use a disc or mini disc is retarded like more than the usualthink about it for literally one fucking second What a retarded thread
>>736807314>>736807131and yet ps5 gen made more than all previous gens combined
>>736800739But its still one console, retardwhy is everyone in this thread not understanding that its a ps6 portable, its like a portable xss to xsxIts going to be digital only too as there is no way they would make both blurays and mini-blurays or w/e the fuck for the same ps6 game, too much customer confusion and it conflicts with them WANTING you to be digital anyway
>>736807547It was not revenue it was OPERATING INCOME you illiterate nigger. Snoy doesn't release "profit" for their sub-divisions. Just revenue and operating income. Revenue is a useless stat for the immediate health and success of an organization (just an indicator of long-term stability since they are moving product). Operating income is the best stat you're going to get from these turbo kikes (corporations).
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>>736799330>P56 Portabile
>>736799330Price this at $500-550 and this will completely oblterate Nintendo. Its worth even if they have to loss some money on the hardware. Nintendo must be destroyed.
>>736807724When combined with PS4 sales, counting PS portal as a console, and including refurbished and returned units*
>>736799608this. the amerigolems dont want to own anything and are doing everything in their power to hand the keys of ownership over to their megacorp overlords
>>736808116Lol, the ram alone would cost at least $400
>>736808116It'll probably be $550-$600.
>>736808315More like $800 after China invades Taiwan.
It’s amazing how Microsoft, valve, rog, and every other prebuilt PC maker arent just pricing their models at $5-600 like sony will. It’s obviously something anyone can do
>>736808498Steam Deck is $550, Steam Deck 2 will be $550, what the hell are you even talking about? Don't include Valve in Microsoft's or those other PC companies' bullshit.
>>736808498Or Nintendo. $750 for the Switch 2 is ridiculous.
>>736808606The steam deck has as much if not less power than a Switch 2, and was phased out by valve. The second steam deck doesn’t have a price yet
>>736800765The same as "PS5 has the power of SSD, something never seen before."
>>736808685The second Steam Deck is getting an off-the-shelf binned chip, it'll either be the same price as the PS6 Canis or $50 cheaper. Valve isn't retarded like Microshit.
>>736808498Difference is that they dont get parts the same way console makers can
>>736807617game key disc
>>736799330no, the old handhelds were good because of their libraries, they are far too heavy handed on censorship for it to be any good now
>>736808993Its too bad that the Steam Deck 2 probably won't be able to just use the same chip going in the PS6 handheld, since Sony will probably pay for exclusivity. The leaks/rumors for the PS6 handheld point to the chip having 4 Zen 6c cores + 2 low power cores (for OS stuff), and 16 CU of RDNA5 graphics, which fits on a small ~135 mm2 chip. If those leaks are correct that would be a really nice chip for other stuff, even like budget thin & light laptops.
>>736799330It's ridiculous to try to fit PS5/PS6 into a handheld, Portal's the best solution as much as people hate on it.
>>736810451Doesn't need to, having the most efficient handheld is a win for them because they'll have the longer lasting battery. You need enough power, not full power.
>>736799330the ps5 is apparently reaching the end of its lifespan and it still doesn't feel like it ever got its moment.No, I don't trust sony to to that specific thing you want, because the truth of the matter is that making games just takes way too long these days. You can't market a console based on launch titles these days because it literally takes longer to develop a game than it takes to develop and produce new hardware. Sony can get devs their dev kits 2 years before the console launches, and the games those devs make aren't gonna be out until 4 years after the console releases. That era of gaming is dead, and I do not believe it will ever come back.
>>736811086>it's magically got more powerit's over all multiplat engines barely run on it
>>736811086you forget that Sony moves tons of third party, which releases often
>>736799330No Real answer Fuck no
>>736802453>More than 2 consecutive numbers Idiot
>>736811086>the ps5 is apparently reaching the end of its lifespan and it still doesn't feel like it ever got its moment.What was the PS4's moment?
>>736799330I am baffled by how incompetent these multibillion dollar companies are.>let's make a competitor against the Switch 2>it will be slighly more powerful, more expensive, but will have no exclusives and no physical cartridgesit's going to flop, Sony might really go bankrupt next gen
>>736802693Isn't Mark Cerny that guy who raped all those kids using the Dreamcast online network?
>>736811632He's still raping those kids, you just haven't heard about it yet.
>>736808606Steam Deck is not even for sale anymore because they would have to raise the price otherwise lmao (real reason is that now that the Switch 2 is out and can play Switch 1 games better the only use case for the steam deck is gone)
>>736811608Sony is pulling away from PC ports so no more gaems for PC peeps. You gotta get Canis/Orion.>>736811632Mark "Destroyer of PCs" Cerny
>>736811526ps4; the last of usps5; the last of us remaster
>>736811765>Sony is pulling away from PC portsnobody cares about 1 live service DEI exclusive per year (when you're lucky). It's just not worth the money.
>>736811086>end of its lifespan???All AAA games coming out will still have PS5 as the target platform. AAA slop games developed from the ground up for PS6 will only start coming out well into the 2030s
>>736811608switch 2 is winning with an underpowered pos with exclusives
>>736811841TLoU was PS3
>>736811842Have fun not getting Gran Turismo 8, Spiderman 3, Astro Bot 2, and Physint, PC fattie
>>736811909>>736811841oh right;ps4; bloodborneps5; tlou remasters
>>736811841Please stop spreading misinformation.PS3 - The Last of UsPS4 - The Last of Us RemasterPS5 - The Last of Us RemakePS6 - The Last of Us Reboot
>>736811960>PS4 moments so memorable you didn't even remember them
>>736811921Do snoys actually like these games??
I will buy it.
>>736811960>>736811976PS3: The Last of Us (Multiplayer included)PS4: BloodbornePS5: Astro Bot
>>736799330They need to release games.
>>736812176I don't think so.
>>736812176Why?
a new psp-esque handheld with strong 1st party exclusive support with cheaper cost titles without the bloat of modern development costs would go hard. i yearn for another console with exclusives that isnt just Nintendo
>>736812176seems like they dont tho...?
>>736811748Off-the-shelf chips are cheaper than Semi-Custom ones, they'll also have a choice between 24GB of LPDDR5X and 16GB of LPDDR6. The 2028 date is because it'll be more available than the current Steam Deck that costs a lot to make.
>>736812063They have to eat what they're given since they don't have a lot of choice
>>736799330Vita kino deserves a second chance, if its more powerful than the switch 2 and desk it will be an amazing CFW console in the future
>>736812410It's a handheld PS6.I do think it'd be cool for there to be a handheld system with say, PS2 tier specs. Imagine developers releasing smaller scale games in-between major releases. Like a GTA San Andreas Stories or something.I'm not sure how much this'd cost, but my Anbernic handheld cost me 70 euro and is already far more powerful than a PS2.Issue is modern devs probably can't develop games with such limited hardware constraints.
>>736799330Sony sees Steam Deck and handheld PCs getting popular and takes completely the wrong message. 1) It's not "we want a high powered portable game machine", it's "I want my Steam library but not tethered to a fuckoff huge desktop PC I can't take anywhere." Consoles don't really have that problem to the same extent, consoles can be easily moved around the house and you only need two cables to hook them up, power and HDMI. And there's nothing stopping you from streaming it to a handheld system or even your phone IIRC.2) People have accumulated huge PC libraries from three decades of PC games, and because many are pretty old they are ideally suited to low-powered portable gaming. PS4 and PS5 library is minuscule by comparison and so they all eat your battery. 3) If I'm going to buy a "secondary" gaming system it's going to be the one that gives me access to exclusive games and Sony first-party exclusive output is like 3 games a decade.The sweet spot imo is an android-based system that can also play PC games, so you get a streamlined touch-friendly OS that also plays games. Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 or Gen 3-based, take your pick. Ayn Thor is my favorite because it also plays DS/3DS games as well as lets you put a second app on the second screen like a music player or a movie or a discord call or a movie or whatever you want. It's the only way I ever want to play anything in the future and I will buy a second-gen Thor the moment it's available. I will shill this thing until you like it.
>>736811921>have fun not playing these flops I won't even play myselfthank you, I will
>>736799330>>736799608While the mockup looks ai/poojeet tier, I wonder how they plan on pleasing physical libraries. I have about 50 ps4/5 games and if these digital consoles can't play them I'm done and sticking with nintendo going forward.
>>736811901almost as if the games are what matters
>>736803686>The hardware is sold at a lossStop mindlessly regurgitating this. Systems in recent years have only sold at a small loss at launch and became profitable later on. Sony is a publicly traded company and highlights this every FY it crosses over for new systems.
>>736812934PS6 Portable will obviously be digital onlyPS6 home console will have a physical option if you want
>>736812756>Issue is modern devs probably can't develop games with such limited hardware constraints.The indies are doing that.
>>736812963the only consoles in the world being sold at a big loss are japanese model variants. that of which nintendo has sold 5m of losing an assload on each one.
>>736812994>PS6 Portable will obviously be digital onlyI am sure Snoyim will complain about this like they complained about GKCs on the Switch 2, right?
>>736812836>1then why didn't portal/remote play take off>3for normals ps is the primary gaming box, and pc is for work
>>736812597Vita 2 already exists, chinamen made it. Pretty good device but almost 2 years old, there's probably a successor on the way by now.
>>736812836>Consoles don't really have that problem to the same extent, consoles can be easily moved around the house and you only need two cables to hook them up, power and HDMI.Oh, yea. All consoles owners do that. >People have accumulated huge PC libraries from three decades of PC gamesAnd never play any of them. >If I'm going to buy a "secondary" gaming system it's going to be the one that gives me access to exclusive games and Sony first-party exclusive output is like 3 games a decade.Happy with $70 GKCs?
>>736813097Game key cards suck because the warnings make the game cases look ugly as hell, that's all
>>736812963razor/blades modeljust that coof, ps4/ps5 crossgen, crypto fucked everythingthe whole scheme only works by the 'nextgen' launch dash to 100m/market leader
>>736812934>I have about 50 ps4/5 games and if these digital consoles can't play them I'm done and sticking with nintendo going forward.So, no PC or phone gaming?
>>736813054>nooo how dare Nintendo do the same exact thing PS and XBOX have done for decades globally!!!!difference is that Japan is doing it the smart way>do it only for japan>now everyone in japan has a Switch 2>this forces the hand of jp devs that are therefore forced to make games for Nintendo consoles even if they hate NintendoThis is what real 4D chess looks like
>>736799330Snoy releases the retroid pocket 6
>>736813206I used to pc game, but I don't play online games anymore. It's all jap/single player games.
>>736813206these get a pass because i like gaben
>>736813054nta but you seem to have just described the console model in a nutshell... >>736813253
>>736812994Not a good idea. What if I want to play my games on the tablet? They're going to need some sort of authentication/ownership disk check.
>>736813126Anbernic is making one, literally called RG Vita
>>7368131081) Laggy and way too fucking expensive, plus movie games demand a big screen.3) Was once the case, less so every year. I'm probably being too optimistic but SteamOS and its derivatives are easily in a position for enormous growth if Valve can get more eyes on them. Combines best of both worlds. Also Microsoft apparently has begun an internal process of unfucking Windows so who knows, maybe in a few years it won't be a cosmic nightmare anymore.
>>736813409do the nintendo thing and make you buy it again
>>736813353Even in japan analysts are saying the "jp" console might be discontinued. In their forums and boards the switch 2 will "relaunch" in summer. Take this was a grain of salt of course
>>736813353they are not doing out of nationalistic reasons. They know that if they corner the japanese market the west market will eventually fall into line too. So they need to finally push Sony out in Japan.Then japanese devs will have to release all their new and original IPs on Switch 2 whether they want it or not, unless they want to flop in their own country.Western dev companies are in bad waters due to a decade of full race communism in their games, completely bankrupt both financially and creatively.Again, Nintendo just being smart while everyone is pants on retarded.
>>736813509doesn't even matter it's just discount for first adopters so the install base is large enough that nintendo can make money off game sales (they barely care about 3rd parties)
>>736813618For sure. We'll see what that looks like going forward. I have family and friends there and they say if priced like how we have it here, then they wouldn't buy it.
>>736799330>Portabile
>>736813132I'm saying it's far less of a hassle. I have like 20 cables going into my PC, not 2, and they all need to be in a specific port or it could fuck things up. I'm not going into it.Disagree but it's irrelevant, it's about the choice and capability, not actual intent to play. I do regularly go back and play a lot of my old games, for what it's worth. Currently playing a game of UFO Enemy Unknown.I don't know what your third statement means. Oh, game key-cards. Yes I think they're a great solution and I think people got psyopped into hating them because retarded influencers told them they were bad. It gives you the benefit of physical ownership combined with digital performance and the ability to resell your game.What I mean by "digital performance" is that you can't put an SSD inside every game cartridge, the cost would be prohibitive. Flash storage is the only economical option and it's not nearly fast enough for modern games. There are many examples of digital Switch 2 games playing better than physical ones. Getting mad about this simple reality is like getting mad at gravity. You can put a fast SSD in the unit itself, not the cartridge. Use your brain.
>>736813872>India... LE BADok reddit
>>736813946It is poomar
>>736813946>India isn't a horrible shithole, actuallyOk stay there, then.
>>736813902>I'm saying it's far less of a hassle.And I'm saying you're right. My friends and I move our consoles around all the time. Sometimes more than once per day. >it's about the choice and capability, not actual intent to play.Which is why the Steam Deck has sold 3x as many units as the failed PS Vita. >It gives you the benefit of physical ownership combined with digital performance and the ability to resell your game.Ah, Game Key-Cards are a great thing. What preceded them were trash. It's an improvement from those terrible options Nintendo offered in the past. >Getting mad about this simple reality is like getting mad at gravity.People are so stupid. They refuse to accept reality. Look at console gaming and look at PC gaming. They're barely half the market now. Mobile gaming is twice either of them. And GAAS games are also the most played games. Same with digital downloads taking over all other distribution models. But console/PC gamers will stick with their "physical" and non-GAAS games till they die. It's sad, really.
>>736813427Isn't it a super cheap budget piece of shit tho? Just like that shitass "DS" console they put out that Ayn Thor rapes and gapes.>>736813617They're doing it to prevent scalping because there's an epidemic of chinamen moving to Japan and buying everything to scalp online to foreigners. Lock the console to Japanese language and the problem is eliminated.For real, Chinese are a fucking menace over there. GPUs, consoles, figures, happy meal toys, you name it. Japanese stores even refuse to serve Chinese customers outright, asking for proof of citizenship. Prices are comparatively low in Japan for many things compared to US and Europe due to weak yen.
>>736814342I'm not falling for your jewish tricks, shekelstein noseberg
>>736814059no saar
>>736812836They have the right lessons, actually, the PS6 Canis is meant to be the cheap affordable PS6 that can play PS1-PS3, PSP, and Vita games through native, not cloud, emulation along with PS4 and PS5 BC games while being able to natively play PS6 games. Sony, knew that continuing to put their games on PC would devalue the Canis. They also know that Jim Ryan's AAA movie/live-service model just isn't working and Sony needs to return to being Japanese led to bring back the PlayStation of old. This new era coming isn't going to be able killing one platform, it's going to be about having a stable niche.
>>736814483You already did, friend.
>>736813456>Microsoft apparently has begun an internal process of unfucking Windows>he believes Microsoft is capable of thisYou're being way too gullible for that company. I'm glad I'm choosing Nintendo, Sony, and Valve for my future gaming experiences over Microsoft.
>>736814571I'll believe it when it's not fanfiction
>>736814592Propose a better solution to slow cartridge storage, I'm waiting.
>>736799330I'll never support a Sony handheld after the fucking killed the Vita in NA like a year after release. It is thanks to the Vita that we got Gnosia and then later its AOTY adaptation. VITA MEANS LIFE!
>>736814858Oh, it's an elegant solution. One fit for Nintendo. It allows games to remain physical while allowing for the necessary performance modern games require. I've accepted that reality. That change is acceptable. I won't oppose it now that I understand there was no other way for Nintendo to continue to allow us to actually own our video games. That made the right choice.
>>736799330Idk there are many things going in favor and against Sony>Basically has no one to compete with it since Microsoft is out of the race and Nintendo does their own thing>makes more money than ever trough microtransactions alone (reason why they greenlit so many concord likes recently)>still has a decently sized rabid fanbase that will buy anything they shit outhowever>absolute abysmal exclusive lineup, even the few they actually are not that great>price increase on their console line up instead of a cheaper revision. Peripherals are also pretty expensive.>keeps killing their own studiosthe only reason sony is still relevant is because Microsoft fucked themselves up too many times for too long. I Bet the PS will just be Sony's switch without the joycons
>>736811874You really think companies will "target" the PS5 when NS2 has outsold it? Or somehow companies are gonna "target" PS6 when it's most likely gonna flop?
>>736815086Do you have more or less ownership by being able to sell a digital game you bought?
>>736815516I should more accurately say "freely sell, trade, or share"And in terms of sharing digital downloads only Steam has a more permissive system.You got influencerbrained.
>>736815516Do you have ownership if someone else can legitimately take away what you own?
>>736815483>Switch 2, PS6 Canis, and Steam Deck 2 will force optimizationFeels good
>>736815617Digital purchases can theoretically be taken away on any platform. Also you never answered my question and we both know why.
>>736815720I didn't answer it cause my question needs to be answered before your question. It precedes your question. And as you've correctly answered, you only own something as long as you have the power to own it. Which is to say you don't. None of us do. So, why does anyone care about ownership? They don't. They care about access and function.
>>736815153I don't care if Sony Japan kills their shitty western studios who haven't released anything worth getting for years. Sony west has been a cancer to the PlayStation since they took over.
>>736815873Put aside the reality of the cost of putting a $100 SSD in every cartridge. In the age of modern game development practices, of what real value is "true ownership" of the 1.0 version of a game?The "1.0" of New Vegas. The "1.0" of Baldur's Gate 3". The "1.0" of STALKER. We both know an infinite list of these. The only people who truly own their games are pirates and GOG customers. Anyone else is coping. That is reality. Steam is a lesser cope because it's been around the longest and isn't likely to go anywhere. Of ALL platforms however, Nintendo is the only one that puts no restrictions on what you do with digital games, and even digital downloads are relatively permissive, though in some ways Steam is better; it depends on your use-case.
>>736816236Continued: I contend that the day that day-one patches became commonplace is the day physical games died. There is no reason to buy physical games anymore. In a hypothetical future where there's a small partition left in the card to store updates and there's a format that isn't overly expensive - NOW you have a case to make. Today you're being a retard parroting other retards.
>>736816057Nobody cares about what you care about. The ps5 has been their most successful console gen ever after leaving Japan largely
>>736816236It's facinating to look at. More so on switch with no real way to download or select digital game versions. Take the bad persona 3 reload launch to what it is now. Unless you look at old footage or were there. You wouldn't know about it
>>736816491Not in game sales. Fortnite and sports niggers are keeping alive. It's telling that they the jap branch up top again
>>736816236>Put aside the reality of the cost of putting a $100 SSD in every cartridge. In the age of modern game development practices, of what real value is "true ownership" of the 1.0 version of a game?If "true ownership" of the 1.0 version of game doesn't matter, what does it matter that you possess the GKC of a game? It's resell value? But if you opened the case and played the game, you've already diminished the value of the game. It's best value as a physical item is to remained unopened. >The only people who truly own their games are pirates and GOG customers. Anyone else is coping. That is reality. Steam is a lesser cope because it's been around the longest and isn't likely to go anywhere. Of ALL platforms however, Nintendo is the only one that puts no restrictions on what you do with digital games, and even digital downloads are relatively permissive, though in some ways Steam is better; it depends on your use-case.I don't know anyone that is more protective of their IP than Nintendo. Not only do they not recognize your ownership, but they will use all their power to prevent you from achieving it if it is not in the manner they concede to. It is THEIR IP and they have the POWER to protect it. Besides, what do you care? Nintendo made a great video game for you and you enjoyed it. It should be worth full price admission and if you get no other monetary value out of it, you should be happy with it. That's what Nintendo would say.
>>736799330They might be onto something if it's pocket sized, Switch 2 level performance, and good battery life. But we're probably going to habe to settle for two sides of that triangle.
>>736816491Hardware sales yes, software sales have been a such a shitshow that Sony Japan is finally stepping in. Face facts, fake Snoy Xbot, the days of normalfags in gaming are numbered.
>>736811765>Sony is pulling away from PC ports so no more gaems for PC peepsI barely play my PS5, and the only game I bought from them on Steam is Helldivers 2. Sony's games are not that good. TLOU2 came out at around the same time as Animal Crossing and got mogged.
>>736816810>>736816604The ps5 and ps4 are both highly successful consoles and they barely sold anything in Japan. They had almost the exact same business model too.
>>736816909Are you a baby or a woman? Because nobody gives a fuck about animal crossing outside of babies and women? Stupid ass geek
>>736816939The Playstation also serves as a general-purpose media device. That's a big selling point for entertainment devices. It's also marketed as a luxury item, like a pro-model iPhone. So you get a compounding effect positing the Playstation not only as a console, but a higher-end mode of enjoying entertainment, to go along with your surround sound system and +80" TV.
>>736817072>Because nobody gives a fuck about animal crossing outside of babies and womeAnd nobody past the age of 20 cares about TLOU2 because they don't live to see 21>Stupid ass geekStupid ass tranny, you realize we're on 4chan, right?
>>736817171So great for profits then in areas outside of Japan>>736817208You don’t actually play animal crossing do you?
>Snoy having a melty because someone doesn't like TLOU2PTSD over Animal Crossing outselling TLOU2. TLOU2 will never be loved, Jew. It failed as a game. It failed as a story. It failed as a TV show. Even normies called it shit. Only pseuds and journos, who seethe at the sight of their own dicks, think TLOU is some sort of master class in storytelling. But it's not. It's dogshit, and it will forever be known as dogshit. Cope.
>>736817441You don’t actually play animal crossing do you?
>>736817371>You don’t actually play animal crossing do you?I don't. The only cozy game I played was Fantasy Life i on my Steam Deck because you can fight niggas. But whether or not I played Animal Crossing has nothing to do with the fact that Animal Crossing humiliated TLOU2 in that same year. Making it about me playing AC is a goalpost shift that doesn't address the point. Sony's IPs don't have the same draw as Nintendo's, so a Sony handheld will not have the same appeal as a Nintendo one.
>>736817639You don’t even like these so called popular Nintendo titles
>>736799330not while they are gutting pc ports because the playstation has no games. remember when sony pwned microsoft and let people share games? the magic is gone now.
>>736817570TLOU is faggotcore garbage lol AC is less gay than fucking last of us
>>736817694Coooope steamie. Your platform is just ass. Get over it. No Demons souls Remake btw
>>736816672Not sure what you're asking/stating in the first half but I'll try my best: A GKC is a digital license key the same as a digital download except you're free to do anything you want with it.I do not see how this is inferior in any way to 1) a digital download that's non-transferable, or 2) a game cartridge that only has the 1.0 version of a game, requiring a patch to not be a buggy mess. In both cases you need an Internet connection and a working Nintendo server to play the game. There is no real difference between a GKC and a "real" cartridge aside from the "real" one necessarily costing more. If you think there is, explain how, and please do it without repeating the influencer you got your opinion from.I don't own a Switch 2 and I have no intention to buy one, I just see retards repeating opinions they got from ragebait faggots and can't help myself.
>>736817072I put all my villager in a ghetto surrounded by a moat and barbed wire and I made a custom concentration camp uniform I gave to all of them as gifts. Show me another game that lets me do that.
>>736816909>I barely play my PS5, and the only game I bought from them on Steam is Helldivers 2.I have had my PS5 unplugged for months and I mainly use the Dualsense for playing modded JRPGs on Stream. That sums up this console generation quite nicely.
>>736817880you drone
>>736817681Ok, but that has nothing to do with the point that's being made.
>>736818057Reminds me of that post that floats around of a Redditor having Nazi uniforms left by a visitor to their island, haha
>>736817912>A GKC is a digital license key the same as a digital download except you're free to do anything you want with it.Except you're not. You're not allowed to use them to pirate Nintendo IP. You're not allowed to use them to choke someone to death. You're limited as to what you can or cannot do with it. >I do not see how this is inferior in any way to 1) a digital download that's non-transferable, or 2) a game cartridge that only has the 1.0 version of a game, requiring a patch to not be a buggy mess.>In both cases you need an Internet connection and a working Nintendo server to play the game. There is no real difference between a GKC and a "real" cartridge aside from the "real" one necessarily costing more. If you think there is, explain how, and please do it without repeating the influencer you got your opinion from.Then why have a GKC? Resell value? There's no inherent value in a GKC for anyone that wants actual ownership of a game. >I don't own a Switch 2 and I have no intention to buy one, I just see retards repeating opinions they got from ragebait faggots and can't help myself.Then argue with the retards.
>>736818462Yes, resale value dummy. That's literally the only reason I see anyone cite to buy physical today, that you can sell it or trade it. Just being able to sell or trade games was such a big deal in the leadup to xbone/ps4 that it probably decided the generation. Do you not remember or are you too young? If you're talking from the perspective of a "collectors" I'm not interested in that conversation. That is a mental illness, they might as well be collecting funkopops. Videogames are their surrogate wife and children and a replacement for a personality. "Collecting" is the lowest form of hobby.
>>736818785>Yes, resale value dummyThen that's not ownership. It's value. It's the same as renting. >If you're talking from the perspective of a "collectors" I'm not interested in that conversation. That is a mental illness, they might as well be collecting funkopops. Videogames are their surrogate wife and children and a replacement for a personality. "Collecting" is the lowest form of hobby.I'm speaking to you and what you're saying. If you're talking about regular Joe and Jane Gamer, and you're saying they like "physical" games cause they can resell them later for cash, then you're saying it doesn't matter what form the video game comes in as long as the VALUE is equal. Renting, streaming, Game Pass, etc. "Ownership" has no role anymore.
>>736816939That's their own fault for abandoning the market. Their western branch was retarded for following Microsoft's shitty Xbox model. Xbox's success was built on luck alone. Microsoft was always retarded. The Japanese knew this.
>>736819114You're being deliberately obtuse because you know I'm right.You have the option to own a GKC indefinitely or sell it or trade it. Maybe there's a game it turns out you really like and want to play again in the future, so you opt to keep it. Maybe you play it once, see a tranny flag, and never want to play it again. You don't know that until you've actually played the game, then you can make the decision what to do with it.This is distinct from a rental because the timespan is not limited. The ability to sell or trade it is an additive value, like how going to the pub has the automatic value of getting a beer but maybe you'll almost get your dick wet.For example, if I could buy a game on Steam for $50, or buy that same game on Steam for $60 but with the right to resell it or trade it when I'm done, I would buy the $60 version every time. I know I can certainly get that $10 back, probably more. It costs more but there is far more value compared to a game permanently locked to just my account.Your next argument will be that perhaps the servers will get shut down someday. Yes, without a doubt. But this will make the "real" cartridges worthless as well because they don't have the day-one patch or any of the following patches that unfuck the game. You can play"a version" of the game, so it's not totally devoid of ALL value, and like a GKC you can freely sell or trade it, but the cartridge itself will not be a good way to play the game. You will be better off with a fully-patched digital copy than an unpatched physical copy if you actually want to play the game. And since that is the case, you're better off with a Steam copy or ideally a GOG/pirated copy. All else is cope.
>Skim thread>Another tendie safe space where they hallucinate Sony's death for the umpteenth time since 2007>PS5 closing in on 100 million consoles soldWhy do you retards do this to yourselves.
>>736799330I don't know, they certainly don't have the competence to get me excited. This is because "modern" Sony is incapable of making good and exciting video games (I say modern, but it's been going one for over 10 years). Given that Sony is incapable of making games that I want to play, there is nothing they could do to their console to make me buy one. I will not buy a DRM box to play multiplats that I can play on my PC anyway, but with less control.I have a PS3, I bought it back in the day and I do not regret it. When the PS4 came out, I was planning to buy one once it had enough cool games to be worth it. That never happened, though there are a couple like those Gravity Rush titles. Suffice to say that the PS5 is not doing any better in the games department.It's difficult to overstate how hard Sony lost me as a PS customer, or how much I utterly despise the gay & lame abomination PS has become.
>>736819831>You're being deliberately obtuse because you know I'm right.Oh, the irony. You call me obtuse, yet you continue to argue with the ragebait opinions retards instead of the ones I'm introducing. >You have the option to own a GKC indefinitely or sell it or trade it. Maybe there's a game it turns out you really like and want to play again in the future, so you opt to keep it. Maybe you play it once, see a tranny flag, and never want to play it again. You don't know that until you've actually played the game, then you can make the decision what to do with it.That's not ownership. Why would you own a video game with a tranny flag in it? Well, according to you, once you buy it, you own it. But then you un-own it. By selling it. So, you only "owned" it temporarily. Kind of like renting. >This is distinct from a rental because the timespan is not limited. The ability to sell or trade it is an additive value, like how going to the pub has the automatic value of getting a beer but maybe you'll almost get your dick wet.No, in the example you presented, the game had a tranny flag in it. You don't want to play it again. So, you sell it. In effect, you rented it. However, had you bought the game with the tranny flag in it and kept it forever (which you can't do because of the inevitable heat death of the universe), you still wouldn't "own" it. You would, as you say, have an "additive value". Hmmm..."additive...VALUE". Isn't that what I was talking about? That's not ownership. Because once you sell it, you stop "owning" it. "Ownership" was just temporary. Like renting. So, the deliberation someone has between "renting" and "owning" is just a matter of value. If you can own a GKC game for $100 or rent the same game for $1 per year, which is a better option? inb4 it's not realistic. You don't own a NSW2 or plan to get one. This is entirely abstract to you, so let's work in the abstract. Part 1/2
>>736801165WTF are you talking about? The "AI hardware" is just some bits which are already integrated into literally the same die as the rest of the GPU, which already "talks to" the CPU.I swear consolefags operate entirely on the darkest retard tier of magical thinking, is this going to be like the magical PS5 SSD once again, when the consolefag who had just recently crawled out of the gutters finally learned about something everyone else had already been using for over a decade?
>>736819831>For example, if I could buy a game on Steam for $50, or buy that same game on Steam for $60 but with the right to resell it or trade it when I'm done, I would buy the $60 version every time. I know I can certainly get that $10 back, probably more. It costs more but there is far more value compared to a game permanently locked to just my account.Yes, the "value". Not the ownership. Let's change up the example. If you could buy the Steam game for $1 or buy the same game on Steam for $60 with the right to resell it or trade it when you're done, would you still buy the $60 version? >Your next argument will be that perhaps the servers will get shut down someday. Yes, without a doubt. But this will make the "real" cartridges worthless as well because they don't have the day-one patch or any of the following patches that unfuck the game. You can play"a version" of the game, so it's not totally devoid of ALL value, and like a GKC you can freely sell or trade it, but the cartridge itself will not be a good way to play the game. You will be better off with a fully-patched digital copy than an unpatched physical copy if you actually want to play the game. And since that is the case, you're better off with a Steam copy or ideally a GOG/pirated copy. All else is cope.Are you even arguing in favor of ownership anymore? It sounds like you're arguing that people may as well just buy digitally. The only advantage GKC have is resell value. That's not "ownership". That's "value". I would call it renting. Because, if you buy a GKC game and then resell it later, you only "owned" it temporarily. You "rented" it. For example, if you "owned" a GKC game and its resell was $0. Literally, $0. Would you still want to "own" it? According to you, the only "value" ownership of a physical game offers is the ability to "resell" it. But if the resell value is $0, then you don't actually own a GKC game, because it effectively cannot be resold. 2/2
Literally Sony needs to do is make a PSP2 and they will succeed but they will never do that because the PSVITA failed and the takeaway was that no one wanted handhelds and not that they needed to make games for handhelds instead of ports
>>736819831>You have the option to own a GKC indefinitelyYou have the option to own the piece of plastic indefinitely, but you do not have the option to own the game indefinitely because said game does not exist on the plastic you bought, it exists on some server which Nintendo can shut down at any point (or decide to cut your access for whatever reason).
>>736799330Why would anyone get excited about the portable version of this? Every single thing they bitched about the Switch is going to be worse. It's not going to be a PS6 except on the go.
i think this will do about as well as the AMD xbox handheld
>>736823507Your AMD Xbox handheld will be a shitty OEM like ROG Xbox Ally.
